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The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes and does not try to
make you a substitute, diagnostic adviceor medical treatment for any kind. Therefore,
please always consult your doctor or otherqualified health care professional if you have
any questions about your state of healthor how to treat your addiction. Welcome.
(00:27):
Welcome once again, my name isin Gregor and Chiña. Just as
I always welcome you to a newepisode. Episode number one hundred and seventy
- one good- bye addiction,which is being recorded on Tuesday an atypical
Tuesday twenty- three April of theyear two thousand twenty- four. Well,
what am I gonna talk about today, because I' m gonna be
(00:50):
bringing you an interview email. Let' s say it that way. I
' ll tell you a little moreabout what this is about. Also standing
on the last questions or answers Ileft in the episode number one hundred and
seventy in Spotify. Then I'm going to be talking about it,
(01:11):
too, and I' m goingto be talking about it again, if,
in any case, you' reinterested in staying until the end.
I' m also going to becommenting on the update on why I haven
' t published in the last fewweeks and what the podcast seems to be
waiting for. Well, I wantto welcome you as usual. You know
you can get in touch with mein the media that I traditionally publish.
(01:34):
You know I' m there,in case you want to send a greeting
or just know how to let meknow you' re obviously there. Well,
let' s start with the idea. It' s thanks to Tatiana,
who sent me this email about amonth ago, probably for some or
others among the interviews that happened atthe end, or I couldn' t
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answer anymore, or share it lookup there a little bit. I'
m a little unhooked, after almostthree weeks or four of not publishing,
but I owe this to Tatiana andthe truth that in part that' s
why I' m recording today,because I thank very much, as always,
the people who contact me and alsowho are willing to participate or have
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always been willing to participate. Thatis why then I give myself to the
task today of sharing with you whatshe returned to me. Remember that I
have said in many episodes that ifyou wanted to participate in the event that
it was not an audio interview,that you would send me an email,
to which I would return the questionsthat I regularly ask to the people who
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participate and will also be able toanswer and share them. So Tatiana has
lent herself to it, so I' ll start with the ten questions she
' s asking her. I won' t interrupt anymore. Then I'
ll tell you about some points thathave caught my attention. Then we started
where you live, how old youare, what you do, Tatiana called
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me. I' m forty-four years old and I' m an
alicante in Spain. What addiction oraddictions and why those. She responds to
alcoholism. How it started has alreadyevolved the problem. From a young age
I saw that I didn' tfinish setting the limits and I always ended
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up drunker than I wanted. He' s been getting worse over the years
until he told my family doctor andhe took me to an u c which
means addictive behavior unit. What problemshas created you and how it has affected
your life, Depressiones, loss ofpartners, much sadness and pain, the
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suffering of my parents, who donot deserve it. When you hit bottom,
funds, if it was more thanonce. Now. Yeah, I
hit bottom. I doubled two yearsago, but apparently I didn' t
finish accepting that I suffered from thisdisease, because I drank again until yesterday.
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What you tried or tried to overcomehypnosis specialist psychologists and finally, double
what your life is like today,especially after having overcome or being struggling with
your addiction, I fall back constantly, I drink more and more and I
start to feel like in the morninghow you face the present and what the
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future holds for you. I neednot to need the drink, forget it
exists and live without this vacuum thatconsumes me. What would you say or
what advice you would give yourself ifyou could go back to the past.
Pay attention to your non- controlwith the drink and get away from it
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because maybe someday you can' ttell and help other alcoholics. You have
some recommendation, or advice for otherswho are going through your same problem,
that they go twice as fast aspossible because it says that life itself is
wonderful, that they obey the programand put it into practice as soon as
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possible. Thanks for your podcast,Gregory, looking for information on alcoholism in
Evox. I found you a fewyears ago, like my double band,
listening to audios, I understood thatit was a disease and thanks to the
testimonies, I have spent nights onthe lookout that made me more bearable so
as not to feel the guilt.Keep listening to you and please don'
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t let the podcast do a tremendousjob. Thank you very much, e,
Tatiana, for sharing me and givingother people the opportunity to also listen
to the experiences you have had.I' ve said it a lot on
so many occasions that sometimes you don' t know when we can change life
for someone who doesn' t matterthat, maybe we at present, today,
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at the moment that you' relistening to today' s audio,
you' re probably lifting your drinkor tea, you' re probably getting
over the last drunkenness. It doesn' t matter that right now you'
re fighting as long as you wantto keep moving along that path to recovery,
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to controlling your addiction, to puttinga distance between one and the other.
It doesn' t matter what you' re trying. Probably someone can
benefit, as in this case.Tatiana comments hypnosis, psychologists, specialists and
finally double to. We understand wehave a problem. The depressions, the
loss of partners, sometimes, theloss of money, the loss of work,
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always accompanied by sadness and pain,but also much more importantly, even
good at best, not that ourown pain is the suffering of the people
that we also do for our attitude. Also suffering, as in this example
Tatiana her parents, she well recognizesthat they do not deserve it. Tatiana,
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forty- four years old, livingin Alicante in Spain, is a
case more like anyone who is currentlylistening, No matter where you are,
in which part of the world youare, how old you have your profession.
