January 18, 2025 • 44 mins
On this episode of Adventures In Vinyl we again visit the year 1994 and talk about this platinum album by this Fort Worth, Texas band. That band is the Toadies and the album is of course Rubberneck!
Song of The Week!
Beautiful Night - Burden Brothers - Buried in Your Black Heart
Just Like Heaven - The Cure - Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me
Stump The Barron!
Clear My Head - Wool - Budspawn
The Toadies - Rubberneck
Genre: Hard Rock
Release Date: August 23, 1994
Studio(s): Record Two Mendocino (Comptche, CA), T
he Sound Factory (Hollywood, CA)
Producer(s): Tom Rothrock, Rob Schnapf
Label: Interscope
Length: 36:21
Number of Tracks: 11
For more information on the band The Toadies you can check out their website at http://www.thetoadies.com . IF you enjoyed this podcast be sure to check us out at our website at www.adventuresinvinyl.com where you can find links to our episodes and through our support section you can find a place to order you very own adventures in vinyl T Shirt.
Song of The Week!
Beautiful Night - Burden Brothers - Buried in Your Black Heart
Just Like Heaven - The Cure - Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me
Stump The Barron!
Clear My Head - Wool - Budspawn
The Toadies - Rubberneck
Genre: Hard Rock
Release Date: August 23, 1994
Studio(s): Record Two Mendocino (Comptche, CA), T
he Sound Factory (Hollywood, CA)
Producer(s): Tom Rothrock, Rob Schnapf
Label: Interscope
Length: 36:21
Number of Tracks: 11
For more information on the band The Toadies you can check out their website at http://www.thetoadies.com . IF you enjoyed this podcast be sure to check us out at our website at www.adventuresinvinyl.com where you can find links to our episodes and through our support section you can find a place to order you very own adventures in vinyl T Shirt.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode of Adventures in Vinyl, we again visit
the year nineteen ninety four and talk about this platinum
album by this Fort Worth, Texas band. That band is
the Tody's and the album is, of course, Rubberneck. It's
(00:37):
another episode of Adventures in Vinyl. Yep, did you get
a We survived the first polar vortex winter storm of
twenty twenty five in the central Arch Claust area. How
much so did you get in Cala? We got eight
inches I think, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We got about ten in our house Amono, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you got further. It was weird further south I guess
was where? Yeah, I mean more Sherwood, like northwest Arkansas
didn't get near as much.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, he's usually opposite. Well, and sure we got like
a foot crazy. Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. You guys
built snowmen, snowball fights.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, kids went sledding fights, snow men, all the things
gutters drooping, had to fix on of course everything.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah. Yeah, that's all the snow off our solar panels
in our house. Yeah. You when do you go looking
around be like, oh crap, I need to get some
of that snow off the roof. The Good news is
you got a metal roof. We got a mess.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Got to get it started. Yeah, then it just starts
falling down and it starts sliding off, yeah, which makes
it easier.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, it was really cool. Like mam Mill
he had something really cool over about the Kroger's this
big open lot. So everyone from town like just we
we dug out went just riding around because of snow.
But the roads were clear, like by the time the
sun got shining on Friday, the roads were pretty much good.
But everyone it's like everyone in Mamet's out sledding on
this one hill and then this big open field there
(01:53):
was like twenty snowmen. It was just like everyone was
just playing in this big thing of snow and everyone's
having a good time. That's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
There's one spot here in town. It's uh near the
railroad tracks. There's this hill a bridge that goes over
the railroad tracks and then of course they slope up right. Yeah,
and so the the hill right there is perfect for sledding.
So we took our kids over there and they had
a blast. JD snowboarded on the hill for the first
time snowboarded before, so he just thought that was Oh,
he loved it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It was awesome. Yeah, it was great. Cool. He took
a dive. You have to take a dive. Well yeah,
but the good news is it was like good wet,
fluffy snow, so the dive is like, oh wow, shake
it up.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
All well, and he took the dive pretty quick, like
right after he'd gotten started.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We hadn't gathered all the speed yet. Yeah. And so
once you got to figure it out, like you know,
the whole side. Yeah, and you got to keep knees
slightly bent. Yeah, and you just kind of do a
half it's not even a squat. It's not even a
half squad. It's like barely a squats, barely. It's just
to lower that center of gravity just enough to engage
a quads.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, and like can I get your balance and and
then you just kind of act like a spring.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And he just went straight down. I mean, he's just
figuring out how to be on the thing. It's not
figured it out turns and all that stuff yet. So anyways,
it was great. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's good. Well, I guess ready to get into song
of the week. Yeah, let's do it all right, Hey,
as we're I think we're covering one of the great
albums that we like with the band, like the Todies.
A lot of history, Yeah, a lot of history behind there.
I figured this would be appropriate. While The Toties were
one of the hotter prospects of the major kind of
grunge label, the major grunge era right during the nineties,
(03:24):
there are link between albums, you know, and the internal
dissension kind of broke the band up after their Yeah
two thousand and one album. So at that time, former
Easy Strablan drummer Tas Bentley came to Lewis. Todd was
first names like Todd Lewis Todd Lewis about starting a
project in order to be independent avoid major labels, you know,
(03:46):
they agreed to kind of just get together and do
a grassroots duo. So this song is from that band.
Of course. I love beautiful. It's a great song. Yeah,
I know where you're going with this, Like this is
a perfect song of the week for Rubbert Diick. I
was like, hey, this is it, Like I can't. I
was gonna put this on Stuff to Bear and I
(04:06):
was like, no, this is too easy. Yeah, I know
you're gonna know it you're gonna recognize it from Todd
Lewis's voice from the beginning, like I go, Yeah, I've
always loved this song. Yeah, yeah, it's great. So this
is of course Beautiful Night by the Burden Brothers. It's
off the album called Buried in Your Black Heart. Beautiful
Night is the third track of the album. The album.
The track was a commercial excess. It charged at number
twenty four on the Billboard Mainstream Rock Charts. Great catchy tune.
(04:29):
It's been used all over the place. I'm sure it's
made these guys. It's a good thing they did at
Independent because it probably made him a lot of freaking money.
Oh yeah, because I see this all. I hear this
all over the person. Oh yeah. They still played on
the radio.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah. I mean it's kind of one of those timeless songs.
Just a great rock song. It sounds fantastic. I mean,
this is Todd Lewis like right in his range. Yeah
it's great.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, it's good. Scuff, it's good. But yeah, that was
a song of the week. I thought it was a
purpert Yeah, definitely, what about you, man, what's your song
of week week?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So I've been on a cure kick, pure of late
going through especially like the mid late eighties early nineties
catalog and it was funny. I ran across a cover
by a band that I can't stand AFI. Not a
fan of AFI, never been. I don't like that, but
they do a fantastic cover of Just Like Heaven.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And there's actually an episode of the show MTV Icons
where Robert Smith was in attendance and AFI played this
song for Robert Smith and the band and it was
a very solid cover. But this is Just Like Heaven
by the Cure off to kiss Me, kiss Me, kiss
Me album from nineteen eighty seven. Robert Smith still considers
(05:41):
this to be the best song that he ever wrote.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I don't disagree yeah with that opinion at all.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I mean, I would argue Friday I'm in Love, but
I mean I absolutely love this song as well.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
There's something where when you can take a song like
just Like Heaven and you can do your own interpretation, right, yeah,
and you make it sound just as good, if sometimes better,
right than the original. That just shows the talent of
the artist who wrote the song. Yeah, right. And that's
(06:15):
when you like Prince some of his songs, when you
cover them, they're absolutely beautiful and Prince hated when people
cover this stuff, but that just shows I think when
you have an artist that's so talented. Yeah, I think
that's what's cool.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I mean you just look at their catalog, look at
how many hits he wrote. Yeah, I mean kind of
helped create an entire genre of music and alternative.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean, really, he is one of the creators of
the entire alternative genre.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Band's like RAM and such. Right, So if Neil Young's
the godfather of guns, the godfather of alternatives, I would
think so.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, he kind of took what started out as like
kind of a punkish sound and morphed into an alternative
sound in the mid late eighties, kind of helped start
that along with you know, if there's other bands out
there as well that you know, guys like Bob Mold
and you know, bands like Big Star and things like that,
you know, like that kind of helped also create it.
But I think Robert Smith was kind of like probably
(07:12):
the highest profile of all of them. But yeah, I
mean it's just an absolute classic. The magic of the
song for me is in the guitar and a play,
the great vocal melody, great vocal harmonies, and it's just
one of the most like perfectly crafted songs that I
can think of coming out of the eighties in all honesty.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, but cure cools like Evan, Yeah, it's a good song.
All right. Well, you know time, it's that time. It's
that time. If you've been listened to the episode every
once in a while, you know it's our time for
one of our favorite segments. But it's another episode of
the Ventures in Vinyl And you know what that means.
(07:50):
It's another episode of Stump the baron on. Stump the Baron.
I pick a random song from a random genre, give
Adam a few clues with all his moderately well versed
musical knowledge, attempts to guess the artist, album and song title.
We used to keep score, but uh we stopped doing it.
Really have no idea what the score is and we're
just tithing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Funny. I like that you mixed up your assessment of
my music knowledge document today.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well you can think chat GPT, chat GPT. Okay. I
was like, give me another way to say, give me
a synonymous phrase above average musical knowledge, and it was
like boop. I was like perfect digs jow cheept, thank
you AI.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
All right, so pretty soon we're gonna be ruled by
our AI overlords.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, probably. But the thing is, we would put all
the wrong stuff in there, so all they would do
is search TikTok all day long and send us pick
news feeds. That's how we.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Would train our and make AI tworking women. That's it,
all right, that's it, let's do this all right.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay. So so it was prep up for the episode.
