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Extracto de la carta de María:
...Soy una mujer de 50 años que ha estado bebiendo alcohol a diario desde los 25. Y desde hace 5 más o menos, estoy “luchando” con todo este mundo interno de “soy o no soy alcóholica? en qué aspectos me está perjudicando? voy a intentar no beber 3 días, o voy a beber menos, etc etc etc”.
En 2022 dejé de beber 3 meses, y volví porque consideré que “no tenía tantos problemas”, para luego volver a un consumo diario que no me hace sentir nada bien...
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Extracto de la carta de María:
...Soy una mujer de 50 años que ha estado bebiendo alcohol a diario desde los 25. Y desde hace 5 más o menos, estoy “luchando” con todo este mundo interno de “soy o no soy alcóholica? en qué aspectos me está perjudicando? voy a intentar no beber 3 días, o voy a beber menos, etc etc etc”.
En 2022 dejé de beber 3 meses, y volví porque consideré que “no tenía tantos problemas”, para luego volver a un consumo diario que no me hace sentir nada bien...
El podcast de Adiós Adicción y todas las personas que directa o indirectamente participan en el, NO BRINDAN ASESORÍA MÉDICA.
La información compartida en este podcast es solo para fines informativos y no intenta sustituir a los consejos, diagnósticos o tratamientos médicos de ningún tipo. Por lo tanto consulta a tu médico o a otro profesional de salud si es que tienes alguna duda sobre tu estado de salud o de el como tratar tu adicción.
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The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes only and you do not
try to replace diagnostic advice or medicaltreatment of any kind. Therefore, please
always consult your doctor or other healthcare professional, if you have any doubts
about your state of health or howto treat your addiction. Welcome. Welcome
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again, my name is on GregoryChiñas and, as always you, I
welcome a new episode of goodbye addiction, episode number one hundred and seventy-
five that is being recorded on Sunday, June 16, year two thousand twenty
- four. As always, Iappreciate very much the opportunity you give me
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to be here with you today.In case this is the first time you
visit me, let me tell youthat I am a person who for many
years, who for many years hadsome problem with the compulsive abuse of alcohol
in my life appeared quite gradually fromthe twenty- one years until the moment
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where I am now almost twenty-five years later, little by little,
as the good friend alcohol knows it, little by little it gets into our
lives. And there came a timefor me that already that impulsiveness was too
difficult to control. And for aboutsix years now when I started this podcast,
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when finally the candle was getting outof my eyes little by little and
sometimes fighting with that same addiction becauseshe addiction wanted me to put that veil
up in my face again I wouldwish it down and so we had been,
or we had been fighting for aboutsix years until recently I decided for
many reasons and for being in amoment in my life that allows me to
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say it up here no more,no more opening the door, the window
or the slightest loophole to addiction.So, I can tell you right now
that addiction, in my case,is part of the past. But that
' s not just coming. Let' s talk to you here. To
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Chat here with you forgive the topicsthat are shared by other people who are
in that process or stories, whetherit is published in Internet articles, in
magazines, or that other people makeme come by the means that maybe you
already know if in case, youdon' t know it, but you
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want to contact me as always Iinvite you, make me reach an email,
to the Gregory conig Gregory mail arrobafarewell addiction com and with all pleasure.
We' ll be getting in touchthere. If you want to participate,
share your story, some message liketoday' s that, by the
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way, I' ll be withyou. I have not told you what
the episode is going to be abouttoday is going to be quite brief updates,
but also an email from Mary whohas written me from Spain and something
very interesting, something the truth thatI am very interested in sharing with you,
because Mary is an age and aplace and and a moment let'
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s say of her life that Ibelieve that maybe you can identify with it
I have never necessarily broken down.What kind of listeners there are here on
podcasts and on pages, on YouTubepage as well, but it' s
practically Mary' s age and thingslet' s say they happen to her.
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He' s practically the person who' s focused on this podcast.
I' m already getting a lotinvolved, but good to get that moment
to share you, if it's the case you want to contact me,
as I was telling you. Doit to Gregory Arroba bye addiction com
and I know, like Maria,that I shared this text that I'
m going to talk to you today. There are also questions, the questions
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that regularly answer people participating in thepodcast, that I have two people who
have kindly already answered it to me, that I am waiting for nothing more
to be able to confirm either adate to be able to record or that
maybe come and read the questions.That is also the way it can be
done. That' s one moreway you can participate in case you'
re interested. It' s good. Let' s get started. I
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always have the pressure that I haveto get to the point and right now,
I' ve been practically four minutesand I don' t get to
the point. Oh, my God, Gregorio, what' s going on
here. With you, the usualtruth. Anyway, Maria tells me the
following. In fact, I promisedhim I' d answer him in an
episode. So you' ve beenvery patient, because this e- mail
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sent it to me on May 26th. In fact, on the 26th of
May Gar did it to me Hereplied to her that in his time it
would take me the time to answerit in an audio and that is precisely
what I am doing right now.She comments on my name is Maria.
I' m Spanish. I'm a 50- year- old woman
who' s been drinking alcohol everyday since she was twenty- five and
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for five or so. I'm struggling with this whole inner world of
I am or I' m notan alcoholic. You wonder, Maria,
in what respects you are hurting me. I' m gonna try not to
drink three days, or I'm gonna drink less, etcetera, etcetera.
That' s what Mary has raisedin the last five years, in
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two thousand twenty- two, shesays, I stopped drinking for three months
and came back because I considered thatI didn' t have so many problems
in quotation marks and then go backto a daily consumption that doesn' t
make me feel anything good. Amonth ago I started reading and searching for
information of all kinds and found you. I have listened to almost every episode
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and have helped me a lot topose and maintain abstinence from curiosity, learning,
open mind. This position works muchbetter for me than giving all the
weight to the force of will.I' m in this process 11 days
ago. It' s costing mea lot more than the last time,
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maybe because in two thousand twenty-two I was euphoric by the pink cloud
of getting days. I' venever done it before and this time it
just costs me. But I definitelywant to learn how to manage things from
somewhere else. Look for tools Iknow I have, but when I have
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alcohol nearby I no longer use.I' ve been on antidepressants for four
years and that' s another thingI want to check. Depression leads me
to alcohol, or maybe it's vice versa, no matter what the
order, it doesn' t helpat all. I' m sure he
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' s got the reward system soupset about alcohol. Maybe that' s
why I can' t get excitedor enjoy anything. As explained in the
book disneyke Ad Mind, my psychiatristsays that sometimes the medication does not work
and we drink alcohol, even ifit is not in very large quantities,
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worse to depression, etcetera, etcetera. I was undersigned to jam Sover.
I don' t know if thegroup can still be accessed. My user
is such a good guy. Shetells me there in case you could add
it to me. Thank you somuch for everything and a big hug Gregory
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Maria good. There we are thenlet' s start talking about things.
I think there' s very,very, very good material here to talk
about. I' m gonna startback and forth,' cause that'
s what I remember the most.Right now. There is something very important
to tell from the application to iamSover, as I announced practically a year
ago, that a group had beenopened that had at the time been asked
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by several people to have a groupof Whatsapp, etcetera, etcetera. Well,
I actually encouraged myself to make agroup out of the application to jam
Sover. I paid the subscription fora year so that I could create a
group and although there were certain peoplewho added and asked me to do so,
we never even reached twenty and thetruth little by little, like good
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mentality and obsessive personality, addictive withdistractions in the world, because it was
sidelined. So, never in fact, did it really explode or keep exploring
it Even so, the people whochecked in have always had access to me
and whenever it comes to someone andasked me during that year to add it,
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I gladly did. However, thatperiod that I paid for a year
to or will be coming to anend in no more than two weeks.
So, if you' re partof that group and at some point you
can' t access it in thenext two weeks, take it for granted
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that that' s the reason.In any case, you listen at any
time, whether it is the yeartwo thousand twenty- four or any year
that comes in the future that application. For the moment we will be using
rather the group that believes in thatapplication called addiction goodbye will no longer be
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open. However, if, inany case, some things change and I
opened it again, I will alsobe reporting it through this medium. Well,
once you' ve told that interestingabout what Maria says. Well,
to be honest, I hope thatthe formal name faith Maria will not escape
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me, because she has asked meto call her Mary, although her name
is different, although it is ofSpanish nationality. And the same thing I
want to take advantage of you totell you that, if in any case,
you want to contact me and youwant your privacy to remain completely anonymous,
obviously, your anonymous name, youranonymous place, etcetera. That'
s how we' re doing it. It doesn' t matter, you
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don' t have to create anemail there, kind of weird, half
- smoked to try and hide yourname, etcetera. Don' t worry,
use your email name. The addressyou use normally just tell me Gregory.
