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La recuperación requiere fuerza
El viaje de una adicción rara vez es una línea recta, pero HAY UN PODER EN COMPARTIR LOS MOMENTOS EN LOS QUE ESE VIAJE SE CURVA EN UNA DIRECCIÓN DIFÍCIL. En este articulo personas reales comparten dónde los llevó el camino hacia la sobriedad.
LAS PERSONAS EN RECUPERACIÓN TE DIRÁN que la adicción no se trata solo de dependencia neuroquímica, sustancias intoxicantes o comportamientos de búsqueda de emociones. La adicción también está relacionada con el control, la seguridad y la autoestima.
Todas las personas descritas aquí superaron el estigma para obtener ayuda. Y más allá de gestionar sus adicciones, encontraron algo más. A través de una conexión espiritual, asesoramiento individualizado, terapia de grupo, grupos de 12 pasos u otro método, descubrieron que la sobriedad no era un fin sino un medio para una vida más fuerte, más feliz y más saludable.
Aquí hay a tres personas que enfrentaron sus luchas y descubrieron versiones nuevas y mejoradas de sí mismos a través de la recuperación, así como lecciones de vida de las que todos podemos aprender.
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La recuperación requiere fuerza
El viaje de una adicción rara vez es una línea recta, pero HAY UN PODER EN COMPARTIR LOS MOMENTOS EN LOS QUE ESE VIAJE SE CURVA EN UNA DIRECCIÓN DIFÍCIL. En este articulo personas reales comparten dónde los llevó el camino hacia la sobriedad.
LAS PERSONAS EN RECUPERACIÓN TE DIRÁN que la adicción no se trata solo de dependencia neuroquímica, sustancias intoxicantes o comportamientos de búsqueda de emociones. La adicción también está relacionada con el control, la seguridad y la autoestima.
Todas las personas descritas aquí superaron el estigma para obtener ayuda. Y más allá de gestionar sus adicciones, encontraron algo más. A través de una conexión espiritual, asesoramiento individualizado, terapia de grupo, grupos de 12 pasos u otro método, descubrieron que la sobriedad no era un fin sino un medio para una vida más fuerte, más feliz y más saludable.
Aquí hay a tres personas que enfrentaron sus luchas y descubrieron versiones nuevas y mejoradas de sí mismos a través de la recuperación, así como lecciones de vida de las que todos podemos aprender.
Nota al pie: Los hombres tienen más probabilidades de desarrollar un trastorno por abuso de sustancias; sin embargo, es más probable que las mujeres busquen ayuda.
La información compartida en este podcast es solo para fines informativos y no intenta ser un sustituto a los consejos, diagnósticos o tratamientos médicos de ningún tipo. Por lo tanto consulta a tu médico o a otro profesional de salud si es que tienes alguna duda sobre tu estado de salud o de el como tratar tu adicción.
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The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes only and does not attempt
to make a substitute for diagnostic adviceor medical treatment of any kind. Therefore,
please always consult your doctor or otherhealth care professional if you have any
questions about your state of health orhow to treat your addiction. Welcome.
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Welcome again, my name is onGregory Chiñas and, as I always welcome
you to a new episode, episodenumber one hundred and seventy- three of
addiction goodbye that is being recorded onMonday, May 20, year two thousand
twenty- four. As I alwaysthank you, as I said, for
the opportunity you give me to bewith you, to give me a few
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minutes to share with you, somethingI hope can accompany you for the next
few minutes. As I always remindyou, you can contact me at Gregory
' s e- mail at God' s addiction. As you know there
that all the emails that reach meall there are they answered and although I
was a little late in the emailsthat came to me the last few weeks,
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I can tell you today that Ido not owe any, that all
have been answered. So, ifyou want to communicate with me just to
say hello or offer to record,so we can get in touch and record
an episode, or you just wantto answer the questions I regularly ask to
the people who participate. These areten questions. I could send them to
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you by electronic cro and it willbe from you if you want to return
them to me so that I canread them in some future episode. It
' s good. What I wantto talk to you about today. Recovery
requires strength. This is an articlethat I will share with you today only
part of it and the other partwe will be leaving for a next episode.
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It' s three stories, threeways of getting over addiction, one
way longer than the other two.That is why today I will only talk
about the first, which is leadingthe recovery. He made me a better
doctor. That' s what I' ll be sharing with you today.
I' m also going to besharing a recent experience, Friday was a
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funeral, a funeral that again servesas a warning. It serves as a
warning that we have to pay ourbills and above all, if those accounts
have to do with excessive alcohol consumption. Anyway, I hope that' s
what I' m telling you.In the second part and in the last
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part of today' s episode Iwill be telling you about Spotify comments that
people have kindly lent themselves to leavingthem there. In the last episode I
ask you, in the episode newnumber one hundred and seventy- two,
I' ll share you and I' ll give you my views, because
of those four I think we canalso talk pretty good going into matter.
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This article. I found it ina specialized health magazine and it caught my
attention and as I always go tothe house, I' m always looking
to bring something that can serve youtoo or, maybe make you think if
at some point you identify with theperson who has responded or who has participated
in this publication, for example.Well, here I am bringing another one.
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Then I' ll read it toyou continuously, and then at the
end of the extract, I'll be giving you. My opinion.
You think it' s good.Let' s start then. Recovery requires
strength. The journey of an addictionis rarely a straight line, but there
is a power to share the momentsin which that journey bends in a difficult
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direction. In this article, realpeople share where they led the way to
sobriety. People in recovery will tellyou that addiction. It' s not
just neurochemical dependence, intoxicating substances,or emotion- seeking behaviors. Addiction is
also related to control, safety andself- esteem. All the people described
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here overcame the stigma to get helpand, beyond managing their addictions, found
something else. Through a spiritual connection, individualized group therapy counseling, twelve-
step groups or other method, theydiscovered that sobriety was not an end,
but a means to a stronger,happier and healthier life. Here are three
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people who faced their struggles and discoverednew and improved versions of themselves through recovery,
as well as the life lessons fromwhich we can all learn. A
footnote in the article comments that menare more likely to develop a substance abuse
disorder. However, women are morelikely to seek help. The first participation
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is as follows. Recovery. Hemade me a better doctor. Peter Greensbon,
a fifty- eight- year-old Doctor, was the classic and
busy primary care physician, but healso prescribed bicodin. In two thousand and
five he spent ninety days in rehaband has been recovered for fourteen years.
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The doctor says, fifteen or twentyyears ago I really didn' t listen
to people. I was an insecure, arrogant, stressed person who wanted to
take a drug because I was soexhausted that I thought I deserved it.