I picked one of the albums that influenced Rubber Deck.
Ok this was hard to find, so I won a
lot of credit for when I stumpy on this one. Okay,
So the track I picked is off It's the third
track off a nineteen ninety two EP. I'll go ahead
and start playing it. I think this one's gonna stomp you.
But there's a lot of history behind it, and I
(09:07):
thought would be good for the episode.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Okay, you're not going to get it.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
But how I found this It's got a really good story. Okay.
But this band is out of Washington, DC and they
specialize in a rough but melodic brand of punk rock
based hard rock for a brief part of the nineties.
(09:41):
M it's from the Stall brothers Stall, and if you're
a bit of a fighter, you'll recognize the last name Stall.
In early years, I.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Think of an actor named Nick Stall who was in
movies like Sin City and No some other kind of
creepy No.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
This is actually a band that had friends Stall, Franz Stall,
who did a tenure with the Food Fighters. Oh see, Yeah,
when you said that name, I knew. But I'm uh,
it's not Scream is it. No? But there's ties to
Scream yes, crap, I give up. Yeah, So all right,
(10:24):
here's what's cool in the stuff me. Yeah, so I
was watching that rubber Neck documentary that's like Clarkogler. Yeah. Yeah,
the this is clear my Head from the band Wool
off the album Budall This is Wool Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah, so I remember reading about it. I listened
to a couple of tracks, but not this one.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah. So the Stall brothers they were in Scream, right,
and a lot of those guys at Scream were part
of Foo Fighters. Dave Roll knew them all that stuff, right,
So that's coming in that whole. Hey, when grunge punk
birds and became this sound, they were forced to terminate
the band after Bassis Skeeter Thompson left the band and
after drummer Dave Goal when Scream broke up, joined Nirvana
(11:12):
Girls a DC boy, right, so you know he he
was all these members of Scream and so when Scream
broke up, they formed Wool and so this album heavily
influenced Todd Lewis's interesting. He wanted he wanted the album,
that's why.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's why he picked That's why he picked Tom Roth
Rock and Rop.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That guy, Rob Schnapp, So that's why they you know,
kind of did that and went to So that's right.
I remember seeing that in the documentary. Now, that's yes,
because we we both did make a point of watching
and making That's why I was like, I don't know,
I don't know if you'll pick it up or not.
I didn't listen to that song. Maybe if I'd listened
to the song, I have caught it and let me
tell you, Yeah, it was. It was just really cool.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So okay, all right man, So rubber Neck speaking of
rubbern Neck.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Speaking of rubber Neck, it's time. Yeah, I'm excited about
this one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We both obviously have seen the Toadies many times. Yeah,
so those bands that we've caught live on multiple occasions
over the years.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, twenty years. Well, I was just trying to count
it up, and I'm kind of beyond my fingers and
toes for how many times I've seen the Todies live? Now,
When did you see them? When was the first time
you saw the Todies? Is U? I saw them open
up for someone in the nineties when Rubberneck came out.
That was the first time. The second time I saw
with you and Donnie, third time or fourth time, I
think I saw it with you at Donnie Okay. And
(12:42):
then as they started migrating into Dallas Fort Worth, I'd
pick them up, and then when they form again, we
go see them and then I'd be like Memphis and may,
oh there's the Toadies. And then during that thirtieth during
that anniversary of this album, I think I saw them
like three or four times, just because they were touring
a lot. And then I go to a festival they
were there and I was like, oh, oh, Toty said,
I'm gonna watch the Toty S. And then anytime they
(13:02):
come through, I just always go to a show, so
I know I'm close to like twenty times.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I never saw them on the Rubber Neck Tour. I
never saw them on any of those, but I did
catch them in Dallas on the Hell Below, Stars Above tour.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And that was good. Yeah. I mean I've seen them
by myself more times that i've seen them with you
or with that with Donnie. But it's like, Hey, I'm
just gonna go to Toty's Concup because it was like, Hey,
the Toty's, well, they come through our area pretty often. Yeah, yeah, Tulsa,
Fatteville or yeah. And I feel like because I appreciate
this album so much anyway, So Robert Eck, debut album
(13:39):
for the band Toty's Robert Deck, was released on August
twenty third, nineteen ninety four. The album consists of eleven
tracks and clocks in for a total length of thirty
six minutes and twenty one seconds. The heavity opener were
listed to is called Mexican Hairless, which clocks in and
women in forty eight seconds falls. He moved by the
band opening up their debut album with an instrumental well,
and it's a nod to the Reverend Hortneen himself.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, because I kind of think of
them that I think the term that was coined for
the Reverend Horton and heat with Cycle Billy. Yeah, so
it's funny. Mexican Hairless leads perfectly into mister Love. But
I almost feel like they're one song, right, split into
two pieces, yep, just because they have that same vibe
and speaking a vibe. This album is a vibe. It
(14:21):
is a vibe. There's a definite theme to it. If
you listen to the lyrics, you'll see undertones talking about
I mean, honestly, when I when I listen to this album,
I think of being out in rural central Texas on
some rural highway where I'm about to get a flat
tire and get assistance from a roadside mechanic who's gonna
chloriform me and sacrifice me to his human cult, his
(14:41):
human sacrifice cult. Yeah, that kind of happens, Gonna ppeel
my face off and get where it's possum king.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
When you kind of go past weather for Texas, that's
where everything starts to get a little bit weird. Yeah,
it's it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's it has It kind of brings out the weird
parts of Texas.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like and hey, those of us live in Arkansas, right,
we can relate. There's plenty of weird areas. Yeah, in Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Just go out to Atkins and go north from there
and I know you'll you'll find some weird spots. Man.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Hey. But clocking in at two minutes and fifty one
seconds is mister Loves Love, which is number one single,
number one second track off the album. It's about a
guy in the DFW music scene who changed his last name.
So that's this dude and he just changed his last
name and they just started calling mister Love. Interesting. Was
(15:30):
it mc lovin? Yeah, No, I don't think it was.
It wasn't mcloven. It was just it was this guy.
It was just the love. That's where's kind of the
That's what's interesting. But it's that I love this aggressive
tone and how it comes in because when you when
you listen to the album, it works, you're like Mexican
hairless comes on and you're like, all right, I don't
know if I'm angry, I don't know if I'm excited,
(15:52):
but I'm ready to have some fun.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So like I said before, Reverend Hortoney heat, I mean
this it's like a cycle. Billy again was the term
that was Horned coined for us for you to say
Adam for the Reverend Horton Heat. I feel like these
guys are like an alternative trippy version of the Red
vand Horton Heat. Yeah, in a lot of ways, just
based upon the chords they use. The vibes that they
(16:14):
create in their song still have that fast paced, like
almost rockabillish kind of sound, but again like they kind
of go.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
More creepy yeah with things, and but you know, I
love it. It's cool, it works, It totally works for
this album, completely works. And here's the thing, like I've
been like in the DFW music scene, like these guys
are prominent, right yeah, Like when the Toady's tour, they
carry bands in the scene with them. We saw Flickuorstick
(16:42):
because of the Toadies, yes, right yeah, Like that's just
the way it works. They find a band that they like,
they bring them on and they try to get them
the exposure. It's just a pure, pure, pure, I think,
a great thing that the Toties do absolutely all right. Man.
So we're on number track number three right now. Number
three is Badder. So it's the last single off the album.
Clocks in at two minutes and thirty seconds, nice little
(17:07):
change up.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think of the groove from Mister Love to Backslider. Yeah,
this is a it's a great mixture. The riff, especially
of blues and alternative. Yeah, really points to the band's
Texas roots. It's not my favorite song on the album,
but again, it fits the vibe so much of the
What my assessment of this album is is does the
song fit.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
The vibe of the album?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, it does, because I think that's kind of what
they were going for, is they were trying to create
a vibe whenever they recorded this album. Keep in mind
that this album was released like a year after the
Branch Davidians standoff in Waco, Texas with the FBI and
the ATF and correct. It was crazy. I remember that.
I think I was fifteen at the time, and uh,
(17:49):
you know that was all over the place. Yeah, and
I mean so these guys were just down the road
from there. Yeah, I mean like, and and that was
like a big that was a huge deal, big deal. O.
Did you did you ever see the series? Yeah? Ye
was his name Taylor.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah that's really good.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
That was really good, excellent, But but man, like so
they were very influenced by that. I mean I think uh,
Todd Lewis was a backsliding Christian hence the song Backslider.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But but they're very like.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Religious themes, cults, things like that all influencing this album
and you feel it in the album. Yeah, and so
again the vibe is it points to all of that
and it's just a.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It makes for a unique album. Well, it's not bad
from a guy who you know, worked at a record
store who didn't think it was going to last warehouse, right, Yeah,
he was like, yeah, there's no way this, this is
gonna make it like, this is totally gonna crap out.
There's no way, there's no way, there's no way. Yeah.
So so by the way of history real quick.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
These guys, as we mentioned several times now, they're from
Fort With, Texas. They formed in nineteen eighty nine. They
all work together at sound Warehouse Prior to starting the band.
They played their first show at the Axis Club in
Fort Worth in April nineteen eighty nine. Early tours had
them classified as a hair metal band, so they ended
up playing tours with like Dokin and Great White.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well, of course they were developed an audience. Well, no
one knew what grunge was.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, Well, and they'd only sold a couple thousand albums.
Whenever they finally did the music video for Possum Kingdom,
which is that along with a tour with Bush, Yeah,
they exploded. And then speaking of Possum Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, the four track off the album, The clocks aud
of five minutes and ninety seconds nine seconds, not ninety
is the second single called Possum Kingdom. Yeah, so this
one was big.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It was number nine on the Billboard Mainstream Rock charts,
number four on the Modern Rock Charts, and number forty
on the Radio Songs.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, it's super popular. Do you get tired of it?
