The Dark Truth: Why The Bible Calls [Aliens] Demonic Fallen Angels (Nathaniel Gillis)

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Is there a connection? I know most of my Christian

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friends believe so. Most of my Christian friends will tell
you that the lights in the sky are in fact,
hands down across the board demons that want to kidnap
you and put implants in you and abduct you and
take you away. And I was scared of that my
entire life because they were monsters that were probably real, right,
you can see them. There's reports there was a movie

(00:43):
called Fire in the Sky that was about a true
story or these demon beings stole Travis Walton and took
them into the stars and did all kind of testing
implants on them, and they found them naked laying onside
the road. You know, all these weird stories, and that
scared the heck out of me as a kid, and
as I grew up and getting into ufology or doing
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guest today is Nathaniel gill Us, the Demonologist. Brother. Welcome
to the truth Sacer podcast. My friend, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Good, sir? Thank you. It's good to be with you
and your viewers. Excited to be.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Here for sure. Man, for sure, you cover a lot
of amazing topics and uh, you, like me and many
other seekers, leave no stone unturned. I like the fact
that you cover it all and you've written books on
these subjects and got a lot of stories doing the groundwork,
just not theories, right, You're putting boots on the ground
with a lot of this stuff, so it turns practical.

(03:59):
It's notes and stuff that you can apply and it
can it can help your life, for sure. So man,
kudos to you and what you're doing with that.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Thank you, so thank you. Brother. It's it's been a
journey from one revelation to another. But you know, my
journey has been a little lonely and unique in terms
of what I've been I mean, everybody's just unique, but
you know, I grew out of a lot of dogma
and I had to grow into some new thought processes

(04:25):
and understandings. But I think, like I said, it's a
journey and we're all on it, and I'm glad that
we're together.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
And yeah, so what do you mean by dogma? Obviously
coming from religious trauma? Right, there's that aspect, and most
of us believe one thing and then we find out
that it's another. But then you mentioned more revelation, and
then you find out that it's another, and then it's another,
and so we never get too comfortable with our revelation
and stuff. So what do you mean by religious trauma

(04:52):
and your experience?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So when I was growing up, I grew up in
a hunted house, and I was experiencing different manifestations, different phenomena.
And while I was going through that portion of my life,
I was also attending a local church that was Pentecostal,
the best, the best, dude's people ship man. And you know,

(05:17):
for people that don't understand it, they think that a
lot of these and I'm not going to mention these
other preachers that are on you know, TV and everything,
and you know that's not true. Pentecostalism and Pentecostalism. I mean,
these guys, they're bad dudes. They'd go out fast for
a month, come back, you know, lose thirty pounds, and
then have reviables where cataracts would slide off people's eyes. Yeah.

(05:37):
You know, so I've seen a lot in terms of
that that kind of power. But you know, I grew
up in that, that tradition, and uh, you know, we
did have what we would consider exorcists come through and
preach seriously, seriously gifted individuals. Ohio hi okay, Yeah, and
then I was a part of the UPCI for a

(05:58):
long time. I grew up in it.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So we had some bad dudes. We had one guy
named Jonathan Tuber who he's one of mine here is
woll Time mean, he's he's a white dude that grew
up in Africa and Haiti. He was a missionary's kid,
and so you learned all of a spiritual warfare from
the locals there. And then so he moved back to
the States and he didn't recognize the church. It didn't
make any sense to him. He was really good that

(06:22):
it was fascinating. Yeah, So I grew up in that tradition,
that culture, and so it was difficult for me because
when I was experiencing in that house did not fit
in the blueprint of demonology they believed in. You know,
so you're dealing with shadow figures or it's a shadow figure.
We don't really know it's.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
A demon man. Yes, we do know the Bible. That's
what they tell you though, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, And they try to you know, fit everything into it.
And it came down to, you know, if you experienced
something that we haven't or that we don't believe in.
Rather or not you experienced it, it doesn't matter at
that point, We're just not going to include it. You
were going to say you're lying, We're going to gaslight you,
all that stuff. And so it left me in a
very vulnerable state. So I had to go through it.

(07:03):
You know, I had to wake up at nighttime with
an enterity in my room, feeling feeling it almost like
breathing in the room. It smelled like death, it was running,
it smelled like a dead body. So you know, once
I uh, that was pretty much the tradition in terms
of like what they believed about this film. That's what
I had to grow out of. Truthfully and to understand it.

(07:23):
Because number one, I didn't want to feel like I'm
a crazy I don't want to feel like I'm the
only one experiencing this. So the order I got, the
more I realized, Hey, there's a group of people all
over across the world who are not only experiencing it,
but they had groups that will welcome you and your
experiences into which which is really really cool?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And which is what comes first? Right? Everyone thinks they're crazy.
Oh wow, I'm the only one who wakes up and
there's a man standing at my bed every night, and
you think you're the only one, right, and you you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's almost like the phenomenon itself wants you to feel
like that, you know, and shuts you off from other
you know, other groups of people that would love you
for what you've experienced and not you know, kind of
disinfringed as you Yeah, but that was my that was
my encounter, if not a confrontation, with this phenomenon. And
from that moment on I started to evolve into this

(08:10):
own journey, the owne pilgrimage into what I did is
I experienced what it is we're dealing with, Why they
why I believe, you know that these aliens are actually
not aliens at all, and you know it's all compounded
into this one fur ball of different concepts. But that's
really where I started with my journey.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, so let's I mean, let's start there with the
with the experience of the thing in your room. Like
you know, if you know, the easy grid is say yes,
it's a demon, you can rebuke it in Jesus, name
it and it leaves. And but what what what ended
up happening with that? With there a conversation? Was it
calling your name? Did it follow you?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah? So it started out the very first time we
actually visited the house, my parents went on an open
house tour. They took me in. My dad took me
by the hand. I was only like eight years old.
He said, take a look around in this room. This
is where you're going to be living if and when
we do purchase the home. So I'm looking around and everything,
trying to figure out where I'm going to put my sega,
you know, my my PlayStation and my you know, my

(09:10):
bad but.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
So so so what games was was with that sega?
When you moved in? It had to be a couple
near and do to your.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Heart honestly one well, when a PlayStation took place on it, man,
and I love the some Mario part, dude, I love
like taking them. You know the turtleshell is just slinging
them at people in their car. You know that's not
really real life. You can't do that in real life.
So I don't know what they're trying to teach us
back then, you know, but now, uh, that was my

(09:37):
kind of my kind of gig man. So you know,
I'm looking around the room, and I really I remember
to this day the stench that welcomed me in the room.
I mean, when you walked in, you could smell something rantcid.
It gripped you like you're like, okay, what is this?
Like somebody leave food here and they didn't you clean
some What happened? Well, I'm looking around for some reason,

(10:01):
I was led to get on my hands and knees
excuse me, had to pull this the blanket flap up
that was on the bed a bed there. I don't
know why, but as soon as I did this, it
went from like blanket flap to this face underneath the
bed of the little girl. She had a pale skin,

(10:23):
black long hair. She's beautiful little girl. She had a
white linen dress on. It was made during the turn
of the century. It looked like and it was like
she was frightened at me. She freaked out. I freaked out.
I recoiled. It was nervous, scared, you know. She shimmied
her little body all the way to the back of
the wall. And I'm looking at her, and I'm thinking
in my head, man, this family that's selling this house,

(10:45):
that they forgot her kid, their kid. You know, they
went out for dinner and their kids stayed behind, and
you know, it's like a home alone situation at something.
And I, you know, immediately put the blanket back down
and I just acted like, you know, nothing ever happened.
I didn't say anything. We got the car, come to
find out the people that were selling the house where
they were elderly, they had died. They didn't have like

(11:06):
it was a a state sale, and there was no
little kids in the family like that. Uh So, so
that was my first instance. Once we moved into the house,
I would be able to go to go to sleep
at night and I would be woke. I would wake
up at night time and I would hear someone walking
on our wooden floors, creek creek, creek, and I would
always walk up to my door that it would stop. So,

(11:27):
I mean, I don't want to keep going on with
the manifestations, but that was the very earliest onset of
the phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
And uh so to smell, were you the only one
that can can smell that? Because we know there's a
psychic smell Clairecynthians being able to smell.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
The spirits, Yes, yes it was. And I didn't understand
what it was that I was smelling until I got
into the texts of the Extra Sister Right according to
Biblical antiquity, and then it made a lot more sense.
What I was encountering was what's called corpse pollution. Comes
out of numbers nineteen and chapter eleven where the Extra

(12:07):
Sistic Right originated. What was happening in history is people
were going into houses, either new houses or old houses,
and they would encounter what would smell like a dead body,
and so if it was a dead body, they would
still perform the same rite. Most of the time, it
was that it was consciousness of someone that died, and

(12:28):
so then they would have what's called the open vessel lull,
which means that if there was a ghost or if
there's a dead person in the house, you have to
go in. You have to go and close up all
close up all your dishes, you have your pots of food,
you put lids on it. Because they believe that whoever it's,
whoever smelled that spirit, had the ability to be possessed
by it.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
And so at that point, this is in numbers eleven.
Do you know what would.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Numbers nineteen numbers nineteen eleven. Yeah, so it's called the corpse.
It's called corpse pollution. But they discussed the open a
vessel law. So that's the origin of possession. I didn't
know that at the time, but they believed that as
easily as you could smell these entities, they could wrap
themselves around you and in you and possess it coming

(13:16):
do in your consciousness. So that's what I experienced it
as a youth. I had no idea, you know. And
that's why, like when I mentor ghost times, I tell them, look,
you know, whenever you're encountering an entity that smells like that,
it's possible it's actively trying to possess you. And I think,
and that's not to us. That would be new, especially
in a lot of ghost unders, I know, but to
ancient exorcists that was quite a common motif in there

(13:38):
in their literature. But that's what I encountered man at
the very first onset of it. But it moved even further,
Like it's crazy how it evolves. So there was one
night where I was playing video games. I saw movement
outside of my window in the corner of my eye,
and you know, it's night time, so you've got kind

(13:58):
of different paradigms of vision going on. It's dark, but
my stream's light and what I'm looking at is dark,
but I still noticed that. So I look over and
about took me five seconds from my eyes to adjust,
and I look and I see this dark outline, darker
than the night it was in and it's just looking
at me, just looking at me. And so then then

(14:24):
it just kind of looked and uh, disappeared. Disappeared. The
next day was Uh, it's kind of funny because it
was in the wintertime. The next day I get ready
for school, I go look outside and there are huge
footprints right next to my window seal, which my window
seat what's about seven foot tall. So so that confused me,
because if it's supposed to be a demon, how them

