Episode 116, March 22, 2025 - Jean Shepherd Show Marathon, Part 10 - Airchecks

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome to air checks. Here is more of a Gene
Shepherd marathon on w o R in New York City
from April twenty sixth, nineteen sixty three. Graffiti why Hi
Life is not only a magazine, It's a serial. If
you can't beat City Hall flooded. Schwartz's father, a vice
president and a most effectively leader. Part of the opening

(00:46):
theme has been deleted.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Look, I've learned over a long period at a time,
don't promise nothing and then anything you get, you see,
any little thing you get, You're like ahead of the game. Oh.
This is a true's absolute truism. And I can only
say to you that if you're expecting anything, you better

(02:21):
go someplace else for the next forty five minutes, because
it's Friday night and the yeast is beginning to bubble.
Speaking of yeast, how do they pronounce it here in
the East? Do they pronounce it yeast? Or do they
pronounce it east yeast? They pronounced the wy. Do you
know that in the effecate areas of northern Indiana it

(02:41):
is considered very very proper to not pronounce.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
The y for some reason or other.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
And yes, and they don't pronounce the U and pablum,
which is another very difficult thing for those. But of course,
on the other hand, there is a have you seen
this big signboard? Oh, there are signs everywhere. Speaking of signboards,
if you've seen this big signboard, you know the one,
the one that shows Paul Newman standing there, you know,

(03:09):
and he's sort of standing on the horizon, and you
see a Cadillac in the background, and you see a
chick lying prone on the ground, and above or just
below Newman in white letters, it says, why hud Well,
Now there's a signpost. I can think of at least
fifteen things at rhyme with hud that I would like

(03:32):
to suggest should be written on that signboard below the ad. Now,
I'm not going to promote any graffiti here. You know
what is a graffiti. Oh it's a very good word.
Graffiti means stuff. That's a very polite Italian word, referring
to the stuff guy's right on those wine ads that
you see in the subway. Now you thought it was

(03:53):
something else, that stuff they were writing all those words
and those pictures. Actually, if you you know, if you
find yourself on arrest reading all those things written on
the side of the frozen juice machines down there at
Columbus Circle, and you know you're standing there reading them,
and you don't want anybody to see that you're reading them.
And if somebody does catch you turn to them and say, well, actually,

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I'm a student of graffiti, which is a Native folk art,
and it comes.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Hey, now, come on, walt let them alone from it.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
We're having enough trouble getting them organized here. I let
them alone out.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Your guys are talking. You can talk it.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Out when we get out this. There's a stop a
minute there.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I hate to bother both of you. Now all we're
some of you of graffiti. Seriously, though, I don't often
ask listener types to do anything, and I'm not going
to ask you here.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
But I have a suspicion.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
That that sign was designed to have something written on it,
because the bottom half looks like a blackboard. If you've
seen it, it's black. It's half black, all right. I
look to me dumbly there, it's half black and you
see nothing but blackness. And in the little corner up
in the upper left hands it's this is why hood.
One of the other things too about that sign. For example,

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I swear and I hate to say, I'm not making
any suggestions.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Here, but the character there, Paul Newman, the character in.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
The ad is standing in exactly the same pose that
almost all the Vogue models use. I'm sorry. If you
looked at it, look at a carefully. That's a Vogue
model pose. And I'm not making any suggestions. Don't leave.
I'm just saying that's the way the ad is. Now.
These things are sometimes out of the hands of the artists,
but there it is, you know. And I'm not making

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any suggestions.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
But I'm going to tell you this.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm gonna look at all those signs that say why hut,
and I'm going to expect to see some interesting graffiti. Now,
any suggestions, I'm just saying, it's probably it's what's going
to happen, you know. But while we're on the subject
of that, as long as we're here.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Concerned with the Saturday Night and what's about why hud?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know, you'd be surprised at how many how many
words are interesting to us because of the sound of
the word over and above and beyond the meaning of
the word. Now, for example, hud. You know, I can
think of about fifteen words at rhyme with hud.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Immediately your mind picks.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
It up, you know, I said, look, I said, all right, Charlie,
uh I want the free association here, and I'm going
to give you a quick word.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
What does it remind me of the hut you said?
Blood sor right? I'll try it again.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Now, I'll try it again, hut stud, try try once again.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Hut mud.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Oh boy, it's awful exciting. It's it's awful exciting. And hey, folies,
it's awful exciting. You know.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I hate to bother all of you in there.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Speaking of the exciting things.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Look again, this is my home.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
Look at.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Look at the.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Work suits me the gang from Homo and it suits me.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
Fine.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Everything falling apart? Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello hello.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
They're crying out loud. Everything's falling apart time.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
But I guess well, I I I'd just like to suggest, however,
you stick with it. You know, there's a lot of
things if you, with the ads all over, are are
beginning to change our well, the entire complexion of our world.
I I I don't know. Do you do you ever
see Life magazine? Do we have any soft mother music
in there place?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Please? Hey, come on, quickly.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
When I say it, I want to adore it.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I don't teach you.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Cha, Rick.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Tit on page fourteen of the current issue of Life Magazine. Now,
not only is Life a magazine, Life is also a serial.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
He did he have a bowl of life tomorrow morning
with a little sugar and a little cream on it.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Nothing like a little sweetening to make life sing. And
some slice strawberries or maybe some crushed peaches.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Nothing like a.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Little peach to make life swing. On page fourteen of
the current issue of Life Magazine. A lovely picture, A
picture of mother. Yeah, no, no, when I read the copy,
she may be a mother, but she's a woman, nonetheless,

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with womanly instincts you can't deny, So don't instead give
her gilead lingerie of kim Strand nylon, gentle, wispy drifts
of it, embroidered with a handful of flowers, And why
about twelve dollars? Gown about six dollars And see why
nothing but nylon makes her feel.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
So female.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Kim Strand, New York Won, a division of Monsado Chemical Company,
makes kim Strand nylon for the woman she loves to
be mother. Imagery Lingerie by Gilead, bring it up quickly.
Mother image lingerie by Gillied.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yes, mother's out there.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Do you fit the mother image? Well, I'm just asking
a leading question. Actually, do you fit the mother image?
Speaking of the mother image, I think just you look
at the current copy of Life magazine, page fourteen, and
then you'll see what the mother image is. Oi oi oi,

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my old lady standing there in a red bathroom.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Oh what a mama.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
O yo yo yo yo yo YOI. I don't know
how Edgar Guest would handle this one. Now. I'm sure
that Nick Kenny has written many an atrocity about mother
and the end the past, I must have. Well, I
wonder if this was the mother he had mine As
a matter of fact, when I you know, I've oftentimes
screamed aloud at four o'clock in the morning, oh mama,

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and you know, just thinking about it, And it must
be this mother that I'm thinking about.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's all it is to it, you know, is it?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know they've they've often talked about people with a
mother fixation.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
You know, you hear this always a.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Reference to all kinds of play rights and one thing
and another going on. Maybe this is the mother they've
been thinking, But I've often wondered how you can, because
you know, most of the mothers I know look like
warthogs at dawn, you know, and they're nice and they
have nice, honest ideas and not as wonderful thoughts. I'm
not being antime, mother. You know, just the way the

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light strikes you, you know it, I says, I in
charge you with a lovely mother. I don't know whether
this is copa that wrote this copy or whether it's
just pure surrealism. Would you please pass u? And this
is going to go in with a great file. It's
like the other day I went aboard a ship.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Oh boy, this is a great world we're living in.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I just wish that every one of you could have
been invited to a thing I was invited to by
some mistake. I was invited to this thing and it
was held aboard this big Italian liner, you know, Christophoro
or Christophero Colombo. Is that the way they pronounce it,
Christopher Columbus of the Italian lines.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Well, I got a wire and apparently they think I
am a lady editor. Yes, because my first name.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Is spelled with a J. I get invited to some
real gassy things you know, and apparently they think I'm
a lady editor and I do a program.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Of talk I'll never forget.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
One time, I'm working in another city. In fact, the
city we'll call for purposes of argument, Philadelphia. It's not
actually a city, it's a place. They call it the Philadelphia.
And I'm working in Philadelphia, and I got a letter
from a guy. It says, dear miss Shepherd. Start out,
dear miss Shepherd. I'm here at the Bellevue Stratford Hotel

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and I'm listening to your program, and I just must say,
you do the finest women's program I've ever heard. And
since this is true, I would like to bring a
client of mine up to be interviewed on your program. Now,
my client doesn't go on many programs, but a program
is Pineys. Your's with such deep insight and such a

(12:45):
wonderful view of the woman's world. This program, I feel,
would be just bidding from my client. Signed Joe Watanabe,
famous press agent, hard hitting man and dynamic mote in
the eye of twentieth century civilization.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
It's like the other day.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I tell you about the time I got I got
a letter.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
From the Who's who people of course you know about that.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I mean I've mentioned that one Who's Who. There's a
thing called Who's Who of American women you know in
this country?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Well, I got a letter from it says it says,
dear Miss Shepherd.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
This is very hard to get in Who's Who American women.
And as a matter of fact, this is considered a
signal honor among American women. And it's because it's very
hard to get into who among American women. It's very difficult,
Miss Shepherd. And we would like to tell you right
now that our investigators have investigating your career very solidly
all the way down the line, and we have decided

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that you are up for inclusion in the next issue
of Who's Who among American Women only because of your
tremendous achievements as a woman in twentieth century civilization. Has

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anybody out there looked up on page fourteen of the
Current Life it's the April twenty sixth issue. I believe
you'll find it. And if one of you would look
it up there, would you please? No?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
I guess not.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I mean, that's pretty strong stuff for the kids there
that that mother there's that's the last of the red
hot mamas. Actually I suppose that's the referring to you.
That's a very different mother. While we're on the subject
of mother, we have with us here the paper Book Gallery.
And actually that's a wonderful place for station break, speaking
of the great mother of us all it's w O

(14:50):
r's your mother here? And that reminds me of the
time I got hooked on a pie juice. Well, we
have uh w or AM and FM New.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
York and we'll be here until midnight.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
And this is Friendly Fred here, old friendly, you know,
speaking of little Friendly I uh, I don't know. Sometimes
I wonder, I just don't know. It reminds me of
this piece that I read the other day, you know,
growing within us, each one of us. There's this little thing,

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this little bug.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I sign it, I tell it's in the air.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
You know they artists are supposed to describe what's in
the air.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, it's a funny thing in the air, a very
funny thing.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
If you find yourself recently with a with a peculiar
urge to.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
To write something on the wall, do anything like that,
or to.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
You ever find yourself standing around a party when everybody's talking,
you know, and it's going and you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
By by the game.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
People are all talking about stuff and you want to
really say something wild.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
You know, it's not even wild.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
You just want to all of a sudden insert that
one little sliver of reality and you know, speaking of reality,
just think about that today. And well, it's a hard
question to bring up on Friday night, isn't it. I mean, reality,
that's love would kill all kinds of things. Over the
diner there you have your radio going. I would be careful, but.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, I think we.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Might as well go right into it.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Reality.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Do you have any of that sweet mother music there?
Bring it up? San Francisco, A murdering, red haired Maleman
wrote a new rule in the Manual of Political Dissent yesterday.
If you can't beat city Hall flood it.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Did you hear about this?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's a guy who got bugged you know somehow hold
it they're eddy somehow.

Speaker 8 (17:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Being teed off is probably the most the most prevalent
feeling that is prevalent in the twentieth century. And nobody
quite knows what he's bugged about. It just seems like
the whole the whole thing is bugging you. And of
course we have to find scapegoats constantly for it, like
whoever you're against politically is the guy that's causing it.

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Whoever's against that, and that's it. You'll just lay it
out like that.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
But but did you read.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
About that guy in San Francisco?

Speaker 3 (17:37):
What a great moment.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Please bring up I think this time, No, the other one,
the other one this time. Drink dan, think of thing, think, think, think.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Thinking, hurry think. This is a solo to the human soul.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
A muttering, red haired Maleman wrote a new rule of
the manual pull descent yesterday. If you can't beat city
Hall flooded, I've been wanting to do this for a
long time, commented Noel Volts thirty one, after he was
finally subdued and booked at city prison.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I fought city.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Hall needed a flushing out. Entering through an unguarded revolving door,
he patrolled the empty building, and while he did it
the city hall he won. Turned down all the fire
hoses on all four halls and floors, flooding some areas
with over four inches of water, ripped down an air

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raid shelter sign, and overturned four hundred and twenty seven custodors.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Overturned a beautiful model of.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
An urban renewal project in the foyer, he wrote three
things on the base of said. Asked if he was
a critic of the current regime, he glanced at his
questioner and said, as he hurried up to the fourth
floor of an axe in his hand, you might say

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that when he was brought to bay. A city employee
at work in the second floor office heard someone try.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
To open his locked door. It was a taxation department.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
The employee investigated, saw the deluge roaring down the steps
and called police. The four officers wrestled Volt into submission
as he hung over a railing thirty feet above the
rotunda floor. Damage, unfortunately, was declared minor vaults. However, was

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booked on suspicion of burglary because there is nothing that
has anything to do with hoses in the city hall.
Patrolman Buckman side who finally pinched him, He said, she
didn't seem to be able to give us any real reason,

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just muttered something about city hall. What do you mean,
real reason, Buckman? Do you know what it is?

Speaker 3 (20:23):
There's ducking out of a dad.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Poor cloud. You know, we salute him as the American
of the week, and I like the idea of turning
on all the fire hoses because he figures it needed
a good fleshing out. I mean, his choice of words
was good. Make of that what you will, you as

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long as as long as we're going to do that.
I remember one of the few times I've ever seen
somebody really pop his cork and do it, you might say, creatively,
was this. Well I could tell you about this time
this friend of mine who had this father he had

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You know, it's funny. I don't know what people think
of other people's fathers, but generally other people's fathers are
more like fathers than your father, always going to be
the real father's.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well, this guy had a father that had blue jowls.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
He had blue jowls and little, tiny, tiny blue eyes,
you know, the kind that looked like they're sunken way in.
He was a real father. He was probably gray at
the age of eight.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
You know, that kind of guy that walks around.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
With a gray suit that's got little prickles.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
All over it.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
A real you know what I mean, You know, you
know the kind of prison And he was always heart pale.
Every time I'm over there at the house. You know
we're tom the basement of here. Hey, come on up,
and kid, go running up, falling down the stairs, running
up the stairs, banging at the door, trying to get it. Well,
every time this guy this is there are a few

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people today, I guess.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I guess Temper is almost a lost art.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I'll give you a brass big lagy with Brown's oak
leaf palm if you can identify the name of the
terrible tempered mister who who?

Speaker 3 (22:24):
All right, all right, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 7 (22:26):
Who was?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Who was the chick that he always was hanging around
with the powerful? All right? And what was there?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
What was the name? You know?

Speaker 4 (22:35):
And how do you know this?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
What what was the terrible tempered mister Blank always.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Teed off about?

Speaker 4 (22:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
No, no, no, no no. It was much more cosmic
than that. I'll never forget the time when the motorman
was asked that question in one strip by.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Another character, and the character said, what is he meant about?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
And he turned to the to the other character and
he said, well, I guess he's just mad, which I
think kind of said it, you know, he's just mad. Well,
Temper has disappeared almost completely from the scene except the
time that I remember this, this father that I knew,

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this this real father who had a red face, and
his collars were too tight, and he was always yelling
and hollering. And one day he came home with the
new car, beautiful new car. And you know, a new
car in the neighborhood in those days was a real event,
you know, I mean, a real brand new car in
the depression. And this guy, of course, I think, terrible

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tempered people always make it. Anyway, he was the only
guy in our neighborhood I knew who bought a new
car then, and so obviously his temper didn't hold him back.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Do you know that there was There was recently.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
A a a study made I think it was one
of the California universities at this mighty this might this
might in a way to fulfill some of your suspicions.
It was a psychological study made on top executives in
countries in this country, top executives and big companies throughout America,

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and they found that a large percentage of them were
distinctly neurotic in one way or another, and one of
the things that most of them had was a tremendously
overpowering temper.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Says this came from some kind of a.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Deeply based neuroticism, and their gigantic temper took them right
through the mail room when they were nineteen years old,
knocking over the mimeograph machine as they go, rushing on
their up towards the accounting department, where they landed at
the age of twenty two. Within six months, they have
knocked over all the desks and the waste baskets there,

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and they're now on their way to the sales department.
Well that's the way. This guy was tough son of
a gun. And have you ever have you ever known
somebody that you just when you were you were just
scared of You were just real scared. Oh yeah, oh
you must have just just real scared of him. And
this guy was a tough son of a gun, and
the kids were scared of him. I can remember we'd

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be out playing ball and Paul would be out at
second base, or he'd be out in the weeds, out
in the stickers, playing left field, and the door would
slam open and you'd hear bah. Let me tell you,
there was no nobody said, why is Schwartz quitting? You know,
no one says, oh, come on, come on, love her five.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
He's a ball.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And you'd hear this scuffling and this scurrying. You'd see
a cloud of dust, and this kid would be on
his way. Man, he was just like a shot, like
a bat out of hell. You know, he'd go home. Well,
one day he came home with his new car. And
up to this point he had owned a car which
was an old Ford, and now he got this beautiful

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new car. And he drove it up in the back
and I happened to be there when it came home,
because of course the kid had been been talking about
it for three days. You know, they got a new car.
Are cutting here? Well, it's getting here tonight. My father's
bringing it home from work. He's bringing the whole thing back.
It's a new car. Well, there were nine kids gathered
out in the backyard to see the new car come
up the drive and shot comes up. He also drove

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like an insane madman, which most guys who are wildly
with this gigantic temper drive ad here, the dust flies on.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
There is this big, beautiful car.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Wow, it's standing there and it's royal blue.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
We're all looking at this car.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Well, out comes the mother and he had this let
me tell you talk about the mother image. He had
this mother under his thumb.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Heat just like that.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
He says, there's supper ready. Well, she wants to look
at the new car.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
It's it got supper.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well, she turns plump and she goes she want to
look at a new car. So he's out there with
a dust cloth and he's dusting off the front and.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Glaring around at the kids and all the kids.