Whatever this is, we' llalways suffer the same. That depression,
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that anxiety, that desire to wantto change, but not being able
to try to fight with all ourdesire to be the one that might be
the exception to the rule is thatalcoholic who will surely one day rise cured,
who will finally be able to controlhis way of duty and who will
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never have to lose control again.We are always looking for that day to
come forever. Then we bump intoa wall when we realize that that day
will never come, if we don' t put the work, the work
behind it, right. But anyway, again. Thank you very much,
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Tatiana, for giving me the opportunitythen to share this information. I hope
to this day you find yourself betterstruggling. I know that, as I
said at the beginning, this message, this email, you gave it to
me up to about four weeks Ihope you' re still in that fight
that if you still find yourself puttingonly hours or minutes, it doesn'
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t matter. We must continue tolearn from our own experiences, which will
surely lead you to the good port, sooner or later, as long as
I insist, let us continue toinsist, as we say in Mexico.
Good for the last question I leftout in episode number six hundred and seventy,
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which is called the anonymous alcoholic numberthree, where I shared with you
the story of the anonymous alcoholic numberthree of the person who was added to
anonymous alcoholics. The third in questionshared with you what came in the book
what comes in the Book of Alcoholicor Anonymous, which I recommend. I
recommend you download it in audio.In fact, I downloaded it in audio,
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you download it in a pdf,you download it on any device you
want. I recommend it because ithas very valuable things. There are people
who do not know within whom Iconsidered myself until a few months ago,
probably even because it is already abook that has a few years. You
already think one that doesn' tapply anymore. But the truth is you
' re surprised when you start readingit and you realize it doesn' t
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matter. It doesn' t matterthat you' ve been written many times
those shared there in that book aboutninety years ago. It doesn' t
really matter that much Eighty between eightyand ninety years. It doesn' t
matter, because we human beings follow, we continue with the same attitudes.
Between my point of view, itdoesn' t come out, but well
you' d like to hear morecontent from the double book A. That
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was the question I asked in thatepisode number one hundred and seventy thirteen votes.
Ten said yes and three said no. If it had been by the
majority, he probably wouldn' thave doubted me a little bit more,
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probably or at least, to takeit into consideration for perhaps, to make
a mixture, a little less chargedto one or the other, because it
is always important to know. Whatmatters to me here is to be able
to bring content that you like andthat motivates you to arts in the end,
because you find some value. Nodoubt you hear the comments that are
left and if you did not heedthe polls that I put then why would
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you put them then in this case, as most say yes. Well,
in future episodes we' ll betalking about it. Also the question I
left was what do you think aboutbooks by anonymous alcoholics. It' s
not the first time I' veever opened up a boxbook name. This
is the first time I' veread a complete passage. That' s
the number three alcoholic, and that' s why I thought I' d
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leave that question. I had fouranswers. Joel ortiz or a thousand nine
hundred and eighty- eight says muchdescribes the behavior that alcoholics do. No
doubt, as I tell you,it doesn' t matter that if that
has been in a thousand nine hundredand twenty we continue to do what caught
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my attention from some other parts Iheard. In this case I' m
not reading it anymore and I'm listening to it from mixing alcohol with
milk look. If you' reinterested in the truth, download the book.
I insist that someone talk to you. That' s a very interesting
story. The one who knows eachother. Well, bruno, d one,
one, one, four, sowhat did you vote for? The
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user man says bruno. It's a brilliant tool. It gives a
sense to the fight to quit alcohol. I don' t rule out reading
the truth one day, Bruno,I highly recommend it. I have the
possibility to download it in audio inan application that is called audible. It
is 100% in Spanish, althoughfor personal reasons it is downloaded in English.
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But it' s 100% inSpanish, I don' t know
if it' s in Latin AmericanSpanish, I' m sorry, I
don' t know if Spanish comesfrom Spain. There' s probably the
truth out there. But I highlyrecommend it. It' s about sixteen
hours, but look at maybe.You even go on a walk, you
go exercise, if you have tomaybe, go in traffic, go to
your job, etcetera. The truthis that in several days, in a
little week maybe, you' vefinished it from start to finish and the
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truth is not wasted. I recommendeveryone who listens right now. Elisa Isabel
gill Jiménez told us the following isnot the solution for everyone, but yes,
help someone will be another method.But if it helps someone, it
' ll be one more method.All help is little for this disease,
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it certainly has many occasions. We' ve already talked about it. It
doesn' t matter what tools youuse, so I' ll give you
a jingle, so you go tothe psychologist, so you get hypnosis,
as Tatiana said, etcetera, etcetera. It doesn' t matter as long
as you stay in the struggle andexperiences. After all, although the part
there is not a fundamental part ofthe book that practically a general text.
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Let' s say it that way, but then people' s experiences come.