Please, I don' t wantto use my name. Call me
whatever you want or call me thisway and say my root, my country
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of birth, forgiveness, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The
country where I' m rooting forforgiveness. So it' s like Mary
did in this case. That's what he asked me to do,
and that' s what I'm doing. I' m sharing exclusively
what she told me. Well,finally fifty years. For twenty- five
years she has been suffering from thisdisease. That' s why I told
you about illness is calling it something. I don' t want to go
into details and it' s adisease or not. But good with this
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addiction, with this little problem orproblem, what is alcohol consumption. Similar
to what I told you at thebeginning of my part precisely twenty- five
years and very similar to her,who says that for five years I was
struggling even with the idea of whetherit is bad, if it is good,
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if I control it, if Ican' t control it, if
I just the end of weeks andonly on special occasions, that maybe nothing
more than a day than maybe thetype of drink, that if it'
s alcohol, strong, that's just beer, that' s just
wine. Look, don' tfeel bad, Mary or you who listen
to me right now, because it' s a very natural thing to do.
Which is why all or the vastmajority of us are going through is
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trying to convince ourselves, on theone hand, that we don' t
have a problem and, on theother hand, that if we do,
we can control it. It's completely natural. It' s a
journey that many people have a longway to go, some people have a
short time to go. To me, as I told you at the beginning
of this episode about six years,until I truly said there were still very
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honorable occasions in the course of thosedis years where I said no. The
truth is, I' ve alreadyhad the revelation, I' ve dreamed
about it, I' ve seenmyself et cetera. I know I won
' t do it and yet,still inside me hopeful, very deep inside
of me hoping that maybe I wouldarrive that day where I was going to
be able to control it or maybeI would be able to hide that feeling
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in such a way, That's that desire I was going to hide
it at such a time, tosuch an extent that even I was going
to forget about it, accepting thatfrom time to time it was going to
present itself and it was when,maybe I was going to have to succumb
to that temptation. Then don't worry about it. Understand that it
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is a process as long as youcontinue with that process as long as you
want to give and continue to giveopportunity to that process. There is a
great advantage that we have people thatwe have decided to change, which is
for some something that, perhaps,is a benefit, perhaps, to others
mortifies. And what do I meanby this? I mean, once we
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see the problem it' s veryvery complicated, but it' s probably
impossible for us to stop seeing it, because I mean with this, I
mean there' s a lot ofpeople who drink, a lot of people
who consume let' s say sociallyand it never goes through their heads and
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they' re going to say bythe mind that they have a problem.
Maybe they say you know nothing else. The night before he lived a little
too much, because there is badhangover or bad raw. But the next
one will see what happens. Theydon' t go through them for some
time that they have a problem,that they' re drinking too much in
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a way that they' re alreadyclassified as, maybe they have a substance
consumption disorder. It doesn' tgo through their minds. But once it
passes through them, as it wasto me six years ago, like that
weed, probably five years ago.It' s very complicated that we leave
and get back to that feeling orthat feeling. I don' t have
a problem with that. Welcome tothat one and also to my respects the
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one who stays on that path oncehe is trying to overcome addiction or the
consumption of substances. If you're at that moment, don' t
be discouraged, if you can't control it yet, don' t
mind too much, that if youhave to start, that if you stumble,
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that if you slip, that ifyou slip, that if eleven days,
that if thirty days, don't worry. Keep getting up.
As well, at some point Iposted an image on Instagram, on the
page they did Instagram selection and thatsaid as you wake up once more just
once more of the times you fallyou will then follow the right path.
You don' t think I'm up. So it doesn' t
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matter that in this case, likeMary, who stopped drinking for three months
some time ago, if it's over the pink cloud, it'
s completely real. Sometimes when we' re convinced. It happened to me
a lot of times. Last weekI came to tell you here that that
pink cloud thing, even maybe Iwas just wanting to think that it wasn
' t affecting me how I feelor how you felt a week of saying
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oh, I' m so excited, so excited, I feel so in
control that I' m never goingto drink in my life anymore. And
that' s very well known.There are many people who happen to be
that that motivation, in a lotof sense, carried by the hand by
the willpower, is known as pinkcloud and once you cross that pink cloud
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that time that for some is morethan for some is less, we tend
to return to see the difficulties thattruth life gives us already use the tools
that we have had to face itthat, in this case, in many
cases, is the consumption of substances. So, if you' re crossing
that pink cloud, you' venever crossed it Enjoy it. Do a
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lot of things you want to dothat you haven' t been able to
do all the time. Maybe before, to that pink cloud, stay cheerful,
stay active, Maybe that pink cloudcan spread as much as you can
by holding hands with Maybe encourage youto ask for some kind of psychological assistance,
some kind of group help assistance,some visit, alcoholics anonymous goodbye addiction.
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I was going to tell you someanonymous alcoholic visits take refuge in the
spirituality of going to church. Spreadit out, spread it out, spread
it out, and hopefully, younever have to get out of that pink
cloud because, after all, onceyou' re done understanding and finally overcoming
that part of addiction. Why notthink that we can live permanently and eternally
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in pink, because we no longerhave to face the misery of getting up,
thinking about what we did yesterday.Why not think that pink cloud isn
' t really a rube. It' s a cloud, if it'
s a pink life. It wouldnot be excellent to be able to change
that image and perception that we haveof a pink life, a pink or
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pink life as in places, asthere are Persians who say. Oh,
I leave it to me. Iwish I could tell you I' m
not living a pink cloud anymore.I' m living a pink life.
With that intention of saying the thingsthat come, I will face them.
It does not mean that there isno suffering, that perhaps there will be
no complications or challenges to overcome.As in all life, we do not
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have the life bought or insured,nor will the problems disappear by magic,
just because we are now giving tothe face, to our addictions or to
our compulsiveness. However, by beingand the subject, having the mind sane,
by having the mind clean, byhaving the mind open, by having
the mind without being in your wave, we can feel more, but also
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act more thoughts that can truly leadus to a good end. Now to
manage emotions, also to learn howhelp if it is presented to us as
in this case Mary, through thebest of medication, that of antidepressants,
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something that I want to comment toyou once I finish telling you Maria,
the truth is that it is alittle delicate. I certainly won' t
have the nerve to tell you whatto do right now. However, by
popular knowledge, not even general knowledge. By popular knowledge, it is known
that if you take any kind ofmedication, some of them will not have
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any effect, will have a minoreffect or will react in some way with
your own body that, perhaps,the reaction or symptoms that you are going
to have are not so desired.So, if I suggest that if in
any case you are ingesting any substance, maybe you will develop some kind of
medication problem that you are also takingthat if you are completely open or open
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with your doctor so that they bettertell you the directions, it is better
for you. I know the truthnot to put you at a greater unnecessary
risk that it will perhaps be tocombine a medication that should not be combined
with some substance, as in thiscase alcohol. I' d rather not
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take the medication the day I'm going to drink, because if not,
maybe it' s a much biggerproblem and you don' t take
it from this as a council.That' s what I' m thinking
as a person who doesn' thave medication in my life and I feel
that maybe it' s one wouldbe a probably still responsible way to obviously
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stop taking medication. Hopefully, Ihope you can, as I also say
at the beginning of the episodes,refer to the doctor who is treating you
or the people who are helping youon this path to give you better advice
and tell you really what can happennow. The fact that you' re
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excited looks. I believe that suchan allusion should always exist, that allusion
of at some point actually being free, should be an illusion of motivation,
should keep us in that struggle.If at some point it was three months
and you think it won' tbe possible now, continue anyway notice that
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already I, as I' veshared it before, have always been overweight
since childhood. He was a fatboy and always and not always had very
definite or definite moments in my lifeto lose weight, as I remember that
the first time I did it wasat eighteen years old, in three months
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I had fallen to error of twentykilos and after spending several years where I
went again, gradually and incrementally,gaining weight, gaining weight, nado peso,
until I had to do it again. And I remember in that moment
and life, in the middle ofmy 30s that said no more I won
' t be able to. Well, I won' t be able to
do it again. I did thatbecause I was eighteen hours old, I
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' m twice as old as Iam, you get harder, then you
even have to try. True then, oh surprise greater dedication, probably than
what I did when I was eighteeninstead of three months, for it took
me six months, but it wasnot twenty. It was twenty- six
kilos that I went down, whichfrom there taught me that as long as
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we intend to do it and havethe tools we need, we will always
be able to get ours. Butit must be understood that our mentality also
evolves, that our reality evolves,and our body is reality, is part
of that reality. Our mind ispart of that reality. Maybe a year
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or two ago your reality was different, which you probably needed less motivation or
less than leverage to get your goalyou wanted now your reality is possibly different.
You may have to ask yourself whatother tools you' ll have to
use now, how long it's also going to take to achieve that
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goal. It may take longer,but as long as, if we stay
focused, as I repeat and repeatit eaty, we will be able to
achieve that goal. Don' tfall, don' t give up.
Continue to arm yourself with the toolsyou have to arm yourself in order to
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ensure victory and I am sure youwill be able to carry it out.
