EP172 - 6 preguntas clave sobre la adicción

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Extractos del premiado libro "En el reino de los fantasmas hambrientos: Encuentros cercanos con la adicción."

En esta guía gratuita, explore las respuestas a algunas de las preguntas más comunes sobre la naturaleza de la adicción:

1. ¿Qué es la adicción?
2. ¿Cómo influye el entorno en la adicción?
3. ¿Qué nos puede decir la experiencia de la primera infancia sobre la adicción?
4. ¿El apego de los padres juega un papel en la adicción?
5. ¿Cómo contribuye el trauma a la adicción?
6. ¿Cuál es el papel del estrés en la adicción?

Contrarrestando las nociones predominantes de que la adicción es una enfermedad genética o un fracaso moral individual, el Dr. Maté presenta un caso elocuente de que la adicción –toda adicción– es, de hecho, un caso de desarrollo humano desviado.

La información compartida en este podcast es solo para fines informativos y no intenta ser un sustituto a los consejos, diagnósticos o tratamientos médicos de ningún tipo. Por lo tanto consulta a tu médico o a otro profesional de salud si es que tienes alguna duda sobre tu estado de salud o de el como tratar tu adicción.

Episode Transcript

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The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes only and does not attempt
to replace diagnostic advice or medical treatmentof any kind. Therefore, consult your
doctor or other health care professional ifyou have any questions about your health or
your health condition, how to treatyour addiction. Welcome. Welcome back,

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my name is on Gregory Chiñas andas always I welcome you to a new
episode of addiction goodbye. Episode numberone hundred and seventy- two being recorded
on Sunday twenty- eight April ofthe year two thousand twenty- four.
Today I' m telling you aboutan excerpt from the book Amigos Amantes,

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and that terrible, that book thatMatthew Perry wrote, which in fact,
I told you a little bit abouthis passing away a few episodes ago.
I will also be talking to youabout six key questions about addiction excerpts from
the award- winning book in theKingdom of Hungry Ghosts close encounters with addiction
written by Dr Gabormate. I willalso be telling you about the latest comments

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that have been left in Spotify followingthe last episode of the number one hundred
and seventy- one. Yeah.Finally, a brief update of the current
situation. Well, before you getinto matter, as you always know,
I invite you to contact me atthe electronic chore. Gregory Arroba addiction com

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that you also subscribe to the YouTubepage. YouTube com diagonal. Cheer up
addiction. There you find me tooyou know that I am always eager to
know about you and to know ifyou want to participate in the recording of
any episode, because you know sorry, you don' t know when you

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can change someone' s life.Well, going into the stuff, you
see, he' s doing afew episodes, I really don' t
know. Many years ago I toldyou about the death of one of the
actors who appeared in that television seriescalled Friends, as well as other films.
His name is Matthew or it wasMatthew Perry. I read the book

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or heard the book rather I commentedon it at the time. When I
recorded that episode, I hadn't read it, but after I'
ve given myself in the last fewweeks I' ve been devouring, if
you can say that I' vebeen devouring books, I' ve been
listening to them practically a lot ofmemories and some people that I certainly think
might be interesting. In fact,to date I find myself listening to Obama

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' s book. But anyway,now that I' ve heard the book,
sometimes I always have the tingle tothink if you spend your money well.
I' m honest with you andin this case I thought I'
d buy it and I said good. Let' s see if I hope
it was a good investment, agood expense. And because I heard this

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at the beginning of his book,at the beginning of his book, the
truth was justified to a hundred percentbecause he was giving me the impression that
it was going to be a bookthat was going to leave some messages that
I could surely say implement from mylife probably a little more that is what

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other people are suffering, which iswhat other people are going through. And
also why not, thinking that maybesomeday I could come and talk to you
then once said that in the prologuepart there are a few, there is
a section I want to read,I want to suggest you the truth buy
that book, download it is theopportunity to read it and do it in

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audio or in writing that you couldread it because you have no price.
The truth that entertains you for awhile and gives you some ideas whatever this
excerpt may be. I' llexplain why. You may also identify yourself,
but after I read it, I' ll tell you why I identify