(14:44):
it has physicality? Right then I started researching what a
spirit was and all this stuff. So, you know, it's
my very first encounter with these entities. But but I
one hundred percent believe that wasn't a ghost that I encountered,
or it wasn't a just a you know, benevolent, happy sweetheart,
little girl ghost. It was an entity that thought I

(15:05):
was young, I was a boy. I would like to
play with the friend. And that's how it manifested. So
that's how I started getting into the fault patterns of vicentities,
how manipulous they could be.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, that's that's insane. I'm tying stuff together in my head.
You know, I've been in the scriptures a lot for
the last couple of days. And you talking about that,
and you were able to see, like, you know, between
the dimension of a shade, that kind of Yeah, listen,
I just threw that word out there, shade. And I

(15:39):
know if you're a student, like I'm a student, I've
got my Bible etword pulled up right now. Listen, last
through four days, I've been in it non stop. God
won't let me come out of it. But the word
devil in the Old Testament, it's really interesting. I've been
I've been into angelology lately last ten years. I've been
studying the rankings and orders of angels and even some

(15:59):
of the demons is but they're more general, they're just
lower level entities or whatever. But we know, if we
break down the word devil in the Old Testament, one
of the words that pops up is a shade, which
is a dark shadow being. Another is a sator a
satyor there's levels, there's rankings, there's different beings. They're not

(16:19):
just hey, it's a demon in your room, Okay, Well
what kind is he bringing? A message? Is he here
to attack me and possess my family? Like what's happening?
And so it opens up a lot of nuance in
it for us to be able to explore. So the
shadow beings, the shadow people, or the shades which are
mentioned of in the Old Testament.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Correct, correct, you got your shade and you also have
your refinime. Again, once we get into like these different
references to you know, demons and shades and everything, it's
difficult not to understand that there are a lot of
scholars who disagreed on the origin of the demon most
most people, like your pre Katie ely By Elias, believe

(17:01):
that these were the soulos of damned. People who died
were evil. They were unclean when they died, and they
were unclean when they left their bodies. So when the
unclean man or woman becomes the unclean spirit that leaves,
and we have evidence of that. When Yeshue Jesus is
speaking about when an unclean spirit go without of a man,
it seeks rest. Why that's not a demon. He's seeking rest.

(17:25):
He can't rest. We call them restless ghosts, restless spirits.
And when he findeth none, he goes back to his house. Well,
he said, that's a demon that doesn't house. He goes
back to his house.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
And we can go.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I mean, he's quoting what's called the Apocalypse of Ezra,
the prophet Ezra, where Ezra talks to Yahweh and says,
you know, he says, what happens to an evil man
when he dies? And he basically says a president, you know,
when an unclean spirit go without of a man, he
wanders around seeking rest, he findeth none, and he goes
to his house. When he finds his house cleaned and swept.

(17:58):
What do you mean it's cleansed? He goes, as is interesting.
He goes and he finds seven and this is what
Jesus is mentioned. He goes and he finds seven other
spirits greater than him. What are there's seven other spirits? Well,
Apocalypse of Ezrus says, there's seven stages of grief.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
So, so we're dealing with stages of the afterlife, not
a you know, it's not a spatial existence. It's a
spiritual existence where he has to go through seven stages
of grief. And that's why when your shoe as sums
it up, he says. And in the end, his death,
in the end, his end, this worse than his beginning

(18:38):
white because there's only one. There's not the one man
he possessed. There's one hymn. He left his body. He
became an unclean spirit. This is a Hebrew so tuma
ruwa wow in the rua in Hebrews ruwak breath. This
is interesting because we get the linguistics here. It's important
ruwak spirit breath. When we're dealing with breath. There's only

(19:01):
one species God ever breathed into or at least through
the nostrils, which that's what ruwak means to inhale through
the nostrils. It separates, right, Yeah, that's a dumb so
ruwak breath to inhale life through the nostrils. So we're
dealing with a species of spirit this is, which is not.

(19:22):
We're just entertaining some of the ideas that the rabbis
and scholars have. But it's interesting. So so you're right,
it's very nuanced, it's complex.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Okay, it's time a lot of stuff together for me.
I tell you, I've been I've had I had another
awakening Monday, Sunday and Monday, and I haven't it's been insants.
But everything you're saying is tying so much together for me,
So I appreciate it. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, it's it's fascinating stuff, man. But the idea that
that consciousness can exist outside of the body, and that
it can mutate into something that it was not prior to,
it's it's it's propped up by the also the understand
I mean that good people they can die and they
can evolve and so so what happened to our ancestors

(20:08):
and our scholars is that they had an idea. Either
demons are just demons that God created that fell, or
we're dealing with at least some entities that we consider
demonic that are actually the level of antis, that are
unclean spirits that will use people as hosts to rest in,
they'll hide and stuff. So is this good? Can I

(20:30):
keep on going? I know, we got second I can
just really wrap on this stuff for a while. Man,
But you know, and one of the texts that the
scholars really point to is Psalms one on ninety six,
where it's called the Purse text, where David is really
hating on one of his haters. It's hilarious to me,
and he's the he's like, you know what, he goes,

(20:50):
there's this guy, this guy that's accused of me, and
he's a false accuser and everything, and he says, you
know what, why don't you appoint over him a wicked man?
This is hilarious to me, savage, our man, David was savage,
A point over him a wicked man. Now, the Hebrew
word there is raschav Rasia has a dual meaning. It

(21:14):
means possessing U oh and evil. So what he's saying
and this is why scholar has really wrestled with that.
He's saying, I want you to go send an evil
russ Shop possessing man to my enemy. It's deep stuff.
And not only that, he said, then place a satan,

(21:35):
an accuser at his side. And so demonology believe that
there are many possession possession cases when you have a
ghost possessing the individual and you have a satan next
to him who was tormenting the possessing entity. This is

(21:55):
why when you get into Catholicism, it's very damning because
these exorcists the ability to confuse both of them as
the same entity. When you're a cabalistic exers say there's
two of them in there, and I'm just right at
this point, but yeah, it's fascinating and all of this
right now. Obviously this is just as hypothesizing, or at

(22:15):
least they were, but I think that it's a good
foundation to start from when discussing the possession of phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, just to let you know where I've been last
couple of days. It is about the ascension. It's about
the ascension too. I was given the revelation. It's always
been there and I knew pieces of it that the
Bible is a book of ascension. It's about becoming a god.
Jesus showed us how to do it. And within it,
there's so many layers. Are spiritual, there's allegorical, there's literal,
there's so many different nuances that you have to You

(22:44):
have to attain light in your body to be able
to even understand it. You're not going to You're not
going to pick it up and be able to break
down this stuff that you're sharing right now. This takes years.
First of all, it takes experience. You have to open
up your sheet and see a spirit looking you in
the face and smell it so that when you read
over that text that talks about an unclean or a
foul spirit, Wow, my synapses connect and you got the

(23:07):
revelations that Pastor Joe doesn't have because he's he doesn't
even believe in those things. So the unlocking. So what
I've been is knowing about the ascension and the people
that have ascended, and those are the saints. Those are
people who have achieved their light bodies. And Jesus ascended
and he showed his light bodies to his disciples. Right,

(23:29):
But again, what about those people who haven't and so
I haven't even touched it yet. So what you're bringing
to the table for my study this whole week is
definitely the side of what happens to the individuals who
are damned or who who die with more darkness in them,
where they're not able to ascend out of this state
of predatory or hell where they are now, and they
become roaming spirits or wandering stars, even things like that.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
So yeah, man, yeah, we call them restless spirits or
unclean spirits. Now fascinating as unclean as it's a very
unique term because it's limited to to the Torah. It's
very interesting. So how what defines them as unclean? One
also a very interesting aspect of this is if it
points to the fact that we're dealing with mortals here

(24:14):
that died. Is that when you go into the new
test of the texts your shoe as the Exorcist, he
would always use the word go go, you know, get right,
get the behind me, safety or go Now. That's a
King James translation of the Hebrew word get get is
a bill of divorcement. It's very it's very unique the

(24:38):
way he phrases this. Literally, it's when you're dealing with
the entity God has divorced you. And it was almost
as if they took a marriage covenant and said, okay,
this is what you were supposed to do, right, and
you broke the covenant. Now you're devolving, right, not evolving,
you're devolving. And I would suggest that in the beginning,

(25:01):
darkness was on the face of the deep emptiness void.
And so you know, all of these different references back
to to the beginning of creation and where people go
back to after that. It's very excut anyways. But yeah,
so so again, uh, the fact is here, guys, is
if if these are supposed to be divorced beings, God

(25:22):
never married angels never. You know, it's the the literature
and theology starts to crumble, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
And he said he married Adam, he married Adam restored
in Christ right, yes, then married Adam to Eve was
the best man and the father.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's it, dude. I love that. That's Mortar krak Kaplan.
By the way, you got to get his book. He
talks about that whole symbolism and genesis. Yeah, it's beautiful.
So you're right, right, And so when you get to
the linguistics here ruwak to inhale life through the nostrils?
Who did that? The Adamic race. So so these are
the little arguments that scholars point to that maybe we're

(26:04):
not just dealing with, you know, angels that fell, but
we're dealing with men and women who devolved according to
their lifestyle and then when they die, they pressed palls
on their existence and now they themselves are being haunted
like we are in this dimension. It's very interesting. That's
what a lot of people believe.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Wow, wow, wow wow. I'm trying to find my notes
really quick because I got to take some notes before it,
because I have to. I think that the whole divorce
scenario to get out right means divorce because all of
this is in legal terms. Right, you give the you

(26:48):
get the entities or the energies, legal ground to be
in your life, to be in your auric field, to
torment you, to be in your mind. Why by the
deeds and the things that you're entertaining. While the sun
is up and when the sun goes down, here they are,
here's the witching hour. The beings are loosed on the
earth or loosed into your life, and you have to

(27:08):
sever those legal contracts and that's what Jesus says, get out.
I'm severing this legal tie. Interesting thing, the opposite of
what you just mentioned that I found out this week
was a revelation to me to not only so to
get out is one thing, But the opposite of that
would be when he sends somebody like a commission, a commissioning.

