September 11, 2025 • 42 mins
(00:00:00) Charlie Kirk Assassination / Top 3 Things
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You're listening to American Ground Radio with Louis R. Avallone and Stephen Parr. In today's episode we talk about Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA, who was killed in a shocking act of violence during an event at Utah Valley University. We reflect on his legacy of open debate, free speech, and conservatism. Plus, we cover the Top 3 Things you need to know.
We dig into Illinois Governor JB Pritzker's claim that Donald Trump's rhetoric is to blame for the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And we talk about the importance of defending free speech and rejecting political violence as we honor Kirk's commitment to civil debate—even with those who disagreed with him.
We give you a detailed update on a suspect that was arrested in connection with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And we reflect on the dangerous escalation of emotion-driven politics and the importance of dialogue and rational thought.
We encourage everyone to take a moment with their families and cherish each day. And maybe pick up some Magnolia Pit Barbecue.
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(00:22:29) An Attack on the First Amendment
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You're listening to American Ground Radio with Louis R. Avallone and Stephen Parr. In today's episode we talk about Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA, who was killed in a shocking act of violence during an event at Utah Valley University. We reflect on his legacy of open debate, free speech, and conservatism. Plus, we cover the Top 3 Things you need to know.
- New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell pled not guilty in court to charges of wire fraud, obstruction of justice, and lying to a grand jury.
- The former director of New Orleans’ Office of Workforce Development Sunae Villavaso has filed a lawsuit against the city claiming she was wrongly fired.
- The Caddo Correctional Center is overcrowded once again, housing 1,542 inmates.
We dig into Illinois Governor JB Pritzker's claim that Donald Trump's rhetoric is to blame for the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And we talk about the importance of defending free speech and rejecting political violence as we honor Kirk's commitment to civil debate—even with those who disagreed with him.
We give you a detailed update on a suspect that was arrested in connection with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And we reflect on the dangerous escalation of emotion-driven politics and the importance of dialogue and rational thought.
We encourage everyone to take a moment with their families and cherish each day. And maybe pick up some Magnolia Pit Barbecue.
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Now, if you all have not heard the news, Charlie Kirk,
a founder of Turning Point USA, A man who made
his entire career on the notion of going into our
colleges and our universities and having an open, honest, straightforward debate,
not to harm or be little, not to name cal
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but to enlighten, to change hearts and minds.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
To share ideas.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Charlie Kirk was taken from us today by a cowardly
act of an assassin who is still at large. And
while you had talking heads saying that well, this could
have been celebratory gunfire from the crowd of the university
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crowd there in Utah, which was ridiculous. He was fighting
for his life after being shot from this assassin's cowardly act.
The bullet tore completely through his jugular and he bled.
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He bled out right there on the ground. He was
rushed to the hospital and unfortunately succumbed to his injuries.
He's thirty one years old, a husband, a father of
two beautiful babies. And he was martyred for the cause
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I believe of American conservatism, for the cause of building
a peaceful discourse, of trying to hard, trying very hard
to meet in the middle with ideological opponents on the
battlefield of ideas. And today that battlefield of ideas became
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stained with the blood of a good man. And and
and if if you would like to join us in
saying the Lord's prayer for our nation, for Charlie Kirk,
for his family, please do our Father heart in heaven,
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hallow'd be thy name, that Kingdom come. Thy will be
done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us
this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us
not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. And
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today today was indeed evil, absolute evil. We are we are.
We are living in in America that is unrecognizable to
those who fought and bled for her freedoms. We're living
in in America where words themselves are treated as violence,
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where debate is treated as dangerous, where disagreement is treated
as a crime. And now, God help us, we are
living in America where a young man who built his
life and career about debating openly, respectfully, passionately was cut
down by an assassin's bullet thirty one years old, Yeah,
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thirty one years old. And while he lay there fighting
for his life, you had the media, Oh, the dishonest,
the disgusting media, national media, those smug talking heads speculating
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about celebratory gunfire, that there's somebody on it was a
c And MSNBC came on and says, look, we don't
even know where the shot came from. Okay, fair enough,
it could have been some of his own fans with
a celebratory gunfire. Uh No, imagine thinking that conservatives patrol
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insane would celebrate the really oh, Hey, Charlie Cooks, Sure,
let's let's shoot our guns off on the air.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
This you don't know what conservatives believe at all, and
you don't want to. But see, you've created a caricature
of conservatives and you've turned them into some sort of
cross between hillbillies and monsters. And it's that lack of
curiosity about your fellow American that led to today's shooting.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
You know, as we're trying to make sense of it all,
you know, there are a lot of folks right now
are like, well, what do we do now? I mean,
not that you know Charlie. You woke up every morning
you wondered what Charlie Kirk was doing, but he was
in a lot of people's fee But at this no,
But at the same time, this represents something much larger
than Charlie Kirk. I mean for many conservatives. I mean,
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do you go silent? Do you hide in the shadows?
I mean, do you I mean and I would say no,
absolutely not, because history proves something else. Intimidation does not work.
Violence does not win. Now, many people will say, well,
it won today, it won over Charlie Kirk's life, But fear,
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fear doesn't silence free men and women. It strengthens them.
And that is that's who's listening right now, free men
and women, and and fear, the fear of what happened today.
I will not silence them. I mean, think about it.
The American colonists, Yeah, they didn't cower when the Red
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coats cracked down on their assemblies and censored their presses. No,
they wrote more, they spoke louder, they dumped tea in
the harbor, for God's sake, and they said, we will
not be silenced. And as a result, the world got America,
the freest, greatest, most prosperous nation in history. Martin Luther
King Jr. He was jailed, he was beaten, he was threatened,
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he was even bombed. But he didn't stop marching. He
didn't stop preaching his dream. And because he didn't Cowerica,
America became a more just nation. I mean. Ronald Reagan
another one. They tried to intimidate him with protests, they
tried to kill him, but Reagan stood tall. He called
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the Soviet Union what it was, an evil empire. He
didn't back down it. Because of that, the Berlin Wall fell,
the Iron Curtain collapsed, millions of people tasted freedom for
the first time, first time in their lives. That that
is if if there is anyone out there right now
that is celebrating what happened today, no need.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
If we've seen it, there are people out there on you.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
It is absolutely disgusting. It is absolutely disgusting. And if
these are the type of values that you teach your children,
God help us all, God help us all.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And look, I don't have to say shame on them,
because their own words bring shame on them. Their own words.