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with him quite a bit Here's the excerpt from that book. At
that time he lived in a soberhouse in southern California. This wasn'
t a surprise. I' velived half my life in one form or
another of a treatment center or soberhome, which is fine when you'

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re twenty- four, less goodwhen you' re forty- two.
Now I was forty- nine yearsold and I was still struggling to get
that monkey out of my addiction.At this point I knew more about drug
addiction and alcoholism than any of thenurses and most of the doctors I found
in these facilities. Unfortunately, suchself- knowledge is of no use to

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them. If the golden ticket tosobriety would involve hard work and learned information.
This beast would be nothing but aslight unpleasant memory. Just to stay
alive, I had become a professionalpatient. Let' s not sweeten it.
At forty- nine I was stillafraid to be alone my brain,

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crazy crazy, alone in this area. By the way, I' d
find some excuse to do it.Unthinkable drink and drugs in the face of
decades of my life ruined for doingthis. I' m terrified of doing
it again. I' m notafraid to talk in front of 20,

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000 people, but just put meon my couch in front of a TV
at night and I get scared.And that fear is of my own mind,
fear of my own thoughts, fearthat my mind will drive me to
resort to drugs, as it hasdone so many times before. My mind
is willing to kill me and Idon' t know. I am constantly

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filled with loneliness. Attempting a longingclinging to the notion that something outside of
me will fix. But I hadeverything the outside had to offer. Julia
Roberts was my girlfriend. It doesn' t matter. You have to drink.
I just bought the house of mydreams. It has views of the

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whole city. I can' tenjoy that without getting high. I'
m making a million dollars a week. That' s good, you'
d really like to drink. Ofcourse I do. Thank you very much.
I had it all, but itwas all a trick. Nothing was
going to fix this It would beyears before, if I wanted to grasp

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the notion of a solution. Pleasedon' t misunderstand all those things,
Julia and the dream house and amillion a week were wonderful and I'
d be eternally grateful for all ofthem. Today one of the luckiest men
on the planet and Go I hadfun just weren' t the answer.

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If I had to do it allover again, I' d still audition
for frenz You bet your ass Iwould? I' d drink again You
bet your ass what would? IfI didn' t have alcohol to calm
my nerves and help me have fun, I would have jumped out of a
tall building. At some point inmy 20s, my grandfather, the wonderful

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Alton L. Perry, grew uparound an alcoholic father and, as a
result, never tasted a drink inhis life, the ninety- six wonderful
lengths of his life. I'm not my grandfather. I don'
t write this so nobody feels sorryfor me. I write these words because

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they are true. I write toyou because someone else may be confused by
the fact that you know you shouldstop drinking. Like me, they have
all the information and understand the consequences, but they still can' t stop
drinking. My brothers and sisters arenot alone in the dictionary under the word

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addicted. There should be an imageof me looking around, very confused and
good so far the excerpt from thatpart of the prologue of friends who love
that terrible thing. The truth isthat when I heard the part that if

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it was nothing more than knowing theknowledge of the things that we have learned
from all those things that I,in your case, have said books,
that I have read, videos,that I have seen, courses, that
I have taken interactions, that Ihave had interviews that I have conducted through
this podcast. If you saw,if you were just to know all that

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addiction entails. If we were curedwith that, it would be wonderful,
you don' t think. Unfortunately, it' s not like that.
Matthew Perry still added the fame,the fortune, the possibility of attending rather
expensive rehabilitation centers and those soria housinghouses, as he calls it or calls

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it where you stay there practically fora while, they may take great care
of you. But the idea isthat you can' t use any kind
of drugs. So even with allthose resources, he had no chance against
addiction, because if you already reador listen to the book, you'

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ll realize that that void he wastrying to fill was chasing him practically in
his entire life until the last minute. Even so, at the end of
the book, he suggests that heis making peace with those things that were
chasing him. However, most likely, as we already know, evil was