People susceptible to addiction have a verylow stress tolerance. The moment they feel
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uncomfortable. They take medicine to replacebad feeling with a good feeling. It
can be very irritating to be aprimary care physician. The computer doesn'
t work, the insurance doesn't pay, the patient doesn' t
answer the phone. In the thirdattempt, I try to rethink things and
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remember that I' m lucky tobe able to help people. I have
learned to simply tolerate the feeling ofbeing irritated or frustrated and I have internal
resources that can bring me back toa point centered and in peace. A
friend in rehab used to say it' s a shame you have to ruin
your life completely to get a chanceto reinvent yourself. It' s really
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good to have the opportunity, inthe middle of your life or career,
to reevaluate who you are. Forme a fundamental component of my recovery was
rediscovering who I was and what wasimportant. Not for me what should be
important like being an important doctor ormaking money. The important thing, the
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really important thing, is to bepresent and connect with people and have a
community around health. Recovery is muchmore than not using the drugs that were
messing up my life. Listening topeople, appreciating them, and helping them,
and allowing them to help you requiresa lot of humility and vulnerability.
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That helps you overcome something as exhausting, miserable and destructive as addiction. These
skills are the ones that keep youin recovery. If you don' t
practice them. Shame and emptiness comeback and you' ll need a drug.
But if you practice these things,you' ll be happy and healthy
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and there won' t be roomfor drugs to come back. Recovery is
much more than not using the drugsthat were derailing my life. That is
necessary, but not enough. Recoveryis a complex building. You are restructuring
your life in a way that youcan find joy and satisfaction in all things
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that are not drugs, alcohol,sex game or anything you were using to
fill that void. In reactivation wehad to write a daily list of gratitude,
although I do not like to writeas I do for this I make
a mental list every morning. Iam convinced that there are many reasons to
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be optimistic and grateful. When Ifeel depressed, I say progress, not
perfection, which means you' redoing everything you can to go in the
right direction. We have an obligationto be informed citizens, especially in these
difficult times, but sometimes it isnecessary to take a break and disconnect from
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everything that makes you noise, suchas the news the other day. While
driving home after a day at theclinic, I turned off the news of
the moment and listened to the musicI like the most. This made me
feel better for the rest of theday. Well, so far, Dr.
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Peter, you' ll notice.They' re real people, they
' re people who tell you rightnow like him what he was or what
he' s done what' sserved him. Especially about overcoming the stigma.
As is well commented from the beginning, is to recognize that there are
important things to do still that alsothe satisfaction that we have to give is
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important, but that a much greatersatisfaction on many occasions comes from being able
to approach others, the fact ofgetting close to others, being in communication,
being able to be in direct contactwith other people, whether they are
addicted or not with people in ourcircle who, perhaps they are a little
abandoned because we are or were goingthrough a complicated moment. I believe that
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Communion, as we have discussed onmany occasions, is what can help us
to create that connection and thus avoidfalling back into compulsive or destructive behaviors or
attitudes. There is then again thedoctor' s participation that mentions something that,
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in fact, if you listen tothe podcast in Spotify, on the
new cover of the podcast, Iactually use progress not perfection, because that
' s what I believe in.That' s what I believe, I
' ve believed it for a while, but maybe I didn' t dare
rationalize it that way. We havecommented that relapse is part of the process
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that as long as you stay inthe struggle, as you rise up and
continue to advance, it is preciselythat concept, it is precisely progress,
not perfection. Doesn' t meantomorrow you won' t face complicated issues.
It doesn' t mean that tomorrow' s day for fighting today doesn
' t necessarily mean that you won' t have to face that addiction monster
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again and maybe you' ll endup losing progress, not perfection. The
message is let' s keep fightingthat recovery is going to take quite some
time. There is one person towhom, in fact I keep mentioning that
his brother, that his son alsoseemed to be not only in recovery,
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but compared the situation with having acancer, to say you' re in
remission, you don' t know. Unfortunately, sometimes, with some cancer
then you don' t know ifthey' re coming back, but the
person who went through them has todo everything possible to stay in remission,
not give rise to the cancer toreturn to their body. Then more than
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being in recovery, it would seemthat maybe the goal has already been conquered.
The person best described it as beingin remission, doing everything in our
power to prevent that cancer. Whydon' t you call them disease,
which is addiction, whatever you have, go back to IT. In the
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next episode I' ll be commentingon the title. He' s a
better listener. Chris Mashall, forty- one, who has been sober for
ten years. The text is briefand also redefine the success of fifty-
four- year- old Jason,a hair cutter. Let' s just
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say by cutting to the hair veryimportant personalities, he' ll also be
sharing his experience, as he smokedcrack and consumed methamphetamine. In both cases.
The text is brief, which Iwill be sharing in the next episode.
Please tell me then what do youthink of Peter' s comment being
really close, of listening to people, of focusing on the most important and
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of stopping thinking about banalities or materialthings, but about the most important ones,
which is to approach others. Tellme what do you think then?
There with the information that I sharedtoday from this doctor, well, let
' s then move on to thenext part and note that right now I
mentioned it, the referral and thetalking about cancer, because it' s
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precisely what happened again to a personfrom the close or familiar circle here in
Canada, from my political family tosuccumbing. I don' t know if
saying fortunately, I was thinking lookat you right now is about to say.
Fortunately, he came to live manyyears, which is good, which
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sometimes makes me break my head tobe honest, because I am very afraid
of some illness, but sometimes good. No. Sometimes we don' t
know what the future holds. Youagree, we don' t know.
Sometimes there are people who cut themselvesbeautifully, who take great care of what
they even eat or drink the exerciseand so on and end up, unfortunately,
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because of unknown issues, perhaps anaccident, because of genetic issues,
they end up dying. Yet theyhave done everything that society apparently knows how
to do everything possible for all thosein their hands to extend their lives as
much as they can and result insuccumbing. After all, we do not
know what the future holds for us, and in this case this person,
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he was seventy- five years old. Diagnosed six months ago with liver cancer,
he decided not to go to treatment. He decided to accept that reality
after smoking almost all his life.I don' t know how many cigarette
packs were smoked a day or howlittle you were drinking a day, but
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he voluntarily decided not to go througha chemotherapy process or any kind of treatment
and after six months of being diagnosed, a reminder has passed away about a
year and a fraction ago. Ialso told you about the sensitive death of
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my father- in- law,who also died as a result. Also
a smoker, heavy drinker also diedof cancer every day. In fact,
it was a little worse there becauseit was, in fact, in the
liver, it was in the pancrasand it also went up to his lungs.
It' s a reminder, justa reminder. There is someone who
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could say sixty- nine years,well, because they were already lived in
their time. I did an episodethat was being a happy drunk. I
think I put it because that wasthe title of that person' s letter,
where it said that he, ifhe reached the age of fifty,
what better than already. That wasprofit already the one who was going to
live everything he had to live ashe wanted to live it and, besides
everything, without limitations within which hewas considered to be drinking or any drugs
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that were of his preference at thattime. Then I' d tell him
if I got to 50, well, I don' t want to get
old, I don' t wantto die of old age. Then there
are people who can say sixty-nine years with my father- in-
law well lived or poorly lived,that will depend on each one. My
father also died through or after asuicide. As I told you, it
' s already a time, sixty- nine years, also of age.