The tools are modified. It's not the same thing, it'
s not the same thing that youwere five or ten years ago to the
person you are at this time andthere should be no stigma, there shouldn
' t be fear in using medicine, approaching groups or places that you'
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ve never been for the simple factof having a higher life, without necessarily
thinking about the one that they'll actually say come out of the clouset
of addiction, as I even dedicateda complete episode to talking about it.
Well, there' s my answers. Then, Mary, I hope I
have you, for I do notmean served by something true rather. I
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hope you' ve kept that partof my promise. Having commented I think
there are many very interesting things.Most people who listen to this podcast I
' ve said before, are aboutforty- five to fifty years old.
Older people sometimes seek help for theirchildren or for themselves. There are also
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younger people of that rank that Itell you without a doubt also because the
doors are open for anyone who wantsto participate and who feels identified. There
have been, as you well know, people like Liliana at the beginning of
the podcast before episode twenty, beinga young woman, at that time she
participated, She participated her boyfriend andother people and a friend. Then all
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the young people were also there beingable to participate. Therefore, this is
a forum that is open to allthose who want to participate. So,
hopefully you' ll come to identifyin some way with any topic that'
s being discussed here, and withouta doubt, you' d like to
talk to someone else who' slistening. Please do it, because you
never know when you can change someone' s life and you can do it
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you already know through a coblectronic.Send me your comments, like Mary answering
the questions, and also ask theinterviewees to either read them or encourage you,
encouraging you to record a said episode. To that there are two people,
as I told you at the beginning, who very kindly contacted me and
who have asked me to be ableto record that episode that should only be
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coordinated with them that I, however, have no problem. I think I
say those names that is raul andthat is Vladimir to them two I wish
and soon we will agree so thatwe can record that episode. The two
of them have already answered the questionsthat, in the vast majority of cases,
is the filter that I put andalready once they answer it, that
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gives me to think that they arereally interested in participating. Then I want
to give the two of you achance and you know holstering that you'
re also there on an offer fora while also waiting for that opportunity.
Remember that my thing right now isto be adjusting to this lifestyle again,
adjusting to things I want to enjoyto new challenges. I told you last
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week. Well, that' sall I want to do. We are
entering the second part of the episode, where I will be telling you all
the scrolls that have happened to me, including news from my wife, which
I also told you in the previousepisode. And if you want to come
with me, welcome, if itdoesn' t make sense of anything I
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' m going to help you say, then the truth is thank you so
much for being here with me.I' m waiting for you next week
to join me in a new,new episode, with a new tea,
with a new theme and so,you know you can contact me. Well,
let' s continue with the personalupdate I want to make on this
case. I already forgot a littlewhat I was saying, but I was
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adjusting. Forgive these new challenges tothis lifestyle that I want to carry that
there are still many, many questionsto answer, many activities to think about
and carry out. Today was presentedthe opportunity to record because, unfortunate or
fortunately, because we also need therain, because it has been raining since
yesterday in a fairly large way Andwell, there was no chance of making
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plans And I said, well,what better plan than to come and give
them an update. Answer Mary andgive them an update to you who listen
to me. It was a trip, last week' s trip, very
tired, very productive. I wentto the city of Houston, in Texas,
in the United States. I hadthe opportunity of a four- hour
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break. The truth is that arather interesting topic And why I want to
share this with you, because thereare two very important things for me that
I want to take advantage of.One, face the things you' re
afraid of. Sometimes you won't have another one, you won'
t have another one. You haveto face that uncomfortable moment, maybe that
situation where you have to say somethingthat probably isn' t entirely pleasing to
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the person you' re listening to, that you might have to ask,
think and consider, to change yourlife, to look for some other opportunity,
to emigrate to another city, toall that kind of things that we
' re afraid of and don't do because we' re petrified,
because we don' t know whatthe future brings us, what could that
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future bring? I mean, that' s, like, two of my
big fears I' ve been havingfor a while. It' s one
I' ve shared, it's flying and, well, I'
m happy to share with you rightnow that, fortunately, flying has been
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slowing down. The fear that Ihave of that, of that activity,
does still come to me some anxiety. It would be very foolish to tell
you that I am not sorry,but I realize, even after this last
trip, that even turbulence, whichis the one that kept me always on
the slope and thinking that the planewas going to fall, because it can
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already be said that it no longeraffects me. Well, I don'
t want to say that anything necessarilywill, it will affect me, because
I still don' t face somethingthat I' m brazen about. As
the news knows that there are evenpeople who hurt themselves so badly that it
is, but it certainly does notaffect me as much as it did before
to a degree that I can considerat least at this moment. Therefore,
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the opportunities that life presents to meof still being able to fly, whether
I decide, to make a visitto some place or for cohesion of work,
I will certainly be taking them,because it will be the only way
that I can overcome that fear thatbinds to the second fear. More than
fear, it' s more likeuncomfortable, like a fear of being judged,
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like a fear of always trying,not being exposed. Let' s
say what people can say, curiously, after coming, to talk, after
a hundred and a hundred I feel, after one hundred and seventy episodes,
if one gave addiction almost one hundredand eighty. It won' t seem
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too silly for me to tell youthat I have, that I have certain
reservations when people listen to me,but let me tell you something. I
don' t mean when I speakSpanish. I mean when I speak English.
That being said, I' vesaid it a lot today, said
to that. Forgive me for thatpart of the course I went to take
America, which was a course.What I was had to do some activities
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where if I had been the sameperson who was me, he would always
wait for me until those all passedby and that no longer really try to
make me small, although I amnot trying to make me little bowl me
to stick it down the desk sothat they did not select me, to
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move on to do some activities andI consciously decided not to do it?
I consciously decided to say I'm not going to? I want to
be someone else, I want toface those nins and voluntarily, in fact,
I offered myself to those activities andnot to be the second, to
be the first, because always onoccasions you also say no, because maybe
someone will do it first and thenI see if it works, if it
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works, because I' m coming. And if it doesn' t work,
and I see that we have tochange, because already learning from that,
then I go, I don't go first and I promise you
that there is no arrogance or anythinghere. It is always simply to face
that fear. In fact, Itold the person I had to make a
team with. I told him youlet me go first because I looked and
explained to him. In fact,I' ve always been subconsciously not participating
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in this for all that' sokay with you. If I go first
already once the person agreed, Isaid go ahead okay, then let'
s say I feel very happy.Or I was very happy and I am
still very happy for the simple factthat I was able to bring down that
fear as well. And what itteaches you is that nothing happens that once
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you face those situations, there's nothing you can give me you can
see things that are so bad.But in theory let' s say that
if it' s not something sobad that if it' s something that
nothing else affects us positively, thatthat' s going to happen, then,
which is positivity, it will continueand come. And then from there,
there is nothing left but to developthat muscle again. Let' s
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say you' re going to allowme, in other situations where I hadn
' t, where, maybe Iwouldn' t have made myself available for
someone else to invite me or tellme something that would invite me to participate.
I mean or, maybe I'll shine by my own light.
Let' s just say because Iwas always afraid of a lot of things,
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well that' s not happening anymore. Then the same thing. I
want to ask you people that wesuffer from some disorder, because I consume
substances or well known as alcoholism,or drugs, addiction, etcetera, etcetera.
We' re always people. Inmany cases we are very sensitive people,
very, very, very sensitive.If I don' t say it,
clinical studies say it, so wedon' t want to expose ourselves
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to that feedback. We think they' re going to be judged. We
' re actually thinking that things aregoing to be wrong and that we prefer
to avoid them and that that's why we don' t even go
to the darkest corner. And therewe stay until, until, then,
they already have to pass. True, give yourself the opportunity to live experiences,
give yourself the opportunity to face thosefears, give yourself the opportunity to
move forward. I suggest it toyou the truth, because I am going
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to keep doing it and now Ihope to open up precisely for that very
same reason new doors, new opportunities, new paths that at that moment I
am still deciding comes out then thatI want to share it with you,
because I know that it is veryimportant for all of us who are or
were. Some are still trying notto shine with our own light. We
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' re afraid to teach ourselves theway we are and believe me. There
are not many bad things, butone and today one of them is living
in hiding, living in the innerdarkness, living in that darkness, emotional
darkness, where we are repressing ourselvesand hiding ourselves. And when we give
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ourselves the opportunity to put out whatwe truly think, truly how we are,
what we feel, we have achance for people to truly understand us,
if in case they have to understandus from some things that we have
kept for ourselves alone. Then giveyourself a chance to be you Give yourself
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a chance not to think about beingjudged. Give yourself a chance not to
think that maybe you' re gonnado a piece of paper. Don'
t worry. Once you do,you' re going to realize the happiness
that the plain can bring, havethat weight on your shoulders, that you
can truly be you and that otherpeople want whoever they want, that these
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are the ones that truly apare you, they love you have esteem, they
' re going to understand what you' ve had to do or what you
' re doing, because truly,you' re finally going to show yourself
as you are. Okay. Thatis then part of the talk and my
stuff that I want to share withyou my personal things as there was no,
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as there were no comments from Spotifybecause I didn' t leave a
question from Spotify. By the way, if I don' t leave a
question to Spotify, don' tbe bad or bad. Please leave something.