Today anybody that's that is celebrating and there are people
that are celebrating this, and there are people that are like,
oh see, come up, and this is what you get. No,
your words there, your words condemn you.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
But to honor his legacy and to continue we all,
all of us, all of us, we have to keep talking.
We have to keep it. We have to keep living
out the truth of freedom so boldly that even those
who hate us will understand.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
All right, we're gonna be talking a lot more about
Charlie Kirk as we go throughout the show today. Right now,
let's get to the top to the things you need
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Her trial is scheduled for November seventeenth.
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Just more ridiculousness, right, yeah, I mean, just more ridiculousness.
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You have a city that has a history of eruption,
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Stephen paul lewis representative of Paulina Luna. She hit the
nail squarely on the head. I mean she did not
mince any words. She tweeted out. I am done with
the rhetoric. This rotten house and corrupt media has caused
every damn one of you who called us fascists did this.
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You were too busy doping up kids, cutting off their genitals,
inciting racial violence, by supporting organizations that exploit minorities, protecting criminals,
and stirring hate. You are the hate you claim to fight.
Your words caused this. Your hate caused this. Charlie, his family,
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those kids, no one deserved this. Enough is enough.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
So there was a moment on the House floor after
it was announced that Charlie Kirk had passed away. Speaker
Mike Johnson was at the rostrum, and there's some bedlam
that kind of took place. What we're gonna play the
clip A lot of it's kind of silent, but here's
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
The Chairwood asked that all members president in the chamber
and those in the gallery please rise for a moment
of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
So all the members are standing reverently, have.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
A moment of silence. I know you, yeah, we're waiting,
going along. And then when the moment's done, you're gonna
hear in the background there's a ocean made by a
representative Bobert out of Colorado, and she wants someone to
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lead a prayer aloud. And so the moment silence over
you here a little murmuring in the background.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
What purpose is in a lady from Colorado rise?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
So this is Laurene Bobert rising.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Sh So.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
All right, So you hear that she says, can someone
lead us in a moment a prayer out loud? You
immediately hear people on left going, no, let's no.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Let's wait a minute, wait a minute. The house will
be an order, The house will be in order.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Then you get yelling back in the House in order.
Sh we yeah, the House of being order.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
And he has to keep doing that. And that's what
That's what happened on the House today because a Republican said,
can we actually have a moment of prayer out loud?
And the Democrats are like, no, we just did a
silent one. That's enough.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, because you know, Charlie Kirk was the devil to them, right, Okay,
if Charlie, but but so is Donald Trump, if Charlie
anyone else that that I guess spews in their words
a conservative dribble.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Okay, if Charlie Kirk was evil in the minds of
folks on the left, and I think there's some that
think that that he is. Who on the right isn't
who on the right in the minds of folks on
the left isn't evil. Charlie Kirk talks about talked about
family marriage between one man and one woman, the way
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that God designed things and goes that's evil. Charlie Kirk said,
we should not be teaching our young boys that they
are actually girls. That that does a lot of emotional, psychological,
and ultimately physical biological harm to them. We shouldn't be
teaching them that, and left goes monster. Charlie Kirk says,
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I'm willing to talk to anybody. Anybody wants to come
up share your views with me, I'll talk to you.
That's great, anybody, and they go monster, and you just
have this sad situation in the house, in the well
of the House of Democrats and Republicans yelling at each
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other across the aisle because the Democrats were like, we've
already done our moment of silence. We're done.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Okay, let me ask you this question, because you're going
to see this on lots of different media reports throughout
the night and in the coming weeks, all going to
reference what Charlie Kirk said once reportedly and I haven't
fact checked this, but I haven't seen it. I have
seen it on several websites with regards to gun violence.
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So ks LA Channel twelve in Shreveport posted a story
on the shooting of Charlie Kirk and talked about how
President Trump asked everyone to pray and that you know,
Charlie Kirk said once that you will never live in
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a society where you have an armed citizenry and you
won't have a single gun death. I think it's worth
the cost unfortunately some gun deaths every single year, so
that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our
other God given rights. That is a prudent deal, It
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is rational. And the left is putting that as the
punctuation mark on every story that they write about the assassination,
and we're calling it an assassination.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
It was of Charlie Kirk today, is that.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
He understood this, He knew the risks. He opposed any
gun legislation that in their minds, would have made this
world safer, that in their minds, would have spared his life.
And so therefore the fact that he stood up against
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such common sense gun control means that he got what
was coming to him.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
What they've left out, though, is all the times that
Charlie Kirk talked about how the problem we have in
America with gun violence isn't the guns, it's mental health.
Is that we have people like the guy you know what,
it wasn't even gun violence as night violence on the
train in North Carolina. Charlie Kirk was talking about that
this week, that that guy obviously had mental health problems,
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and yet we just let him walking around on the street.
This guy was convinced that the government had put something
in his body and was controlling him, and he was
out on the streets and he murdered a white woman
in part because she was a white woman, but in
part because apparently that guy thought that white woman was
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reading his mind.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Which obviously mentally ill.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Okay, but that's the point is that that's what Charlie
Kirk is saying, was saying about guns, is that the
problem isn't the guns. The problems that we aren't dealing
with mental illness in this country. And that's a fact
we aren't.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
And yes, this is a tremendous tragedy today. The loss
of human life is always a tragedy because we believe
in the sanctity of life. But the danger here as
well is silence. The danger is patriots like you and
me and our audience saying, well, I better not speak up,
I better not post this, I better not go to
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that rally. Look what happened to Charlie Kirk, Because that's
exactly what enemies of freedom want. They want you to
censor yourself, right, They want you they want you to
muzzle yourself. They want you to believe that speaking up
is too costly, that the debate isn't worth it, that
the battlefield of ideas is too bloody. But let me
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tell you something. If we let them win that battle,
then Charlie Kirk's death will have been in vain. If
we retreat into silence, then that assassin didn't just kill
a man, He killed the First Amendment and worse.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Rather than just one death being in vain, millions of
people's lives will be in vain, because without freedom, what
do you have. And that's the Left's policies are anti speech,
they're anti God, their anti family.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Here we are in a nation whose constitution portends to
highlight the importance of the value of free speech, and
yet we've got millions of Americans that apparently are like.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Eh, there's a pull out. Earlier this year said a
shocking number of people on the left think political violence
is justified.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
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Speaker 4 (22:44):
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Speaker 5 (22:48):
So if you have not heard, Charlie Kirk, the leader
of Turning Point USA, a father, a husband, He was
taken from us today at the But this was the
University of Utah.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
No, this was a Utah Valley University. It's in Provo, Utah.