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In this case this person seventy-five years old, which really, when
I was coming out of the burialceremony, did go through my head to
say good And how about that maybeI keep doing it, how about that
I' m still good? Forif to the seventy- five men,
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for if it was already we arenow on an international average, probably between
seventy- two, seventy- four, root of the pandemic, that life
expectancy decreased a little bit, butit was more or less in for men
between seventy- five, seventy-six or seven or something like that.
Well, you say that actually thisperson actually came to the life expectancy that
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a man should be regularly coming inat this time. Not then did it
make me think. However, Irealized that it is not only physically reaching
that age, it is also themental, mental health, which we rarely
talk about. It' s whataffects me the most. It doesn'
t mean that physically or physiologically Idon' t suffer any problems after one
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of those days, since c offury, as my friend Ruba says,
either of those weeks that I mighthave to drink compulsively, doesn' t
mean that physically I don' tsuffer, of course, that I suffer
from the lack of sleep for severaldays, the lack of food for several
days and the having nightmares, whichis what he means, from the nightmares
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that are so real, but soreal, that I wake up and I
' m completely stuck, that Ican' t scream, that I feel
that I can' t breathe either. Then it doesn' t mean that
drinking inordinately doesn' t reach me. That' s why. But what
interests me the most at the momentis mental health. It' s how
bad I feel mentally, already atthat moment I was passing the moments of
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guilt, of anguish, of sayingI couldn' t, etcetera, etcetera.
I don' t think it's evolved in many moments, in
many ways, that kind of learningthat I' ve had over time.
So it' s not so muchthat, but rather it' s inherent
to the fact that you' reconsuming in an excessive way. So,
then, for me, physical healthis so important that it does scare a
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cancer, but of those liver canceror pancreatic cancer because it is really two.
They are one or two of themany who can give us men.
Then, rather, it is tomaintain a healthy life, as much as
you can in every way. TodayI shared with you a few weeks ago
that I was in ft. Iwas training to keep training, to keep
running. Retake that in my lifeand that' s what I' m
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still doing today. You have hadvery intense sessions, but in turn,
I very much like having that kindof physical pain, that physical pain caused
by having drunk disproportionately for several days. There' s the update. The
family also recognized very calm, frommy point of view, because they are
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in their right, obviously, becausethey had, however it may be,
six months to prepare for that personto die when the time came, as
they were already mentally minded. Thenit was a less complicated situation than with
mys which was really a three-week diagnosis and a fairly, fairly accelerated
death of almost forty- eight hoursof being from a person to seeing that
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person walking consciously, let' ssay talking, talking, knowing what was
expressed in forty- eight hours hadpassed away. Then they' re one
of those things that the truth hasto make you think about your life.
Not necessarily. I wish, wehad to lose someone to make those approaches.
But if you have the possibility ofsome acquaintance or it' s come
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that you' ve lost a whileago, whether it' s fairly recent,
that could really make you think ifthat' s the way you want
to go. Remember that those whohave left at the time were who we
are and that is the path thatwe are probably following. It will be
up to you to put one uphere a stop and focus probably on what
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' s most important in your life, as I' m doing right now
too, which is trying to letgo of all that ballast. I have
been getting much closer to prayer latelythan at the time, which I carried
out every day for two months.But, as always, we feel better
and forget what made us feel better, now I' ve been taking it
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back and I' ve been askingto break those chains that tie me to
addiction. I understand that this brokenone, that those chains have been broken,
that it depends on me, thatit is up to me to keep
them like that so that they donot come together again, and that they
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will again sink me. So Ihave to do that work now, that
work to keep those chains as theyhave to be broken to nothing, causing
me to sink into negative thoughts,into compulsive and destructive behaviors, truly focusing
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my present, especially my future,on a free life, completely free of
alcohol, that we will be talkingabout that later at that moment I will
also be telling you about the choicesand the currents of alcohol drinks. What
I' m thinking about now,I' ll be sharing it with you
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in the next few episodes. Well, let' s move on to the
final part, to which, infact, I am very grateful to the
people who approached the question I askedyou in episode one hundred and seventy-
two what you have repeated to suchan extent that you end up believing it
was going to give it a negativeconnotation at first, but then I decided
to change the question as such Ialready added. Good or bad, because
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sometimes it' s also true,it' s worth waking up alone the
days and saying this day is goingto be wonderful. And that' s
why they don' t get usout of the truth. Then it may
be good or bad that we exterminateourselves by believing something. Sometimes we focus
so much on the bad, weactually end up thinking that we are also
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incapable, that we are worthless,that we don' t have the strength
we need, etcetera, etcetera.Then we focus so much on the bad
that we leave the good side.And fortunately and fortunately there were answers from
these four who participated, which arepositive. Then I thank you very much
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for the truth and that the truththat I am very pleased that there is
and I have been able to changethe question. Then Elisa Isabel gil Jiménez
ah a shame, because it's twenty- two ten back. It
was the last time I published forgiveness. Elisa Isabel gil Jiménez will never drink
alcohol again in my life. Today, April 29th, a year ago I
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hit bottom and I haven' ttried the alcohol again and I won'
t do it to this one.Then I won' t drink alcohol again
in my life. That' swhat Elisa repeats herself every day, or
has repeated them, or repeated itto her until she' s finished believing
it. And that is precisely whatwe have to say, no more,
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never again in my case. Thosechains, those chains, they' re
broken. That' s it.There is nothing that unites me in my
individualism. There' s nothing tojoin me in alcohol. There' s
no need. Alcohol is not goodfor you. I' ll never drink
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alcohol again in my life. Itsays Elisa. Happiness is Elisa for having
been sober for a year, alwaysparticipating in the episodes, which I thank
you very much. Juliet, thebest is yet to come. What have
you repeated yourself to such an extentthat you end up believing it, good
or bad. Juliet says the bestis yet to come, and so do
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I believe until the last communication youand I had. I hope the plans
you shared with me have already beenput into practice. If not, I
hope, then you' re alreadya few days away, a few weeks
away from being able to realize it. And that precisely gives meaning to the
one you have shared right now,that the best is to come. And
as well I' m going toadd it to those phrases, to those
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things that I have to repeat asoften as I can. The best is
yet to come. Once we endup getting away with it, once we
believe that we will not briefly doit again in our lives. We'
re already thinking, we can makeplans. That' s another episode I
want to comment on. He'll be here soon, too. We
end up convincing ourselves that there isnothing that can stand in our future.