Speaker 9 (26:53):
He's kicking her hands off the back.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well, he's dusting the back. You know, the kids are looking.
Would also standing rode a big wide circle like this.
Here's got away and he's backing it up now and
he gets it. He gets in position, and the guy
next door comes out. I remember the guy next door
because it's a big thing in the neighborhood. Guy next
door comes out and he's standing on the back porch
and he looks out and he says, hey.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Schwartz, you got a new car.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And there's a brief pause and he says yeah, and
he goes back and he's dusting in the front of
and he's over there now he's working on the grill.
Sie and the guy's looking and everybody's looking.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
He gets into the car then.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
And he starts. He's one of those guys that never
gives a car moment's rest, you know, the kind that
guns that motor. It's hunt the car. He kicks that
thing right in the thing, you know, and he pushes down. Ooh,
and a cloud of smoke comes.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Out of the back and he drives.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
It into the garage. He pulls it into the garage
and he stops. You see, there's about fourteen inches now
protruding out beyond the back end where the doors are.
His car is too big for the garage, which he
had built one year ago for his little car.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
And there's a silence. Then he backs up again, backs out.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, the guy, this idiot is standing on the porch
next door.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
And he's a Schwartz. You're colonel fit the garage. Ha ha.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh yo yo yo YOI Missus Schwartz in the kitchen.
I can hear her, Missus Schwartz is now broken out,
and the fantastic this is the first time anybody's ever
sitting in the old man Schwartz and she's.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Breaking out in the sweat. She drops her brillo pad.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Down the sink. The whole bit you know. She hears it,
and young Schwartz standing next to me. He's white, just
white as a sheet. He knows the old man, now,
you know, you don't say things like that. Well, the
guy hollers again.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Hey, Schwartz, what's the matter your condo fit?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Ha? Ha.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Schwartz looks out and he says no. He looks at
the garage. He has just paid seven hundred and fifty
dollars for this frame garage.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
You know, which, by the way, was the.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Only garage in the neighborhood, was built specifically, you know,
it was a garage. He built it with the doors
that you know, the kind of romp you know, the
doors would pull up like that. We you know, we
had garages, but nobody had the things to go up.
He had the things with the weights and the pulleys
and the strings and everything else.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
In fact, when old man.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Schwartz wasn't home, about twenty seven kids on afternoons when
we were all alone, would play a game where we
would hang on the bottom of the doors and one
kid would push him up and everybody would hang on,
you know, and try to get folded up under the
roofe and down we'd go, you know, the whole bit.
It was a big thing. See that's garage, a very
special garage. Remember that it was a garage painted white
with a little green trim. So so Schwartz looks at

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the garage. He gets into his new car, and at
that moment I saw one of the great moves against
city Hall. The guy on the porch is looking down
a third remark, don't fit. Huh, You're gonna have to
get it fixed. Huh Schwartz. He starts the car, he
puts it in first, he goes right into the garage.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Remember the car has nine miles on it.

Speaker 10 (30:04):
Oh, by George, you know what I found out?

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Then? That car fit that garage. Schwartz proved it. And
I want to tell you this.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
That son of a gun was a vice president of
one of the biggest outfits in the entire Northern Indiana region.
And at that moment I learned about leadership. Oh yo o,
I was well the thing, you know, he he swung

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the back into the garage attletra. It was a funny thing.
From that day on. That garage not only had had
a side door, it had swinging doors that went up.
It had a strange looking scoop at the bottom. He
just pushed the back end of that garage out about
fourteen and a half inches, just enough to clear the
back bumper.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It swung just like that. Well, you know, I mean
you can't you can't push things.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I mean, you know, I mean there are sometimes I believe,
like who was it wasn't it? Dale Carnegie says, you
get ahead on a friendly smile, and it's much better
to lead people them to push them. Wells Chorte didn't
exactly push him.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
What he did was hit him more.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I mean, it's a difference between a push and a belt.
And oh yes, I'll never forget the picture. Speaking of
great executive, do you remember the picture of the great executive?
A famous picture of him being carried out of his
plant with twos so came.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
I remember that sitting in a swivel chair. Do you
remember that picture?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, it always reminded me of Schwartz because I remember
a couple of old what twenty seven semesters later, I
got a job as an office boy in this giant
steel mill where this guy happened to be a vice president.
And it was a funny thing, you know, it's it's
a very funny thing.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
To work in the.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Office with the father of a good friend of yours.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
You know how you know what I'm saying. It's a very,
very picure.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Because up to this point I had just been, you know,
the friend of this kid, and I could always run home.
And you know, when the yelling ready got up to,
you know, a big crescendo, I was on at the back.
I was running to the cabbage patcheant down the alley
forget it.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
You know, I get home sweating.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well, I got this job as a male boy. You know,
when you run around different offices, you carry a big
thing full of mail. Well, I never associated him with
reedy working in a place. You know, I knew he
was a big guy, but I never associated And it
says there was his name on this mail I had
to go to this office.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Well, I arrived up at this.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Office and there's a lot of scared looking girls sitting
around at typewriters and things.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
And I arrive and I.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Throw the mail down on the desk, and the girl says,
don't ever throw the mail on the desk like that.
Mister Schwartz does not like people to throw the mail
on the desk. Well, I didn't think of mister Schwartz.
You know that kind of mister Schwartz. So I says, okay, baby,
how'd I go? And about fifteen minutes later, I'm back
on my round. The guy go running a whoop and
it goes to mail. But this time there was a

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guy I could see the back.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
There was a guy over by the water. I throw
the mail.

Speaker 9 (33:38):
He turns around, he says, oh that male.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Oh it is the mister Schwartz.

Speaker 9 (33:48):
Hey, kid, you throw the mail.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
It's mister Schwartz.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
He looked at me. He recognized me as the kid
that was always playing second base with his son, you know,
the kid who was out in the backyard. He says,
don't ever throw them out. Yes, yes, mister Swart, close
the door when you go out, and don't swam it.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
I close the door.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
And you know, after that day it was the friendship
that I had for his son.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
It was very different.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
After that day.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I could never quite it was like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's like it's you know how some brothers don't ever
quite make it with each other, whereas friends will. All
of a sudden, I became this guy's brother or something.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I never could. And you know, we're just kids. That
was like sixteen or seventeen.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
It was in the summer, and I'd see this other
guy and it was a funny thing. He'd say, say,
Dad says he saw you at the plant. So yeah,
uh that's right, that's right. You're going down to the
show tonight. Yeah, yeah, I'm going on the show tonight.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Oh. I was gonna go, but I don't think i'll go.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I thought I see that picture. It was a very
strange thing. I don't know how to explain it, except
that that was where it was. And every day I
would commit and see Schwartz, I commit that with a
mail done. And for some reason, or maybe it's because
he knew me, it was like it must be. I
suppose there's two ways that father types can take it

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when their son works in the plant. And I wasn't
his son. You say it, Oh, I guess he looked
upon all kids as kids, and he had a kid.
Their kids, kids up, my kids, shut up, get out
of there. God can lay your hands on that car. Well,
ye shut up. I remember one time when when when
Schwartz and I were late for school one morning, and

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this mad man took us to school and we sat
in the back seat, and of course he always drove
like he was out of his skull and was shoo,
we're going, and we'd go past cars and you go away,
We're going. And you know, cops, I mean, this guy
was a was a vice bresident. You know, he didn't
mess around with people. And we could turn along and

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I'm sitting in the back and Schwartz is sitting in
the back, and you know how kids are. Once in
a while, we started and Schwartz belts me in the
elbow and I belt him, and finally I belt him.
In the short ride we're giggling and hollering, hitting each
other where about you know, we're about nine or ten
or twelve hours old.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
We're hitting each other and Schwartz turns.

Speaker 9 (36:38):
Around and says, sit still.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Pallia, Wow.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I mean, I mean, you know, I mean this this
was official. I mean, this was an official father, you know.
And and we're sitting back there like that and.

Speaker 9 (36:51):
We're whistling through the ride away.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, we arrive up in front of the school and
short stops the car.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
I never saw anybody. You know, this guy, this guy
could start.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
He had you know, there's one thing about the real
executive types.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
They got foot.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Power, they got elbow power, they got head power ed,
they got sharp knees. That everything makes the scene with him,
you know. So we we stopped. He reaches over in
the back. He opens the door, slams.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
It open, and says, get out.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
We both came out. You know, this is you know,
it's amazing that some people live like this.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Get out. We get out, and.

Speaker 9 (37:30):
He says, and don't be late when you're coming home.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Paul meeting me too.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
You know, he's not gonna you know, he's not gonna
let me get away with then we're going up there
with our lunch, you know, and there's about five hundred
kids standing around there, you know, waiting. He closes the door,
he starts to go, he stops again, and he says.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Hey, Schwartz turns are when we both.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Go back to the car.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
You know, you got a time for lunch. A time
for lunch.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
They had a seven cent blue special that the cafeteria
consisted of wet noodles with that that plastic gravy they
make out a paste or something.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
You know. That was the worst thing you could eat
down there.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
And Schwartz always tried to hide that he was you know,
you gotta die for lunch. This guy was so it
was none. Yes, it's okay, where he goes. Let's get
on with the commercials here. Speaking of the mother of us.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
All we have with us the paper Book Gallery, which.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is down on three ninety nine sixth Avenue, just off
Ah Street in the village. And if you're going to
come into the village over the weekend, Heaven help you.
If you're gonna make the scene, I certainly would suggest
that you stopped by the paper book Gallery. This is
the last time, the last day up through Sunday that
they're going to have this wild, insane record thing that

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they've got going. And look, therefore, twenty four cents a piece,
what can you lose? And for a listener to that
tool for forty four or is it forty eight forty
eight cents, it's ridiculous, six for one dollar if you're
a listener.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
So tell him you're a.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Listener, and he'll just shove a whole bunch of records
in your hand and say, go man, it's a paper
book gallery on sixth Avenue.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
It's the only play.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now that there's only one paper book gallery. Three ninety
nine six it's next to the Howard Johnson's down there,
just off.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
A street in the village.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Okay, fine, I don't know. I don't know whether I
should tell any more stories about the terrible tempered mister
mister Well, I'll tell you one more thing he did.
The thing that really bothered me about him, that really
I could not put together at that time. But the

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thing now which really does frighten me in so many ways,
is this man was the most deeply religious man I've
ever known.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Now, doesn't that scare you? He really was.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And as a matter of fact, he was famous as
a as a lay.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Preacher in the church that he belonged to.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
And I remember, I remember once in a great while,
because of one exigency or another, I would arrive on
Sunday with this kid, you know, the kid, and we
would we would file into the congregation and his father
would be preaching, and he would be up there in

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front with his tight collar, with his red face, with
those eyes. And he was the kind of guy, you know,
As I said, he had this kind of iron gray hair.
He was like an iron gray light. And he would
stand up there and he would look down at the
congregation and it's it's wild to see an entire congregation
of adults, kids and everything all of a sudden become
seven and they're all sitting there, and he would look

(40:58):
down with those with those steel MIBs that he used
for eyes, you know, the kind of the steels he's He
looks down there and he would say today's text is
about lap, and everybody would look up, and then he
would he would start out and he would.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
He would have He was the kind of guy you see.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Who completely dominated board meetings. There was no fool on
a round. And I'll never forget one time when he
got off on the subject of unions. His department was
the only department in the entire mill that was not
only scared to join a union, they were even scared
to wear union suits, you know, the kind of button

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in the.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Back, long winter underwear.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
They were so scared. He was that kind Well, I
remember sitting in the congregation and he's looking down at
us and he says, today's text is about lap, and
there's a long, pregnant silence. We you know, we want
to see what he's going to say about love. It's
a pretty interesting subject right there. He'd say, love is beauty.

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And as we look about us and see all the beauties,
as we look at the forests and the birds, and
all the lovely children playing in the park, those Christian
people among us feel the love which is the love
of all of us, and the love of God.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Love is beauty.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
And now we will all sing number one sixty three
from the book Rockavigers cleve for me. Well, I'll tell
you this guy. Everybody would stand up and they'd start singing.
You see, he didn't wait for the piano player. I mean,
there's no such things as an accompaniment.

Speaker 9 (42:52):
With this guy, Rockavigers, clear of her, I will love
and he bellow it out, and the piano plays.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Hung at the tongue, and.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Everybody's trying to sing, try to keep up with them.
And of course, like most dynamic, terrible tempered mister bang types,
he had absolutely no sense of rhythm, He had no
sense of music. He had solid lead ears and all
all the imagination to go with it. Well, he would
finish this thing, and I'm sitting there watching this this.

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You know, this, to me, for a long time was
what religion represented.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
It really was a god like this.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
And he would say, and now the ushers will move forward,
and we will take the offering. You never saw such
shelling out in your life.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
If there was anyone who ever did the lord's worth
and the Lord's work, it was this man. Those two
great big shine steel mibsies.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Looking down at you.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
The ushers would leap out of their seats, their pews.
They would rush forward with the baskets, and he would
give one glare. They would turn, and those guys weren't collected.
They were doing more than collected. I'll tell you that
they were wrenching it out of people. They were rigging
it out of them. And they would pass that thing,
and Schwartz would watch each basket as it went. He

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would stand up there, watch them baskets, and each guy
would reach into his pocket and would dump it in,
and he would watch.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Beauty is love and love is beauty.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
Amen, rackabageus, claw with bere oh my love, pop with
the rockabgeus claw with me. Beauty is love and love
is proof. And now we were all children the wild forward,
and we will go downstairs for the specials. Honey school us.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And let me tell you those kids, you'd hear creaking
the knees and those kids would line up and they
would pooh hool and old gods pulling balls up there
in that heaven roll, and there was another ten strike
for good.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
This is wr Radio.

Speaker 11 (45:18):
Night at ten pm presents live from the elegant New
Americana Hotel, the event that Broadway has been waiting for
all season, the annual Tony Awards. Don't miss the Tony
Awards Sunday night, ten pm on WRTV Channel nine. I'll
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(45:41):
in New York at midnight.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
From August twenty ninth, nineteen sixty three. The program was
on tape last night because Sheppard participated in the day's
march on Washington, DC. He describes the bus ride, the
civil Rights demonstration and the people who attended. He describes
the speech by Martin Luther King as brilliant.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
Un.

Speaker 12 (47:59):
Ni forever blowing bubbles, prety bubbles in the air.

Speaker 8 (48:09):
They fly so high, nearly meet the sky.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Then, like my.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Dreams, they fade and die.

Speaker 12 (48:33):
I'm forever blowing bubbles, frety bubbles in the air.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
My friends cut out, people are these I don't understand
the dream cry h for Ember blowing.

Speaker 12 (49:03):
Bubbles, breay bubbles in their.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
Oh they fly so high nearly weak the sky there
like my ms.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Man blood.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
It's all right, don't you understand? I mean, each man,
within his own little way, in.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
His own small orbit that he spins.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Has somewhere inside. And I'm for a very blowing bubbles.

Speaker 12 (50:03):
Oh what great lyrics, all pretty bubbles in the area.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
As I know, you know, speaking of dreams.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
For those of you who wondered what happened last night,
that was another story. I was on tape last night,
which isn't very often, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Speaking of being on tape, I have a vague.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Just a vague suspicion that almost all of us have
a terrible desire to have our life taped, so that
we could be on tape and.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Be somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
And by the way, by being on tape, we could
also be edited so that all the dull parts are
cut out, all the meaningless parts are cut out. You know,
you know what I mean, meaning was walking around scratching
and spilling coffee and arguing and flubbing around. You know,

(51:07):
you know you know what I mean by life just
fooling a rye. You know how it goes quietly. If
all that stuff was cut out, that was put into beautiful,
clean cut scenes. You know what I mean, just at
that right problem, precise moment, you come out with a crusher,
turn on your.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Heel, blackout, pow, blackout.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
And then the next scene walking into the office with
a beautiful look in the eye to kind of look
thet Gregory pat pits.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
And he's about to.

Speaker 7 (51:33):
Take out the natives.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Gregory Peck walks in. No you you see Gregory.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
And or slash you a few quick, beautiful comments. The
girl looks at you with great admiring eyes. You turned,
crush out a cigarette next to the water were and
stride into the automatic elegrator.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Cut, blackout, pow.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Your life added. You don't spend any time in those
pictures down at the tailors or cleaners, the automatic laundry,
or waiting in line for a bus or you know
of that jazz. You know, speaking of dreams and being
on tape. The reason I was on tape last night
was because I was one of the marchers in the

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big Washington demonstration yesterday.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
And this this experience.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Was probably one of the two or three most intrigue
I I I the words are very difficult to use here.
This experience was undoubtedly one of the most Such a
word as interesting does not really mean much in this case.
To use the word significant doesn't mean much either, because
significant of want.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Let's just say it was one of the two or
three most difficult to essay way put into prospective days
that I have ever experience of my life. One of
the two or three days, the closest day that I
can think of in my experience was.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
V Day.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Or maybe even VJ Day to the tenor the tone,
the quality of what went on, and the way the
people were.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I went down on this thing very specifically as just
a marcher, just one of the people in a delegation,
because I have learned through long experience and hard experience,
that the only real way that you ever get to
have even a vague understanding about events is by if

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you can possibly be part of or in a large group,
or in the group, or be in with the people
to whom the event is occurring. I wonder just how
much a newsman ever learns about anything standing up on
the platform.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I'm curious. I listened to a lot.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Of jazz yesterday from the newsmen, and almost all of
them were up on the platform.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
They were in the news section.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Which was very very very much roped off from the
great herd of people who walked along the streets, the
great multitude who gathered under the trees, and who pushed
up through past the Koch stands and finally stood in
front of the Lincoln Memorial. I didn't see many newsmen
in that crowd. In fact, I don't recall seeing one

(54:34):
newsman in that crowd. Another thing that I found very
interesting was, well, you know, so many things happened that
I'm at a loss. One thing going down on the
bus we left forty seventh Street.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I rode on a bus.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
With maybe two hundred thousand other people, all riding on
buses towards Washington.