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now done. His body could nolonger respond and, in fact, as
he initiates the book he does so, his name is Matthew Perry. His
friends call him Matti and he shouldbe dead. That' s how the
book Good starts. It was notenough about a year and fraction, perhaps

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about two years after I wrote thebook or published it for its time to
come and die to the consequences ofall the damage that was done bodily.
Anyway, I wanted to share itwith you, because I know there are
a lot of people who may stillbe wondering. I' m the only
one who' s going through thisor maybe I have all my disposition and

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why I can' t change thetruth. Here' s one more person
in the excerpt that I read wellin me as well, because of the
perpecias that I' ve made,the attempts that in fact, the things
that I' ve learned, thethings that I' m trying to implement
in my life. And yet sometimesit comes to that compulsiveness that takes me

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to the ground. But with thegreat fortune that, being something compulsive,
comes to pass and I rise againI know that there are many ways to
experience addiction, some of them moremarked than others. I don' t
know what yours is. I hopeyou can tell me about the co-

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relectronic Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction like howyou experience addiction. If you haven'
t been here with me, I' ll tell you my thing. It
' s impulsivity. It' scompulsiveness and impulsiveness, I think, too,
but it' s compulsive. It' s when I start drinking,
it' s quite possible that Ican' t stop and not just for
that day I' m doing it, but it' ll be for several

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days at a time, at leasttwo around three would be the average at
best, but it' s becomefour and five. It is or is
known as compulsivity by consumption to theabuse collo and with its alcohol also then
tell me what happens to you.Tell me how you carry or cope with
your addiction. Well, the secondpart of the episode six key questions about

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addiction, it becomes even more relevantthat you can get in touch with me.
Why. Because the electronic, especiallybecause if, in any case,
you wanted to have all the informationfrom this file that came to me,
which I have translated, which Ihave complete for you in Spanish, I
will not read it in its entirety, because the truth I did a test.

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You' re not here to know. I tried to record that first
question of those six key questions withthe answer. And the truth is that
I think it became tedious, becauseit' s a long thing and if
I read you the whole document,then yes, the truth would be pretty

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boring the thing. Then I'd rather give you an idea of what
it' s about and if,in any case, you' re interested
or interested in getting to know alittle more of those six questions with their
answers. Then you crashed it sendingit back in the mail. So mail
you know Gregory with and Greek robbingaddiction like this document came to me because

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at the time I was like Itold you before. I also enrolled in
Dr Gabor Mate' s course.I' ve read your books just as
you write, just as you hearthem. Rather it is written Gabor with
good gabor mate or Mate and thereyou will find information, in case,
on the Internet in many parts,if you are looking for it that way,

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he has his way of thinking,his way of analyzing why people suffer
from some addiction. It is alwaystrying to find out what is behind the
consumption, why people consume and inthe vast majority of cases, he goes
back from when the person dictates isa child or an infant or at an
early age goes and to him bindspractically everything with it. Then he wrote

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or has written several books which Iread Bia in its entirety from the other
co davia as not convincing me tothe hundred percent, to him about eighty
percent, but this was the firstthing I read that it is called in
the realm of hungry ghosts, closeencounters of addiction. I really recommend it
to you, too. There areseveral stories that he comments, they are

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several things that can be implemented,but above all, as always it is
to learn from the situation of others, to learn how far it can go.
If we don' t do somethingand the truth is considered one that
is perhaps exempt, because those arecases, which are extreme, let'
s say, but remember that atsome point they started maybe as you are
right now, and they got tothe point that in that book it'

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s narrated. As a result ofenrolling me in that course, I have
been sent this pdf, which Itell you quickly. It says excerpts from
the award- winning book. Inthe realm of hungry ghosts, close encounters
with addiction. This free guide willexplore the answers to some of the most
common questions about the nature of addiction. Question number one, what is addiction?

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Two, what influences the environment onaddiction? How does the environment influence
addiction? Three, what can theearly childhood experience tell us about addiction.
Four, parental attachment plays a rolein addiction. Five, how does trauma
contribute to addiction? Six, whatis the role of stress in addiction?