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We can be making plans without reallythinking today. But wait for me it
' s a long weekend of independencenow. I' ll be drunk,
it' s a wedding, it' s a christening and you say you
don' t know that maybe we' ll leave it for a hundred weeks,
because the truth is I don't even know how I' m
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gonna be and that we start makingplans around our consumption. It hasn'
t happened to me, it hashappened many times that I am thinking with
that obsessive and compulsive mentality. Iknow I say today I have a meeting
on Monday, but I know I' m going through the weekend. Interestingly,
truth and I say you know whatthis Friday to see a party and,
as I know my compulsiveness, mineis drinking for several days in an
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uncontrolled way. Then I have tomove maybe a meeting that I had on
Monday, because I know there's a chance I won' t be
okay for that day. So wemake a plan, we start making plans
about our consumption, about our addictionand the truth about not having the presence
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of alcohol in your life anymore.It gives you the freedom to make whatever
plan you want, from making aplan to improve your physical health, like
doing the exercise you can subscribe tosomewhere, having something in the future in
the next three months, something thatcan change your life in many other ways,
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even seeing the benefits also of alife in sobriety. But anyway,
I' m drifting a lot andI' ve been thinking about that for
a next episode. Jessica Rincón commentson the following when I' ve had
my relapses. She says, Imean, I' m a failure and
I deserve everything bad that happens tome now in my process. I appreciate
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the good and bad that I wentthrough, as I am now my best
version. Thanks to it and there' s Jessica. So I suggest,
as Dr Peter commented on the partI read earlier, Progress is not perfect.
Progress not perfection. The message isalso from anyone who has gone through
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this. Every time we relapse.I do try, I' ve tried
every time from the last two yearsto maybe two years, to really learn
that sounds the best like it doesn' t make much sense. How can
I learn from a relapse if Ifailed. No. No, no,
no, it' s not necessarilya flaw if you give yourself the task
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of really understanding what caused that relapse, what led you to lift that first
glass or serve you that first drink? We have to learn from all this.
Sometimes learning is accepting it and we' ll know when we' re
going to modify it. Sometimes wethink I' ve learned it already I
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' m never gonna do it again. I wish it didn' t work
that way. Truth we can learnand yet stumble upon the same stone.
Every time this presents itself, thenI suggest. I suggest that in case
Jessica re- appears, you becomeconcentrate, in saying, progress, not
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perfection, rise with your head up, look forward and continue to walk in
the direction you have set out foryourself, which is a free life,
completely free of alcohols. If that' s what you have in mind,
thank you and that for participating joelorizo thousand nine hundred and eighty- eight,
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says alcoholism is an incurable disease?He answers the question then what have
you repeated to such an extent thatyou end up believing that alcoholism is an
incurable disease? Joel, I don' t know when you' re in
that process today that you might bedoing. I would like to think the
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truth from my heart and with mybest wishes that this has been part of
the past, that you have repeatedit to yourself, but that you have
already adapted to the best time torealize that it is not incurable. It
' s what I shared at thetime in a meaning that each one will
give to what to be living inlooming or recovering, if you want to
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think of it as living in remission. But you' re not doomed.
No one is condemned to anyone shouldbe condemned to live in this way.
There' s a debate. We' ve said it if that' s
a disease, whether it' sa disease or not, whether it'
s a mental illness, whether it' s a disease, whether it'
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s nothing more of dependence than thegenes than the environment around the house,
and so on. There are manyfactors that affect, benefit or positively or
negatively. Obviously, they are influenced. Alcoholism is an incurable disease. I
don' t believe it right now. I know it' s part of
the speech of or the slogan,that there are other places where they are
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occupied, that is an incurable,progressive and deadly disease. I don'
t consider it. Yes, Iconsider it progressive. No doubt I live
it, I experience it in mortalflesh. No doubt I could also put
it there on the mortal table,because there are many things that can happen
from one' s own point ofview in putting oneself in a complicated situation.
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Well, your body, as wejust mentioned, also reacts after several
years of punishment. Just react ina way that you have to die,
obviously, but the fact that yousay it' s incurable forgiveness, that
you keep insisting that, if youcouldn' t, because then we'
ll be already giving us, givingus the feeling that we' ve already
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lost. I don' t orI don' t know if that'
s the intention. Hellor didn't maybe, my mother had diabetes already
once she gave you diabetes, thattype of diabetes, because you' re
already upset because you' re alreadystaying there. Yeah, I think it
' s inculus but completely manageable.If that' s the sense of your
comment or of people who think thatway, it' s probably or if
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you want to think that it's incurable ahead let' s compare it
to diabetes. So, as longas you do all the things you have
to do as a diabetic, thelow sugar intake, it' s that
you have activities where you can exerciseand control your weight, and so on.
It' s completely manageable and yourlife is going to spread out hugely
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as long as you keep doing thethings you have to do, too.
So, if the comment goes fromincurable, I no longer have options,
I continue until it arrives or incurable. I will do my best to extend
my life as far as I can, because I have to do double the
best that people who do not havethat disease have to do. The survey
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was alcohol, a global epidemic.Twelve people, twelve votes, everyone said
that it is a global epidemic andthe truth is that it is. I
share it. I share it verymuch that we should try, as I
mentioned in that episode. If youhaven' t heard it, mention that
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now that it was the coronavirus pandemic. Everything we did good, I in
particular, if I did, Idon' t know if you did it
not by the time we had toprotect other people who probably had some kind
of condition that put them at riskand sometimes when we didn' t know
what it was, we followed absolutelyall the indications that the doctors told us
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or that the authorities told us.In this part where I find myself,
it was practically to follow completely 100% to prevent people who were insistos acceptable
to the virus from dying from contagion. And there are things that I would
like to compare at this time,as I did in the previous episode,
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with the addiction to alcohologist consumption ofother substances. If we were to pay
as much attention as that to whathas been the consumption of substances. I
believe that not only we would benefit, we would benefit from them, but
obviously all the people around us,because they are as important as us.
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Let me tell you people who livewith you, people who depend on you,
people who love you, people aroundyou who may have already spoken to
you on many occasions that they arehave never come any closer because they are
afraid of the way you are goingto react. I think if we did
all that, we' d beif we didn' t exempt 100%,
because there were people who actually followedall the indications. And yet,
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when you let your guard down,ao, if it were for a minute
maybe, in that minute you exposedsomething that, well, already became your
development of the disease. So herewe wouldn' t have to let our
guard down for a single second againstour addiction to understand that if we drop
that guard we' re giving in. And that would mean for me and
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let down my guard to say becauseI drink one, I drink two,
and because in the case it won' t be or, it won'
t be much. We lower thatguard, it makes us more comfortable to
say good, because as I didonce, I can do it again.
And so when it hits you,I' m telling you, and in
this case you might be the onewho ends up doing something that you'
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ll probably regret for the rest ofyour life. And that, then,
is not good enough. I'm going to say goodbye today. So
I' m telling you, ifyou want to get in touch with me,
you can do it to the e- cohol. Gregory arroba god addiction
com have been pending two chances ofrecording. Unfortunately, for reasons of time
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on my side, I have notbeen able to do so, I have
not been able to do so,but I hope that I will soon be
able to do so. However,regardless, you want to participate, reading
that I read the answers to thequestions I ask ten questions that I regularly
ask people who participate. Please letme know and get me there. Your
e- mail to Gregory with Greekaddiction com and there I' ll be
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sending you back. I suggest thatif you haven' t subscribed to god
addiction' s YouTube page as well, I have it in the future.