It's just a little bit south of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So it's an outdoor event. The beautiful, beautiful blue sky.
Not a cloud, not a cloud in the sky. And
he was doing what he has done hundreds, maybe thousands
of times on college campuses, and that is basically debating
with folks, you know, asking folks to bring their their
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best ideas with regards to whatever the issue that they
would like to talk about. Sometimes it's transgenderism, sometimes it's
gun controls, sometimes the death penalty, whatever it may be, tariffs, whatever,
you come up and you debate. Charlie Kirk right there,
and there were hundreds of young people in attendance.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That looked like a thousands that that crowd there looked
like it was thousands of people there. Some of the
esmends I've heard about two thousand people and that that
seems about right for that crowd.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
And did you see the comments from Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker.
I mean, this is the walking embodiment of big government hypocrisy.
He stood in front of the cameras today, wagged his
finger and had the goal to blame Donald Trump's rhetoric
for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Can you believe this? How I tell you what?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Let me see here, mister producer. Do we have a
I think we've got a clip. You got a clip,
let's see here from JB. Pritzker, Democrat, governor of Illinois.
And and of course he's.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Mad at Donald Trump because Donald Trump's trying to send
the National Guard into Chica.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
He's got a cute up here. We go.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
We've seen other political violence occur in dates, and yeah,
we don't have enough volume on that. Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
That that that well, we'll try to fix that. But
basically what he he said was political violence ramped up
in this country, and there are people who are fomenting
it in this country, and I think the president's rhetoric
often foments it.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Okay. So the people who have been targets of the
assassin stems, those are the people who are fomenting violence.
So I have this right if you follow this logic,
Martin Luther King Junior fomented the political violence against him.
That is that what I'm meaning. John John F. Kennedy,
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John F. Kennedy, he must have fomented the political violence
against Robert Kennedy, must have fomented the political violence against him. Okay,
but here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
When he talks about who's fomenting political violence, who's out
there burning cities, smashing windows, attacking police officers, assassinating conservatives,
attempting to kill a former president of the United States
of America.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Multiple times last year.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Who is who's out there stalking Supreme Court justices outside
their homes. It's not Trump supporters, it's not Turning Point
USA members. It's the people waving American flags on college campuses.
Is that those are the folks that are foamenting political violence. No,
my friends, it's democrats, it's leftists, it's Antifa thugs and
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Black Lives Matter rioters. Those are the folks. Those are
the folks that are committing acts of political violence. You remember,
remember the summer of twenty twenty. Let's go down memory
lane for just a moment. Billions in damage, dozens killed
in the name of racial justice, and who incited it?
Was it Trump? Was it Democrat politicians?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
No, it was lies about George Floyd's death. That's that's
really what it was.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
It was Democrat politicians kneeling, remember them kneeling in Congress? Yeah,
I mean, I mean, these are the folks, these are
the folks that are fomenting political violence every time.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Well, how many times have conservatives been called fascists? How
many times have conservatives been called Nazis? And again, if
you if you are on the left and you believe
that Charlie Kirk is a Nazi, well why wouldn't you
shoot him? I mean, if that's genuinely what you believe,
isn't that what you're supposed to do to the Nazis?
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It's what we did in World War Two the Nazis. See,
That's that's the real danger of this rhetoric is is
once you jump to Donald Trump is Hitler and anyone
who supports Donald Trump is a fascist? Where do you
go from there? Is there is there any possibility for conversation?
And see Charlie Kirk, the point of his life was
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that he believed that we could continue to have a
conversation even if you called him a fascist. He'd kind
of laugh it off and go, Okay, why do you
say that? What is it that you think that I'm
doing that's fascistic? What is it? And that was what
he tried to do, was he tried to have conversations
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with people who hated him. And you know, I've been
thinking about this all day because he has this whole
change my mind, this is the change my Mind tour, right,
change my mind. Well, the left couldn't change his mind.
So the shotting and that is really where this all
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leads to is if we can't have conversations as a nation,
if we cannot do what Charlie Kirk was trying to do,
what is the hope for us to continue to be
a United States of America? No?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Absolutely, And Charlie Kirk, I mean, who was calling him
a fascist every day of his public life? Who was
branding him and everyone like him as a danger to democracy?
It was the left, It was the Democrats, it was
the media. They set the stage, they wrote the script,
and then when the inevitable happens, they look around and say, gee,
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how did this happen? Maybe it was Trump's rhetoric. That's
just that's more than laughable, it is insulting. And Trump's
rhetoric give me a break. Trump's rhetoric is about winning,
It's about restoring pride, about draining the swamp Democrats rhetoric,
on the other hand, is about dehumanizing, dehumanizing half of
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the country. They call us fascists, they call us Nazis, extremists.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
They say, don't humanize Donald Trump. Well, Donald Trump is
a human, So how can my words humanize him unless
you have turned him into some kind of a monster
in your mind, exactly.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
And then they act surprised, they act shocked with someone
takes them seriously, impulls the trigger. I mean, this is
the upside down world of JB. Pritzker. It's Trump's fault.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I don't think they're actually acting shocked today. I've seen
them come out, well, there's no place for political violence.
Well tell that to Maxine Waters back in twenty sixteen
when she said, you get in their face and you
let them know they're not welcoming. You push back on them.
Tell that to the mobs who chased Ted Cruz out
of a restaurant in Washington, d c. And were applauded
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by the left for doing or justice Kavanaugh. Yeah, so
I understand it. It's all good and while to say
there's no room in America for political violence. After Charlie
Kirk got murdered, But this is.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
The classic lessons Where were you before? But they project
their own sins on their opponents. They foment violence, Governor,
they excuse violence. Your own party cashes in on violence.