If you like what is shared hereby people who come to record their
speech, you' re practically havingthe same thing in that book. You
' re having a very large amountof stories where you can probably see yourself
reflected. After all, it's not the cure. By the way,
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from my point of view, it' s just giving you the understanding
of keeping you company. From mypoint of view, no matter how much
you read it, how much dissectionsare human behaviors and so are you,
then it is learning from the experienceof others to realize that, just like
you, they went through it andthat the solution for them was to make
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homes anonymous alcoholics. In the end, it is the message, from my
point of view, that you wantto leave then it is one more tool
in that toolbox that we should allhave and to lay hands on whenever it
is necessary. Jessica, Jessica Rincónsays I read up to step three and
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I find it key to be awarethat we can' t alone with this
addiction, because our will has beenpowerless before it and to recognize what our
supreme power is Notice that without beingand an expert. And it is precisely
on occasions that we get to thosepoints, when we begin to read what
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even the steps that explain it toyou consist of. It is clear,
from my point of view, thatsimple fact of having it for maybe,
aligning ideas with someone else who goesor who is or belongs to an anonymous
alcoholic group. I understand that itis nothing more to read it than to
put it into practice. And sometimes, to put it into practice, you
have to follow people who have putit into practice more than you, who
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have that experience that can probably guideyou in that understanding, so reading it
is a parent. They make thingsvery clear to you from the point of
view, that you can understand it, that you don' t need anyone
to explain it to you, butthere are some other things that are very
important from my point of view,that you just learn them, you just
understand them. When you can sharethem with others. Then a good step
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is to buy or read the book. But I think the most important step
would be to approach a group ofalcoholics or anonymous people where they can guide
you. And I understand those threelittle people who said no maybe, don
' t talk about the anonymous alcoholicbook or who probably don' t talk
about alcoholic in general are us.I understand that there' s probably some
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frustration or ignorance I completely understand,but the truth is, if you haven
' t given him the opportunity foranonymous alcoholics, if you have a wrong
idea, I suggest you go andget a chance to say it in a
group. It didn' t gowell, it wasn' t what you
thought you were still looking for.I' m sure you can find something
for yourself. Well, let's move on to the final part.
What do you think I possibly hopeand not, but maybe it' s
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going to take most of the time, because there are several things to explain,
especially if you' ve been herebefore what I tell you, it
will make more sense if you're new to the best or make absolutely
no sense to you. The contentcontent of the message today has already arrived
at this time I will start makingmy confessions. Let' s say that
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sometimes I come and tell you Ihaven' t published or I haven'
t published for the last three weeksand I divide the truth, for lack
of motivation, I can' tleave it or say it in a more
direct way. I was telling himto take yesterday or dantier that in this
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case, sometimes we have bumps,not that we have spikes, we have
bumps. Sometimes we get depressed.Sometimes we want to isolate ourselves, to
turn away from what happens to usor from what is around us. And
in that case, it' snot necessarily that for me. I am
very, very motivated to the pointalmost of the obsession that I no longer
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had a while ago with making manychanges in my life nor am I carrying
them out, but to be sohappy making those changes, the truth that
drives me away, but in away that doesn' t necessarily cost me
to get away from what it isto come and record and share in the
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podcast. Sometimes I have left thepodcast for a few seasons because I lack
the motivation from the point of view, in a negative way or, at
least, of what I consider tobe a negative way, either because I
have a very strong relapse because,perhaps, someone left some comment that moved
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my mat and said ah no morewhat I do it for, so I
share it, they call me andtell me this way. Or because I
don' t understand the mess atall. Or because, maybe I don
' t have communication with anyone whodoesn' t make me feel it'
s worth coming and, maybe,occupying a time that I might be occupying
in something else. Isn' tthat the case? This is not the
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case at present. The point is, I' m so comfortable doing other
things that I really want to dealwith differently. And the podcast, although
it brings me satisfaction on different levels, not just coming and sharing and learning,
obviously, about addiction, even thetechnical part, which is recording and
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occupying the microphones and occupying my computer, etc, recording and editing and publishing
and watching the downloads, etc.That brings me satisfaction too. But the
truth that at this moment my planswith photography are being put to the background
by those who have been battling them, is even more ripening. In the
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process of maturation. Right now I' m going back to a certain lifestyle
that you were a few years oldthat was running, subscribing to me,
or signing up for races like theones that just happened this weekend. I
had a bit of a pain inmy legs, but I had the opportunity
to participate with more than forty zeropeople in a ten- kilometer race that,
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of course, far from winning,but nevertheless very happy to have ended.
And that really keeps me quite motivated. Currently the podcast has been a
companion, a companion that I needto take that first step at times in
order to maintain that relationship with thepodcast. It' s a little complicated
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sometimes because it takes time, itrequires being overwhelming the idea, sometimes even
ending a bit annoying good heja,because maybe it didn' t go as
I wanted or maybe. He didn' t have the answer I wanted.