Not if only to know that ifyou heard that, in fact,
last week I thought the truth wasgoing to generate a little bit more excitement
about the episode because of the subjectthat I touched the fact that I told
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my wife how I felt I wastalking about having that value truth, that
is, things that we don't. Joel said thank you so much
for your comment. It' spublished. Joel told me that brave Gregor.
That' s what I hope you' ll go on and get support.
I quit, too. Greetings.Thank you very much, José,
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thank you very much. As afinal part of the episode, I was
reading today to share with you thatof the good news that I received once
I returned home, is to seemy wife also focused on her recovery,
in doing things for her mental health. Like Mary, like other people who
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have kindly contacted me through the podcast. Medication is part of that recovery.
We wouldn' t have to thinkit was a bad thing. We no
longer live in those dark times wherewe thought medicine was for kids and everyone
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was crazy and if you were,then I better take you to the sanatorium
because you' re not a normalperson. I think that should happen.
Well, I don' t thinkI' m convinced that that should happen
that we' ll have to raiseour hands and ask for that kind of
help if we really want to dosomething with our lives that fills us more
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and in that case, my wifeis what she' s doing, so
I suggest that, if that's the case, you also have that
kind of problem. Mental health isimportant. She' s starting her medication
since last week' s weeks andnot only that. I think that from
that clarity that the medication is givingyou, it was a very, very,
very pleasant surprise yesterday that you showedan app on your phone, where
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let' s say that the jam- sover but steroid application, which is
practically a combination of help among theparticipants of that application, but also with
specialists who are inside that application.And now that, in fact, yesterday
we virtually attended a meeting very muchlike what would become a one, a
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meeting of anonymous alcoholics with people,listening to a person talking about a subject,
in this case, unlike anonymous alcoholicsthat we just say, the meeting
opens with a topic here, butthat is very relatively brief. Let'
s say taken from the book anonymousalcoholics, taken from twelve traditions or taken
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from I don' t remember theother book and here let' s say
the rapporteur is an exhibition, asin that case it was perhaps about ten
or fifteen minutes. But later,for the rest of the time, the
forum opens for anyone who wants toparticipate by talking about that topic or talking
about any other kind of situation thatthey want to talk about. So in
the way you ask, the wayyou say things was pretty much the same.
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There are two to three minutes toparticipate, you have to remain anonymous,
anything you hear here and it's just for your ears, etcetera,
etcetera. It was very similar andI felt very good because I said,
well, I' ve already beento some of these meetings and I
really liked it. I also likedit very much that people who participated.
There were people who commented on theirproblems, who gave the opportunity to say
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no the same thing, being aperson who no one knows you are through
another place in the world, whoare in another country completely, but who
have the possibility to understand that thereare many many people suffering and going through
the same thing as you. So, for my wife, who didn'
t have a chance to live thatbefore, it was very revealing. It
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was very comforting to know that therewere other people like her going through the
same problems as her. And that' s where I sometimes break my head
to say. But I' vebeen telling you for years and you don
' t listen to me, that' s fine. I think it'
s this dynamic, more or lessalways of couples that if it comes from
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my partner, I' m notgoing to bend my hands, because they
' re issues that, maybe theyshow some weakness. What do I know
while someone else comes, then thatperson does listen to them, because maybe
he has no intentions. So tome, for whatever it is, I
am very happy, because it isan application that I know that as long
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as I like everything I said toher, as long as you continue,
as long as you have the courageto participate in a moment of talking that
you also have the way of everyday, because every day you have to
go open the application, record howyou feel and complete certain points, certain
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tasks. Let' s say theytell you there I told her as long
as you stay committed to it,because it' s going to take effect,
I mean, as long as youkeep doing it, you' re
going to keep understanding. But ifyou stop doing it, then like everything
else, you won' t forget. And so maybe, maybe sincere Chinese
and is living and experiencing his firstpink nobel of the season for many years.
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But, as I also told you, while she enjoys it, how
much more I hope and have theopportunity to extend it and to accompany me
also in this pink life that Iwant to live. Then don' t
throw things away because you don't know things for sure. There'
s always hope in IT and others, hopefully the case is just taking that
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first step, whatever this is,if using technology through an app on your
phone, if through some application soyou can have a remote alcoholic board is
anonymous where you can' t anddon' t need, maybe, put
your photo, or you need,in fact, even participate just listening to
others or if you want, maybeto use other kinds of tools. It
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is only in YOU to take thatfirst step and hopefully and your loved one,
whether it is he who suffers orshe is the one who suffers those
kinds of problems that I hope andthey also have the opportunity of that with
a new beginning. By the way, if you were wondering what the app
was, I' m honest withyou about my phone and being here in
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Canada and my phone having it inEnglish, I want to think. I
don' t know if the appis also in the Spanish language, but
if you have the possibility to speakEnglish and want to give that app a
chance, it' s called reframe, reframe said in Spanish, rephrase everything
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together or refresh in English and it' s a give you one. I
think I got it. It givesyou a free week so you can see
what it' s about and if, in case you' re convinced,
there' s an annual plan thatcan be paid monthly or paid annually,
but as far as I understand it, it' s better to pay the
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annual one than you already will decideif you' re in a position to
pay it. The truth. Tellingyou honestly if you want to use it,
do it, if you want tospend that money, do it.
I don' t have to stopyou. But as I told you at
the beginning of this part, hereminded me so much, so much when
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I was connecting to my virtual boardsof anonymous alcoholics through Zoom. That dynamic
of the joints seemed identical to me, otherwise it' s shaped. The
advantage of the app again is thatit gives you more things to explore.
It doesn' t explain to youthings that might not have happened to you
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in your mind, it puts certainpoints on you. I insist on certain
goals that you' re going tohave to come every day to do something.
So, if you' re interested, if you see that what you
like most is the meetings, giveit a chance to download it, try
it a week like this so thatyou can see what it' s about
and if you like the meetings andyou say you know that I don'
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t like the meetings, the restdon' t. The truth is that
I don' t even have theright time to find a group of anonymous
alcoholics to help you of any otherkind that allows you to best use this
dynamic that is well known. Infact, they are called the dynamics of
the twelve steps. They call usanonymous alcoholics, then they try to give
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it the chance again it' scalled in Spanish reframe. I don'
t know how the truth at theapp store seems to actually do this.
I have it on iPhone or Idon' t know if it' s
on Android. Put it back,please. It actually says dringlés and trive.
I wish, I wish, Iwish? The truth that you can
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use this tool is reading. Infact, it says that this is an
application, the number one application forthe reduction and or control of alcohol,
a seven- day subscription free ofcharge. I honestly suggest that if I
suggest it right now, it hasa rating of four seven out of five
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stars with two thousand eight hundred people, it' s for a category of
seventeen years or more and it's in place not about seventy- nine
of the category they use. Hesays the language in English, but I
don' t know if the languagebecause I see it in English. Say
only one English, but check itout and I see that you have some
others the truth that gives you thechance of that iam sover that they are
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Android and that it is on Applealso on iPhone. Do Lo, unload,
do whatever you have in your hands. Zoom double whatever you want.
Do it. Don' t giveup, Maria, five years. It
took me six. Other people takeless than for certain. Greetings to my
friend Ruba, who is listening tome for sure. Congratulations on nothing for
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now. Happy Thank you for nowfor already making a Rubio triathlete. We
started talking almost five years ago,four fractions maybe like four faction five.
What does it matter we contacted eachother after the podcast. They were e
- mailed. Let' s stayin communication. Now we send ourselves and
send ourselves like 30- minute messages. I the Ruba is a little bit.
It doesn' t take that long, but the truth gives you the
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chance. I' m sure thatin five years, four years, my
good friend Rubon, who was alwaysa sportsman, not maybe, didn'
t imagine completing a triathlon And todayI shared that finally what made him a
triathlon, running, swimming and ridinga bike. Imagine that don' t
give up, give up, continueas you get up once more, once
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again, it' s the onlyone you need. Once again of all
the times you' ve fallen,it will mean you' re still,
you' re still fighting. Well, remember that you can contact me e
- coho, Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction, com either why send me? Greetings,
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either to send me a text Iwant. Well, whatever I want
I can share with others, whetheryou want to know the questions I send
to the people who participate before recordingand who want to answer them for me
to read them. Or, asa filter, as I have confessed to
you so that, in any case, you can schedule a time in which
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you and I can record so thatothers can listen to you give your own
voice. I also remind you thatthese episodes are on the YouTube page.
YouTube com Diagonal throws away addiction.That' s where you hear us,
too. I' ve got somevideos. At some point I' ll
see if I come back, notthat I bought stuff there so I could
(47:30):
make video. If I haven't been using them. But then,
I had no thought of merely orderingthese new changes that I am trying my
life, which I hope will leadme to sooner or later, keep taking
me on that path. Rosita,Rosita, Rosita, I hope you'
re surrounding me for a long time. It' s good. Remember that
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people who love you, remember thatthere are people who want to see you
get over your addiction. Don't turn your back on them, talk
to them head- on and askthem for help. You are surprised to
see how many people are ready willingto help you. And also remember that
if it is in your vain tobe able to help others, if you
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have and if you want to livethat experience of being able to see a
smile, a gift of gratitude look, because someone else is needing your help.
