He Went Aboard A UFO And Saw The Greys!!

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But I'm just flying through space,whatever you want to call it. And
next thing I know, I'm onthe ship with a dozen gray aliens who
are in a circle right, Andas I look closer, they're in a
circle, but they're over this squaretable that looks like it's clear, like
a clear table, and it looksat first like it's empty. But as
I get closer, I realize thatthey're remote. They're remote viewing like a

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town in the United States. Andas I look closer again, their eyes
they're following. Their eyes are importantto this process for whatever reason they're they're
following these people. And the grayalien next to them picked up the person
from their field division, so theyneeded to do it as a group somehow,
maybe it was like a chorus.It made it stronger. It was

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like a process, and they're Idon't know if these beings are servers.
I don't know if they're humanoids.I don't know if they're half you know,
I don't know what they are.They're half organic and half not.
What was wild about that is thatI'm looking at them. I'm so curious
about it. Then two of thegray aliens looked at me and they started
coming towards me, and I don'teven know what I look like in the
holographic forum, right, I don'tknow what they're actually seeing. But I

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was so scared I jumped out ofit my first time that I stumbled upon
gray aliens doing something like you couldthink that we could learn from. If
our little eyes can do you knowa tenth of what their big eyes can
do, maybe there's something there.Today, my guest is Tom Matt.
Tom, welcome to the show,brother, How are you. I'm doing

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good, Thanks for having me.I've been listening to some of your interviews
this morning and the work that you'rebringing to the table, and I already
know this is going to be agreat talk. One of the reasons I
know is because the fact that youare a student and I can hear in
your voice that you're trying to getanswers. You've experienced some things and you're

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bringing that to the table, andthe beautiful thing is you're asking questions.
One of my teachers said that youcan't really trust people who come with all
the answers and they know it all, But you can trust the people who
are showing up asking questions. Thepeople who claim to have the truth.
Don't don't ever trust those people,but the people who are seeking and searching

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after the truth. You could putsome stock in that. So I know
this is going to be a funtalk. Yeah, I like that.
I like that a lot, Andthat is absolutely true. This, uh,
my origin story, for lack ofanother word, happened a dozen years
ago. And while I've got someanswers in the last twelve years, every
answer leads to more questions, mewanting to find out additional things. So,

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yeah, do you want me totell a little bit of my backstory?
How do you want to start?Well, actually, this is you,
what do you What do you think? I mean? Shoot, yeah,
I think it'd be I think it'dbe good to kind of set it
up from the beginning, because youknow, a lot of people are experiencing
that right now. So to kindof show where you came from, to
show where you are now definitely bebe U a great way to start.

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Let's do it. Let's do it. So, So the reason I'm here,
as you and I know, isthat I have this ability to see
these holographic images that are everywhere aroundall of us. For whatever reason,
my brain has evolved or something hasopened up for an ability to let me
literally turn my attention. I cansophomize, and I can focus, and
I see these holographic images. Notonly can I see them, I can

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interact with them. Not only that, but I went to the Ions Institute
in California and they hooked me upwith an EEG machine and we measured the
brain waves. So there's a peerreview study out there showing this is not
just an internal phenomena. Something outoutside of me is happening. We'll come
back that in a minute. Whatwas what happened though? How I got

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this is about a dozen years ago, So I'm eleven years in recovery.
So I'm recovering. I did abunch of drugs eleven years ago, and
when I did, actually I relapsed. I had five years sober. Right,
So I'm in my mid forties.Five years later, I pick up
again, late forties, successful businessguy in Atlanta, have an advertising agency.

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This time, when I picked up, something shifted in my brain.
Something changed in my brain. Istarted to have a thought. That thought
would turn into a belief, andno matter how ridiculous or bizarre that belief
is, I would believe it tobe true. And then I would act
on it. It got so badthat I believed my business was upfront for

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another business. I believe my kidswere aliens. And I believed this so
much. This is funny. Whenyou talk about people believing things, You're
like, well, how do youbelieve it? I believed it so much.
I walked down on my family.I walked out of my wife,
I walked out on a thriving business. Right, So I emptied my bank
account and I spent the next sixmonths just flying around the globe looking for

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answers because something was wrong and Ididn't trust anybody. There's a huge paranoia
and that is associated with cocaine,so that's not too unusual. And to
be clear, again, I wasrecovering at it before, so this time
when I picked up something just somethingbroke right, something got in or something.
You know, it was a completecollapse. Well six months later and

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I wrote a book about this,by the way, it's called Jesus Goes
to Hollywood, A Memoir of Madness. We'll talk about that title in a
minute, because I think it's importantand I don't usually talk about that on
these podcasts, but for this show, I think it makes a lot of
sense. Jesus goes to Hollywood amemoir of madness, and so I wrote
about this. I publish it intwenty twenty, right in the middle of
COVID pandemic. So I tell thisstory. The first two thirds is what

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happened, and the last third isabout when I started getting clean and sober.
Something happened to my brain again tosee these holographic images and to interact
with him. So I was like, listen, if I can do this
extraordinary thing, and everyone knows Iwas psychotic and a drug addict, I
have to give up my addiction.There's nobody going to take me serious if

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I'm still addicted and I'm claiming allthese things. So I gave it up.
But to be clear, I wantedto give it up, you know
what I mean. I was atthe end of my rope. I was
at the bottom of you know,the addiction, you're at the bottom.
I wanted to get back with myfamily. I knew something was wrong with
me. So over the years wedid a lot of healing and the family
part of it. Success is great. Everyone's back together, the family,

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My kids love me. It's wonderfulthat aside that's not aside. That's important.
I still wanted to find out whatthese images were because they were they
were extraordinary. So that's what I'vedone the last dozen years, and I
wanted And the funny thing is Istayed away from the New age stuff.
I stayed away from ufology. Istayed away maybe say the spiritual side.

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I wanted to be taken serious byacademic institutions like MIT, Harvard, anybody
had a neuroscience program. I waslike, listen, you need to get
me in the lab. Something extraordinaryis happening to my brain. And I
can do it on demand. Idon't have to wait for it. I
don't have to get a certain vibe. And I know that we can measure

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something ether it's in an fMRI oran EEG. Finally happened with ions.
So that's where we are now.And that's the backstory. So this excess
of drug use ended up in sometype of mental psychosis, some type of
schizophrenia where you're believing anything that you'retold one hundred percent, trying to make

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sense of reality. Images are comingto you. I'm assuming from experience that
many of the images maybe that youwere seeing at the time Were they unpleasant?
Were they? Yeah? Were theyevil images like during that time of
this psychostry. So no, thatthat's a great question. It's funny too,

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because in my book there were twoliterally two separate instances. Now I
was on drugs on both of them, so let's be clear about that.
I was, you know, Iwas psychotic. I was on drugs.
But I was run out of ahotel room. I went to a place
called, Oh, they sell Christianjewelry, James Avery. Right, I
happened to go to James Avery.I was beginning of the psychosis. I

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was buying some jewelry. All thesecrosses are tough. I went back to
my hotel room. I did abunch of drugs by the time, and
they actually had some posters, bizarrelyenough, from a jewelry store. They
had these posters. Maybe they wereadvertising some of the things they were selling.
But by the end of the night, I had put these posters all
over the wall because I thought demonswere trying to get me, all these
Christian posters. I put all thesecrosses on and I ran out of that

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hotel room. I took everything,all this gold jewey, and I threw
it in a dumpster, right,literally thousands of dollars worth of gold.
The crazy part about that story isthe and I threw my wallet away because
I thought it was possessed, right. The craziest part about that story is
the decency of the guy that pickedup the garbage that day. He happened

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to see my wallet when he dumpedit in the back, and he brought
all this stuff to my wife.He said, I don't know why this
is here, but this is importantyou. I mean that to me was
in like one of those spiritual momentsfrom another person getting involved. It happened
again when I was at a hotelin California where I looked at myself in
the mirror and I thought I wasturning into a demon. And again I
completely left all my stuff and Iand I and I left in the hotel.

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They put that in storage. Sothere were two times where I thought
something was going on with my mind. One I was being chased out by
demons. The second time I thoughtI was turning into a demon. Now
this has not happened since I've gottenclean and sober. I want to be
clear about that. That said,and we can definitely take a deep dive
into this. I've seen many typesof spiritual alien, any kind of beings

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in the holographic form. Some ofthem are scary and some of them are
less so. And I will tellyou one other anecdote about why the book
has called Jesus Goes to Hollywood.When I during the book, during the
when the time I had the psychosis, and even back then, I was
like it was in March. Isaid, I have to get clothing and
sober. So I checked myself intoa Crossroads treatment center right, which is

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in Antigua. It started by airclapped in black the year two thousand,
I think. So I check inthere and I'm cleaning sober because obviously you
can't do drugs there. But therewas a moment I knew I was still
having but I didn't know it.There were still psychotic thoughts. I had
this fruit cup drink right at thecafeteria. I walked outside and I spilt

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this on the rocks and some ofit again on my pants. I also
had a Bible in my other hand. Right, I opened up the Bible
passage and the Bible said something.This is paraphrasing. Some of your readers
or listeners may know this better,but said something about and the blood spilled
and splashed upon his pants, andI was like, oh, that's it,
I'm Jesus. You know. Itwas clearly a psychotic moment, but

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when you're in that state, Sothere was like a couple of days where
I literally thought I was Jesus becauseof all these synchronistic moments. That was
one in a series of them.But that's a bye, by the way,
that's a very high bar. Youdo not want to be Jesus because
that's a very high Bardy keep.So after a while it kind of idea

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faded away and my brain got healthier, and this filter, I call it
a filter, it started to mendor started to get back in place.
And I want to say two thingstoo, because I'm sure somebody's thinking,
did you have as my computer doesthis? Did you haven't? I did
two MRIs right, there's no braindamage, there's no legions, there's no

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tumors, and there's no damage fromdrug use. So we know there's nothing
wrong with my brain. Nothing neurologically, nothing pathological is wrong with me.
I've just developed this amazing ability.And the scientist from a clinicals perspective,
their only answer is something must havebeen rewired in your brain to give you

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this ability. Now that's nice,but that's really not helpful, is it.
I mean, if you looked overhere and you saw a holographic image
of anything, you would want moreanswers than that. And that's to your
point. That has been the missionI've been on the last ungeand years trying
to get answers. Well, Ithink we're on a similar mission. And
uh, and probably a lot ofpeople listening I get I get a lot

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of messages and I'm empathetic towards thembecause a lot of them are just what
you said, Hey I'm Jesus,Hey I am, and you know,
the archangel Michael sitting here for amission. I get it a lot.
And it's the strange thing about itis that it's it seems to be increasing

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post COVID and posts like going throughthese traumatic experiences, people push to a
breaking point of reality of what theythought was solid, you know, as
far as how life works. Andyou know, we're trying not to think
about death like we're like we're heretrying to push like you know, the

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spirit world and those things that arecoming right death, you know, it's
but we've trying to occupy our timeand our mind with other things that so
we don't have to think about it, and we've been forced to look at
it and think and think about thosethings. So people are asking deeper questions,
looking into near death experiences, whathappens when we die, all of

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these things, and so it's pushingpeople to you know, this kind of
breaking point, if you will.And so I'm getting a lot of those
messages that are psychosists that people aregoing through. I always tell people to
prove it, you know, like, hey, I'm Jesus, or I
can do this and travel to theserealms and all this kind of stuff.