There has always been that way togo, to keep kneading a product that
I always try to deliver to youin the best way, but today I
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insist in a very different way towhat has happened before. I am very
excited and motivated to do other things. Therefore, and without wanting to comment
on any mistakes, as I havealready done before, then I say goodbye
and read back as a dog withthe tail between the ducks. I'
m just saying that still being here, that there will be episodes, I
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don' t know when they're going to be published. I hope
you' ll give me a chanceto keep in touch with you. I
also told Tamara that she is theonly one you see asks for explanations,
as she says, that maybe asif, as always, I say not
the first time here I am notgoing to tell lies to anyone has happened
to me before that I go outvery motivated to do something else, not
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like today, not what I amliving today, but other things to try
to live that non- alcoholic life, to say, I will enjoy the
best of summer and I will tryto control my alcohol consumption. And hopefully,
nothing will happen And when I realizedthat I' m going back to
the starting point or even a littlefurther back, I' m coming to
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say. Oh you know the motivationhas come to me again, but it
has come to me from suffering beyondjoy. I hope that' s not
the case. I hope, ifat any time I come and the episodes
I publish are true, because Iam very happy to want to be with
you, that I have something niceto tell you that I learned that I
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can' t stand the urge andshare it with you as well. So,
hopefully that' s the case inthe next few episodes that come to
be published. I' ve thought, in fact, I' ve already
prepared it, which is the mostcurious thing an episode. It seemed to
me that the stars have lined up, that it is completely from Dr Gabor
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Mate that you are strong again havingbeen with participation in the course that he
has online, came to me adocument where he explains with luxury of details
and synthesized very directly what in hisbook of that actually says so that I
will be saving you the reading ofa book or to take the course to
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a certain point, which I hadplanned to divide in even two episodes,
probably up to three episodes. I' ve got that information ready and it
' s waiting. For me Ijust want to be in the mental capacity,
in the emotional ability to come andtalk to you as you should,
as you should, not just tocome and check that I already came,
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already, I recorded it, Ialready published, I can feel good about
myself and others I wish and understand. The truth is, it' s
not like that. I want tobe mentally convinced that I want to come
and talk to you. The truthtoo, by the way, is not
that I didn' t say itand some other ways, but I certainly
(24:07):
get Dr Gabormate from my idol youknow it comes out good. We are
then with the update. Have alittle patience. You can keep getting in
touch with me. However, thecreactronic is the same paid. You'
re not to know, but ifI' m confessing everything to you,
then be paid back for two moreyears. The domain of goodbye addiction com
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then, while that domain still exists, because I can, can or can
not, I can not, Ican continue to receive emails to Gregory arroba
a god addiction com te address willaddress you, if you go to that
page. It will address you tothe service I use to host the episodes.
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In case, in case, youwant them to go down, download,
share what you want to do,you know you find it also on
Spotify platforms, on Apple Podcast platforms, on the eBox platform. Like Tatiana,
he found me and in many works. There' s the episodes and
look at six years of company.The truth. I think it has generated
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a quantity of content that sometimes wejust vary it a little bit from one
to the other, but it isalways good to know the experiences of others.
If you' re in a positionto want to share something, you
know the invitation the door is alwaysopen. I know I' ve got
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Eddis pending No, Edison, no, I' m sorry, I have
Hernando' s forgiveness. Greetings,Fernando. I got your last e-
mail. We made an attempt torecord. It couldn' t be done
at the time, but I'm sure in the future it' ll
be worth it. I think wecan do it as long as we'
re still here. I will staya few things for myself to this day
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I do not want to say withoutbeing to everything that is surrounding me today.
What I want to say to youis that things are fine, that
I am still in my struggle,that I am still in my understanding,
that I continue to understand the wayobsession develops in me, how certain attitudes
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develop that lead me to consumption.I think I' ve been very transparent.
With you then to come and tellyou bad things. I' d
rather leave you at that moment withsome things, out there that stay to
the imagination. But at the endof the day, everything' s fine.
Here I will continue, we willremain in contact and I am sure
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that soon we will have the episodenumber one hundred and seventy- two and
one hundred and seventy- three ofaddiction goodbye. Well, that' s
it. Then I say goodbye todayI remind you goodbye addiction com and I
also remind you that there is alwayssomeone who loves you. There' s
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always someone who wants to see youget over your addiction. Don' t
turn your back on them, talkto them head- on and ask them
to help you would be surprised tosee how many people are ready, won,
willing to give you that hand thatmuch not that much you need.
Remember that if you' re theperson who can help someone else, please
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do it, because you don't know when you can change someone'
s life don' t keep thatknowledge for yourself, for yourself alone.
Give someone else a chance. Giveyour hand to someone else and you'
re gonna see that you' regonna feel pretty good about being able to
do it. Okay. My nameis a Gregory Chiñas whom we hear in
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the next episode goodbye addiction until thenext
The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes and does not try to
make you a substitute, diagnostic adviceor medical treatment for any kind. Therefore,
please always consult your doctor or otherqualified health care professional if you have
any questions about your state of healthor how to treat your addiction. Welcome.