Please do give yourself that chance becausethey' re one of the things
worth living in your life. Remember, you never know when you can change
a good person' s life.My name is Gregory Chiñas. Here we
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hear each other in the next episodeof goodbye addiction until the next trend
The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes only and you do not
try to replace diagnostic advice or medicaltreatment of any kind. Therefore, please
always consult your doctor or other healthcare professional, if you have any doubts
about your state of health or howto treat your addiction. Welcome. Welcome
(00:28):
again, my name is on GregoryChiñas and, as always you, I
welcome a new episode of goodbye addiction, episode number one hundred and seventy-
five that is being recorded on Sunday, June 16, year two thousand twenty
- four. As always, Iappreciate very much the opportunity you give me
(00:51):
to be here with you today.In case this is the first time you
visit me, let me tell youthat I am a person who for many
years, who for many years hadsome problem with the compulsive abuse of alcohol
in my life appeared quite gradually fromthe twenty- one years until the moment
(01:15):
where I am now almost twenty-five years later, little by little,
as the good friend alcohol knows it, little by little it gets into our
lives. And there came a timefor me that already that impulsiveness was too
difficult to control. And for aboutsix years now when I started this podcast,
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when finally the candle was getting outof my eyes little by little and
sometimes fighting with that same addiction becauseshe addiction wanted me to put that veil
up in my face again I wouldwish it down and so we had been,
or we had been fighting for aboutsix years until recently I decided for
many reasons and for being in amoment in my life that allows me to
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say it up here no more,no more opening the door, the window
or the slightest loophole to addiction.So, I can tell you right now
that addiction, in my case,is part of the past. But that
' s not just coming. Let' s talk to you here. To
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Chat here with you forgive the topicsthat are shared by other people who are
in that process or stories, whetherit is published in Internet articles, in
magazines, or that other people makeme come by the means that maybe you
already know if in case, youdon' t know it, but you
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want to contact me as always Iinvite you, make me reach an email,
to the Gregory conig Gregory mail arrobafarewell addiction com and with all pleasure.
We' ll be getting in touchthere. If you want to participate,
share your story, some message liketoday' s that, by the
(03:07):
way, I' ll be withyou. I have not told you what
the episode is going to be abouttoday is going to be quite brief updates,
but also an email from Mary whohas written me from Spain and something
very interesting, something the truth thatI am very interested in sharing with you,
because Mary is an age and aplace and and a moment let'
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s say of her life that Ibelieve that maybe you can identify with it
I have never necessarily broken down.What kind of listeners there are here on
podcasts and on pages, on YouTubepage as well, but it' s
practically Mary' s age and thingslet' s say they happen to her.
(03:50):
He' s practically the person who' s focused on this podcast.
I' m already getting a lotinvolved, but good to get that moment
to share you, if it's the case you want to contact me,
as I was telling you. Doit to Gregory Arroba bye addiction com
and I know, like Maria,that I shared this text that I'
m going to talk to you today. There are also questions, the questions
(04:12):
that regularly answer people participating in thepodcast, that I have two people who
have kindly already answered it to me, that I am waiting for nothing more
to be able to confirm either adate to be able to record or that
maybe come and read the questions.That is also the way it can be
done. That' s one moreway you can participate in case you'
re interested. It' s good. Let' s get started. I
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always have the pressure that I haveto get to the point and right now,
I' ve been practically four minutesand I don' t get to
the point. Oh, my God, Gregorio, what' s going on
here. With you, the usualtruth. Anyway, Maria tells me the
following. In fact, I promisedhim I' d answer him in an
episode. So you' ve beenvery patient, because this e- mail
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sent it to me on May 26th. In fact, on the 26th of
May Gar did it to me Hereplied to her that in his time it
would take me the time to answerit in an audio and that is precisely
what I am doing right now.She comments on my name is Maria.
I' m Spanish. I'm a 50- year- old woman
who' s been drinking alcohol everyday since she was twenty- five and
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for five or so. I'm struggling with this whole inner world of
I am or I' m notan alcoholic. You wonder, Maria,
in what respects you are hurting me. I' m gonna try not to
drink three days, or I'm gonna drink less, etcetera, etcetera.
That' s what Mary has raisedin the last five years, in
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two thousand twenty- two, shesays, I stopped drinking for three months
and came back because I considered thatI didn' t have so many problems
in quotation marks and then go backto a daily consumption that doesn' t
make me feel anything good. Amonth ago I started reading and searching for
information of all kinds and found you. I have listened to almost every episode
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and have helped me a lot topose and maintain abstinence from curiosity, learning,
open mind. This position works muchbetter for me than giving all the
weight to the force of will.I' m in this process 11 days
ago. It' s costing mea lot more than the last time,
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maybe because in two thousand twenty-two I was euphoric by the pink cloud
of getting days. I' venever done it before and this time it
just costs me. But I definitelywant to learn how to manage things from
somewhere else. Look for tools Iknow I have, but when I have
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alcohol nearby I no longer use.I' ve been on antidepressants for four
years and that' s another thingI want to check. Depression leads me
to alcohol, or maybe it's vice versa, no matter what the
order, it doesn' t helpat all. I' m sure he
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' s got the reward system soupset about alcohol. Maybe that' s
why I can' t get excitedor enjoy anything. As explained in the
book disneyke Ad Mind, my psychiatristsays that sometimes the medication does not work
and we drink alcohol, even ifit is not in very large quantities,
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worse to depression, etcetera, etcetera. I was undersigned to jam Sover.
I don' t know if thegroup can still be accessed. My user
is such a good guy. Shetells me there in case you could add
it to me. Thank you somuch for everything and a big hug Gregory
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Maria good. There we are thenlet' s start talking about things.
I think there' s very,very, very good material here to talk
about. I' m gonna startback and forth,' cause that'
s what I remember the most.Right now. There is something very important
to tell from the application to iamSover, as I announced practically a year
ago, that a group had beenopened that had at the time been asked
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by several people to have a groupof Whatsapp, etcetera, etcetera. Well,
I actually encouraged myself to make agroup out of the application to jam
Sover. I paid the subscription fora year so that I could create a
group and although there were certain peoplewho added and asked me to do so,
we never even reached twenty and thetruth little by little, like good
(08:39):
mentality and obsessive personality, addictive withdistractions in the world, because it was
sidelined. So, never in fact, did it really explode or keep exploring
it Even so, the people whochecked in have always had access to me
and whenever it comes to someone andasked me during that year to add it,
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I gladly did. However, thatperiod that I paid for a year
to or will be coming to anend in no more than two weeks.
So, if you' re partof that group and at some point you
can' t access it in thenext two weeks, take it for granted
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that that' s the reason.In any case, you listen at any
time, whether it is the yeartwo thousand twenty- four or any year
that comes in the future that application. For the moment we will be using
rather the group that believes in thatapplication called addiction goodbye will no longer be
(09:43):
open. However, if, inany case, some things change and I
opened it again, I will alsobe reporting it through this medium. Well,
once you' ve told that interestingabout what Maria says. Well,
to be honest, I hope thatthe formal name faith Maria will not escape
(10:03):
me, because she has asked meto call her Mary, although her name
is different, although it is ofSpanish nationality. And the same thing I
want to take advantage of you totell you that, if in any case,
you want to contact me and youwant your privacy to remain completely anonymous,
obviously, your anonymous name, youranonymous place, etcetera. That'
s how we' re doing it. It doesn' t matter, you
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don' t have to create anemail there, kind of weird, half
- smoked to try and hide yourname, etcetera. Don' t worry,
use your email name. The addressyou use normally just tell me Gregory.
Please, I don' t wantto use my name. Call me
whatever you want or call me thisway and say my root, my country
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of birth, forgiveness, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The
country where I' m rooting forforgiveness. So it' s like Mary
did in this case. That's what he asked me to do,
and that' s what I'm doing. I' m sharing exclusively
what she told me. Well,finally fifty years. For twenty- five
years she has been suffering from thisdisease. That' s why I told
you about illness is calling it something. I don' t want to go
into details and it' s adisease or not. But good with this
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addiction, with this little problem orproblem, what is alcohol consumption. Similar
to what I told you at thebeginning of my part precisely twenty- five
years and very similar to her,who says that for five years I was
struggling even with the idea of whetherit is bad, if it is good,
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if I control it, if Ican' t control it, if
I just the end of weeks andonly on special occasions, that maybe nothing
more than a day than maybe thetype of drink, that if it'
s alcohol, strong, that's just beer, that' s just
wine. Look, don' tfeel bad, Mary or you who listen
to me right now, because it' s a very natural thing to do.