And then when blood is spilled, you point to Trump
and you say, see that's your fault. No, Governor, this
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is your fault. This is your fault. This is the
fault of your party, your rhetoric, your mobs, your corrupt
media allies who demonized Charlie Kirk until the day someone
decided to silence him permanently, which was today. So when
you stand there, you puff up and you say, Trump
foment's violence. Remember the truth. It's Democrats that have been
(31:28):
playing with fire for years, and now the entire country
is getting burned.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
We have been talking about the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
We're gonna it looks like we may have some breaking
news here. We'll talk about that coming up on the
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Speaker 4 (33:12):
Welcome back to American Round Radium. Stephen part with Lewis r. Avaloni.
We do have some breaking news here on the murder
of Charlie Kirk, conservative host founder of Turning Point USA
podcaster Christian He was murdered in an event at Utah
(33:32):
Valley University south of Salt Lake City earlier today and Cospitel,
the director of the FBI, just posted a few minutes
ago that they do have a suspect in custody. Earlier today,
they had arrested a man, an elderly man with blue
shirt white shorts who was wearing That man was not
(33:54):
the suspect in the case. The apparently the suspect who
shot Kerk was able to leave campus and then was
arrested after a man hunt with the FBI and local authorities.
But apparently the suspect is indeed in custody, and The
(34:15):
New York Post has just published an article on this
talking about how where the shooting was coming from. So
we see in that video, which by the way, let
me let.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Me don't see let me let me just say this.
I saw the video of him being shot, and I
wish I had not. So if you're thinking about you know,
you're driving home and you're like, you're going to be
on social media and if you can avoid watching it,
and I know you all have grown people, but you.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Do need you do need to protect what it is
you put into your mind. Absolutely, this is not something
that you want to put in You.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Cannot unsee this, You cannot unsee this.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
It's awful. That is one of the things about working
in media and in journalism, I've seen a lot of
awful things because I worked in journalism, and this is
which is.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
This is just a small taste of what our first
responder goes through all the time that you know it's
and so we certainly pray for you and have a
greater appreciation after so after witnessing what what America has
witnessed today.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
So in some of those videos, you see the crowd
that's gathered in that courtyard area, right, and there's some
buildings around the outside edge of that courtyard, right. We've
seen those in some of the in the pictures and
some of the videos. Apparently, according to the New York Post,
the shooter was not on any of those buildings. The
shooter was apparently on the roof of what's called the
Low C Center building, which is much further away from
(35:51):
where that event was taking place. Now, apparently there was
a still a direct line, still a direct view, but
it's not one of the buildings that you see in
that video. It's it's beyond those buildings.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
So to the extent that his security detail did in
fact sweep the surrounding areas, including those buildings, right, they
may not have they obviously did not sweep every single building,
and even if they had, you know, this being a
building that was further away may not have been given
the scrutiny, certainly that that a building closer to where
(36:26):
he was speaking would have been given.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So this is, yeah, this is much further away, and
they're seeing two hundred yards. They're seeing two hundred yards
away from from the event. And again those local buildings
were much closer than that that you see in the video.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
You know, and I don't want to get too philosophical
about this, okay, but you know, in psychology, yes, you know,
one of the fundamental insights about human behavior is that
people who cannot regulate their emotions resort to aggression or violence,
because when reason and self control collapse, all you've got
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is raw emotion. And that we have two basic ways
of resolving conflict. The first is through logic, persuasion, dialogue,
the exchange of ideas, which was in fact what Charlie
Kirk had made his life's mission right in terms of
resolving the conflict of ideas. The second is through domination
(37:32):
through aggression and through force. And the civilized world, well,
we choose the first path. The primitive world, the world
where instinct rules unchecked, it falls into the second. And
when a person feels cornered in an argument, when their
beliefs are challenged and they cannot defend them with reason,
(37:53):
you know, they just can't. There's not an argument to
be made that there, Yes, there are only two genders.
There's there's only two genders.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I'm not passing judgment on you or your lifestyle or whatever,
but it is a fact that there is only two genders.
When you can't, you can't process that, when your emotions
just take over, you lash out. Yeah, and why why
do you see that on the left?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Well, why do you see that? We can see that
almost you can see that on the right too. If
this is not there were there were what there are
some Michigan Democrat state legislators who were murdered earlier this
year in their home. Others that were shot and survived.
And that was a person on the right who did that.
So you've got you've got some on the right who
(38:44):
are today on Charlie Kirk, go watch, go watch some
of the feeds on social media, and you will see
people on the right very angry and threatening violence themselves.
That is not the answer. So so violence isn't necessarily
exclusive to one political part of another. But there is
certainly one party that's taken potshots at politicians and public
(39:06):
officials more than the other.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
It's more than that the left has built an entire
culture around emotion. For example, I feel unsafe, right, I
feel attacked, I feel triggered. That's their language. Not I think,
not I reason, not even I believe, but I feel.
Everything's about feelings. And what do you do when all
(39:31):
you've got are your feelings? You're operating off of emotion,
raw emotion, not logic, not reason, not any rationality whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
And that's where a lot of this comes down to,
is that the left believes irrational things. Donald Trump is
not Hitler, He's not a fascist. Boys are not girls.
They can't switch. Those are irrational things. We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
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Speaker 4 (40:15):
Welcome back to America Great Radio. Stephen Parr with Lewis
r Avaloni. We've we've been talking about Charlie Kirk and
the assassination of Charlie Kirk all day. Today. We are
going to be talking about this some more coming up
this next hour. We have some other news we also
want to cover next hour a little bit as well.
The breaking news here is that the suspect in the
(40:39):
Charlie Kirk assassination has been captured in Utah, in Ogden, Utah.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Well, we're also watching a video footage of someone that
was filming a man lying flat prostrate on a rooftop
that had a direct line of sight to Charlie Kirk.
I mean, was a this was he a trained marksman.
I don't know if he was a trained marksman, but
(41:07):
he this was a hell of.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
A shot two hundred yards away.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
I know a lot of folks may say that's nothing.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
But it was only one shot that was fired. He
I mean, he didn't he didn't send another round. You know.