(27:30):
So everybody he dealt with who like he imparted some
knowledge or wisdom or healed them or whatever, he sent
them back to their homes. Go back to your family,
Stay away from those people because they're going to try
to talk you out of it. But when he sent
them out, that word sent out there is he sent
them at Apostolos. He commissioned, He commissioned them to bring

(27:55):
his truth and carry his truth into their life and
into their world. So this blind man that he healed
became an apostle because he's now carrying the message of
the Christ. You know what I'm saying. So these words
and these little in their stories man so good.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And it brings it brings a lot of flavor to it.
It brings it home more. And it's you know, and
I've done you know, I grew up Christianity and everything.
And so my dad's a Bible scholar. So I've had
many many conversations in my life have been allowed to
thankfully well, you know, just like that, you'll find a
scripture and then somebody illuminate your mind like you know what,
what about this little nuance? And then it's like, oh
my god, it completely unlocks the text. But you know,

(28:37):
again like diving into this, this narrative of all these
entities that originated at death. You know that we're living
people at one time and embodied. It goes back to
Genesis six and the legend of the Nepheleine. What were they?
Why is it that the Bible refers to them as
refinime giants? But David, this is interesting, Dave, I'm sorry,

(29:00):
Job says this. This is interesting, guys. We have to
research this further. Job says, can giants be born of
the dead? He's referencing this and then that's that's the
septuagen version. The actual king James says that dead things

(29:22):
are formed beneath the waters. Dead things are formed beneath
the waters. That word for dead can be translated as refine,
and it is refine you, but it can be translated
as dead or giants. What Paul's using is a reference here,
he's tying giants with dead, with the dead Jesus or

(29:43):
not Jesus a shoe or Yahweh rather mints that as
well when he talks about the congregation of the refine,
the congregation of the dead, not giants the dead. Even
in Proverbs eighth when the what was it the wise
woman is and sitting on the top of the gate,
and she's beckoning all of these visitors to come into

(30:05):
her home, and the Bible says that when her visitors
get inside of her house, they know not that her
guests are the rafine, and the translation there is are
the spirits of the dead. So when we get with
these linguistic.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
So you think that's what you think, that's what the
raf are is the spirits of.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yes, absolutely absolutely? Uh so so that yeah, so matter
of fact, not just not just the spirits of the dead,
we're also dealing with the Hebrew form of Raphai rapha
Jehovah rapha raphas where we get the word raphael the
healing angel, to rafa to heal. So you're also your

(30:45):
earliest scholars of integuity. They believe that these Rafayeem were
not just deceased people, but these were your first physicians
and your first exerciss who had turned against their own
calling and went to the dark side and then died,

(31:06):
so then they carried their knowledge into the afterlife. Now
I'm Ralfayem. I was a healer. This is why we're
at war with not just like I mean, we're got
to look at every form of spiritual warfare, necromancy especially
and that again when we're dealing with you apology, which

(31:27):
we'll get into shortly. But we're not just dealing with
just entities that can manifest just ghosts. I don't believe.
We're dealing with high level entities that that make Alistair
Crohlan and Bife the sleeve I look like just peasants.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
And I know we're going you tied us into eupology
a little bit, but later yeah, whatever, whatever, let me
ask you this. So my my understanding is has been
changing a little bit. It revelation has been changing, and
it's it's it's out of a less less romantic that

(32:11):
we you know, we uh romanticize with the text and
and and most of us who know Enoch and I've
got some demonologists watching and people a lot of people
start there, and we're getting into that. So the idea
of the sons of Seth if you will, right, and
so being you know, the Nephilm were the gods who
came down and made it with with women, and so

(32:33):
Michael Heizer's big on that the divine Council of the
Elohem and the gods who came down and those children
weren't able to go back to heaven and there's all
of this kind of nuanced which became demons, maybe a
realm of demons, maybe some demons. But it's kind of
and I've I've taught that I believe that, but it's
kind of been changing a little bit, like that they

(32:53):
were because it we like romanticize it. What you're saying,
and what we're kind of getting into is like hold
on the consequence for turning away from from God, from
from being a fallen angel. That's what these were men
at some point or did they start off these gods
because Saw maybe two does say you are gods, but

(33:14):
you're going to die. Now I'm going to limit your life.
You were gods, but now you're dying as men. Who
do you think that those people?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Okay, so I lean towards a concept that was known
in Mesopotamia. See one thing that we have to remember.
And I didn't like this at first because I wanted
it to be wrong. But the Nephelie narrative was recorded
by different religions at that time, and so even the

(33:43):
term angel or malachim and Hebrew was did not originated
in Hebrew consciousness. They picked up that term from another religion,
and every really incorporated into their theology and angelology. So
you're in compared with literature, mala kim meant to seee
ancestor So when we have fallen angels, a lot of
your rabbis will have a difficulty with that because they

(34:04):
were like, Okay, if you're an angel, how'd you fall?
And if you fell while you're still an angel, it
wasn't it doesn't make any sense. It still and still
you start looking at how Yahweh refers to men in
battle and how they fell. M this man fell in battle,
and start to see that very interesting that these terminologies

(34:25):
that are employed about angels are also employed about mortal
men at the time that they die. So let's dive
even further so that the narrative of the Nathaline, I
think is correctly understood when you realize that Malaquine, the
Malchine they're referring to, was deceased ancestor, so it makes
a lot more sense. So what I started doing when
I dove into this literature is I realized that it's

(34:47):
difficult to flush out any good narrative in Genesis six
over reading Shakespeare in English. You know, it's it's Hamlet
and all this, it's really how it was written. So
what I needed for.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
A good reason, though, for good reasons, so that you
have to dissect it. So you have to ponder, right, Yeah,
it's like a parable almost for sure. So you know,
and I did dissect that.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I wanted to dive into it had first and get
more more understanding because it was highly nuanced, highly difficult.
You know, who are they? So you know it wasn't
just my experience and being difficult with it. I mean,
you know, we have people out there saying the sons
of self, you know, and we can't justify how they
had giants where they come from? Well, the DNA was
at it, so okay, who did that?

Speaker 1 (35:27):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I mean, I mean, we even have the Testament of
Reuben where it says, you know that we're blaming on
the women. The women were you know, it's the women's fault.
Matter of fact, the angels did even fall. They just
fell in love. And you know, how did they do that?
I mean, there's there are many different problems with this theory.
What did they get the seed to to insiminate the
women with? You know, how did they do that? Do
they have their own? Yeah, you know that they steal

(35:50):
it from somebody else. So all of this, this this
nuance is president of the text. It wasn't until I
got a hold of what's called the apocryphan of John
as a Coptic manuscript preserved by Egyptian monks. It gave
commentary to this event in history. They said that when
the Bible mentions that they went into them and married

(36:11):
into them and made of them wives, it wasn't as
if they signed covenants of Torah with him. It said
that what happened was these entities waited until the husbands
were absent from the wife. It's very dangerous at war.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
I mean, that's what David did, right.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Right, right right, and then they would met. This is
very interesting, guys, because there's a lot of people. I've
never heard this before, and I love teaching teaching it
because I know when I first heard it, Dude, I
went off, I started, I started. I was like, oh
my God, I call my dad, I said, dude, revelation, Man,
when it hits, it hits. So said that, excuse me,
said that these entities manifested to the women in the

(36:49):
image of their husband. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa?

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Where's that?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Where's that Apocryphate of John? This is this gets wild quick, men.
They manifested in the image of the husband. Now, for
your religious scholars out there, this is why Paul says,
if another Jesus comes to.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
You, bro, like Jacob wrestling with the angels, he saw
them ascending and decent. He's seen them evolving and messing
up to come back down. Wow.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
So yeah, this is interesting. So you know Paul's teaching this.
He's teaching this concept. If another doctrine comes to you,
if another spirit comes to you, matter of fact, if
another Jesus comes to you, watch this, paulses, I have
espoused to you to one we're dealing with someone who's
married and dealing with an entity that's gonna manifest as

(37:52):
the Covenant, the doctrine, the spirit, and the name to
the bride. Yeah, as though right, as though I'm the husband.
It's fascinating. So anyway, so yeah, the puckerphon of Johnat
says that they manifested to the women in the images
of their husbands. Now, why so they groomed him in
an intercourse. Now this is very important. Guys. At the

(38:15):
moment of conception, they stared into their eyes and they
changed their appearance to their what their apparition really look like.
That's why I'm telling That's why I'm That's why I
teach that these are deceased people. So you have the
apparition staring into the eyes of the female while it's

(38:39):
insiminating her. Now, what are we dealing with now? An
antiquity that's called it obstected tradition. When Jacob would bring
his sheep or goats to the water before they made it,
it was because they looked at their own image, their
own images they would recreate after the image they were
looking at. That's what that's what's called the obstrected tradition.

(39:01):
They believe that whatever image the woman was focused upon
at the moment of incimination, she would birth the material
image of through her womb as a child. This is
why they did not want her to recreate the image
of her husband. They wanted her to recreate the image

(39:22):
of their Their apparitions very important. Then, So now what
do we have here is we have the software and
the hardware. We had the apparition that father is its
own child. Now I have evidence that they're possessing the

(39:44):
child that they fathered. So very interesting.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
So these beings were they ascended beings? Were they beings
that ascended? And then kind of.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
They're liminal, They're liminal, So we're dealing with liminal to
these Now, liminal isn't just an academic term that means
they're into places at once, or they're in between two
places at once one of the two. So I would
suggest to you that they're Let's get back to the
Allaheen real quick for a fleeting moment.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I just want to I'm just trying. I'm trying to
tie that in a little bit about the ability to
shape shift, about the ability to take on after ascension
or maybe even on lower levels, like some dark shamans
are able to change in face. Jesus did that when
he came back to his disciples. When he didn't he
didn't want them to recognize him yet, he took on

(40:31):
different forms and he also showed his light body as well.
So I'm just thinking the ascended beings are able to
to more for shape shift.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, these are these words, and these are they're still
doing it this day. But but yeah, so so they
insimiated the female and then they created this this species.
Now and the apography that John says that from the
darkness they bore children from the darkness, what's the reference here?