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Okay, like prove it, like, hey, I'm people are write me
ask tell me to ask them questions. They know everything in the world.
Ask them a question, Okay,what was my father's brother's name? You
know, just something right off thecustom that should be fairly easy, and
they can't. So it's this thingof like this narrative scenario that is,

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like you said, a thousand percentreal to them. But the outside doesn't
look like the inside. So ifthis is real, if you are,
how do we get the outside tolook like the inside, especially where little
things are coming up that stood outto you because it's a part of your
story that all of these grandiose ideasare happening. Cool stuff. But now

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I'm homeless and I've left my family, like and and and that's that's that's
one that happens with a lot ofpeople experiencing the Messiah complex. The I'm
you know, it happens a lot. I have friends doing it, a
lot of stuff. So I wantto I want to be able to share
your story, share my story,and also help these people for sure,

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but help ourselves figure out what's goingon. Obviously on a larger scale.
It's not just you, it's notjust me. There's so many people,
and I think the number is increasingwho are going through this stuff. Yeah,
I agree everything you said. Senseyou covered a lot of things.
Let me let me take them oneat a time. The ones say,
uh, let me take them oneat a time. So I think the

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first thing that comes to mind isthe thought that people believe are getting messages.
So that tells me that I meanagain, I've thought about this a
lot, like you have, Derek. I've thought about this a lot.
It's like, why would I believesomething so ridiculous, and then the idea
because like, well, where dothoughts come from? So well, I
don't believe those things anymore. Itmade me think, Okay, everyone talks

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about you're not your thoughts, right, but we still do not know where
thoughts come from. So the questionis, maybe, even though I don't
think people are the Messiah or ourangel Michael, maybe we need to start
looking about where things are coming intomy our brains, and maybe they're on
a level that is below or likelet's call it unconscious or subconscious. Maybe

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we should start paying attention to thatand wondering where these things are coming from,
because these are these ideas are notcoming out of thin air, but
yet they are coming out of thinair, right, so like something is
happening, these we're turning into afrequency where we can pick it up.
So that's my first thing. SoI think that speaks to doing more research
on where these ideas are coming from. Because you know, if you go

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to a traditional therapist, they'll tryto medicate you and say, don't listen
to those voices. Now, that'sgood, you don't want to think these
things, especially if you end uphomeless. But It's only part of the
story, right, It's only partof the symptom. And why do we
have all this? Why do peopleneed to think that what is missing from
our lives or we need to thinkthat there's something missing. And if you

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go to you know, if yougo to AA Meeing's, it'll tell you
to do service work and stuff likethat. And that's really great stuff too.
But I think there's another piece aswell, and I think to your
point, we are approaching something right. Every time I just like you,
every time I get on a podcastlike that, somebody reaches out to me
and says, wow, I cando something like you can. And you

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know what the numb number one thethrough every thread of every story trauma.
Every single person has some kind oftrauma associated with it, whether it's childhood,
whether it's addiction, whether it's familytrauma, something they all have.
This is and then and then itgets worse because for whatever reason, because
people don't know what to do withthis. It is an extraordinary thing.

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And if you go to traditional medicalhealth outlets, they're gonna, like I
said, medicate you where they're gonnasay bipolar schizophrenia. Now, obviously those
things are out there, and peopleneed to take care of those. But
there's something else happening with our world, our environment. If you want to
say a veil is being lifted somore people can see it, I'm okay
with that. I think we're approachingsomething. I think our environment is changing.

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I think I don't care. Idon't well, I mean I do,
obviously, whether it's climate change.Something is happening where more people are
plugged into this hidden bios for ahidden biosphere, an invisible biosphere. But
it's not gonna stay hidden. Areinvisible for lungs. We're being connected to
it. Now. I know thisfrom a visual perspective, because I can

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see more than other people can see. There's a word that I looked I
learned a dozen years ago called umvel. It's spelled umwe lt. I think
it's pronounced umvel. It's a Germanword. It's a way of biological organisms.
Organism moves through environment. Now,you and I are humans. We
move through earth differently than say aworm, right, because we have more

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senses. We all occupy earth,but a worm has different senses and sees
a lot less than we do.I'm starting to believe, and I have
for the while now that a whilenow that there are other creatures and beings
here that we can't see because oursenses can't tune into them. I say
this because I see them. Isee them holographically. So I think more
and more people are seeing more metWhether you want to call it an evolution

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mutation, I don't know, butI know I'm hearing from people all over
the place. And yeah, yeah, so whether they're living or you want
to call them living, that's thediscussion for science at another time, but
for this conversation, it is definitelyan interesting piece that is part of what
I want to get answers for.Yeah, a couple of the places that

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I definitely want to go with youis talking about being able to see this
stuff and then manifest it and thenit actually becoming the reality. You know,
as far as like, hey,I'm a millionaire, okay, like
in the spirit world or in yourimagination, Like how do you manifest a
million dollars? Right? Obviously there'sa process to do it. Anyone can

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do it right if they stuck toit and got a game plan. But
these visions and these things that arecoming to people because we are antennas,
we are receivers for what though.That's what we're exploring, right, this
idea that pictures and images and allof these things are coming to you.
What do you do with them?What do you do with them? How

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do you how do you make somethingout of it? And that's what we're
figuring out because people are starting todo it. And when it maybe ties
into the spiritual or New age community, when you're talking about the law of
attraction and these things, of thesethoughts and these images coming to people or
either either they're coming to you oryou project them out into the biosphere or

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towards the sun or in the sunlight, or to the clouds. This is
the we don't know and then itreverberates and comes back to you. Are
you receiving these these messages or areyou creating them? It almost seems like
this where there is a narrative thatsome we'll just say people want the masses

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to believe of even with death.Maybe that's the thing too, This is
what happens when you die. Thisis the purpose of life to do that.
But when you start asking those deeperquestions, it's almost sending a signal
or a beacon out there to themass collective and we're all shifting together,
these these personal epiphanies and awakenings thatwe're having. It's not just us,

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it's the entire planet. So it'salmost like whether this is something that's breaking
or allowing you to see through thematrix whatever terminology where you know, the
veil is a great terminology actually touse. But as you're seeing it,
it's changing the narrative and more peopleare starting to experience question and believe a

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different narrative that makes the old veilbecome thin and fall away. So there's
so much tied into it with whetherit's group think, global brain as what
we can believe the majority. Themore people I know, you've touched on
a little bit of all of this, the more people that believe it,
it can actually we can will itinto our reality and it becomes our truth.

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Whether that's happen, and it seemslike somebody doesn't want that to happen,
So I know that's still a lotthat's that's good and I and I
feel those things too. Let's behonest about that, especially with well,
let me talk. Let me talkabout upside this this ability I have let
me let me describe it so peopleunderstand exactly what it is, and then

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I'll tell you how I use it, how I experience it, And then
I'm going to tell you how weknow. It's not just inside, it's
not just a product of my imagination. So upside vision is the ability to
see and interact with these holographic imagesthat seem to be everywhere around us.
Right, So if I see actuallyand I let me tell you what people

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what it looks like. I'm gonnagive two examples, and I'm sure most
of people. If you've seen theIron Man movie, there's a scene with
Tony Stark when he's in office.He can hey, he's got the hologram
of the universe around him, andhe works and he works in that environment.
It looks like that. If youhave not seen Iron Man, there's
a movie called The Queen's Gambit wherethe protagonist is laying on the bed and
she's looking at the ceiling and shecan move the chess pieces around. They're

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holographic, so she moves the chesspieces around. Both of those are good
examples. And then the Old StarWars one where R two D two has
got the thing of Princess Leah givinginstructions. The problem with that one is
they're not in full color. ThatI don't like to use that one because
it's not in full color. It'susually it's a color. It's a clear
color, let's call it, witha tint. It's usually some kind of
tint to it. So that's whatI'm seeing now. Once and it could

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be related to what we're talking about, but just as many times it's not.
So that's what's so. When Istarted doing it, I thought it
was like this precognitive thing that Iwas gonna win every horse races. I
thought it could pick winners in footballgames. I thought it was gonna win
a fortune. This does not careabout that. This does not care about
that at all. In fact,it leads me away from it because it
will show me a whole race,Kentucky Derby race, and it won't pick

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the winner, won't you know whatI mean? It won't show me the
real thing will It's got a tricksterelement. So so anyway, once I
look at this, I could turnmy attention, I soften my eyes,
and there it is now. OnceI engage with it, right, I
can interact with it. So Let'ssay I turned my attention and there is
two kids throwing a frisbee. Nowon, now, once I'm a part

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of this, I can think changethe frisbee into a football, and they're
throwing a football. So now I'mengaged with this thing. So it is
an eternal receiver, right, I'mreceiving it and then I'm putting something back.
So now there's something going on that'sextraordinary. And let's I want to
tell you three ways how we know. Well, by the way, it's

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not a vivid's mind's eye, right, it's not good memory recall, and
it's not a vivid mind's eye.And those things are really important, and
those things are good, but it'snot that. For example, if I
was driving a car and you andI are chatting, and you're in the
passenger seat and you're like, rememberthe Jaws poster, and I could drive
the car and I'd say, sure, I remember that and think about it.

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If I'm doing this, I can'tdrive a car because I have to
pay attention. My eyes have tofocus, So I could do it as
a passenger, but not as adriver. So that's number one. But
three things, So how do weknow it's outside my brain. Number One,
my eyes get tired focusing on theseimages, just like your eyes get
tired looking in a movie or anythingelse. Number two, the pupils dilate

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when I see something arousing or surprising. You cannot willfully dilate your pupils.
It has to be done by anexternal stimuli. And that's proven. You
know, there's tons of things proofon that. And number three, there's
another thing called smooth pursuit eye movements, when they can track your eyes,
like if you're watching something go acrossthe savannah, like a gazelle, you

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can track your eyes and if you'reactually following it, your eye goes smoothly,
and if you're faking it, itjumps. You can't pretend your eyes
are tracking something. So these areways we know it's external. Right,
And I think again, that's importantbecause a lot of people and I've I've
hear it, and I get it. It's a It is a good question.
Are you sure it's not in yourhead? Well? No, but
yes, right no, But it'slike it's like any other sense you're making.

