EP176 - Final Segunda Temporada | Gracias Totales

Final del podcast.

Gracias por todo y hasta la próxima.

Gregory.

Episode Transcript

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The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes only and you do not
try to replace diagnostic advice or medicaltreatment of any kind. Therefore, please
always consult your doctor or other healthcare professional if you have any questions about
your state of health or how totreat your addiction. Good morning, welcome,

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welcome. Once again, my nameis Gregori Chiñas and, as always,
I welcome this latest episode of addictiongoodbye. Today I have prepared something
very special for you and this foryou to know is the second attempt to
record this episode. But in myfirst attempt I felt that I was everywhere

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and today I have prepared myself andI have put here some that I want
to follow from beginning to end toexplain to you what I mean by this
being the final episode. First thanbefore. First of all, let me
mention you. I' ve alwaysstarted the episodes by telling you that if

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you want to contact me, doit by email. Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction
com and that there I will answeryou good. I don' t want
to leave this. In the end, I want to put him in front.
First the mail will be deactivated onthe last day of July of the
year two thousand twenty- four.This episode is being recorded on Saturday,

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June 29, of the year twothousand twenty- four. So there'
s practically a month where that mailwill still be active. To then completely
disable. Therefore, there is somethingyou would like to say knowingly that it
will no longer be shared in thefuture, in a future episode or on
any other platform. Please do notarrive in case everything is interested or interested

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in doing so. But the lastmail will then be received the night of
the last day of the month ofJuly of the year two thousand twenty-
four. Well, let me,then start explaining to you what I mean
by this. End of story.Okay. First of all, I would

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like to thank each and every personwho participated with me. This is a
project. That is a dream thatbegan in May of the year two thousand
and eighteen. Yeah, about sixyears now. For those who began to
hear it from the beginning. Letme tell you that some are gone,

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some come to others come back.My intention is always that, in the
end, you do not require comingand being here completely, because, in
the end, that would mean thatyou may still need that re- enforcement
that addiction is not a good thingfor you and that you have to do
something about it. For me,the truth has always been a little strange

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to see that there are people comingand going because I would like them all
to stay inside me. But inthe end, I must admit that the
best thing for everyone is that thisis a time for you in your life
where you can take advantage of theinformation that is already shared in one hundred

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and seventy- five episodes, overone hundred and eighty and I contemplate the
others that were not listed. Then. That' s the idea. This
project began in the year two thousandeighteen, as I tell you and as
a desperate cry, a desperate crybecause it was already starting to drink more
than normal, more than what isconsidered normal in quotation marks. I was

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already starting to drink for several days, to completely lose consciousness. And understanding
in that two thousand eighteen, sixyears ago that I already had something to
do, that I had to seehow I could stop that advance of addiction
that had been for about twenty yearsat that time biting stone and advancing,
advancing, advancing, then began inthat project, that first letter. I

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' ve already mentioned it, ormail that I sent to the director of
the youth integration centers, because thatseemed to me to say some source,
some place where I could, maybe, come over to give me the information.
Remember that before I also said thatthis podcast was to help me and
by the way, it helped you. Then he changes it. I'
m helping you and, by theway, I' m helping myself.

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So I think it' s beenmore like a mix of the two,
of the two ideas. I havebeen learning and learning, but at the
same time also learning from others andalso, as in this case, from
institutions such as the youth integration center, which was kindly lent to Dr Sánchez
Huesca, who I will never forgethis last name, the deputy director normative

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in that year of youth integration centers, Dr Sánchez Huesca presented himself to the
activity of doing a Let' ssay interview at that time that, as
an anecdote I have added in thecourse of this episode that I will tell
you several anecdotes, the recorder didnot work, a recorder that nostalgically I

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am occupying at this moment. Torecord this latest episode of addiction goodbye,
I am also using the same microphonesix years ago to record this final episode,
the goddess addiction. So, backthen, when I started the recording,
I still didn' t have asmuch experience with the recorder and I
remember and when I slapped the buttonto record something it was deconfigured and it