You know?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I did get tired of it at one point, and
then I didn't hear it for a long time, and
then I started hearing it again and it reminded me,
first of all, what the radio kind of did the
songs back.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
In the nineties. Yeah, but it made me look at
this from a new perspective and go, you know, this
is bett an excellent song.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's pretty good. Yeah, it's a very simple riff. It's
basically an E.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Chord with with the one dropped out on the B string.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, just from E to A. That's the main riff.
It's a great, simple little riff, but again, the vibe
it totally hits the vibe check well.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And when you're listening track to track, like it's so good,
it's really good. And Amy listened to the vinyl like
I got it on vinyl finally, and I'm like, I
just listened to it and it's a great song.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And it's not even my favorite song on the album, no,
but it's a great song.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
To me.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Again, so much as it hinges on, does the song
meet the vibe check vibe check on the album and
this one absolutely does. And it's one of those again
that like kind of helped reserve the band to place
in alternative history in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, I think, And the song was huge. I mean
when I see, like any time I've seen the toa show,
like I see a mixture of like at the when
they played the Hall the twenty seventh of December. I
went there and I go and looking at the merch,
you know, and I was like, I'm not gonna buy
any vinyl, but you know, I'll get some sticker or
some coozies or you know something. And you know, when
(21:19):
I was sitting there looking like there was a dude
probably my age, maybe a little bit older, you know,
mid late forties, and he had his son who's probably
nineteen twenty. And I see these dads, well, you need
a Toty's T shirt. This's your first Tody show here.
Well you might as well get a sweatshirt too, since
they got all the thing and if here get that
(21:39):
and he's like, he goes, yeah, man, that's your first
Toties concert. He goes, oh, I just love this rubbert
Any of the kids just talking about the album in
the album. And then when we went to a soft Flickerstick,
I was waiting the merch line. There's this girl like
maybe sixteen years old wearing a rubberneck T shirt. And
I turn around. I was like, you're a little bit
too young to even remotely know about that album, right,
(22:00):
And she's like, you don't understand. My dad's been playing
this album since. I was like, I go, no, that
explains it. I was like, there you go. I was
like I get it. I and I go do you
know the first time I saw Flickorstick? And I told
the whole Flickerstick story there and I was like it
was actually, you know, they were opening up for the Todies,
the Canes Ball and I just went through that and
(22:20):
I was like, yeah, we met and they're like, oh yeah,
that's so cool, and and it was just it was
just cool to see. I like it when younger generation
are seeing some of these bands.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
When they find actually good music. Yeah, right, especially because
like it helps us relate.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
To them when you introduce them to an album, like
they're like youth at least, not my son's generall. I
think maybe my son's generation, yeah generation, and maybe the
one like shortly after they know that there's no good
music and like my son's pulling like all these you know,
(22:57):
metal bands out of the eighties and all these others,
and he he's looking through my record collection. They're having
to go back to find it. Yeah yeah, so basically
I probably are. If you ever seen that.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
YouTube show where they play songs from like different decades
to like the sixteen seventeen year olds, now, yeah, I
mean some of those Like I remember I watched one
where they were playing uh it was new metal from
the early two thousands and late nineties to these sixteen
year old kids. They were loving it, loving it. It's
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freaking new metal. Even we kind of look at it
and go. But that shows you how little there is,
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
That's almost what we need to do is find some
like find some college kids like eighteen nineteen years old
and have them listened to have them do a guest
We do a we do a have you heard this one? Yeah,
maybe that's a cool segment where we start finding some
young people. We pick a we pick five five songs
are just one song, and we focus on that one
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song and it's like, no, this is the first time
you hear this. We give the whole history in their life.
Oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah, they said, oh my god,
this is super weird.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
There's a lot of those kinds of shows on YouTube
these days, and they're really entertaining because again, it gives
you perspective into like how little there is to like
these days and how much there is to like. Yeah,
and it's such an old dude thing to say, okay, boomer,
but it's just true.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, it is what it is. Now I'm gonna quit
saying okay boomer and be like okay x here yeah, right,
okay exs here. Yeah, seriously, all right. The song on
the album three minutes and thirty three seconds is quitter.
So it's an interesting progression and he just yells quitter. Yeah.
I enjoy the pace in the dissonant chorus. Oh ad men.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's not my favorite song on the album. No, I
mean again, it passes the vibe check.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, well it's interesting. That's the same linked as the
final track on the album. Yeah, it has its place.
I recognize it instantly. I don't tend to skip it,
but I'm like, oh, this is quitter. Yeah, but what
I listened to is the chord progression, kind of the
raging stuff. The lyrics are a little bit different, but
it like comes in heavy and it simmers down. But
it the album. It's unique and it goes with the
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vibe the vibe check. So it's like, I'm not skipping it. Yes,
I may. It may not be my favorite, but it's
like it fits, and I'm like, this is a continuation
of pop. I don't like get it as a continuation
the Possum Kingdom. Yeah, and not as a separate trap. Sure,
I get that. That's that's humique. That's all I gotta
say about quis Oh yeah, yeah, right, let's move on,
all right, all right, all right, Well, the third single
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six track off the album, It's cocks in At four
minutes and thirty four seconds.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It is the track away number twenty three on the
Billboard Mainstream Rock chart's number twenty eight on the Modern
Rock charts.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Again passes the vibe check.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Love the lead guitar line in the verse, as well
as kind of like the marching beat of the pre chorus,
you know when they're all hitting or on the floor,
and while the chorus is really short, I mean it's impactful.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, it really solid.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Song, especially like with the the haunting doubled when I'm
away vocals, kind of like prior to and after the
guitar solo section. So absolutely, yeah, it is great and
it's a great song. It wasn't as big from radio
perspective as some of the other ones, but I mean
it absolutely found an audience and it made more people
go up and I rub her neck.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, So, I mean, really solid song.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Man, not my favorite one on the album, but it's
a great song.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Eventheless all right, I like a way too. Yeah all right.
The seven track off the album is another popular track.
This is the one where you see everyone. This is
the deep one of the deep cuts. Yeah, and this
is the Cole's favorite song. Yeah, favorite Tody song. She
was like, we were at the show. She didn't want
to stay for the full thing. Oh, they always play
it lot, they always play it live always, and she goes,
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look after it come from the water Spine. I was like, well,
we're gonna miss I burned. But I tell you what,
I don't see the I didn't see the one of
those big kettle drums they usually bring them out at
the end. No, they didn't have them on the set.
You could see them and they weren't doing it. I
was like, and you could tell the band was kind
of pushing. And I was like, look, I've seen these
songs twenty times performed live. Like if you're ready to bolt,
wing a bolt. So we you know, we kind of
bolted a little bit early since we're getting older. But
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as long as she saw the song, she was good.
Did you have to stand for the show? I know
we did the mess, okay, miss Seats.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I was gonna say, like, if you had to stand,
i'd understand why you left.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, I mean the problem is they're not comfortable scenes.
No they're not, I remember you. No, they're just a stool. Yeah,
and so you're you know you're parking, you're parking, you know,
your butt on a stool and not a lot better.
And when you look at it on a concrete page. Yeah,
and when you're when you're in the mes, you know,
you got to get there early to get a seat, yeah,
to get a good view. It's a great place to
(27:32):
see a show. But like what I found was perfect
is it's better if you just don't have an opener. Yeah,
like start the show.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
At eight and absolutely, especially with the audience of the hall.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
It's not like a twenties well they don't let you
play past eleven anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, I say, well, and it's not a twenties audience
kind of venue. It's more like late thirties, forties, fifties even. Yeah,
like that's the age range that you have at the hall.
So anyways, man, I mean just again, great song. Yeah,
it's another great song meets with the vibe of the
album like fantastic, Yeah, he passes the vibe check deep cut.
It's one of those tracks like if you know this album,
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you know I come from the Water. Yeah, all right, man,
onto one of the standouts in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, I think track number eight, which clocks in in
four minutes and thirteen seconds. It's the fourth single off
the album called Tyler. It's such a good song, but
the story behind it is super eerie.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, man, okay, so this is the song that got
me into the Toadies.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I heard Possum Kingdom and thought that's good, but I'm
not gonna go buy the album.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Then I heard Tyler was like, yep, going to get it,
and this is easily like the background behind this. Vade
and Todd Lewis had Grandparents album Way East Texas or
something like that. Right, it's small town. So as they'd
sit around and discuss what kind of what was going on,
rumors around like peeping toms and the farmhouses were going around, like, well,
this guy keeps looking in my window at night. You know,
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just that type of weird stuff that you know, if
you've lived out in the middle of the country, you know,
sometimes weird stuff happens product of a lot of good
in breeding. Yeah. Yeah, So he kind of kind of
took all that and conceptualized the song. Right, And the
every Toty show I've been to, the entire audience is
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singing and chanting and rocking along with this song, and
I'm always like, do they understand what the song the
songs out? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I'm guilty of doing
that too, right, I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm like
that whole line and beer and then I go in
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the fridge and get myself a beer, right, And I'm like, God,
that's super dark and creepy.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It is really weird because now you've invaded the home
about like being peak peeping Tom, but then taking it
to the next step and invading the home.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Correct and knowing that person's in the room the balance
injuries and I'm like being able to do that lyrically
and tell that story. But people are rocking along with
how the track is composed, and the lyrics are dark,
but because they go along with the song, it pulls
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the crowd in and I and it's apparent a song
that always evokes emotion correct, And it's apparent in all
the songs in the album. I see that when I
watched the Toadies play live with the audience. There's a
lot of personal experience, a lot of album personal people
that identify with each one of the songs. And I
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have only seen that a couple of times in live shows, right,
And it's like I saw it with Dashboard Confessional where
they played popular songs and it was all popular songs.