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You make a sound with your voice, my ears pick it up,
but I respond with a sound frommy voice. So there's an engagement going
on. So that's that is what'shappening with this, with whatever this is,
and I don't know what it is, and it can be meaningful.
I've learned that the images that keepcoming back are meaningful if the other ones,

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you know, the things that seemto come back are meaningful. The
ones that I can't bring back,they're just kind of a thought or meaningless
or whatever. And I have seenall kinds of stuff. I seen me
playing as a child. I've seenmy kids in the back of my house
when they were children, so I'veseen those things. Now I don't actually
think it's this very vivid, actualmemory. I think it's some kind of

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I don't know, some kind ofI don't know, some kind of collective
memory or something, because it lookslike my children. So that's what that's
kind of when I want to searchfor answers with with other people too,
the more if a bunch of usget together with this, I think we
can actually communicate. We can getto that in a minute. Yeah,
no, that's one of the thingsI wrote down that I wanted to talk

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to you about, because you know, in this you know, sense of
practicing being able to practice with it. You know, me and my wife
have been trying to practice ESP andjust you know, what is the science
behind it? You know? Isit to to think a thought? Is
it to look at the thing andtransmitted? Is it to put do you

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have to put your hand on theperson? You know? In this form
of mentalism? But it actually worksand it's not trickery. And and like
you said, it's one of thethings where sometimes it works and other times
it doesn't. I think it worksenough or this stuff is meaningful enough that

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comes to you that it's there's somesignificance to it to make sense out of
it. I'm with you on ona couple of things on that track as
far as it being just you orin your imagination, there's things that and
I can put myself out there becauseI'm asking questions too. But other people

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are experiencing this too, so there'sno Messiah complex going on. I want
to destroy that. You could easilymarket this as you are the guru,
right, but no, this isstuff that obviously other people are experiencing and
have experienced to see these images inthese just strange worlds within worlds if you

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will, that maybe are more realthan this realm that we're able to see
into catch glimpses into that other peoplecan see it and are seeing fractals or
you know, dimensions of it.And and I think if you could learn

(29:03):
how I don't know about that,if you learn how to film it,
if you learn how to get itto appear, whether it's a shadow,
there there has to be a si, a scientific method you know, for
this. And I think that therethat there were you know, I don't
think this is new. I thinkthat I think this this is has been

(29:25):
hidden from us because it could bethis place where there's infinite possibilities, infinite
timelines that you can get clear on. Think about and will it into your
now moment, into this timeline thatwe're communicating on right now. And and
that is not just in your headit, you know, because I've had

(29:47):
people say that as well, likeyou know, well, maybe God's just
showing you these things and it's justyou who can see it. Say no,
I can record this on film,you know some of the things that
I'm seeing anyway, and I canshow it in many cases and teach it
in a sense, because it hasto have this idea of repeatability, especially
if you're going to try to practiceit, Like, how do you practice

(30:11):
what is the practice of this supernaturalphenomenon, mentalism or whatever it is that
we're experiencing. How to manifest orcreate from this realm of infinite possibilities.
That's one way of looking at it. What would you say to that?
Yeah, for sure? And thescience behind it too. I want to
let's talk about that what ions didin ions noetics. There's two blog posts

(30:34):
if your listeners want to go dothem about the science behind us. Just
google upside Vision ions and you'll findit. One is written by me and
it's called is Upside Vision a psychicAbility? And the other one is written
by one of the neuroscientists about thepeer review paper. Right, And what's
really cool about it is the EEGwaves are like my brain when I'm doing

(30:57):
upsite like the Outlet's talk about thealpha waves because that was the biggest difference.
Now. Alpha waves are are arethe waves that come off your brain
when you're pretty much relaxed. Sowhen I was just thinking about one of
the images they showed me, andthey showed me an image, I would
think about it and use my memoryrecall and I would do that, and
then I would see it with upsite. When I was in Upsite during the

(31:19):
alpha wave straight state, it blewup like Rudolph's nose. It just went
off the charts. It did itin all the other waves too, but
the alpha wave was the most obvious, it was the most unambiguous. Well,
it was just you'll see if yousee the blog posts, it's just
like this big blue blob, likealmost like a storm's coming. What was
funny about that. I thought itwas going to be the theta waves because

(31:41):
that's what are associated with dreams.So I'm sitting there going into it,
like, you know what, thetheta waves is going to be off the
charts because it's kind of like dreamingand I'm seeing the things that people dream,
not the case. I mean,definitely they showed the difference, but
the alpha waves was the most.So that intrigued the scientists behind it too,
and obviously we wanted to do morescience studies around the EEG waves.
But to your point about another typeof technology seeing what you're talking about,

(32:06):
yeah, that's what my wife thinks. That's what my wife is so intrigued.
So she's like, you need todo this and you know, and
think about it. If there issome kind of technology. Again, I
don't have to be in a Idon't have to wait for it to happen.
I could sit there, they couldadjust whatever technology we use. I'm
like, okay, here's what I'mseeing. Are you getting it? You
know, we could kind of dialit in for lack of another words,
we could dial it in and seeif we could come up. I don't

(32:29):
know what the technology is, butI think there's some things out there with
infrared, with flair, all thesekind of things. Now to your point
about repeatability, you know, everyonesays, can you teach this? I'm
like, I don't want to tellsomebody I can teach something because I'm still
learning it. I'm starting to getcomfortable with it. And to me,
it's like singing. I think everybodycan do this to some degree. But

(32:52):
everybody is not Selene Deon, Everyonenot Teller Swift, Everyone's not Frank Sinatra,
you know what I mean. Somepeople. Whatever I've I've got it
to some kind of nth degree.Now, I think if another person has
it like I do. Like Iwas saying earlier, I think if we're
in the same room, I trulybelieve we would be able to see the
same image because I do think it'soutside of us. And I've got one

(33:15):
person I'm working with now. Idon't know if we're going to get together
because kind of far away, butin time we will. And again,
I think that's one of the reasonsI want to do this podcast. I
want to get people to come forwardand say this because this woman said her
mind. She told this when shewas kid her mom about it. She
goes, don't tell anyone that they'llthink you're crazy. You know people,
and it makes sense. You don'twant to be a odd ball freaking out.

(33:37):
And it's not only that, let'snot kid ourselves. It is scary,
right. I've seen every horrible thingthat one human being can do to
another in a holographic form. Whenit happens, I look away, just
like you'd look away from a videothat was shocking. But on the flip
side, I've seen beautiful things thatyou couldn't even imagine. That's open up
your heart and soul. You're likewow, So so there's a lot.

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That's a lot, But I dothink I don't I think it's I think
it's part of this earthly realm.That's what I want to say. I
think this is a new thing forus to explore. And just like when
you would go into a jungle ora forest, humans would go in there,
all these creatures would look at themright and and some of them would

(34:22):
pay attention and look back, butsome of them would completely ignore them.
The ones that look back when I'mwhen I'm doing this upside, those are
the ones that intrigue me because sometimesthey're scary, you know, Sometimes there's
an interaction and sometimes I'm like,look, I don't I don't want to
be a part of this. Soagain, I think there's other people that
are way doing it. Whether they'regovernment, I don't know. I think

(34:43):
other people do things that I don'tknow about. But I haven't been invited
to any of that studies or anything. I'm paving my own way, my
own way, at least I'm tryingto. I had a conversation with a
young lady at one of our retreatsthat we hosted just the other day,
and she opened up really vulnerably infront of everybody and shared her story and

(35:12):
it's and I sent her your interviewtoday and she was very intrigued, but
She shared about these experiences she hadwhen she was a kid of almost what
seemed to be like an alien abduction, being taken aboard some type of ship,
being laid on a table, maybebeing worked on or implants or something
like that, but also other experienceswhere she's ascending and going into a star

(35:39):
or sitting on a star. Andit's very strange because in your interview today
I heard you mentioned like both ofthose scenarios. Another vision that she had
that was super realistic, that shewas almost like teleported back and seeing her
living as Jesus walking on the beachand this really pure, beautiful energy that

(36:02):
was there. You know. Sothese weird night visions, if you will,
but they're more real than this realm. Some of them scary with alien
grays and being on the table,others of going into a star system.
She shared that, and and manypeople share those experiences with the realm that

(36:24):
I'm from. From more of atraditional Christian standpoint, people across the board
say those are demons. You needto pray shut it down immediately. It's
not good. What I represent issaying, hold on, we don't know,
you don't know that what if that'swhere we come from we're able to

(36:46):
and we're getting our DNA fixed.What if they're removing the trauma that this
world is causing and and we wasn'tsupposed to wake up and see what they
look like because we know they canappear as scary and it's not you know,
I'm not promoting any kind of likestuff like that, but it's just
to step back and not to judgeit at first so that we can ask

(37:09):
questions. Because that's the deal.If you're in a scenario, even if
it's an elusive dream where none ofit's literally happening, and you're going there
in this type of dimensional dream stateand you don't panic, maybe the first
seventeen times you panic at you havethe same And this is true with nightmares.

(37:30):
This is legit if you can poiseyourself in the nightmare and not freak
out and stop running from the thingthat's chasing you and stop and turn around
and say, hold on, whowhat are you to become lucid in the
dream? And now that now you'reyou're you're hacking it because the deceased relatives,

(37:53):
you can actually ask them questions.You can say, hold on,
I'm dreaming right now, let mego talk to the president, let me
go talk to the pharaoh. Andthe interesting thing is that people are bringing
back information. So with what theyoung lady is experiencing, what if this

(38:14):
is what's naturally she's experiencing and manypeople are experiencing. This is naturally what
people are have been writing about inholy books and in ancient tablets of these
so called psychic abilities or profits andseers of old being able to see what's
coming, or see behind behind theveil, or to will something and bring

(38:36):
it into this reality. Many placeswe can go with that, but I'll
let you take it. No,I think that's true. I think a
lot of people that anybody that saysit's demons, go out of it,
you know, stop doing it.They're just that's what they've been told,
you know what I mean. Andpeople hear that, But if you actually
had the experience, that's not thecase. Sometimes well no it is the

(38:57):
case. But there's another part thatkeeps throwing you back. And I want
to say this to it. It'simportant. So before I was a Christian,
before I did this, I wasa Christian. You know, you
sit there, well, do youthink Jesus walked the Earth even more now,
even more now because I know howextraordinary this planet is and how extraordinary
God is. So it did notdo anything to diminish my faith. In

(39:20):
fact, it made it stronger.Now. I'm not a really good Christian,
I don't going to church a lot, but I still have faith.
I still read the Bible, youknow, and it did not at all.
And sometimes I see silhouettes and youknow, of Jesus, and I
again, I'm just in awe.So so so let's talk about that.
You know, I think if you'retaught to be afraid, you're going to
be afraid. If you if somethinghappens to you, that's going to keep

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from that. I don't know howyou get past it. Faith something like
that. And if you don't wantto look, that's your journey. Fine.
You know the bottom line, youknow, do good love God like
love God with your whole body,mind and soul. That's the key.
Do no harm, don't do anyharm. If you think somebody is saying
that they're seeing demons, that's fine. Let them do their thing because they're

(40:06):
on their own journey. I don'tthink that's the case. Again. I
think just like in five hundred yearsago. They thought if we Columbus was
going to sail off the edge ofthe planet right because demons were over there.
Didn't happen. I think what we'reseeing is something that's here on Earth.
Maybe it's what we thought some spiritualthing beings were five hundred years ago.
Maybe it's the same thing. Maybethat's another realm. I don't know,

(40:29):
but I think we need to look. And I think the reason I
think we need to look is becausethere's some things here that can help humanity.
I am drawn to this in avery positive way. Nobody will.
I am drawn to this like acalling, like a spiritual calling. I'm
supposed to build a team and connectpeople because we need to look here because

(40:50):
there are answers here that will helpall of humanity connect in better ways.
You know, we've got AI overhere, and people are scared of that.
I call this EI polutionary intelligence.There's something over here that is drawing
me that will help us. Andthat's what it feels that way. I
feel it in my heart. Ifeel it in my soul now when I
see the scary things, right,when I see these creatures that you read

(41:14):
about from aliens. A lot oftimes they'll just drift away. A lot
of times it's like this fake thatit's like a it's like a mask and
it's and it's and it goes away. And there's another thing that happens too.
I'm tethered to God. I know, I've I feel my tether to
God. Let's call it a stringfor lack of another word. And I