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wasn' t recorded as it should. Then I didn' t dare when
I realized that that was happening,I didn' t dare to tell the
doctor to reinitiate it, because ithad already been more than twenty minutes of
interview. And the truth, then, well, that' s how he
did it. If you go andwhat I hear next, I tried to
rerecord my voice. I didn't try to re- record my voice,

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but his voice had nothing more todo. Well, those first episodes
were also sponsored by friends and familyclose to him. I suggest that if
you have to do any project ofthis kind, always shake hands with the
people around you. Like I said, they' re always willing to help
you. And right now it waspeople who were trying to help me,
who understood that, maybe it wasmy awakening from fighting addiction and if this

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is what I wanted to do,then they were willing to help me.
So I laid hands on my friends, laid hands on my family, and
there in fact, I was presentto my sister, who passed away last
year. She helped me in thosefirst three four episodes to tell my father
' s story. I never mentionin the interview that she is my sister,

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but if you want to hear thatinterview where she speaks and speaks part
of my father, well, sheis in the first episodes that were published
from this podcast, something that youcan also realize because I am saying it
right now the audio will be alive. This is the final episode and I

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will repeat it in the course ofthis episode. This is the end.
There' s no coming back.Right now, I' ll explain a
little bit more how I feel rightnow and the one that' s leading
me to it. But the episodeswill continue to be posted in Spotify,
on eBox, on YouTube. If, in any case, you want to
keep listening, if, in anycase, you want to share it,

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if you want to return it indue course, all the time they will
be published, they will remain publishedunless something strange happens. But if that
happens, I' ll see toit that they stay alive. Okay.
The anecdote is I recorded the episodeof those first episodes, recorded with my

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brother- in- law, mysister' s husband, an episode with
a beer in his hand, witha beer uncovered on the desk where I
was recording. I was talking tohim with a beer in my hand,
at that moment of weakness. Ihad started the project at best a month
and a half before, but alreadywith five or six weeks within the god

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addiction project, I was already beginningto see that it wasn' t going
to be so easy that I hadto come at that time still try to
do things right, try to learnfrom others. But they succumbed at that
moment, at that moment, notto be able to avoid having uncovered a
beer, because I think at thattime I think I had taken the day
before. If I remember correctly Iam sincere in episode number nine as things

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evolve. By the way, Ididn' t watch episode by episodes.
They are what came to mind thatI want to remember that I want to
leave there something completely clear of howthis originated and how far did I get?
In that episode number nine was wherethere was already that part of the
pink cloud that we talked about.It took only nine episodes to realize that

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again it wasn' t going tobe that easy and I started to tell
things. It' s the firsttime I ever told anything about me and
the truth is that some people,some people have contacted me exclusively because of
that episode because they' ve beenmoved. Let' s say that,
having talked there that I had againmissed work at that time, because I

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had not been able to go towork, because I had drunk practically all
weekend, that I felt my bodyweighed that I was sweating some edour and
I share it in that episode numbernine. If anything, you haven'
t heard it already, possibly inthe course of the podcast I counted in
three different episodes, more or lessexpensive one of the stages with a little

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more detail, but let' ssay that at that time it' s
the most real thing, because itwas completely unplanned, I wanted to put
it outside that day, that Ihadn' t gone to work because I
couldn' t physically do it.So, if you' re in a
position to do it, if youhaven' t, that episode number nine
is where I tell that part ofmy life in a gross way of what

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I felt at the time in twothousand sixteen. In the two thousand eighteen
sorry six years ago that I hadtaken me to that point for the next
episode, episode number ten going tothe first anonymous alcoholics meeting here in Canada
and feeling at that moment that everythingwas almost fixed, that from there everything
was going to be downhill, thatI was really going had already told the

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answer to my problems and that almostthere you see me learning. And then
I' ll see if we seeeach other in ten episodes and I'
ll laugh because it' s goneup and down and a hell of a
lot of learning. But, well, one is novice. At that time

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we are still thinking that the solutionwill not take that much effort. We
are truly excited and hopeful that wemay not have to do so much or
put so much of ourselves into makingthose changes. But then what a reality,
truth and well, as you canreally realize those beginnings were really a
little bit complicated for me from stilladapting, but I always had the opportunity