In in was in Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania. There were multiple shots,
multiple shots. This was one shot and it was over and.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Well, and I know we're gonna be talking about this
a lot more next hour, but you know what, at
the same time, you know, tonight, gather up all your babies,
you know, maybe don't cook tonight, you know, and this
is the time where we normally talk about Magnolia pit.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Barbecue, right and make great food.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
It's maybe a great time to go to Magnolia Pit Barbecue.
Maybe eat there with your family. Just kind of take
a moment, maybe pick some Magnolia Pit barbecue up, because
this is the time to be with your family. We're
not guaranteed tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
No, no, not um never were, by the way, not since,
not since day one. We were never guaranteed tomorrow. Ronald
Reagan said, liberty is not handed down the bloodstream. It
must be protected, defended, fought for, and handed down to
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the next generation for them to do the same. Charlie
Kirk did that. He protected liberty for the next generation.
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Speaker 5 (01:05):
Now, if you all have not heard the news, Charlie Kirk,
a founder of Turning Point USA, A man who made
his entire career on the notion of going into our
colleges and our universities and having an open, honest, straightforward debate,
not to harm or be little, not to name cal
(01:26):
but to enlighten, to change hearts and minds.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
To share ideas.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Charlie Kirk was taken from us today by a cowardly
act of an assassin who is still at large. And
while you had talking heads saying that well, this could
have been celebratory gunfire from the crowd of the university
(01:54):
crowd there in Utah, which was ridiculous. He was fighting
for his life after being shot from this assassin's cowardly act.
The bullet tore completely through his jugular and he bled.
(02:15):
He bled out right there on the ground. He was
rushed to the hospital and unfortunately succumbed to his injuries.
He's thirty one years old, a husband, a father of
two beautiful babies. And he was martyred for the cause
(02:36):
I believe of American conservatism, for the cause of building
a peaceful discourse, of trying to hard, trying very hard
to meet in the middle with ideological opponents on the
battlefield of ideas. And today that battlefield of ideas became
(03:00):
stained with the blood of a good man. And and
and if if you would like to join us in
saying the Lord's prayer for our nation, for Charlie Kirk,
for his family, please do our Father heart in heaven,
(03:24):
hallow'd be thy name, that Kingdom come. Thy will be
done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us
this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us
not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. And
(03:50):
today today was indeed evil, absolute evil. We are we are.
We are living in in America that is unrecognizable to
those who fought and bled for her freedoms. We're living
in in America where words themselves are treated as violence,
(04:14):
where debate is treated as dangerous, where disagreement is treated
as a crime. And now, God help us, we are
living in America where a young man who built his
life and career about debating openly, respectfully, passionately was cut
down by an assassin's bullet thirty one years old, Yeah,
(04:40):
thirty one years old. And while he lay there fighting
for his life, you had the media, Oh, the dishonest,
the disgusting media, national media, those smug talking heads speculating
(05:01):
about celebratory gunfire, that there's somebody on it was a
c And MSNBC came on and says, look, we don't
even know where the shot came from. Okay, fair enough,
it could have been some of his own fans with
a celebratory gunfire. Uh No, imagine thinking that conservatives patrol
(05:26):
insane would celebrate the really oh, Hey, Charlie Cooks, Sure,
let's let's shoot our guns off on the air.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
This you don't know what conservatives believe at all, and
you don't want to. But see, you've created a caricature
of conservatives and you've turned them into some sort of
cross between hillbillies and monsters. And it's that lack of
curiosity about your fellow American that led to today's shooting.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
You know, as we're trying to make sense of it all,
you know, there are a lot of folks right now
are like, well, what do we do now? I mean,
not that you know Charlie. You woke up every morning
you wondered what Charlie Kirk was doing, but he was
in a lot of people's fee But at this no,
But at the same time, this represents something much larger
than Charlie Kirk. I mean for many conservatives. I mean,
(06:20):
do you go silent? Do you hide in the shadows?
I mean, do you I mean and I would say no,
absolutely not, because history proves something else. Intimidation does not work.
Violence does not win. Now, many people will say, well,
it won today, it won over Charlie Kirk's life, But fear,
(06:46):
fear doesn't silence free men and women. It strengthens them.
And that is that's who's listening right now, free men
and women, and and fear, the fear of what happened today.
I will not silence them. I mean, think about it.
The American colonists, Yeah, they didn't cower when the Red
(07:08):
coats cracked down on their assemblies and censored their presses. No,
they wrote more, they spoke louder, they dumped tea in
the harbor, for God's sake, and they said, we will
not be silenced. And as a result, the world got America,
the freest, greatest, most prosperous nation in history. Martin Luther
King Jr. He was jailed, he was beaten, he was threatened,
(07:33):
he was even bombed. But he didn't stop marching. He
didn't stop preaching his dream. And because he didn't Cowerica,
America became a more just nation. I mean. Ronald Reagan
another one. They tried to intimidate him with protests, they
tried to kill him, but Reagan stood tall. He called
(07:54):
the Soviet Union what it was, an evil empire. He
didn't back down it. Because of that, the Berlin Wall fell,
the Iron Curtain collapsed, millions of people tasted freedom for
the first time, first time in their lives. That that
is if if there is anyone out there right now
that is celebrating what happened today, no need.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
If we've seen it, there are people out there on you.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
It is absolutely disgusting. It is absolutely disgusting. And if
these are the type of values that you teach your children,
God help us all, God help us all.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And look, I don't have to say shame on them,
because their own words bring shame on them. Their own words.
Today anybody that's that is celebrating and there are people
that are celebrating this, and there are people that are like,
oh see, come up, and this is what you get. No,
your words there, your words condemn you.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
But to honor his legacy and to continue we all,
all of us, all of us, we have to keep talking.
We have to keep it. We have to keep living
out the truth of freedom so boldly that even those
who hate us will understand.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
All right, we're gonna be talking a lot more about
Charlie Kirk as we go throughout the show today. Right now,
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Just more ridiculousness, right, yeah, I mean, just more ridiculousness.
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What do you think about that?
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there's so many on the left. We can't build any
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Stephen paul lewis representative of Paulina Luna. She hit the
nail squarely on the head. I mean she did not
mince any words. She tweeted out. I am done with
the rhetoric. This rotten house and corrupt media has caused
every damn one of you who called us fascists did this.