Speaker 8 (54:57):
D C.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
And one of the great things that happened was, oh,
not more than fifteen or twenty minutes after we got
on the road with the bus, other buses started to
pass us in the darkness. We had a very old,
terrible bus. And you know, I'll tell you, have you
ever ridden on a bus, a crosstown bus all the

(55:22):
way to Washington. I'm serious, A lot of people did.
The bus that was with us was a crosstown bus.
They just took the crosstown sign out and everybody sat
on those plastic seats and went all the way to
Washington and back. And I mean there wasn't an available
ech in those buses that was not used, lunches, and

(55:43):
there was all kinds of stuff, you know, just stuff
to sit on and fans to wipe the sweat off
your brown hot old boy. Well we went, we started out.
It was just a fantastic experience, It's all I can say.
It was a fantasy in so many ways. There are
few occasions when your lifetime when you are reminded of

(56:03):
the fact of how diverse humanity really is.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
On the one hand, they.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Are capable of the most incredible humanity. I hate to
use such a word as humanity apply to human beings,
but I say that probably only a squirrel was capable
of humanity in his attitude towards people. But they are
capable of things which you could not believe after having
lived in an urban world in the twentieth century. And

(56:32):
of course they're capable of the other. And you keep
seeing the others superimposed in your own mind, the other,
you know what I mean by the other. But let
me say we were out on the road not more
than oh maybe twenty minutes, and people were in a
strange mood to begin with. I thought, at first being
thinking about this thing for weeks in advance. I had

(56:53):
thought about it. I had talked with guys who were
planning to go and arranging this thing, that I had
had all kinds of ideas in my mind about the
way it would be, just like all of us have
ideas in our head about how history is. I'm sure
you have ideas about how it must have been like
to be in Germany in the twenties. Well, it was

(57:14):
not the way you think it was. I'm sure you
probably thought. You have ideas of how it must have
been like at the time Washington was crossing the Delaware
forget it was. It wasn't the way you think it was.
I was not there. I just know one thing. It
wasn't the way you think it was. And I have
found that very few things are the way you think

(57:34):
they are. I said that in caps Nigeria. I spent
little time in Nigeria. It isn't the way you think
it is. Let me tell you one thing about Nigeria
I'd like to do some shows on Nigeria. Again again
an almost incredible friendliness that you find this so the

(57:54):
people in Nigeria incredible, so much so that you're on
your guard immediately. It's funny thing about people. They're never
on their guard when they are being taken apart. In short,
when we meet the unfriend, they were not only not
on our guard, we are expecting it and we accept
that as the norm. The other were worried about. Well,

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let me say one of the great moments was to
be riding along in this bus in the sort of semidary.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
It's getting me dawned.

Speaker 7 (58:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Everybody's feeling rotten and tired, and there's a wild, sort
of peculiar excitement of the unknown. No one knew quite
what to expect and what was I thought quite significant.
No one even talked about the event to which we
were going. Now that I think is interesting. I waited,
I listened, I listened carefully. Nobody said a word about it.

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They talked about the bus. They talked about the sun
out there, They talked about the dawn coming up. They
talked about the lunch they were carrying. They talked about
their shoes hurting, They talked about everything it was as
though nobody wanted to talk about where we were going
and why, and particularly the people who were really deeply

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involved in it.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
The Negroes we had with us, I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Say right off hand, some of the greatest people I've
ever known in my life. Well, that's another story. It
goes back to Nigeria and other areas of life and existence,
and we can't go into that. But driving along through
the darkness in the morning, when the sun is coming
up over the edges of the horizon, we're whistling along
that turnpike and the bus had a governor on it.

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We crosstown buses due, you know, and this bus had
a governor, and it had a fat crosstown bus driver
driving it, and he was hollering, you know, for transfers
and stuff all the way and he just just normally,
you know, and he was ducking imaginary calves all the
way up there and so on.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
But we're going along the Jersey.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Turnpike and we weren't out on the turnpike more than
five minutes when other buses started to pass us in
the darkness. The peculiar rapport between the buses was insane
that our bus is lumbling.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
You know, it's obvious that you're not going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
To see a crosstown bus out on the Jersey Turnpike
heading south unless there's something going. You know, this bus
was just not the bus headed for Paramus. Well, we're
going along there and in the darkness, you she who
a bus would go pass, and instantly you'd see all
these hands out the window waving at our bus. Our
bus is waving at them. Great moment, And after a

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while you got so that it was just just normal.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
A train went past us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
At one point there was a train when we got down,
passed off the Jersey Turnpike and over past Philadelphia and
on through Delaware. We were skirting a railroad track and
a train went past with the maybe eight or nine
or ten cars loaded to the gunwales with people, and
the whole train was waving at our bus, and we're

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waving at the train, and the crew was waving out
of the front of the front the locomotive. I'm just
describing to you what exactly happened. Well, we arrived on
the outskirts of Washington, by the way, this is worm
at FM New York, and everybody was a little Now
they begin to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Wow, I bet we're.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Going to be late.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
They never once talked about the event even when we
got there. Wow, I bet we're going to be late. Boy,
what a traffic camp this is going to be. It's
gonna be a terrible traffic cam. Well, I must say parenthetically,
I have never in my life, including several big operations
in the Army, including a lot of organization I've seen
in various other armed services and great events that happened

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in other cities, I've never seen anything like the way
the city of Washington handle this thing. Absolutely, it'll be
I imagine in the end this is going to be
a picture book classic among control and preparation for a
vast event. Fantastic. And not only that, this is another thing.

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Every last man that I saw involved in this situation,
the police, the MPs, the Red Cross people were in
the most wildly great holiday mood. You just don't expect
it from officials, you know, cops waving and hollering at
you and the whole business. Everybody cheering and you coming. Well,
we came into Washington. I don't know how much of

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this has been reported. I haven't seen much of it
reported in the press. Well, I think because very few reporters.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Came in as a marcher.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (01:02:34):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
They went in days before, stayed at the hotel, and
that morning they took the big cab down to the
Washington Monument or they took the cab down to the
Lincoln Memorial and sat behind the ropes and started a report.
Oh boy, no wonder history. The point is always missed
about what happens. I'll tell you, well, we came into
the city and one of the moments I will never

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in my life forget.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
I just won't. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
It was coming into the outskirts of Washington in this bus.
A lot of people tired. Boy have you ever ridden
six hours on a crosstown bus?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
And that seat is like a rock and we're sweating
and the sun is beating down. And we arrived in
Washington and the police met the bus immediately. All the
buses were lined up for blocks. They stopped them at
the outskirts of Washington and they took groups of six
with a police escort to the proper place where they
were to go. Each group of six buses was assigned.

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The place was fantastic and there was a cop waiting
there with a white helmet. He took you in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
All right, let's go, now, come on, and we went.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
And what was intriguing was to find slowly everybody in
the bus is beginning to thaw. Up to this point.
They'd expected, you know, the people, official, dum and all that,
and they found that the official of them was as
much on their side as anybody. Everybody's going on, let's go.
We took off. We're riding along one of the main

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one of the main streets through the slums by the
way of Washington, and here were here were hundreds of
people on the steps, little old ladies, grandma's, skinny kids,
tough looking guys who worked this garage, mechanics, nuns. Everywhere
we went they're sitting on the porch waving with the
greatest not the kind of waving that says, go on

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in and give them hell, just but a strange happy,
we're glad you're here, waving and g you know, hi,
how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Just unbelievable feeling all the way through, and they're all
out there on the steps and streets waving, and everybody
in the bus, of course, is waving. And we finally
arrived down at the place where we're parked. And this
this was was a strange moment. We arrived at the
place where we're parking thousands of buses, and you know,
we're all confused, and they took us a couple of

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times around the block, and finally we arrived on the
side street at twentieth in E wherever the devil that is.
And we arrived at twentieth and E and we're parked,
and we get out and every everybody is stiff. Oh boy,
everybody was stiff. You know, we'd stopped a couple of
times at gas stations on the way down. Everybody's sort
of walking around stiff legged, bent over sideways, you know,

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and the back of your neck was hurting. And immediately,
about forty five people instantly had to go to the
giant immediately, which is always what happens when everybody gets
off of the bus. We sort of walked around and
somebody says, well, let's go to that building over there.
There was a big, gray, official looking building standing to
our right, just a very official building. And people started
to go down into the driveway of this official building

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that had big trucks, just ordinary trucks, and guys working
in there. They were not connected with with the demonstration,
and they just too building working, you see, And the
instant the people started to show up, it was a
wild moment. They're escorting everybody in to where they can
get water. Do you want any coffee?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
They're cheering you how to come on?

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Walk through there. And we went in and everybody is
getting water and we came back out. It was a
very odd experience to have people reading concerned about you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
They really were worried.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
They were saying, gee, do you want to sit down?
You want to how about some coffee? Hey, get some coffee.
They were all and they were just in a building
where we walked out and then out on the street.
We started to go to the to the area where
we were all going to assemble. We were all going
to assemble where our group was. Our group was to
go through and to march down. I don't even remember

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the streets they marched down. But it was not at
all the way I would have imagined or have imagined
a demonstration or any of this kind of thing to
be like everybody's very You're walking on the street and
it's like you are suddenly with a million old friends.
It was like a family reunion, a strange feeling of

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and there wasn't one moment that was phony at all
about it. I had people step on my foot and say, oh,
for heaven's sakes, excuse me. I had a man. I
had a man standing in front of me when there
was a big thing going on it says, can you
see now?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
And one of the great when we walked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Through the grove of trees and we start to walk
along the street, I met a lot of old friends.
And what really intrigued me was the number of people
who didn't come.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I will not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Mention that, but I sure was amazed by the absence
of many people who I'd heard do a lot of
talking prior to this moment, and they just weren't there.
And a lot of people who never said a word
are there. That's what really was very intriguing. You know,
you never can tell who the people are in any world.
I don't care what world. It is, a football game,

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whether you're whether you're whether you're playing cards, whether you
need money, you sure can't tell who it's going to be,
who's going to come across. Let me tell you that.
Any old gi will tell you that story that there
are a lot of awful tough commandos in basic training.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
There are a lot of guys that can.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Go up those fences like man, and there are a
lot of men who can shout commands and a lot
of It's an interesting thing who it is who comes
across when the real stuff is flying in the air
every reason and triggering. Well, we're walking along. You never
can tell them either. Don't think for a minute you
know who it would be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
You do not know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I'm sorry you don't. You don't know who your friends are.
You don't know who your enemies are. But we're walking
along the street and everybody's together. And one more thing
has to be pointed out. A man told me just
when we were walking, and he was a Negro by
the way, and an old friend of mine. He says,
you know, he says, I wish my cousin, who lives

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in Paris could see this could be part of this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
He would never.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Understand it, though, he says, this is a purely American thing.
He says. The headlines, he says, you know, you read
a headline about another country, you don't understand it because
you're not Vietnamese. You know, you just don't know, you
just don't know what is happening in Belgium because.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
You're not Belgian.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
You know, it's very difficult to know, and it is
very difficult for a European to understand this. I'm sure
it is. And so we're walking along and everybody's sort
of standing along the sidelines waving. There are thousands and
thousands of white people and colored people.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Everybody's just standing there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Guys in offices are cheering up and waving. Nobody reported
on this that all along the line of march, guys
are standing in offices waving. And I want to go
one on records saying beforehand, during the entire day, I
did not hear one word that I could construe as
being the kind of word that you would hear in demonstrations.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
I did not see one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Moment that I could call a moment that gave me
one even instant feeling of imminent rebel rousing or any
of this stuff. It was just an amazing attitude towards everything.
And you know, I hate to use such words as love.
These are ridiculous, meaningless words. But there was a feeling
of humanity in the air, like we're all in something together.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
And that's exactly what happened, even the guys.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Who I'm sure there must have been some guys in
the offices and that who felt the opposite way and
suddenly realized how idiotic they were. You know. It was
just a strange moment. And we walked along through this
crowd and everybody's standing there waving and so on, and
we finally got it was funny that when we started advice,

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you never saw a more disorganized messing around slewfling. We
get to the place where it wasn't a parade, you know.
I'm sure it's going to sound like a parade, you know,
but nobody was hollering whaters, You're like you, nobody's yelling.
Not the ever started walking. All of a sudden, it's
coming down. Everybody's cheering, waving, and it was as though
everybody knew you know that. And also there's a vagueeling

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of embarrassment in the air. It's just a vague feeling
that that, you know. It was like somebody has laid
in a stock of all kinds of stuff. He's gonna
yell at his friend, and he's gonna yell, He's gonna holler,
and he gets there, and you know, it's all goes
out the window. So I'm embarrassed, and so we're walking along.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
We get to the park where the Lincoln memorials.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Incidentally, I once again it reaffirms in my mind one
of the most beautiful cities I've ever been in is Washington.
I keep seeing this as a beautiful city, and it's
even prettier than it used to be. I went to
school for a while near there and used to spend
weekends in Washington's changed.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
A great deal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
And we were coming through and the sun is coming
down through the trees and millions of people are now gathering.
And I don't know how they could estimate the number
of people were there. I just don't understand how they
come up with these nice, neat round estimates. Again, this
is the reporter at work. He's sitting up there watching them.
I have been writing down and I'm sure we're going

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to take some guy's attitude or his quick decision on
who it is, and no doubt it's going to be
the most authoritative newspapers version of who's you know, of
how many guesses, there would be no way to estimate it.
I have no idea how they ever came across estimating
because buses were coming in from all directions everywhere, people
were everywhere, and and it was just.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Like a great big round.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Just a sort of a big cloud. It was about
as difficult as to tell how big a cloud is
or how many drops are in this just sort of
a big thing. And we walked through and then the
push started to get rough, and up there on the
Washington or the Lincoln Memorial, the crowd was gathered and

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we were pushed down into the crowd, and each place
you see, each delegation, if you can call it, that
had a little place where it was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Of course it wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
It was that we went out the window with the cloud,
and everybody's trying to get it there, walking over with
their little signs and stuff. And suddenly through the crowd
is this little tiny band of people coming with a
little sign that' said Mississippi. That was really a moment,
I'll tell you that was a moment. And everybody is

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hollering at him and talking and they're laughing and hollering.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
It was kind of like a joke, Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
It's kind of funny, and they're laughing and they're talking. Incidentally,
I must go on record as saying too, in that
Mississippi group there were more than just a few white
people that should be pointed out. And they're laughing, and
everybody's laughing. They got their little science at Mississippi, and
people are hitting them on the back when they walked through.
They come all the way up on some crumby old bus,

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you know, or something. So they're there and they're standing
around there, well, in the middle of a ball It's
the greatest crowd I've ever been in my life. I'll
tell you, I just never It's a much greater crowd
than you ever see at a ball game, which is supposed
to be a fun thing. You know, Oh, much greater,
much more, much, much different thing. If you think you
know about crowds, you don't know about it unless.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
You've been in this one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
In fact, a lady said to me, a colored lady
was standing next to me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
We're talking for an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
About this, and she says, you know, I just she says,
you can't tell the folks. You just cannot tell him
how it was. I don't know how I'm going to
tell him how it was at home, because you can't
tell him how it was unless you were here, and
then if you if you were here, you don't have
to be told, you know, And that's exactly the truth.
And you know, she said one great line, she says,
you know, I think even Satan was moved today, not

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a line. I could see Satan feeling very, very embarrassed
about all the rottenness he's been known for years. Now
I'm thinking about, oh boy, I'm a rotten person. Well, well,
we're all standing or out in this great crowd, and
this this it's going to sound like I invented this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Please listen careful. This is exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
There was a man standing back of me that had
a big white panama hat on, and he, like so
many of the demonstrators, it was obvious that this was
a very big moment for him, and he was all
dressed up. So many of them were all all almost
all the people. Did you know that that's an interesting
thing that our delegation was told to wear a jacket,

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was told to wear a tie, white shirt, and I mean,
because this is this is the thing we're going to
that's very important, and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
So everybody was all dressed up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
It was funny to see. As we came into Washington,
all the guys putting their jackets on, and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
A hot old boy was at hot on the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Putting their ties on, you, trying to straighten up their
collar and everything else, because you know, we're going to think.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Somebody said it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Was like going to church with two hundred thousand people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
That's really what it was like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Well, standing back of me was a man, great guy,
and he was sort of a little short stoupman, sweating
like man, and he had reymless glasses, and his rimless
glasses were all clouded up because he was sweating, and
everybody was pushing him, and he had his little signs
and the sign said NAACP Boston Branch and he's and

