The Greatest Deception: Paul Wallis on the Anunnaki's Return and the Vatican's Role in Alien Disclosure

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interested in the topic. And that's definitely the tonight's topic
at hand. I am definitely interested in it. The first
conversation that we had was amazing. We had a beautiful
time together, but it was cut short due to some
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until all of the electricity was cut off. So we
had such a good time, and we've been building and
connecting ever since. So I'm gonna go ahead and jump
straight into today's episode. My guest today is mister Paul Wallace. Paul,
how are you, brother? Welcome to the Trusia Podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
My friend good Atri Sika, thanks so much for having
me on your show again. I really enjoyed our conversation
last time, and I hope I brought you some brought
up better weather this time.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah, it's been nice. So we got some rain right now,
but it's been nice, especially I mean from what it was,
because that was pretty insane, like it was lightning everywhere
and we were talking extreme I lost all power, so
but even I think I tried to I tried to
record some of the stuff off the air, and but

(03:22):
me and you connected off air and we talked for
a good another twenty minutes and it's like, Man, this
is it would be great material. People need to hear this.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, we just have to remember what we were talking about.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Now, Yeah, who knows, I know what we were talking about.
It's going to be something I have to do with
the subject matter that we're talking about today. For sure.
Your new book, The Scars of Eden, we're gonna be
talking about that. That just came out and it's I
think it's actually number one right now on Amazon and
what is it paleontology right now?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Cole.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, And it's up there in a couple of different.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Categories categories.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
So we'll talk about that in the book. What I
want to know is, because I really enjoyed your last one, Like,
what's the difference because this is like the sequel to
the last one you did, Escaping Eden, right, and so
what's the difference in the two.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well after Escaping from Eden was published, I started to
be contacted every week and most weeks every day by
people who had encountered the book and were connecting with
it because of a couple of reasons, And one was
people had had close encounters or anormalous experiences that had

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just busted them out of their old world views, and
we're now in a space of trying to piece their
world together and work out what was going on. But
I heard from a lot of people who had had
close encounters and couldn't talk to anyone about them. And
that's a really way of expressing it, because I heard

(05:02):
from a number of people who would say things like this, Paul,
I hadn't encountered when I was fifteen years old. It
changed my life. I've talked to my spouse about it,
I've talked to the person I was with at the
time when it happened, and I haven't told another living
breathing soul in the fifty years since. That's the power

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of the fear of ridicule around close encounter phenomena. And
yet they still needed to process what happened to them,
and so they were reaching out to me for those reasons.
And I began to perceive patterns in these stories that
really started me on another journey. And then another group
that I heard from very significantly veterans of war, and

(05:47):
in particular veterans of the two thousand and three invasion
of Iraq and I was hearing from people who had
gone in believing that they were laying their lives on
the line for the reasons stated in the press. They'd
gone into free the Kords, or they'd gone save the
world from weapons of mass destruction, or they've gone into

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save the Iraq by affecting regime change. They went in,
and then they found out that their particular unit was
there for a totally other reason, and it was an
archaeological reason. They were there to sequester archaeological finds, take
them out of a rut, and take them to I'm
not quite sure where in America for we don't know

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quite what analysis or experimentation. And you can imagine how
disspicating that kind of experience is. I mean, first off,
it is a traumatizing thing to go into a theater
of war and have to kill people and have to
risk your own life, and then to discover that you're
risking your life for people you don't know who they are,

(06:56):
who are obtaining objects you don't know what they are.
They relate to the world's oldest narratives concerning our origins
as a species, our place on the planet, our place
in the cosmos, and so when these veterans of war return.
That's the white rabbit. They started following their questions took

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them to the ancient Sumerian texts, the Quna formed tablets,
and that brought them to the Fifth Kind TV or
to Escaping from Eden, and then to me in conversation,
And really it was helping those people to process what
story they'd just become a part of, and the compassion

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that I feel for people who were in that situation
that started the cogs turning for me and making me
realize I'm on another journey here that I'm going to
have to share. But there was another reason there had
to be a the Scars of Eden, and that was
that I was preparing for the launch of Escaping from

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Eden when I suddenly realized I was going to have
to tell my parents in law about this new book
that was coming out. Now, my parents in law they're
lovely people. They are devout Christians, love the Lord, They
love the Lord, Baptist and Pentecostal heritage. They're from Ghana,
And I thought, how are they going to take a

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book where the subtitle is does Genesis teach that the
human race was created by God? Engineered by ets? And
by the time you get to the end of the book,
you realize it's engineered by ets.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
I think this could to be fair, isn't it. Can
you still hold onto the narrative of both kind of both?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yes? Absolutely, absolutely, that's right, true Seeker, And that's where
the sequel comes in, because I'll come back to my
parents in Laura in a moment. A lot of people
contact me now because that's the wrestle they're wrestling. They
have come from a faith background, they have had experiences

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that have convinced them of the reality of a transcendent
reality they call God. They have had experiences of manifestation
and relationship with God. And yet now all the narratives
surrounding that seems to be in pieces, after they've realized
they're in a populated universe and that some of the
stories they thought were God's stories are really ET stories,

(09:24):
the Elohim stories I talk about and escaping from Eden,
and so people find themselves in that territory and they're thinking,
what pieces do I pick up? How do they fit together?
How do these two truths go together? Populated universe, ET
intervention in our evolution and some kind of a God reality.

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How do they go together, and in the Scars of Eden,
I spend quite a bit of time walking people through
the reframing that's required the moment you've taken red pill
of populated universe. So I was preparing my parents in
law for that kind of moment. Had no idea how

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they'd take it. So they came and stayed with us
in camera for a weekend, and we had some nice
food and some nice wine. And when everybody was relaxed,
I thought, Okay, this is a good moment, and I said,
coffee patients, let me tell you about my latest book
I've got coming out. And so I ran through what
we just shared. They listened poker faced. I had no

(10:32):
idea how they were going to take this, and you know,
I am their son in law, so I, you know,
wanted it to work out well. At the end of
my little speech, my father in law lean back in
his chair and he said, paul A Penny has dropped,
meaning that all the anomalies that he had found in

(10:55):
his reading of the Bible or Christian explanations for anomalies
in the Bible, had just resolved because of realizing these
stories are really memories of et contact. And then my
mother in law lent forward and she said, Paul, we
already know this story. She said, in Ghana, we know
the Christian story, we know the modern scientific answers, but

(11:17):
there is also an indigenous story that tells us we
are not alone on this planet or in the cosmos,
that there is another non human presence on planet Earth
involved with humanity and specifically involved in abductions and hybridization.