Remember, I' m not evenfinishing the podcast or anything. We'
re right now, let' ssay at a stage of mental restructuring.
From my point of view, therewill be a time in the future to
also continue posting exclusive episodes on YouTube. If you haven' t, then
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something please YouTube com diagonal arroba aDios addiction and there gives you directly the
page, where you can also listento all the episodes and see also the
little things that I have done therein video. It' s good.
Remember what people love you? Rememberwhat people love you? Remember what people
you want to see? If youget over your addiction, don' t
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turn your back on them, talkto them head- on and ask them
to help you, it would surpriseyou to see how many people are ready
and willing to give you that hand, to help you, to insist on
what you need so much. Rememberthat if you can be that person who
if it is in you can helpothers, someone who is in need,
who needs that word, friend ofthat hand, who can help him get
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out of the place where he is. Please give yourself the chance, because
I' m sure you' llfeel a lot better when you see that
smiling face, when you see thatword, that person' s words,
thanking you because you were there forhim or for her it comes out good.
My name is Gregori Chiñas and herewe hear each other. In the
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next episode dadios addiction until the nextWow thirty
The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes only and does not attempt
to make a substitute for diagnostic adviceor medical treatment of any kind. Therefore,
please always consult your doctor or otherhealth care professional if you have any
questions about your state of health orhow to treat your addiction. Welcome.
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Welcome again, my name is onGregory Chiñas and, as I always welcome
you to a new episode, episodenumber one hundred and seventy- three of
addiction goodbye that is being recorded onMonday, May 20, year two thousand
twenty- four. As I alwaysthank you, as I said, for
the opportunity you give me to bewith you, to give me a few
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minutes to share with you, somethingI hope can accompany you for the next
few minutes. As I always remindyou, you can contact me at Gregory
' s e- mail at God' s addiction. As you know there
that all the emails that reach meall there are they answered and although I
was a little late in the emailsthat came to me the last few weeks,
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I can tell you today that Ido not owe any, that all
have been answered. So, ifyou want to communicate with me just to
say hello or offer to record,so we can get in touch and record
an episode, or you just wantto answer the questions I regularly ask to
the people who participate. These areten questions. I could send them to
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you by electronic cro and it willbe from you if you want to return
them to me so that I canread them in some future episode. It
' s good. What I wantto talk to you about today. Recovery
requires strength. This is an articlethat I will share with you today only
part of it and the other partwe will be leaving for a next episode.
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It' s three stories, threeways of getting over addiction, one
way longer than the other two.That is why today I will only talk
about the first, which is leadingthe recovery. He made me a better
doctor. That' s what I' ll be sharing with you today.
I' m also going to besharing a recent experience, Friday was a
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funeral, a funeral that again servesas a warning. It serves as a
warning that we have to pay ourbills and above all, if those accounts
have to do with excessive alcohol consumption. Anyway, I hope that' s
what I' m telling you.In the second part and in the last
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part of today' s episode Iwill be telling you about Spotify comments that
people have kindly lent themselves to leavingthem there. In the last episode I
ask you, in the episode newnumber one hundred and seventy- two,
I' ll share you and I' ll give you my views, because
of those four I think we canalso talk pretty good going into matter.
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This article. I found it ina specialized health magazine and it caught my
attention and as I always go tothe house, I' m always looking
to bring something that can serve youtoo or, maybe make you think if
at some point you identify with theperson who has responded or who has participated
in this publication, for example.Well, here I am bringing another one.
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Then I' ll read it toyou continuously, and then at the
end of the extract, I'll be giving you. My opinion.
You think it' s good.Let' s start then. Recovery requires
strength. The journey of an addictionis rarely a straight line, but there
is a power to share the momentsin which that journey bends in a difficult
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direction. In this article, realpeople share where they led the way to
sobriety. People in recovery will tellyou that addiction. It' s not
just neurochemical dependence, intoxicating substances,or emotion- seeking behaviors. Addiction is
also related to control, safety andself- esteem. All the people described
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here overcame the stigma to get helpand, beyond managing their addictions, found
something else. Through a spiritual connection, individualized group therapy counseling, twelve-
step groups or other method, theydiscovered that sobriety was not an end,
but a means to a stronger,happier and healthier life. Here are three
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people who faced their struggles and discoverednew and improved versions of themselves through recovery,
as well as the life lessons fromwhich we can all learn. A
footnote in the article comments that menare more likely to develop a substance abuse
disorder. However, women are morelikely to seek help. The first participation
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is as follows. Recovery. Hemade me a better doctor. Peter Greensbon,
a fifty- eight- year-old Doctor, was the classic and
busy primary care physician, but healso prescribed bicodin. In two thousand and
five he spent ninety days in rehaband has been recovered for fourteen years.
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The doctor says, fifteen or twentyyears ago I really didn' t listen
to people. I was an insecure, arrogant, stressed person who wanted to
take a drug because I was soexhausted that I thought I deserved it.
People susceptible to addiction have a verylow stress tolerance. The moment they feel
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uncomfortable. They take medicine to replacebad feeling with a good feeling. It
can be very irritating to be aprimary care physician. The computer doesn'
t work, the insurance doesn't pay, the patient doesn' t
answer the phone. In the thirdattempt, I try to rethink things and
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remember that I' m lucky tobe able to help people. I have
learned to simply tolerate the feeling ofbeing irritated or frustrated and I have internal
resources that can bring me back toa point centered and in peace. A
friend in rehab used to say it' s a shame you have to ruin
your life completely to get a chanceto reinvent yourself. It' s really
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good to have the opportunity, inthe middle of your life or career,
to reevaluate who you are. Forme a fundamental component of my recovery was
rediscovering who I was and what wasimportant. Not for me what should be
important like being an important doctor ormaking money. The important thing, the
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really important thing, is to bepresent and connect with people and have a
community around health. Recovery is muchmore than not using the drugs that were
messing up my life. Listening topeople, appreciating them, and helping them,
and allowing them to help you requiresa lot of humility and vulnerability.
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That helps you overcome something as exhausting, miserable and destructive as addiction. These
skills are the ones that keep youin recovery. If you don' t
practice them. Shame and emptiness comeback and you' ll need a drug.