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he's holding up to stay. You know, it's a long
way from Boston, believe me, to Washington and the bus,
so he's holding that sign up there. And then Marion
Anderson started to sing the Star Spangled banner, and the
push was so fantastic you couldn't hardly you could see
nothing except those great white columns of the Lincoln Memorials.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Standing over you and back of you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
All the way in the distance you could see the
Washington monument standing up in that long pond. You saw
that picture in the paper today, Well, I want to
tell you that picture does not even come close to
even approximating what it was really like. How beautiful that
sky was fantastic, the clouds were white, and that great

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beautiful reflection of the Washington Monument laying across that water,
and all those people sitting there with their clothes on,
all dressed up, old ladies with flowered hats and everybody else,
and the kids all shined allby sitting and it was
just a moment where everybody's like all dressed up and
everything was working fine. The trees were fine, the breeze
was blowing, and once in a while a great big

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airplane would come across, going to the Washington air Port
there and he'd have his flaps down, and it was
just like somehow everything was.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Was there, it was all right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Well, this little fat man standing back of me's sweating
profusely and he's folding up his sign and Marian Anderson
started to sing the Star Spangled banner, and it was
you know, it's the usual kind of star spangled banner
where it's through a pa system and we're so far away.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
We could hurd the are, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
And she's singing. It couldn't even distinguish the words, but
it was the star spangled banner. Everybody's standing there, and
suddenly a lady about oh maybe five or six feet away,
a lady with a colored a big red colored hat
on with big white flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
The official kind of lady.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
You know what I mean by the club lady who's
always organizing, Say, this is a very club lady type.
And she's a big colored lady. And she starts to say, well,
a booklyn Cor representatives, please assemble over air, Please get
over their booklyn Car representatives. And she's hollering in the
middle of the star spangled banner. Well, the guy behind

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me says, madam, madam.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
And she looks at him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
What he says, they're singing the star Spangled banner. We
usually are quiet during the singing of the star Spangled banner. Please,
they're singing the star Spangled banner. Well, she sat just
a funny look on her face for a minute, and
she turns. Of course, the real organizer is not ever
put off by anything such is so trivial as feelings
or emotions. Well, she looked at him for a moment,

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and she turned and he stood there sweating with his
hat off, and they're singing the Star Spangled Banner for
a minute. What a fantastic moment. And don't anyone call
up and say, uncle Tom, stop it. Man, Oh you
know not whereof you speak. Well, we were standing down
that crowd and it was just hot and sweating, and

(01:18:53):
then they begin to bring on one entertainer after the other. Well,
this was the entertainment for the real thing. And in
the middle of it all they brought our delegation. Somebody
decided to bring our delegation up, and they pulled our
delegation around and brought it up up to the front
through the rope somehow, because every place had its own
place to be. And they found that we were in

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our wrong place. We were between the plumbers and the
concrete workers and a Catholic local from Baltimore. I don't
know how we got there. So we went up in
the right place and we're standing there and suddenly I
got a new perspective on it because I'm looking at
it from a very different direction, and I could see
all the newsmen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
They're very official. Roped off. You couldn't get near them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Fascinating, and they're going to report on it. And I
suddenly see all these official showbiz types frantically running around
getting photographed, and somehow I had that was the one
discordant moment that I had in my own mind.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I didn't see any of these great.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
You know, these people who got their pictures in all
the New York Times, all the papers. I didn't see
one of those guys March. I'm sorry. I didn't see
any of them do any of the stuff that all
the poor little people who.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Went down there to do did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
And they're up there signing autographs, and they're frantically standing
in the way of newsreel cameras and getting their pictures
taken signing autographs. Is though somehow they vaguely were responsible
for goodness, you know, they've come to put official stamp
on goodness in the world. And everybody was watching them.
They're signing autographs, and all the while while they're signing autographs,

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Martin Luther King is giving his talk, which was a
brilliant speech by the way, Martin Luther King is speaking,
and these guys are standing around signing autographs, and the
newsreel cameramen are taking their pictures, and all the while
mister King was giving a brilliant speech. Well, I somehow
I felt this was just one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
And what's so strange is not many of these guys
that I saw up there were really and even some
of the people who were in.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
A sense you might say.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Well, a couple of Negro authors and a lot of
real hard hitting, angry types were up there, and it
was as though all of show business had gathered and
they were autographing each other and loving each other and
taking pictures with each other, and all the while the
real people were sitting down in the great crowd, eating
fried chicken and really digging each other for the first
time probably in certainly in a couple of hundred years

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in America, and for one of the rare times.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
In the world.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
I might also feel this is true, nothing to do
with American chauvinism. But it just happened that it was
one of those days. And up there you see business
as usual with the celebs. Oh boy, And if I
had seen a couple of those guys marching, I would
feel better about it, But I didn't see many of

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them do it. If they had been there without any name,
without any one. Guy I saw, and I will remember this.
I saw him, a famous American author, sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
In a bush.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
And yet in a bush.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
He was not out there autographing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
He wasn't up on the Washington Monument getting cheered or
anything like that with.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
The other guys.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
And I'm going through the bush and there he's sitting
there and he says, hey, shep, and he made a
couple of comments. He says, bow and a rotten beard.
And I said yeah, And I said, what are you
doing here? And he's sitting in the bush, in a bush, drinking,
drinking a coke and he's just sitting down there, digging it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
And I'm sure that in.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
The end this guy will know a lot more about
what went on than those clowns who were up there
on that great, big platform. And I'm not trying to
put him down. It was just somehow it was it
was wrong, you know, somehow I felt very very that
was wrong. And then I learned something about this one
of the guys. This is an interesting thing, one of
the guys who organized the group that I was in.

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It's funny how you quickly can tell the honest from
the dishonest when when the chips are down, the guy
who would organize it, he's working like mad and for
weeks he getting the thing, He gets us there, and
he's shepherding the group around. It's really tough. And he
was so concerned with shepherding us around there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
He was an actor by the way that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
When he finally got us in position, the gates had
locked and he didn't get in. And who do you think?
And there is this woman who is not even involved
far as I know, in organizing all that. Her pictures
are the ones that are in all the papers about it.
You know, she's in front of every sign, you know, waving.
And the guy who really was doing something, he's not
anywhere near there. No one even saw him during the

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whole thing. He was out there, probably trying to get
cokes for guys that faded, you know that kind of thing. Well,
the whole thing was I thought a tremendously to me
personally greatly, a really genuine education. And I've been involved
with this sort of thing for a long time. I've

(01:23:54):
appeared on many programs off and on. That's one of
the things that always bothers me is to find myself
on a program with nine showbiz types who are trying
out new material. You know, can you imagine trying out
new material and human events? Oh boy?

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
And I've always felt a little sick about it. But
yesterday I found out something that I will for a
long time. It's going to be difficult to forget, and
I'm sure that I will.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Unfortunately this is the way we are.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
But among other things, I remember one little incident, the
food incident John Wingate.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Did you hear about wind Gate? Wing Gate?

Speaker 8 (01:24:36):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Now, now, I mean, you know John Wingate.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
You know the reporters, you know, they've got the best
of everything, and well they do you know, they go down,
they stay in the hotel, and this is just the
way a reporter has to work. He's got a tight schedule.
He's not like the other people. Well, wing Gate is
down there in the coming down. He's been working all
day long on the newsman at a devil of a time,
in a sweating and everything else, and largely he came

(01:25:00):
up to him and John is sort of standing there,
and she offers John and gives John half of her lunch.
She says, you know, you probably had a lot more
work than I did. And here's this large colored lady
with a flower dresses giving John the fried chicken. And
I and and John was was absolutely and knew this,
John was this just the way things went on today.

(01:25:24):
They knew they were at something more than a news event.
I saw Lester Smith in the crowd, and Lester Smith
was one of the few times I've seen him absolutely
thrown off bass. He's one of the calmest, best reporters
I've ever known.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
And John said, this is this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Lesson this this this, he says, this is this is incredible,
just incredible. Uh. And and the feeling again is a
feeling that I cannot describe to you. I'm so so
glad that I went down there. Some of the some
of the funny little odd things that come along. A
guy comes up to me, you know, and you learn
true motives of people to it. Really, oh boy. This

(01:26:05):
guy comes up to me and he says, he says,
you know, he says, chef. He says, I'll tell you
all this and it is great. And I says, yeah.
He says, oh man, that's great. He says, By the way,
he owns a place in town, a restaurant or something.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
He's probably its great, He says, you know what I
want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
He says, I wanted to take an ad out. He says,
I'm knocking off work. And I'm going down to this thing.
I want to take an ad in the paper and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Put it in. And he says, I'm knocking off work.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
He says, I'm sorry, I didn't do it. Now, Oh
you know, oh boy. And the feeling and then coming
back was an incredible thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Coming back was even more in the way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I suppose it continued all day long. You know, it
wasn't just sitting at the Monument and Washington and the
Lincoln Memorial probably was never never was more apropos never,
and even the even the hard bitten guys from Life magazine,
the Time reporter. There was a guy named Kappa standing

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next to me, the famous Time reporter, and you could
see it was very fine fearing. It was not a
news story, you know what I mean by news story.
It was an experience, an actual experience. And so he's
standing there looking down, and everybody's looking around. The guys
are hollering, their feet are hurting all the while, and
the people are up there talking about human rights and
every and the human rights were being demonstrated. Everybody's you know,

(01:27:25):
the words somehow didn't have much meaning. Really, it was
what was going on that had meaning, and and it
was just a and everyone had a sense there, even
the most militant, that the battle is damned near over now,
in spite of the fact that everyone knows there's a
lot of work and tremendous minds.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
But it was, it was, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
It was like an affirmation of something that everyone had
felt never could happen. And it was not just that
it was held well, it was the attitude of everybody.
It was just normal people on the streets. A great moment.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
It was a tremendously moving experience.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
And I've been involved in a lot of crowd movements before,
and I'll tell you I never never had that kind
of feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Coming back then.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
All the buses, you would expect terrible disorganization immediately as
soon as if no, it wasn't. We're sort of drifting
back in all the buses and I'm sitting down on
the big pond there, sitting down on the basin waiting
for our bus, and people are walking around and they're
they're drinking cokes and they're all. It was like it

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was like a great company picnic where everybody knew everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
You know, hope on are raven talking and eating and
so on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
And finally the buses assembled and one by one you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Could see the buses take off.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Well, our bus starts to go back out, going north
this time instead of south.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
And we're going north and we're cutting through town.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
And all along the way of the route. And this
is late, it was about eight thirty quarter nine. There
are people walking waving at our bus and they're just waiting.
And our bus didn't have any big jazzy sign. It
was just a busload of plane ordinary people sitting in
there and they're waving and they're hollering and like, you know,
come on, great, great, great, you came man. That kind

(01:29:16):
of feeding. It wasn't a feeling of boy. We showed him,
didn't we. It was a feeding of boy, and it
was wonderful you came. And they just waved and they're
grinning and everybody where. Our buses going out and people
are riding along in the cars, just ordinary people, you know,
white people, everybody, and they were all waving at the
buses out of their cars as.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
We're going, and out we go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
We're going north this time, out along the highway, millions
of buses, one after the other, one after the other.
A fantastic parade, and in the end, I'm sure it
is a parade that no one will ever forget. A truly,
a truly historic moment. And I don't think it is
a historic moment politically either. It was a historic moment

(01:29:58):
for a lot of people who did not conceive of
people being this way. It's a new concept ry for
a moment there, at least for a moment, it was there,
and it and and it makes everybody that much more
irritated when you get back into real life, back into
real life, it's like people who are in the in
the crowd and VJ Day can't forget it. People who

(01:30:21):
are in the crowd during during a moment of genuine repport,
the minute you go back to the fist fighting and the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Hollering and the yelling.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Somehow it tastes even bitter that fist fighting and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Hollering and yelling.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
And there's a strange nostalgic feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
For that moment, you know, that great moment.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
When everyone's passing the fried chicken we're on it, and
that son is sitting up there and they're singing the
Star Spangled Banner, and that old man behind me is saying,
but they're singing the star Spangled but we're usually quiet
when they're singing the star Spangled banner?

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Matter please, will you please?

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
From August fifteenth, nineteen sixty three news bulletin, Ted Malley
reports about a gunfight in Manhattan fear of a hole
in the ground the night the State Theater blew up.
Part of the opening theme has been deleted.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
And I'd like to sing for all you folks that
been written and asking for all the fine tunes. I
like to sing wine that that goes back a long time,
says an awful lot about all of us, and it's
one that I know you'll enjoy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
Sitting here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Whately molding away, gonna sleep in a kitchen with my
feets in the hole, gonna drink money water, gonna and now, folks,
i'd like to you don't mean to hear seeing the
rest of that. I got a lot of fantastic lyrics
about that one. Of course, it all. It all relates
to the to the to the secret thing that's down

(01:33:25):
inside of us. It keeps jumping out once in a while,
scurrying around in that vast gymnasium of the interior man,
the one where the tennis game alternates with a very
bad basketball game that it's being played in half light,
and the rules keep shifting and changing, and you don't
know which side to cheer for. You don't know whether
or not to holler for the guys that are taking

(01:33:45):
the rebounds, or holler for the guys that are trying
to hook them in over the guys that are taking
the rebounds. I'm gonna drink money water, gonna sleep in
a kitchen with my feets in the hole.

Speaker 13 (01:33:56):
I'm going down to that old river, that all rotten river,
going down to the show, Gonna look out over the
water it in a dark and stormy night, Gonna dream
gona thing, Gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Spit and yell and holler about you. Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
I'm gonna drink muddy water, Gonna dream muddy water, Gonna
dream ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
Let's go right.

Speaker 13 (01:34:26):
I'm done looking up found pacheese got eyes up blue.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
I ain't never cared for eyes of blue, but cheese
got eyes up blue.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
And that's my weakness.

Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
My cheese got dimp cheeks.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
I ain't never cared for damp boat cheeks, but cheesee
got them cheeks.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
And that's my weakness now warm oh my, oh my,
oh I.

Speaker 7 (01:34:55):
Should be good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
I would be good, but gie yo geo, she.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Likes mill and cool.

Speaker 14 (01:35:03):
I never liked to vilain cool, but she likes Milo.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
That's my weakness.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
Now she's gone lumpies.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
I never cared for plumpyanie. She's gone no pes when
that's my week bus. Now she's gone yellow teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
I ain't never cared for yellow teeth, but oh boy,
she's got yellow teeth.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
But that's my weakness now, oh meal mean.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
You, Oh my, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
You know there's a lot of lyrics to this song.
I have not sung to you yet, fellas, And for
those of you who are over twenty one and who
would really like to know how to sing this song
in your spare time next to the TV set with
your banjo, send your name and address to Whoope Lyric
W O R A M and FM, New York, available
only to art students.

Speaker 6 (01:36:08):
But when you hear this, change boy, battle battle up,
battle up, bah quack rack quack quack foks maybe talking.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I never cared for baby talking, but gee foks baby
talking and that's my weakness.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Now she likes engagement rings.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
I never liked engagement rings, but gives engagement rings.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
That's my weakness now.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
Oh yes, yes, oh yes, oh yes yes.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
And random for the Parson Store, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
Up. Chee likes I am holy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
I never liked poor family these, but Gi likes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
The family all together. By we.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Snuck fantastic, absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
I'm telling you yell along with Shephard, you know, since
since it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Is far, of course, you know, for those of you
who are nervous, and this is pretty much the nervous
age for those of you that are nervous, we would
like to tell you that this is probably the last
program you should be listening to on the Friday nights.

Speaker 14 (01:37:26):
It's a very bad time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
And in fact, it is really a very good time
to be nervous Friday night, because let me tell you,
there's a lot of skull duggery that will happen tonight.
And of course, the word skull duggery covers a vast
multitude of activities. Have you done any skull duggering lately?

(01:37:52):
It isn't that a great word?

Speaker 14 (01:37:53):
That's a wonderful word.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
I think our language in so many ways is like
like the muteness that's beginning to attack the human soul
because of the tremendous mechanization of all this stuff. You know,
you just can't, you just can't. It's it's it's when
we lost the Dickensian turn of phrase, the kind of language,

(01:38:19):
the kind of the kind of words, the the the
the scope and the breadth of the language of the
people when people would talk, you know, talk to each other.

Speaker 14 (01:38:27):
I think we lost a great thing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
We can we can.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
I would love to say to.

Speaker 14 (01:38:30):
To Leader, for example, Bob Leader.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Nothing to do well?

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
This punk found that hornswaggling skullduggery, this idiotic, insolent gulla muffray.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
This you call this ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
And nobody, nobody would ever, nobody would ever would ever
think of in in a political address to refer to
what the opponent is doing as.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Outright Clayton blackardly skull duggery.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
You know this is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
And no they know, they just.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
And there are other phrases, of course, being the way
the world is today, you can hardly use them. I
can think of about twenty five great phrases. I will
lay believe me, I will, I will. I will give
you the brass figligy with Brown's oak leaf palm.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
If there is one of you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
I heard this phrase last night, and I wouldn't have
believed that, because it is a phrase that my mother
used to use continually. She would look out bleakly through
that tangled mass of dying geraniums. That cursed my old
lady to and still do. She has never been able
to successfully grow a geranium in a Campbell's can for

(01:39:44):
more than three weeks. You know, they get that funny look.
I don't know what it is about them, what happens
to them. They get very neurotic. But she used she
used to stand there and look out through those geraniums
in the kitchen window over the sink, and the sink
was doing it. You know, the sink is all clogged
up with coffee ountains and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 14 (01:40:01):
And oh, and she throw and she would take the
thing and on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
We had we had a faucet in our house that
if it was turned exactly the right way, Flickinger's house
two and a half blocks away down the street, would
jiggle up and down.