But anytime I've seen the Toadies play Rubberneck, and when
I saw them play the thirtieth anniversary Rubberneck show, the
whole crowd was like, in every single moment, that's very nuts.
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It's just respect to Baden Todd Lewis's ability to write.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
This is one of the three quintessential songs for me
on the album I Mean Again. It's the song that
made me go out and buy the album. Yeah, just
because it grabbed me.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Man. I had a buddy name Steve.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Nation who played this song for me and it was
just like, man, it just pulled me in and then
the rest is history. So good stuff, man, Love Tyler. Yeah,
all right, I agree.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
So now I track off the album, This aggressive one
is two minutes and fifty eight seconds, and you know what,
it's pretty much a big middle finger to every fake
happy person out there.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And that track is called happy Face. Yeah, it definitely
again passes the vibe check. I'll admit I don't really
like this song all that much. I don't I don't
vibe with it. Myself. It doesn't grab me, but it
has its place. Just like almost every song on this album,
it has its place.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, I would say it's not it's not my favorite.
Like the lyrics, I just don't. I think the lyrics
are a little bit repetitive. I'm with it, but I
like the vibe of how the song's composed, except for this,
Like I like the hook, but how they transition in
the hook, it's just a little bit disoriented, sure, but
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it's not bad. It meets with the album. I don't
skip it, but I would say it's I would agree
with your sense. Maybe a little bit of filler in
a way, a little bit of filler, but it has
its place, and it's under three minutes, so it just
kind of works. It does not stay. It's welcome. H Yeah,
it does not stay. It's fair, all right, moving on,
Moving on, all right. To the track as we wrap
up the album, This Dark One is about a breakup
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which clocks in at three minutes and thirty three seconds,
not three minutes of thirty three seconds. That's my progressive
three lenses. I got progressive lenses, and as I reading
my notes, I shifted my eyes and I was reading
the blurry part, so forgive me. At two minutes and
thirty seconds, this is called Velvet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So I love the open to this one with Todd
Lewis screaming his way into the track.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If you're concerned with getting radio play or with hurting
the feelings of wop pansies, then you could argue this
track does not age.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Well, no, but the lyrics and you realize it does not.
But if you really don't like a person, I think
you get one of those audio cards and you put
this track in it and as soon as they open
it up, because it's about emotion and this is the
lyric you want it playing when you open that card
is like, that's the I would record that, put it
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on a card. Yeah, And if I was breaking up
with it, that that's like the card I would say
every Valentine's Day, every Birthday, every Christmas. It would be
an open up and then it would be that snippet
of the song.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So when you consider the next track, I think this
song is actually perfectly placed as far as like the
vibe of the album Oh yeah, yeah, because it kind
of leads nicely from a vibe perspective into the final track.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
To me.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
One of the best songs I see live period is
I Burn.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah. I Burn is the let a track off the album.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
If you haven't done it yet, folks, this is where
you turn the volume into maximum on whatever device you
are playing this song on.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
If you go to see the Toadies and you've not
seen the Toadies before, you always stick around for the
encore because this is the last song they're going to play,
and it's freaking fantastic.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
And having been a part of this, every time I
listen to this song, I get choose. It doesn't change.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
It never gets old. I listen to it almost like
five six times a week, easily.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Like it constantly rotates around. I jam to it all
the time. It is like it's one.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Of the complex It's like three chords the entire time.
I mean, while Tyler got me into the album, it
was I Burned.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
It guaranteed my attention. Well, and if you really like Rubberneck,
you have to listen to the album Heretics, which is
all different cuts in a folk or acoustic manner for
all of these songs. Interesting, okay, And that's interesting as
well to see just to see how those songs could
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be adapted. We were talking about covers earlier in the show,
same type of prose, but just think it as the
todies covering their own songs, but in a different jawn
Mashon sure, in a different genre. Yeah. So if you
go see the Toadies live and they always play I
Burn in the encore, they always drink Miller light.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
They bring out the text with like these big kettle
drums and a symbol, and when you get to the bridge,
they just go freaking nuts and it is so great.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It builds to like a massive peak and a great
ending of the song.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean, to me, again, there's other songs that got
me into the album, but if you listen to one
song off this album, to me personally, it's Ivern.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
And then you know, at this point in the song
where Todd Lewis starts to scream and here goes, it
builds into this and it just such an awesome song.
So live.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mentioned these drums but like multiplied by five, I mean,
it's huge and it just like Todd said, it gives
you chills man, the whole song. But you know this
is a the perfect ending to this album.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, I agree, I completely agree.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I think I think Todd Lewis said like this, he
kind of imagined this as.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
The the follow.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Up to Possum Kingdom from a story perspective, And I
get it.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I get it well. And I just think, look at
imagine producing the work of art like Reuberneck, right and
realizing that that's probably your best stuff you ever put up. Yeah.
And when I see them play, I know, because I
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know they have to be thinking, yeah, now they have
good stuff after that. Don't get me wrong. Like I've
seen them play like Dull Skin Live.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
It was really good and stuff like a heel, right,
but you know that when they play their set when
when they play their set list is going to be
like half at least half tracks from from rubber Neck.
I mean it's just going to be they know, they know,
they know what people want to hear.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, they know what people want to hear that. I mean,
this is the album is a classic. Man. Yeah, I
would agree, I would agree. So final thoughts. All Right,
So I read through a lot of the mainstream reviews
and I disagreed with how they rated it. When the
album came out, you remember what, Oh, it was a
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lot of like three stars, three and a half for
a little bit like just not yeah, I mean, but
what I found was, like the Village Voice, I read
a stipet from the Village Voice and they noted that
the band shrewd mixture of black metal, Thematics, punk aggression
and grunge melancholia, melancholia, melan I don't that big word
grun stuff. It contains a seed of genuine revelation that
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rewards anyone who isn't scared off by the width of
brimstone and scandal that clings to their work. Okay, I
thought that was agree with that they use. Yeah, but
you know, but that what I find when I look
at kind of the Texas rock. I would never thought
that Texas had a different punk subgenre, but they do, right.
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And I think when you look at an influential with
a band like the Toadies who came up in the
nineties and they're so influential in that scene, a lot
of the bands in that Texas area, I credit a
lot of that to the Todies with all the opening lyric,
you know, with all the opening acts and everything that
they brought in. I think it's Lewis's lyrics and vocal
range makes the album a differentiator. It's hard for me
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to find a lot of flaws because every track goes together. Yeah,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I heard the band described as the Pixies meets Metallica.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, I mean in a way it kind of fits. Yeah,
I mean it. I was like, this album really really
works for me, and it's really hard for me to
assess what I think is the right rating, okay, because
it's really really high, Yeah, really high, and it's probably
the highest ranking I've got for an album, and I'm
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struggling with like that last little bit.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
So I mean again, this one, it has an entire
vibe to it. Every song on the album fits within
the theme of the album itself and the vibe that
you get from that theme. I mean, on the vibe side,
it's a ten out of ten, but if I'm being
honest about the track by track to myself, it's more
like a eight out of ten for me. Yeah, there's
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a couple tracks in there that I'm just kind of ambivalent.
Well that's so I settled on about a nine out
of ten on this one. Yeah, I'm in the nine
to nine and a half range. When I fought the
album right, it would be you know those songs we
discuss Twitter and Happy Face that just aren't really sure
you know, and yeah, they have their place, but they're
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not like I could skip them if I Yeah, I mean,
when I.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Look at an influential album based on today, with this
album being thirty years old, you have to rank it
up there with a lot of those other influential elbows.
This is such an important album to the grunge and
alternative and punk scene, more so than I think those
mainstream albums that we've talked about.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Sure, I mean you could maybe argue that maybe not
as much on an national level, but on a regional level,
Texas aread.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
When I when I look at it, and I'm not
looking at like global, no, I'm looking at when you
look at the Totys have this, it's like the Men'singers.
Yeah right, this was before the Mensingers, Yes, right, Yeah,
based on just the popularity of the Toties, I think
that's what you they they kind of helped bands.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Remember, I think at the time that like creating a
vibe on an album is important. Yeah, creating a theme,
creating a like a set of feelings that you're going for. Yeah,
almost like the themed album is important, and yeah, you
see bands like the Mensingers and other bands out there that.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Like they still do that to this day. Yeah. I
mean I put in my notes, I go, it's about
as close as a ten as I can get right now.
But it's not a ten, not a ten, but it's
really close close. Like it's even hard for me to
even gauge it as because it depends on what perspective
you look at that sure, right, And it's just it's
one of those where like, hey, if you want something
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that you hadn't heard of in a while, you may
remember it from some radio play, Hey, listen to Rubbernette,
but listen to it track by track, Yeah, yeah, right,
and then if you're interested in that, then pick up
some Burden Brothers. Listen to some of that too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Go to the follow up album, Yeah, not the one
that was rejected by Interscope, but the one that they
ended up taking from two thousand and one, which is
held below stars above.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah. Good album as well, really good album. And you know,
I think a lot of that is like when you're
looking at different bands and you're trying to discover different music.
I mean, there's a lot of bands now that the
todies are influencing today, so hopefully that, you know, helps people.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, go check it out. I mean, we can't recommend
it enough. It's a great album. Again, not quite a ten,
but dang close.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah. So what do we have coming up on the show?
I know, like we got some January' is getting busy,
so we're gonna probably have a little bit of a
couple of week gap in between episodes right now, just
based on some travel. Sure, but uh, you know, we
got some other albums coming up. We're talking. I think
Trippin Daisy is what we picked. Tripping Daisy. I'm an
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elastic firecrackers.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
So if you if you've heard of the band the
Polyphonic Spree, yep, this is the kind of like the
lead man for Polyphonic Spree, his original band was Tripping Daisy. Yeah,
and I have this album. When I was in high school,
I loved this album. Yeah, it's trip I have an
elastic firecracker, Tripping Daisy. That one's going to be coming up.