(11:37):
And I couldn't believe these words coming out of my
mother in law's mouth. And then she said, in fact,
we're very closely connected with another family who experienced one
of these abductions. And she ran through that story and
my jaw dropped. I had no idea they had this awareness.
I had no idea we were so closely connected with

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people who had experienced and and that sent me on
a journey around the world. Because the Ghanaian tradition that
talks about these things is called the Mammi Water tradition,
that's the modern name for it. It's actually hundreds of
years old, predating that name. And this account of presence,

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abduction's hybridization is there on the east coast of Africa
down to the Southern Cone, all up the western seaboard
into the Caribbean, Brazil, Haiti, Cuba, as far east as
the Philippines. In the Philippines, they have vocabulary that has
been developed purely to tell this abduction's narrative. That vocabulary

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has its roots in India, so the story is there.
You then go into Europe. The whole of Europe is
named after an abductee. Europa was one of the daughters
of a king of Phoenicia. She was abducted by a
non human entity. She was She produced children who were hybrids,

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three of them three boys. One of them is name
as Minos, and he became the progenitor of the Minoan civilization.
Now what I've just said is toward us history in Greece,
not fable, not fictional mythology. History. The whole of Europe
is named after the person who had that experience, and

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then it repeats in the Norse countries, going to Northern
Europe and Scotland, Ireland, Wales, they all have this same story.
And the details that repeat concerning the abduction phenomena are
the same, and they are curious details and the pattern.
If I tell you what happened to our friend in Ghana,

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every detail occurs in all these cultures through the centuries.
She was on the beach near the water. In her case,
she was on the beach of ann Loga in the
Kita district of the Volta region of Ghana. She was taken.
She was taken for three years and used to produce
hybrid children. They were in an underwater base. That meant

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she had no way of contacting her relatives, and the
people who held her looked almost human, but they weren't human.
And every single one of those details repeats. You go
to Wales, listen to the story of Tilworth Tech, it's
the same details. You go to Scotland and you listen
to the indigenous stories there collated in abber Foyle by

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Robert Kirk in the sixteen hundreds, same story. It's such
an unlikely story and it certainly doesn't parallel any human patterns.
It's not a mytholozation of the slave trade or conventional
slave trafficking. It's a different pattern altogether. And this was
another international journey I made that when I started seeing

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the correlations, had to start concluding this is a this
is real knowledge, this is a real memory that's being
shared here. And when I wrote The Scars of Eden.
It wasn't because I had an ambition to write a
book about eaty abductions. Certainly not because frankly, I want
to be taken seriously. And I know people really struggle

(15:20):
with the language of abductions. You know, people just about
cope with the language of populated universe. But as soon
as you're saying I was abducted, you know, by aliens,
I had an alien baby, you're regarded as being at
the fruit loop end of the spectrum, and people recoil
as if they'd never heard the like, whereas in fact,

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the like has been told us for thousands of years
by our ancestors in every culture, on every land mass
on the planet. And I realized, if I was going
to listen with respect to ancestral narratives, I was going
to have to talk about the abduction phenomena, what it is,
what it means. So that's another significant thread.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
In the skies. Well, we're jumping right in, we're getting
deep off the bat. Let me ask you this, doesn't
that seem a bit primitive for advanced et civilizations to
actually need to what some would consider kidnap a human
and you know, use their embryos and they have to

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carry these childs for children for nine months, versus building
some type of facility or some type of technology or
like a incubator or something like that where they actually
have to go and get a human woman to carry
the children. That seems a bit primitive when it comes
to you, know, these advanced et races, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Say, yeah, I totally understand that reaction, But doesn't it
seem is what we have to say, after we've listened
to what our ancestors said, we have to hear the story,
process the story, and then think what sense does that make.
I'm not sure how primitive it is, to be fair,

(17:08):
because it's taken us as a civilization quite a while
to learn out how to find out how to do
genetic modification of human beings. We can do it now,
and I would suggest we probably have better spacefaring tech
than the public know about, so put those things together,

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we could be in the same boat as some of
our visitors. I'd also suggest that just because people have
better tech for getting themselves through space doesn't mean they're
cleverer in every other respect. If there are abductions happening,
it's because there are things about us that they like
and that they want in their gene pool, and we

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don't know necessarily what those things are. But if you
accept populated universe, if you accept the idea of panspermia,
which means ultimately we're all related, if we go far
enough back, we're all from that same genetic coding for
biological conscious life that's been seeded through the cosmos, then

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it is quite possible that at the same time as
being related, there's something unique about the fusion that is homosapians,
the animal strength, the mammal emotion, the higher consciousness may
have created a somewhat unique blend. Now that's what the
Bible story of hybridization says in Genesis six. If people

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are Bible readers, this is probably the first abduction story
they'll know. With the bene Elihim, which I argue is
the second wave of ets reported in the Bible turn
up to abduct specifically human females, And in the Genesis
six telling, it says they looked on the human females

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and said, wow, let's have some of that in our
genetic pool, and they find humans attractive. Maybe we have
a robust physicality that some of our eteen neighbors don't have.
Maybe we have an emotionality that some of our neighbors
don't have, and they consider that we have more interesting,

(19:22):
more colorful lives because of our emotionality. It may be
that we're being visited by species who are on the
decline because their population is too small. They may simply
need to enrich their gene pool with something else. Now,
you said, isn't it a bit primitive to have to
require a human being to carry a baby for nine months?