(41:35):
know some of the some of themessages are so I know they're unfiltered,
and they're just amazing, you knowwhat I mean, when you're in that
spiritual moment of bliss. But Ialso sometimes when I'm on that tether,
something can jump in and corrupt itwith it like a corrupt file or a
corrupt message. So even though it'scoming through this path that typically I think
is with God, you're like,wait, this is bs, this is

(41:55):
not good. And you know theBible talks about Satan can get to you
the same way. So you know, you kind of built this filter,
this discernment. That's the word,right, And if it's if it's not
going to hurt anyone, if that'skind of a good sign, you know
what I mean, if it's gonnahelp everybody, not just most people,
but everybody. That's a good signtoo. So I don't have it down

(42:17):
path, don't get me wrong,you know, I'm still working on it.
And and this is this is whatI want to know. Where are
these Where are these holographic images comingfrom? Right, Derek? Where are
they coming from a spaceship? Arethey coming from a black op government program
we know nothing about. Are theycoming from future humans who've been able to

(42:37):
figure out how to send holographs tothe past. Are they coming from part
of my DNA and know nothing about? Right? Are they coming from other
beings that live here there? Idon't have any answer at all, and
that is really what I want toget. I think we can triangulate them
with the technology you're talking about,perhaps back to the source. Now that
would be mind blowing or would itbe scary? Right? Could that be

(42:59):
another scary I don't know, butI want to try. Well, you
know, I think the answer is, which is not an answer. It's
all of those things. Yeah,good, No, all of those things
happening at the same time. Andthat's what makes it way more complicated if
you can because any of the justgoogle any of those things you just said,

(43:19):
and you're gonna find schools of thoughtwho said who say that it's only
those things? And what I foundwith religion and with God and with answers
when you move forward into this isthe only thing or the only thing that's
happening that it is a government programthat's sending voice of God technology and they're
putting thoughts in people's heads. There'speople who they have one hundred percent chips

(43:42):
in that and that's the only thingthat's happening in their reality. I'm not
saying that that that technology doesn't exist. They claim that it does, but
for that to be the only thingthey learned it from something. So if
it is a government agency, theyit's mimicked from a natural psychic phenomena that

(44:04):
has been here since since we gothere, you know. And it would
be the same thing. For ifyou're saying that these things or these practices
are demonic, nothing is demonic.For what if it's a law or a
process of creating something or tapping inpsychically energetically to somebody's what somebody's feeling,

(44:27):
putting thoughts in people's minds, whatever, they learned that from a place,
a place that was first good.So if demons or negative entities or negative
people. Negative entities that are controllingpeople or organizations can use it for evil,
then good people and good good entitiescan use it the same process for

(44:50):
good. Most of these things thatwe're talking about, these practices and stuff,
they're tools your imagination to renew yourmind because you've said you've seen beautiful
things and grotesque things, like so, like, how do we lean more
maybe to that which is beautiful whenyou know that there's a distinction, or
not be scared. So these arethe things that we have to bring to

(45:14):
the table and talk about so thatwe can have repeatability. It's with synchronicity,
is it? Is it? It'salmost like, I don't know what
you want to call it, God, angels. Your psyche can only use
what you put in in there,like that what your consciousness understands from the

(45:37):
movies you've watched, because fear andthat which is grotesque is different for me
and and you depending on the horror. I was a horror movie fanatic as
a kid, and I had nightmares. All kids have nightmares, I can
guarantee you they weren't like mine,you know, because of like at a
very young age, watching all ofthese crazy horror Now, my imagination has

(46:01):
a lot to choose from when itcomes to show fear or show beauty.
Fear for some is falling off abike in slow motion. Oh, it's
gonna hurt when I fall. Forme, at a young age, it
was different. I learned how tolose a dream early because I wanted to

(46:21):
escape those nightmares that I was havingthat I allowed to come. So I
learned to work within some type ofparameters of it being a thing. Hey,
I know I'm dreaming. I knowthere's a monster chasing me, and
I need to figure out how towake up. I figured that out at
like before ten years old, fromnot reading any books any of that.

(46:46):
By hey, let me kill myselfin my dream and I wake up and
it would happen. I didn't wantto be captured by the monsters and torment
it. So I built a muscleto anytime I was having a dream that
wasn't pleasant to say, Okay,they're about to get you. You got
to wake up. And I couldn'twake up unless I killed myself, swam

(47:08):
to the bottom of the a riverand drowned myself, or dove dove headfirst
into a rock usually and it wouldhappen, and that was a practice,
so but it was used for evil. If you can go into the dream
and tap into it and know thatyou're dreaming, and how do we use

(47:30):
it for good? How do Igo talk to somebody of some kind of
answer that I'm perplexed with in thewaking hours. The studies that have shown
from people a lot smarter than me, that when you do face those fears
in the dream state, that youshow that you've overcome obstacles in the when

(47:52):
you're when you're awake, and manytimes those dreams never, those nightmares never
come back. Once you stop runningand you face it and you kind of
get learned the lesson, it becomesa practice like Okay, yeah, I
don't need to take that test anymore. So a lot of this stuff that
we're seeing and experiencing, we getto I think, we get to pick

(48:15):
what we want to lean into,because just like you, like we talking
about a million thoughts per moment thatthat you know of endless scenarios that we
can lean into, the ones thatmake us feel good, the one that
has the best outcome for everybody,the one that where nobody gets hurt.

(48:35):
This is what's what's happening obviously inyour imagination, but it's different when you
see it in you're experiencing it likeit's real, because there's a difference there.
Because this is something you talked abouttoo that leans into all of this,
is that it comes with a feeling, a feeling that can be measured.
There's a reason why when you havethose visions, it's your kids and

(49:00):
it's not just random people. There'sa different feeling and emotion that is invoked
in your body that can be measured. That they can put EEG machines on
and test this, and you canthere's all kinds of ways to test this.
This is where religion comes in thepiece and all of this kind of
stuff. That it's a feeling thatcan be invoked in a person or a

(49:23):
people and can be harnessed and usedas energy. Yeah, I know I'm
not. That's good. That's good. That's absolutely true. And then think
about this. The feeling was sothis these non human intelligences that seem to
be around us. Right, thiswoman that you talked about who had chose

(49:44):
abducted, perhaps I was never abducted. There was no there's no part of
my story where I felt like Iwas taken out of a room or anything
like that. But but but butlooking back, I feel like I may
have been coheresd to le the familybecause I needed to be separated from them
and spend a month on Saint John'sfor some reason. There's a chapter in

(50:07):
my book where I built I literallybuilt a map of a galaxy in their
room using ropes, strings, clothes. I drew pictures all hanging from a
fan that the cleaning people were like, stay out of this crazy man's room,
Just stay out of there. AndI was, you know again again
this time I was high a lot, but I was just doing something and
I don't know why I had tobe away from the kids. So in

(50:29):
the family, that's what it.I mean, looking back, that seems
to us when I was there,I was really sad. I was depressed.
I was all these things. Butsomething was changing inside of me,
and so the feeling. So thinkabout this. So now let's say it's
a guy. Something happened where Ihad to go through this and everything break
so I could get my feelings backand realize that, Okay, you know

(50:51):
what, that's not a true thought, that's a feeling but I don't have
to own that feeling, you knowwhat I mean? That's a lot.
This message is coming in this way, but I know it's bs and and
again. So when you feel likeit's kind of weird to say this,
but there's ten ways to be sad, there's ten ways to feel joy.

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You know. That's how nuanced itis now. It's like almost I developed
this, this feelings filter, that'sthat's been amplified. I think people with
autism might have something like this,you know what I mean, They can't
there, they get over stimulated.Something like that may have happened to me.
I don't know, though, youknow, but I know this.

(51:35):
My brain is different from where itstarted and where it is now. And
you talked about fractals earlier. WhenI came out of this, I was
obsessed with maths because there's no shape, topological space, manifold that I cannot
see in my field of vision anddissect and cut up. And it's extraordinary.
It is extraordinary. I've built thismulti dimensional coordinate system that puts the

(51:58):
Cartesian coordinate system to shame. Itis so complex. The math on it
is pretty basic undergraduate math, butthe system itself is complex. Why was
I Why was I driven to createthis thing? And it took years to
build it. It was like agamification thing where I couldn't get to the
next level of this thing until Igot this one right. Then it was
the next one, and then itwas the next one. Finally, a

(52:20):
couple of years ago, I wasdone and I was like and he literally
physically, I was like, Wow, this is done. Now what I
haven't built it in real life.I have not created a software around it.
I'm very seriously thinking about doing itbecause it is next level cool.
But but there was a guy andthen I'll be quite a minute, a
guy named Tenant, who was hewas a Tenant, maybe Jeffrey Tennant.

(52:42):
He was knocked out, he wasmugged. When he woke up, he
saw these fractals everywhere, you know, he just saw fractals. I think
I had this. I have somethinglike that happened to me. But it
was fractals and beyond, you knowwhat I mean. It's not just that
I see the images of the people. It's almost like he knocked on the
windshield and cracked. I knocked onthe windshield and it broke through. Something
like that. Maybe so the theidea of what you're vibing in and what

(53:06):
you're putting out there. You know, there's there's the what's the word?
If you what's it? Just it'sa bland feeling, you know what I
mean, just kind of facts,right, It's just the basic math has
got no feelings. It just isright. And that's interesting because a lot
of the stuff I want to dois got no feeling. It's just something
that is. I want to seeit because I'm curious and it's interesting to

(53:27):
my brain. Now, sure itintrigues me and there's a curiosity around it,
so I certainly that's a feeling.But but anyway, I'll stop on
that one. H Man, It'sso many places to go. But like
you said, it feel like you'reso you say you feel like it's it's
your calling, right, this isyour calling. So a calling denotes that

(53:49):
someone is calling out to you.And I think it's the you know,
getting to the bottom of who orwhat. And maybe it's not even just
one thing, you know, maybethere are bad things calling us. Obviously
it seems easier to hear their voices. Maybe to hear those voices, all
we gotta do is turn on thetelevision, you know, and maybe it
is separating yourself and turning the televisionoff that you can get clear on the

(54:13):
still small voice that is speaking aswell, which obviously is you know,
biblically, always Jesus speaking amongst thecrowd. That's always the voice of reason,
the voice of love, the voiceof hope that I think if we
listen close enough, we can hearit. So when it comes to people
having these same experiences, you know, we can. We can choose what

(54:35):
voices we obey. You know,I'm hearing voices. What are they telling
you? What are they telling you? You know, saying if it's God,
God told me this, God toldme that. Okay, what told
you? What? Good? Bad? You know? Told you you are
the Messiah that come on. Likewe got to look at the fruit of
it to see if if you shouldlean into it or if you should stop

(54:58):
listening. And by voice we canjust say imagination, you know, it's
showing itself to you. However,I mean, I'm getting these messages like
in my inbox from people all thetime. Somebody asked me just three days
ago, uh, do you haveany videos on schizophrenia in the spirit world?