(00:27):
Welcome once again, my name isin Gregor and Chiña. Just as
I always welcome you to a newepisode. Episode number one hundred and seventy
- one good- bye addiction,which is being recorded on Tuesday an atypical
Tuesday twenty- three April of theyear two thousand twenty- four. Well,
what am I gonna talk about today, because I' m gonna be
(00:50):
bringing you an interview email. Let' s say it that way. I
' ll tell you a little moreabout what this is about. Also standing
on the last questions or answers Ileft in the episode number one hundred and
seventy in Spotify. Then I'm going to be talking about it,
(01:11):
too, and I' m goingto be talking about it again, if,
in any case, you' reinterested in staying until the end.
I' m also going to becommenting on the update on why I haven
' t published in the last fewweeks and what the podcast seems to be
waiting for. Well, I wantto welcome you as usual. You know
you can get in touch with mein the media that I traditionally publish.
(01:34):
You know I' m there,in case you want to send a greeting
or just know how to let meknow you' re obviously there. Well,
let' s start with the idea. It' s thanks to Tatiana,
who sent me this email about amonth ago, probably for some or
others among the interviews that happened atthe end, or I couldn' t
(01:57):
answer anymore, or share it lookup there a little bit. I'
m a little unhooked, after almostthree weeks or four of not publishing,
but I owe this to Tatiana andthe truth that in part that' s
why I' m recording today,because I thank very much, as always,
the people who contact me and alsowho are willing to participate or have
(02:20):
always been willing to participate. Thatis why then I give myself to the
task today of sharing with you whatshe returned to me. Remember that I
have said in many episodes that ifyou wanted to participate in the event that
it was not an audio interview,that you would send me an email,
to which I would return the questionsthat I regularly ask to the people who
(02:45):
participate and will also be able toanswer and share them. So Tatiana has
lent herself to it, so I' ll start with the ten questions she
' s asking her. I won' t interrupt anymore. Then I'
ll tell you about some points thathave caught my attention. Then we started
where you live, how old youare, what you do, Tatiana called
(03:06):
me. I' m forty-four years old and I' m an
alicante in Spain. What addiction oraddictions and why those. She responds to
alcoholism. How it started has alreadyevolved the problem. From a young age
I saw that I didn' tfinish setting the limits and I always ended
(03:28):
up drunker than I wanted. He' s been getting worse over the years
until he told my family doctor andhe took me to an u c which
means addictive behavior unit. What problemshas created you and how it has affected
your life, Depressiones, loss ofpartners, much sadness and pain, the
(03:52):
suffering of my parents, who donot deserve it. When you hit bottom,
funds, if it was more thanonce. Now. Yeah, I
hit bottom. I doubled two yearsago, but apparently I didn' t
finish accepting that I suffered from thisdisease, because I drank again until yesterday.
(04:13):
What you tried or tried to overcomehypnosis specialist psychologists and finally, double
what your life is like today,especially after having overcome or being struggling with
your addiction, I fall back constantly, I drink more and more and I
start to feel like in the morninghow you face the present and what the
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future holds for you. I neednot to need the drink, forget it
exists and live without this vacuum thatconsumes me. What would you say or
what advice you would give yourself ifyou could go back to the past.
Pay attention to your non- controlwith the drink and get away from it
(05:01):
because maybe someday you can' ttell and help other alcoholics. You have
some recommendation, or advice for otherswho are going through your same problem,
that they go twice as fast aspossible because it says that life itself is
wonderful, that they obey the programand put it into practice as soon as
(05:24):
possible. Thanks for your podcast,Gregory, looking for information on alcoholism in
Evox. I found you a fewyears ago, like my double band,
listening to audios, I understood thatit was a disease and thanks to the
testimonies, I have spent nights onthe lookout that made me more bearable so
as not to feel the guilt.Keep listening to you and please don'
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t let the podcast do a tremendousjob. Thank you very much, e,
Tatiana, for sharing me and givingother people the opportunity to also listen
to the experiences you have had.I' ve said it a lot on
so many occasions that sometimes you don' t know when we can change life
for someone who doesn' t matterthat, maybe we at present, today,
(06:08):
at the moment that you' relistening to today' s audio,
you' re probably lifting your drinkor tea, you' re probably getting
over the last drunkenness. It doesn' t matter that right now you'
re fighting as long as you wantto keep moving along that path to recovery,
(06:29):
to controlling your addiction, to puttinga distance between one and the other.
It doesn' t matter what you' re trying. Probably someone can
benefit, as in this case.Tatiana comments hypnosis, psychologists, specialists and
finally double to. We understand wehave a problem. The depressions, the
loss of partners, sometimes, theloss of money, the loss of work,
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always accompanied by sadness and pain,but also much more importantly, even
good at best, not that ourown pain is the suffering of the people
that we also do for our attitude. Also suffering, as in this example
Tatiana her parents, she well recognizesthat they do not deserve it. Tatiana,
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forty- four years old, livingin Alicante in Spain, is a
case more like anyone who is currentlylistening, No matter where you are,
in which part of the world youare, how old you have your profession.