(41:01):
From that portion of death the existence? They created children
that had the image of their likeness. So I described
this as as if it's the nature of possession. It's
not the relocation of consciousness, it's the replication of life.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
It's forceful, forceful.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
It's almost in the sense and a legal form of
reincarnation to them where they will create a child and
then place their consciousness in it. Now, what's interesting about
this is it's not transient possession. It's not an empty,
possessing garant edda, which is you know, in a shower
or going at a grocery store, you know, looking for contact.
This is different. Now I have a body that looks

(41:45):
like my apparition.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Okay, now, I gotta stop you there because I'm just
tying things together a little bit here. Yeah, I'm with
you now, and I know you're not traditional Christian anymore,
but it kind of seems like, you know, the next
blow is like, here is the these beings who came
down and impregnated Mary to have their seed. I didn't

(42:06):
know if that's where you go out with that.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
No, I'm not going with that at all.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Okay, no, because I mean, I know there's people Gus
was it Alien or Jesus was these kind of things?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
And well, I think that we're at war, and I
think that yahweh did that for a reason because now
it's I'm in your territory for sure. Watch this the
Fathers of the Son. Wait a minute, right, it's it's
an amazing the way that that they outline that. Anyways, Yeah,
so so that's what they did. And so I think again,

(42:35):
if we have to understand the nature of possession according
to antiquity, uh, you know, our earliest text, according to
James Fraser, the Golden Bowl. The anthropologist is that possession
originated I'm a battlefield when warriors were mortally wounded, they
were dying, but they didn't want to die, so they
would actually leave their own bodies prior to their body
dying dispossession and then and then calm, dear the consciousness

(43:01):
of another person, place their soul in that individual as
a form of survival. So as long as there was
a body for them, do and have it, their soul exists.
It's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Well here's the maybe this is where you're going. I
don't know because not a lot of people go here.
Not a lot of people go here. With the maybe
alien grays, which people think, are you know these just
a body that was created that is lifeless. And then
the spirit of the fall in the demon is able

(43:35):
to now have an earth a suit in this reality
like almost like Charles Lee Ray dying and becoming Chucky
and I'm still here right, So that the alien grays
are meat suits that someone or something put a spirit
inside to animate. Is that where you go?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
One hundred? Oh God, yes, oh yes, And I have
a lot of evidence to support that. Number one. These
tees in Genesis six courting Pocket of John has said
that they had the same likeness. Matter of fact, they
said they had copies of bodies. Hello Grace, same things,
same things, And okay, so so Fritz Kramer, Uh, he

(44:16):
wrote a book called The Red Fez. He would call
these skin suits social skins. Now are our scholars that
antiquity called these social skins in exterior soul an X
to your soul? So the end to your soul is
what we would call an apparition. The X to your
soul is what that operation possesses the body that's the

(44:38):
X to your Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Would that be? Would that be some of my studies
kind of showing me the difference between a soul and
a spirit, like the soul and the like something.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yah.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Same so so becoming a spirit if you will in
this process?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, yes, very much. So. It's the Yeah, it's the
creating of what's called the social skin. Now in the Bible,
it references the social skin as a garment. It's a
garment that one leaves. It's like taking off a coat. Now. Now,
what's also interesting again is that the social skin was
designed for them to interact in this dimension with us.

(45:15):
It's almost if it extends their life so the more
social skins they can make, the more social skins they
can possess. You can have a thousand grays and have
one entity possessing them all.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Legion, Legion.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, it's fascinating stuff. But so again, I don't know
how much time we have. We have, We got.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
As much time as you want. Yeah, okay, I'm enjoying
it so much. Like this is why this is dude,
just be straight up with you. The Lord is speaking
through you like heavily, so appreciate I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Sure, thank you man. Uh yeah, so that's what we're
dealing with. We're not just dealing with identities that want
to appear to have a relationship with us or even
really I mean, we're dealing with entities that want to
comment dear the covenant that God made with his people
and assume the position of doctorate authority and not just

(46:10):
that but unction and spirit. Yeah, you know, Paul deals
with this and I don't ever talk about this because
usually it's just you know, negative, negative, negative, but truth
seek We're gonna dive in today. Man. Paul mentions this
because he's again he's dealing I I am espousing you
to one husband why he's dealing with the covenant here,
he's dealing with the fact the entities are gonna manifest you.

(46:30):
They're gonna say to Jesus, they're gonna say the y'all,
they're gonna try to give you covenant. They're gonna try
to give you manifestation. They're gonna give you doctrine. Right,
your husband's away, He's right, he's not returned yet. And
he says, if that happens, right, he's screaming in the
midnight of man's imagination, hold the phone. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,

(46:54):
So I do believe we're dealing with the same entities
and your apology as we're dealing with in possession cases.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
You know, you know, you know who I have a
lot of respect for. And it's almost like a hero
in that in that story to me, Thomas, Thomas, you know,
Jesus leaves and he tells them before he goes, listen,
many are going to come in my name and they're
going to try to deceive you. And then most of
the disciples believe the first apparition that that showed up
who said he was Jesus. Everybody said, hey, it's him,

(47:23):
and Thomas is like, hold on man, like he just
told us that we're gonna they're going to try to
get us. They're gonna try to trick us, Like you
can't believe the first one. I need proof, you know.
So I have a lot of respect for for him
as a seeker, as a truth seeker, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
And people, you know, at least in my experience, they dog.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Exactly Thomas the virtue Man.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah yeah, So okay, So let's get back to the
idea of these raphi eve existing and having knowledge, you know,
prior to even their death. These were your first not
just not just not just exercistem physicians, but these were
your first midwives as well. That's why Lemiche too was

(48:05):
supposed to be a midwife. Like in Egyptology, they had
a like when the Hebrew slaves were in Egypt, they
had a demon, a female demon that they believe were
killing their babies by being their midwives. So it's very
interesting how all of these different roles your physician, your heal,
your extras, and your midwife were all manifested in the

(48:27):
UFO abduction phenomenon. It's interesting. So let's get back to
again their knowledge and what they understand. So there is
no behavioral pattern now in the field of yourthology that
has not already been manifested in through necromancy in biblical antiquity.

(48:48):
Now I have about maybe thirty more minutes that.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Okay, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah, okay, okay, we're star guys, all right. Cook. So
so let's look at this as an aspect of the afterlie.
So again we're dealing with possession and how possession works.
There was a cork of people that existed that believe
that when an ancestor of their dye, they would bury
them in the home in the basement. They were called
family gods. It's called intro murial burial. Then they would

(49:17):
go to an artificer of metal blacksmith and say, okay,
I want you to create an image of my deceased
ancestor out of metal. And so then they would take
that piece of metal they placed in their home. In
the consciousness of that unclean spirit would possess that piece

(49:38):
of metal and it would exist in that image that
it had possessed.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Can I drop a word to see if it's the
same thing. Terrifim yep, terrifim.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yep, yep. Yep. So then later on they evolved in
their understanding where now they were digging up corpses of
the recently deceased, taking them, dragging them into their home homes,
and taking a small metal implant uh oh, carving the
name of an unclean spirit of Tua ruma or tumarua

(50:10):
rather on a clean spirit right uwak someone who died
he would healed light to get in the ostrals now
and placing that name on the metal and then implanting
the metal into the corpse. Now that consciousness is possessing
the dead body and speaking through it. I do believe
one hundred percent that that's what we're dealing with in
the implant scenario. Wow, they're putting consciousness in us their

(50:38):
own matter of fact.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
So you start seeing it's almost like you know, in
like a lot of this is romanticized within the horror
movies and stuff like that. So you know, there's movies
about somebody who uh, they went blind and so they
got the eyes of a dead person who was a
wicked person, and now they're seeing things that that person saw. Right.
So now this entity or this spirits like living and

(51:02):
communicating through them. Because there's some type of form of
connection there. Oh God, God connected with them, you know,
and you're saying, implant exactly right.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, so what are you know, what are they putting
into us? They're putting themselves in us in a way,
and so you hold on, man, there we go, there
we go. Sorry about that. I have my phone on.
You're not disturbed. I don't get that anyway. So what
happened is, yeah, so they had this understanding years ago,
thousands of years ago. Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
What's fascinating is that if we understood that context, then
then it helps us understand, uh, what they're doing and
why they're doing it. Like I have cases right now,
not my cases, but I know of cases of abductions
where like one in one was a young young kid.
He's like, you know, it was actually written by an adult,
but he remembers. He reflects reflecting back to his childhood
and says many. He says. One day, I was getting

(51:56):
rid of for bed, he says, and all of a sudden,
I'm looking around and he said, I'm in my room,
but what I'm seeing is like I'm outside of my room,
flying closer to my house on the east side. He said,
So I was looking through their eyes. Wow, And so

(52:19):
I would suggest that they were looking through his. So
what they did is they had put it in plane
in him and they created a unified stream of consciousness.
So it's not Google Maps. It's just when do I
want to be with him or her? And then I'll
figure out where I'm at. It's a wild concept, but
we're dealing.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Somebody here in the chat, says Amber says Amber. Virgo says, right,
that's why psychics. A lot of psychics know so much
because of their demons. Right. The lady that had a
spirit in her and acts with nineteen that Paul rebuked,
there was actually a spirit of Python that was within
her and she was able to kind of see and

(52:59):
know things and communicate from this unseen realm because there
was some kind of connection that she had through possession
the things. Yeah, there's a righteous you know, all of
this stuff has polarity. Right, there's a righteous or way
to use it for light and a way to use
it for darkness. Right. God's kingdom is the kingdom of light.
We are connected with him and he's in us, and

(53:21):
he's speaking and downloads and we're hearing things. But it's
usually good stuff. It's beautiful things of evolution and higher
vibrational existence stuff versus on the other side, derogatory things,
kill yourself, you know, and all this kind of stuff
that people are hearing voices and right having nightmares and stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
You know, you're right, there's polarity to it. And I've seen,
like I wouldn't call it possessions, you know, but I've
seen people who have had gifts where they've evolved into
their ministry or whatnot. And you know, they're very gifted,
veryan o the people. But you know, so the idea
that these were the first ex everything. They have knowledge,

(54:01):
they have preternatural knowledge that we don't have access to.
Not only that, I will what I've been doing lately
is I've been studying these these these abductions that don't
include the body. Uh So, let me give you a scenario.
Imagine that, like you're a husband, right, You're going to

(54:21):
bed at night or whatever. You roll over to make
sure you know your wife's you're a part of whatever
they're they're they're good, they're good to go, they're asleep
and everything, and out of nowhere you see their apparition
peel itself out of the body and float out through
a window and do a ship a ball of light
you see outside of the window. That's happened all across

(54:42):
the world. Matter of fact, this is Ray Fowler's work.
Ray Fowler was working with Betty Andres and Luca. Where Betty,
that was Betty's case. That's Bob Luca, her husband was
when that witnessed her soul leave her body. Now Betty
Luca remembers the encounter even though she was never physically abductor.
These accounts of spiritual or soulish abduction fill the airwaves

(55:07):
all across the world, and people are starting to come
out of the woodwork by expressing finally, Okay, this is
what's going to happen to me my whole life. I
never understood it. But according to Ray Fowler's research, these
abductions include every bit of what a physical abduction would include.
You know, they talk to the individual, they educate the individual,
and then right before putting them into their body again,