(55:20):
So well, I don't have anyany directly about that, but I've
talked about it in many episodes,right, but there's no you know,
blog or just video to it.But I told them this, and maybe
you can attest a little bit thatwhat I've seen from starting out in a
psychosist that was in the negative.I'll say that my introduction to this was

(55:45):
witchcraft, which it wasn't drugs likeI smoked pot or whatever. But I
was a teenager doing witchcraft and seanceritual, was trying to open myself up
to demonic forces or any force outsideof myself. And it happened that I
was taking into portals and showing crazystuff at their will. I couldn't turn

(56:08):
it off and on. It wasalways scary, crazy swirls, shapes,
faces, seventeen voices at once talkingto me, I would go pale.
I would fall into a trance andthis would happen at fifteen and it was
torment. I was going schizophrenic.I opened up some kind of gateway communication
portal that I couldn't close, sopsychic abilities from zero two one thousand,

(56:36):
not even one hundred, I kneweverybody's thoughts in a room walking to a
room, Oh my, And it'sso overwhelming that I couldn't look at anybody.
I knew what they were thinking,I knew what they did. I
knew what you had for dinner.I knew you just got into it with
your husband in walking into a McDonald's. This was like psychosist that I was
at rock bottom at fifteen years oldby making covenants with demons, if you

(57:00):
will. And so I got intochurch. I repented. You know,
my health started to go downhill andall this kind of stuff. I got
my life back on track. Tooka long time, long, hard road
to retrain my brain. But letme let me just hang out here a
little bit in that psychosis. Letme give you a few more things believing

(57:25):
a thousand percent scenarios were real.The one thing that I talked about was
what I called the spirit of hypochondria. Was that any ailment that I heard
on the television through the waves,just channel surfing, and I remember just
a couple vividly brain cancer like someonesaid it on television, and I believed

(57:52):
that a thousand percent as soon asthey said, oh I got brain cancer.
Oh man. Another one was testicularcancer. Like all of these from
someone else saying it, and itstuck to me like glue, and it
was negative and it was like thisoverwhelming I'm gonna die of brain cancer.
I've got it, I know it. That's why that pain is in my
head. And it was just atwill you would hear it, and there

(58:15):
was like no defense. There wasno wall of reasoning to block it out
or to say, come on,that guy has it not you? You
know this kind of thing, andso it was. It was, I
mean, that's what a hypochondriact is. There was nothing in my brain to
block it out, to reason it. And while I was in that psychosis

(58:37):
for the period of time I wasin, it was all scary dark stuff.
It was, you know, visionsof my death and demons were coming
to get me and all of thatkind of stuff that people experience on meth
binges and stuff like that. Youknow. I say all that to say
that was if I had a chart, which I do, you know,

(59:01):
maybe we all start out at zero. And let's say I got to that
place at negative three. Me tappinginto this stuff that I was looking into
put me at level negative three.So I'm already three steps back into the
dark side, into the the youknow, the negative side, experiencing all
of this crazy stuff. And thennow that was over twenty years ago,

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removed. I'm in a beautiful stateof mind and life and God and Christ
and that which is good and fixingmyself and trying my best to help others.
Like now, but the psychosis isback. The psychosis is still.
It's back, like I trained toget it, to get it out,

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but it's here now. I experiencedsynchronicity. I experienced the beautiful side of
it, where not God and thedemons or trying to get me no,
but that they are real and they'rehere to help me. They're here to

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you know, signs and symbols.See signs everywhere you say something and then
the television repeats it like that washappening in the negative psychosis. But it
was like you're gonna die, yougot cancer. It was all demonic lower
stuff. Now it's like, hey, call your mother, Hey, ask
this person to forgive you, Hey, do this, Like it's all beautiful

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things that everybody. Not so manypeople are experiencing secrenicities at an all time
high. The numbers that are stickingout to you, all of this stuff.
It's happening. But so what I'msuggesting is that what was available for
me just at my meter at negativethree, and then I work my way

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back to zero and now I'm workingup into tapping into this stuff the good
way that they come circle. Sothose same type of psychosis that you're in
because you're you're experiencing a reality thatthat nobody else is. You think now
you it's the difference between paranoia andpronoia. That's that's literally it. Paranoia

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is that God, the universe isout to get you. Everyone is out
to get you. And if youthink that, you believe it, you
dwell upon it. It becomes yourreality. And now pronoia is God,
the universe, everything is here toassist and to help us in this journey.

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Yeah, not Messiah complex. We'relike, no, no, no,
not at all there for me.But but yeah, so we're experiencing
this stuff and obviously it can beexperienced for good energy or for bad.
And you know, the balance isthe key to not drink your own kool
aid, which is turns into theMessiah complex. But those types of psychic

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abilities, if you will esp precognition, prophetic dreams, A lot of the
stuff. You're talking about being ableto see, Like, I am friends
with so many people and have beena part of communities that practice it that
way. But they look at peopleand they get the messages and they see

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snakes around the feet, chains ontheir shoulders that are heavy, and so
they pray for them or go andeven remove it off of them, like
spiritually reach out and grab it andtake the chains off and throw it down,
and then the person starts crying andthey can feel it. It's like,
hold on, there's something to thesedreams and visions that are in the

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spirit world that represents something in thephysical. Yeah, that was great.
That was a great description of theparanoid of the pronoid. And that's yeah,
and that's my story too, nokidding, that's literally my story too,
because that's why I walk down tothe family. That's why I walk
down in the business, because Iwas paranoid, and I believe just like
you some thought it, you believeit, you take action on it.
Now these things and then I writeabout this instance in the book, an

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instance of synchronicity that was so mindblowing that I fell to my knees because
I was listening to the song Blindedby the Light by Bruce Springsteen. Right,
I'm listening to the song, andevery piece of everything around me was
related to the song. So imaginelike you used to have to block a
movie to get the moments and thesong. So the beats hit and stuff.

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This happened like for like thirty secondsof the song. Everything that happened
to. Truck drove by with somethingon the side related to the song.
A man literally picked up something putover shoulder. I was almost in tears,
and I thought people at then,I thought people were making fun of
me and mocking me, like anybodycan watch me, and they're making fun
of me, and with these powerfulpeople are beings. Now I look back,

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I'm like, hold on, thatwas a sign to let you know,
forget paranoia. There's a way theuniverse can help you. I'm showing
you this now because you only it'salmost like we're kind of dumb, like
a dumb animal. Right, youneed to see the negative to understand that
there's a flip side of that too. But like you, the universe is
definitely showing me things. Now doI want to pay attention to those things?

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That's the key? Am I openenough? Do I trust myself enough
to trust the universe that's going togive me. What is it? My
need is a god's need. Idon't know if it feels right. You
know, I do think we havefree will. I do. I think
we have free will. And allof us have different parameters. Where some
of us are. You know,we'll do more things bad than others,
however we want to do. Somepeople do more good. Some people will

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volunteer more. Some people have morebusiness sense, some people are smarter,
stronger. But but we have freewill. And if there's somebody listening to
this, I want to say thisright now because it's important. If you're
at a bottom and you're listening tothe show to get some guidance, I'm
telling you you can come back.If you are at a negative three and
you're outside of psych ward and you'retaking ahead of math right now, there

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is a way back, and youcan put it down and you can get
clean, and you can build backto things and it can be better.
Whether you believe it or not,I'm telling you it's true. If it
happened for me, it can happenfor you. Because I didn't think there
was going to be a way back. You know I did not. I
think I mean not only drug addict, but psychotic drug addict. Sure,
And I'm cleaning sober, and Ihave these amazing thoughts. You know again,

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you just said a great description.The universe is helping me. It's
connected us, Derek. The universe, for whatever reason, is connected us.
And you said some things that Ineeded to hear to say today,
which we're good. I love theway you put it. And I'm talking
to somebody else. This is what'sso funny about the connection. I'm literally
talking to somebody else about synchro inthe city. I have a phone call

(01:05:44):
with them, a zoom call withthem tomorrow to talk about the same time
thing. We're like, how canthe universe could be guiding us to this
path? It seems like should wetrust this? It's like why not?
Why not trust? The good thingsare going to happen, you know?
But last absolutely is nobody again,do no harm, don't hurt you know
what I mean? The love thing, right, don't don't. It's like
the universe is telling me to stealthis money because no, it's not that's

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not that's not right. That's probablynot a good thing to do. So
yeah, that was good. Thatwas good, and I think let me
let me ask you this, soI know you gave the scenario for the
song that you heard that was likeyou interpreted as you know, an attack
or this you know, mockery orthat it was negative you know when you

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started. Now are you having thoseexperiences now where the song or the television
or whatever is telling you this timemessage is like, hey, I'm on
the right track. This is likeencouraging now and this is bringing me peace
or a tear to my eye,letting me know that I'm you know whatever,
loved by God through Yes. Solet's let's I'm gonna do the most
literal simple thing. So let's justsit and sitting there, God give me

(01:06:50):
a sign. Let's se if Iwant to get this direct, God give
me a sign that I should,I should do something. And then literally
there will be a truck or abillboard that says, God says, follow
your dreams, just do it.Yeah, exactly right right then in that

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moment. And it can even bethat's a broad one. It could be
so specific, you know, itshould it would be something should I let's
say about specific. Should I gosee my son and I'll think of his
name tomorrow and there'll be a billboardwith his name on it and says said,
you know something like that. It'sthat specific. So I totally believe
it, and I do believe it'sGod, the universe guide to me.
I don't believe it. I knowit because I see it and I feel

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it. That's the key. Ifeel it. There's extra physical that we
are connected to the people's skeptics andand you know whatever, skeptics don't want
to believe in. But it's nonsense. It's like, it's nonsense. You
did it's nonsense. I don't know, it's just it is nonsense. There's
so much more come on. It'salmost like it's these people that say this.

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Here, I'll use this example.They're like, well, how can
you be getting these things from theuniverse. Listen, we have radio waves,
Wi Fi, Bluetooth going through theuniverse from one technology to another.
Right when it's traveling, you don'tsee it. When it lands you,
it's interpreted. We are picking upthese signals from the universe, and I
don't again, I don't know wherethey're coming from. Some are good,

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some are bad, Some may beman made, some may be non human
intelligence. Some may be God.But it's kind of fun when it happens
where I am now, it's fun. It was not fun twelve years ago.
I can promise you that being onthis journey feels good because I know
I'm doing it for the right reasons. You know, I'm and again,
it's just right. What's that there'snot enough hours in the day, right,

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right? Exactly? I want.I know people have upsight vision to
some degree, they have the psychicability, and I don't want to be
afraid of it. And yeah,that's it again, that's what That's what
I want to say. That's whyI wanted to talk to And there's science
behind it too. That's the otherthing for the skeptics. There's science behind
it. It's not just something Ithink think I'm doing. I'm absolutely doing
it. I went to ions,they did it, and more tests can

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be done, you know. Iwant to get a bigger data set.
I want to get twelve off,maybe not twelve, a handful of us
out there, and then I thinkother universities are going to want to read.
Imagine once this is out there,another university is gonna say, okay,
let's duplicate this in another lab.Sign me up, find me to
France, put me in up ina five star hotel and send me to
your lab and I'll do this allday long. Yeah, there's a lot

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of beautiful things that you've brought tothe table. And what people are,
you know, bringing to the tablebecause of your work, because you're having
the conversation and bringing and bringing differentpieces of the puzzle. And that's the
beautiful thing. And I think thatyou know, I mean, you've you've
already you've already done it for me, you know, listening to you speak
and hopefully vice versa. Well,let me let me let me say this