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We had a couple others on the list, I honestly can.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah, we've got them coming up. Yeah, but you
just have to deal with a little bit of a Hey,
life happens people. Yeah, but we're trying to figure out
a way to God and get more episodes out. We've
got some things coming this year that we're excited about,
you know. So we just asked you to keep stay
tuned absolutely all right, And with that, that's another episode
of Inventures in Vinyl. For more information on the band
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episode of Adventures in Vinyl
On this episode of Adventures in Vinyl, we again visit
the year nineteen ninety four and talk about this platinum
album by this Fort Worth, Texas band. That band is
the Tody's and the album is, of course, Rubberneck. It's
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another episode of Adventures in Vinyl. Yep, did you get
a We survived the first polar vortex winter storm of
twenty twenty five in the central Arch Claust area. How
much so did you get in Cala? We got eight
inches I think, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We got about ten in our house Amono, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you got further. It was weird further south I guess
was where? Yeah, I mean more Sherwood, like northwest Arkansas
didn't get near as much.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, he's usually opposite. Well, and sure we got like
a foot crazy. Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. You guys
built snowmen, snowball fights.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, kids went sledding fights, snow men, all the things
gutters drooping, had to fix on of course everything.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah. Yeah, that's all the snow off our solar panels
in our house. Yeah. You when do you go looking
around be like, oh crap, I need to get some
of that snow off the roof. The Good news is
you got a metal roof. We got a mess.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Got to get it started. Yeah, then it just starts
falling down and it starts sliding off, yeah, which makes
it easier.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, it was really cool. Like mam Mill
he had something really cool over about the Kroger's this
big open lot. So everyone from town like just we
we dug out went just riding around because of snow.
But the roads were clear, like by the time the
sun got shining on Friday, the roads were pretty much good.
But everyone it's like everyone in Mamet's out sledding on
this one hill and then this big open field there
(01:53):
was like twenty snowmen. It was just like everyone was
just playing in this big thing of snow and everyone's
having a good time. That's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
There's one spot here in town. It's uh near the
railroad tracks. There's this hill a bridge that goes over
the railroad tracks and then of course they slope up right. Yeah,
and so the the hill right there is perfect for sledding.
So we took our kids over there and they had
a blast. JD snowboarded on the hill for the first
time snowboarded before, so he just thought that was Oh,
he loved it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It was awesome. Yeah, it was great. Cool. He took
a dive. You have to take a dive. Well yeah,
but the good news is it was like good wet,
fluffy snow, so the dive is like, oh wow, shake
it up.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
All well, and he took the dive pretty quick, like
right after he'd gotten started.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We hadn't gathered all the speed yet. Yeah. And so
once you got to figure it out, like you know,
the whole side. Yeah, and you got to keep knees
slightly bent. Yeah, and you just kind of do a
half it's not even a squat. It's not even a
half squad. It's like barely a squats, barely. It's just
to lower that center of gravity just enough to engage
a quads.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, and like can I get your balance and and
then you just kind of act like a spring.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And he just went straight down. I mean, he's just
figuring out how to be on the thing. It's not
figured it out turns and all that stuff yet. So anyways,
it was great. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's good. Well, I guess ready to get into song
of the week. Yeah, let's do it all right, Hey,
as we're I think we're covering one of the great
albums that we like with the band, like the Todies.
A lot of history, Yeah, a lot of history behind there.
I figured this would be appropriate. While The Toties were
one of the hotter prospects of the major kind of
grunge label, the major grunge era right during the nineties,
(03:24):
there are link between albums, you know, and the internal
dissension kind of broke the band up after their Yeah
two thousand and one album. So at that time, former
Easy Strablan drummer Tas Bentley came to Lewis. Todd was
first names like Todd Lewis Todd Lewis about starting a
project in order to be independent avoid major labels, you know,
(03:46):
they agreed to kind of just get together and do
a grassroots duo. So this song is from that band.
Of course. I love beautiful. It's a great song. Yeah,
I know where you're going with this, Like this is
a perfect song of the week for Rubbert Diick. I
was like, hey, this is it, Like I can't. I
was gonna put this on Stuff to Bear and I
(04:06):
was like, no, this is too easy. Yeah, I know
you're gonna know it you're gonna recognize it from Todd
Lewis's voice from the beginning, like I go, Yeah, I've
always loved this song. Yeah, yeah, it's great. So this
is of course Beautiful Night by the Burden Brothers. It's
off the album called Buried in Your Black Heart. Beautiful
Night is the third track of the album. The album.
The track was a commercial excess. It charged at number
twenty four on the Billboard Mainstream Rock Charts. Great catchy tune.
(04:29):
It's been used all over the place. I'm sure it's
made these guys. It's a good thing they did at
Independent because it probably made him a lot of freaking money.
Oh yeah, because I see this all. I hear this
all over the person. Oh yeah. They still played on
the radio.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah. I mean it's kind of one of those timeless songs.
Just a great rock song. It sounds fantastic. I mean,
this is Todd Lewis like right in his range. Yeah
it's great.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, it's good. Scuff, it's good. But yeah, that was
a song of the week. I thought it was a
purpert Yeah, definitely, what about you, man, what's your song
of week week?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So I've been on a cure kick, pure of late
going through especially like the mid late eighties early nineties
catalog and it was funny. I ran across a cover
by a band that I can't stand AFI. Not a
fan of AFI, never been. I don't like that, but
they do a fantastic cover of Just Like Heaven.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And there's actually an episode of the show MTV Icons
where Robert Smith was in attendance and AFI played this
song for Robert Smith and the band and it was
a very solid cover. But this is Just Like Heaven
by the Cure off to kiss Me, kiss Me, kiss
Me album from nineteen eighty seven. Robert Smith still considers
(05:41):
this to be the best song that he ever wrote.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I don't disagree yeah with that opinion at all.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I mean, I would argue Friday I'm in Love, but
I mean I absolutely love this song as well.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
There's something where when you can take a song like
just Like Heaven and you can do your own interpretation, right, yeah,
and you make it sound just as good, if sometimes better,
right than the original. That just shows the talent of
the artist who wrote the song. Yeah, right. And that's
(06:15):
when you like Prince some of his songs, when you
cover them, they're absolutely beautiful and Prince hated when people
cover this stuff, but that just shows I think when
you have an artist that's so talented. Yeah, I think
that's what's cool.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I mean you just look at their catalog, look at
how many hits he wrote. Yeah, I mean kind of
helped create an entire genre of music and alternative.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean, really, he is one of the creators of
the entire alternative genre.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Band's like RAM and such. Right, So if Neil Young's
the godfather of guns, the godfather of alternatives, I would
think so.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, he kind of took what started out as like
kind of a punkish sound and morphed into an alternative
sound in the mid late eighties, kind of helped start
that along with you know, if there's other bands out
there as well that you know, guys like Bob Mold
and you know, bands like Big Star and things like that,
you know, like that kind of helped also create it.
But I think Robert Smith was kind of like probably
(07:12):
the highest profile of all of them. But yeah, I
mean it's just an absolute classic. The magic of the
song for me is in the guitar and a play,
the great vocal melody, great vocal harmonies, and it's just
one of the most like perfectly crafted songs that I
can think of coming out of the eighties in all honesty.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, but cure cools like Evan, Yeah, it's a good song.
All right. Well, you know time, it's that time. It's
that time. If you've been listened to the episode every
once in a while, you know it's our time for
one of our favorite segments. But it's another episode of
the Ventures in Vinyl And you know what that means.
(07:50):
It's another episode of Stump the baron on. Stump the Baron.
I pick a random song from a random genre, give
Adam a few clues with all his moderately well versed
musical knowledge, attempts to guess the artist, album and song title.
We used to keep score, but uh we stopped doing it.
Really have no idea what the score is and we're
just tithing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Funny. I like that you mixed up your assessment of
my music knowledge document today.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well you can think chat GPT, chat GPT. Okay. I
was like, give me another way to say, give me
a synonymous phrase above average musical knowledge, and it was
like boop. I was like perfect digs jow cheept, thank
you AI.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
All right, so pretty soon we're gonna be ruled by
our AI overlords.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, probably. But the thing is, we would put all
the wrong stuff in there, so all they would do
is search TikTok all day long and send us pick
news feeds. That's how we.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Would train our and make AI tworking women. That's it,
all right, that's it, let's do this all right.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay. So so it was prep up for the episode.
I picked one of the albums that influenced Rubber Deck.
Ok this was hard to find, so I won a
lot of credit for when I stumpy on this one. Okay,
So the track I picked is off It's the third
track off a nineteen ninety two EP. I'll go ahead
and start playing it. I think this one's gonna stomp you.
But there's a lot of history behind it, and I
(09:07):
thought would be good for the episode.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Okay, you're not going to get it.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
But how I found this It's got a really good story. Okay.
But this band is out of Washington, DC and they
specialize in a rough but melodic brand of punk rock
based hard rock for a brief part of the nineties.
(09:41):
M it's from the Stall brothers Stall, and if you're
a bit of a fighter, you'll recognize the last name Stall.