Whatever this is, we' llalways suffer the same. That depression,
(07:41):
that anxiety, that desire to wantto change, but not being able
to try to fight with all ourdesire to be the one that might be
the exception to the rule is thatalcoholic who will surely one day rise cured,
who will finally be able to controlhis way of duty and who will
(08:01):
never have to lose control again.We are always looking for that day to
come forever. Then we bump intoa wall when we realize that that day
will never come, if we don' t put the work, the work
behind it, right. But anyway, again. Thank you very much,
(08:22):
Tatiana, for giving me the opportunitythen to share this information. I hope
to this day you find yourself betterstruggling. I know that, as I
said at the beginning, this message, this email, you gave it to
me up to about four weeks Ihope you' re still in that fight
that if you still find yourself puttingonly hours or minutes, it doesn'
(08:43):
t matter. We must continue tolearn from our own experiences, which will
surely lead you to the good port, sooner or later, as long as
I insist, let us continue toinsist, as we say in Mexico.
Good for the last question I leftout in episode number six hundred and seventy,
(09:05):
which is called the anonymous alcoholic numberthree, where I shared with you
the story of the anonymous alcoholic numberthree of the person who was added to
anonymous alcoholics. The third in questionshared with you what came in the book
what comes in the Book of Alcoholicor Anonymous, which I recommend. I
recommend you download it in audio.In fact, I downloaded it in audio,
(09:28):
you download it in a pdf,you download it on any device you
want. I recommend it because ithas very valuable things. There are people
who do not know within whom Iconsidered myself until a few months ago,
probably even because it is already abook that has a few years. You
already think one that doesn' tapply anymore. But the truth is you
' re surprised when you start readingit and you realize it doesn' t
(09:50):
matter. It doesn' t matterthat you' ve been written many times
those shared there in that book aboutninety years ago. It doesn' t
really matter that much Eighty between eightyand ninety years. It doesn' t
matter, because we human beings follow, we continue with the same attitudes.
Between my point of view, itdoesn' t come out, but well
you' d like to hear morecontent from the double book A. That
(10:11):
was the question I asked in thatepisode number one hundred and seventy thirteen votes.
Ten said yes and three said no. If it had been by the
majority, he probably wouldn' thave doubted me a little bit more,
(10:33):
probably or at least, to takeit into consideration for perhaps, to make
a mixture, a little less chargedto one or the other, because it
is always important to know. Whatmatters to me here is to be able
to bring content that you like andthat motivates you to arts in the end,
because you find some value. Nodoubt you hear the comments that are
left and if you did not heedthe polls that I put then why would
(10:56):
you put them then in this case, as most say yes. Well,
in future episodes we' ll betalking about it. Also the question I
left was what do you think aboutbooks by anonymous alcoholics. It' s
not the first time I' veever opened up a boxbook name. This
is the first time I' veread a complete passage. That' s
the number three alcoholic, and that' s why I thought I' d
(11:20):
leave that question. I had fouranswers. Joel ortiz or a thousand nine
hundred and eighty- eight says muchdescribes the behavior that alcoholics do. No
doubt, as I tell you,it doesn' t matter that if that
has been in a thousand nine hundredand twenty we continue to do what caught
(11:41):
my attention from some other parts Iheard. In this case I' m
not reading it anymore and I'm listening to it from mixing alcohol with
milk look. If you' reinterested in the truth, download the book.
I insist that someone talk to you. That' s a very interesting
story. The one who knows eachother. Well, bruno, d one,
one, one, four, sowhat did you vote for? The
(12:03):
user man says bruno. It's a brilliant tool. It gives a
sense to the fight to quit alcohol. I don' t rule out reading
the truth one day, Bruno,I highly recommend it. I have the
possibility to download it in audio inan application that is called audible. It
is 100% in Spanish, althoughfor personal reasons it is downloaded in English.
(12:28):
But it' s 100% inSpanish, I don' t know
if it' s in Latin AmericanSpanish, I' m sorry, I
don' t know if Spanish comesfrom Spain. There' s probably the
truth out there. But I highlyrecommend it. It' s about sixteen
hours, but look at maybe.You even go on a walk, you
go exercise, if you have tomaybe, go in traffic, go to
your job, etcetera. The truthis that in several days, in a
little week maybe, you' vefinished it from start to finish and the
(12:52):
truth is not wasted. I recommendeveryone who listens right now. Elisa Isabel
gill Jiménez told us the following isnot the solution for everyone, but yes,
help someone will be another method.But if it helps someone, it
' ll be one more method.All help is little for this disease,
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it certainly has many occasions. We' ve already talked about it. It
doesn' t matter what tools youuse, so I' ll give you
a jingle, so you go tothe psychologist, so you get hypnosis,
as Tatiana said, etcetera, etcetera. It doesn' t matter as long
as you stay in the struggle andexperiences. After all, although the part
there is not a fundamental part ofthe book that practically a general text.
(13:41):
Let' s say it that way, but then people' s experiences come.