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so again with like being able topractice, that's a that's a big thing.
I'm seeing that consistency. Like I'ma student of the Bible. That's
my that's my book, you know. But I read all the Holy Text
and I find the similarities and they'reall saying the same thing, just using
different languages. It is what itis. But there's these instances where these

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miracle workers are trained up on howto do something. And it's a miracle
because the science isn't understood by themasses. It is a person who has
separated themselves Moses goes into the desert. God comes to him, speaks to
him, begins to train him andtalk to him through everything around him,
and he trains him on how todo certain things, how to move water,

(01:10:39):
how to hit rocks, and todo like to work with energy and
spirits. Right. But one ofthose things about that is that he allowed
him to practice because there was therewas an instance in an Exodus where God
tells Moses to take a staff,throw it at the ground, and I'm
going to teach you how to turnyour staff into a serpent or a dragon,

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That's what it says. So hethrows it at the ground, and
his staff becomes this serpent, andit it morphs, and it changes forms,
and it scares the heck out ofMosus so much so that he runs
away screaming. This is what theBible says. He runs away screaming,
oh my God, this little manlike we don't know if it was a
three foot tall reptilian being he summoned, or literally a little dragon or a

(01:11:28):
snake or whatever. There's some crocodile, but it scared him so much so
that he ran. God comes tohim, speaks to him, says,
hey, I need you to dothis again, because what I'm training you
for You're not going to be ableto run. You need to stay in
your ground and make eye contact withthe people who claim to be the best

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magicians of you know, in theland, which was Pharaoh. I'm training
you so that when you're doing thisin front of Pharaoh, you can look
him dead in the eye. Throwyour staff down. It turns into this
little dragon and you don't even battery. Everybody's freaked out, but you're confident.
I want you to. I wantyou to work with this in private

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so that I can show my powerin you in the public right. So
that denotes this universal principle that Godis teaching his children these things, and
it's also given them the permission tofail and practice so that they can get
better at it. With these littlechurch groups and functions that I used to

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go to were training and the prophetic, and there was many exercises that they
developed and that we would do,and that they wrote books on it,
and they tried it because sometimes itwould work, other times it wouldn't.
But those who were willing to practiceand had the grace to mess up and
not be judged or condemned to beatup about it. They could try it

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again and say, Okay, thatdidn't work that time, and let me
try it this way. Maybe asI have to see it, actually see
it, and then maybe I haveto generate a feeling, and then the
feeling gives it life. I don'tknow, but they would be able to
do little things as far as likego two people would go park at different
places in the city and they wouldhave to kind of remote view and see

(01:13:16):
the image where their friend was anddrive in their vehicle to go to the
location to find them. And theywould show up at a park or they
would see things around and they wouldget good at it. And these were
Christians. This is something that waspastors and ministers were doing because they read
about Jesus and Moses and the disciplesoperating in such gifts if you will,

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that they thought that they can doit, and they got good at it.
So this practicing is something that needsto be done, and I think
we can look back at those examplesand try it today. So I wanted
to try something out with you andwith the listeners. People listening, people
driving uh, sitting around wherever theyare. I am thinking of a number

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between one and nine. It's asingle digit number. I'm looking at it,
I'm saying it to myself, andit's okay to mess up. It's
okay to get it wrong. Butwhat I would ask is what number do
you see? The first thing youeither heard or saw, because just as

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you're seeing this right, other peoplecan hear it, and then other people
have to close their eyes and theysee this number. Do you have?
Do you want to take a shot? Yeah? Nine, that's why shot
nine. Okay, it wasn't nine, it wasn't nine. But it's okay

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to mess up because that's how wepractice. Yeah, So can I talk
about that? Can I say somethingabout that? Because you have the number
the numbers too, I don't know. We're trying to get the science.
Let's talk about that a big deal. So I'm glad you did this.
I'm so glad you did this becauseI get asked about this all the time,

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and I even do try to doit with my wife and we get
sometimes that we don't. And again, I saw the number nine. I
didn't even see I kind of,I mean, I don't get me.
I tried to dial in with you, but I saw the number nine.
I don't know why it will workand why it won't. I do know
this. It seems to work betterif I am in a physical location with

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them, or maybe if it's rubbedoff even some kind of contact with them.
I'm gonna tell this story. Theother day. I was in an
office building with a guy who wantedto learn about this, and we were
going to the office and he goes, can you do an example of upsite
vision. I said, I'll doit, but it's gonna be meaningless.
I mean, I said, it'smore likely you're not gonna understand what's going

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on and you're just gonna say,well, that's weird. But I will
do it to show you what itis. Right, So I did it.
I turned my head and I'm like, okay, this is what I'm
seeing. And I told him Iwas seeing a brand new sports car on
the showroom floor and I'm like,look, I don't know what it means.
It means nothing to me. Heliterally pulls out his phone and he
says, I just bought a sportscar. See, so I don't know.

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I'm not I have not practiced thatability. Because I haven't practiced I
play with it, so there's differencebetween practicing and playing. I play with
that. I play with pre COG, I play with remote viewing, I
play with tempath, play with tempathy, telepathy and all those things. I
play with those things. But mygoal is I don't play with upsight because

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I can do it so specifically.I can do that one of the time.
As it relates to those other abilities, it's less so. So my
my thing is, let's study exactlywhat this is and then we can apply
it to remote viewing, then wecan apply it telepathy. That's where that's
where I am. And I obviouslyI thought about this a lot. You

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know, I think remote view,remote view. Of course, it's real.
Of course it's real. How canit not be real? I mean,
nobody make I mean, do youthink it was just some imagination?
These people doing it? You thinkthe government is you know, paying,
I don't know who they're doing with. Some guys in the army or in
the CAIA where they're they're doing thisbecause it doesn't work. No, they're
doing it because it works. Othercountries know this. They just don't talk

(01:17:24):
about it because it's probably smarter tonot talk about it from the military perspective,
and it's probably smarter to everyone thinksit's not you know what I mean,
it's not. You can't do itbecause they want to keep it a
secret. And even the same thingwith religions, Derek, you know these
religions. Imagine if the religious leaders, I mean Jesus talked about this,

(01:17:44):
they're bad, right? Were allthe congregants to know that the leaders are
bad. I'm not saying they are, but it's like the worst thing they
want. So I don't know,it's it's I don't know. It's interesting.
So you have to be able tofail. You have to be able
to fail. And I love theway you looked at that, and I
love that we did it. Let'sdo another thing I wanted. Can I

(01:18:04):
do something? Yeah? Yeah,all right, okay, so all right,
great, let's do this. I'mgonna do an upside vision right now,
and I'm going to describe it toyou right so, for whoever's listening,
driving in a car or at home, whatever, I'm going to relate
to this, it may relate towhat we're talking, Derek and I are
talking about, but in fact mayrelate to you sitting at home in the

(01:18:27):
kitchen table, watching your child playwith blocks and If it does, you
can say, wow, that wasamazing, and if it doesn't, no
big deal. So here we go. I'm going to tell you what I'm
seeing right now with upside vision.It is, in fact, it's it's

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a it's not a race car.It's a drag racer. You know those
drag racers, the short ones.It's a drag race that's literally what I'm
saying. One of those pointy dragracing cars. And it's got it's up
on its back wheel and the backwheels are spinning. That's it now.
Obviously that was probably suggested on mypart when I was talking about the other
sports car, which was not adrag race car, was a car,

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you know, for the street.But so I don't know what it means
right, I don't know if somebodyactually can you imagine if somebody's listening to
this literally working on drag race car, they're gonna be like, holy shit,
that's I mean, that's just wild. So let us know in the
comments. Yeah, for sure,if it's happening anything to anyone, or
even if you're thinking, if youwere thinking, I mean, if you
were thinking I'm going to do thisthis weekend or something or talking to a

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loved one about it. It's justwild how this works. It's a connection
to something and it's to show usthere's so much more than this physical realm,
and it's important and it's meaningful andit can help us navigate life and
make it easier for us and ourloved ones. That's the key, man,
That is the key. Life ishard. I mean, life is

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hard, you know, and it'sgetting harder. It's just it's hard.
So anything that can make take alittle bit easier, I'm all for it,
you know. I again with withthe Bible stuff or you know,
spirituality and things like that, Ireally teach on divination, but from a

(01:20:13):
biblical sense mainly. I use thatword a lot because there's a shock value
to it because people, you know, have been taught to demonize divination because
demons are the first thing that cometo them. But prayer is a form
of divination, fasting doing something inthe physical or perceiving something in the in
the physical to get results from thespirit world, including God and angels.

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I mean, that's the that's thedefinition of of divination, as one who
is able to divine, even awatered uh diviner, a person is able
to use their body and tell wherewater is, even underground, divining rods
where they're trained to use these rodsand the rods move a certain type of
way. Literally people able to findwater underground. So divine. But there's

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so many amazing like so many waysthat are in the Bible, but also
every other ancient text and practice aswell. Talk about some really cool stuff.
But I define it in a sensewhere it's the sense of God is
always talking. You're just getting goodat hearing the voice of God that is

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speaking through everything or through the differentlanguages. There's a saying that says nothing
cannot not communicate. Nothing cannot notcommunicate, which implies everything is always communicating.

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It's saying something your ability to speakthe language and to hear because it
is one of your words. Nonverbal. It is nonverbal communication because it doesn't
speak English, or it doesn't usewords. It uses thoughts, impressions.

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Ideas babies communicate. They don't usewords. They cry. You talked about
it. One of your visions.You kept seeing a wheel fall off on
a shopping cart. Squeaky. Thesqueaky wheel is communicating it needs oil or

(01:22:32):
it's going to fall to fall offyour Your stomach communicates and lets you know
when it's such rumbling that it's it'shungry. Everything is always communicating through vibration,
which which words are vibration, Soit's learning how to interpret and speak
the language that uses no words.This is something that is very ancient that

(01:22:58):
we have forgotten about that it's obviouslycoming back in one shape or form that
something's this is what I say aboutsynchronicity. Something is trying to get our
attention. Something or some one agreed. Do you still have that ability to

(01:23:19):
to know if sony enters a roomwhether they're bad or good or do you
still have that? Yeah? Butit's a there's levels to it because some
people are great at masking if they'rebad or good. There's a certain you
know, energy that we can readthat even children can pick up right that

(01:23:41):
people like children just are scared orrepulsed by certain people, and people don't
know why you're able to pick upsomething. But what I'm learning now now
forty years into this life, isthat there's people that are good at masking
that energy and not not allowing youto see that they're bad because you like

(01:24:04):
being like a good judge of characterfor just a common thing. Yeah,
but a good a good evil personwho's good at it. You know that
you're bad, you know, No, it's fine. The reason I thought
about that when you were telling aboutMcDonald's, you to say all the thoughts
were coming at you. Since I'vecome out of this, it's not a

(01:24:25):
thought, it's it's a feeling.It's almost like a smell. It's not
a smell either, but you getwhat my point is. I've had come
across two people who have been inmy presence that I knew they were evil
and have done They've murdered people.I had a guy sitting next to me
at an AA meeting and I waslike, and this guy was talking like,
oh I love this. I'm like, this guy is literally there might

(01:24:46):
even be a body in his car. He was so evil, right,
he was saying this other thing.And another time I was at a GNC
and the man that was helping me, I was like, this was a
different he was. I don't knowif he was like a child molester or
he had somebody same kind of things. He was doing evil things, and
those both terrified me. And I'vetold my wife that every time it happens,
which has only happened twice two timesin a dozen years. And she's

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like, Tom, you need tothink about that. That's pretty good statistics
that people are good. You know, You've come across a lot of people
in twelve years. And I likethe way she thinks about it. But
my point is that ability is scarybecause what can you do with that,
you know, because I don't know. You know, it's not like you
want to get You're not going togo to the cops and say, this
guy's sitting next to me, Ithink he killed people. No, they're

(01:25:30):
not going to do anything. It'sjust weird. And it was so fleeting
too, it's like you to followup on it. But I was wondering
if you have that ability still,yeah, for sure, And I'm with
you. It's like, okay,what do we you know, what do
we do with it? And withthings that you don't know how or what
to do with it? So theeasy thing or the first thing that because
a lot of people get that andyou don't know what to do with it,

(01:25:53):
do you confront them whatever the caseis. You know, we're you
know, we were taught to prayfor them first of all, like pray
for them, or pray for thevictim, pray for the people to start,
just just start there, because thatthat prayer is is you know,
it's invoking something in you. Sowhen when you're praying, then you may

(01:26:14):
get more because we're all getting theseWe're all getting these feelings. I'll tell
you right now, Like a lotof things that Elon Musk is doing I
thought about as a child. Stuffthat he's doing, neurolink, all this
kind of stuff like being able toput helmets on and have the same dreams
and go into each other's visions.Like we've been seeing this stuff as a
child. So it's it's in theair, this energy, this information.