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and the kindness to have two groups, mainly first those who approached allowed me
to approach forgiveness because religion was alsopart of that healing that they had found.
Then, my sister, my brother- in- law had always been

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religious at that time. And so, you the opportunity to talk to them
And the truth, as I havealways said, I have never denied that
all ideas are welcome and that anythingthat serves to get out, to get
us out of the hole to getthrough, if I did alcoholic religion anonymous
group Medicine, Therapy, Hypnosis,whatever, you have to help him?
And for me at the time itwas to shake hands with religiosity, but

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also with a very important group thatlater became even more important to me because
in those moments, I just invitedthem, because I knew I had to
give them a good door in front. But I still didn' t commit
to that idea, to that change. I still didn' t understand it
and even judged them to have goneto the anonymous alcoholic group. They started

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to come to per people of anonymousalcoholics to participate and the truth that I
liked very much, I always feltvery well identified every time someone came or
has come to talk about their experiencesin anonymous alcoholics and on many occasions I
said Caray. That' s mystory. Hell, I don' t
identify myself at best, it's not 100%, but it'

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s a big percentage. Then Icontinued with that dynamic until, well,
later they left, they left,it became more difficult the moment when I
could schedule an interview with anyone,either religion or anonymous alcoholics. So,
well, there were always messages comingat that time. And the first one
I want to mention, Right now, because it was the first message I

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remember receiving. I don' tknow at what moment, in what episode,
honestly or because of what episode,it was from my friend from Bolivia,
Luis Fernando Fernández, whom I thankvery much, because, without necessarily
being him to the person dictates,but he having as a father a relative
who needs help that he is goingthrough since then he already showed some concern

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and after six years, that concernlike that is consolidating a little more.
Well, he was the first personwho really dared send me a message to
an email that gave me ideas onhow to keep moving forward. So,
I really, really honored and happyto tell you that after those six years
I' m still in communication withLuis. Then the truth has been very,

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very, very father Highs and lowsas always, but always with the
look also focused forward. The addictionalso continued to advance, although I was
also advancing to the best, Iwas advancing the addiction, I was returning
to the middle, but I havealways thought and I have felt that it
has always progressed a little bit more, a little more that I don'

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t let them reach me the cheeseit reaches me. And that' s
when and that' s when Isuffer. He had suffered those very severe
setbacks. I don' t feellike I sometimes advanced three steps and returned
to ten because I lost control,for three, for four, for five
days because there was the best.That said, made said and done perhaps
also something that should not, etcetera, etcetera. Then it was a learning,
always ups and downs, but thetruth, the truth, the truth,

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always wishing, always thinking that therewas a better future. Like you
have to think about it. Ihope, right now there' s a
better future. Don' t lookat yourself anymore, and you' re
still going through those first few days, those first few weeks of fighting addiction.
Don' t think it' sso easy and the truth would be
dishonest of me to tell you thatnothing more for thinking about it or for

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trying to do it. Things aresettled. Maybe. You' ve already
noticed that. A recent email askedme why it' s so hard to
quit alcohol and not another kind ofdrugs or why it' s so complicated
maybe let' s say stop obsessingabout something exclusive. So, as far
as willpower, how far the helpgroup actually works as you can account for

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yourself, there' s a difficultythat will depend a lot on your desire
to go ahead and there' sno defining point. I believe, from
that course, beyond what you getup every day, that you really decide
that you' re going to havea fight. Sometimes we' ll lose

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that fight, but we' llalways be focused on winning that battle and
later winning that war, as Ifeel right now, as I' m
convinced, right now, as Ishared it with you a while ago.
I, three, four or fiveweeks ago, decided to break those chains.
Finally, there is no more thanalcohol. I can tell you that

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alcohol can teach me that I,in my particular point of view, too,
there is no more than I cannecessarily learn directly from the effects that
alcohol makes you. To me thereis no way that someone does not make
me think that alcohol is a poison, as I have said already and held
for a long time that there isno such benefit as one or two or