Which is why all or the vastmajority of us are going through is
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trying to convince ourselves, on theone hand, that we don' t
have a problem and, on theother hand, that if we do,
we can control it. It's completely natural. It' s a
journey that many people have a longway to go, some people have a
short time to go. To me, as I told you at the beginning
of this episode about six years,until I truly said there were still very
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honorable occasions in the course of thosedis years where I said no. The
truth is, I' ve alreadyhad the revelation, I' ve dreamed
about it, I' ve seenmyself et cetera. I know I won
' t do it and yet,still inside me hopeful, very deep inside
of me hoping that maybe I wouldarrive that day where I was going to
be able to control it or maybeI would be able to hide that feeling
(12:35):
in such a way, That's that desire I was going to hide
it at such a time, tosuch an extent that even I was going
to forget about it, accepting thatfrom time to time it was going to
present itself and it was when,maybe I was going to have to succumb
to that temptation. Then don't worry about it. Understand that it
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is a process as long as youcontinue with that process as long as you
want to give and continue to giveopportunity to that process. There is a
great advantage that we have people thatwe have decided to change, which is
for some something that, perhaps,is a benefit, perhaps, to others
mortifies. And what do I meanby this? I mean, once we
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see the problem it' s veryvery complicated, but it' s probably
impossible for us to stop seeing it, because I mean with this, I
mean there' s a lot ofpeople who drink, a lot of people
who consume let' s say sociallyand it never goes through their heads and
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they' re going to say bythe mind that they have a problem.
Maybe they say you know nothing else. The night before he lived a little
too much, because there is badhangover or bad raw. But the next
one will see what happens. Theydon' t go through them for some
time that they have a problem,that they' re drinking too much in
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a way that they' re alreadyclassified as, maybe they have a substance
consumption disorder. It doesn' tgo through their minds. But once it
passes through them, as it wasto me six years ago, like that
weed, probably five years ago.It' s very complicated that we leave
and get back to that feeling orthat feeling. I don' t have
a problem with that. Welcome tothat one and also to my respects the
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one who stays on that path oncehe is trying to overcome addiction or the
consumption of substances. If you're at that moment, don' t
be discouraged, if you can't control it yet, don' t
mind too much, that if youhave to start, that if you stumble,
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that if you slip, that ifyou slip, that if eleven days,
that if thirty days, don't worry. Keep getting up.
As well, at some point Iposted an image on Instagram, on the
page they did Instagram selection and thatsaid as you wake up once more just
once more of the times you fallyou will then follow the right path.
You don' t think I'm up. So it doesn' t
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matter that in this case, likeMary, who stopped drinking for three months
some time ago, if it's over the pink cloud, it'
s completely real. Sometimes when we' re convinced. It happened to me
a lot of times. Last weekI came to tell you here that that
pink cloud thing, even maybe Iwas just wanting to think that it wasn
' t affecting me how I feelor how you felt a week of saying
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oh, I' m so excited, so excited, I feel so in
control that I' m never goingto drink in my life anymore. And
that' s very well known.There are many people who happen to be
that that motivation, in a lotof sense, carried by the hand by
the willpower, is known as pinkcloud and once you cross that pink cloud
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that time that for some is morethan for some is less, we tend
to return to see the difficulties thattruth life gives us already use the tools
that we have had to face itthat, in this case, in many
cases, is the consumption of substances. So, if you' re crossing
that pink cloud, you' venever crossed it Enjoy it. Do a
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lot of things you want to dothat you haven' t been able to
do all the time. Maybe before, to that pink cloud, stay cheerful,
stay active, Maybe that pink cloudcan spread as much as you can
by holding hands with Maybe encourage youto ask for some kind of psychological assistance,
some kind of group help assistance,some visit, alcoholics anonymous goodbye addiction.
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I was going to tell you someanonymous alcoholic visits take refuge in the
spirituality of going to church. Spreadit out, spread it out, spread
it out, and hopefully, younever have to get out of that pink
cloud because, after all, onceyou' re done understanding and finally overcoming
that part of addiction. Why notthink that we can live permanently and eternally
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in pink, because we no longerhave to face the misery of getting up,
thinking about what we did yesterday.Why not think that pink cloud isn
' t really a rube. It' s a cloud, if it'
s a pink life. It wouldnot be excellent to be able to change
that image and perception that we haveof a pink life, a pink or
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pink life as in places, asthere are Persians who say. Oh,
I leave it to me. Iwish I could tell you I' m
not living a pink cloud anymore.I' m living a pink life.
With that intention of saying the thingsthat come, I will face them.
It does not mean that there isno suffering, that perhaps there will be
no complications or challenges to overcome.As in all life, we do not
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have the life bought or insured,nor will the problems disappear by magic,
just because we are now giving tothe face, to our addictions or to
our compulsiveness. However, by beingand the subject, having the mind sane,
by having the mind clean, byhaving the mind open, by having
the mind without being in your wave, we can feel more, but also
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act more thoughts that can truly leadus to a good end. Now to
manage emotions, also to learn howhelp if it is presented to us as
in this case Mary, through thebest of medication, that of antidepressants,
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something that I want to comment toyou once I finish telling you Maria,
the truth is that it is alittle delicate. I certainly won' t
have the nerve to tell you whatto do right now. However, by
popular knowledge, not even general knowledge. By popular knowledge, it is known
that if you take any kind ofmedication, some of them will not have
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any effect, will have a minoreffect or will react in some way with
your own body that, perhaps,the reaction or symptoms that you are going
to have are not so desired.So, if I suggest that if in
any case you are ingesting any substance, maybe you will develop some kind of
medication problem that you are also takingthat if you are completely open or open
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with your doctor so that they bettertell you the directions, it is better
for you. I know the truthnot to put you at a greater unnecessary
risk that it will perhaps be tocombine a medication that should not be combined
with some substance, as in thiscase alcohol. I' d rather not
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take the medication the day I'm going to drink, because if not,
maybe it' s a much biggerproblem and you don' t take
it from this as a council.That' s what I' m thinking
as a person who doesn' thave medication in my life and I feel
that maybe it' s one wouldbe a probably still responsible way to obviously
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stop taking medication. Hopefully, Ihope you can, as I also say
at the beginning of the episodes,refer to the doctor who is treating you
or the people who are helping youon this path to give you better advice
and tell you really what can happennow. The fact that you' re
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excited looks. I believe that suchan allusion should always exist, that allusion
of at some point actually being free, should be an illusion of motivation,
should keep us in that struggle.If at some point it was three months
and you think it won' tbe possible now, continue anyway notice that
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already I, as I' veshared it before, have always been overweight
since childhood. He was a fatboy and always and not always had very
definite or definite moments in my lifeto lose weight, as I remember that
the first time I did it wasat eighteen years old, in three months
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I had fallen to error of twentykilos and after spending several years where I
went again, gradually and incrementally,gaining weight, gaining weight, nado peso,
until I had to do it again. And I remember in that moment
and life, in the middle ofmy 30s that said no more I won
' t be able to. Well, I won' t be able to
do it again. I did thatbecause I was eighteen hours old, I
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' m twice as old as Iam, you get harder, then you
even have to try. True then, oh surprise greater dedication, probably than
what I did when I was eighteeninstead of three months, for it took
me six months, but it wasnot twenty. It was twenty- six
kilos that I went down, whichfrom there taught me that as long as
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we intend to do it and havethe tools we need, we will always
be able to get ours. Butit must be understood that our mentality also
evolves, that our reality evolves,and our body is reality, is part
of that reality. Our mind ispart of that reality. Maybe a year
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or two ago your reality was different, which you probably needed less motivation or
less than leverage to get your goalyou wanted now your reality is possibly different.
You may have to ask yourself whatother tools you' ll have to
use now, how long it's also going to take to achieve that
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goal. It may take longer,but as long as, if we stay
focused, as I repeat and repeatit eaty, we will be able to
achieve that goal. Don' tfall, don' t give up.
Continue to arm yourself with the toolsyou have to arm yourself in order to
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ensure victory and I am sure youwill be able to carry it out.
The tools are modified. It's not the same thing, it'
s not the same thing that youwere five or ten years ago to the
person you are at this time andthere should be no stigma, there shouldn
' t be fear in using medicine, approaching groups or places that you'
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ve never been for the simple factof having a higher life, without necessarily
thinking about the one that they'll actually say come out of the clouset
of addiction, as I even dedicateda complete episode to talking about it.
Well, there' s my answers. Then, Mary, I hope I
have you, for I do notmean served by something true rather. I
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hope you' ve kept that partof my promise. Having commented I think
there are many very interesting things.Most people who listen to this podcast I
' ve said before, are aboutforty- five to fifty years old.