(13:39):
You were too busy doping up kids, cutting off their genitals,
inciting racial violence, by supporting organizations that exploit minorities, protecting criminals,
and stirring hate. You are the hate you claim to fight.
Your words caused this. Your hate caused this. Charlie, his family,
(14:02):
those kids, no one deserved this. Enough is enough.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
So there was a moment on the House floor after
it was announced that Charlie Kirk had passed away. Speaker
Mike Johnson was at the rostrum, and there's some bedlam
that kind of took place. What we're gonna play the
clip A lot of it's kind of silent, but here's
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
The Chairwood asked that all members president in the chamber
and those in the gallery please rise for a moment
of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
So all the members are standing reverently, have.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
A moment of silence. I know you, yeah, we're waiting,
going along. And then when the moment's done, you're gonna
hear in the background there's a ocean made by a
representative Bobert out of Colorado, and she wants someone to
(15:08):
lead a prayer aloud. And so the moment silence over
you here a little murmuring in the background.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
What purpose is in a lady from Colorado rise?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
So this is Laurene Bobert rising.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Sh So.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
All right, So you hear that she says, can someone
lead us in a moment a prayer out loud? You
immediately hear people on left going, no, let's no.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Let's wait a minute, wait a minute. The house will
be an order, The house will be in order.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Then you get yelling back in the House in order.
Sh we yeah, the House of being order.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
And he has to keep doing that. And that's what
That's what happened on the House today because a Republican said,
can we actually have a moment of prayer out loud?
And the Democrats are like, no, we just did a
silent one. That's enough.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, because you know, Charlie Kirk was the devil to them, right, Okay,
if Charlie, but but so is Donald Trump, if Charlie
anyone else that that I guess spews in their words
a conservative dribble.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Okay, if Charlie Kirk was evil in the minds of
folks on the left, and I think there's some that
think that that he is. Who on the right isn't
who on the right in the minds of folks on
the left isn't evil. Charlie Kirk talks about talked about
family marriage between one man and one woman, the way
(16:58):
that God designed things and goes that's evil. Charlie Kirk said,
we should not be teaching our young boys that they
are actually girls. That that does a lot of emotional, psychological,
and ultimately physical biological harm to them. We shouldn't be
teaching them that, and left goes monster. Charlie Kirk says,
(17:22):
I'm willing to talk to anybody. Anybody wants to come
up share your views with me, I'll talk to you.
That's great, anybody, and they go monster, and you just
have this sad situation in the house, in the well
of the House of Democrats and Republicans yelling at each
(17:42):
other across the aisle because the Democrats were like, we've
already done our moment of silence. We're done.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Okay, let me ask you this question, because you're going
to see this on lots of different media reports throughout
the night and in the coming weeks, all going to
reference what Charlie Kirk said once reportedly and I haven't
fact checked this, but I haven't seen it. I have
seen it on several websites with regards to gun violence.
(18:14):
So ks LA Channel twelve in Shreveport posted a story
on the shooting of Charlie Kirk and talked about how
President Trump asked everyone to pray and that you know,
Charlie Kirk said once that you will never live in
(18:36):
a society where you have an armed citizenry and you
won't have a single gun death. I think it's worth
the cost unfortunately some gun deaths every single year, so
that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our
other God given rights. That is a prudent deal, It
(19:00):
is rational. And the left is putting that as the
punctuation mark on every story that they write about the assassination,
and we're calling it an assassination.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
It was of Charlie Kirk today, is that.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
He understood this, He knew the risks. He opposed any
gun legislation that in their minds, would have made this
world safer, that in their minds, would have spared his life.
And so therefore the fact that he stood up against
(19:40):
such common sense gun control means that he got what
was coming to him.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
What they've left out, though, is all the times that
Charlie Kirk talked about how the problem we have in
America with gun violence isn't the guns, it's mental health.
Is that we have people like the guy you know what,
it wasn't even gun violence as night violence on the
train in North Carolina. Charlie Kirk was talking about that
this week, that that guy obviously had mental health problems,
(20:08):
and yet we just let him walking around on the street.
This guy was convinced that the government had put something
in his body and was controlling him, and he was
out on the streets and he murdered a white woman
in part because she was a white woman, but in
part because apparently that guy thought that white woman was
(20:29):
reading his mind.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Which obviously mentally ill.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Okay, but that's the point is that that's what Charlie
Kirk is saying, was saying about guns, is that the
problem isn't the guns. The problems that we aren't dealing
with mental illness in this country. And that's a fact
we aren't.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
And yes, this is a tremendous tragedy today. The loss
of human life is always a tragedy because we believe
in the sanctity of life. But the danger here as
well is silence. The danger is patriots like you and
me and our audience saying, well, I better not speak up,
I better not post this, I better not go to
(21:09):
that rally. Look what happened to Charlie Kirk, Because that's
exactly what enemies of freedom want. They want you to
censor yourself, right, They want you they want you to
muzzle yourself. They want you to believe that speaking up
is too costly, that the debate isn't worth it, that
the battlefield of ideas is too bloody. But let me
(21:31):
tell you something. If we let them win that battle,
then Charlie Kirk's death will have been in vain. If
we retreat into silence, then that assassin didn't just kill
a man, He killed the First Amendment and worse.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Rather than just one death being in vain, millions of
people's lives will be in vain, because without freedom, what
do you have. And that's the Left's policies are anti speech,
they're anti God, their anti family.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Here we are in a nation whose constitution portends to
highlight the importance of the value of free speech, and
yet we've got millions of Americans that apparently are like.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Eh, there's a pull out. Earlier this year said a
shocking number of people on the left think political violence
is justified.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
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Speaker 4 (22:44):
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Speaker 5 (22:48):
So if you have not heard, Charlie Kirk, the leader
of Turning Point USA, a father, a husband, He was
taken from us today at the But this was the
University of Utah.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
No, this was a Utah Valley University. It's in Provo, Utah.
It's just a little bit south of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So it's an outdoor event. The beautiful, beautiful blue sky.