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does, be it red wine orwhatever else companies cover themselves in health saying
that they are beneficial to you already. There is no way for me to
get into my head even at thetime, in the span of those six
years, I succumbed on many occasionsnot only because of that desire, because
of that obsession of consuming, butrather because they always got involved in feeling

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alone, as I learned at thetime, also about a year ago,
that I shared it with you,that I felt there alone and that I
understood that because of that loneliness andthe abandonment that I felt inside me was
a kind of condition that predisposed meto seek alcohol as a solution to lose
myself, to not feel then thelittle, the self- discovery. Little

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by little, it went further andwent further. And that' s what
I want for you to really spendtime meeting you, spending time knowing and
knowing and understanding and doing something whenyou really detect what the reason is,
what' s the reason you dowhat you do. There' s always

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an explanation for the truth. Inmy current work we do analysis once accidents
or some people have some complications atwork get hurt or there are dangerous situations,
and we always do an analysis andalways try to find an answer to
what might have been better done toavoid that situation. So, sometimes we,

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in ourselves, do not do thatintensive work of trying to understand what
the reason is. Remember Make Bormate, I' ve mentioned it on many
occasions. That' s him tellingus. Don' t wonder why addiction,
but why the pain that leads youto that addiction. Addiction, substance,
is not the problem. That's what you' re bringing in

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That' s the problem. So, as long as you don' t
focus on dealing with what you're carrying inside, in the vast majority
of cases, you' ll knowthat always today the door and I leave
the window open so that something isdifferent. But in the vast majority of
cases, as long as we don' t attack that part that happens to
us inside, we won' tbe able to look out for what happens

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outside. And to all this Andto all this, why then saying goodbye
to me today, if it seemsthat I am very well, if it
seems that I am living a verygood time, well, that is precisely
why I come to say goodbye toyou today. I have already said goodbye
on several occasions, and even forthose who may have downloaded and listened to

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the episode number one hundred and fortythat was recorded last year, precisely where
I said goodbye. Then I changedthe title, but now I' ve
decided to delete it since last weekbecause I don' t want to create
confusion and probably delete two or threemore because it' s not the first
time or not. That wasn't even the first one, and at

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that moment I didn' t knowI was gonna be the last to say
goodbye either. Not then, atthat time I' ve already done it,
I understand, I' ve heardit. That episode did do me.
He' s the Gregory of ayear ago, that Gregory who still
believed that, maybe there was nomore to do, that he was maybe
a little frustrated, that he wasmaybe a little bit unaware of what was

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coming later for him. He's a Gregory who still had a lot
of problems to solve emotionally and mentallyinternally. And it makes a Gregory that,
fortunately I can tell you right nowdoesn' t exist anymore. It
is a moment that is today,a year after that episode, of those,
of that epissession number one hundred forty, almost thirty, good thirty six

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more, but if I add tothem those that I did not number almost
forty more episodes of growth, ofunderstanding, with more interviews, with more
talks, with more reading, withmore observation, with more internal analysis.
I can tell you that Gregory wasin the past, that he' s
a Gregor who decided at the timeto move from that point where he was
and start healing. Fortunately, Ifeel at that moment that that healing,

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that that path is not yet finished, but that fortunately that path already exists
and I am already on track Iwill continue to have to move, because,
as a person who suffered from someaddiction very subject or linked to certain
behaviors or emotional feelings, does notmean that those emotions I cannot follow or

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I can not feel them anymore.What it will mean will mean rather or
what it will be doing is tofocus on me that when I perceive those
emotions or sensations within me, Iwill have the tools as I have them
now so that I can move on. I also want you to know that
what I felt, that I hadto say that after 180 episodes already,

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I feel that there was already,I said already, there is no way
to come here to try to sounddifferent when I no longer have ideas of
what to get inside me. I' m gonna keep learning. Don'
t get me wrong. I don' t think we' ll ever finish
learning in our lives. I wantto think that I will continue to learn