Older people sometimes seek help for theirchildren or for themselves. There are also
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younger people of that rank that Itell you without a doubt also because the
doors are open for anyone who wantsto participate and who feels identified. There
have been, as you well know, people like Liliana at the beginning of
the podcast before episode twenty, beinga young woman, at that time she
participated, She participated her boyfriend andother people and a friend. Then all
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the young people were also there beingable to participate. Therefore, this is
a forum that is open to allthose who want to participate. So,
hopefully you' ll come to identifyin some way with any topic that'
s being discussed here, and withouta doubt, you' d like to
talk to someone else who' slistening. Please do it, because you
never know when you can change someone' s life and you can do it
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you already know through a coblectronic.Send me your comments, like Mary answering
the questions, and also ask theinterviewees to either read them or encourage you,
encouraging you to record a said episode. To that there are two people,
as I told you at the beginning, who very kindly contacted me and
who have asked me to be ableto record that episode that should only be
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coordinated with them that I, however, have no problem. I think I
say those names that is raul andthat is Vladimir to them two I wish
and soon we will agree so thatwe can record that episode. The two
of them have already answered the questionsthat, in the vast majority of cases,
is the filter that I put andalready once they answer it, that
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gives me to think that they arereally interested in participating. Then I want
to give the two of you achance and you know holstering that you'
re also there on an offer fora while also waiting for that opportunity.
Remember that my thing right now isto be adjusting to this lifestyle again,
adjusting to things I want to enjoyto new challenges. I told you last
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week. Well, that' sall I want to do. We are
entering the second part of the episode, where I will be telling you all
the scrolls that have happened to me, including news from my wife, which
I also told you in the previousepisode. And if you want to come
with me, welcome, if itdoesn' t make sense of anything I
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' m going to help you say, then the truth is thank you so
much for being here with me.I' m waiting for you next week
to join me in a new,new episode, with a new tea,
with a new theme and so,you know you can contact me. Well,
let' s continue with the personalupdate I want to make on this
case. I already forgot a littlewhat I was saying, but I was
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adjusting. Forgive these new challenges tothis lifestyle that I want to carry that
there are still many, many questionsto answer, many activities to think about
and carry out. Today was presentedthe opportunity to record because, unfortunate or
fortunately, because we also need therain, because it has been raining since
yesterday in a fairly large way Andwell, there was no chance of making
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plans And I said, well,what better plan than to come and give
them an update. Answer Mary andgive them an update to you who listen
to me. It was a trip, last week' s trip, very
tired, very productive. I wentto the city of Houston, in Texas,
in the United States. I hadthe opportunity of a four- hour
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break. The truth is that arather interesting topic And why I want to
share this with you, because thereare two very important things for me that
I want to take advantage of.One, face the things you' re
afraid of. Sometimes you won't have another one, you won'
t have another one. You haveto face that uncomfortable moment, maybe that
situation where you have to say somethingthat probably isn' t entirely pleasing to
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the person you' re listening to, that you might have to ask,
think and consider, to change yourlife, to look for some other opportunity,
to emigrate to another city, toall that kind of things that we
' re afraid of and don't do because we' re petrified,
because we don' t know whatthe future brings us, what could that
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future bring? I mean, that' s, like, two of my
big fears I' ve been havingfor a while. It' s one
I' ve shared, it's flying and, well, I'
m happy to share with you rightnow that, fortunately, flying has been
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slowing down. The fear that Ihave of that, of that activity,
does still come to me some anxiety. It would be very foolish to tell
you that I am not sorry,but I realize, even after this last
trip, that even turbulence, whichis the one that kept me always on
the slope and thinking that the planewas going to fall, because it can
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already be said that it no longeraffects me. Well, I don'
t want to say that anything necessarilywill, it will affect me, because
I still don' t face somethingthat I' m brazen about. As
the news knows that there are evenpeople who hurt themselves so badly that it
is, but it certainly does notaffect me as much as it did before
to a degree that I can considerat least at this moment. Therefore,
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the opportunities that life presents to meof still being able to fly, whether
I decide, to make a visitto some place or for cohesion of work,
I will certainly be taking them,because it will be the only way
that I can overcome that fear thatbinds to the second fear. More than
fear, it' s more likeuncomfortable, like a fear of being judged,
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like a fear of always trying,not being exposed. Let' s
say what people can say, curiously, after coming, to talk, after
a hundred and a hundred I feel, after one hundred and seventy episodes,
if one gave addiction almost one hundredand eighty. It won' t seem
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too silly for me to tell youthat I have, that I have certain
reservations when people listen to me,but let me tell you something. I
don' t mean when I speakSpanish. I mean when I speak English.
That being said, I' vesaid it a lot today, said
to that. Forgive me for thatpart of the course I went to take
America, which was a course.What I was had to do some activities
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where if I had been the sameperson who was me, he would always
wait for me until those all passedby and that no longer really try to
make me small, although I amnot trying to make me little bowl me
to stick it down the desk sothat they did not select me, to
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move on to do some activities andI consciously decided not to do it?
I consciously decided to say I'm not going to? I want to
be someone else, I want toface those nins and voluntarily, in fact,
I offered myself to those activities andnot to be the second, to
be the first, because always onoccasions you also say no, because maybe
someone will do it first and thenI see if it works, if it
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works, because I' m coming. And if it doesn' t work,
and I see that we have tochange, because already learning from that,
then I go, I don't go first and I promise you
that there is no arrogance or anythinghere. It is always simply to face
that fear. In fact, Itold the person I had to make a
team with. I told him youlet me go first because I looked and
explained to him. In fact,I' ve always been subconsciously not participating
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in this for all that' sokay with you. If I go first
already once the person agreed, Isaid go ahead okay, then let'
s say I feel very happy.Or I was very happy and I am
still very happy for the simple factthat I was able to bring down that
fear as well. And what itteaches you is that nothing happens that once
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you face those situations, there's nothing you can give me you can
see things that are so bad.But in theory let' s say that
if it' s not something sobad that if it' s something that
nothing else affects us positively, thatthat' s going to happen, then,
which is positivity, it will continueand come. And then from there,
there is nothing left but to developthat muscle again. Let' s
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say you' re going to allowme, in other situations where I hadn
' t, where, maybe Iwouldn' t have made myself available for
someone else to invite me or tellme something that would invite me to participate.
I mean or, maybe I'll shine by my own light.
Let' s just say because Iwas always afraid of a lot of things,
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well that' s not happening anymore. Then the same thing. I
want to ask you people that wesuffer from some disorder, because I consume
substances or well known as alcoholism,or drugs, addiction, etcetera, etcetera.
We' re always people. Inmany cases we are very sensitive people,
very, very, very sensitive.If I don' t say it,
clinical studies say it, so wedon' t want to expose ourselves
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to that feedback. We think they' re going to be judged. We
' re actually thinking that things aregoing to be wrong and that we prefer
to avoid them and that that's why we don' t even go
to the darkest corner. And therewe stay until, until, then,
they already have to pass. True, give yourself the opportunity to live experiences,
give yourself the opportunity to face thosefears, give yourself the opportunity to
move forward. I suggest it toyou the truth, because I am going
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to keep doing it and now Ihope to open up precisely for that very
same reason new doors, new opportunities, new paths that at that moment I
am still deciding comes out then thatI want to share it with you,
because I know that it is veryimportant for all of us who are or
were. Some are still trying notto shine with our own light. We
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' re afraid to teach ourselves theway we are and believe me. There
are not many bad things, butone and today one of them is living
in hiding, living in the innerdarkness, living in that darkness, emotional
darkness, where we are repressing ourselvesand hiding ourselves. And when we give
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ourselves the opportunity to put out whatwe truly think, truly how we are,
what we feel, we have achance for people to truly understand us,
if in case they have to understandus from some things that we have
kept for ourselves alone. Then giveyourself a chance to be you Give yourself
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a chance not to think about beingjudged. Give yourself a chance not to
think that maybe you' re gonnado a piece of paper. Don'
t worry. Once you do,you' re going to realize the happiness
that the plain can bring, havethat weight on your shoulders, that you
can truly be you and that otherpeople want whoever they want, that these
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are the ones that truly apare you, they love you have esteem, they
' re going to understand what you' ve had to do or what you
' re doing, because truly,you' re finally going to show yourself
as you are. Okay. Thatis then part of the talk and my
stuff that I want to share withyou my personal things as there was no,
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as there were no comments from Spotifybecause I didn' t leave a
question from Spotify. By the way, if I don' t leave a
question to Spotify, don' tbe bad or bad. Please leave something.
Not if only to know that ifyou heard that, in fact,
last week I thought the truth wasgoing to generate a little bit more excitement
about the episode because of the subjectthat I touched the fact that I told
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my wife how I felt I wastalking about having that value truth, that
is, things that we don't. Joel said thank you so much
for your comment. It' spublished. Joel told me that brave Gregor.
That' s what I hope you' ll go on and get support.
I quit, too. Greetings.Thank you very much, José,
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thank you very much. As afinal part of the episode, I was
reading today to share with you thatof the good news that I received once
I returned home, is to seemy wife also focused on her recovery,
in doing things for her mental health. Like Mary, like other people who
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have kindly contacted me through the podcast. Medication is part of that recovery.