Not a cloud, not a cloud in the sky. And
he was doing what he has done hundreds, maybe thousands
of times on college campuses, and that is basically debating
with folks, you know, asking folks to bring their their
(23:35):
best ideas with regards to whatever the issue that they
would like to talk about. Sometimes it's transgenderism, sometimes it's
gun controls, sometimes the death penalty, whatever it may be, tariffs, whatever,
you come up and you debate. Charlie Kirk right there,
and there were hundreds of young people in attendance.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That looked like a thousands that that crowd there looked
like it was thousands of people there. Some of the
esmends I've heard about two thousand people and that that
seems about right for that crowd.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
And did you see the comments from Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker.
I mean, this is the walking embodiment of big government hypocrisy.
He stood in front of the cameras today, wagged his
finger and had the goal to blame Donald Trump's rhetoric
for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Can you believe this? How I tell you what?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Let me see here, mister producer. Do we have a
I think we've got a clip. You got a clip,
let's see here from JB. Pritzker, Democrat, governor of Illinois.
And and of course he's.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Mad at Donald Trump because Donald Trump's trying to send
the National Guard into Chica.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
He's got a cute up here. We go.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
We've seen other political violence occur in dates, and yeah,
we don't have enough volume on that. Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
That that that well, we'll try to fix that. But
basically what he he said was political violence ramped up
in this country, and there are people who are fomenting
it in this country, and I think the president's rhetoric
often foments it.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Okay. So the people who have been targets of the
assassin stems, those are the people who are fomenting violence.
So I have this right if you follow this logic,
Martin Luther King Junior fomented the political violence against him.
That is that what I'm meaning. John John F. Kennedy,
(25:37):
John F. Kennedy, he must have fomented the political violence
against Robert Kennedy, must have fomented the political violence against him. Okay,
but here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
When he talks about who's fomenting political violence, who's out
there burning cities, smashing windows, attacking police officers, assassinating conservatives,
attempting to kill a former president of the United States
of America.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Multiple times last year.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Who is who's out there stalking Supreme Court justices outside
their homes. It's not Trump supporters, it's not Turning Point
USA members. It's the people waving American flags on college campuses.
Is that those are the folks that are foamenting political violence. No,
my friends, it's democrats, it's leftists, it's Antifa thugs and
(26:30):
Black Lives Matter rioters. Those are the folks. Those are
the folks that are committing acts of political violence. You remember,
remember the summer of twenty twenty. Let's go down memory
lane for just a moment. Billions in damage, dozens killed
in the name of racial justice, and who incited it?
Was it Trump? Was it Democrat politicians?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
No, it was lies about George Floyd's death. That's that's
really what it was.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
It was Democrat politicians kneeling, remember them kneeling in Congress? Yeah,
I mean, I mean, these are the folks, these are
the folks that are fomenting political violence every time.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Well, how many times have conservatives been called fascists? How
many times have conservatives been called Nazis? And again, if
you if you are on the left and you believe
that Charlie Kirk is a Nazi, well why wouldn't you
shoot him? I mean, if that's genuinely what you believe,
isn't that what you're supposed to do to the Nazis?
(27:36):
It's what we did in World War Two the Nazis. See,
That's that's the real danger of this rhetoric is is
once you jump to Donald Trump is Hitler and anyone
who supports Donald Trump is a fascist? Where do you
go from there? Is there is there any possibility for conversation?
And see Charlie Kirk, the point of his life was
(28:00):
that he believed that we could continue to have a
conversation even if you called him a fascist. He'd kind
of laugh it off and go, Okay, why do you
say that? What is it that you think that I'm
doing that's fascistic? What is it? And that was what
he tried to do, was he tried to have conversations
(28:22):
with people who hated him. And you know, I've been
thinking about this all day because he has this whole
change my mind, this is the change my Mind tour, right,
change my mind. Well, the left couldn't change his mind.
So the shotting and that is really where this all
(28:43):
leads to is if we can't have conversations as a nation,
if we cannot do what Charlie Kirk was trying to do,
what is the hope for us to continue to be
a United States of America? No?
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Absolutely, And Charlie Kirk, I mean, who was calling him
a fascist every day of his public life? Who was
branding him and everyone like him as a danger to democracy?
It was the left, It was the Democrats, it was
the media. They set the stage, they wrote the script,
and then when the inevitable happens, they look around and say, gee,
(29:17):
how did this happen? Maybe it was Trump's rhetoric. That's
just that's more than laughable, it is insulting. And Trump's
rhetoric give me a break. Trump's rhetoric is about winning,
It's about restoring pride, about draining the swamp Democrats rhetoric,
on the other hand, is about dehumanizing, dehumanizing half of
(29:39):
the country. They call us fascists, they call us Nazis, extremists.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
They say, don't humanize Donald Trump. Well, Donald Trump is
a human, So how can my words humanize him unless
you have turned him into some kind of a monster
in your mind, exactly.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
And then they act surprised, they act shocked with someone
takes them seriously, impulls the trigger. I mean, this is
the upside down world of JB. Pritzker. It's Trump's fault.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I don't think they're actually acting shocked today. I've seen
them come out, well, there's no place for political violence.
Well tell that to Maxine Waters back in twenty sixteen
when she said, you get in their face and you
let them know they're not welcoming. You push back on them.
Tell that to the mobs who chased Ted Cruz out
of a restaurant in Washington, d c. And were applauded
(30:28):
by the left for doing or justice Kavanaugh. Yeah, so
I understand it. It's all good and while to say
there's no room in America for political violence. After Charlie
Kirk got murdered, But this is.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
The classic lessons Where were you before? But they project
their own sins on their opponents. They foment violence, Governor,
they excuse violence. Your own party cashes in on violence.
And then when blood is spilled, you point to Trump
and you say, see that's your fault. No, Governor, this
(31:04):
is your fault. This is your fault. This is the
fault of your party, your rhetoric, your mobs, your corrupt
media allies who demonized Charlie Kirk until the day someone
decided to silence him permanently, which was today. So when
you stand there, you puff up and you say, Trump
foment's violence. Remember the truth. It's Democrats that have been
(31:28):
playing with fire for years, and now the entire country
is getting burned.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
We have been talking about the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
We're gonna it looks like we may have some breaking
news here. We'll talk about that coming up on the
other side of the break. We'll be right back with
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Speaker 4 (33:12):
Welcome back to American Round Radium. Stephen part with Lewis r. Avaloni.