Speaker 14 (01:40:19):
It had such a fantastic effect on.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
The on the main.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
This kind of thing at home boy, and you see
Flick's house going up and down, the bricks falling up.
Flick would come on, turn it up, and we choose,
oh it fixed the faucet in the way, well we had,
you know, everybody was connected up in the scene. So
so my mother would look out of the window. You know,
it's it's it's on a November day like this, when
the when the when the furies are out. The wind

(01:40:46):
is howling in off the lake. You know, it's a
good forty seven degrees cold in Chicago any given time
in life, any given time or during the summer, good
forty seven degrees hotter than.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
It is here.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Oh, yes, the very they faced the life. And she'd
look out there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
You could see the flickering of the blast furnace dust
and you'd see the red and yellow flames catching Bruner's
Bruner's backside as he's sliding up and down the backsteps
trying to make it up to the back door. It's
Friday night and the wind is howling in, and it's
one hundred degrees below zero already in the ground is
as hard as a rock, and she'd look out there
and peer into that darkness and the flapping clotheslines of

(01:41:22):
the lost and gone, sad weeping tears of yesterday's washcloths,
and the engine inverted bowl.

Speaker 14 (01:41:28):
Of the Midwest.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
She looks out she says, I feel tonight like the
wreck of the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I will award you the brass big leikie with bronze
oak leaf palm if you can tell me what my
mother felt like the wreck of Edward. Well, I heard
a lady say that last night in the subway. She's
looking to her and she's a real bronx lady, and
she says, Marcia, I'll tell you, I don't know how
I'm gonna stand on. My feet are just killing me.

(01:41:58):
I'm telling you, I feel like the wreck of them.
And she laid it right out there and I said, George,
it's still there. I'm gonna straight money water, gonna sleep
in the kitchen, gonna sleeping my feet in the hall,
gonna drink.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
Money water because baby, I lost you. I'm sleeping in
a lonesome bid tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Do you know that last week Governor Rockefeller proclaimed last
Monday as Poetry Day ed And this week is school
lunch week. Oh boy, speaking of insanity.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
This is w O R A M n F M,
New York.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
And as long as we're on the subject of his
oh here we have we have before we went further,
we have a note from the newsroom, Ted, here's a
bull in justin Jean from the WR newsroom on that
late report we had on the eleven o'clock news concerning
the crime killing.

Speaker 11 (01:43:11):
Two young men under arrest for disorderly conduct tried to
shoot and fight their way free on the Upper West
Side tonight, but they were killed by a burst of
police gunfire. The dead men were tentatively identified as Victor
Rodriguez and Thomas Sellerno. They were apparently in their early twenties.

(01:43:31):
The incident occurred on ninety sixth Street, in an underpass
below the West Side Highway. That's the latest. Stay tuned
here to WR for further details. Now back once again
to Gene Shephard.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Well and life goes on on Friday night. Well, let's
see before Eddie, you've got the thing in there. Come on,
let's go with the buick spot and we'll continue there
we go.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Yeah, wouldn't you be rather a few week.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Where you wouldn't you really rather half a few week?

Speaker 14 (01:44:05):
The name you have, the car they shore reckuld they.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Take youick special table?

Speaker 11 (01:44:11):
I got the game singing out after a two twenty
five few Wick skylark Wick wildcat.

Speaker 8 (01:44:18):
Wow, very great means a denture when you drive.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
So wouldn't you really.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Rather half a few week?

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
By b why? Why? Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Why my wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wh
whoa whoa why w w w w.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
W w w what? So wouldn't you be rather hard?

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
WICKI wouldn't you rather.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
Half of you? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Someday I'm I'm firmly convinced that we were recognize the
folk song of our time as the giant singing commercial.

Speaker 14 (01:45:06):
I mean, if you're going to take the idea.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Of a folk song as being a song that sings
of the concerns of the people of the now, you know,
sings about their real concerns and sings about the thing
that they really want and is a functional song. You know,
this whole folk thing is very interesting to me in
a lot of ways. The drive. Before we get into

(01:45:29):
the folk thing, we better gown with some more of
these commercials. Get them out of the way here. Let's
see we have the Pottery of All Nations, And I
must tell you you better get on the stick if
you would like to order a catalog or the Pottery
of All Nations. And they have a beautiful colored catalog
that is just a little tiny percentage of all the

(01:45:50):
fantastic imported from all over the world pottery that they
have available down there at tremendous prices. I would like
you to whip a card into the mail immediately addressed
to pot pot w New York, New York, and they'll
send you a catalog and there's you don't have to
include posterage or any of that jazz. Now, the Pottery
of All Nations has been a long time a kind

(01:46:13):
of landmark.

Speaker 14 (01:46:14):
Down to the village. They're at Sheridan Square.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
They have pottery, they have French cookware, they have Danish dinnerware,
they have silverware, they.

Speaker 14 (01:46:23):
Have all kinds of things from all over the world.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
And if you spend about ten minutes down there, you'll
know that this is about the most unusual place you've
ever been in as far as pottery is concerned. They
have one up at sixty fourth and Lex one over
on Paramus and Route four and the address again if
you'd like to send for the catalog, do it quick
before Christmas, pot pot w R, New York. Okay, let's

(01:46:47):
see we got the football promo.

Speaker 14 (01:46:50):
Who are they playing them?

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
A let's see tomorrow football football football, Yeah, I don't
have the football.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
Well here it is here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
It is a Tomorrow the or they're playing Pitt tomorrow Army.
They're gonna have trouble with that one. Pretty good football team.
Army is playing Pitt tomorrow on WR at one fifteen.
And let's see we have here the Children's Fund, the
Christmas Fund. Your contribution box seven to one oh times

(01:47:20):
square station.

Speaker 14 (01:47:21):
This is an long WR charity.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Now getting back to the problem of Friday night, and
the thing about that expression brought to mind something which
I suppose in the ways has some kind of a
very deep subterranean Then I use the word advisedly here
subterranean meeting in every one of us, the wreck of

(01:47:48):
the Do you ever hear of an expression like that?
I feel like the wreck of the blank? What is
the thing that's preferred to? You know, the word at
Do you know anything about that wreck? Do you know
why they picked that one to be the wreck.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Of the.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
It's very interesting this this one what.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
I've got them?

Speaker 15 (01:48:11):
Huh.

Speaker 14 (01:48:12):
I don't know what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
You know, you never know that. I can't hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
They do that every time something better twenty years and
they don't know that yet. But but ed uh, that's uh.

Speaker 14 (01:48:23):
That is connected with the fear that we all have
of under the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
I think one of the reasons why people are being
drawn into continually being sucked into the into the skin
diving thing is because of.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
The fear of the of the undersea world. You know,
being under there.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
There's something about being under the water that just scares
the daylights out of people. If you've ever if you've
ever hung your head over the side of a rowboat
in a quiet lake and just look way down into
the deeps there and you see the weeds moving back
and forth, and once in a while the turtle swims back.

Speaker 14 (01:48:56):
Boy, I'll tell you that's a real scary scene.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Well, there is also something that is even more in
a way scary than being underwater.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
Have you ever been in a cave? Boy, That the
fear of being in a cave or being.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Under the ground. Somehow, the the the subterranean world is
far more scary even than the ocean, because you know,
the light comes into the ocean.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
You could see it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
You know, there's a fishing on it. It's scary enough,
but the idea of under the under the earth, really somehow,
that's extremely scary. And have you noticed that of all
the things that we have done, mankind has been around
on the Earth for a couple of billion years now,
probably at least two and a half thereabouts.

Speaker 14 (01:49:42):
They say now.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
And yet nobody has really seriously explored under the earth, really.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
Seriously doing it. There.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
There have been a few little borings down into it,
and a few theories and so on kicked around about it.
And there are people believe that they think they know
what's there, and they have an idea of how the
earth is the core of it and all that, and
it's pretty well documented, but nobody really explores under the earth.
And I think that the desire to explore under the

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earth is not there.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
It scarce even a scientists somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
I'll tell you what we do.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
We have an automatic climbing and the diving and it's
a digging thing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Yeah, if we have invented it now.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
And you can sit in there and operate the controls,
and it has a great big minshield, you see, and
you can dig now under the earth, and you can
dig say maybe five, ten, fifteen, twenty five miles under
the earth, and then you can go twenty eight miles
over towards Trenton if you want to and just explore.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
What he's under there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
Well, I would be willing to bet that almost any
one of us ed would be far more easily gotten
into a spaceship shot off towards Venus, I'm sure of that,
than to be sent down towards the core of the
earth in a It's some kind of a digging insane
digging machine that dug like a mole, you know, just

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and had lights that you can see down there, and
it just keeps digging the earth away and you can
see the stuff, the rocks glowing packs. Oh boy, well,
that is a is a funny thing. And how I
came just just occurred to me tonight. I saw a
cartoon and it related to one of the great fears
that we all have, and that is the fear of

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the big hole in the ground. There is a great
have you ever stood next to the Grand Canyon, just
the hole in the ground scares you. You look down
there and there's a hole there. It somehow a hole
in the ground frightens you more than a mountain which
is up in the air. You see, the mountain goes
way up. You can look at Mount Everest and it's
twenty seven thousand feet high. There's a fantastic mountain, and

(01:51:45):
the snow is flying and the wind is blowing off,
and guys are being hurled to their death. And somehow
looking in the Grand Canyon will scare you five times
more than looking at the mountain. And the mountain can
be even more deadly for any number of reasons. But
one of the scariest scenes that I've ever witnessed or
looked upon myself, is to look in a great big

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hole in the ground and just look down in it. Well.
I saw a tremendous excavation one time that was being
done for a dam in some place in Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
They had dug out half of the county, you know,
and it was it must have been a.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Mile deep, and people would come and stand and look
down in there, and they would stand from about fifty
feet away and they would just look at it as
if it was some enormous engulfing, fantastic, devilish monster laying
it's just a hole in the ground. You know, they
stand there, Oh boy wow. And the guys that hold

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out of the kids. You know, everybody's holding the state back.
Is if the hole is going to jump out and gravel.
You know, the hole is alive. Well one time, some
for some insane reason, people have a secret knowledge of
these things, you know, even when they're kids, and maybe
even more so when they're kids, because kids will, you know,
kids will automatically shy away from things. They'll see a
hole in the ground, or they'll go down into the

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cave and they'll scare them right out of their socks,
and they'll let everyone know, you know, they start yelling
about the hole is scared of it. Whereas the man says, oh,
that's silly, that's silly, now, come on, it just a
bake hole. And he's walking along in there. There's there's
and and the fear of water underground, the underground river

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is is definitely there. You know, the idea of the
underground river, and and the the the the idea of
tunnels under there and things this great flowing rivers of
dark water and and heavy unseen rocks and strange creatures
that are eyeless swimming down there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Oh, boy, of it, of course for it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
For a long time there has been a kind of superstition,
and even some religions have grown up about this, that
there are beings under the earth. The whole civilization lives
under there, you see. And and these civilisation it's like
the reverse of man. That man on the top of
the earth is this good, beautiful creature. The sun shines

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on him. And if you could imagine the other side
of man, the dark, skulking, rotten, clawed side, you know,
the evil side.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Well, that side lives under the earth, you see. And
once in a while one of.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Those under the earth reaches up and grabs one of
the good guys and pulls them down.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
They claim that there are even elevators here in New
York City. If you go to the right elevator, it
takes you right down there. Just just buzz the down
button three times, and you're one of the ha Madrids
or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Down you go.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
It's right there, back of the chockful of nuts. But
this fear is a very evident fear. And one time
there were about nine kids among my you know, me,
Flick and Schwartz and a whole bunch of kids were
out in the backyard, out backyard. We were way out
in the vacant lot, which is about seventy five hundred

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yards anybody's house, just a little clump of trees out there.
It's a vacant lot, you know, real a vacant lote.
It's got old footballs and tires and stuff out there.
And we're out in the vacant line and we are
making a cave. We are digging a hole which we
were about to cover over with stuff like cardboard and
tin and all that stuff to make a cave.

Speaker 14 (01:55:18):
Well, we are digging.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
We are digging all day Saturday, and we are digging now.
It is about eight o'clock at night. We've had separate.
We're still out there digging. See we're digging, dinging, dinging. Well,
one of the nuts got an idea that what we
ought to do is just keep digging a big hole
and just dig.

Speaker 14 (01:55:35):
Well, we dug all night.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
That were about nine kids. And let me tell you,
nine kids when the frenzy is on them, nine kids
with a frenzy on.

Speaker 14 (01:55:43):
Them can dig an awful lot of dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
I can tell you this. Well, we dug this great,
big hole, and the next day we're out there digging again.
We're just digging a big hole, a fantastic hole. And
now it's about nine feet above our heads, and we're
climbing up on each other and pulling each other out.
And there's water in the bottom of this thing. And
we are uncovering grubs and stuff and all kinds of
junk and roots and rocks and grubs and old tin

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cans and the ancient pieces of artifacts and arrowheads by
the way, And so we are digging this hole bigger
and bigger and bigger.

Speaker 4 (01:56:15):
Well, by the.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Middle of the week, the idea had gotten out and
we kids just leave it go, you know, we walked away.
The rumors got out about that hole, and they began
to drift back to us. People began to think that
something had been out there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
Some There always a.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Rumor about a big hole.

Speaker 14 (01:56:34):
A meteorite hit it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
That was one of the first things ab or the
ground caved in. There was an underground river and it
carved in. Don't go near it because it's got quicksand
on them. There's water in the bottom and see, don't
go near it. It's got quicksand on the bottom. And
we began, of course the kids. What was so funny
was that we began to believe it, and of course
the kids immediately began to pass the word around to

(01:56:57):
look out, there's quicksand there, and there's things under them,
there's the river goes pastor there. And for about i'd
say three months, everybody, all the kids in the namor
who were afraid to go near this hole.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
And it was a hole which we.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Had created, but nevertheless it remained the hole. Well, my
experience with big holes goes considerably more than you would have, say,
if you lived here in New York, because I'm sure
that there is very little big hole business where they
just leave a hole there, just leave it there, just
leave a hole.

Speaker 4 (01:57:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
I remember one time in this town in the Hammond, Indiana,
for some reason or other, somebody had decided to build
a building in the building was being built, and it
was one of these big block square buildings, you know.

Speaker 14 (01:57:41):
A big building, you like a bank or something.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
And it was in the depression, and along about the
time they had gotten the gigantic hole in the ground made.
It was a great, big hole in the ground. It
fizzled out. It just fizzled out, you know, everything, the
money went out or whatever it is. It just fizzled out.

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
And that hole in the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
Ground remained in the middle of the town, more or
less over towards the like would be over the east
side here in New York. It remained there for as
long as I could remember. But as it remained there,
it began to grow its own nature. Reeds grew in
the bottom of it, and cattails grew, and the water
that had been in there from the original digging became

(01:58:21):
a swamp.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
It literally was like a swamp, and frogs were down there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
Not only frogs lived there, then turtles were down there,
and after that there were crayfish and stuff like that,
and there were all kinds of It became a natural
phenomenon and also became then the subject of about ninety
seven million different theories and stories. Stay away, everyone had forgotten.
Originally there was a hole dug in the ground. It

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was just a hole in the ground, that's all. And
it became like the Grand Canyon. Don't go near it,
it's got quicksand in it. Well, one day I am down,
kids are always, you know. So I'm down on the
edge of the water and I found an axe, a
hand axe, just an axe, you know, just a hand axe.
And I was I was amazed, you know, finding a

(01:59:07):
great find like that, a hand axe down there, hidden
in the reeds, half buried in the water and the mud.
And I took the hand axe, and I, you know,
I took it home. I found this great thing, you see.
So I take it home, and I've got this thing
and I'm polishing it and i'm sharpening it. I've got
a file out and I'm on the back porch sharpening it.
And my old man came home and he took one look.

(01:59:27):
He saidhere'd you get the axe? I said, why, you know,
I found it. She found it right away. He's happy,
he said, you found it? Gee, wow, you mean you
just found it. We are junking or something. I said, no,
I found it in the big hole. And this big
cloud came over his face.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
Where I said, the big hole. And immediately I can
see him.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Giant murder axe discovered in swamp, kid held and all
that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
Oh, why, he said, rot, you found it in the
big hole. And he says where where?

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
I said, well down there on the other side of
whereby I can't the avenue, the big hole on the inside,
And I didn't know what i'd done. Now I'm scared today.
He says, give me that thing, he said, and he
rushed it, and they put it in the in the
garage and hit it. At about ten o'clock that night,
the old man takes the axe out there and throws
it back in the big hole.

Speaker 3 (02:00:15):
As far as I know, the axe is still in
the big hole.

Speaker 14 (02:00:20):
Well, you know, the thing is, it's it's the fear
of the hole.

Speaker 4 (02:00:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
Now that thing that we're walking around, you know, we
know very little about it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
You walk around here in New York, because it's easy
to forget in New York that there's an earth under there.

Speaker 14 (02:00:35):
You just figure it's sixty eighth Street.

Speaker 4 (02:00:37):
That's under you. It's more to it than that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
And it isn't just you know, just sixth Avenue that's there.
It wasn't there in the beginning when the glaciers came.
The glaciers didn't march along and leave fifty seventh Street there.
There's that thing under there, you see. And it is
very hard in New York City to remember that. But
now guys out and say Indiana are never they are

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never ever allowed to forget that there is an earth,
a genuine earth, under their feet, because the first thing
that happens in the spring is that everything for miles
around in Indiana is covered with earthworms.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
You walk down the street, ship, you squish a lot,
and our earth.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
Worms are all over.