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Continuously, counteracting the prevailing notions thataddiction is a genetic disease or individual moral
failure. Dr Mate presents an eloquentcase that addiction, all addiction, is,
in fact, a case of devianthuman development. I also had the

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opportunity of them in that file theysent me, in that guide they comment
on. There are several points thatare illuminated. Let' s just say,
not to read you all six questionsand answers. I have better condensed
those points that they have highlighted andso that you too then give you an
idea of what all this continuous withthe points are not listed, but in

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theory it should carry about a sequenceof questions from one or six o'
clock. That' s why,maybe, some will make a little more
sense. If you think at first, maybe, what the question they might
be asking is. What addiction is, how it influences the environment, how
it can tell us the experience,the attachment of parents, how trauma contributes
and what role stress plays in addiction. Then I continue to read you the

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parts that have been highlighted. First, many non- substance behavioral addictions can
also be very destructive to physical health, psychological balance, and personal and social
relationships. Addiction is any repeated behavior, whether or not related to a substance
that brings with it temporary relief orpleasure, and in which a person feels

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compelled to persist, regardless of thenegative or long- term impact on his
or her life and the lives ofothers. Not all harmful compulsions are addictions.
Addiction is never purely psychological. Alladdictions have a biological dimension. Seeing

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addiction as a disease, whether acquiredor inherited, reduces it to a medical
problem. Addiction is a complex condition, a complex interaction between human beings and
their environment. Peer- bred monkeyswho are separated from their mothers are more
aggressive and are very likely to consumealcohol in excess. People who have difficulty

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establishing intimate relationships are at risk ofaddiction. A child' s ability to
handle psychological and physiological stress depends entirelyon the relationship with his or her parents.
Almost two thirds of injecting drug usecan be attributed to child, traumatic

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and abusive events. The brain developmentof many addicts was sabotaged by their traumatic
experiences. What all the stressors havein common. Ultimately, they all represent
the absence of something that the organismperceives as necessary for survival or the threat

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of loss. A child who suffersneglect, neglect or abuse will be more
reactive to stress throughout his or herlife. Addiction is a profound response to
stress, an attempt to deal withit through self- control. Stress is

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one of the main causes of continueddrug dependence. Stress on pregnant mothers has
a negative impact on the brain ofthe fetus, an impact that can last
long after birth. We have somethingwithin or around us that transcends the activation

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and wiring of neurons and the actionsof chemicals. It' s our spirit.
Right up there. Then the portionsthat are highlighted from the document that
came to me and that I haveprepared for you in case you are interested
or interested. I' d besending it to you in a pdf file.

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But as long as you ask meto email, Gregory conigriega arroba a
Dios addiction com la verdad que noperdicion So, you want to keep learning,
taking a little mattiw Perry. Truewe have no matter how much we
learn, but the truth is thatit' s always good to learn,
especially when we don' t knowexactly what' s happening to us or

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why we think what' s happeningto us, or how we feel,
how we feel, or if you, perhaps at the time you also have
a person around you who you knowis dependent on some substance, some obsessive,
compulsive behavior, also probably some addictivebehavior. It is possible that this
document could help you to do somethingmore or less understand why of all of

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it, justifying some things probably thatyou may not yet have perceived in that
self- analysis that then we doall the people who look like some addiction,
trying, trying to understand what happensto us. This document will probably
help you understand a little bit more. So, if you' re interested
or interested, I said it forthe last time right now. Send me

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an e- mail to Gregory Arrobato addiction com and I' ll gladly
be doing it to you there.Get back, well, let' s
quickly get into the part of theSpotify interaction. Notice that I didn'
t necessarily ask you anything in particularHowever, I thank the people who have
participated and it probably takes some timehere to explain the following. I know

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that last episode number one hundred andseventy- one I commented and I think
I understood and probably on that dayI did want to do it that subconsciously
that, maybe I wasn' tcoming here. So often, but I
want to nuance a little bit more. That' s what I said in
episode one hundred and seventy- one. I want to come as long as