In early years, I.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Think of an actor named Nick Stall who was in
movies like Sin City and No some other kind of
creepy No.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
This is actually a band that had friends Stall, Franz Stall,
who did a tenure with the Food Fighters. Oh see, Yeah,
when you said that name, I knew. But I'm uh,
it's not Scream is it. No? But there's ties to
Scream yes, crap, I give up. Yeah, So all right,
(10:24):
here's what's cool in the stuff me. Yeah, so I
was watching that rubber Neck documentary that's like Clarkogler. Yeah. Yeah,
the this is clear my Head from the band Wool
off the album Budall This is Wool Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah, so I remember reading about it. I listened
to a couple of tracks, but not this one.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah. So the Stall brothers they were in Scream, right,
and a lot of those guys at Scream were part
of Foo Fighters. Dave Roll knew them all that stuff, right,
So that's coming in that whole. Hey, when grunge punk
birds and became this sound, they were forced to terminate
the band after Bassis Skeeter Thompson left the band and
after drummer Dave Goal when Scream broke up, joined Nirvana
(11:12):
Girls a DC boy, right, so you know he he
was all these members of Scream and so when Scream
broke up, they formed Wool and so this album heavily
influenced Todd Lewis's interesting. He wanted he wanted the album,
that's why.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's why he picked That's why he picked Tom Roth
Rock and Rop.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That guy, Rob Schnapp, So that's why they you know,
kind of did that and went to So that's right.
I remember seeing that in the documentary. Now, that's yes,
because we we both did make a point of watching
and making That's why I was like, I don't know,
I don't know if you'll pick it up or not.
I didn't listen to that song. Maybe if I'd listened
to the song, I have caught it and let me
tell you, Yeah, it was. It was just really cool.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So okay, all right man, So rubber Neck speaking of
rubbern Neck.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Speaking of rubber Neck, it's time. Yeah, I'm excited about
this one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
We both obviously have seen the Toadies many times. Yeah,
so those bands that we've caught live on multiple occasions
over the years.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, twenty years. Well, I was just trying to count
it up, and I'm kind of beyond my fingers and
toes for how many times I've seen the Todies live? Now,
When did you see them? When was the first time
you saw the Todies? Is U? I saw them open
up for someone in the nineties when Rubberneck came out.
That was the first time. The second time I saw
with you and Donnie, third time or fourth time, I
think I saw it with you at Donnie Okay. And
(12:42):
then as they started migrating into Dallas Fort Worth, I'd
pick them up, and then when they form again, we
go see them and then I'd be like Memphis and may,
oh there's the Toadies. And then during that thirtieth during
that anniversary of this album, I think I saw them
like three or four times, just because they were touring
a lot. And then I go to a festival they
were there and I was like, oh, oh, Toty said,
I'm gonna watch the Toty S. And then anytime they
(13:02):
come through, I just always go to a show, so
I know I'm close to like twenty times.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I never saw them on the Rubber Neck Tour. I
never saw them on any of those, but I did
catch them in Dallas on the Hell Below, Stars Above tour.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And that was good. Yeah. I mean I've seen them
by myself more times that i've seen them with you
or with that with Donnie. But it's like, Hey, I'm
just gonna go to Toty's Concup because it was like, Hey,
the Toty's, well, they come through our area pretty often. Yeah, yeah, Tulsa,
Fatteville or yeah. And I feel like because I appreciate
this album so much anyway, So Robert Eck, debut album
(13:39):
for the band Toty's Robert Deck, was released on August
twenty third, nineteen ninety four. The album consists of eleven
tracks and clocks in for a total length of thirty
six minutes and twenty one seconds. The heavity opener were
listed to is called Mexican Hairless, which clocks in and
women in forty eight seconds falls. He moved by the
band opening up their debut album with an instrumental well,
and it's a nod to the Reverend Hortneen himself.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, because I kind of think of
them that I think the term that was coined for
the Reverend Horton and heat with Cycle Billy. Yeah, so
it's funny. Mexican Hairless leads perfectly into mister Love. But
I almost feel like they're one song, right, split into
two pieces, yep, just because they have that same vibe
and speaking a vibe. This album is a vibe. It
(14:21):
is a vibe. There's a definite theme to it. If
you listen to the lyrics, you'll see undertones talking about
I mean, honestly, when I when I listen to this album,
I think of being out in rural central Texas on
some rural highway where I'm about to get a flat
tire and get assistance from a roadside mechanic who's gonna
chloriform me and sacrifice me to his human cult, his
(14:41):
human sacrifice cult. Yeah, that kind of happens, Gonna ppeel
my face off and get where it's possum king.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
When you kind of go past weather for Texas, that's
where everything starts to get a little bit weird. Yeah,
it's it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's it has It kind of brings out the weird
parts of Texas.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like and hey, those of us live in Arkansas, right,
we can relate. There's plenty of weird areas. Yeah, in Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Just go out to Atkins and go north from there
and I know you'll you'll find some weird spots. Man.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Hey. But clocking in at two minutes and fifty one
seconds is mister Loves Love, which is number one single,
number one second track off the album. It's about a
guy in the DFW music scene who changed his last name.
So that's this dude and he just changed his last
name and they just started calling mister Love. Interesting. Was
(15:30):
it mc lovin? Yeah, No, I don't think it was.
It wasn't mcloven. It was just it was this guy.
It was just the love. That's where's kind of the
That's what's interesting. But it's that I love this aggressive
tone and how it comes in because when you when
you listen to the album, it works, you're like Mexican
hairless comes on and you're like, all right, I don't
know if I'm angry, I don't know if I'm excited,
(15:52):
but I'm ready to have some fun.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So like I said before, Reverend Hortoney heat, I mean
this it's like a cycle. Billy again was the term
that was Horned coined for us for you to say
Adam for the Reverend Horton Heat. I feel like these
guys are like an alternative trippy version of the Red
vand Horton Heat. Yeah, in a lot of ways, just
based upon the chords they use. The vibes that they
(16:14):
create in their song still have that fast paced, like
almost rockabillish kind of sound, but again like they kind
of go.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
More creepy yeah with things, and but you know, I
love it. It's cool, it works, It totally works for
this album, completely works. And here's the thing, like I've
been like in the DFW music scene, like these guys
are prominent, right yeah, Like when the Toady's tour, they
carry bands in the scene with them. We saw Flickuorstick
(16:42):
because of the Toadies, yes, right yeah, Like that's just
the way it works. They find a band that they like,
they bring them on and they try to get them
the exposure. It's just a pure, pure, pure, I think,
a great thing that the Toties do absolutely all right. Man.
So we're on number track number three right now. Number
three is Badder. So it's the last single off the album.
Clocks in at two minutes and thirty seconds, nice little
(17:07):
change up.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think of the groove from Mister Love to Backslider. Yeah,
this is a it's a great mixture. The riff, especially
of blues and alternative. Yeah, really points to the band's
Texas roots. It's not my favorite song on the album,
but again, it fits the vibe so much of the
What my assessment of this album is is does the
song fit.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
The vibe of the album?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, it does, because I think that's kind of what
they were going for, is they were trying to create
a vibe whenever they recorded this album. Keep in mind
that this album was released like a year after the
Branch Davidians standoff in Waco, Texas with the FBI and
the ATF and correct. It was crazy. I remember that.
I think I was fifteen at the time, and uh,
(17:49):
you know that was all over the place. Yeah, and
I mean so these guys were just down the road
from there. Yeah, I mean like, and and that was
like a big that was a huge deal, big deal. O.
Did you did you ever see the series? Yeah? Ye
was his name Taylor.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah that's really good.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
That was really good, excellent, But but man, like so
they were very influenced by that. I mean I think uh,
Todd Lewis was a backsliding Christian hence the song Backslider.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But but they're very like.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Religious themes, cults, things like that all influencing this album
and you feel it in the album. Yeah, and so
again the vibe is it points to all of that
and it's just a.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It makes for a unique album. Well, it's not bad
from a guy who you know, worked at a record
store who didn't think it was going to last warehouse, right, Yeah,
he was like, yeah, there's no way this, this is
gonna make it like, this is totally gonna crap out.
There's no way, there's no way, there's no way. Yeah.
So so by the way of history real quick.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
These guys, as we mentioned several times now, they're from
Fort With, Texas. They formed in nineteen eighty nine. They
all work together at sound Warehouse Prior to starting the band.
They played their first show at the Axis Club in
Fort Worth in April nineteen eighty nine. Early tours had
them classified as a hair metal band, so they ended
up playing tours with like Dokin and Great White.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well, of course they were developed an audience. Well, no
one knew what grunge was.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, Well, and they'd only sold a couple thousand albums.
Whenever they finally did the music video for Possum Kingdom,
which is that along with a tour with Bush, Yeah,
they exploded. And then speaking of Possum Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, the four track off the album, The clocks aud
of five minutes and ninety seconds nine seconds, not ninety
is the second single called Possum Kingdom. Yeah, so this
one was big.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It was number nine on the Billboard Mainstream Rock charts,
number four on the Modern Rock Charts, and number forty
on the Radio Songs.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, it's super popular. Do you get tired of it?
You know?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I did get tired of it at one point, and
then I didn't hear it for a long time, and
then I started hearing it again and it reminded me,
first of all, what the radio kind of did the
songs back.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
In the nineties. Yeah, but it made me look at
this from a new perspective and go, you know, this
is bett an excellent song.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's pretty good. Yeah, it's a very simple riff. It's
basically an E.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Chord with with the one dropped out on the B string.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, just from E to A. That's the main riff.
It's a great, simple little riff, but again, the vibe
it totally hits the vibe check well.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And when you're listening track to track, like it's so good,
it's really good. And Amy listened to the vinyl like
I got it on vinyl finally, and I'm like, I
just listened to it and it's a great song.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And it's not even my favorite song on the album, no,
but it's a great song.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
To me.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Again, so much as it hinges on, does the song
meet the vibe check vibe check on the album and
this one absolutely does. And it's one of those again
that like kind of helped reserve the band to place
in alternative history in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, I think, And the song was huge. I mean
when I see, like any time I've seen the toa show,
like I see a mixture of like at the when
they played the Hall the twenty seventh of December. I
went there and I go and looking at the merch,
you know, and I was like, I'm not gonna buy
any vinyl, but you know, I'll get some sticker or
some coozies or you know something. And you know, when
(21:19):
I was sitting there looking like there was a dude
probably my age, maybe a little bit older, you know,
mid late forties, and he had his son who's probably
nineteen twenty. And I see these dads, well, you need
a Toty's T shirt. This's your first Tody show here.