If you like what is shared hereby people who come to record their
speech, you' re practically havingthe same thing in that book. You
' re having a very large amountof stories where you can probably see yourself
reflected. After all, it's not the cure. By the way,
(14:01):
from my point of view, it' s just giving you the understanding
of keeping you company. From mypoint of view, no matter how much
you read it, how much dissectionsare human behaviors and so are you,
then it is learning from the experienceof others to realize that, just like
you, they went through it andthat the solution for them was to make
(14:24):
homes anonymous alcoholics. In the end, it is the message, from my
point of view, that you wantto leave then it is one more tool
in that toolbox that we should allhave and to lay hands on whenever it
is necessary. Jessica, Jessica Rincónsays I read up to step three and
(14:46):
I find it key to be awarethat we can' t alone with this
addiction, because our will has beenpowerless before it and to recognize what our
supreme power is Notice that without beingand an expert. And it is precisely
on occasions that we get to thosepoints, when we begin to read what
(15:09):
even the steps that explain it toyou consist of. It is clear,
from my point of view, thatsimple fact of having it for maybe,
aligning ideas with someone else who goesor who is or belongs to an anonymous
alcoholic group. I understand that itis nothing more to read it than to
put it into practice. And sometimes, to put it into practice, you
have to follow people who have putit into practice more than you, who
(15:33):
have that experience that can probably guideyou in that understanding, so reading it
is a parent. They make thingsvery clear to you from the point of
view, that you can understand it, that you don' t need anyone
to explain it to you, butthere are some other things that are very
important from my point of view,that you just learn them, you just
understand them. When you can sharethem with others. Then a good step
(15:58):
is to buy or read the book. But I think the most important step
would be to approach a group ofalcoholics or anonymous people where they can guide
you. And I understand those threelittle people who said no maybe, don
' t talk about the anonymous alcoholicbook or who probably don' t talk
about alcoholic in general are us.I understand that there' s probably some
(16:21):
frustration or ignorance I completely understand,but the truth is, if you haven
' t given him the opportunity foranonymous alcoholics, if you have a wrong
idea, I suggest you go andget a chance to say it in a
group. It didn' t gowell, it wasn' t what you
thought you were still looking for.I' m sure you can find something
for yourself. Well, let's move on to the final part.
What do you think I possibly hopeand not, but maybe it' s
(16:45):
going to take most of the time, because there are several things to explain,
especially if you' ve been herebefore what I tell you, it
will make more sense if you're new to the best or make absolutely
no sense to you. The contentcontent of the message today has already arrived
at this time I will start makingmy confessions. Let' s say that
(17:08):
sometimes I come and tell you Ihaven' t published or I haven'
t published for the last three weeksand I divide the truth, for lack
of motivation, I can' tleave it or say it in a more
direct way. I was telling himto take yesterday or dantier that in this
(17:30):
case, sometimes we have bumps,not that we have spikes, we have
bumps. Sometimes we get depressed.Sometimes we want to isolate ourselves, to
turn away from what happens to usor from what is around us. And
in that case, it' snot necessarily that for me. I am
very, very motivated to the pointalmost of the obsession that I no longer
(17:51):
had a while ago with making manychanges in my life nor am I carrying
them out, but to be sohappy making those changes, the truth that
drives me away, but in away that doesn' t necessarily cost me
to get away from what it isto come and record and share in the
(18:12):
podcast. Sometimes I have left thepodcast for a few seasons because I lack
the motivation from the point of view, in a negative way or, at
least, of what I consider tobe a negative way, either because I
have a very strong relapse because,perhaps, someone left some comment that moved
(18:33):
my mat and said ah no morewhat I do it for, so I
share it, they call me andtell me this way. Or because I
don' t understand the mess atall. Or because, maybe I don
' t have communication with anyone whodoesn' t make me feel it'
s worth coming and, maybe,occupying a time that I might be occupying
in something else. Isn' tthat the case? This is not the
(18:55):
case at present. The point is, I' m so comfortable doing other
things that I really want to dealwith differently. And the podcast, although
it brings me satisfaction on different levels, not just coming and sharing and learning,
obviously, about addiction, even thetechnical part, which is recording and
(19:18):
occupying the microphones and occupying my computer, etc, recording and editing and publishing
and watching the downloads, etc.That brings me satisfaction too. But the
truth that at this moment my planswith photography are being put to the background
by those who have been battling them, is even more ripening. In the
(19:44):
process of maturation. Right now I' m going back to a certain lifestyle
that you were a few years oldthat was running, subscribing to me,
or signing up for races like theones that just happened this weekend. I
had a bit of a pain inmy legs, but I had the opportunity
to participate with more than forty zeropeople in a ten- kilometer race that,
(20:10):
of course, far from winning,but nevertheless very happy to have ended.
And that really keeps me quite motivated. Currently the podcast has been a
companion, a companion that I needto take that first step at times in
order to maintain that relationship with thepodcast. It' s a little complicated
(20:36):
sometimes because it takes time, itrequires being overwhelming the idea, sometimes even
ending a bit annoying good heja,because maybe it didn' t go as
I wanted or maybe. He didn' t have the answer I wanted.