(01:26:40):
Some people call it the Acostic andthe Bible. It's called the Book of
Life. It's it records the deedsand every thought and every infinite possibilities exist
that we can that that trickles downto us and we can pick up on
these thoughts and energies and information.It's I'm experiencing it right now in a

(01:27:01):
form where like it was kind ofscary because I know all of this wild
ancient wisdom of how the spirit realmworks, and I study this stuff and
I'm into it and it's my life. But it shifted and took like a

(01:27:21):
a crazy turn, probably almost twoyears ago now where it like it got
real, like it's all beautiful though, and I'm just writing and writing and
writing and stuff. It's just pouringout of me. It's a form of
like automatic writing, but it's insightson the Bible and so much ancient text,
and it's a form of psychosis becausenow here I am, I don't

(01:27:44):
have I can't cite sources to meas the experiencer. I'm making it up.
And I gotta be honest with myselfon how I feel. I believe
it one thousand percent. It's allgood. But I'm like, man,
how do I what's going on?Because at first the energy to experience it
like what's happening was insane. Andthen I got all of these cool things.

(01:28:08):
I don't know what to do withit. They're just a part of
you know, God is teaching me. I'll just leave it to that,
the angels, whatever. But eventuallyI started to be able to figure out
where the stuff was coming from.I thought, I literally thought I was
making all of this stuff up.So there was a lack of confidence with

(01:28:28):
me sharing any of this as truth, because I'm just these concepts I've come
up with. I was led toand am continually being led to philosophers,
ancient mystics, most of them ancientChristians who were around in the seventeen hundreds
fifteen hundreds, who wrote books onall of this stuff, but died with

(01:28:53):
their work, and they died withit, and nobody was around to carry
the torch to bring it further.And then you come into alignment with Okay,
we've been teaching you, we've beenguiding you, and you're now ready
for the next steps. And whenthe student is ready, the teacher appears.
I'm telling you all of these crazythings that I have been writing about.

(01:29:15):
I have been able to cite thesources and honor the vessel who brought
it as far as they did.I've got their names, I've got their
books, all of this stuff.And the first one was so crazy that
I cracked the book open and readjust two or three pages before I went
to bed one night and put thebook beside my bed, and I didn't

(01:29:40):
touch it for months. I'm aslow reader. And then I'm as I
finally picked the book back up monthslater everything that I wrote was in the
next four chapters that I ended AncientChristianity by Annie Bassan, and I'm like,
my god, oh, and thennow it's like, now it's a

(01:30:02):
thing. Let me so as I'mgoogling some of these terms in research and
that I'm coming up with, I'mable to find Jewish mystics and who taught
on all of this stuff that I'mlike, Okay, I'm going crazy again,
you know, like how do youknow these things? Like you want
to honor the source, but I'mtrying to I'm trying to make sure that

(01:30:23):
I'm not falling into another psychosis.But mind you, it is psychosis because
you're writing in front of a keyboardand there's information just being downloaded to you.
You go to sleep and you wakeup and you know all of this
stuff that doesn't seem normal too.I think psychosis has a negative connotation.
We download A download is more neutral, right, I mean, it's cool.

(01:30:45):
I think you do have a download. I think that obviously would I
think you just said it. It'sreal. You're you're picking up something and
you're writing it and coming through it. You know, it's a it's a
it's an amazing thing. But we'vegot so many similar stories. It's wild,
you know what I mean. It'swild, and I like the uh.
I like the vibe that it brings. And it's like, you know,

(01:31:06):
you you got this thing, youlined it up. This person from
five hundred years ago is over here. You're here now, all of a
sudden boom, you lined it up. Now you're going forward with it.
I don't know. It's really reallycool. And that is real, and
it's a download is safe, it'sit's psychosis is a negative turn, you
know what I mean. Yeah,something is open up to you and you're
willing to receive it again. Thething is it's with an open heart and

(01:31:29):
a caring heart and a loving heart, and and it's not evil. You
know. That's the key. Andyou said this a moment earlier. I
wanted to come back to it abouthow and everybody says this, but from
my experience it's also true. Godis quiet. It's quiet, and even
if it's so much loudness around you, God comes in a whisper and you're

(01:31:53):
like, and that is can that'swild though, Right when you get in
this whisper, you're like, oh, that's good it's like a just a
here sh that is that is powerfulstuff. If you're in a stadium filled
with NFL fans but you get awhisper, you come on, I mean
you that that is a that isa plus, that is good and anything.

(01:32:14):
I was just looking that word upand it is whisper. It is
the whisper of the silence, thestill small Yeah. And it's crazy.
And it's when it comes and youfeel it, and you know, if
you're if you're you know want ifyou I think if you want to feel
it, well, no, youcan work on it. Of course you
can work on it. You can'tdemand it, I guess that's a better
way to say it. But youcan pray for it, the voices that

(01:32:35):
are speaking in your in your mindor in your life and focus and and
you can you can key in onon the quiet voice that that is still
there amidst the crowd. But youI think it's symbolic because you learn to
turn the stadium down even though you'rein the stadium. So that's the practice.
The practice. It isn't turning Godup, it's turning everything else down.

(01:32:59):
What Natere does in general, likeit helps us to reset, and
it brings the things to us thatare supposed to matter, essentially, the
things we've been ignoring or we've beentrying to suppress, you know, death
the afterlife. I think a lotof this comes into death in the afterlife
about there that the people we thinkare quote unquote dead are not dead.

(01:33:23):
Their energy, their information, theirpersonality, everything they carried is still here
looking for somebody to remember them andto you know, continue to carry their
work forward, or their life,or their legacy, their character. Yeah,
I think, you know, itjust depends on how you want to
word it. You take your choice. It's everything, you know. That's

(01:33:47):
funny. But that's funny because mywife. You know, again, everyone
talks to me. I talked aboutthese Do I want to be a medium?
Do I want to try? Yeah? I'm like, I don't know.
I'm not comfortable with that yet.You know, again, the team
ill a student. I can readeveryone gives off upsite, like an aura.
Everyone has it. If I wasin the room with you, it's
not easy to do now, it'snot easy to do anyway. But I

(01:34:09):
could sit there and something would comeoff of you. Just you know,
it's I've thought about, well maybethat I can do that, because it'd
be really cool. But I'm notgoing to tell I'm just going to read
it. But my wife's like,well, the medium say this is what
it means. I don't know whatit means. I can't. I don't
want to pretend. Now, maybeif I practice it, maybe you know,
maybe, and maybe if I askquestions. But I'm just not there

(01:34:30):
yet, not yet, you know, I'm not there yet. We just
so there's a couple practices. Again, you got to get people who were
open. And we've done this onlinetoo, because that was my big thing
doing sessions and stuff, from beinga part of a local church and ministries
to doing like more online stuff.It was different because in the room that
you feel things in your body,you sure you see the like, it's

(01:34:55):
different. You can look at theperson and see their shadow, like everything's
totally different. And I was kindof afraid that it wouldn't be able to
translate online on a zoom call.But when we started, a lady asked
me to practice on her years ago. She was trying to encourage me.
I was like, yeah, Idon't know, and literally we go into
a prayer. I'm just trying toget something for her and I got something

(01:35:17):
and she was like, oh mygod, that's it. That's exactly what
was going on my neck is Igot a pain in my neck. I
just went to the doctor. It'slike wow, because I saw it and
I felt it in my body.See, that's the thing where we got
to start learning this stuff because westart feeling it, and I feel like
we can keep it. Stuff that'snot ours that we're carrying messages and things

(01:35:39):
that are for other people, andwe don't know what to do with the
energy. And if you don't knowwhat to do with the trauma and all
that kind of stuff, it canbecome a part of you. And that's
what hychosis. Yeah, and I'mvery health conscious. I run every day
other weights. That keeps me grounded. You know. I'm very much take
care of myself. And I knowit's true by the way that distance even

(01:36:00):
though I say for this it's Ican't do it over online, but I
know there's people I know personally,people that have had mediums talk to them
over like in London when they werehere, and they tell them stuff they
couldn't imagine. It's all that quantumtunneling, that quantum entanglement, you can
connect other people. And again,if I practice it, maybe I could
do it. I just haven't hadthe interest. You know, There's so

(01:36:21):
many things I could do in person. You know, in person's better it
just did it is? Yeah,but hey, I mean sometimes, specially
going through what we went through,you had to learn how to do it
online. I guess, you know. Yeah, how much longer do you
have? Do you have? Again? Let's do five minutes? I got
I got a one o'clock business meaning, and I need to eat something,

(01:36:42):
So five more minutes. Okay.I wanted I wanted to run this by
you too, just talking about thethe alien gray stuff as far as like,
in a lot of your experiences,you've seen alien grays that are present,
whether they're watching you or maybe guidingyou off to the side. You
know, I know you're still stillin the air about it. And some

(01:37:03):
of my encounters I haven't seen inalien gray. I have seen silhouettes of
you know, little humanoids that arejust silhouettes and sometimes their colors and lights
and but they're intelligent, and it'sscary to feel like you're being watched by
something out the corner of your eye, right, I wanted to bring that

(01:37:24):
up because with talking about seeing thatduring your like astral projections and remote viewing
and stuff like that. I justread a little bit of Crowley stuff recently
just because I was I wasn't aware. I was just understood what I was
told, and it was to stayaway. It was all demonic. But

(01:37:45):
his stuff, it definitely wasn't alldemonic. But anyway, he talks about
doing these certain astral projections and remoteviewing sessions with other people, and he
describes in one of his menu scriptsthat there's a group of people who can
do it and ascend into the heavensand have conversations and communicate with one another

(01:38:08):
and get orders and you all cando it together. He was training people
how to do it, and Iknow many Christians who are doing similar things.
I wanted to share that with youbecause of you know, bringing other
people into the experience to do thisyou know, nonverbal communication. And then
it was like then you can comeback and say, Okay, what were

(01:38:30):
we talking about there to see ifit's even legit. But all of that
to say that Crowley eventually drew apicture of this little guy, this little
man that was that he was seeingin a lot of his visions and in
his journey that he called him lambLam, which looks like this alien gray.