We do have some breaking news here on the murder
of Charlie Kirk, conservative host founder of Turning Point USA
podcaster Christian He was murdered in an event at Utah
(33:32):
Valley University south of Salt Lake City earlier today and Cospitel,
the director of the FBI, just posted a few minutes
ago that they do have a suspect in custody. Earlier today,
they had arrested a man, an elderly man with blue
shirt white shorts who was wearing That man was not
(33:54):
the suspect in the case. The apparently the suspect who
shot Kerk was able to leave campus and then was
arrested after a man hunt with the FBI and local authorities.
But apparently the suspect is indeed in custody, and The
(34:15):
New York Post has just published an article on this
talking about how where the shooting was coming from. So
we see in that video, which by the way, let
me let.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Me don't see let me let me just say this.
I saw the video of him being shot, and I
wish I had not. So if you're thinking about you know,
you're driving home and you're like, you're going to be
on social media and if you can avoid watching it,
and I know you all have grown people, but you.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Do need you do need to protect what it is
you put into your mind. Absolutely, this is not something
that you want to put in You.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Cannot unsee this, You cannot unsee this.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
It's awful. That is one of the things about working
in media and in journalism, I've seen a lot of
awful things because I worked in journalism, and this is
which is.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
This is just a small taste of what our first
responder goes through all the time that you know it's
and so we certainly pray for you and have a
greater appreciation after so after witnessing what what America has
witnessed today.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
So in some of those videos, you see the crowd
that's gathered in that courtyard area, right, and there's some
buildings around the outside edge of that courtyard, right. We've
seen those in some of the in the pictures and
some of the videos. Apparently, according to the New York Post,
the shooter was not on any of those buildings. The
shooter was apparently on the roof of what's called the
Low C Center building, which is much further away from
(35:51):
where that event was taking place. Now, apparently there was
a still a direct line, still a direct view, but
it's not one of the buildings that you see in
that video. It's it's beyond those buildings.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
So to the extent that his security detail did in
fact sweep the surrounding areas, including those buildings, right, they
may not have they obviously did not sweep every single building,
and even if they had, you know, this being a
building that was further away may not have been given
the scrutiny, certainly that that a building closer to where
(36:26):
he was speaking would have been given.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So this is, yeah, this is much further away, and
they're seeing two hundred yards. They're seeing two hundred yards
away from from the event. And again those local buildings
were much closer than that that you see in the video.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
You know, and I don't want to get too philosophical
about this, okay, but you know, in psychology, yes, you know,
one of the fundamental insights about human behavior is that
people who cannot regulate their emotions resort to aggression or violence,
because when reason and self control collapse, all you've got
(37:06):
is raw emotion. And that we have two basic ways
of resolving conflict. The first is through logic, persuasion, dialogue,
the exchange of ideas, which was in fact what Charlie
Kirk had made his life's mission right in terms of
resolving the conflict of ideas. The second is through domination
(37:32):
through aggression and through force. And the civilized world, well,
we choose the first path. The primitive world, the world
where instinct rules unchecked, it falls into the second. And
when a person feels cornered in an argument, when their
beliefs are challenged and they cannot defend them with reason,
(37:53):
you know, they just can't. There's not an argument to
be made that there, Yes, there are only two genders.
There's there's only two genders.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I'm not passing judgment on you or your lifestyle or whatever,
but it is a fact that there is only two genders.
When you can't, you can't process that, when your emotions
just take over, you lash out. Yeah, and why why
do you see that on the left?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Well, why do you see that? We can see that
almost you can see that on the right too. If
this is not there were there were what there are
some Michigan Democrat state legislators who were murdered earlier this
year in their home. Others that were shot and survived.
And that was a person on the right who did that.
So you've got you've got some on the right who
(38:44):
are today on Charlie Kirk, go watch, go watch some
of the feeds on social media, and you will see
people on the right very angry and threatening violence themselves.
That is not the answer. So so violence isn't necessarily
exclusive to one political part of another. But there is
certainly one party that's taken potshots at politicians and public
(39:06):
officials more than the other.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
It's more than that the left has built an entire
culture around emotion. For example, I feel unsafe, right, I
feel attacked, I feel triggered. That's their language. Not I think,
not I reason, not even I believe, but I feel.
Everything's about feelings. And what do you do when all
(39:31):
you've got are your feelings? You're operating off of emotion,
raw emotion, not logic, not reason, not any rationality whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
And that's where a lot of this comes down to,
is that the left believes irrational things. Donald Trump is
not Hitler, He's not a fascist. Boys are not girls.
They can't switch. Those are irrational things. We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
You are listening to American Ground Radio.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Welcome back to America Great Radio. Stephen Parr with Lewis
r Avaloni. We've we've been talking about Charlie Kirk and
the assassination of Charlie Kirk all day. Today. We are
going to be talking about this some more coming up
this next hour. We have some other news we also
want to cover next hour a little bit as well.
The breaking news here is that the suspect in the
(40:39):
Charlie Kirk assassination has been captured in Utah, in Ogden, Utah.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Well, we're also watching a video footage of someone that
was filming a man lying flat prostrate on a rooftop
that had a direct line of sight to Charlie Kirk.
I mean, was a this was he a trained marksman.
I don't know if he was a trained marksman, but
(41:07):
he this was a hell of.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
A shot two hundred yards away.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
I know a lot of folks may say that's nothing.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
But it was only one shot that was fired. He
I mean, he didn't he didn't send another round. You know.
In in was in Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania. There were multiple shots,
multiple shots. This was one shot and it was over and.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Well, and I know we're gonna be talking about this
a lot more next hour, but you know what, at
the same time, you know, tonight, gather up all your babies,
you know, maybe don't cook tonight, you know, and this
is the time where we normally talk about Magnolia pit.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Barbecue, right and make great food.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
It's maybe a great time to go to Magnolia Pit Barbecue.
Maybe eat there with your family. Just kind of take
a moment, maybe pick some Magnolia Pit barbecue up, because
this is the time to be with your family. We're
not guaranteed tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
No, no, not um never were, by the way, not since,
not since day one. We were never guaranteed tomorrow. Ronald
Reagan said, liberty is not handed down the bloodstream. It
must be protected, defended, fought for, and handed down to
(42:34):
the next generation for them to do the same. Charlie
Kirk did that. He protected liberty for the next generation.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
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