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I feel like it. It's not that I don' t want
to, as I told you atthe time. It is rather motivation as
such or being focused on other things. Occupy part of the Kurv time Occupy
much of my mind, much ofmy physical effort too then there will be
occasions where all that is combined ispossible that I may not have the time

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or mental resources, probably of concentrationto come and chat with you. But
there will be moments like now Irecorded the last episode of the hundreds seventy
- one. Tuesday I' mnot a week later coming to record this
other episode next. I don't know when. It could be tomorrow,
it could be a week, itcould be in fifteen days. I

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don' t know for that veryreason, I didn' t even mean
remotely to say I was fired muchless. I' m just gonna try.
Let' s say we do thisas long as I have something to
tell you. As I have alwaystold you, I have always wanted to
come here and not only come tocheck that I fulfilled that Sunday that I
came to record, but rather totell you something that I have learned myself,

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that I know that maybe you canapply, that to me it seemed
interesting and that I am interested inthat you also know it or that you
listen to it, then that couldcontinue to happen to the best of what
I had in mind at the time, or I could walk away or have
to put some longer pauses that perhapsalso at this moment I can imagine it

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comes out Meanwhile, here I am, I will remain as long as there
is something to say without impressions ofmuch less, similarly coming when they have
that desire. Obviously saying now Ifeel like I have to say something to
this person who will surely listen tome and is probably hoping to get to
know some issue in addiction podcasts comesout. Thank you very much then to

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the people who without me necessarily askanything. In particular, remember that Spotify
leaves it for default. The questionthat seems to be there is that you
thought of this episode. There areat present five little people who have answered
that question and I know that insome cases as you will hear it right
now because I want to continue tohonor those who deserve honor. Everyone who

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participates here will have a place tobe heard. Juliet, many greetings.
Juliet, I love that you havenew things, too, and that you
' re remodeled. Juliet remembers thatat the time, Juliet participated through a
letter that, in fact, oneof those people a woman to admire.
Also after many efforts and things notall of us are going through, it

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was able to be replenished by agreat deal of strength. I think,
in fact, as far as Iremember it, Juliet, without necessarily drawing
on some sort of traditional question thathelps addicts, she got over it after
having been drinking sometimes because of otherproblems and situations. Find the episode.

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I must have called it an interviewpost, something like that or if I
don' t look for it,as Juliet sure put her name in so
that you know a little bit morethan Juliet had to go through until I
remember, Juliet is a person whoexercises and runs. I don' t
know if every day or not Juliet, but I know that, at the
root of which I said that Iwas running that was what had inspired me

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at that time and motivated me toexercise. I know that Juliet probably felt
happy because I was still following herat the moment to join her in the
distance, to run some other milesthat to date also, by the way,
I do not remember a full week, many, many months, some

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years ago, certainly I had exerciseor the way to exercise in more than
three or four days. And thetruth is, I' m very motivated
right now. I' m havingtraining to run five kilometers. I'
m following a virtual training where I' m asked to walk and run that

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I' m going to run andin the end, I believe after several
weeks, I' m going torun the five kilometers and possibly, as
I do that, I looked atmyself at ten and looked as far as
I can. He used to runa lot, they' re not there
to know, but he ran about70 miles a week. It was that,
it was something a few years agoand now I can' t.
He can' t do it forlong, but now I want to find

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that way again. I already spreada lot just because I remember seeing Juliet
at the time she' s runningfor some time and the truth is that
I want to share you, becauseI' m still quite excited. I
' m pretty tired, but youknow what it' s best to be
tired. That way, I gotup to go to bed completely sober,
tired, waking up the next dayin pain maybe, tired, but not

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precisely for having him out of ahangover. It' s not the truth.
It' s wonderful. It's wonderful, and that' s
the truth I want you to liveit, too, if you haven'
t experienced it in a while.Tamara, Tamara Tamarita letterhead, says don
' t worry. Here we areto support you too thanks for all the
episodes you' ve recorded. Keepenjoying the exercise and stay focused on a