Well you might as well get a sweatshirt too, since
they got all the thing and if here get that
(21:39):
and he's like, he goes, yeah, man, that's your first
Toties concert. He goes, oh, I just love this rubbert
Any of the kids just talking about the album in
the album. And then when we went to a soft Flickerstick,
I was waiting the merch line. There's this girl like
maybe sixteen years old wearing a rubberneck T shirt. And
I turn around. I was like, you're a little bit
too young to even remotely know about that album, right,
(22:00):
And she's like, you don't understand. My dad's been playing
this album since. I was like, I go, no, that
explains it. I was like, there you go. I was
like I get it. I and I go do you
know the first time I saw Flickorstick? And I told
the whole Flickerstick story there and I was like it
was actually, you know, they were opening up for the Todies,
the Canes Ball and I just went through that and
(22:20):
I was like, yeah, we met and they're like, oh yeah,
that's so cool, and and it was just it was
just cool to see. I like it when younger generation
are seeing some of these bands.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
When they find actually good music. Yeah, right, especially because
like it helps us relate.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
To them when you introduce them to an album, like
they're like youth at least, not my son's generall. I
think maybe my son's generation, yeah generation, and maybe the
one like shortly after they know that there's no good
music and like my son's pulling like all these you know,
(22:57):
metal bands out of the eighties and all these others,
and he he's looking through my record collection. They're having
to go back to find it. Yeah yeah, so basically
I probably are. If you ever seen that.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
YouTube show where they play songs from like different decades
to like the sixteen seventeen year olds, now, yeah, I
mean some of those Like I remember I watched one
where they were playing uh it was new metal from
the early two thousands and late nineties to these sixteen
year old kids. They were loving it, loving it. It's
(23:28):
freaking new metal. Even we kind of look at it
and go. But that shows you how little there is,
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
That's almost what we need to do is find some
like find some college kids like eighteen nineteen years old
and have them listened to have them do a guest
We do a we do a have you heard this one? Yeah,
maybe that's a cool segment where we start finding some
young people. We pick a we pick five five songs
are just one song, and we focus on that one
(23:55):
song and it's like, no, this is the first time
you hear this. We give the whole history in their life.
Oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah, they said, oh my god,
this is super weird.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
There's a lot of those kinds of shows on YouTube
these days, and they're really entertaining because again, it gives
you perspective into like how little there is to like
these days and how much there is to like. Yeah,
and it's such an old dude thing to say, okay, boomer,
but it's just true.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, it is what it is. Now I'm gonna quit
saying okay boomer and be like okay x here yeah, right,
okay exs here. Yeah, seriously, all right. The song on
the album three minutes and thirty three seconds is quitter.
So it's an interesting progression and he just yells quitter. Yeah.
I enjoy the pace in the dissonant chorus. Oh ad men.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's not my favorite song on the album. No, I
mean again, it passes the vibe check.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, well it's interesting. That's the same linked as the
final track on the album. Yeah, it has its place.
I recognize it instantly. I don't tend to skip it,
but I'm like, oh, this is quitter. Yeah, but what
I listened to is the chord progression, kind of the
raging stuff. The lyrics are a little bit different, but
it like comes in heavy and it simmers down. But
it the album. It's unique and it goes with the
(25:01):
vibe the vibe check. So it's like, I'm not skipping it. Yes,
I may. It may not be my favorite, but it's
like it fits, and I'm like, this is a continuation
of pop. I don't like get it as a continuation
the Possum Kingdom. Yeah, and not as a separate trap. Sure,
I get that. That's that's humique. That's all I gotta
say about quis Oh yeah, yeah, right, let's move on,
all right, all right, all right, Well, the third single
(25:25):
six track off the album, It's cocks in At four
minutes and thirty four seconds.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It is the track away number twenty three on the
Billboard Mainstream Rock chart's number twenty eight on the Modern
Rock charts.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Again passes the vibe check.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Love the lead guitar line in the verse, as well
as kind of like the marching beat of the pre chorus,
you know when they're all hitting or on the floor,
and while the chorus is really short, I mean it's impactful.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, it really solid.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Song, especially like with the the haunting doubled when I'm
away vocals, kind of like prior to and after the
guitar solo section. So absolutely, yeah, it is great and
it's a great song. It wasn't as big from radio
perspective as some of the other ones, but I mean
it absolutely found an audience and it made more people
go up and I rub her neck.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, So, I mean, really solid song.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Man, not my favorite one on the album, but it's
a great song.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Eventheless all right, I like a way too. Yeah all right.
The seven track off the album is another popular track.
This is the one where you see everyone. This is
the deep one of the deep cuts. Yeah, and this
is the Cole's favorite song. Yeah, favorite Tody song. She
was like, we were at the show. She didn't want
to stay for the full thing. Oh, they always play
it lot, they always play it live always, and she goes,
(26:39):
look after it come from the water Spine. I was like, well,
we're gonna miss I burned. But I tell you what,
I don't see the I didn't see the one of
those big kettle drums they usually bring them out at
the end. No, they didn't have them on the set.
You could see them and they weren't doing it. I
was like, and you could tell the band was kind
of pushing. And I was like, look, I've seen these
songs twenty times performed live. Like if you're ready to bolt,
wing a bolt. So we you know, we kind of
bolted a little bit early since we're getting older. But
(27:01):
as long as she saw the song, she was good.
Did you have to stand for the show? I know
we did the mess, okay, miss Seats.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I was gonna say, like, if you had to stand,
i'd understand why you left.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, I mean the problem is they're not comfortable scenes.
No they're not, I remember you. No, they're just a stool. Yeah,
and so you're you know you're parking, you're parking, you know,
your butt on a stool and not a lot better.
And when you look at it on a concrete page. Yeah,
and when you're when you're in the mes, you know,
you got to get there early to get a seat, yeah,
to get a good view. It's a great place to
(27:32):
see a show. But like what I found was perfect
is it's better if you just don't have an opener. Yeah,
like start the show.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
At eight and absolutely, especially with the audience of the hall.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
It's not like a twenties well they don't let you
play past eleven anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, I say, well, and it's not a twenties audience
kind of venue. It's more like late thirties, forties, fifties even. Yeah,
like that's the age range that you have at the hall.
So anyways, man, I mean just again, great song. Yeah,
it's another great song meets with the vibe of the
album like fantastic, Yeah, he passes the vibe check deep cut.
It's one of those tracks like if you know this album,
(28:10):
you know I come from the Water. Yeah, all right, man,
onto one of the standouts in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, I think track number eight, which clocks in in
four minutes and thirteen seconds. It's the fourth single off
the album called Tyler. It's such a good song, but
the story behind it is super eerie.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, man, okay, so this is the song that got
me into the Toadies.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I heard Possum Kingdom and thought that's good, but I'm
not gonna go buy the album.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Then I heard Tyler was like, yep, going to get it,
and this is easily like the background behind this. Vade
and Todd Lewis had Grandparents album Way East Texas or
something like that. Right, it's small town. So as they'd
sit around and discuss what kind of what was going on,
rumors around like peeping toms and the farmhouses were going around, like, well,
this guy keeps looking in my window at night. You know,
(28:55):
just that type of weird stuff that you know, if
you've lived out in the middle of the country, you know,
sometimes weird stuff happens product of a lot of good
in breeding. Yeah. Yeah, So he kind of kind of
took all that and conceptualized the song. Right, And the
every Toty show I've been to, the entire audience is
(29:22):
singing and chanting and rocking along with this song, and
I'm always like, do they understand what the song the
songs out? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I'm guilty of doing
that too, right, I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm like
that whole line and beer and then I go in
(29:44):
the fridge and get myself a beer, right, And I'm like, God,
that's super dark and creepy.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
It is really weird because now you've invaded the home
about like being peak peeping Tom, but then taking it
to the next step and invading the home.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Correct and knowing that person's in the room the balance
injuries and I'm like being able to do that lyrically
and tell that story. But people are rocking along with
how the track is composed, and the lyrics are dark,
but because they go along with the song, it pulls
(30:19):
the crowd in and I and it's apparent a song
that always evokes emotion correct, And it's apparent in all
the songs in the album. I see that when I
watched the Toadies play live with the audience. There's a
lot of personal experience, a lot of album personal people
that identify with each one of the songs. And I
(30:40):
have only seen that a couple of times in live shows, right,
And it's like I saw it with Dashboard Confessional where
they played popular songs and it was all popular songs.
But anytime I've seen the Toadies play Rubberneck, and when
I saw them play the thirtieth anniversary Rubberneck show, the
whole crowd was like, in every single moment, that's very nuts.
(31:05):
It's just respect to Baden Todd Lewis's ability to write.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
This is one of the three quintessential songs for me
on the album I Mean Again. It's the song that
made me go out and buy the album. Yeah, just
because it grabbed me.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Man. I had a buddy name Steve.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Nation who played this song for me and it was
just like, man, it just pulled me in and then
the rest is history. So good stuff, man, Love Tyler. Yeah,
all right, I agree.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
So now I track off the album, This aggressive one
is two minutes and fifty eight seconds, and you know what,
it's pretty much a big middle finger to every fake
happy person out there.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And that track is called happy Face. Yeah, it definitely
again passes the vibe check. I'll admit I don't really
like this song all that much. I don't I don't
vibe with it. Myself. It doesn't grab me, but it
has its place. Just like almost every song on this album,
it has its place.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, I would say it's not it's not my favorite.