We wouldn' t have to thinkit was a bad thing. We no
longer live in those dark times wherewe thought medicine was for kids and everyone
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was crazy and if you were,then I better take you to the sanatorium
because you' re not a normalperson. I think that should happen.
Well, I don' t thinkI' m convinced that that should happen
that we' ll have to raiseour hands and ask for that kind of
help if we really want to dosomething with our lives that fills us more
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and in that case, my wifeis what she' s doing, so
I suggest that, if that's the case, you also have that
kind of problem. Mental health isimportant. She' s starting her medication
since last week' s weeks andnot only that. I think that from
that clarity that the medication is givingyou, it was a very, very,
very pleasant surprise yesterday that you showedan app on your phone, where
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let' s say that the jam- sover but steroid application, which is
practically a combination of help among theparticipants of that application, but also with
specialists who are inside that application.And now that, in fact, yesterday
we virtually attended a meeting very muchlike what would become a one, a
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meeting of anonymous alcoholics with people,listening to a person talking about a subject,
in this case, unlike anonymous alcoholicsthat we just say, the meeting
opens with a topic here, butthat is very relatively brief. Let'
s say taken from the book anonymousalcoholics, taken from twelve traditions or taken
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from I don' t remember theother book and here let' s say
the rapporteur is an exhibition, asin that case it was perhaps about ten
or fifteen minutes. But later,for the rest of the time, the
forum opens for anyone who wants toparticipate by talking about that topic or talking
about any other kind of situation thatthey want to talk about. So in
the way you ask, the wayyou say things was pretty much the same.
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There are two to three minutes toparticipate, you have to remain anonymous,
anything you hear here and it's just for your ears, etcetera,
etcetera. It was very similar andI felt very good because I said,
well, I' ve already beento some of these meetings and I
really liked it. I also likedit very much that people who participated.
There were people who commented on theirproblems, who gave the opportunity to say
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no the same thing, being aperson who no one knows you are through
another place in the world, whoare in another country completely, but who
have the possibility to understand that thereare many many people suffering and going through
the same thing as you. So, for my wife, who didn'
t have a chance to live thatbefore, it was very revealing. It
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was very comforting to know that therewere other people like her going through the
same problems as her. And that' s where I sometimes break my head
to say. But I' vebeen telling you for years and you don
' t listen to me, that' s fine. I think it'
s this dynamic, more or lessalways of couples that if it comes from
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my partner, I' m notgoing to bend my hands, because they
' re issues that, maybe theyshow some weakness. What do I know
while someone else comes, then thatperson does listen to them, because maybe
he has no intentions. So tome, for whatever it is, I
am very happy, because it isan application that I know that as long
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as I like everything I said toher, as long as you continue,
as long as you have the courageto participate in a moment of talking that
you also have the way of everyday, because every day you have to
go open the application, record howyou feel and complete certain points, certain
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tasks. Let' s say theytell you there I told her as long
as you stay committed to it,because it' s going to take effect,
I mean, as long as youkeep doing it, you' re
going to keep understanding. But ifyou stop doing it, then like everything
else, you won' t forget. And so maybe, maybe sincere Chinese
and is living and experiencing his firstpink nobel of the season for many years.
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But, as I also told you, while she enjoys it, how
much more I hope and have theopportunity to extend it and to accompany me
also in this pink life that Iwant to live. Then don' t
throw things away because you don't know things for sure. There'
s always hope in IT and others, hopefully the case is just taking that
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first step, whatever this is,if using technology through an app on your
phone, if through some application soyou can have a remote alcoholic board is
anonymous where you can' t anddon' t need, maybe, put
your photo, or you need,in fact, even participate just listening to
others or if you want, maybeto use other kinds of tools. It
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is only in YOU to take thatfirst step and hopefully and your loved one,
whether it is he who suffers orshe is the one who suffers those
kinds of problems that I hope andthey also have the opportunity of that with
a new beginning. By the way, if you were wondering what the app
was, I' m honest withyou about my phone and being here in
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Canada and my phone having it inEnglish, I want to think. I
don' t know if the appis also in the Spanish language, but
if you have the possibility to speakEnglish and want to give that app a
chance, it' s called reframe, reframe said in Spanish, rephrase everything
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together or refresh in English and it' s a give you one. I
think I got it. It givesyou a free week so you can see
what it' s about and if, in case you' re convinced,
there' s an annual plan thatcan be paid monthly or paid annually,
but as far as I understand it, it' s better to pay the
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annual one than you already will decideif you' re in a position to
pay it. The truth. Tellingyou honestly if you want to use it,
do it, if you want tospend that money, do it.
I don' t have to stopyou. But as I told you at
the beginning of this part, hereminded me so much, so much when
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I was connecting to my virtual boardsof anonymous alcoholics through Zoom. That dynamic
of the joints seemed identical to me, otherwise it' s shaped. The
advantage of the app again is thatit gives you more things to explore.
It doesn' t explain to youthings that might not have happened to you
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in your mind, it puts certainpoints on you. I insist on certain
goals that you' re going tohave to come every day to do something.
So, if you' re interested, if you see that what you
like most is the meetings, giveit a chance to download it, try
it a week like this so thatyou can see what it' s about
and if you like the meetings andyou say you know that I don'
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t like the meetings, the restdon' t. The truth is that
I don' t even have theright time to find a group of anonymous
alcoholics to help you of any otherkind that allows you to best use this
dynamic that is well known. Infact, they are called the dynamics of
the twelve steps. They call usanonymous alcoholics, then they try to give
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it the chance again it' scalled in Spanish reframe. I don'
t know how the truth at theapp store seems to actually do this.
I have it on iPhone or Idon' t know if it' s
on Android. Put it back,please. It actually says dringlés and trive.
I wish, I wish, Iwish? The truth that you can
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use this tool is reading. Infact, it says that this is an
application, the number one application forthe reduction and or control of alcohol,
a seven- day subscription free ofcharge. I honestly suggest that if I
suggest it right now, it hasa rating of four seven out of five
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stars with two thousand eight hundred people, it' s for a category of
seventeen years or more and it's in place not about seventy- nine
of the category they use. Hesays the language in English, but I
don' t know if the languagebecause I see it in English. Say
only one English, but check itout and I see that you have some
others the truth that gives you thechance of that iam sover that they are
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Android and that it is on Applealso on iPhone. Do Lo, unload,
do whatever you have in your hands. Zoom double whatever you want.
Do it. Don' t giveup, Maria, five years. It
took me six. Other people takeless than for certain. Greetings to my
friend Ruba, who is listening tome for sure. Congratulations on nothing for
(45:43):
now. Happy Thank you for nowfor already making a Rubio triathlete. We
started talking almost five years ago,four fractions maybe like four faction five.
What does it matter we contacted eachother after the podcast. They were e
- mailed. Let' s stayin communication. Now we send ourselves and
send ourselves like 30- minute messages. I the Ruba is a little bit.
It doesn' t take that long, but the truth gives you the
(46:07):
chance. I' m sure thatin five years, four years, my
good friend Rubon, who was alwaysa sportsman, not maybe, didn'
t imagine completing a triathlon And todayI shared that finally what made him a
triathlon, running, swimming and ridinga bike. Imagine that don' t
give up, give up, continueas you get up once more, once
(46:27):
again, it' s the onlyone you need. Once again of all
the times you' ve fallen,it will mean you' re still,
you' re still fighting. Well, remember that you can contact me e
- coho, Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction, com either why send me? Greetings,
(46:49):
either to send me a text Iwant. Well, whatever I want
I can share with others, whetheryou want to know the questions I send
to the people who participate before recordingand who want to answer them for me
to read them. Or, asa filter, as I have confessed to
you so that, in any case, you can schedule a time in which
(47:10):
you and I can record so thatothers can listen to you give your own
voice. I also remind you thatthese episodes are on the YouTube page.
YouTube com Diagonal throws away addiction.That' s where you hear us,
too. I' ve got somevideos. At some point I' ll
see if I come back, notthat I bought stuff there so I could
(47:30):
make video. If I haven't been using them. But then,
I had no thought of merely orderingthese new changes that I am trying my
life, which I hope will leadme to sooner or later, keep taking
me on that path. Rosita,Rosita, Rosita, I hope you'
re surrounding me for a long time. It' s good. Remember that
(47:50):
people who love you, remember thatthere are people who want to see you
get over your addiction. Don't turn your back on them, talk
to them head- on and askthem for help. You are surprised to
see how many people are ready willingto help you. And also remember that
if it is in your vain tobe able to help others, if you
(48:10):
have and if you want to livethat experience of being able to see a
smile, a gift of gratitude look, because someone else is needing your help.
Please do give yourself that chance becausethey' re one of the things
worth living in your life. Remember, you never know when you can change
a good person' s life.My name is Gregory Chiñas. Here we
(48:36):
hear each other in the next episodeof goodbye addiction until the next trend
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