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more of many things from what happensinside me, like even other things that
happen around me. What I did, in sora and as I said a
few minutes ago, I feel likeI' ve learned everything I have to
learn about the evil that makes youalcohol, and that was mainly one of
my great motivations to come here,the vile telling you, trying to convince

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you of how bad that was foryou, just like it was for me.
So I already feel that again whatI learned, what I already said,
I already said it and even ifthere was the best chance of interviewing
other people to share the same thing, I definitely didn' t feel or
feel with that motivation anymore, becauseI want to use this space in time

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to do other kinds of activities thatalso bring me a lot of satisfaction.
Then I hope you understand. Nowit' s not you. It'
s me, but it' sme in the best version of myself.
I am in the best version ofhim who is not necessarily focused or linked
or thinking that I do it becauseI feel bad, because I have a
lot of pressure or because no onehas written to me or because he does

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not tell me. No, no, those were the previous episodes. Right
now, Ahorita. I do itbecause I really want it and I hope
that you either listen to me beforeor not You want the best for me
and that you wish me a goodfuture, a good future by undertaking another
kind of personal projects that also bringme happiness and that will keep me also

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focused and away from alcohol. Iwant to go my way. I'
m gonna go my way of soberingup with those broken chains of addiction.
As I have already told you,I am looking for my passion, I
am looking for my passion and Iam finding new projects, focusing on it
as photography is at the moment,and I hope in the future I can

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come with a podcast again, tobe able to come with a podcast that
is no longer necessarily talking about addictions, but that is something completely within me,
towards anyone who listens, but speakscompletely of something different. I still
can' t announce that, becauseit' s not necessarily even in its
beginnings. It' s just somethingthat lives in my mind. Let me

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comment here, put the space foranother anecdote. Now that I' m
telling you about the podcast, Istarted and these are the things I tell
you are obsessive personalities. I startedwith a microphone and a recorder. In
fact, that microphone and recorder Iended up returning thanks to Amazon, which

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has been Amazon has been faithful,the company that has accepted my returns.
He sent me a couple of e- mails at the time telling me and
asking me, hey, what's going on, why is he coming
back? So many things, butwell, I started with a microphone and
a recorder. Then he ended upreturning and I grabbed others. And that
' s where it started. Fromthere began an obsession to try to sound

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different. And I started buying microphones. And to date I have eight microphones
here. I don' t havethem in his drawer, eight microphones in
this and four recorders, two microphones. I sold them and ended up buying
another microphone. That one was sold, but you can' t buy it

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anymore, or I didn' twant to buy it again, but I
have eight microphones and four recorders todate. I tell you in my future
about podcasting or podcasting. It's not over. I still want to
take advantage of having the opportunity tohave a space to record, to have

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the feeling that there is something Iwant to say and, above all,
to be able to live the experienceof sharing with someone else. Before I
come to talk to you about thenext point, I' m going to
tell you the following story, ifyou had to bet right now. Where
I find myself recording right now,beyond where this is where I live,

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where I would believe this I'm recording and that' s part of
the obsession I also had. Iended up putting fum in my previous space,
when I lived in the house,in the original apartment, when I
started this project, I ended upputting fun everywhere a curtain to absorb the
sound and then I ended up movinganother place where I put panels that absorbed

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the sound and heard the truth,i e everyone who very well later I
turned to another place where this Itold you at the time that I was
almost crying because I listened to thetrucks that passed by, because I had
a window in front. Then,now I' m living here where I
am right now. I did practicallythe same thing to end up in a
place that I really like a lot. I like it, but I had

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a hard time understanding that this wasthe best place to record good. I
left you time to think. I' m recording right now from my closet,
from the closet fortunately, here theclosets, in some cases you have
the possibility to be like a minimini room. Fortunately, in this room
I fit with a bench, witha kind of table or a pulley with

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the microphone and where, as Ihave around the clothes I wear, shoes
and so on, the sound isabsorbed in the best way. Then I
want to tell you that today I' m recording from my closet. There
' s really nothing better for them. If you fit in your closet and
are looking to record some kind ofsound where you don' t have a

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camera, obviously, because you don' t want people to see. What
' s around you. I suggestyou go to your closet on YouTube.
As I already commented, Instagram andpodcast will continue the air, will not
be removed, They will be ableto be visited in the future and what
would be changing is the interaction thetruth to be able to leave me completely.