(55:28):
they say that you won't remember this until it's time.
So all of this fits into something that I discovered
in the Book of Ezekiel, chapter thirteen. This gets very
dark and disturbing quickly, So just bear with me Yahweh
reference is a species of necromancer that has the ability

(55:53):
to pluck the soul out of the body, and he
calls them soul hunters. Is an execuel for Chucker thirteen,
those who hunt the souls of men to make them
fly soul in the Fesh and nashamm these again, there

(56:16):
are a specific species of entity that will go into
the homes at nighttime and they will pluck the soul
of the victim out of their body. So what happened
was an antiquity. These individuals would create certain nets around
their bed at nighttime. We would call them dream catchers. Now,

(56:37):
the reason they did that is because they did not
want their dreams snatcher, the dream entity to come through
snatch their soul, and they had a net so that
they realized that they hook at least that the net
would catch their soul from leaving with them. So they
created these different ambulets, different forms of warfare. But these

(56:59):
entities one hundred percent had the ability to pluck people
out of themselves and to make them fly. Now, this
flying reference is it goes back to an ancient Egyptian
reference to the bird's soul or the baa soul. We

(57:22):
see that in the demonology in Psalms ninety one when
David's talking about the snare of the foul. Right that
bird's soul.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
That is clean birds, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Right, snatch them. Yeah, so they believe that, Yeah, this
baa soul would leave the body at the moment of death.
We would call them an orb. So when the orb
would leave the body, these empties would snatch it, use it,
manipulate it, enslave it, capture all that stuff. So so

(57:56):
it easy took thirteen. He says that they're doing this,
and then he mentions what I call the currency have consciousness.
Why are they're doing this? Those who should live are dying?
Why so those who should die can live? What are

(58:17):
we dealing with? It's the same concept of them leaning
on us, using us not just our bodies, but also
our souls to prolong their existence. We are at war here, and.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
The gospel is exactly what you said. But the opposite,
those who deserve to die are given the chance to
attain life.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Wow, because of it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah, so good man. So do you think orbs are
beings too? I gotta I got a friend that can
make orbs appear on site and catches them on camera.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
And I do believe.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
That there's a lot of dust particles though, yeah best particles.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I know that, But I do
believe that orbs. I'll tell you what's kind of funny.
One night, one morning, rather my mom called me. She's
like listening. Shecaes, I got to tell you something. Said, okay,
she said, uh, we used to have chickens back in
the day. She's like, you know, she goes, yesterday morning.
You know, she said, this morning, about an hour ago,
I went out to go feed the chickens, went to

(59:16):
go out collect bag. She goes, and I looked out
and she said, I'm looking through the trees. She said,
this ball of light. She said, this ball of light
is just floating like that. Then it descends at us
and it just starts weaving itself through the trees. She said,
I've never even heard of it anything like that. Have
you ever heard them? Yeah, it's an ORB. But she

(59:36):
never believed it. She didn't even know. You know, she
never heard of it either. She she witnessed us. So
these things exist. I will say something as well. One
of my mentors, doctor Michael Lynch, he's a great, great
ghost on her amazing man too. But he told me
a story about these orbs, he said, men, he said,
I was doing a case and he said, he said.
I was in the house and he said, wrapped all
my equipment up. I was putting my equipment in my car.

(59:58):
He said, I saw this orb floating through an alleyway
and he's like, you know, He's like, you got to
realize these orbs have the ability. We've seen them to
go inside the body and out throughout, you know, in
the walls and everything, he said. But I had a
laser thermometer on me where you shoot the laser and
it takes the temperature of what, you know, whatever object
it is, he said. So I found it and I

(01:00:19):
shot it with the laser. I wanted to see what,
you know, if it was cold or warm or whatever,
he said. But when the laser hit it, the light
refracted off of it, so it was solid. So whatever
we're dealing with has the ability to de materialize and
be solid. So good. But yes, to your point, I
do believe we're dealing with consciousness, and that's what they

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believe throughout history.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
A couple couple of questions before we move on too
far again with my studies, I'm just I've been giving
like this these downloads and then trying to find the
scriptures to prove it, and so much of it popping up.
But about the cycles and what happens at night, we
know about the witching hour where those spirits are loosed
again to your into your life every every night, every month,
every year. Right, there's cycles that are happening every night.

(01:01:05):
And you mentioned the the dream catcher where they get
you know, these these spirits get stuck and the bad
dreams get stuck within the dream catcher. And the other
part because of my study, is tying in with astro theology,
which is the sun right and in the power of
the sun and the power of those watches of the
night where we're going through stages of darkness, but then

(01:01:27):
the sun rises in the morning and it's and bringing
the reward or even there's some somebology of Christ rising,
raising from the dead and bringing forth joy and peace
of that when the sun rises. Listen, you made it
through the night, You made it through the dark night
of the soul even, and so they believe that when

(01:01:47):
the sun rose, the sun would burn out those entities
who weren't able to go back into the darkness, right
because they're stuck and then the sunlight hits them almost
where we would get the idea of a vampire as well.
What do you have any more revelation on on the
sun with these beings as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
The nocturnal I don't know. I'll tell you this the
encounter I had as a child, I felt a grade
because I couldn't go to sleep at night, but when
the sun revealed itself, felt safe. I mean I yeah,
I felt completely safe. And I so I did like
a year of school where I mean, oh my god, dude,

(01:02:28):
I was getting thirty minutes of sleep because that's all
the sun rise a seventh, seven thirty. I'm up there. Yeah.
So so I don't know why, but I do believe
that they follow their own schedule. Yeah, you know, just
like we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Wow, I've been, you know, I've been. I've been deep
into that study. So you bringing up the dream catcher
or something I didn't even think of, Like I'm I'm
dreading demons biblical Biblical antiquity, but it's it goes, it
goes into every like you know, the Biblical antiquity antiquity
is a collection of world antiquity, if you will. It's
if it's true for those guys, it has to be

(01:03:03):
true for everyone else as well. So that's where I've
been proved. So I'm glad you brought that up. Another
thing that probably would scare a lot of people, and
somebody posted something here in the chap you mentioned these entities,
these fallen dark beings are trying to get these chips
into you. And now we're on the brink of merging

(01:03:24):
with machines and metaverse and the EMUSK neurolink and also
r f I D technology to have all your information.
So you're talking about putting these chips or implants in people.
People are already freaking out. So what do you think
about some of that stuff that's coming down the pipeline?

(01:03:45):
Are Are they connected with these beings? Have they made
packs with these entities?

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I'll say that I don't know if they made packs
with them, but I personal believe it really wouldn't matter
to these entities, right because let me suggest this. I
had an ecubus case one time where the entity was
laying in between the husband and wife at nighttime with
this place of sweight. You could actually see it laying down.
This entity was so evil that it was calling the

(01:04:12):
husband's phone, answering it, calling and answering it, and then
putting it on speaker and then talking to the wife
through it. Hey came here, I want to talk to you.
Get over here. I want to talk to you. I've
had cases of and I'm what I'm doing. What I'm
talking about here is them interfering with technology, right, I've

(01:04:32):
had I did a show with a dark Horse paranormal
one time where these entities started out with the transmission,
they talked to each other. According to Kristin, one of
the hosts and one of my best friends ever, she
heard it. It come through her earphones. They one of
them said to the other, wait until they can hear us.
And then when we got live on air, they began

(01:04:54):
to cuss me out and call me these different names.
But Kristin, she said it shook her so much that
she took her headphones off. The evil she felt emanating.
It wasn't just oh my god, she's heard creepy you
know ubp's before. This was different, she said, She said
it it really messed up. She threw the headphones off,
ran out of the interview and thing outside sort of cigarettes.

(01:05:15):
She said it was not evil. But here's my point, guys.
If they had the ability to interfere with our technology
to that degree to call our phone, answer it for us,
put it that stuff on speaker and then talk to it.
My god, I don't want that in my head.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Wow yeah right, I mean yeah, you can me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
It's like yeah, my god, yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
So it is the We also got to bring it
back to the spiritual too, because we already have very
similar technology. Obviously, all of the technology that that they're creating,
it comes out of our anatomy. It comes out of
our spiritual technology, which we already have the power to do.
So we already have the power the ability to be hacked.

(01:05:58):
Like I've never heard it like a VP speak through
voice like that, but I've heard them speak through people
without them knowing it and the energy be sucked out
of the room when this. I've had people on my
podcast huge names that I've had to say, Okay, we'll
talk to you later, thanks for coming on. Brother Boom
hang up. Oh my god, I couldn't breathe.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Something will speak.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
He had he had a hatred of bitterness, or rage
was instilled with him that was coming out as a teacher,
and it was like everyone could feel it, and I
just had to thank you for coming on, man, but
I had to bro like it wasn't just me. Everyone
could feel it. So right, they have the ability to
hack us and to hack other people. And the way

(01:06:43):
that they do that the implant is your hurt, is
your bitterness, is your unforgiveness. That's their neurolink to speak
to and through you. We are channels.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Yeah, you're right, and this is very interesting man. I mean,
I mean now we can get into the because now
we're tapping into how they can lay themselves on us
and you know, manipulate our thoughts and everything. I'll give
you a case in point. About two years ago, I
was at a restaurant and I was smoking my cigar,
reading my books, man, and my buddy walks over to me.