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strong hug in the distance, atamara hug to Belgium or in julietana to
be Argentina. Tamara to Belgium.A greeting to both of you And well,
since I' ve approached both ofyou, I' m not exercising
anymore. Of course I will,I' ll stay. I don'
t want to know when it getsto a certain point in my goal,
I' ll share with you howfat I am. But, well,

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the truth. The truth is,anyway, you do, not anything else.
That' s why you do itby making yourself, by feeling good,
by being at peace with yourself,by being really thinking about the future
too, because we only focus alot on the present, that we should
maybe as addicts live alone for today. But also, man, you have
to think about the future, whatyears of quality. We hope and can

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wait for us in the future andthen we have to invest from ourselves in
order to be able to experience thoseyears that come in the best way.
It' s good. I cached, by the way, last week saying
a lot of salts, Sale,Sale. I don' t know where
it' s coming from, butfinally, joel has a thousand nine hundred

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and eighty- eight. Don't stop publishing Gregory. You can be
a good company to listen to thepodcast. Of course I do. Joel
here. I' ll stay here, I' ll stay, I insist,
I don' t know how manytimes I don' t know what
day. I wouldn' t necessarilyexpect to arrive alone on Sundays. I
could make a Tuesday that gets meinspiration on a Wednesday morning that might not

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work. I don' t knowwhat I can tell you here, but
I' m not telling you anythingelse to say I did. I want
to come and say something that Ithought was important to you. That is
why time will dictate. How oftenI come here to be an act of
presence, ELISA, Isabel Hill Jiménezsays Gregory. I think you' ve

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helped more people than you think andin the near future there' ll be
a lot more people who need help. Don' t leave the podcast so
long. Alcohol is the global epidemic. Without a doubt, in several factors,
ELISA, of course, I amnot leaving again. The podcast is
just let' s say some uncertaintyas to how often I can get to

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do it. But I' mstill here, and alcohol is the epidemic,
the global epidemic Look, it's got a time that maybe I
didn' t listen to that concept, but I' m also convinced that
it is. Unfortunately, the epidemicwe just went through. Or that in
some countries, maybe it' sstill to some extent still there, which

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is the coronavirus. Everyone got,got organized, literally, everyone organized to
share that epidemic and we all didwhat we had to do to protect ourselves
and the loved ones we had.I don' t expect you to do
the same. Why not, inthis case make a global epidemic. Everyone

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is organized precisely to fight it.But the most important thing, from my
point of view, is nothing morethan that, as well as with the
coronavirus. Why don' t wedo everything we can to protect ourselves and
why don' t we think aboutprotecting those people who live with us.
If you' re a parent,I' m sure you didn' t
want your infant who, at bestyour child, whether small or old,

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would get sick because because you,you said, don' t know how
bad he could do or your parents, your adult beings, didn' t
want to bring the bug into thehouse because you didn' t want them
to, maybe they could die,if any of your relatives died as a
result of the coronavirus. I sendyou heartfelt condolences and sincere embrace, but
in this case I am using itas an example, because I want to
think that many of us say everythingto protect ourselves and why not think of

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alcohol the same way, when weknow it' s for us so that
we don' t hurt ourselves.But also that there are people who can
get hurt because of what we arebringing home. You don' t think
that maybe, Elisa is giving meto think about developing some topic if you
want to collaborate with it. BothLisa and anyone who hears me right now,

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tell me what you think the globalepidemic is. It is a global
alcohol epidemic and I would like toclose it to alcohol so that it does
not necessarily open up to drugs.Although there are other highly targeted countries that
are experiencing other types of epidemics.Not as the U S is living the
epidemic of facing a Nile in frontof me do I call the fentanyl the

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frantanile and there are other countries wherevery localized, let' s say,
other people live. But yes,it is certainly enough to be debated or
to listen to what you think,if alcohol is the global epidemic. Chand
one, six, six, one, cheers from Venezuela every week. I
hope it motivates your podcast. Iknow it' s not easy to sit

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down and prepare a material without knowingwhat' s right, but thank you
in your material three hundred sixty-five at zero. That part I didn
' t understand Chant to be honestwith you, three hundred and sixty-
five at zero. It' sgood. That' s where Chanlen explained
it to me in the next one. If I don' t send an