(19:43):
But a lot of the aduction stories actually don't include
that the human mother will be used as a what's
the word, I've forgotten the word. This is a middle
aged moment where they will actually carry the baby only
part term, and then the feeders will be taken and

(20:05):
developed elsewhere in the lab et cetera. But there is
something very very important about being in utero for that
part of the pregnancy that our visitors seem to understand.
There was something else I was going to say about
that response of isn't this a bit primitive? Yes, people

(20:27):
say that when they read some of the say the
stories in the Vaders about ancient space faring craft, or
they read some of the accounts in the Bible that
describe vehicles arriving with smoke and fire and shaking the
ground when they land, And people say, isn't that a
bit primitive, you know, for ets or able to travel

(20:48):
through the cosmos? Well, I think so. I think it's
primitive of us to be using that kind of propulsion system.
Seventy years after we started using it to get people
into space and ultimately to the moon, we're still using it.
And maybe getting off the planet is the hardest part,
and you actually do use primitive means for that, and

(21:11):
then you wormhole it to the next place, or you
conscious your way to the next place. These are really
valid and interesting questions, but they're responding to an intact
story that has survived for thousands of years, that has
been told with details that correlate from culture to culture,

(21:33):
from millennium to millennium. And it's part of our processing
of what do we do with this report? What do
we do with this information? And there are plenty of
things that our visitors do that would see to be primitive,
like war. So many of the ancient stories talk about

(21:55):
et demographics warring against each other. Well, that's pretty primitive.
Isn't it. And a few of them talk about them
arriving here and needing a human workforce. Well, isn't that
primitive having a slave species? These Sumerian stories and the
Biblical stories translated in the way I think they should be,

(22:15):
imply that our ancestors were here mining working in minds.
Visitors and people say, isn't it primitive to use human
beings as miners? Well, yes it is, But then look
at what we do when we invade each other's countries.
We invade them because we've got higher tech, and then
we still enslaved the locals to bring all the natural

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resources to us so we can take them home. Why
would we not expect to see something similar interplanetary level?
And our ancestors say, that's exactly what did happen.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Just going back to what you mentioned at the beginning
of us invading Iraq, Afghanistan and all of that stuff,
there was a documentary I have to give credit from
where I've seen it from, but it was from the
Secret Space documentary by I forgot the name of the
guy who put it out. But there's actual footage. It's

(23:12):
heartbreaking footage of us going into their holy places and
destroying a lot of stuff, tanks running over these ancient
monuments and destroying these images and taking a lot of it.
And those places are very ancient, and you know, go
back to our genesis from Iraq, Afghanistan, those places being

(23:33):
ancient Babylon and these places that are mentioned of in
the scriptures, and we're invading them and taking all of
the holy relics and destroying their history and all of
those things. I guess going back, you know, with seeing that,
I've seen that for myself, Like, what do you think
the reason is? Is it so that they can erase
any trace of a history, so that they can retell it,

(23:56):
and which is you know, history is his story. Whoever
is prevailing at the time gets to kind of rewrite
the history books and tell you where we came from
and who our God is and all of this kind
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
True, I think you've hit the nail on the head.
I think that's exactly what it is. And in the
Scars of Eden, I identify many moments through history where
that's exactly what's happened. Where we invade, we take over
the truth and erase all previous knowledge of who we
are and where we came from So that includes you know,

(24:31):
burning books, that includes executing priesthoods. It includes in Australia
last year blowing up Aboriginal Australian sites with hard copy
of their knowledge of our ancestry and our history. And
it includes driving tanks over sacred sites in Iraq. It's

(24:55):
all part of the same destruction of memory. That destruction
of memory is part of the story of the Hebrew Scriptures,
where there is a huge forgetting that's actually commanded in
the Ten Commandments that Moses gave. It begins by saying,
you must serve no powerful ones other than this one.

(25:21):
That one is taken the name Yahweh. You mustn't down
to them, and you mustn't even depict them.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
As far as to say no, that's right.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
And so you've got through the stories of the Hebrew
canon the destruction of ancient sites even then. And so
that story begins then or continues then, and has rolled
on ever since. It means the destruction of ancient sites,
it means the suppression of ancient narratives. And I talk
about executing priesthoods. There was a lot of that in

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the fifteen hundreds, as the New World was being conquered
by the Catholic forces of Portugal and Spain and other
forces besides of course. But you know, when I was
growing up in the UK, that pattern was still continuing.
We had a scientific research facility I used to cycle
passed every morning on my way to school, and they

(26:18):
were working on technology for Ronald Reagan's Star Wars initiative,
and there was a lot of intrigue around what that
was all about, because the way Ronald Reagan had phrased
the announcement of it, and the huge sums of money
being diverted into it raised the question of whether these
were space bound weapons to police war on Earth or

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if we were talking about an extraterrestrial threat. While all
those questions were in the air, and while the technology
was being worked on, twenty five research scientists working on
it committed suicide one after the other. And it was
so glaringly not the case that these were suicides. I mean,

(27:08):
the coroners refused to sign them down as suicides. It
was open verdicts. They kept returning. And then I think
it was Clive Jenkins, the Union leader in Britain at
that time for research scientists among others, actually came forward
went to the press, spoke to the television cameras and said,

(27:30):
this is statistically impossible. These suicide slash murders must be
looked into. We need a government inquiry, and the Government
of the day under Margaret Patcher said no inquiry is needed.
The Minister has already given an answer. These were suicide.
It's an unfortunate chain of coincidences. Now, when you have

(27:52):
an unfortunate chain of coincidences that glaring, you realize it
really is a threat to anybody else not to divulge
what they know. So it's not just the destruction of
ancient knowledge, it's the destruction of current knowledge. We're now, though,
in a rather interesting phase where we've come out of

(28:12):
that period of history and into a period that I
would regard as soft disclosure, where people are allowed to
talk about things that are going on technology that's been
retrieved without death threats such as we're faced by the
people of Roswell, without finding that they'd committed suicide, such

(28:34):
as happened in the UK at that time. They're allowed
to speak and we're hearing from people from very authoritative
positions now making these kinds of acknowledgments, and that's a
big shift that I've seen in my lifetime while my
attention has been on the topic.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Wow, going back to the abduction phenomena and contact these right,
you know, we talked about this on the last episode.
It's just like, you know, even the term abduction, you
don't really hear that term being used a lot. You
got to go back in history to see somebody who
comes forward and say I have been abducted. Now we're
here in contact these, I am a contact ee, they

(29:14):
contacted me or experiencers. I've experienced the craft and it's
something pleasant, something beautiful to them change their life. Mostly
these days, I feel like it's in a good way
versus mid nineties and before you heard abductions and scary
scenarios and a lot of this hybridization that we were
fearful and uh you know, you know, full of terror