(01:07:17):
He goes, hey, dude, he goes, I want you to
help my friend out. He's like, you know, she's got
a lot of things going on in her life, and
she she you know, I know what you do, maybe
you can help us. Okay, So she sits down with
their boyfriend and she starts her story out. She's like,
you know, and she goes, My best friend lived with
her grandfather in this really old house and they had

(01:07:37):
an entity in the house. And she said, the other
day it decided he chased It was like manifest you
could see it. It chased her grandfather out. He had
a corner and he died of a heart attack in
the lawn. But he left the home to this girl.
This this is his granddaughter. And she said, oh, this
is my best friend. It's her best friend. She's like,
you know, she wants me to come and stay with her,

(01:07:59):
she said, but I'm a to I don't want to
go in that house. You know, if it's physical enough
to chase somebody out and terrify them enough to die,
I don't want anything to do with And I said,
what's probably wise, you know, in your case, you know
it's probably wise. But I said, as I'm talking to you,
which I'm I'm gonna say this in real time. As
I'm talking to her, I see this dark cloud just

(01:08:21):
just envelop her, laid on her like a cloud. And
I said, instantly I had knowledge, words of knowledge. I said, okay,
I said, I do believe that there is a grandfather
that needs help. I do believe that there's a young
girl that needs help. But I said, and I could
help your friend. I said, but I believe that the

(01:08:42):
reason you were sent here today is because you have
an attachment of suicide on you. And I said that
you don't know. I said, it's not allowing you to
scream for help. I said, so the only thing you
could do subconsciously is to come to me, knowing you're
the one that needs to help the most. Dude, when

(01:09:02):
I say it was like an explosive tears, you could
feel it breaks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Just by you identifying it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yes, Yes, in the atmosphere changed. She started bawling. She
grabs her boyfriend's hand and she's leaning on him, just balling.
I said, now we're going to deal with the entity.
I said, who in your family committed suicide? Because I said,
this is a familial attachment, she said, my grandfather killed

(01:09:30):
himself in twenty fourteen. All right, that entity has attached
itself to your family, and it thinks it has authority
over you. I said, so what it's doing now is
its laying on you. Now, it's claiming you. Why because
it says this is I already had the other one
I've got I'm going to get you two. So it's
very interesting in their psychology. But I employed what's called

(01:09:51):
the cabalistic exorcistic right that Isaac lury at Tall. He
said that a lot of these entities when they manifest
in people, especially as attachments, they will send very emotions
into that individual like tentacles, not allowing them to think
for themselves. And you're talking about how the neuroleak or

(01:10:11):
the endplant is our emotions or whatever. Now trauma, Yeah,
they would literally lay on top of the pain, on
top of the trauma, and then they will send faults
to that individual. I'm not good enough. I should take
my own life. And then watch what happens if we
catch that and we assign that authority. Boom. You know,

(01:10:36):
my daddy always told me I wasn't worth it, and
I agree with that spirit. Now that spirit's growing into you,
so it gives you a fault to see if you
agree with it, then it goes back and says, see,
we are making a covenant an agreement here. Now watch
this to the point where the entity is so much

(01:10:58):
inside of the endae vidual that the individual cannot determine
their thoughts from the entity's thoughts. Now it's thinking for them.
It's deep stuff. So what I began to do is
I began to give her a call. Like I guess,
I gave her her authority back. I began to pull

(01:11:21):
out the intentions of the sentity, the emotions that she's
been feeling. And I said, I'm going to speak directly
to the sentity, and I'm telling you, this is not
a word of God for you. This is not what's
being this is not the plan of God for you.
You are worthy. And I told her, I said, I
need you to say these words with me. These are
not my faults. When I got done with that, dude,

(01:11:44):
it was unbelievable. I saw her about six months later
a completely different person. Her relationship with their boyfriend was healed,
her life was heading in the right direction. But I
think that's the cabalistic exorcistic right where it's not just
holy water, and then displace the entity, creating a second victim,

(01:12:08):
you know, but dealing with the emotions, giving them their
autonomy back. And then now when there's authority there, now
you look at the entity and say you don't have authority, know,
no more authority here none any longer, right, because now
she's saying you got to go you're illegal.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Yes, legal ground authority is that? Listen, hey, she said
we can be here. How what she came into legal
contract with this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
By this? This?

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
This? How much time you got? How much time you
got and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Give me give me tim more minutes? Man, my yeah,
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
So let's let's let's run through these. Let's do a
speed round. Uh so you got ten minutes, So I'm
going ahead, watch down speed round of questions because I
got a bunch for you now casting out those demons.
It's not just simply identifying. There's many people who study
to identify, but they don't have the authority. They don't have.
They're not in bad they're not they don't they don't

(01:13:02):
know their authority, right, they can identify it hints in
the Bible, we got the biblical example of the seven
Sons of Skiba, who they were, like, hey, we we
identify evil spirits less like these guys. And if you
want to explain that story not everybody knows, but kind
of run through that of how they they couldn't do that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah, oh my god, I assure you in the name
Jesus do Paul preach it? Yeah, Skiva means mind reader.
These were fakers, fakers, frauds people you know, and I'm
not people who you know, you know, give me fifty bucks,
I'll give you something, and you know, I'll give you
a you know, this treating and it doesn't really you know,
make any sense. It's not it's not really accurate, but

(01:13:42):
you know whatever, that's what they thought. And so they
thought that that that they could employ the same methods
without knowing the man. Oh, it's a good teacher right here, right,
I'm getting passionate man, you know, by Jesus whom Paul preach. Well,
that's a method, Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
You've got the meeting. You've got to encount. You can't
just you know, throw a Bible at these things and
they won't respect you. Jesus, I know, Paul and them
who are you? And they beat them until they were naked.
I think it's funny, you know, they you know, there's
a measure of respect amongst these empties. And it's just

(01:14:21):
like and I know that this might be controversial, but
there was an old drunkerd named AA Allen back in
the day, and people said he was a fraud. He
wasn't a fraud. A matter of fact, he had an
alcohol problem. The man was legit. There was one uh,
there was one money act that they had outside of
a tent. She was curled up in a ball in
the back seat of a car and nobody could get

(01:14:42):
that spirit out. He walked over to her in this
documented I'm aa allen, He whispered in her ear, laid
hands on her. Gone. So these entities the real recognize
is the real Yeah but yeah, so so I don't
even know where I was going with yeah, yeah, but
well I would.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Yeah. They probably had no light in them, like they
had no light, which is that authority to speak to it?
And what that light is, that's your devotional life, that
is your alms that you're doing. And God takes notice
of your arms, and there's rewards. One of the rewards
is being able to speak to entities and they're removed.
And so they didn't have no light that gave them

(01:15:22):
the revelation of how to do it or even the
ability to speak to such entities. So man, so good, bro,
So much comes out of that. So many more questions.
So I mentioned that another question for you have you
heard of tera trauma tumors, which was something that was
really interesting for me to learn about concerning these spirits

(01:15:45):
trying to possess people. Have you have you heard of
that term? And Okay, so simply and I got to
you know, always I wrote about it in my book,
but I got to give credit. I heard about it
from Chris Everett. Chris Everard covered this in one of
his Spirit World God documentaries, which really inspired me. But
the te atoma tumor is these tumors that people are

(01:16:05):
finding on them. They go and they have a mass
and a big growth on their side, and they go
to the doctor and there's eyeballs growing in it, there's
teeth grow and there's faces growing in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
It, all from alignant from alignant. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
So it's almost like these entities that are in that
person long enough and they want to they have a host,
but they want their own body and almost like trying
to form their own body out of the person. Yeah.
Really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Okay, let's dive into that real quick, because again, possession
plays such a major role in all of this. It's
unreal so dealing with the entity that once it's an autonomy,
doesn't want it just its own consciousness, but it wants
its own self, right. Uh So, in the sixteenth century,
in the d book phenomenon of the Big phenomenon, possession
begin to evolve and mutate. It as something that's profoundly

(01:16:56):
disturbing in my in my mind, weeah cases of women
being a hosted in their dreams. Right, the dream demons,
the entity that would manifests a former lover or a
husband try to inseminate them. And I've had cases like
this all across the world. So anyways, in the sixteenth century,
these women would think that there was just a dream, right,
it was just a dream. They would wake up the

(01:17:16):
next day with handprints and bruises and scarfications to their body,
and then they would become possessed by the entity that
assaulted them. They would go to the exorcist and I
am so and so and you know, it was nine
percent time with somebody that lived and died. Wasn't a
good dude. Uh And then and then it mutated again.
Now we're dealing with this, we're starting to point to

(01:17:38):
the idea of them wanting to be autonomous, right, they
want their own anatomy. It's not just their own consciousness.
So then these individuals would become accosted by and then
possessed by the antity that accosted them. Then they would
become pregnant with the entity that possessed them so much
so this is fascinating stuff right here, they would go

(01:18:00):
to the extorssists, the extissists would see the entity curled
up in their womb like a baby, which leads to
what my point and some of my work lately has
been that pregnancy to us is possession of them, and
possession of them them is pregnancy to us. In other words,
it's not just that they're possessing us, they're putting things
in us to possess. Wow, this is why Genesis six matters.

(01:18:24):
The most software inside the child, the child's hardware, software
and the hardware. That's why they were born among us. Again,
you had the giants, had the ref Yeah, this is
I never made this distinction.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
So we know that the giants. The word we get
there is is heroes, the heroes of renown, right. And
so there was these giants born on the earth, and
there was these beings on the earth that were at
war with the seed of the woman. So these are
these are we call them Reptilians. You call them whatever
you want. They have a lot of different names, right,

(01:19:00):
And so we're on the earth with them, they're here
with us, and so they were always at war with
the children of Israel, which is us spiritually, antiquity whatever.
But then I never made this connection until yesterday as
doing my study Herod Herod. The word king Herod comes
from comes from hero the word the king. King Herod

(01:19:23):
is king of the Heroes, and he dealt with the
seed of the Woman as well. When he heard about
the Messiah that the stargazers followed the magi I followed
to welcome the birth of the Messiah, the one that
would overthrow and break the bands of darkness that was
on the earth. When Herod the Heroes like still from

(01:19:43):
that lineage, he found out he's got to do his
ancestors justice and kill all the children that was born
within this time span to try to kill the Messiah
that would crush his head in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
You're right, we're dealing with it's almost like a spiritual bloodline.
And I think again, way back during the beginning of
the interview, we're talking about you know that what is
that the same thing of you know Yahweh in simonating
marry and everything. Well, I would like to say it's
like this, okay, when you have an entity possessing people
like they did, like the necromancer, which he was a

(01:20:18):
necromancer in the gatherings he was, You're dealing with an
entity who is possessed. He's being worn like a garment
and he's it's his skin, the itsut he's looking them
through the eyes. You have a spirit that's almost being
made flesh now and then when your Shua gets up there,

(01:20:40):
this is amazing, okay. In the Old Testament, there's a
prophecy that Yahweh refers to when he deals with necromancers.
He says, in that day, I will come to you
and I will number you. Oh my God, I'll number you.
You will bow down and worship me. Okay, you shoe
us sandy footfall hits the beach and he's walking up

(01:21:03):
and he sees this man who dwells in the tombs,
and he asks them, what is your name? We are legion,
we're many. What do you do He just got numbered? Mmm,
it's for Philly step this is what? Oh God, Martin
Buber says, God speaks a word and steps into it.
This is what he's doing right now. He numbers the

(01:21:25):
necro mancer, and the necromancer worships him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Every knee must bow and every must confess.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
It was an absolute hit slap.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
I gotta let you go. I gotta let you go.
I know your bite for time, But what is your
spiritual practice? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
How do you like you know this stuff? What is
your connection with your shoe? What is your connection with
the light? What is your connection with God? How do
you maintain clean hands and a pure heart?