Speaker 4 (02:01:21):
They have come up.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
You see, they're coming out of the earth. They don't
come out of sixth Avenue. It's very hard to find
them coming out of there, but they do come out
of the earth there. And then a couple of weeks
later you're walking along and suddenly the earth is covered
with eighty seven million grub beetles.

Speaker 14 (02:01:35):
These are these big beetles that come out. They come
out of the earth.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Watch, squischquish, squish, and then they're ready ants, and then
there are the things. So you are never left without
that feeling that the earth is there. I'm beginning to
believe that the writers in America, the guys who are
going to write about the way it is to be
alive in the twentieth century're not going to come out
of New York. They can't because the people in New

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York do not understand.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
They have not.

Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
They have not felt this thing shaking under them. They
don't see that sky whistling over their eyes. And and
they don't they don't feel the thunder when the jet
goes past, you know, they go around us here. Well,
one other thing that that is connected with the with
the deep, the deep whole theory. We also have an
innate fear of ruins.

Speaker 4 (02:02:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
I don't know what it is about a ruin.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
That that that scares you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
I I there is a funny thing inside of you
that makes you worry when you see things that are
left over from other people, some other civilization or something.

Speaker 14 (02:02:41):
I don't know what it is, and especially when you
get into real ruins.

Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
I remember walking through Pompeii, the ruins of Pompeii, and.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
Here's this town.

Speaker 14 (02:02:50):
You know, you know, everyone knows about the ruins of Pompeii.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
But I don't think I have never read any description
of Pompeii that tell you about that strange, oppressive scariness
that is that hangs over it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:07):
The sun is shining down, and all over there there
are guy saying you, Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
You buy a fety postcard, Oh you want the postcar,
you want us.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
On the glasses, huh.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
And they're running around and there they're grabbing you, and
they're trying to sell you souvenir cameos of obscene objects
carved out, a cameo by my elderly grandmother and one thing,
and oh, you can buy some great stuff in the
shadow of Pompeii.

Speaker 3 (02:03:30):
And yet the instant you get down into the streets
and you're walking around.

Speaker 2 (02:03:35):
In Pompeii, or you stand and you look over in Rome,
which is not far away, and you look down at
that great hole, that that fantastic hole where they where
it's all laying out there, the temples and all of
it is there, and you can see, standing off over
to your right, just outlined against the sky, what's left
of the Colosseum. At first, it's fantastic, you're really impressed.

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It just there's nothing like it. It just completely throws
you completely, especially at certain times of the day. But
then as you look more and you walk around, there
is a kind of oppressive, strange, indefinable fear that sneaks in.
I cannot describe it any other way than that it's

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a strange thing.

Speaker 3 (02:04:22):
Well, in our town there was this, there was a
brand new theater put up.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
It's one of the great events of my of my
humble youth, when when kids begin to learn about the
reality of things, and and I don't know what it is,
I guess it's real education as opposed to the stuff
you read in books. I will describe to you an
example of that kind of fear and how kids cannot
quite understand it, and yet they feel it more than
the adults. There was a brand new theater built in

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our town. It was like, oh, it was a big thing.

Speaker 14 (02:04:52):
It was like it was like a Rockefeller Center, you
know that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
It was when they were when they were building.

Speaker 14 (02:04:57):
Really jazzy theaters with gigantic.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
Moats and Swan's ed you know that kind of thing,
with a great gilt QB dolls, And they had purple
ceramic fountains that would squirt perfumed water and you could
throw your gum wrappers down.

Speaker 14 (02:05:12):
There amid these great big gold fish.

Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
It would swim around in the lobby. And they had
they all, yeah, they had they had They had a
brass bronze and and imitation German silver box office there
that was seven stories high. It was like a giant
kiosque with lights playing on the top of that kind
of thing. It was just a fantastic thing. And a
giant organ built all up in the back there with
seven thousand pipes all painted gold, and the organ would

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come up with neon signs and everything going, oh, it's
just like wild, like a five thousand sea theater. And
everybody went to the opening of it. They had they
had some big picture there and it was a big thing.
Everyone went down there and it was this great movie
house that everyone wanted to go to, and they all
crowded down there.

Speaker 3 (02:05:55):
It was open right in the middle of the depression.
It was just the biggest thing that.

Speaker 14 (02:05:59):
Happened in years there.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
Well, we all went to the to the the first week,
the opening week of this thing was madhouse. Everybody had
saved their their whatever it costs a dollar ten or
eighty nine cents or whatever it was to get in.

Speaker 4 (02:06:12):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
It was, you know, it was like going to the
World Series. So everyone who went down there, they gave
everybody a free dish. It's a souvenir free dish the
State Theater opening. And by the way, my mother still
has the souvenir of the State Theater opening.

Speaker 4 (02:06:26):
It's a dish.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
It's a little a little funny phony. Uh you know
this this crummy looking metal that they make these little
miniature empire state buildings out of that, that's what is
that stuff. Well, she's got a little dish it says
opening souvenir dish ashtray or something of the of the
State theater. So we went down there and it was
a big event. It was like Wednesday we went down there. Well,

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everybody was talking about it was pictures in the paper
they had. They had lights playing up in the sky,
purple and green and blue lights. Some big movie star came.
I do not recall the movie star, except I do
know this about the movie star. This movie star was
a famous lady movie star. And the only thing I
remember about this movie star she was famous for having

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a famous dollhouse. Don't ask me why this was because
her dollhouse was on display in the lobby of this theater.
She was famous, and so she came there and dedicated
the thing, and boy, it was wise. You know, it
was like Marilyn Monroe is there. So everyone is cheering
and yelling, and pictures in the paper and reading about it. Well,
the week goes by in delirium. My mother would sing

(02:07:35):
over her sink. Every ye know, she sing because they
were going to change the feature on Friday, and everyone
was going to go there Saturday again.

Speaker 4 (02:07:42):
We're all going to go.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
Back you see the Wonderland again, back to Oz away
from Cleveland Street, back to oz back to the Swans
and the moats and all that jazz. Well, she's working
her way over the sink, and she's got the brillo
pad going on the and Bing Crosby is singing on
the radio, and everybody's cheering. We're gonna go go to
the theater on Saturday night. We were going at night,

(02:08:04):
and it was going to be a big thing. There
was going to be Tarzan there. It was gonna be
a Tarzan movie or something that was gonna be a
big thing. So everyone's looking.

Speaker 14 (02:08:10):
Forward to it. Well, on a Friday night.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
And that's why, ever since, I've had a deep foreboding
about Friday nights. The Friday night concluded, it was about
one o'clock in the morning, maybe two o'clock in the morning.
The entire city is asleep except the guys that are fistfighting, yelling,
other guys doing other stuff, Guys walking around drunk Brunner
was down on the basement making some more and it

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was you know, there were guys that were up, but
they were nefarious people. All the good goers to the
Rudolph Valentino movies and stuff were asleep. Okay, you got it.
So everyone's asleep. See the square world is all asleep.
So we're burrowed in there, and it's about two o'clock
in the morning, and it's a cold, cold November night,

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and it's quiet, very quiet. The street cars have sort
of peered out, and I am dead world. I've been
dead to the world since about nine at that time.
I'm about six or something five, some little kid age,
you know. And we're all asleep when all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, without any warning. It must be the

(02:09:15):
way it is when war comes, when nobody is notified
of it, and it just happens.

Speaker 3 (02:09:19):
We are all asleep, and suddenly it goes.

Speaker 14 (02:09:26):
There is a gigantic oomph just.

Speaker 3 (02:09:33):
The house went, and you can hear cups and stuff,
and I, you know, I put.

Speaker 4 (02:09:39):
On my old man.

Speaker 3 (02:09:40):
What's the matter the furnace. He runs down right at
the furnace.

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
He's rushing around the furnace and my mother is jumping
up and the flashlights are gone, and all around the
whole neighborhood you can see lights coming on people.

Speaker 4 (02:09:53):
Hey, whoa. Then we saw it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:59):
Over in the horiz in there towards the center of town.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
There is this tremendous, gigantic great oh. It looked like
an enormous iceberg of flame just sticking up in the
air and above it is the first mushroom cloud I
ever heard of. You know, people like to think mushroom
clouds come from atomic explosions.

Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
They do not.

Speaker 2 (02:10:21):
They are roughly the same as when you blow smoke
rings with your cigarette.

Speaker 3 (02:10:26):
That's a mushroom cloud. Really, it's the same thing that
causes it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
Just a big heavy explosion directly upward at a certain
at a certain pressure will produce a mushroom cloud.

Speaker 4 (02:10:38):
Boop. And there it is.

Speaker 2 (02:10:40):
It's hanging there in the smoke well, there is this
thing hanging over there. It just it's hung there in
the air, you know who and everybody's and right away
people thought that the whole steel mill blew up, you'll
steel milk asshole blew up, Sinclair all blow up, and
they're running around. The old man is out there and
he's getting the grand page. Ohs, and he's gonna go
everybody you see guy is running around with their with

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their underwear.

Speaker 3 (02:11:02):
Other winter you know.

Speaker 2 (02:11:03):
There that we had a we had a town that
was an insane fire going to town. You know, everybody
was rushed. Everybody's running around. My mother's got her orange
bathroom mind and the kids got their sheepskin out.

Speaker 3 (02:11:12):
Of her back out and the car and we're going. Well,
I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:11:16):
Of course, the rumors immediately it's it's it's it's the mill. Well,
the mill is in the back of us, nobody thought,
and well the mill is the other way, you know,
it's the mill. Niver says, no, it must be asso, No,
it's can't be.

Speaker 4 (02:11:25):
What.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
Well, it finally came to light.

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
The cars began to move towards this thing as like
a gigantic ant colony going and right in the middle
of town the State Theater had blown sky high.

Speaker 3 (02:11:42):
It had blown up from me held the Kingdom come
and it was really going to boom.

Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
That kind of explosion. You know, there just ain't no
little things. There's no, there's no, it's not those little
gas explosions.

Speaker 4 (02:11:57):
It really went.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
Boo that guy and for for hours, little pieces of
cupie doll with floating down. You know, once in a
while there'd be a swan feather would come floating down
and a goldfish would land over in Cook County, forty
five miles away.

Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
It was that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
You see pieces of film, you know, starring moren O'Harra work,
you know, Johnny Weissmaller films all over for Ted Stick,
all of it, you know, Buck Buck Jones film was
all over Lake County for miles. Well, it was a
fantastic explosion and the people are standing there. They're stunned.
You know, it's like, ohs has blown up? I mean, ohs,

(02:12:35):
this is the thing that people it's gone.

Speaker 4 (02:12:37):
Look at it.

Speaker 3 (02:12:38):
And the guys are running around, you know, some.

Speaker 2 (02:12:39):
Guys are spitting in the fire trying to put it
out of the guys are throwing with cups of water
look at it.

Speaker 14 (02:12:44):
And the firemen are just completely gassed.

Speaker 4 (02:12:46):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:12:46):
There's a big hole in the ground and nobody could
figure out why it happened. Well, that thing burnt all
night and then finally the next day there it was
right in the middle of town.

Speaker 3 (02:12:56):
It was like the well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 14 (02:12:58):
It was like an enormous decay.

Speaker 2 (02:13:01):
It was like a tooth that had a decanne that
you couldn't believe, and all the other teeth were great.
It was just an incredible thing. And people stood around
and looked for miles. They came to look at what
was left. And you could see that great, big, twisted
box office and all those purple and yellow tiles all
over the place. The gothic furniture was all busted up,
you know, the whole thing. And there was a great, big,

(02:13:23):
tremendous I'll never forget, a great big tear just hanging
down from a beam of velvet rid velvet curtain just hanging.

Speaker 3 (02:13:32):
Down with big golden fringe on the bottom of it.
Just a big hole in the ground.

Speaker 2 (02:13:38):
The whole dream world, Hollywood, everything blew right up, boom gone,
and nobody knew. And you know, there was a very
interesting reaction to that. About three days after that, everybody
completely ignored it. They never cleaned up the mess. There

(02:14:02):
was a ruined theater in the middle of town for
as long as I could remember after that, and once
in a while, and nobody went near it.

Speaker 3 (02:14:12):
No vandals even went into it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:13):
And you could see those great, big twisted organ pipes
laying over sideways, and that enormous tattered rag of red
velvet slowly began to dissolve in the wind.

Speaker 3 (02:14:26):
And over here to the left you could.

Speaker 2 (02:14:28):
See gigantic gilt cupie dolls hanging from old beams. Was
all twisted and torn, and nobody even went near it,
and gradually a fence grew up around that. It just
was raised around it, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:14:42):
But you could see.

Speaker 2 (02:14:43):
Still sticking up the mosques and the minarets and the
spires of Hollywood Land just laying over sideways, and it's
still there.

Speaker 11 (02:14:56):
Tomorrow afternoon, direct from Pittsburgh, Stan Lomax and Less Smith
bring you all of the exciting play by play of
Army football and beyond the scene for every play as
the Cadets continue their fight for national honors against Pittsburgh.
That's tomorrow afternoon at Pittsburgh. It's Army versus Pittsburgh. The

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game time is one fifteen right here on WOR Radio,
and that is WRM and WRFM in New York, and
right now on wr Radio. Stand by for a delightful
morning of interesting activity and fascinating guests. You'll be hearing

(02:15:38):
them with Long John Neble. It begins now at precisely midnight.

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
From August eighteenth, nineteen sixty three. He announces that he
will be performing at Rutgers at the end of the week.
Shepherd plays the Devil You Never Can Tell, a mysterious
patchwork quilt. After the program, Worfm signs of. Before the
start of the Long John Neville Show, part of the
opening theme has been deleted.

Speaker 16 (02:16:04):
Yes, sure, that's my baby.

Speaker 4 (02:16:06):
Now, oh boy, we're gonna tell you, We're gonna, We're
gonna tank.

Speaker 16 (02:16:11):
We're at the tixty sixteen times a double time. I
reconnect looking out.

Speaker 4 (02:16:21):
Let's call me and let's call don't.

Speaker 3 (02:16:26):
What that title that tunnel can.

Speaker 2 (02:16:31):
Out let ruler pop popping up, But.

Speaker 3 (02:16:48):
Gonna all that all the shoe.

Speaker 2 (02:16:54):
Boy, Ye I can see. It's gonna be a very
difficult week. It's gonna be a very difficult week. My
bellaikes out of tune. You know that it is harder
to tune a bella like it than a pair of
B flat sea melody dentures.

Speaker 16 (02:17:10):
Hello, Hello, Hello, my body lies over the ocean. No no, no,
no no no no no mom eying going hello testing Hello,
here we go, My body lies over the sea.

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
It's gonna be one of them nights. Might as well
just get yourself set to it. It's going to be
a very profound night. We are delving into the innermost
psyche of the twentieth century man, of which we all
are bad feet, bad knees and all.

Speaker 17 (02:17:42):
Hello testing, Hello, Hello, hello out.

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
At c Q there for any of you out there
who are bad and you see that I got a
very bad shirt here ow.

Speaker 3 (02:17:58):
Ow hell'll test. Oh, I'm the sheek Albert Ruby.

Speaker 2 (02:18:05):
Your love belongs to me literally that night when you
were asleep.

Speaker 3 (02:18:10):
Oh, into your tenth I'll cleep, cleep, clean.

Speaker 2 (02:18:14):
Creeping the stars, the shine of bove with light our
way to love.

Speaker 3 (02:18:19):
Baby. Oh, how come rule this lad with me.

Speaker 2 (02:18:23):
I'm the sheek of I'm the sheik, I'm the sheek
of a Ruby.

Speaker 3 (02:18:30):
I'm the sheek che chek of Araby.

Speaker 2 (02:18:34):
Oh your love, your love belongs to me.

Speaker 3 (02:18:41):
Grantado.

Speaker 2 (02:18:46):
Pretty good horses seek the gated. And there's a bunch
of monny meter to the words repeater on the when
they hear this speller coming, because it was the folks
a geez a hyphen.

Speaker 3 (02:18:58):
Right and come come on, right time, Come on, Joe
direct pot.

Speaker 2 (02:19:09):
We get down with the serious things here and now
we'll start delving into the innermost psyche.

Speaker 14 (02:19:14):
Let's see what's the first thing.

Speaker 2 (02:19:16):
Yes, I'm going to support unqualifiedly the Red Cabbage drive
which has just been Come on, you gom very serious.
You know when I demonstrate, I'm going to demonstrate for
something that makes it red cabbage.

Speaker 3 (02:19:32):
I'm also i'd like to I'd like to know.

Speaker 2 (02:19:34):
Whether, if if there are any other are there any
other Call Robbie addicts out there, Call Robbie.

Speaker 3 (02:19:41):
I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
Of course, the car Robbie became extinct about seven to
eight years ago. The last car Robbie plant was found
growing in northern Ohio, and they tried to keep it
alive for a while and it passed away in the
summer of fifty for webs the no no, no, okay, no,

(02:20:04):
that's that's money. That's what we make here at w
o R. Of course, the distribution, as mister Leader pointed
out today at the meeting, is not very equitable. However,
he says we've got it. We keep it in big
bags here, and he says the right people get it.
Not always, he said, but the guys who do get it,
know how to use it better than those guys who
don't get it, who perhaps deserve it more but wouldn't

(02:20:25):
know what to do with it. They've got it anyone,
if they got it, it would spoil them rotten, and
they wouldn't do it right anyway. All together, they gets
gets them's got it, always gets.

Speaker 3 (02:20:37):
And what's more and more and more?

Speaker 4 (02:20:40):
Oh he wants holding.