(29:38):
for this stuff to happen, and people feel a connection
of something divine, something larger than themselves with this. Have
you found and this is this is you know, just
a deep subject, but have you found these beings to
be relational mechanical because people feel like they're connected to God,
connected the source, relate the et phenomena back to the

(30:02):
angelic even have you found the means to be relational
that this contact carries on even after the initial experience.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Oh yes, I have come to believe there's a great
spectrum of experiences happening, and certainly there are people who
would report very dark and traumatizing experiences. My friend and
colleague G. L. Davies has produced a book called Harvest,

(30:34):
which has looked at an experience so right at the
darkest end of the spectrum, where not only does it
look like a hybridization story, but it looks like this
poor person is being toyed with in order for her
terror to be studied or enjoyed. It's a horrible story, fascinating,

(30:58):
very far reaching. And then at the other end of
the spectrum, if you go to Kenya and if you
can find people who've had these abduction experiences there, the
tradition there is called the Maharani story. Well, those people
will often come back after they're three years away and
they say I was being held by the Maharani and

(31:21):
they're quite nice. You know, it was other than the
fact I couldn't return for three years, I quite enjoyed
being with them. I regard them as my friends. Now
when people come back and share that kind of story
in Kenya, that's not very well received. And such a person,
if they dare speak that way, is either going to

(31:42):
be taken to the doctor for some psycho effective medication
or they'll be taken to the past to have a
demon driven out of them, because people don't like they
don't like the nice end of the spectrum. And yet
in the Scars of Eden, I talk about a conversation
I've had with Barbara Lamb, who has more than two

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thousand case studies people she has personally examined with regard
to their experiences of abduction, and many of them, once
they've come to terms with what's happening to them, would say, well, no,
they didn't hurt me. Actually they were quite friendly. And
as they retrieve memory, they realize, just as you were saying,

(32:25):
truth Seeker, they have had visits from the age of
five all the way through their lives and there is
a relationship. There's a lady in Australia called Jane Pooley
who is very credible, intelligent lady. She's had a career
in nursing, she has three regular children, and then she

(32:48):
claims that she has produced two hybrid children as a
consequence of being an experiencer, a contactee, an abductee since
the age of five. And she would say that being
she's in touch with do have a warmth to them.
They don't have the same emotionality as us. It's not

(33:10):
as developed as ours, but you can have a relationship
and a familiarity and a feeling of safety with each other.
That would be her report, and I think you're right.
We do hear more of that now. And I don't
know if it's because our culture has shifted and there's
more opportunity for people to share stories like that without

(33:32):
being damned or ridiculed, although I think in the mainstream
people who have these experiences do guard them pretty tightly,
and in the research I've done for the Scars of Eden,
I believe these experiences are far more widespread than we
would ever imagine, and that's because of the secrecy with

(33:57):
which most of these stories are carried.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
A question for you as well, when you talk about
a lot of these people disappearing for three years, you
hear stories about people who have been gone for twenty
years but they come back and it's only been three seconds.
Is some of this what we're talking about, or are
some of these people on record for being missing for
three years or did three seconds feel like three years?

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Well, the case is that I have looked at and
that I reflect on in the Scars of Eden the
second kind, where the person was in our timeline gone
for three years and in their timeline gone for three years.
So it's really that very four dimensional world story that
I'm talking about that fits within our paradigms, other than

(34:47):
the fact that there's this other presence involved.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Yeah, So I mean, what do you think about those
stories though? Do they is the is that in the
worldview of something that could happen, because we're we're talking
about some pretty interesting stuff. Is that something that could happen?
Or is it pretty fictitious? Because you've got a lot
of Charlatans that have kind of written books and have

(35:14):
studied other works and interjected and made up stories, I
feel like that, are you know, sensationalizing this phenomena?

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, well, you know, of course you have to begin
by saying anything's possible, But it is difficult to respond
to stories where there's no way of corroborating a story.
If I can put it that way, someone reports an experience,
if there's no way of verifying it, then it just

(35:47):
has to remain a story that we think about and
wonder about. And I'm not being flippant when I say
anything as possible, because consciousness is a very interesting thing
that many people who report close encounters will say I
was aware my consciousness was being interfered with my perception

(36:08):
of time, or my lack of fear, or my sedation
was an interference in my mind or my consciousness. Although
say I was taken to such and such a place,
I think they took me physically, but it may have
been something they did through manipulating my consciousness. Well, as
soon as you're in that territory, then three years slash

(36:31):
three minutes might suddenly have some kind of a framework.
And another thing when we're talking about consciousness, if you
can accept the possibility that we are primarily conscious beings
and that our consciousness precedes our material life and follows it.
As soon as your consciousness is absent from your material body,

(36:55):
time doesn't mean the same thing at all. Think about
the speed at which you dream. You know, the amount
of story you can get into a dream in a
split second to incorporate the dog licking your face. You know,
you might have half a day's story in your dream
that culminates in the dog licking your face. That's a

(37:16):
little clue that our consciousness can really operate very very fast.
People who have near death experiences or out of body
experiences often say, in that state, there is no time.
And so maybe if we're listening to stories of I
was gone for three years it turned out to be
three minutes, maybe we're listening to a story of consciousness.

(37:40):
But when others come back and say I was used
as a soldier in such and such a place for
twenty years and I came back and I was still sixteen,
Well that's an interesting story, but I have no way
of verifying it. I'm happy to listen with respect, but
I just don't really know what to do with that story.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of that, you know, and I've
I've tried to focus on repeatability. Yeah, come back, come back,
come come, give us a sign, those kind of things,
and I've had some luck. You know, it's not one
hundred percent, it's very low, but there's there's you know,
if you gaze at the sky long enough, you'll see

(38:22):
some really interesting things. And I think people who have
had abduction scenarios that if you begin to stargauge, you
begin to see some very interesting movement in the sky
is above your house, in the area that you live.
I'll say that the skies are active. I'll say that
a couple of different places. I want to go. I
want to go and kind of question some of this
stuff a little bit for you and just see what

(38:42):
you'd say. I don't know exactly what we've recovered on
the last episode. This is just stuff that that I
like talking about, but I want to kind of set
it up a little bit from your perspective of a
biblical worldview for the person who is a believer, you know,
which is me. You know what I'm saying, and I've
I've come to rationalize it and see how this fits