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
I study unction. I grew up Pentecostalism. The men that
I I wouldn't say worship, but I pretty much put
on a pedestal where guys that ah that lived the
life of humility before God. You know, they knew they're gifted.
They often were nomads. They lived with the profound loneliness.

(01:22:16):
And I think that I identify with them in the
sense that I was designed to be a deliverance minister.
H So you know that's really my connection now with
respect to how do I get that sticky feeling off
of me after I do cases that really feel like
being watched. I watched Fraser Crane, Dude, that was not
that much of a spiritual thing, man, But I watched

(01:22:36):
Fraser cheers. I love like, Yeah, I don't know, but
you know that's my kind of spiritual practice.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Okay, So there's no really no no prayer, no devotion,
no fasting. Like you've done that. You've kind of prepared
yourself already.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, and I preserved. I preserved
that sensitivity too, which is something that takes, uh, you know,
it takes a lot of practice, but you have to
be a out. You have to allow yourself to be
alone without being lonely.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Because you never are once you understand that, because you're
not watching Phraser by yourself anymore, you know what I'm saying,
entertaining angels and God and Christ and all the beings,
the demons even too, they're watching with you. So we're
navigating and wading through this, bro. There's so much more
that we can go into, and I want to go into.

(01:23:25):
This subject is near and did in my heart. And
the way that you approach it as being open and
being a student of antiquity and of the scriptures, Bro,
it's right up my alley, man. I really enjoy anything
you brought to the table. Listen, we didn't even get
to go into you know, demons getting access through movies
and portals and the television so deep. But hey, let

(01:23:48):
people know where they can go to purchase your books,
book a session with you, find out more about your
work and your interviews, all that cool stuff. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Man, I used to have a website and getting it
professionally redone, I don't. I don't know if I want
to have a website. Man, I'm already on social media,
so until I get that done, I don't want to
share it with you guys anyway. So it's I'm on Instagram, YouTube,
and Facebook. On all of those sites, I'm Nathaniel J. Gillis.
I just started up my YouTube channel. Man, I went
from two hundred subscribers to six hundred in the last

(01:24:21):
three days, and they're going to go up more now,
so I hope. So, man, I'm excited. People need to
hear this research and at least get a different perspective
of it. Yes, but you know, yeah, man, that's how
to get a hold of me. And I do counseling sessions.
I'm busy, Like I get real busy sometimes and so
it takes me a long time to get back to people,
but I try to get back to people as soon

(01:24:41):
as I can for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
For sure, Bro, thanks for coming on really quick. Last thing,
just leave us with leave us with a really quick
list as much as you can think of of the
different beings that are on the dark side encountering mankind.
Is it just demons? Is there names? There's levels, dimensions and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Call them moltors. I call them moults that are made
of the same substance but do not have the same status.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
That's a little hook, right, that's a little hook because
I want to come back and do now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
No, we are we do it. Listen. I'm open. I
do this for a living bro, and I know you
do too, So let's let's make it happen. Really resonated
with you, man, Thank you so much for coming on.
Man means the world.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Thank you, God, bless you brother.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
You have a good night, you too, many blessings, ladies
and gentlemen. Make sure you go follow his page Nathaniel J. Gillis.
Make sure you do it. And actually I say make
sure you do it because you probably won't. Let's do
it together, can we do it together? I'm going to
try to share my screen and this is this is

(01:25:46):
my screen, and so let's just go to YouTube right now.
He just started a YouTube channel. And those of you
who are listening on the podcasting apps, if you're driving,
I just ask you to pull over and let's go
subscribe to his channel right now as an act of
faith and support and just a way of saying thank
you for coming on and sharing that information. So let's

(01:26:06):
go to YouTube Nathaniel Jay Gillius. Everyone type that in
did you type it in? Awesome? Dre he is, there's
this beautiful face. Six hundred and five subscribers. Let's let's
let him know that we appreciate him. Let's subscribe and
show him some love. And I hope to refresh this
here in a little while and we see that number

(01:26:26):
go up just because of the people who are already
on YouTube and the people who are already listening to this.
And by the end of the week, that number is
going to go up. I'm going to repost this channel.
I'm going to repost his page and listen. Like attracts
like guys. And there's a reason for that, right And
I really resonated with him on a level vibrationally right

(01:26:47):
as far as what he's been through and what he's
bringing to the table, and it was amazing. I love
it so and I know that you guys would love it.
You guys are sticking around for something, so I know
that you felt the same way. Show him some love, subscribe,
like videos, bias, book, all that cool stuff again, like
attracts like I, me and him. There's a there's a
level of vibration, vibrational frequency that wants I'm sorry, I'm

(01:27:14):
trying to make this. It wants balance, vibrational frequencies want balance.
We want to meet, We want to find other versions
of ourselves. I mean, that's the whole deal with the narcissist.
Where it can it? Can it come back to bite you?

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Is you?

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
You? You only want to hang around people that look
like you. You get enamored with your own beauty and
it can and there so there are some sides to
this that can that can be used for darkness quick
but being able to resonate with somebody, It's about resonance.
We we discussed this the other day and it was

(01:27:51):
another fresh revelation for me, which when we were talking
about the different UH levels that that people may have,
whether it's morally like, we may connect on a moral level,
but we don't connect on a spiritual level. We may
connect on a spiritual level, but your moral standards are
way too low. You're using it for nefarious gains. Right,
So things are about balance, and when you find somebody

(01:28:12):
that you resonate with, you try to find balance. And
the reason I bring it up because I thought that
the way spirit works in a way balance works and
having uneven scales. The Bible says do not have uneven scales,
and it goes into a lot of detail about that.
So these these uneven scales is about finding balance and

(01:28:33):
finding resonance in the vibrational frequency and like attracting. Like
for us man, he likes the things I like. We
can talk, we can listen. There's things I could talk
to him about that I couldn't talk about last the
last podcast and the next podcast that's gonna be same thing.
But I'm gonna find resonance with those people. I'm gonna
find something that oh wow, but you do like this, Okay, boom,

(01:28:57):
let's go let's go down this path of spiritualisten and
let's go down this path of UFO abduction. Let's go
down the path of fasting and the power thereof right.
So there's a lot of different subjects that we find
we find resonance with and what the Bible talks about
that Paul gives you a nugget when he says when
he says that you become all things to all men

(01:29:24):
so that you can win some you're finding resonance with
that person. You're finding common ground. I remember on the
job site years ago, the only thing that I could
talk about with people was the football game. And I
didn't even like watch football. I did when I was
a kid, But I'd look at the scores and see
somebody who won, and I would go. We'd get at
work and hey, man, how about them cowboys? Oh man,

(01:29:45):
they had a good game. You know, you got to
find common ground with individuals. And that's really what it's about,
finding common ground with people and not just finding resonance
with people. That's how you we heard the term your
vibe attracts your tribe literally people, Well, we don't fight

(01:30:10):
with flesh and blood. This is a battle and a
journey of powers and principalities in the realms of the spirit.
We're not people, We're not these flesh shoots. We are
spirits that have a body. We are those spirits that
now possess a body. And so when it comes to

(01:30:31):
vibration and resonance, we look for like, attracts like, and
we pull people up to our level. We don't want
to be imbalanced. The Bible says, do not be unequally
yoked with an unbeliever. A yoke is a It was
a contraption that is used to have two oxen walking
together in line, and they have to walk at the

(01:30:55):
same speed and in the same direction. You point them
in the same direction, and they're yoked together, and they're
going to go in that direction. Do not be unequally
yoked with people with spirits. Make sure that we have
the end goal in mind, because if we're walking on
this path, if you deviate a little bit, you're gonna
end up in a place you weren't ready to go

(01:31:16):
because you're unequally yoked with the spirits or with the person.
And so make sure you're not unequally yoked. And that's wisdom,
because it is about resonance finding balance. If you become imbalanced,
if you become unbalanced, then two things have to happen.
You step up to that person's level vibrationally, or you

(01:31:38):
have to step down and go to where they are.
Thank God for Jesus, because he is the story of
God stepping down to our level and speaking to us.
God said, you know what I'm gonna You know there's
I gave him a chance. They messed up. They didn't
understand what I was saying. Let me go down there
and become one of them. Let me step down into

(01:31:59):
the darkness and become one of them, so that I
can bring them up and raise them like I have raised,
like I'm going to raise Christ like I've I've already
raised Christ from the found before the foundations of the earth,
his story that is written of in the stars. This
is going to become their story. Let me step down
so I can bring them up to my level, so

(01:32:22):
they can ascend, so that they can be righteous, so
that they can alchemize their darkness, so that they can
be houses for the great Spirit, not lesser spirits, not
fallen spirits, not deceptive spirits, but for the Spirit of God.
Know ye not that you are the temple of God,

(01:32:43):
and the Spirit of God resides within you. You are
a home. You are a house for spirits, and that
house has to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and
not the spirit of anger, not the spirit of rage,
not the spirit of manipulation, not the spirit of witchcraft,

(01:33:05):
but the Holy, beautiful, sacred set apart spirit. Open up
more of yourself, open up more of your heart to
let that spirit come in and possess you. The Holy
Spirit wants to possess you. It is about resonance. So
we thank God that we are able to step up
to his level. He showed us how to do it
by following his example showing love and moving from animal

(01:33:30):
to divine nature. We have both natures within us. But
this is a test this place as a school, to ascend,
to take it to that next level, going back to resonance,
to be able to step up because and maintain balance.
The narrow path is about balance. It's not veering too
far to the right or to the left. It's in
the middle. It's not up and down. It's not left

(01:33:51):
to right. It is maintaining. Now we journey both sides.
We journey left and right, we go up and down.
There's yin and yane. That's duality, and that's part of
this game. But it's about maintaining resonance in the middle balance.
So again, spirits, we're spirits. We talked about falling spirits,

(01:34:14):
demonic spirits, possessive spirits, angry spirits, right essences, ideas right,
so we can if you look at them as living entities,
if you look at them of just ideas or the
thought life of a person in the way that they think.
If you want to make it less spiritual, because it
is psychological, for sure, they're tied together. It's there's several level.