But if you practice these things,you' ll be happy and healthy
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and there won' t be roomfor drugs to come back. Recovery is
much more than not using the drugsthat were derailing my life. That is
necessary, but not enough. Recoveryis a complex building. You are restructuring
your life in a way that youcan find joy and satisfaction in all things
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that are not drugs, alcohol,sex game or anything you were using to
fill that void. In reactivation wehad to write a daily list of gratitude,
although I do not like to writeas I do for this I make
a mental list every morning. Iam convinced that there are many reasons to
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be optimistic and grateful. When Ifeel depressed, I say progress, not
perfection, which means you' redoing everything you can to go in the
right direction. We have an obligationto be informed citizens, especially in these
difficult times, but sometimes it isnecessary to take a break and disconnect from
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everything that makes you noise, suchas the news the other day. While
driving home after a day at theclinic, I turned off the news of
the moment and listened to the musicI like the most. This made me
feel better for the rest of theday. Well, so far, Dr.
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Peter, you' ll notice.They' re real people, they
' re people who tell you rightnow like him what he was or what
he' s done what' sserved him. Especially about overcoming the stigma.
As is well commented from the beginning, is to recognize that there are
important things to do still that alsothe satisfaction that we have to give is
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important, but that a much greatersatisfaction on many occasions comes from being able
to approach others, the fact ofgetting close to others, being in communication,
being able to be in direct contactwith other people, whether they are
addicted or not with people in ourcircle who, perhaps they are a little
abandoned because we are or were goingthrough a complicated moment. I believe that
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Communion, as we have discussed onmany occasions, is what can help us
to create that connection and thus avoidfalling back into compulsive or destructive behaviors or
attitudes. There is then again thedoctor' s participation that mentions something that,
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in fact, if you listen tothe podcast in Spotify, on the
new cover of the podcast, Iactually use progress not perfection, because that
' s what I believe in.That' s what I believe, I
' ve believed it for a while, but maybe I didn' t dare
rationalize it that way. We havecommented that relapse is part of the process
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that as long as you stay inthe struggle, as you rise up and
continue to advance, it is preciselythat concept, it is precisely progress,
not perfection. Doesn' t meantomorrow you won' t face complicated issues.
It doesn' t mean that tomorrow' s day for fighting today doesn
' t necessarily mean that you won' t have to face that addiction monster
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again and maybe you' ll endup losing progress, not perfection. The
message is let' s keep fightingthat recovery is going to take quite some
time. There is one person towhom, in fact I keep mentioning that
his brother, that his son alsoseemed to be not only in recovery,
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but compared the situation with having acancer, to say you' re in
remission, you don' t know. Unfortunately, sometimes, with some cancer
then you don' t know ifthey' re coming back, but the
person who went through them has todo everything possible to stay in remission,
not give rise to the cancer toreturn to their body. Then more than
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being in recovery, it would seemthat maybe the goal has already been conquered.
The person best described it as beingin remission, doing everything in our
power to prevent that cancer. Whydon' t you call them disease,
which is addiction, whatever you have, go back to IT. In the
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next episode I' ll be commentingon the title. He' s a
better listener. Chris Mashall, forty- one, who has been sober for
ten years. The text is briefand also redefine the success of fifty-
four- year- old Jason,a hair cutter. Let' s just
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say by cutting to the hair veryimportant personalities, he' ll also be
sharing his experience, as he smokedcrack and consumed methamphetamine. In both cases.
The text is brief, which Iwill be sharing in the next episode.
Please tell me then what do youthink of Peter' s comment being
really close, of listening to people, of focusing on the most important and
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of stopping thinking about banalities or materialthings, but about the most important ones,
which is to approach others. Tellme what do you think then?
There with the information that I sharedtoday from this doctor, well, let
' s then move on to thenext part and note that right now I
mentioned it, the referral and thetalking about cancer, because it' s
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precisely what happened again to a personfrom the close or familiar circle here in
Canada, from my political family tosuccumbing. I don' t know if
saying fortunately, I was thinking lookat you right now is about to say.
Fortunately, he came to live manyyears, which is good, which
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sometimes makes me break my head tobe honest, because I am very afraid
of some illness, but sometimes good. No. Sometimes we don' t
know what the future holds. Youagree, we don' t know.
Sometimes there are people who cut themselvesbeautifully, who take great care of what
they even eat or drink the exerciseand so on and end up, unfortunately,
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because of unknown issues, perhaps anaccident, because of genetic issues,
they end up dying. Yet theyhave done everything that society apparently knows how
to do everything possible for all thosein their hands to extend their lives as
much as they can and result insuccumbing. After all, we do not
know what the future holds for us, and in this case this person,
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he was seventy- five years old. Diagnosed six months ago with liver cancer,
he decided not to go to treatment. He decided to accept that reality
after smoking almost all his life.I don' t know how many cigarette
packs were smoked a day or howlittle you were drinking a day, but
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he voluntarily decided not to go througha chemotherapy process or any kind of treatment
and after six months of being diagnosed, a reminder has passed away about a
year and a fraction ago. Ialso told you about the sensitive death of
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my father- in- law,who also died as a result. Also
a smoker, heavy drinker also diedof cancer every day. In fact,
it was a little worse there becauseit was, in fact, in the
liver, it was in the pancrasand it also went up to his lungs.
It' s a reminder, justa reminder. There is someone who
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could say sixty- nine years,well, because they were already lived in
their time. I did an episodethat was being a happy drunk. I
think I put it because that wasthe title of that person' s letter,
where it said that he, ifhe reached the age of fifty,
what better than already. That wasprofit already the one who was going to
live everything he had to live ashe wanted to live it and, besides
everything, without limitations within which hewas considered to be drinking or any drugs
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that were of his preference at thattime. Then I' d tell him
if I got to 50, well, I don' t want to get
old, I don' t wantto die of old age. Then there
are people who can say sixty-nine years with my father- in-
law well lived or poorly lived,that will depend on each one. My
father also died through or after asuicide. As I told you, it
' s already a time, sixty- nine years, also of age.
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In this case this person seventy-five years old, which really, when
I was coming out of the burialceremony, did go through my head to
say good And how about that maybeI keep doing it, how about that
I' m still good? Forif to the seventy- five men,
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for if it was already we arenow on an international average, probably between
seventy- two, seventy- four, root of the pandemic, that life
expectancy decreased a little bit, butit was more or less in for men
between seventy- five, seventy-six or seven or something like that.
Well, you say that actually thisperson actually came to the life expectancy that
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a man should be regularly coming inat this time. Not then did it
make me think. However, Irealized that it is not only physically reaching
that age, it is also themental, mental health, which we rarely
talk about. It' s whataffects me the most. It doesn'
t mean that physically or physiologically Idon' t suffer any problems after one
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of those days, since c offury, as my friend Ruba says,
either of those weeks that I mighthave to drink compulsively, doesn' t
mean that physically I don' tsuffer, of course, that I suffer
from the lack of sleep for severaldays, the lack of food for several
days and the having nightmares, whichis what he means, from the nightmares
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that are so real, but soreal, that I wake up and I
' m completely stuck, that Ican' t scream, that I feel
that I can' t breathe either. Then it doesn' t mean that
drinking inordinately doesn' t reach me. That' s why. But what
interests me the most at the momentis mental health. It' s how
bad I feel mentally, already atthat moment I was passing the moments of
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guilt, of anguish, of sayingI couldn' t, etcetera, etcetera.