(39:04):
into my faith plays a very big part of my faith.
Doesn't go against the Bible, actually makes it quite literal,
makes it versus something that is fantasy and allegory, which
there's definitely those aspects that we love of the scriptures,
but something quite literal that happen of these creators and
these gods who are watching over us. From Genesis to

(39:26):
revelation and are still here now. For the believer, for
the person that's brand new to this, how does this
fit in to a biblical worldview of our creators, the
angelic Elohem and all of that being literal beings that
came here and did I would say, God's work in

(39:49):
seeding us on the planet and things like that. How
would this tie into a biblical worldview for somebody who's
brand new to this whole elohem phenomena.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah, in a word, translation, I mean translation of the
languages of the original texts. And if I were to
go to the beginning of Christian history and listen to
church fathers like Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr Origin

(40:20):
and Marcian, they were people who believed Plato's explanation of beginnings.
Plato believed in God, and when he talked about the
nature of God, his story was in the beginning was consciousness,

(40:41):
and then that consciousness expressed itself in the material universe.
The material universe is there in order for consciousness to
be hosted that experiences itself, and the theory of panspermia
is a nuts and bolts a version of that view.

(41:02):
The idea that the genetic coding for biological conscious life
seeded through the cosmos. That's just a mechanical way of
saying what Plato said. Now, these church fathers held that view.
Plato also believed that life was evolving happily on planet Earth,
including our ancestors, and then some other beings from somewhere

(41:23):
else landed on planet Earth and genetically modified our ancestors
and adapted us the greater consciousness and intelligence. These church
fathers believed all that, and that would shock some people
because it sounds very different to the traditional Christian view
of where we all came from. How could church fathers

(41:45):
believe that and believe the Bible at the same time.
The answer translation. When you go back to the stories
of beginnings in the Bible and drill down into some
translation anomalies, make some translation switches. The story Plato tells
is in the Bible, and it is the story that

(42:07):
is derived from the Sumerians, and it is the story
that repeats in ancestral narratives around the world. And the
translation switches are around some really keywords. Elohim is a keyword,
Rua is a keyword, Cavod is a keyword. Tub is
a keyword. Thank you for that one. Tohu Abohu is another.

(42:31):
I'll go to Elohim, which was the entry point for me.
Elohim is the word, the earliest word in the Bible
that gets translated as God. But if you take it
to its root meanings, it means the powerful ones. And
as soon as you see that, you realize why Elohim

(42:52):
takes plural verbs and exhibits plural behaviors and plural agendas.
So the powerful ones say, let us make humans to
look like one of us. The powerful ones say, we
don't want the humans to be too much like one
of us. The powerful ones conflict over how intelligent the

(43:12):
human beings should be. The powerful ones conflict in Genesis
eleven over how much technology humans should have. And you
realize that the powerful ones the el hymn. That's the
Hebrew word for anunaki, it's the Hebrew word for the
sky people. It's the Hebrew word for those who engineer,
and the means of American stories. So that's a bit

(43:35):
of a red pill. As soon as you make that
translation switch, take it to the root meaning, reread the stories.
The et aspect of what the Bible is telling us
becomes as clear as day, and so I tell people
I'm in no way out to debunk the Bible. I
want to understand it. I want to understand the texts

(43:56):
that have been so carefully curated for thousands of years
and understand what the words actually mean. My first love
was languages and linguistics, and I studied German, French, Latin, Italian, Portuguese, Greek,

(44:18):
maybe a couple of others I can't quite remember now,
And so when I came to my theology, I brought
all that sort of sensitivity with me. So whenever I
go to a text, my first question is what do
the words mean if I want to understand the text.
So Elohim is absolutely vital, bene Elohim, I say, that's
the second wave of ets, because bene Elihim means ones

(44:42):
like the powerful ones who turn up and they're in
con a conflict with the original powerful ones. On and
on it goes, and then you've got moments in the
Bible where there is technology being described. The Ruach that
arrives and over the floodwaters of the devastated planet, that's Tohuabohu.

(45:06):
The Rua is a craft it gets translated as the
spirit at that point, but you go to the route
meaning a ruah is a thing that creates a strong wind,
and the ruaj arrives and starts terraforming. Well, the Philippines
have exactly the same story. They say the thing that

(45:27):
came and hovered over the waters was like a hawk,
and they call it Tagalog and with its wings they
say it created these vortices of wind to clear the land.
The Sumerians begin with the sky people coming down from
the skies and then four winds clearing the lands. And

(45:48):
the correlations again absolutely, And the the Edo people and
the Yoruba people of Nigeria tell the same story, coming
down from the guy and then clearing the land. So
the correlations are fascinating and they make sense when you
do the translation and you realize rua is a craft.

(46:09):
Go to the book of Ezekiel and it tells you
what the ruah look like, sounded like, how it moved,
so on and so forth. So it's really a matter
of revealing what's in the texts and understanding that in
the Hebrew canon, you've got a whole library of literature,
you have got devotional literature, You've got literature about God

(46:34):
the cosmic source, and the prophets who have that vision
use the name Yahweh, but that name has actually been
pasted over these earlier stories that are not about the
cosmic source. They are about the ets who came colonized
our planet and governed over our ancestors. And do a
little bit of translation and you realize it is all

(46:57):
in the mix. So it's not an either or, it's
not God or aliens. It is the whole story, the
wholeship bang. They are all part of the picture.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
So with that being said, you're naming all of these
different tribes, all of these different religious backgrounds and beliefs
and civilizations that believed the exact same thing. Their creation
story is similar with christiandom and with the Bible. We've
claimed exclusivity as all of these other regions and religions.