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I also have to get out ofconstantly checking it out. So if
you leave comments on YouTube still untilJuly, I also promise that I'
ll be checking them out and I' ll be answering them. If they
' ve listened. There is somethingto answer on Instagram in the same way
and, as I already mentioned,also from Spotify, which is the podcast

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in Spotify that regularly gives me theopportunity for you to participate, because it
is also reviewing them, I willbe publishing them, although there I can
no longer answer, but I approvethem so that they can be published on
the platform and the others also readit and also the mail let me remember
then it will be open until thelast day of July of the year two

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thousand twenty- four. He's walking through me. I want to
compromise with you that I will answerpractically all of them until that day,
because then the truth will remove themfrom all my devices, including from the
computer and cell phone. I wantto remind you not to give up.

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I want to say that I amvery grateful for the opportunity you give me
as always, to be here withyou, to have given me away sometimes
seconds, sometimes minutes, sometimes hoursof your time. I really appreciate it.
If you participated in any episode,through a message, through an email,
through a recorded participation. Thank youso much. I owe a lot

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of this growth, a lot ofthe place where I am right now.
I owe it to you and Iknow that many people owe it to you,
too, because I' ve alwayssaid it too. We never know
when we can change someone' slife. So don' t lose motivation
if you' ve started that pathto recovery, if you' re struggling

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right now against your addiction and don' t get past a few minutes or
hours getting that path of triumph,but you' ve got more to start
over. It doesn' t matterhow long you' re taking. I
took six years and I know thatthere are people who may take longer and
there will be very different people whomay not take more than a single effort,

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as at the time. In thefirst attempt at episode, Juliet mentions
truth that she and so she andmany others who at the time decided to
leave him and sometimes even without helpbeyond willpower and probably some other tools more
than to throw human was enough tobe able to overcome on this road,
to win in this war. Thenyou don' t get discouraged, go

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on, don' t give up. Every effort is worth it. Commit
yourself to the change Promise yourself that' s all I' m asking,
is that all I recommend you do? I' m not asking you is
that what I recommend you do?Commit yourself to that change. Once.
The great advantage that we have peoplewho have decided to change is that it

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is very, very difficult. Idon' t know yet about the one
who can' t want to bedifferent. And that' s already coming
in and it' s opening.The way for you to continue if you
started already, if you already seethe damage you do, it' s
going to be very difficult for youto stop doing it, to stop seeing
that damage, then maybe it'll be a tortuous path, because you

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' ll always try to fight toovercome that addiction, thinking that you can
control it, sometimes fooling yourself,thinking that you don' t have any
problem that really is just part ofthat experience. Drinking or smoking some substance
or some behavior, for as longas you don' t get caught,
as long as you don' tdrive drunk, as long as you don

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' t have mental gaps, aslong as you don' t hit your
wife, as long as you don' t mistreat your children, as long
as you don' t lose yourjob and so on, etcetera. You
' ll focus on those differences thatyou don' t experience right now and
they' ll seem reasonable and okay. It' s okay. Let me
tell you, you know you're okay,' cause that was six
years for me to see it thatway. Then I won' t judge
you if you see it that way. I also don' t just want

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to spend the time fast for youthat, maybe you don' t have
to live for any of those experiences, so you have to understand that those
are just the differences that you haveto focus on the similarities. If you
see any similarity in yourself and someoneelse who has already gone through certain complicated
moments of his life, addiction,substance, behavior, then maybe it'

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s more worth focusing on those similarities. Give him the time. Things take
time to grow up. So don' t despair. There are no faults
here, as I' ve saidlately. It' s not about failure
here. No one' s failinghere. If you are in a clear
attempt to overcome your addiction while youare convinced, even the times you have

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to start counting those minutes or secondsor days. That' s gonna be
learning. That' s not gonnabe a flaw. We learn from the
positive things and things we currently callnegatives. But give that idea a chance
to grow up and work. Whetherit' s minutes or hours, and
I' m going to those minutesor hours because the truth is very important