I don' t think it's evolved in many moments, in
many ways, that kind of learningthat I' ve had over time.
So it' s not so muchthat, but rather it' s inherent
to the fact that you' reconsuming in an excessive way. So,
then, for me, physical healthis so important that it does scare a
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cancer, but of those liver canceror pancreatic cancer because it is really two.
They are one or two of themany who can give us men.
Then, rather, it is tomaintain a healthy life, as much as
you can in every way. TodayI shared with you a few weeks ago
that I was in ft. Iwas training to keep training, to keep
running. Retake that in my lifeand that' s what I' m
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still doing today. You have hadvery intense sessions, but in turn,
I very much like having that kindof physical pain, that physical pain caused
by having drunk disproportionately for several days. There' s the update. The
family also recognized very calm, frommy point of view, because they are
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in their right, obviously, becausethey had, however it may be,
six months to prepare for that personto die when the time came, as
they were already mentally minded. Thenit was a less complicated situation than with
mys which was really a three-week diagnosis and a fairly, fairly accelerated
death of almost forty- eight hoursof being from a person to seeing that
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person walking consciously, let' ssay talking, talking, knowing what was
expressed in forty- eight hours hadpassed away. Then they' re one
of those things that the truth hasto make you think about your life.
Not necessarily. I wish, wehad to lose someone to make those approaches.
But if you have the possibility ofsome acquaintance or it' s come
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that you' ve lost a whileago, whether it' s fairly recent,
that could really make you think ifthat' s the way you want
to go. Remember that those whohave left at the time were who we
are and that is the path thatwe are probably following. It will be
up to you to put one uphere a stop and focus probably on what
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' s most important in your life, as I' m doing right now
too, which is trying to letgo of all that ballast. I have
been getting much closer to prayer latelythan at the time, which I carried
out every day for two months.But, as always, we feel better
and forget what made us feel better, now I' ve been taking it
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back and I' ve been askingto break those chains that tie me to
addiction. I understand that this brokenone, that those chains have been broken,
that it depends on me, thatit is up to me to keep
them like that so that they donot come together again, and that they
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will again sink me. So Ihave to do that work now, that
work to keep those chains as theyhave to be broken to nothing, causing
me to sink into negative thoughts,into compulsive and destructive behaviors, truly focusing
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my present, especially my future,on a free life, completely free of
alcohol, that we will be talkingabout that later at that moment I will
also be telling you about the choicesand the currents of alcohol drinks. What
I' m thinking about now,I' ll be sharing it with you
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in the next few episodes. Well, let' s move on to the
final part, to which, infact, I am very grateful to the
people who approached the question I askedyou in episode one hundred and seventy-
two what you have repeated to suchan extent that you end up believing it
was going to give it a negativeconnotation at first, but then I decided
to change the question as such Ialready added. Good or bad, because
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sometimes it' s also true,it' s worth waking up alone the
days and saying this day is goingto be wonderful. And that' s
why they don' t get usout of the truth. Then it may
be good or bad that we exterminateourselves by believing something. Sometimes we focus
so much on the bad, weactually end up thinking that we are also
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incapable, that we are worthless,that we don' t have the strength
we need, etcetera, etcetera.Then we focus so much on the bad
that we leave the good side.And fortunately and fortunately there were answers from
these four who participated, which arepositive. Then I thank you very much
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for the truth and that the truththat I am very pleased that there is
and I have been able to changethe question. Then Elisa Isabel gil Jiménez
ah a shame, because it's twenty- two ten back. It
was the last time I published forgiveness. Elisa Isabel gil Jiménez will never drink
alcohol again in my life. Today, April 29th, a year ago I
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hit bottom and I haven' ttried the alcohol again and I won'
t do it to this one.Then I won' t drink alcohol again
in my life. That' swhat Elisa repeats herself every day, or
has repeated them, or repeated itto her until she' s finished believing
it. And that is precisely whatwe have to say, no more,
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never again in my case. Thosechains, those chains, they' re
broken. That' s it.There is nothing that unites me in my
individualism. There' s nothing tojoin me in alcohol. There' s
no need. Alcohol is not goodfor you. I' ll never drink
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alcohol again in my life. Itsays Elisa. Happiness is Elisa for having
been sober for a year, alwaysparticipating in the episodes, which I thank
you very much. Juliet, thebest is yet to come. What have
you repeated yourself to such an extentthat you end up believing it, good
or bad. Juliet says the bestis yet to come, and so do
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I believe until the last communication youand I had. I hope the plans
you shared with me have already beenput into practice. If not, I
hope, then you' re alreadya few days away, a few weeks
away from being able to realize it. And that precisely gives meaning to the
one you have shared right now,that the best is to come. And
as well I' m going toadd it to those phrases, to those
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things that I have to repeat asoften as I can. The best is
yet to come. Once we endup getting away with it, once we
believe that we will not briefly doit again in our lives. We'
re already thinking, we can makeplans. That' s another episode I
want to comment on. He'll be here soon, too. We
end up convincing ourselves that there isnothing that can stand in our future.
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We can be making plans without reallythinking today. But wait for me it
' s a long weekend of independencenow. I' ll be drunk,
it' s a wedding, it' s a christening and you say you
don' t know that maybe we' ll leave it for a hundred weeks,
because the truth is I don't even know how I' m
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gonna be and that we start makingplans around our consumption. It hasn'
t happened to me, it hashappened many times that I am thinking with
that obsessive and compulsive mentality. Iknow I say today I have a meeting
on Monday, but I know I' m going through the weekend. Interestingly,
truth and I say you know whatthis Friday to see a party and,
as I know my compulsiveness, mineis drinking for several days in an
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uncontrolled way. Then I have tomove maybe a meeting that I had on
Monday, because I know there's a chance I won' t be
okay for that day. So wemake a plan, we start making plans
about our consumption, about our addictionand the truth about not having the presence
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of alcohol in your life anymore.It gives you the freedom to make whatever
plan you want, from making aplan to improve your physical health, like
doing the exercise you can subscribe tosomewhere, having something in the future in
the next three months, something thatcan change your life in many other ways,
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even seeing the benefits also of alife in sobriety. But anyway,
I' m drifting a lot andI' ve been thinking about that for
a next episode. Jessica Rincón commentson the following when I' ve had
my relapses. She says, Imean, I' m a failure and
I deserve everything bad that happens tome now in my process. I appreciate
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the good and bad that I wentthrough, as I am now my best
version. Thanks to it and there' s Jessica. So I suggest,
as Dr Peter commented on the partI read earlier, Progress is not perfect.
Progress not perfection. The message isalso from anyone who has gone through
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this. Every time we relapse.I do try, I' ve tried
every time from the last two yearsto maybe two years, to really learn
that sounds the best like it doesn' t make much sense. How can
I learn from a relapse if Ifailed. No. No, no,
no, it' s not necessarilya flaw if you give yourself the task
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of really understanding what caused that relapse, what led you to lift that first
glass or serve you that first drink? We have to learn from all this.