(47:32):
There comes a point and if we're just studying the
creation story, that we have to give up exclusivity because
we find it being echoed. There's names that are borrowed
from other nations that are in the Bible. There's stories
that are borrowed and just the names are you know,
change to protect the protect certain people see stories that

(47:53):
are told over and over, but there's just little details
that change. And so even with that being said, you've
got to give up some of this exclusion civity and
be able to say, you know what, I see the similarities.
It doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop with creation. It
doesn't stop with the gods or with the Elo, or
with the Aliens, or with the Ennaki or whatever, or
you know, the star gods. It goes into the Christ's

(48:17):
story and the thirteen risen saviors, if you will, and
and and things begun begin to be a little bit
more inclusive versus exclusive, as we've been told that this
is ours and we need to convert you to this.
We find the Biblical narrative to be a very inclusive,
a very universal tradition and uh practice and and mirrors

(48:42):
and mimics practices from all over the world. When did
you make that that that voyage to to open up
and to be able to see God in more than
just what you were You were taught of the Christianity,
the Catholic Church and all this, and to be able
to look at the Egyptian text and see the beauty

(49:04):
in it, to look at the Doo and see the
beauty to look at Ethiopian eunichs, you know, in just
every single one and see the lines that definitely cross
and intersect definitely.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Well, when did I really gradually through many many years
and through studying texts, but also through experience. So I'll
come back to the exclusively exclusivity question is really important,
It's very profound. I'll come back to the Jesus story
at the moment. But if I say that when I

(49:39):
was first a Christian, I became a Christian when I
was seventeen, having previously been an atheist, and when I
came to faith, it was a time of renewal in
the church. Is meaning that a lot of people were
having very powerful spiritual, transcendent experiences and then we had
to get our head around what this meant. And some

(49:59):
of these experiences were very powerful spontaneous healings. So in
my church, there was a lady who began seeing through
an eye that had no optic nerve, and she'd been
blind for years because of no optic nerve. Well, that
is what you call a miracle. And we were seeing

(50:20):
things like that happening. We wanted to get into that,
and so we were learning about healing modalities within the
Christian tradition, and those modalities would include placing hands over
an injured area with the intention of bringing physical healing.

(50:40):
Sometimes you would speak to an injury or to a
body part as if it was an intelligent entity and
start telling it what to do. Those kinds of modalities
things we see Jesus doing in the Gospels, and I
saw amazing healings happen through those modalities. Well, as I

(51:03):
grew up, left home, went to bath the university, started
exploring the world. I started discovering other people were doing
this who were not Christians, people with no religious faith
or spirituality, were doing exactly the same thing with the
results well often getting the same results. And that was

(51:25):
the confronting thing. So it wasn't just that they were
copying us, No, they were getting the same result. And
I had to begin doing business with the idea that
God was much much bigger than this little box I'd
been living in. So things like that clued me all.
From time to time, I'd meet people who we would

(51:46):
do what we called prophetic ministry in our church. That
were often people were able to download information about you,
and you'd think, how on earth did they just do that,
and I thought, well, that's the Spirit of God's speaking
to his people, the Christians to help other Christians. And
then as I started getting out into the world, I realized, no,

(52:08):
this is happening to other people. Other people are having
this experience. People who might call themselves psychics are doing
exactly the same thing. Chiropractice doing exactly the thing following
the intuition. It's exactly the same as listening to the spirit.
And so I had to begin processing all that. Now

(52:29):
come back to the Jesus text, which is more recent
at work for me. And it comes down again to translation,
because I have realized so much of what we read
in our ancient texts and not is this isn't just
Christians doing it with the Bible or Jews doing it
with the Bible. People do it in Buddhist texts, Indu texts.

(52:51):
We read it through a lens. This is a religious text,
we say to ourselves, and so we hear it in
a certain way. Well, the Gospel of Matthew gives us
a little summary of the first teaching that Jesus toured with.
And again, if you use the root meanings of the

(53:11):
words instead of read the translation with all the cultural
layers that go on that language that we read into
the text, go to the root meanings. Jesus's first sermon
that he toured with said this, the amazing power of
the Source is available to everyone. That was his sermon.

(53:35):
That's what he told people, And then he went around
showing what that looked like in terms of healing, entity removal,
emotional freedom, living without fear. He was demonstrating what it
means that the amazing power of the Source is available
to everyone. You get into the Book of Acts in

(53:56):
the New Testament, and it's the same story. The Book
of Acts begins with people having this powerful transcendent experience,
and the apostle Peter quotes one of those prophets from
the Hebrew Scriptures saying, the Spirit of God has been
poured out on all flesh. Yes, Joel, Joel, he's quoting.

(54:16):
That's right, not all Christians, not all religious people, on
all flesh. And then the apostles start touring the part
of the world they were in and they start discovering
it's true. They keep meeting people who are already in
contact with the Source, who are already in contact with God,
and they're seeing manifestations of that, and so they're catching

(54:39):
up with this a great outpouring as they see it.
And then the apostle Paul, I'm going back and listening
to him afresh because I realized Plato's description of God
is very closely echoed by Paul. Because Paul goes to
Athens one day and he asked to clarify what he
means by God. Suddenly, speaking to an audience that has

(55:01):
no Jewish language or Jewish heritage, is going to have
to explain from scratch what he means. So he says
in his little sermon, by God, I mean the source
of the cosmos and everything in it, that in which
we all live and move and have our being.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
I love that definition because that's a definition I think
a lot of people can do business with. It's not
a religion.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
You know what he was quoting there, right, Yes, one
of your poets, he said, the Hymn of Zeus. Of Zeus.
He was using their own text to show them the
beauty of the Creator in all things.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yes he was. And I love that because what respect
he was giving to the knowledge and wisdom outside of Judaism,
outside of Christianity, saying your poet has already got here.
He doesn't quote Plato, he quotes somebody else. You already
know this, and I think that is so powerful. The
moment you believe what Paul says that by God we

(56:08):
mean the source of the cosmos and everything in it,
that in which we all live and move and have
our being, suddenly you've demolished the whole notion of separation
and fear that so much religion is built on. And
when the Empire hijacked Christianity, it used that idea of

(56:29):
separation and fear to refeudalize society with a religious gloss
over it. So now it would be considered that to
be a good Christian you have to be subject subject
to the priests, subject to the bishop, subject to the emperor.
And you're in a feudalized, monolithic society and know you're

(56:50):
not allowed to think for yourself, and don't read anything
written by someone who's thought for themselves either, And that
was the world we got locked into as all orthodoxy
got militarized. But go back to the roots, and here's
this far more cosmic, empowering vision that we are all
connected with Source, and that that can manifest in the
most amazing and wonderful ways. So for me personally, that

(57:13):
reframing gives me a more confident, richer sense of connection
with God than I think I've ever had.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Yep, and you know, it's it's something that's happening globally.
There's an awakening happening. And what would you speak to that.
I mean, I would say my story, I would say
your story, very similar one. But that's starting to happen
across the globe. I feel like a lot of us
were like forerunners to a lot of this. It was
kind of early on we found some of this work