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to understand that it' s goingto take a lot of effort, that
sometimes you' re going to haveto even get to the minutes and the
hours, then the best, thebest of my wishes for you. I
' m in a better place thana year ago. I' m in
an emotional place, much better thana year ago. I feel a weight

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rather I no longer feel that symbolicweight on my shoulders. And the truth
is that, unlike all the previousoccasions, if you remember them, if
I have heard them, where healmost always listened to me, I was
sad to say that I closed it. It does not mean that I do
not feel internally moved and to someextent sad, also nostalgic, of having

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to close this six- year project, of reaching the more than one hundred
and eighty episodes without counting, Iinsist rather counting those that I did not
countless and the truth, talking andknowing many people of the course of that
time, people from many sides ofthe planet, of whom with the present

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day I still remain in contact,like Ruba, like Carlos, like Heber,
like Luis, truth there are onmy account. Well, like Tamara,
there they are on my account,they keep me at Whatsapp and we
' ll keep talking. Surely,I am left with all the love,
with all the affection that has mademe feel and that made me feel and

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I hope I have been able toreturn, even if it is a part,
a small part of all that youmade me feel every time you contacted
me. You don' t needto be alone. I hope you'
re not alone. There are otheroptions. Surely you will find more podcasts
that can help you, even morethan God’ s addiction has helped you.

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There is a lot of information onYouTube today. Focus on just what
to see if they really have agood source. Right, let' s
not talk about magic or anything here. That person who tells you he'
s gonna cure you in a minuteor in a session, sorry and a
lot, but he' s probablycheating on you. Focus on those first
who don' t need your moneyso they can help you. Although I

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understand that there are people who dedicatethemselves to this in very good faith and
who have to earn their existence.Then I want nothing more than for you
to be aware of whether I amgoing to invest this money in my health,
in my recovery, that is tosay with sources that are truly reliable
and have a plan for you,so that you can succeed. So,

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other podcasts, other YouTube pages,apps like I recommended Iyam Sover at the
time, that you can listen toother people like you how they have done
it or maybe you can give motivationand motivation. And in the last app
I also recommended, which is calledreframe, which I know is in Spanish,

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which is for Apple and which isalso for Android, you can download
reframe. There are very similar meetingsto those of anonymous alcoholics. He'
s not anonymous alcoholics, let metell you in case you don' t
want to give him the chance toanonymous alcoholics, it' s not.
They look a lot alike, butit' s not. You can have
your is through your phone where thereare several people connected or many people connected.

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You don' t have to beable to have your camera, you
don' t have to talk ifyou don' t want to, and
if, in any case, youwant more than that daily dose of collaboration
with other people who are there onthose meetings or the issues they try to
explain to you. You can alsopay for additional services where you can talk

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directly to the therapist or where youcan already have more participation in more closed
groups. And all that would costyou. But if you don' t
want to do it, then youdon' t. That' s the
big advantage. True you can stillreceive a service from me that I have
already tried for about a week andfraction, or a product of relative quality

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or quality to let be honest,for quality at a relatively small cost.
As long as we focus on thatcost that you' re going to have
to pay at best, you haveto be doing it every year and on
no account, you want to goeven further. You' d have to
keep investing in those personal aids fromone in one or more closed groups,

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but that' ll stay with you. I can openly recommend it. Refresh
me definitely by being at a differenttime in my life. I feel like
I don' t use it thatmuch or I' m taking it that
much. I provide just that Ialready know to know if I could recommend
it to you which I completely recommend. But most importantly, most importantly of

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all, your close circle, yourfamily, your friends, the people who
love you, anonymous alcoholics, whichis free of charge that there too you
will find friends, people who willfeel like you and who will understand you.
From the first word you say they' re going to understand you is

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the beauty of anonymous alcoholics and thosekinds of groups that you don' t
have to come to justify, thatthey don' t have to come to
feel, that you have to convincepeople to understand, to see that they
try to understand. How do youfeel from the first word, that you
utter in some statement that you wantto say because it went wrong, that
you fell from that which the otherperson will immediately understand you. You'