(01:38:54):
So I wanted to link the littlealien gray type being, but also
too this astro projection phenomena, andyou know, get your thoughts on that
and your experiences if you want toshare just a little bit. So are
you asking you want me to tellmy experience with the grays, the one
that you've seen in the image ofIs that what you're asking? Yeah,

(01:39:15):
yep, I want. I wantedto share that with you too. No,
no, yeah, that's great,And that's funny too, because what
I'm going to tell is not thatit's the opposite. So the aliens were
doing what Frowley was said he wasdoing. That's what's crazy right now about
that story. So when I firststarted doing this, now there's protocols for
people who want to call aliens,it's called heist and CE five. I

(01:39:35):
came into this cold. I didn'tknow what was going on. So I'm
just doing this not even thinking aboutthose things. I am just using what
I call upside vision, and I'mseeing all these things. When the very
beginning when I started doing it,I'm watching it. I'm just sitting there
looking at it. And again,remember all of this is holograph, but
I'm just flying through space whatever youwant to call it. Next thing,

(01:39:56):
I know, I'm on the shipwith a dozen gray aliens in a circle.
Right. And as I look closer, they're in a circle, but
they're over this square table that lookslike it's it's clear, like a clear
table, and it looks at firstlike it's empty. But as I get
closer, I realize that they're remote. They're remote viewing like a town in
the United States. Right. Andas I look closer again, their eyes

(01:40:20):
they're following. Their eyes are importantto this process for whatever reason they're they're
following these people, and the grayalien next to them picked up the person
from their field of vision. Sothey needed to do it as a group
somehow. Maybe it was like achorus, it made it stronger, whatever
the case was, it was likea process, and they're I don't know

(01:40:41):
if these beings are servers. Idon't know if they're humanoids. I don't
know if they're half you know,I don't know what they are, but
half organic and half not. Butwhat was wild about that is that I'm
looking at them. I'm so curiousabout it. Then two of the gray
aliens looked at me and they startedcoming towards me. And I don't even
know what I look like in theholographic form, right, I don't know

(01:41:01):
what they're actually seeing. But Iwas so scared I jumped out of it.
Right, And that was almost,that was not almost. That was
my first time that I stumbled upongray aliens doing something like you could think
that they're that we could learn from, right you talked about Crowley was like,
wait, what if they're doing,if they're if our little eyes can
do you know, a tenth ofwhat their big eyes can do, maybe

(01:41:24):
there's something there. And again,obviously to me, it's because of my
upside vision, like I think Ihave, they might be able to do
something I can do. Such smallerthe eyes, the size of their eyes
is important for their physiola, physiology. For whatever reason, from my perspective
and what I've seen, it's becausethey're broadcasting. It's almost like a satellite.

(01:41:44):
They're broadcasting something a lot bigger.Now I've since and I write about
this in certain blogs that when I'mdoing math, they used to show up
and like a like, I don'twant to say teas more like a nuisance
annoy me. They would take meoff my task, and I often wondered
why i'd be anything I'm doing.They would annoy me, and I'd read

(01:42:04):
I actually read this only a fewyears ago that meditators, people that are
meditating, they would go to theiryoga and this is documented and they say,
listen, I'm meditating and I'm tryingto empty my mind, but a
gray alien keeps showing up. Andthat's what happened to me. Yeah,
that was it. And the teacherslike, just ignore it. It's just
ignore it. It's like, waita minute, maybe we should have a

(01:42:26):
communication. Maybe they want to maybewe can communicate with these beings in a
way, you know, maybe regularpeople do, you know, like all
of us can directly now that said, I don't communicate with grace. There's
no there's not a lot. There'sone episode I write it. If you
want to go to my upside VisionYouTube page. I have this twenty minute
video about how I communicate with nonhuman intelligence. It talks about a gray

(01:42:49):
being in the room with me rightand holding my head. It starts off
like that, but that I don'thave a lot of interaction with these beings.
And I don't know why. Youknow, some people are stars,
some people can tell you everything theysay. That's not the case for me,
And I think that's by design.I think my guide, my God,
my spiritual counselor wants me to doother things, not listen to what

(01:43:10):
they have to say. They wantto maybe don't show me, teach me,
you know what I mean, that'sthat's maybe. I think that's kind
of part of what's what is.I don't think it is what's happening with
now man. I'll leave you withthis with the eyes and beholding that there's
a whole there's practices that do thatto create your reality, to look at
something and you know, then Ishared about the dreams when I was a

(01:43:30):
kid, allowing that stuff in andthen experiencing it being tormented, and the
eyes to create or to project orto move. The ancients looked at the
Son as the eye of God,this huge eyeball that is watching over humanity
or maybe even creating humanity, givingus life just without that. I watching

(01:43:56):
this. It's very interesting because Ido think this is all of this is
multi dimensional. It doesn't just workfor one realm. It's it's applicable for
all of them. Yeah, andevery every character in my book Jesus goes
to Hollywood. It's a subtitle ofMemoir of Madness. I name it after
the Sun because the Sun is abig part of my journey Nova Soul.

(01:44:18):
So just so you know, Iknow, I feel that that the sun
is definitely, for whatever reason,obviously connected to God. You can't have
humanity without the sun. But yeah, that's I I hear that loud and
clear. So anyway, listen,I got a jump. This has been
so amazing, Derek. I thinkmaybe we can do something. You're like

(01:44:38):
an hour and a half from me. If you have a retreat, I
could show up. We could havesome fun. I don't know when that.
I would love to be a partof that. Yeah you're in You're
in clear Water or well, Imean Alfhar out of Georgia. Okay,
nice, heck, yeah right upthe road man. Good. Yeah,
we we just passed through there atour last retreat. But for sure,
brother, Yeah, don't be astranger. Thanks for coming on. Yeah,

(01:44:59):
thank you, this is a pleasure. Yeah, you got my email.
I'll give you my number if youwant to, we could practice some
stuff, some dream stuff, somenumber of stuff, whatever it is,
So add me to the list ofpeople that you need to practice some of
this stuff. That will I will. And I got a lot out of
this today, Derek, which isgreat. Thank you again, Thank you
Tom, Matt, Ladies and gentlemen. Make sure y'all check out his other

(01:45:23):
work and his interviews and all ofthem bring something beautiful to the table.
And I was essentially asking questions thatI genuinely had from listening to his other
interviews and the work that he's putout there. So I know a lot
of you have have similar questions,and I'm trying to ask those questions for

(01:45:44):
you, you know, and forme and for me. You know,
people talk about seeking truth. Youknow. I get this question or comment
a lot from from a lot ofChristians who are like kind of saying,
you call yourself the truth seeker,you can Jesus is the truth. If
you knew Jesus, you would findthe truth and you wouldn't have to seek

(01:46:06):
it. It was like, well, no, I've found the truth and
I'm still seeking it every day.This is what it is. Because once
you ask a question, your questionis answered only by another question. We
read the scriptures. That's exactly howJesus taught. That's exactly how he answered

(01:46:30):
somebody's questions by asking them a questionto denote that the answer was already within
them and they knew it to beginwith. They just had to dig.
So I think this podcast and ourexperiences, we're here digging, We're here
asking deeper questions, and this showrepresents people who aren't afraid to ask those

(01:46:54):
questions, even when you've been toldthat you're going to be laughed at,
ridiculed, demonized, ostracized. Whatever. You know, fine, I'm still
asking the questions and now we're gettinganswers. So man, keep doing what
you guys are doing. Keep showingup. Everybody has a piece of the
puzzle. You know. I foundmyself having to apologize a lot after interviewing

(01:47:19):
certain people just because I still havequestions, Like I'm not I don't I
can ask good questions, but I'mgood at talking. I'm good at sharing
because it's genuine, and I wantto share from a place of knowing that
the person you can tell when theperson is a student as well, and

(01:47:43):
quite frankly, as I opened upthis talk. That's all I want to
listen to. That's all I wantto learn from. I don't want to
learn from a know it all.I don't want to learn from somebody who
claims to have it all figured outand closes off every other possibility. And
that's what we were taught to do, to read one book, to have
one experience, and then to discounteverybody else's experiences. And that's not the

(01:48:06):
case, that's not the truth.But I get excited sometimes depending on who
I'm talking to, and I wantedto share with him and had genuine questions.
And I've always said that that stillmakes the best podcast, makes the
best episodes when I'm genuinely hungry aboutthe information and I genuinely want to know.

(01:48:28):
I can't tell you how many timesI've done podcasts or I've been sent
a list of questions to ask theperson from their publicist or something like that,
and it's just kind of robotic.You know, you can make it
seem engaging or whatever, but whenyou really want to know, when it's
got me by the edge of myseat. Because I'm a student, we
all are, and we're always learning. So sometimes I find myself apologizing for

(01:48:54):
talking or whatever. But man,I want to know. I want to
know, So I'm asking questions foryou. Yeah, I have people in
mind I'm asking questions for, butalso for myself. So when you find
like minded people that you, youknow, sometimes it feels like like who
can I talk to about this stuff? Who can I talk to? I

(01:49:15):
know I can talk to you guys. You guys are experiencing a lot of
this stuff too, and that's whatmakes it fun, and that's what lets
us know that we're not alone andthat you know, people can write you
off, people can ostracize you,but there's none of you who are gonna
give up friends or family members orwhatever in this life. Who who writes

(01:49:36):
you off or call you names orwhatever that you're not going to get one
hundredfold in return. Who are apart of this world, within the world,
if you will, the kingdom thatis at hand that we're experiencing,
that we're able to see and sometimesjust sometimes able to record it and catch

(01:49:57):
it on video. So good man, Thank y'all for hanging out with me.
If you're not a member of ouronline community or the Seer School,
definitely check it out www. Dotc dot school. It is our community,
it is our training, it's ourI mean, we do two sessions
a week Thursday nights, Sunday mornings, hangouts, you know, doing this

(01:50:19):
but with a lot more people.It's really fun. You'll find out very
quick that you're not alone and theimplications that that has I've taken for granted
in the past with that phrase you'renot alone. Man, you're not alone.
It's so powerful to finally know andto feel that you are valued,

(01:50:44):
your your information, your piece ofthe puzzle, what you've experienced, what
you have to say, what youhave to offer. We are building community
online and locally as well, doingthese retreats and gatherings to create a place,
a community where you're not just simplytolerated, that you're valued. And

(01:51:10):
so I always say this, goto where not like, don't go to
the place or to the church orwhatever where you feel like you're tolerated.
Go to the place where you feellike you're appreciated. And knowing that I
needed that and I still need that, what else is there to do but
to see the vision of it andthen create it. That's what we're doing,

(01:51:31):
and I really think at the endof the day, that's what this
podcast was about today. It wasabout that seeing a vision, seeing it
through, no matter how big,no matter how far out, and then
creating it, finding ways to bringit into your reality, and not just
do it once, but to keepdoing it. Thank you all for hanging

(01:51:54):
out. Check out to see yourschool the Truth Seeker podcast truth Seeker dot
com. We'll check it out.Love you guys, We'll do it again. Peace,

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