Like the lyrics, I just don't. I think the lyrics
are a little bit repetitive. I'm with it, but I
like the vibe of how the song's composed, except for this,
Like I like the hook, but how they transition in
the hook, it's just a little bit disoriented, sure, but
(32:26):
it's not bad. It meets with the album. I don't
skip it, but I would say it's I would agree
with your sense. Maybe a little bit of filler in
a way, a little bit of filler, but it has
its place, and it's under three minutes, so it just
kind of works. It does not stay. It's welcome. H Yeah,
it does not stay. It's fair, all right, moving on,
Moving on, all right. To the track as we wrap
up the album, This Dark One is about a breakup
(32:48):
which clocks in at three minutes and thirty three seconds,
not three minutes of thirty three seconds. That's my progressive
three lenses. I got progressive lenses, and as I reading
my notes, I shifted my eyes and I was reading
the blurry part, so forgive me. At two minutes and
thirty seconds, this is called Velvet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So I love the open to this one with Todd
Lewis screaming his way into the track.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If you're concerned with getting radio play or with hurting
the feelings of wop pansies, then you could argue this
track does not age.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Well, no, but the lyrics and you realize it does not.
But if you really don't like a person, I think
you get one of those audio cards and you put
this track in it and as soon as they open
it up, because it's about emotion and this is the
lyric you want it playing when you open that card
is like, that's the I would record that, put it
(33:41):
on a card. Yeah, And if I was breaking up
with it, that that's like the card I would say
every Valentine's Day, every Birthday, every Christmas. It would be
an open up and then it would be that snippet
of the song.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So when you consider the next track, I think this
song is actually perfectly placed as far as like the
vibe of the album Oh yeah, yeah, because it kind
of leads nicely from a vibe perspective into the final track.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
To me.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
One of the best songs I see live period is
I Burn.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah. I Burn is the let a track off the album.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
If you haven't done it yet, folks, this is where
you turn the volume into maximum on whatever device you
are playing this song on.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
If you go to see the Toadies and you've not
seen the Toadies before, you always stick around for the
encore because this is the last song they're going to play,
and it's freaking fantastic.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
And having been a part of this, every time I
listen to this song, I get choose. It doesn't change.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
It never gets old. I listen to it almost like
five six times a week, easily.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Like it constantly rotates around. I jam to it all
the time. It is like it's one.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Of the complex It's like three chords the entire time.
I mean, while Tyler got me into the album, it
was I Burned.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
It guaranteed my attention. Well, and if you really like Rubberneck,
you have to listen to the album Heretics, which is
all different cuts in a folk or acoustic manner for
all of these songs. Interesting, okay, And that's interesting as
well to see just to see how those songs could
(35:29):
be adapted. We were talking about covers earlier in the show,
same type of prose, but just think it as the
todies covering their own songs, but in a different jawn
Mashon sure, in a different genre. Yeah. So if you
go see the Toadies live and they always play I
Burn in the encore, they always drink Miller light.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
They bring out the text with like these big kettle
drums and a symbol, and when you get to the bridge,
they just go freaking nuts and it is so great.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It builds to like a massive peak and a great
ending of the song.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean, to me, again, there's other songs that got
me into the album, but if you listen to one
song off this album, to me personally, it's Ivern.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
And then you know, at this point in the song
where Todd Lewis starts to scream and here goes, it
builds into this and it just such an awesome song.
So live.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mentioned these drums but like multiplied by five, I mean,
it's huge and it just like Todd said, it gives
you chills man, the whole song. But you know this
is a the perfect ending to this album.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, I agree, I completely agree.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I think I think Todd Lewis said like this, he
kind of imagined this as.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
The the follow.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Up to Possum Kingdom from a story perspective, And I
get it.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I get it well. And I just think, look at
imagine producing the work of art like Reuberneck, right and
realizing that that's probably your best stuff you ever put up. Yeah.
And when I see them play, I know, because I
(37:22):
know they have to be thinking, yeah, now they have
good stuff after that. Don't get me wrong. Like I've
seen them play like Dull Skin Live.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
It was really good and stuff like a heel, right,
but you know that when they play their set when
when they play their set list is going to be
like half at least half tracks from from rubber Neck.
I mean it's just going to be they know, they know,
they know what people want to hear.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, they know what people want to hear that. I mean,
this is the album is a classic. Man. Yeah, I
would agree, I would agree. So final thoughts. All Right,
So I read through a lot of the mainstream reviews
and I disagreed with how they rated it. When the
album came out, you remember what, Oh, it was a
(38:09):
lot of like three stars, three and a half for
a little bit like just not yeah, I mean, but
what I found was, like the Village Voice, I read
a stipet from the Village Voice and they noted that
the band shrewd mixture of black metal, Thematics, punk aggression
and grunge melancholia, melancholia, melan I don't that big word
grun stuff. It contains a seed of genuine revelation that
(38:33):
rewards anyone who isn't scared off by the width of
brimstone and scandal that clings to their work. Okay, I
thought that was agree with that they use. Yeah, but
you know, but that what I find when I look
at kind of the Texas rock. I would never thought
that Texas had a different punk subgenre, but they do, right.
(38:56):
And I think when you look at an influential with
a band like the Toadies who came up in the
nineties and they're so influential in that scene, a lot
of the bands in that Texas area, I credit a
lot of that to the Todies with all the opening lyric,
you know, with all the opening acts and everything that
they brought in. I think it's Lewis's lyrics and vocal
range makes the album a differentiator. It's hard for me
(39:19):
to find a lot of flaws because every track goes together. Yeah,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I heard the band described as the Pixies meets Metallica.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, I mean in a way it kind of fits. Yeah,
I mean it. I was like, this album really really
works for me, and it's really hard for me to
assess what I think is the right rating, okay, because
it's really really high, Yeah, really high, and it's probably
the highest ranking I've got for an album, and I'm
(39:49):
struggling with like that last little bit.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
So I mean again, this one, it has an entire
vibe to it. Every song on the album fits within
the theme of the album itself and the vibe that
you get from that theme. I mean, on the vibe side,
it's a ten out of ten, but if I'm being
honest about the track by track to myself, it's more
like a eight out of ten for me. Yeah, there's
(40:13):
a couple tracks in there that I'm just kind of ambivalent.
Well that's so I settled on about a nine out
of ten on this one. Yeah, I'm in the nine
to nine and a half range. When I fought the
album right, it would be you know those songs we
discuss Twitter and Happy Face that just aren't really sure
you know, and yeah, they have their place, but they're
(40:34):
not like I could skip them if I Yeah, I mean,
when I.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Look at an influential album based on today, with this
album being thirty years old, you have to rank it
up there with a lot of those other influential elbows.
This is such an important album to the grunge and
alternative and punk scene, more so than I think those
mainstream albums that we've talked about.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Sure, I mean you could maybe argue that maybe not
as much on an national level, but on a regional level,
Texas aread.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
When I when I look at it, and I'm not
looking at like global, no, I'm looking at when you
look at the Totys have this, it's like the Men'singers.
Yeah right, this was before the Mensingers, Yes, right, Yeah,
based on just the popularity of the Toties, I think
that's what you they they kind of helped bands.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Remember, I think at the time that like creating a
vibe on an album is important. Yeah, creating a theme,
creating a like a set of feelings that you're going for. Yeah,
almost like the themed album is important, and yeah, you
see bands like the Mensingers and other bands out there that.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Like they still do that to this day. Yeah. I
mean I put in my notes, I go, it's about
as close as a ten as I can get right now.
But it's not a ten, not a ten, but it's
really close close. Like it's even hard for me to
even gauge it as because it depends on what perspective
you look at that sure, right, And it's just it's
one of those where like, hey, if you want something
(42:01):
that you hadn't heard of in a while, you may
remember it from some radio play, Hey, listen to Rubbernette,
but listen to it track by track, Yeah, yeah, right,
and then if you're interested in that, then pick up
some Burden Brothers. Listen to some of that too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Go to the follow up album, Yeah, not the one
that was rejected by Interscope, but the one that they
ended up taking from two thousand and one, which is
held below stars above.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah. Good album as well, really good album. And you know,
I think a lot of that is like when you're
looking at different bands and you're trying to discover different music.
I mean, there's a lot of bands now that the
todies are influencing today, so hopefully that, you know, helps people.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, go check it out. I mean, we can't recommend
it enough. It's a great album. Again, not quite a ten,
but dang close.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah. So what do we have coming up on the show?
I know, like we got some January' is getting busy,
so we're gonna probably have a little bit of a
couple of week gap in between episodes right now, just
based on some travel. Sure, but uh, you know, we
got some other albums coming up. We're talking. I think
Trippin Daisy is what we picked. Tripping Daisy. I'm an
(43:06):
elastic firecrackers.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
So if you if you've heard of the band the
Polyphonic Spree, yep, this is the kind of like the
lead man for Polyphonic Spree, his original band was Tripping Daisy. Yeah,
and I have this album. When I was in high school,
I loved this album. Yeah, it's trip I have an
elastic firecracker, Tripping Daisy. That one's going to be coming up.
(43:28):
We had a couple others on the list, I honestly can.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah, we've got them coming up. Yeah, but you
just have to deal with a little bit of a Hey,
life happens people. Yeah, but we're trying to figure out
a way to God and get more episodes out. We've
got some things coming this year that we're excited about,
you know. So we just asked you to keep stay
tuned absolutely all right, And with that, that's another episode
of Inventures in Vinyl. For more information on the band
The Toties, you could check out their website at www
(43:52):
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