Speaker 2 (02:20:41):
Let the hands on those great big money goes. Look
at the time, all it there, game, well it, hold.

Speaker 3 (02:20:48):
It, hold it, hold it.

Speaker 14 (02:20:50):
A little excitement here tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:20:53):
Well, look said, the word is getting out now that
we're going to be it Rutgers this week, and already
the troops are angry, and the demonstrators are making up
their signs. I tell you what I hope to be
met when I show up at Rutgers this week. When
is it Friday or Thursday? Friday?

Speaker 14 (02:21:09):
We're gonna beat the ledge Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:21:11):
And I hope to be met by seventeen thousand demonstrators
holding great big signs with just an enormous anguish anguish
question mark. Also one big sign that says shame pop
pop pop. I reckon, Hey you know I'll tell you

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may cut it.

Speaker 14 (02:21:34):
Out gag crowd.

Speaker 2 (02:21:35):
You know, that reminds me of there used to be
when I was this kid and I had this this
this mother used to listen to the radio and there
was a guy I don't know, I don't know anything,
you know, I have no idea who he was or anything,
But there was a guy used to come on the
radio and there was somebody play either he played the
piano or somebody played the piano, or he played the

(02:21:56):
ukulele and somebody else played it.

Speaker 3 (02:21:59):
But he used to sing something like.

Speaker 4 (02:22:01):
This, Oh I'm the shek she cavera be.

Speaker 2 (02:22:05):
Your love belongs to me at ninth when you're asleep
into your tent our creep.

Speaker 4 (02:22:13):
Creep, creep.

Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
The stars that shine above were light our way to love.

Speaker 4 (02:22:20):
Oh comerule this land with me.

Speaker 3 (02:22:23):
I'm the Sheikh the she caverra bee.

Speaker 2 (02:22:26):
Was there any such singer ever like that? Yeah, he
used to, And then he make funny things with his mouth.

Speaker 14 (02:22:33):
He would go, that's what he would do.

Speaker 3 (02:22:41):
Now it's coming, Yeah, it's yeah. Now keep a real
don quiet, real quints.

Speaker 2 (02:22:46):
He's got like this, Hello there, everybody, the shek the
shee cavera be Hell, is everybody happy?

Speaker 3 (02:22:54):
Your love belongs to me. At night when you're.

Speaker 2 (02:22:59):
A sleep baby into your tend, I'll creep, creep, creep. Oh.

Speaker 3 (02:23:05):
The stars that shine above will light our way to.

Speaker 4 (02:23:11):
Love, love, love, love, Come rule, Come rule this land
with me.

Speaker 3 (02:23:18):
I'm the Sheikh, the Sheikh of Araby.

Speaker 4 (02:23:20):
And then you go do do do do do do
do do do do do.

Speaker 18 (02:23:26):
Do do do do do doost have the Sheikh of Arabi.
Your love, your love belongs to me and the Shekh.
The stars that shine above, Yes, we'll light will light

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our way to.

Speaker 4 (02:23:47):
Love, love, love, Come rule, Come rule this.

Speaker 2 (02:23:51):
Land with me.

Speaker 3 (02:23:53):
Ah, I'm the Sheik Chiking she cheep chic of Arabi.

Speaker 19 (02:23:57):
Aw the Shekh, I'm the Shek of Heraby. O, your
love blogs to me that night when you're a sweet
baby into your trap.

Speaker 3 (02:24:10):
Shine of the stars help light our weight along.

Speaker 4 (02:24:15):
A comeuless laugh of me.

Speaker 2 (02:24:17):
On the sheet, I'm the Shek of ARABEA.

Speaker 4 (02:24:24):
Papa, I'm the.

Speaker 20 (02:24:28):
Sheet, the she she Oh, the sheet O, that old
Shek of Arab. I'm the sky sheky sheet a beat
Now who is that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:24:43):
My mother used to stand there next to that radio,
and I'll tell you you couldn't you couldn't get a
dish of red cabbage for nothing till that guy was gone.
She'd let the hamburgers burn right on the stove there.
And this guy is singing things like, oh, sometimes I'm happy,
sometimes I'm blue, sometimes I'm crying.

Speaker 4 (02:25:05):
All over you, Papa, Papa, that.

Speaker 14 (02:25:10):
Kind of you know.

Speaker 2 (02:25:12):
Well, now, while we're on the subject of since it
is Monday night and it is a Monday night, I.

Speaker 4 (02:25:18):
Don't know why it is.

Speaker 2 (02:25:19):
It's a it's a it's a singularly quiet Monday night,
and yet the air is full of portents, evil and otherwise.

Speaker 4 (02:25:35):
All evil evil, boil and bubble, what evil? I see.

Speaker 2 (02:25:51):
Oil and trouble, boil and bubble, Oh evil, portent sucking evil.

Speaker 3 (02:26:00):
Portion of the Hinges of eighties.

Speaker 2 (02:26:05):
Hello tests another flat for crying out? Oh boy, you
know that reminds me. You know, I don't know if
this is something Probably girls don't understand. Maybe they do,
I don't know, but they don't. They can't understand it
from the male point of view, Tony. And that is
the thing. When you were about, oh, probably about fifteen

(02:26:29):
years old, you know, and you're taking this chick out
and you are trying to get up the guts to
put your arm around her, either in the in the
movies or on a swing or in the front seat
of a car when you're driving, you know, And then
you pull it back around, and.

Speaker 4 (02:26:44):
She's what's the matter?

Speaker 2 (02:26:45):
I said, well, I have this coat's got a thing
up here on the you know, it's a sticking me
up there at the top of the rummy thing of
horse there.

Speaker 14 (02:26:51):
And you pull it out and you sit there for
a while and your arm begins to slowly.

Speaker 2 (02:26:55):
Well, i'll tell you what happened.

Speaker 3 (02:26:57):
One time.

Speaker 2 (02:26:58):
I must have taken me a three weeks to get
this girl from riding on the running board into the car.
You see, I'm sorry, that's the truth. She came from
a very scared family. You know, the kind that wore
very tight hair curlers all the time, and they wore
hairnuts on their head, you know, the kind that the

(02:27:19):
grandmother's wear in the morning of the boot way stuff.
And yeah, she wore bathrobes and all that. And I
used to remember it was very different. She was a
very nervous girl and a very nervous family. And so
the first time I took around, I admorrowed the car
and she insisted on riding on the running board. She said,
I just like it out here, you know, the wind
blowing through her curlers, sitting well, it took me about

(02:27:41):
three weeks to get her inside the car, and then
gradually I began to work either way. You know, it
was very difficult. I decided to meet her halfway. Have
you ever driven a car from the middle of the front.

Speaker 3 (02:27:52):
Seat, you know, you got you know, you got your
arms over here like this, and she's.

Speaker 2 (02:27:56):
Crowded up against the door, and you're encouraging her, you see,
You're sitting there sort of sideways with her foot over
there on the clutch, trying to make it go. Well,
finally I got her worked almost over to the center
of the front seat, you see, and it was everything
was going great, you know, just everything I could, just
slowly working it, like you're trolling for some giant bass
in the weeds, and you finally got the bass interested

(02:28:17):
and he's beginning to look up a plug. You know,
you've been working on it for a month. Well, this
chick is finally moving over. And we came out of
the Orpheum Theater and I got the old Man's Pontiac
here going to the Great big Pontiac eights with a
trunk on the back, you know, with a big Indian
on the front there. I used to love to polish
that Indian, you know, the front there. Well, well he
had this Indian everything. He ended up driving the Pontiac

(02:28:37):
and oh boy, was magnificent that night, all polished black.

Speaker 3 (02:28:40):
Was a big Pontiac eight.

Speaker 2 (02:28:42):
And I've got her now, moved almost to the center
of the seat, and we left the Orphum theater, came
out of the parking lot, and we're whipping along the
country lane, you know, with the trees going and my
arm is slowly going up like that, and by George,
she begins to slowly move over towards me, and she
is now in the crook of my arm, and I'm
breaking out in the fantastic stick sweat, you know, you know,

(02:29:02):
Oh boy, And she's coming over and she's just cut
certain eases over there, and the next thing I know,
you know, her knee touches my knee, and just as
we make contact.

Speaker 3 (02:29:13):
The left the back tire, Oh got a flat. What
a time? They get a flat?

Speaker 4 (02:29:22):
Oh oh, what a time?

Speaker 2 (02:29:24):
And I get out of the car, you know, and
I got my electric blue sport coat, the one that
comes down around the knees, you know, and it's got
the seventeen foot shoulder padding on it.

Speaker 3 (02:29:33):
And I get out there and I start changing the tire.

Speaker 2 (02:29:35):
And in the interim between the time I took that
spare tire out, which did not have air in it,
by the way, I rolled it fourteen miles down to
the s O station and back, you know, and back
all the way, sweating everything all the way up. My
coat is purple now instead of blue. And I get
back and I put the tire on it. In that interim,
she had seen the light. She had seen she was
wrong from the very beginning. So we got in the

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car and I turned the key out of on, all
ready to go. She is back out on that rotten.

Speaker 3 (02:30:02):
Running bard and the wind is blowing through her nervors.

Speaker 4 (02:30:06):
We got a game.

Speaker 3 (02:30:12):
Why hello, hello, Oh, stop.

Speaker 14 (02:30:17):
Talk about disappointing.

Speaker 2 (02:30:18):
This is w R AM and it just as follows
w O R and I came into this station seventeen
million years ago. Seven is back in the prolific days, Tony.
You remember with my head high, remember those days, my
eyes shining brightly, Oh, my head, and the clouds gonna
march forward, forward, ever upward, ever, onward.

Speaker 4 (02:30:39):
Going forward.

Speaker 3 (02:30:40):
I came into the station looking into the clouds, and
look at it.

Speaker 4 (02:30:44):
Now, this is w r M and FM, New York.

Speaker 2 (02:30:50):
It's your human geranium patch, your human compost heap.

Speaker 14 (02:30:55):
We'll be here until we're here, until.

Speaker 2 (02:31:00):
They finally have the thing there, you know, upstairs, when
when the meeting finally comes to its conclusion, you know,
speaking of the of the h since we are here tonight.
And it's funny, nobody remembered that, did they the name
of that singer?

Speaker 4 (02:31:14):
Huh? What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (02:31:16):
With the hands up?

Speaker 14 (02:31:20):
Ah, But none of you know the name of that
Indian that's on the front of the Pontiact.

Speaker 3 (02:31:24):
No, no, no, don't call.

Speaker 4 (02:31:25):
No, I don't want you to call.

Speaker 2 (02:31:26):
I didn't say that. That's a rhetorical question. Yeah, that's right,
that's the obvious new Chief pontiactions. All right, all right,
what you want the telephone?

Speaker 3 (02:31:36):
All right, all right, what is it?

Speaker 4 (02:31:37):
What is quick? QUI quick? Quick? Qick quick? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:31:46):
Well yeah, well it was about fifteen I see. The
memory is imperfect, all of you pe well as you know,
and thank god it is. Boy would be in trouble
if we always really remembered. Believe me, there'd be more
fistfights ever hour on the hour if all of us
had perfect memories.

Speaker 3 (02:32:04):
Boy, let me tell you. But uh no, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (02:32:09):
I'm not. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:32:10):
There were there were about twenty five different guys who
said the little Jack, little smiling Jack Smith, guys like Ukulele.
I call those all those faded names ten million years ago. Well,
I don't remember any of those guys. All I know
is that I just heard the names, you.

Speaker 4 (02:32:25):
Know, and and I remember this coming out of Oh
the sheic, the sheka araby.

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
Here when you're asleep, Oh baby in two your tent,
Oh creep creep sir, the stars that shine above, we'll
light our way to those.

Speaker 4 (02:32:47):
Oh come rule this land, this land with me on.

Speaker 3 (02:32:52):
The shek the chica araby pata.

Speaker 2 (02:32:56):
See how little you could get by on and then days?
Well look at me for crying on anywhere. But that's
neither hearing nor there things. Things are looking up one
way or the other. For example, for those of you
who think that there is no real progress in this life,
I would like to point out that opening my mail

(02:33:16):
this morning brought about you Chris Monday is always great
because you always suspect that the week is gonna work out.
You know it's gonna be better. You start think it's
gonna work a lot. You always had a little vague
foreboding that's not on. It's gonna be worse than last week.
And we're always torn between that. We're torn between trying
to recapture the past and try to march bravely, beautifully,

(02:33:37):
clear eyed into the future. We were torn continually between
that and I bet, I'll bet you ten to one
you're gonna see this syndrome out at the New York World's.

Speaker 14 (02:33:46):
Fair exemplified in spades.

Speaker 4 (02:33:49):
Believe me.

Speaker 2 (02:33:49):
They will have a giant chrome stainless steel building housing
rocking chairs from the mid nineteenth century.

Speaker 3 (02:33:56):
They will, I can just guarantee you this. And I
don't know whether anybody who saw the pictures of.

Speaker 2 (02:34:03):
Some of the art that they've already brought in, did
you say, oh boy, art art, Oh.

Speaker 4 (02:34:10):
Oh boy?

Speaker 2 (02:34:10):
That made me worry right away when I says, give
mean the one about about the achievements of Moses, that's
a terrible picture. Well, I just thought you ought to know,
though the things are looking up, that it is is
very good I received in the mail today A significant announcement.
Well for those of you who are part of this

(02:34:31):
twentieth century world all set man significant announcement. I wish
I had some significant announcement music. I can do it
not sorry, I can do it on my guitar.

Speaker 3 (02:34:38):
Here, dawing ding doing Da Da Dying Dying Dying.

Speaker 2 (02:34:45):
From IBM punch cards get new luck. Most significant style
change in seventy three years Da Da Dying, Dying, Dying
Da Da Da White Plains, New York. Never before this
seventy three year old punched card found ndation of the
country's automated record keeping is getting a new look. IBM
announced today that the rectangular general Purpose punch cards will

(02:35:08):
now be available with round corners as well as the
beloved traditional square corners. Du beloved square corners. By God,
she call it there. Yeah, so things are looking up.

(02:35:31):
I had got my Monday off to a good springy start.
I've been getting tired of those old square cornered IBM cards,
and I imagine the next ones will come out about
twenty two seventy eight, will come out with a kind
of a little petty point fringe on them, and.

Speaker 3 (02:35:45):
You know, get a little a little coco there on
the she well, things all the way up and down
the line.

Speaker 2 (02:35:53):
I notice, for those of you who are wondering whether
or not you know a lot of you people, you know,
it's it's hard. I know, it's hard to be a
born Yahoo, It's very difficult to be a born slob.
And I'm sure that many of us have been waiting
knee deep in our own slobism ever since we were
born in the.

Speaker 3 (02:36:11):
Terrible you know, it really is, it really is terrible.

Speaker 2 (02:36:15):
It's it's life is like this, this fantastic onion that
has all these layers, and just about the time you
figure you have discovered, you know, you're finding out of
the key, you get a glimpse that somebody else has
peeled his onion one layer lower, and not only peel,
that he has discovered another fantastic truth.

Speaker 4 (02:36:34):
So be careful, you see.

Speaker 2 (02:36:36):
So those of you who have not even started to
peel the onion, the slobs of the world, the yahoos.
Isn't that a great word, by the way, Yahoo, that's
Jonathan Swift, And yes he had these two people's, the
yahoos and.

Speaker 14 (02:36:50):
The weenonyms, and uh well, both types are around you.

Speaker 2 (02:36:55):
Know every way you look, the Yahoos are running against
the Weenonyms and every election, and the ween Andyms are
voting for the Yahoos, and the yah Who's are voting
for the wien and Ms. And hello, testing, Hello, Hello, Now,
as I say this afternoon, there the mail was good,
and we have brought you as harbingers of good greetings

(02:37:15):
and good tidings. This week we're getting we're gonna see,
we're preparing for the Christmas season. There's thirty more Christmas
shopping days. As John Gambling so succinctly and with great
insight put it. This morning, John was very good on
the time this morning too, He's very good on that.

Speaker 3 (02:37:31):
And yes, John is the only guy. Chris is several
guys here, ed Al it's funny.

Speaker 2 (02:37:40):
Al McCann is the only one who does a Byzantine
station break on w O Y. It comes out, well,
it's really earlier, it's more, oh my jarge, I'd say
it's more Gothic. He comes out with a Gothic station
break that walks out there and stands in the middle
of your living.

Speaker 14 (02:37:56):
Room, roughly the way that Crossley.

Speaker 2 (02:37:58):
That Crossley, I think Neo Renaissance, Notre Dame model used
to come out that a big upright radio, you know,
with with the airplane dial in the middle of the
Notre Dame Cathedral speaking, you know, the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (02:38:10):
It's very good. He's got that.

Speaker 2 (02:38:12):
No, it's time to make a station break. This is
w O R your RKAO general station, your family station.

Speaker 4 (02:38:24):
In New York.

Speaker 2 (02:38:25):
And now back to the specials at bohacks the frozen asparagus.

Speaker 14 (02:38:30):
It's very exciting radio.

Speaker 4 (02:38:31):
You know, you can just sit there.

Speaker 2 (02:38:33):
It tingles, It goes up and down and gets your
knees all warm and gloey, and you listen to it
really does. It comes out and touches you right where
you live. Of course, the thing is that most of
us live where we never want to admit where we live,
and it's very hard to bring them boun to believe there.
Oh yes, oh, excuse me, I forgot to bring you
the good tidings that at UCLA. And as you know,

(02:38:54):
the West Coast has always led in cultural achievements in
the last fifty years. And when Kinder other, I mean
it brought to us such giant intelects as Stanley Kramer,
Tony Curtis, Doris Day.