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e- mail to Gregoria, throwaway god addiction. Tell me what it
means in Venezuela is apart maybe,maybe. I' m not getting it,
but, whatever it is, thankyou very much. A greeting to
Venezuela, and then, well,I' ll be here. If it
' s not easy to sit downand tie something up for you maybe.
There are people who say ah butyou' re only reading excerpts from a

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book, you' re just gettingto read a pdf that maybe something hears,
because prepare me attentively. I'm not doing everything in my power
to actually bring you something like that. I couldn' t get to recite
all the things that come to me. Either, or recite to you all
the things I see, because Idon' t think it' s worth
it out there, or that it' s more of a matter, or
that it' s necessarily worth it. This I put on paper. I

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put a person in my shoes,because that' s what my Podcaster training
indicated. Let' s just sayI have to imagine someone I' m
talking to. I have to imaginewhat I mentioned earlier. I have to
imagine some age range. If youare an adult, if you are not
an adult, of what age,if you are a man, if you

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are a woman, what preparation,academic as well as questions of life you
have had, etcetera, etcetera.So, in that way that, in
fact, aligns much with what theexperience I have had. I don'
t change my ideas, I don' t try to change them or even
the way I express myself, butI' m thinking about a certain age
range. If I were talking tosome people at best, younger, maybe

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around 20 years low, 20 orearly at 20 maybe, maybe I would
express myself in some other way.I want to think, but since I
don' t need them in mysights. I think I' ll prepare
a material that' s what I' m going to do that' s
interesting or relevant. It has tobe relevant to that or, for that

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age range of people that I wantto reach, which makes sense to me
to talk to. So, thatmakes it a little harder to get the
issues out there floating, really applyingto others. It comes out but well,
I accept ideas whatever it is.Remember I' ve said it many
times, but I won' tget tired because I want you to know

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that I' m still here.Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction dot com then.
Many thanks to the five people whoparticipated, Juliet, Tamarita, Joel Elisa
and chance L Uno. Six,six, one. Thank you very much
for the comments. Well, I' ve already mentioned it in a few
minutes and the final part of theepisode is coming in. It is that,

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then, in what I am layingdown in that I walk them to
exercise and to walk, preparing forthe following, something that comes in matters
of racing of this one to runfor a long time. And that'
s why I want to share itwith you for a long time. Since,
in fact, I came to Canadaeight years ago, my knees,

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after having run sixty seventy kilometers aweek, practically every week, for several
years, my knees were injured andsince I arrived in Canada, practically although
I went to physiotherapy, because Idid not see a very important change,
then I left it and then Iconvinced myself that I was no longer going
to run, that every time Iran it would hurt me, since at

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any moment I was going to beable to already suffer an injury. And
I convinced myself I repeated it somany times that I said you can'
t run anymore, you' renot going to run, forget about it?
You can' t run, you' re not going to run,
forget about it? And it's been many years, as you can
tell. I' m commenting onthe two thousand and sixteen. We'
re reaching two thousand twenty- four. There' s no no, because
I haven' t made some attempts, but never when I find myself right

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now, because I' ve decidedto stop believing the person who in 2,
000 you told me you' renot going to run, you can
' t run, forget about itso many times. I repeated it to
myself that I believed it and Iwanted to believe it because it was convenient,
because it was convenient to say ahwell, I better lie down,

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I sit watching TV doing nothing,because I also convinced myself that the only
thing I liked to do that,in fact, partly yes, but well,
there maybe I want to nuance itthat the only thing I liked to
do was to run. Then Iwouldn' t give him the door to
open the door for some other kindof exercise to enter. However, like
the truth, what I like orliked for a long time is running,

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because it always showed me the possibilityto beat myself, because in many moments,
when I started to run from kilometernumber one I was going, I
was telling myself to stop him forwhat you do this, you did it
yesterday, for what you want todo it today and for a number of
excuses that, at the end ofany part of the training or that I