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re still gonna keep talking so youcan get that thing out of you.
But in my experience I wish allthe anonymous alcoholic groups were the same.
I' m honest. In myexperience, everyone is ready to give you
a hand, everyone is ready tolisten to you. The brotherhood that such
groups feel is the wonderful truth.We can have our vision, our perception,

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as I had it, I'm recognizing it. A few minutes
ago I interviewed people of anonymous alcoholicswithout even trying to understand what was still
going on inside me, even witha prejudice, no doubt, by the
time I realized the change that matteredthat represented or represented anonymous alcoholics. It

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was what made my process even fasterbecause I found community and that part I
needed to hear at the time Iheard from anonymous alcoholics and I openly remember
a session a little over a yearago. Once I saw myself being free
of alcohol for almost five months cryingin my car a little alcoholized, but

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talking to an anonymous alcoholic and cryingperson and that person listening on the other
side, completely letting speak. Theonly thing he said to me at the
end of having already golden, isto join me in a meeting. Come
on, let' s go today. Then I suggest you approach your circle

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of friends, approach your family,all those you need and that they need
you and like those, there willbe many more alternatives whenever you want to
see them you want to take advantageof them. Staying hidden isn' t
gonna help you, it' snot gonna help you. Staying in the

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addiction closet won' t help you. Betting is a pity to feel judged,
to feel that people are going todespise us, to feel that people
are going to mock us even.It' s hard to understand, but

(41:27):
it' s the best way youcan sometimes express what happens inside, it
' s to make others see thatthings aren' t like they think you
really need them and that it's the time that' s come to
help you get ahead. Thank you, thank you, thank you, and

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as far as we can find astrong hug. There will be a way
to communicate in the future. Ithink so, my projects, as I
have told you both about photography andpodcasting, will be public in due course.
Allow me not to have my ideaat that time of when or how

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we will stay in touch. Surelythere will be ways that, out there,
maybe, some of my future projectsat the time will obviously be public.
My e- mails. The truthis they' re going to be
that moment the god addiction closed.As I told you, there are other
ways, in community matters, ofsocial networks that we might be able to

(42:36):
get in touch with. But,well, fate will tell. In the
meantime, thank you again, thankyou, thank you, thank you that
you listened to you that you came, to you that you were part of
this Community. Thank you very muchto all the countries, more than seventy
countries in which God' s PodcastAddiction was heard and downloaded, to the

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more than two hundred and thirty thousandlisteners who also discharge or have discharged God
Addiction in the span of all thesemonths and years. Thank you so much
to YOU, Thank you so muchfor coming with me, Thank you so
much for giving me the opportunity tobe close, to YOU, for giving
me the opportunity to talk with you, for allowing me to share my defeats,

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my triumphs and all the learnings Ihad along the way. And right
now, it occurs to me toshare with you what I put in my
description in the podcast at the time. And already in this way I'
m going to say goodbye to twoaddiction podcast says I will share the struggles,
the triumphs, the defeats and everylesson you learn the way. While
I do, I will invite youto share with others your stories of addiction

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and recovery so that you can learnfrom them and remember that I am not
just stopping drinking. It' sjust the beginning to stay sober and then
become the person I know I shouldbe It' ll be the real adventure.
You want to join me. Thankyou for joining me. Thanks again

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for everything you' ve done forme and for what you did for the
podcast goodbye. Addiction Remember what peoplelove you? Remember what people love you?
Remember what people who want to seeyou get over your addiction don'
t turn your back on them.Talk to them head- on and ask
them for help. You would besurprised to see how many people are ready

(44:30):
and eager to help you on yourway to recovery and remember that if you
have the chance to be the personwho helps someone else, please do so.
There' s nothing more wonderful thanbeing able to see someone' s
smile. The smile and the lovethat someone else can give you for the
fact that he shook his hand inthe face of a moment of difficulty.

(44:52):
My name is Gregory Chiñas. Changeout this was goodbye addiction two s