(01:34:37):
There's four levels of this. It is literal, we read
it literally, but it is allegorical, it is spiritual, and
it is metaphysical, and it is astrological as well. It's
going on in all of these places. And the key
is to bring about harmony, balance, to be at peace

(01:35:02):
with God, to be content that's to be balanced, because
godliness with contentment is great gain. Find peace with yourself.
In order to do that, you got to find peace
with God. And finding peace with God. On that journey,

(01:35:23):
you're going to find peace with your enemies. You're going
to find peace with all the spirits around you. You
may even salute them, Hey, I see what you're doing,
but not me. Not my family, you'll be at peace,
you won't be at war with yourself. And so many
people who are at war, so many Christians, so many
believers who are at war. Then we look at the Muslims,
of some Jewish people or Hindu people who are at

(01:35:43):
perfect peace with themselves and with their families, with all
the beings and animals. They're at peace. They found peace,
they found resonance with those beings. It is part of
the sovereignty plan, is part of the ecosystem of in
the way things work. We're in and out of that daily.

(01:36:05):
It's inside of us, it's on us, it's above us,
it's below us. Everything is mirrored, it is written, it
is living, it is vibration, it is the sound of heaven.
So those spirits want you to come down to their level.
They don't want to upgrade. They don't want to forgive.

(01:36:27):
They don't want to forget. They don't want to You know,
I got friends who try to turn bad spirits into
good spirits and stuff like that and try to show
them their true identity and stuff like No, that's what
they were created to do. And they want you on
their level. They want to bring you down. And if

(01:36:48):
those beings are real, if those ideas are real. Chris Garner,
I see you, I see your I see your your comment,
and I'm with you one a thousand percent. It's metaphysical,
it is spiritual, but it is going on in Gallgatha,
the place of the skull, and internally we see the

(01:37:12):
throne of Heaven is a place where God dwells outside
of us. But Scripture says that God dwells in our
hearts and he's within us. So it's a mirror. It's
as above, so below, as within, so without. There's many
ways to break it down. So yeah, it can be
broke down in the terms of psychology and unlocked. So
much that you've come into agreement with these spirits, you've
given them legal ground. Okay, if you don't agree with

(01:37:35):
the spirits, it's an idea. And once you learn truth,
once you learn the truth about yourself, about God, about
how much you're loved, about who you are, those demons
are cast out out of your mind. They have no
more legal ground to be there. If you think, if

(01:37:57):
you think you don't deserve love, you think you don't
deserve money. Let's go with money. I know a lot
of people who think they don't deserve it. I come
from a poor family. I thought that rich people were snobby.
There was a lot of stuff that I that I
associated with money that was ungodly. It wasn't real. Guess
where it was real at? It was real only in here.
It was my reality. It was the way that I

(01:38:18):
viewed world, the world. It was the light that was
that was within me. Because light has to come in
through your eyes and it also comes out of your eyes.
And that light that is within you in that error,
in that area, which is illumination, allows me to see
into into to make an assessment and to put a
name on it and declare it. Put it in a

(01:38:39):
folder rich people or snobs. Hey, so and so I
owned this company. Okay, cool, Hey I'm pastor so and so. Man,
I want you to come to youth. Okay, Christians, are
this Okay? Is that truth? It's my truth at that
moment until I'm illuminated, until light comes in and that

(01:39:00):
ungodly belief, that demon that is robbing me from making
new connections, from beautiful friendships for people who want to
help me out financially, people who want to partner with
me and donate. Now, keep your money man by needs
your money. Hold on, Like these people are like just
good people. They want to help. It's their normal, Like
their plumb line is money. They come from that family.

(01:39:23):
But it's something within me that has to come. It
has to get out of me in order me to
go to the next level. You got to deal with
your demons, and dealing with your demons is dealing with
your thought life because you have made legal contract for
those thoughts to take resonance in your mind. So this
conversation is totally interchangeable. It is psychological, it is spiritual,

(01:39:44):
it is astrological, it's all of it. It is going
on internally. It's on atomical, Richie, did I say that right? Atomical?
You're anatomy? Is that the the realm?

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Anatomical?

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Anatomical? Look, that's what the riches. You don't know even here. Listen,
it is all of those things. There are different realms
and we got to master each one, and we journey
through each one to get revelational on how to defeat
the other. So some people, especially Christians, can only only
deal with the thought life and deal with those those

(01:40:23):
demons unless they give them a name. They got to
give them a name. Because it makes it real because
we've given everything else a name. We've created a folder
that has a name on it. Rich people are this,
White people are racist. Black people want to fight me.
Poor people are this. The light is fire and all

(01:40:51):
of that, all of those fake phony, they're not. None
of that's real. You have to bring that to the light,
live in the light, and let God destroy it and
purify it. Because we do not see things as they are.
We see things as we are. Allow your mind to

(01:41:15):
be retaught. Listen, guys, that's what repentance means, is to
have a change of mind. Listen. I was man, I
thought it was this, but it's really that. I thought
religion was this. I thought God was that. I thought
so and so was this. I thought the pastor was
a good guy. Wow, he's really this. Right to be
re taught and reformed, not for the lower nature, not

(01:41:38):
for the negative, not to the woe is me, but
to prophesy, to see the good in people, to see
the light in people, not to see them. According to Well,
I went to an all black school and we got
beat up by black people. Like every day we had

(01:42:00):
to fight black people. They would hold the doors closed
and let us out of the rooms. They would, you know,
fight me and all my white friends. Listen, we were like,
the only white people I have a relationship is that
all black people?

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Heck?

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
No same thing. Then I didn't learn that until I
dealt with white people who wanted to fight me too.
All the rednecks wanted to fight me. So now I
gotta fight the rednecks and the blacks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Like who am I with?

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Like you know, and so you deal with all men
equally according to their deeds. Don't judge anything or anyone
before it's a point in time. Deal with all people righteously.
Judge their fruit. Judge their fruit, because all you gotta
do is hang around it long enough and you'll be
able to partake, and you'll say, you know what, I

(01:42:45):
want more of this in my life. I want more
of this sustenance. I want more of this fruit. What
is the fruit?

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Love?

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Kindness, patience first? Just other people. And I used to
be that friend back in the day. Like, why every
time I hang around you you want to go get drugs?
Why every time I hang around you you want to drink?
Why every time I hang around you you want to
gossip and talk about people? Y'all? Know those people in
your life, you have them. You may be that person
to some degree. Why you always want to be deep

(01:43:12):
and talk about spiritual stuff. Why you just can't be
a regular person and take a walk. You know. It's
the folders and stuff that we put people in and
we judge them and we categorize them, and they become
that in our realm, that's not who they are we projected.
Prophesying is being able to see the good in them,
to be able to see the best, and to call
that out and to name them that something that they're

(01:43:35):
not yet to be able to see that light that
is within them. Everyone has it, and that light may
be just a little spark. Some people, it's a wildfire.
They caught the right wind, the right person walked by them,
Jesus or Paul or Peter or somebody like that was
in their path in their life, and blue upon that

(01:43:56):
divine spark, and now they're on fire and their life
has been changed. Listen, meet twenty years ago. You know,
over twenty years ago, I was just in the right
place at the right time, and somebody saw potential in me.
Somebody spoke to that flame within me, and it turned
into a wildfire twenty years ago, and I've never been
the same since we have that ability, we have that

(01:44:17):
power to speak to the things that are not as
though they were. And yeah, it is spiritual, but make
it normal, don't make it weird.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Let it evolve out of regular conversation with people. And
that's just who you are. You're an encourager, You're an uplifter.
You help people. People can open up to you and
share their problems and you won't go gossip about them.
You want more light. Do those things what you read

(01:44:51):
in the Bible, and you read the story in life
of Jesus what he did, Do it and you will
become light. It is spiritual. You're literally eating light in
your body. It is in philosophical, it is in your mind.
Because yes, the stinking thinking is making its way out,
and you have new thoughts about rich people, you have

(01:45:11):
new thoughts about black people, new thoughts about this, about that.
It's not into it until that changes. You have to
give your brain a bath. Win every day. Do it
every day, every day if you got any because these
starts are hurting you. They're not even hurting that person.
That person don't even know that you're you think that

(01:45:33):
way unless you tell them, unless you throw shade at
them when they're around, or comment on their Facebook anytime
they post something witty like check yourself, examine yourself to
make sure that you are in good faith. So I
hope that helps you. Guys. I really enjoy this episode.
This stuff is really deep, It is really spiritual. It

(01:45:55):
is allegorical. There are names to these things, there is
They can person a, it can personify itself as physical
entities in this realm, for sure. You know which is wizards, necromancers.
Those dudes are real like beings, you know, travel from
other realms and show up in the physical for sure,

(01:46:16):
that totally happens. But they have to come pass through
the spiritual portal first. What they are, they what they do,
their tributes, and it gets really deep, and we are
dedicated to exploring that I've given my life to this.
If you read my bio, if you read my book,
I let it be known that I've given my life

(01:46:36):
to the study of the spirit world. And in my
studies it has led me to see that it is
not just spirit. The word spirit or spiritual in the
Bible is ethereal. It is the etheric realm it is
beings that exist in those realms, and we exist in
those realms too, we just don't know it. We're seated
with Christ Jesus in heavenly places right now in the heavens,

(01:47:03):
in the stars. Maybe maybe maybe we have a star
that is governing, that is guiding. I ain't gonna I
ain't gonna listen. I'm dropping too much. We're gonna break
this stuff down in the upcoming weeks. With that being said,
thank you guys for hanging out again. Make sure you

(01:47:23):
check out my Patreon and all the cool stuff I'm
bringing there. If you want to support what I'm doing,
that's the best way to support. You can donate to
the ministry, you can share, you can do all those things.
Everything helps, every little bit helps. And so I'm making
my meditations free. So for those of you who have
not heard the Throne Room Meditation, if you have not
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(01:47:48):
Earthly Mother Encounter which there's voice actors and there's sounds
and experiences and all of that, make sure you go
check that out. And I'm making it free. And it
does cause money to make like I had to hire
voice actors, I had to hire sound people to do
sound effects and all of those kind of things. And
I want to continue to do it. I have so

(01:48:08):
many ideas in the way that I'm able to continue
to do that and to make it free is when
people give and donating things, just like my friend Renee,
when you heard that ding she just donated through super Chat.
Thank you Renee for believing in the work. And so
those the little helps the many. The people who step
out in to help, even if it's you know, on

(01:48:29):
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and so I want to be able to keep doing
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I'm excited about it, but I'm gonna make those free.

(01:48:51):
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(01:49:13):
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say peace and shalom, will do it again very soon.
Piece peace Joe, so much, so much, so much.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
So much.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Well, that does it for this episode. Folks.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
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