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was doing and I ended it andsaid there it is. I have shown
myself once again that I must stoplistening to those pretexts that come to mind,
those words of defeat from the beginning, and I show myself every time
I do, that I can doit. Then I want to start over

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with that triumphant, non- defeatistmentality of saying yes you can, yes,
I can do it, yes itwill hurt, yes I will get
tired, yes I will feel likequitting. However, here I am and
the same is what I was doingafter several years, to come and talk
about alcohol, drug addiction. Thesame thing I can tell you so many

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times we convince ourselves not. Thisisn' t gonna happen. I won
' t be able to have it. What do I fight for if I
always come to the same place,we have to stop asking ourselves that because
or saying that to ourselves, becausewe also have to realize that if we
were what we ended up believing,then we are doomed to fail and live

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a miserable life asking ourselves always andwhat it would have been if I hadn
' t believed it, what wouldhave been if I hadn' t stopped
saying all those things that almost tenyears I started to tell myself and now
I' m totally convinced that I' m a loser, that there'
s no one for me, thataddiction I' m never going to be
able to get rid of and along, etcetera. I have decided today,

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in this new motivation and at thebest moment in my life, that
I am opening it up again torun, that no matter the pain,
that no matter how many times Iwant to quit. I' m gonna
get ahead and I' m gonnamake it,' cause this is the
best thing for me. I've been doing the same thing for six

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years. I' m going tosucceed against addiction. I' ve learned
a lot along the way. Attimes in quotation marks I have resigned,
but here I keep fighting because Iknow it' s the best thing for
me. If at any point youwonder if this is the best thing for

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you, if what you do everyday, every week, or for the
whole years, which is to fightagainst some addiction, that' s the
best thing for YOU, and stopconvincing yourself to ask yourself sometimes whether or
not you' re able to doit. We all have that capacity absolutely

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all, but it depends on usbecause things aren' t going to happen
on their own. Remember an episode. If he titled nothing changes. If
nothing changes in, then, thenwe need to start changing. You don
' t think it' s goodhere, this far. Then remember that

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you can contact me at the e- mail. Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction as
there, with all pleasure, willbe accepting your comments, suggestions, greetings
or your suggestion of participation in casethat in the future we can agree to
record some episode that can help someone, no matter when you find yourself.

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Remember, remember, you never knowwhen you can change someone' s life.
And remember also my dear brother HernandoAlan Gutierrez, Guadarrama and I say
all your name, because I knowthat in your participation, when at some
point we manage to do it.You said you told me that you don
' t want to hide, thatyou want to put your name. As

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things are the way they are,then I' m sure we' ll
soon be able to agree to recordit on time. We haven' t
been able, from my point ofview, but I' ll be there,
whatever it is, opening the doorin case anyone else wants to offer
and we' ll be talking abouttime issues. Remember my email Gregoria steals
god addiction com and we' llsee when we can record. Or send

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me an e- mail, sendme the application. Ask me about the
questions tell me, hey, Iwant to know the ten questions send them
to me because I want to answerthem by mail. I don' t
want to say my name. Don' t say my name, don'
t say my age, don't say where I' m from.
Just read the answers to the tenquestions and I will. Then send me,
please, to the mail I've already mentioned. I don'

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t know how many times someone tellsthem and tells me, well, then
up here. Remember, remember,there are people who love you. It
' s hard to say goodbye whenat least I' m having a good
time, but I have to saygoodbye. Remember, there' s someone
who loves you. Remember, there' s someone who wants to see what
super is your addiction. Don't turn your back on them, talk

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to them head- on and askthem for help. You' d be
surprised to see how many people areready and eager to help you. And
also remember that if you are theperson who can help someone walk that stormy
path, give him that hand thathelps him get up, that shoulder that
leans so that he can walk thatfirst step, please do so because there
are many people who are also willingto get that help. And if you

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' re that person who can help, please do it because you never know
when you can change someone' slife. And that' s one of
the most beautiful emotions and feelings youcan experience. Okay. My name is
Gregory Chiñas and here we will heareach other in the next episode of addiction
dadies until the next