Sometimes learning is accepting it and we' ll know when we' re
going to modify it. Sometimes wethink I' ve learned it already I
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' m never gonna do it again. I wish it didn' t work
that way. Truth we can learnand yet stumble upon the same stone.
Every time this presents itself, thenI suggest. I suggest that in case
Jessica re- appears, you becomeconcentrate, in saying, progress, not
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perfection, rise with your head up, look forward and continue to walk in
the direction you have set out foryourself, which is a free life,
completely free of alcohols. If that' s what you have in mind,
thank you and that for participating joelorizo thousand nine hundred and eighty- eight,
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says alcoholism is an incurable disease?He answers the question then what have
you repeated to such an extent thatyou end up believing that alcoholism is an
incurable disease? Joel, I don' t know when you' re in
that process today that you might bedoing. I would like to think the
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truth from my heart and with mybest wishes that this has been part of
the past, that you have repeatedit to yourself, but that you have
already adapted to the best time torealize that it is not incurable. It
' s what I shared at thetime in a meaning that each one will
give to what to be living inlooming or recovering, if you want to
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think of it as living in remission. But you' re not doomed.
No one is condemned to anyone shouldbe condemned to live in this way.
There' s a debate. We' ve said it if that' s
a disease, whether it' sa disease or not, whether it'
s a mental illness, whether it' s a disease, whether it'
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s nothing more of dependence than thegenes than the environment around the house,
and so on. There are manyfactors that affect, benefit or positively or
negatively. Obviously, they are influenced. Alcoholism is an incurable disease. I
don' t believe it right now. I know it' s part of
the speech of or the slogan,that there are other places where they are
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occupied, that is an incurable,progressive and deadly disease. I don'
t consider it. Yes, Iconsider it progressive. No doubt I live
it, I experience it in mortalflesh. No doubt I could also put
it there on the mortal table,because there are many things that can happen
from one' s own point ofview in putting oneself in a complicated situation.
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Well, your body, as wejust mentioned, also reacts after several
years of punishment. Just react ina way that you have to die,
obviously, but the fact that yousay it' s incurable forgiveness, that
you keep insisting that, if youcouldn' t, because then we'
ll be already giving us, givingus the feeling that we' ve already
(31:45):
lost. I don' t orI don' t know if that'
s the intention. Hellor didn't maybe, my mother had diabetes already
once she gave you diabetes, thattype of diabetes, because you' re
already upset because you' re alreadystaying there. Yeah, I think it
' s inculus but completely manageable.If that' s the sense of your
comment or of people who think thatway, it' s probably or if
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you want to think that it's incurable ahead let' s compare it
to diabetes. So, as longas you do all the things you have
to do as a diabetic, thelow sugar intake, it' s that
you have activities where you can exerciseand control your weight, and so on.
It' s completely manageable and yourlife is going to spread out hugely
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as long as you keep doing thethings you have to do, too.
So, if the comment goes fromincurable, I no longer have options,
I continue until it arrives or incurable. I will do my best to extend
my life as far as I can, because I have to do double the
best that people who do not havethat disease have to do. The survey
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was alcohol, a global epidemic.Twelve people, twelve votes, everyone said
that it is a global epidemic andthe truth is that it is. I
share it. I share it verymuch that we should try, as I
mentioned in that episode. If youhaven' t heard it, mention that
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now that it was the coronavirus pandemic. Everything we did good, I in
particular, if I did, Idon' t know if you did it
not by the time we had toprotect other people who probably had some kind
of condition that put them at riskand sometimes when we didn' t know
what it was, we followed absolutelyall the indications that the doctors told us
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or that the authorities told us.In this part where I find myself,
it was practically to follow completely 100% to prevent people who were insistos acceptable
to the virus from dying from contagion. And there are things that I would
like to compare at this time,as I did in the previous episode,
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with the addiction to alcohologist consumption ofother substances. If we were to pay
as much attention as that to whathas been the consumption of substances. I
believe that not only we would benefit, we would benefit from them, but
obviously all the people around us,because they are as important as us.
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Let me tell you people who livewith you, people who depend on you,
people who love you, people aroundyou who may have already spoken to
you on many occasions that they arehave never come any closer because they are
afraid of the way you are goingto react. I think if we did
all that, we' d beif we didn' t exempt 100%,
because there were people who actually followedall the indications. And yet,
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when you let your guard down,ao, if it were for a minute
maybe, in that minute you exposedsomething that, well, already became your
development of the disease. So herewe wouldn' t have to let our
guard down for a single second againstour addiction to understand that if we drop
that guard we' re giving in. And that would mean for me and
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let down my guard to say becauseI drink one, I drink two,
and because in the case it won' t be or, it won'
t be much. We lower thatguard, it makes us more comfortable to
say good, because as I didonce, I can do it again.
And so when it hits you,I' m telling you, and in
this case you might be the onewho ends up doing something that you'
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ll probably regret for the rest ofyour life. And that, then,
is not good enough. I'm going to say goodbye today. So
I' m telling you, ifyou want to get in touch with me,
you can do it to the e- cohol. Gregory arroba god addiction
com have been pending two chances ofrecording. Unfortunately, for reasons of time
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on my side, I have notbeen able to do so, I have
not been able to do so,but I hope that I will soon be
able to do so. However,regardless, you want to participate, reading
that I read the answers to thequestions I ask ten questions that I regularly
ask people who participate. Please letme know and get me there. Your
e- mail to Gregory with Greekaddiction com and there I' ll be
(36:14):
sending you back. I suggest thatif you haven' t subscribed to god
addiction' s YouTube page as well, I have it in the future.
Remember, I' m not evenfinishing the podcast or anything. We'
re right now, let' ssay at a stage of mental restructuring.
From my point of view, therewill be a time in the future to
also continue posting exclusive episodes on YouTube. If you haven' t, then
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something please YouTube com diagonal arroba aDios addiction and there gives you directly the
page, where you can also listento all the episodes and see also the
little things that I have done therein video. It' s good.
Remember what people love you? Rememberwhat people love you? Remember what people
you want to see? If youget over your addiction, don' t
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turn your back on them, talkto them head- on and ask them
to help you, it would surpriseyou to see how many people are ready
and willing to give you that hand, to help you, to insist on
what you need so much. Rememberthat if you can be that person who
if it is in you can helpothers, someone who is in need,
who needs that word, friend ofthat hand, who can help him get
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out of the place where he is. Please give yourself the chance, because
I' m sure you' llfeel a lot better when you see that
smiling face, when you see thatword, that person' s words,
thanking you because you were there forhim or for her it comes out good.
My name is Gregori Chiñas and herewe hear each other. In the
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next episode dadios addiction until the nextWow thirty
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