There has always been that way togo, to keep kneading a product that
I always try to deliver to youin the best way, but today I
(21:02):
insist in a very different way towhat has happened before. I am very
excited and motivated to do other things. Therefore, and without wanting to comment
on any mistakes, as I havealready done before, then I say goodbye
and read back as a dog withthe tail between the ducks. I'
m just saying that still being here, that there will be episodes, I
(21:29):
don' t know when they're going to be published. I hope
you' ll give me a chanceto keep in touch with you. I
also told Tamara that she is theonly one you see asks for explanations,
as she says, that maybe asif, as always, I say not
the first time here I am notgoing to tell lies to anyone has happened
to me before that I go outvery motivated to do something else, not
(21:52):
like today, not what I amliving today, but other things to try
to live that non- alcoholic life, to say, I will enjoy the
best of summer and I will tryto control my alcohol consumption. And hopefully,
nothing will happen And when I realizedthat I' m going back to
the starting point or even a littlefurther back, I' m coming to
(22:15):
say. Oh you know the motivationhas come to me again, but it
has come to me from suffering beyondjoy. I hope that' s not
the case. I hope, ifat any time I come and the episodes
I publish are true, because Iam very happy to want to be with
you, that I have something niceto tell you that I learned that I
(22:37):
can' t stand the urge andshare it with you as well. So,
hopefully that' s the case inthe next few episodes that come to
be published. I' ve thought, in fact, I' ve already
prepared it, which is the mostcurious thing an episode. It seemed to
me that the stars have lined up, that it is completely from Dr Gabor
(23:00):
Mate that you are strong again havingbeen with participation in the course that he
has online, came to me adocument where he explains with luxury of details
and synthesized very directly what in hisbook of that actually says so that I
will be saving you the reading ofa book or to take the course to
(23:22):
a certain point, which I hadplanned to divide in even two episodes,
probably up to three episodes. I' ve got that information ready and it
' s waiting. For me Ijust want to be in the mental capacity,
in the emotional ability to come andtalk to you as you should,
as you should, not just tocome and check that I already came,
(23:45):
already, I recorded it, Ialready published, I can feel good about
myself and others I wish and understand. The truth is, it' s
not like that. I want tobe mentally convinced that I want to come
and talk to you. The truthtoo, by the way, is not
that I didn' t say itand some other ways, but I certainly
(24:07):
get Dr Gabormate from my idol youknow it comes out good. We are
then with the update. Have alittle patience. You can keep getting in
touch with me. However, thecreactronic is the same paid. You'
re not to know, but ifI' m confessing everything to you,
then be paid back for two moreyears. The domain of goodbye addiction com
(24:30):
then, while that domain still exists, because I can, can or can
not, I can not, Ican continue to receive emails to Gregory arroba
a god addiction com te address willaddress you, if you go to that
page. It will address you tothe service I use to host the episodes.
(24:51):
In case, in case, youwant them to go down, download,
share what you want to do,you know you find it also on
Spotify platforms, on Apple Podcast platforms, on the eBox platform. Like Tatiana,
he found me and in many works. There' s the episodes and
look at six years of company.The truth. I think it has generated
(25:12):
a quantity of content that sometimes wejust vary it a little bit from one
to the other, but it isalways good to know the experiences of others.
If you' re in a positionto want to share something, you
know the invitation the door is alwaysopen. I know I' ve got
(25:33):
Eddis pending No, Edison, no, I' m sorry, I have
Hernando' s forgiveness. Greetings,Fernando. I got your last e-
mail. We made an attempt torecord. It couldn' t be done
at the time, but I'm sure in the future it' ll
be worth it. I think wecan do it as long as we'
re still here. I will staya few things for myself to this day
(25:57):
I do not want to say withoutbeing to everything that is surrounding me today.
What I want to say to youis that things are fine, that
I am still in my struggle,that I am still in my understanding,
that I continue to understand the wayobsession develops in me, how certain attitudes
(26:22):
develop that lead me to consumption.I think I' ve been very transparent.
With you then to come and tellyou bad things. I' d
rather leave you at that moment withsome things, out there that stay to
the imagination. But at the endof the day, everything' s fine.
Here I will continue, we willremain in contact and I am sure
(26:47):
that soon we will have the episodenumber one hundred and seventy- two and
one hundred and seventy- three ofaddiction goodbye. Well, that' s
it. Then I say goodbye todayI remind you goodbye addiction com and I
also remind you that there is alwayssomeone who loves you. There' s
(27:07):
always someone who wants to see youget over your addiction. Don' t
turn your back on them, talkto them head- on and ask them
to help you would be surprised tosee how many people are ready, won,
willing to give you that hand thatmuch not that much you need.
Remember that if you' re theperson who can help someone else, please
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do it, because you don't know when you can change someone'
s life don' t keep thatknowledge for yourself, for yourself alone.
Give someone else a chance. Giveyour hand to someone else and you'
re gonna see that you' regonna feel pretty good about being able to
do it. Okay. My nameis a Gregory Chiñas whom we hear in
(27:53):
the next episode goodbye addiction until thenext
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