(57:44):
in some of these things that piqued our interests. But
now it's global. It's something that that there is an
awakening happening in the hearts and the minds of people
who have been bewitched, who have been under the spell
of the clergy and those things. But now there's a freedom.
And as we're opening honest with these stories, they're seeing
that hold on. There is some steady stable ground under

(58:08):
this for me to explore, to really talk about and
explore the subjects that I feel like the creator God
has drawn me to, whether it be UFOs and aliens,
whether it be studying the science of miracles, which have
been beautifully explained by Joda Spenza and these kind of
guys who who you know, would draw a red flag

(58:28):
in the eyes of religion, but people were finding it
being more inclusive. But do you think that people have
to give up their religion though their faith in Christ?
Then have you had to give up your faith in
Christ and the beauty of the Cross and those things
and the old rugged cross, if you will, have you
had to take more of a different nuance of what
that means for you? And what about others coming along

(58:51):
after you?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Different nuance? Certainly, I still regard myself as a Christian
because I love Jesus's teachings and I seek to live
my life according to them. But yes, there's been some reframing,
and it has to do with the claim to exclusivity.
I think the moment you begin to unravel the hijacking

(59:19):
of Christianity that happened, and you begin to see some
of the doctrines that were pushed forward by the Church
in order to manipulate people, you start unraveling that, and
quite frankly, again translation you only have to do translation
to do that. Translate the word Gehennah if anyone wants
a white rabbit to follow the Church has translated it

(59:42):
as hell with all the horrible doctrines that go with that.
Gehinnah doesn't mean that Jesus came and he warned people
against behaviors that would ruin their lives. Now, once you
have processed that, I would put it strongly, the gospel changes.
You're looking at a different gospel the moment you've done
that translation work. Jesus came to help, and he came

(01:00:05):
to help anyone who would listen to him. His own
story is part of a wider story. Christians tell the
story of the virgin birth as a reason to regard
Jesus as unique. Where you start researching world mythology ancestral narratives,
and you'll realize that an anomalous pregnancy resulting in an

(01:00:29):
anomalously clever and sensitive and wise person is a recurring story.
The story of Jesus's birth and his mother's pregnancy is
a repeat of what happened to his aunt and his
cousin Elizabeth, and his cousin John the Baptist. That story
is told us a repeat of what happened with Abraham

(01:00:50):
and Sarah and their son Isaac. That story is the
story of a close encounter with three sky people Arians
would call them. So join the dots. Here, we've got
a close encounter with ets resulting in an anomalous pregnancy
resulting in a very important human being to the history

(01:01:12):
of planet Earth. Well, we've got three of those right there.
And then you listen to the story of the Yellow
Emperor l'atsu Vipasi Buddha, the twenty second incarnation of Buddha
before Sidhatagatama Buddha. It's the same pattern, and those are
part of a wider range of stories that we might

(01:01:34):
refer to as the stories of star children or indigo children.
There are mothers today who may tell you, although again
these are stories very closely kept, they might have four
kids and they'll say there's something different about kid number three,

(01:01:54):
and there was something unusual about their pregnancy, and in
their belief, there was some external factor that meant that
child came out more conscious, more sensitive, more intelligent, something
transcendent about them. Well, Jesus's story fits absolutely in that
wide pattern. Now, at first that can come across as

(01:02:17):
very threatening to a traditional Orthodox Christian because hang on
isn't that why Jesus is the Son of God? Isn't
that why he's the Savior? Well, don't panic, don't panic.
You know that story, Just realize it's part of a
bigger story and a bigger vision of God than perhaps

(01:02:38):
you've done business with before. But you know, for different people,
it'll be a different white rabbit. Yeah, but ultimately it
leads to the same great rabbit Warren And you realize
all these topics that connected this, they all feed into
one another, and it's part of getting a bigger view
of what's going on where we're living or where we're

(01:02:59):
from and who we are.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Yeah, and it's part of a bigger thing. And you
got to give You have to give up your exclusivity, like, no,
this is mine, you can't have it. No, it's for everyone,
it really is. And God is dealing with everyone as
Benny not Bennie tripping. Billy Graham at the end of
his life talks about how God has a remnant and

(01:03:21):
a people for his namesake that are all over the
earth and they have maybe never even as even so
much have heard the name of Jesus spoken, Yes, but
they are part of the body of Christ. Listen. Billy Graham,
the great evangelist of our day, said that before he passed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Absolutely I take my hat off to Billy Graham, And
you know, I acknowledge he was a human being. He
had his flaws, but he made an amazing journey, and
I think he made that journey as a man of integrity.
I actually worked as a counselor at a couple of
Billy Graham missions, and I watched first hand in action,

(01:04:01):
and I really loved watching him work. And there was
a great humility to the way he did it. Oh,
and there was a humility to the man in broadening
his view as he got older. He used to be
very strong on that exclusivity. And then toward the end,
just as you were saying, truth seeker, he was acknowledging

(01:04:22):
God has not left himself anywhere without testimony.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
And he got so much flat He's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Bo said, Yeah, that's right, he's sold out. Something's happened
to him spiritually.

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
That lit a fire in me. Man to see the
greatest evangelists of our day at the end of his run,
he's done it all, traveled the world, preached the gospel
hundreds of thousands of people, and then at the end say,
you know what, God is more inclusive and more loving
than we've thought, and he is with everyone man. That
really helped me in my awakening to be more inclusive

(01:04:58):
and to share the gospel, declare the gospel as the
wonderful work of God that's already happened, and there's nothing
that you can do to change God's mind about the
way that he feels towards you. It revolutionized it for me.
There's a couple of questions here in the Chat, and
people are asking about you know, Jesus was different because
he was the only one, only person that ever came

(01:05:22):
through the Holy Spirit, and he was conceived through the
Holy Spirit and not as a as a sexual encounter.
I'm just gonna I'm gonna give my thought. We don't
have to go deep into this. This is my thought.
My studies have led me to the understanding biblically that
Joseph was the biological father of Jesus, and that he