Speaker 14 (02:39:07):
It's all kinds of big people there have.

Speaker 2 (02:39:09):
Been molding our culture like the silly putty that they
made it into. But Hollywood's got all kinds of things,
and among other things, it has UCLA. And out there
at UCLA, the University of California, you have Los Angeles.
They have now a new course called sensitivity Training. Hello,
we now take you to the sensitivity training section of

(02:39:31):
UCLA where a sensitivity.

Speaker 3 (02:39:32):
Training course is now in auction.

Speaker 4 (02:39:34):
Bringing it in.

Speaker 2 (02:39:35):
Please, ladies and gentlemen, we're speaking to you now correctly
from the floor of a sensitivity training session. Now I'm
in pulswinging here at UCLA. I am speaking to you
very quietly because the people are exceedingly sensitive who are
not working in this training section. They are seated in
the circulness seventeen twenty two students now all working on

(02:39:56):
a sensitivity problem. They are waiting at to see who
has the first trauma while we watch, and we are
waiting for the first nervous breakdown. The way a young
man is now beginning. He's standing up now, young MAPPI
beautifully beautifully done.

Speaker 4 (02:40:12):
He's falling on the.

Speaker 2 (02:40:13):
Floor now they're all standing over him. A magnificent example
of sensitivity and action and all thatating and gentlemen, we
return you to our studios in WR in New York City.
We return you from the campus of UCLA, the University
of California, Los Angeles. RAN training session is now election
take it away war.

Speaker 3 (02:40:32):
It was exciting.

Speaker 2 (02:40:34):
Boy boy, you know that's a three credit hour session too. Yes,
it's a it's antellective, it's it's in the bits of
phys Ed department there. Oh, I'm the cheek of the Yes,
they have a sensitivity training section there and they have
other things there.

Speaker 14 (02:40:49):
I'm sure that that eventually.

Speaker 2 (02:40:51):
There will be uh, there will be the broad Outlook
training section where it broadens your outlook and give it.

Speaker 14 (02:40:58):
There will be also, I'm sure insight courses. You don't
have that little one going there.

Speaker 2 (02:41:06):
Students today, as we're taking up the preliminary course and Insight,
we would like to refer you to the reading list
which is tacked up on the rarey platform there as
as you leave the classroom, you'll see it over there
on the bulletin board. The ones that are started are
the required reading texts for Insight. Now, those of you,

(02:41:27):
as we're opening the course, we'd like to tell you
that those of you that passed this successfully with better
than a ninety five average, you will be allowed to
get into the sensitivity courses, which Sensitivity one and two
and Sensitivity.

Speaker 3 (02:41:41):
Three to A, which is for the graduate level of
the sensitive people.

Speaker 2 (02:41:46):
However, you must have the prerequisite of the basic broad
outlook training, which all of you have or you wouldn't
be here today. Now we're going to run over a
few basic principles this afternoon on our first courts.

Speaker 4 (02:42:00):
Those of you who aren't.

Speaker 14 (02:42:00):
Looking for insight, Hello, they're testing.

Speaker 4 (02:42:05):
I'm the shee cavera be Hey, cut it out there.

Speaker 3 (02:42:14):
I got hung up there and one of those rotten
flats just when I was getting through it.

Speaker 14 (02:42:22):
I'm the shee cavera be Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:42:26):
Yes, yes, another another bit of another bit of information.
For those of you who think that you know, you're
just sort of flobbing around, do you know that you
can now buy quegis. Well, you remember Captain Queek. You
know there's those yeah, those little ball bearings that he had.
They're not called queigis. You get a set of Quigies

(02:42:46):
and make a wonderful Christmas gift. And for those of
you who are who are looking for a really interesting
Christmas gift.

Speaker 14 (02:42:52):
We would like to suggest queegees uh develop.

Speaker 2 (02:42:55):
A nervous habit could rid of an old one, or
just raise caine be mutinous with wikis. Queigis are authentic
solid chrome steel replicas of those used by Captain Queig himself.
Better than doodling, pencil biting, ring twisting, nail biting, or
finger drumming. Quiggling Queakies is therapeutic fun. Oh it's so fun.

(02:43:16):
Be the first neurotic in your crowd to order a
set quigis in their plastic zipper carrying case, which is
beautifully done. And it's a beautiful little soft suede leather
carrying case with your initials are only one dollar. Gold
plated Quigies in black suede are just two dollars and
fifty cents.

Speaker 4 (02:43:45):
Just thought you. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:43:48):
Good things in the wind. Oh, speaking of good things
in the wind, do you remember a couple of semesters back,
we did a thing about a story about the Phantom,
the Phantom ice Skater of Saginaw, Michigan.

Speaker 3 (02:44:06):
Remember that the Phantom Skater?

Speaker 14 (02:44:09):
Oh sure, oh yeah, yeah, there's there's.

Speaker 3 (02:44:11):
All kinds of things, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:44:12):
The belief in magic, and this the the the sinister.
Now I'm not talking about the old cult. I'm not
talking about the people who read the poems and all that.
It's not long Johnville. I'm talking about something entirely different.
That that the that the strange belief in ritual of
one kind or another, that mankind has always carried with him,
is always laced with that one word or that one phrase.

(02:44:34):
You never can tell.

Speaker 3 (02:44:36):
You know, everybody gets a little bit nervous no matter
what it is. You know, they could be they.

Speaker 2 (02:44:40):
Could be the hippus people in the world, and they can.
They can they can stand around there and they look
up at this giant cathedral that somehow makes them a
little nervous. They don't quite know why, or or they'll
they'll you know, the business with the cats and all
that stuff. Well, one time I was in a play
and I was playing MEPHISTOPHELESE and uh it was it

(02:45:00):
was in a modern version, and it was a fascinating play. Really,
there was a lot of there was a lot of
things wrong with it, but it was one of the wildest,
one of the most interesting things I've ever read, I've
ever been in. And it was a rewrite of faust
in modern terms, very funny, a lot of strange, interesting
attitudes and so on in it. And I'm playing the devil,

(02:45:21):
you see, in one night after we'd been playing for
a week or so, and you know, it's really working
in thie. It's really being you know what you're doing
out there, and you really feel good and it's working
great and having what they always say in the theater,
having fun with it.

Speaker 14 (02:45:35):
And so we're really worries.

Speaker 2 (02:45:36):
And there was a scene where where Mephistopheles or m
comes into the laboratory. Now, doctor Faustus in this particular
play was an ancient scientist. He was, of course, which
is what he was in the original Garrett version. But
this Faustus, however, was a modern scientist, say something like

(02:45:58):
Einstein or or one of the one of the great
old men of science like Bertfrand Russell or somebody, but
you it was it was Einstein, really, somebody like that.
And I crept into his his laboratory. You see, he
had made the bargain. Then he decided.

Speaker 14 (02:46:13):
He's sitting there and.

Speaker 3 (02:46:14):
He's an old man and he's he's worried about his.

Speaker 2 (02:46:16):
The contribution he had made to the atomic bomb. When
all of a sudden, I come running out just as
he's about to commit suicide. I'm running out of the audience.
I wait a minute, now, wait a minute.

Speaker 14 (02:46:24):
In here, he looks, who are you?

Speaker 2 (02:46:29):
I said, Well, it does make a difference who I am,
But what you are about to do is pretty ridiculous.

Speaker 14 (02:46:37):
How would you like to do it all over again?

Speaker 4 (02:46:39):
It's one of the dias?

Speaker 2 (02:46:46):
Who are you? I said, Well, now, just a minute here. Now,
I've been listening to you talk about all this stuff.
You got, this conscience, this stuff about how it it
bothers you that you you didn't do anything for mankind.
You created the Adam bomb, and you're want to commit
suicide because Erosiam and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:47:03):
Right, I have done a terrible thing. I want to
commit suicide.

Speaker 2 (02:47:08):
I wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (02:47:09):
I'll tell you why you're bugged.

Speaker 2 (02:47:13):
Because never once in your entire life, not once, did
you swing.

Speaker 3 (02:47:22):
Not once did you swing?

Speaker 4 (02:47:25):
What do you mean?

Speaker 14 (02:47:29):
So that's all right, don't don't argue.

Speaker 2 (02:47:31):
You're only fooling your So you're not even fooling yourself.

Speaker 14 (02:47:34):
You're not fooling me.

Speaker 2 (02:47:35):
I just know, I just know that you're bugged because
you're not not once did you swing?

Speaker 4 (02:47:38):
You didn't not once?

Speaker 3 (02:47:39):
Did you ever really get the bit and go?

Speaker 4 (02:47:42):
Man? Not once?

Speaker 2 (02:47:45):
Now look, I can make it more fantastic for you
than you could eat.

Speaker 4 (02:47:51):
I said.

Speaker 2 (02:47:51):
Now look, old man, look me in the old eyeball.
You know, the wildest dreams that you've ever had in
your life?

Speaker 3 (02:47:58):
What do you mean, the wildest dreams you've ever had
in your life? I can make them come true in spades,
in fact, stuff that.

Speaker 14 (02:48:09):
You never even dreamed of.

Speaker 3 (02:48:12):
How about that doesn't make any difference. You just think
about it. You just think about it.

Speaker 2 (02:48:24):
Well, it goes without question which way the decision went.
And so a few moments later, I am in the
darkness of the laboratory. And this is the whole point
of the story. I'm in the darkness of these laboratories. See,
and he he is sitting there, and he's got this lab.
You see, he's a scientist. So I go in there
and I says, let's see what you've got. I'm walking

(02:48:45):
around and it's in the dark, and it's purple lights.
I'm a fantastic devil, incidentally, and I'm walking around.

Speaker 14 (02:48:53):
And they got the bottles.

Speaker 3 (02:48:54):
Yeah, yes, I see you have a night shade, the
night chain. They all right, now let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:49:09):
And I go over to the sink and now they
only see a little light flickering on my face, a
purple light.

Speaker 4 (02:49:17):
That's it. I pour a little the water.

Speaker 2 (02:49:20):
Bottles up, shomer a little, and now there's a there's
a purple cloud rising up into the light.

Speaker 3 (02:49:30):
Seeing and with that, I take a little of the salt.

Speaker 2 (02:49:34):
It just just suddenly occurred to me, Tony, just without
any without any any just occurred to me.

Speaker 3 (02:49:39):
The devil, you know, this is the devil. The Devil's
got this stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:49:43):
Seeing he's throwing it into the bottle, and it's boiling
under the bunks and burning high and bla, and all
of a sudden I take a little of the salt,
and without saying anything, I go whoop over the shoulder,
and the whole crowd suddenly busts up, realizing that even
the devil is saying, even the devil is saying you

(02:50:03):
never you can tell there might be something after me.
So it's a very nervous business here. And uh here
I would like to read to you a story. Of course,
everyone can tell about this, but this is the kind

(02:50:24):
of thing that in nineteen sixty three continues to lurk
in the just a little bit off stage in the
wings there where the lighting board is. Before we do that, Walt,
please hit them with the wick spot Wick one two.

Speaker 4 (02:50:41):
That's it Wick.

Speaker 2 (02:50:43):
My old man for years called quick back our homemaghbor
book called it quick.

Speaker 4 (02:50:50):
Body out of the rut.

Speaker 3 (02:50:51):
But sixty four Buicks are here.

Speaker 21 (02:50:55):
Special America's family fun God Buddy Buick Skylark so very personal,
the new sixty four Let's Saber full Size twelve Action.

Speaker 3 (02:51:10):
Crash, the Red Hot Buick Wildcast.

Speaker 15 (02:51:15):
Hurry Companies behind Us Cool Lxurious Electric two twenty five
by Bwick Boom Boom, and the nineteen sixty four Riviera
Pure Rap Lecture.

Speaker 4 (02:51:29):
Look at to.

Speaker 2 (02:51:33):
See these six great cars at your quantity Buick dealers.

Speaker 3 (02:51:37):
Now they're Bwicks quack rack.

Speaker 2 (02:51:43):
Okay, Now let's you know you want to hear that story. Okay,
it's lurking in the wings.

Speaker 3 (02:51:50):
Where do you hear this? Just just hang around for mine, Tony,
all right, quick one two three.

Speaker 2 (02:52:00):
Missus Missus Dora Monro of Poise, Sepi, Wisconsin, and members
of her family Friday awaited the return of an ancient
patchwork quilt. They are sure the mysterious quilt will pass

(02:52:22):
a test before an impartial board of six women and demonstrate.

Speaker 4 (02:52:28):
That it has.

Speaker 2 (02:52:31):
A heartbeat, that it has a heartbeat, that it talks
to people, heats up, tugs its way off a bed,
and then by itself crawls under furniture and is watched

(02:52:54):
over by a man who has no face. Missus Munroe,
sixty one, who found the quilt in a box in
the house she and her husband bought in nineteen fifty five,
was so certain that she begged out of the test.
She said she suffers from a heart condition. A cousin

(02:53:17):
in Oakland, California, now has the quilt. A psychologist at
Marquette University who preferred to remain unidentified, said he believed
the entire affair was due to grope hysterical, So who's hysterical?
Asked Missus Nancy mcew newspaper correspondent. Missus mcew and five
other ladies want to act as an impartial testing board.

(02:53:39):
They've asked Missus Munroe to request her cousin to return
the quilt by Eric's Press, and they.

Speaker 14 (02:53:43):
Will pay the charges.

Speaker 2 (02:53:45):
The ladies will gather at the home of Missus Arthur
Fraser to hold a silent vigil over the mysterious patchwork quilt.
The quilt's antics began six years ago when Missus Monroe's daughter,
Missus Florence del Voss thirty three, said she was awakened

(02:54:09):
by the tugging of the blanket. It reportedly cried out
in the plaintive.

Speaker 3 (02:54:13):
Voice, give me my Christmas quilt.

Speaker 2 (02:54:20):
Another member said the quilt then heated up and tried
to crush her as she lay in bed. Another said
that it floated in the air, and all said that
the quilt, in full view of every one of them,
crawled off the bed and under the bedroom furniture.

Speaker 3 (02:54:37):
They could play tug of war with the quilt.

Speaker 2 (02:54:39):
If they chose. Missus Monroe said her granddaughter's boyfriend took
the quilt to his home at wincn, Wisconsin. He said
that sometime after midnight the quilt began moving. He didn't
believe the story at all, and suddenly the quilt began moving.
It awakened him. He got out of bed, sat up
in a chair, and watched as the quilt quietly straightened

(02:55:02):
itself out and sat up.

Speaker 3 (02:55:04):
In an L shaped form that moment said there was
a knock on his door.

Speaker 2 (02:55:09):
He answered it to see a man standing wearing a
farmer's hat in the doorway, pouring rain.

Speaker 14 (02:55:17):
But with dry clothing.

Speaker 2 (02:55:19):
The boys said, the man had no face, turned and
walked off into the darkness without speaking. As I am Mephistopheles.

(02:55:44):
I offer you another chance, another chance to do all
of the things that you've always wanted to do in
the deepest, innermost secret dreamings, in your tossings and turnings
late at night, years years and years ago.

Speaker 4 (02:56:04):
I offer you another chance.

Speaker 3 (02:56:12):
It doesn't do you any good to lie, because you see.

Speaker 14 (02:56:21):
It doesn't do you any good.

Speaker 3 (02:56:24):
No, don't protest, Sit down, Sit down.

Speaker 2 (02:56:29):
It's entirely up to you.

Speaker 14 (02:56:32):
If you don't wish to take advantage of my offer.

Speaker 2 (02:56:35):
While I'll leave this house tonight and never return, it's
entirely up to you.

Speaker 14 (02:56:43):
So don't get nervous.

Speaker 4 (02:56:45):
Just think about it.

Speaker 14 (02:56:46):
But think about what you're thinking about.

Speaker 4 (02:56:49):
Think about what you're turning down. Man, What is life?

Speaker 3 (02:56:55):
Think of the things you've missed.

Speaker 2 (02:57:01):
Think of all those quiet evenings in the spring and summer,
with the smell of the forcythia coming in soft spring curtains.

Speaker 4 (02:57:17):
That's right there.

Speaker 14 (02:57:19):
I'm glad now here. Just take this, take this contract.

Speaker 3 (02:57:25):
We'll sign it.

Speaker 14 (02:57:26):
We'll need a little of your blood, of course, that's part.
You'll spilled a lot of blood in your time.

Speaker 7 (02:57:34):
There.

Speaker 2 (02:57:35):
Just signed your X down there at the bottom. Don't
bother to read all the fine print. It's just a routine,
you know, just standard clauses, subclauses, standard union contractors. Sign
your name.

Speaker 14 (02:57:47):
You'll be in good hands. We'll have more fun than
you ever dreamed.

Speaker 4 (02:57:52):
Classic.

Speaker 14 (02:57:54):
I'll be back in just a few minutes.

Speaker 4 (02:57:55):
Of my materials.

Speaker 2 (02:57:59):
You just here and gather your wits together and decide
what shoes you're going to wear it at the big car.

Speaker 17 (02:58:20):
This Wrradio, you were stationed four news Something Old, something New.
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Enjoy an hour with Joe Franklin, his old time movies
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(02:58:43):
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John Neville Here on WRM and FM New York at midnight.

Speaker 2 (02:58:57):
Ladies and gentlemen.

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Because the following five hour period has been set aside
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broadcasting activities until five o'clock this morning, when we shall
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Speaker 3 (02:59:22):
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Speaker 17 (02:59:24):
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(02:59:46):
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Speaker 17 (03:00:02):
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Speaker 14 (03:00:09):
Now are a national anthem.

Speaker 1 (03:01:09):
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That that

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