(01:05:43):
was of the Holy Spirit and his spirit was with
the Father before he came to the earth. And and
also that you got to understand to think that Mary
was a virgin. Jesus has two older brothers, and Mary
was a virgin. We're not gonna we don't gotta explore it.
I want to. I want to go to let me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
I want to give another angle on that as well.
I'm really I love a longer conversation with you on
that true seeker. But not unique because his cousin, same
story exactly of the Isaac, the same story. It's the
Holy Spirit. In the case of John the Baptist, it's
the same angel whatever that is, who turns up. And

(01:06:27):
it's after that encounter that Elizabeth is pregnant. So even
within the storytelling of the Gospel itself, No, Jesus's conception
is not unique, not even in the Gospel. So I
throw that out as a challenge.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
I'm with you, and even whether whether you think it's
you know, I think it's it's it's he had a
human father, But it doesn't change the fact of his deity,
I would say, and who he was, and his message
and what he brought. That he was of the Holy Spirit,
just like many of you are. We're conceived of the
Holy Spirit, with a message and with an identity to
bring as well. We're going to open up the phone

(01:07:06):
lines now. I know there's a lot of people listening
right now. If you guys have a question for Paul
or myself, the phone lines are open. The number is
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pause the YouTube, mute it. Give us a call. If
you have a question, we'll bring you on air for

(01:07:27):
a question for Paul or myself. If you want to
join the discussion, we'll open the phone lines up. So
we've kind of tied that into a biblical worldview. I know,
we kind of deviated a little bit. I did that
to bring it back. I want to bring it back
to the aliens. I want to bring it back to
the UFOs. Interesting, somebody in chat who's speaking up a
good bit two questions that I wrote down. They kind

(01:07:49):
of ask these questions in chat. So I want to
bring it back to the fallen angels. So you even
mentioned the beneha Alaheim or even in Genesis chapter six,
there were different beings and most people will say the
fallen angels came down and made it with women or
angels who left their first estate. And you know there's

(01:08:13):
a lot of different nuance even in that of these
fallen angels or these demonic entities which we call aliens.
And like you know, just as well as I do,
most Christians believe that aliens are demons, and I'm trying
to undo that stigma. Demons are demons, aliens or aliens?
What would you say with fallen angels and these people

(01:08:35):
who will say that these are the entities that are
coming down are demonic fallen angels that are trying to
mate with humanity and part of this hybridization and even
working with our government. And that was the second part
of the question. But what would you say to that
whole idea of these demons and things that are where
you're calling aliens or gods are actually demons.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Yeah, okay, the word demon does not mean the same
as fallen angels. You know, if you just read the stories,
you realize those words refer to totally different kinds of entity.
Fallen angel, Yes, that's fair, left their first estate. That's

(01:09:17):
fair because that's the language of the texts the way
they're translated. But you've got to stop and ask what
is a fallen angel? We use the word angel, and
we tend to imagine a holy, transcendent, spiritual kind of being.

(01:09:38):
But the stories of the Fallen Angels are of biological
entities who were similar enough to human beings that they
could hybridize with them. Okay, Now, if you're willing to
accept that when you use the word angel, you're talking
about a biological entity, then fine, use the word. But
the word itself only indicates that the biological entity you're

(01:10:03):
looking at is on a mission. That's all the word
angel tells you. Follow the story, and what you're looking
at is biological entities. You came from the stars, from
the skies, came to Earth hybridized, and it created a
huge controversy and a great stink and a conflict among

(01:10:26):
the non human demographics in the story. That's the very
least that you can say. And for my money, if
we're talking about non human biological entities coming from space,
I'm very comfortable with calling that an alien or an et.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Yeah, that's the difference there is the alien or et
and then the difference between what some people would call
a demon.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
The word angel. Though, I would just come back to
the point about the word angel indicates function, indicates someone
on a mission. It gets used for those entities, but
it will be used to describe totally different kind of
entities in other stories. So some of them are on
a good mission, some are on a mission to help.

(01:11:16):
So please don't think because you've got the word angel
in English in your English text, that it's telling you
about the same kind of entity every time you see it.
This is why for me, everything's about translation and going
back to the original texts.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
And I'm of a different opinion when we're talking about demons, right,
demons and angels whatever that means, right, because the word
angel means messenger. We know this, but the demons, the
real demons, not fallen angels. Again, those are different entities.
But the demons carry a message as well. The demons

(01:11:54):
are messengers too, Jesus, that's true. Jesus manifested that showed
that different types of lifestyles, different types of sins would
welcome or open you up for a different type of
demonic activity or attack. But it was a message. There
were messengers, and so there's definitely a difference there with

(01:12:15):
demons and angels.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
They're also not physical beings. If you're thinking about demons
in the Hebrew tradition, Yeah, they're not physical beings. They
are energy based parasitical beings, and that's something else. In
other traditions, the word demon does mean something physical, but
not in the Hebrew tradition.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Even though they're not physical, right, So those would be
different type of entities if we're going back to Genesis
in the creation story. But for the phenomena of someone
waking up in their room and having an entity at
the edge of their bed, most you hear both. It's
an alien, it's a demon. I was abducted. They've tried

(01:12:58):
to stick things in me, they were looking at me,
they were laying on my chest. I've had these experiences. Yes,
I feel like a lot of people tying them all
together where they were saying that their aliens or their demons,
or they're the same thing. But these are different entities,
and I feel like there's a mixture there. Have you

(01:13:19):
Have you thought of that?

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
I definitely have. In fact, that whole topic of that
confusion is part of the story thread that runs through
the Scars of Eden, because I begin by talking about
an encounter I had when I was twenty years old
with some entities in my apartment in bath and at
the time, I didn't know what they were. It was

(01:13:43):
a terrifying experience, and as I reflected on it as
a young Christian, I thought, well, that must have been
a demonic encounter because it was horrible. It was scary,
and they shouldn't have been there. And the only boxes
I had in my worldview were God, the devil, angels, demons, human, animal, vegetable, mineral.
It's got to be one of those. I had no

(01:14:05):
other boxes. Yeah, now that I've done a bit more
research and realized there are a heap of other boxes,
I go back to that story and think, uh, not demonic.
They were physical entities. They weren't human. I need to
take a different box if I'm to really understand what
that was about.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
I'm with you. In my book, I covered elementals, and
I've encountered elemental beings, and there's even a lot of
Christians starting to talk about elementals. The I think it's
storky on. I think it's the Greek word and the
elements that are mentioned in the New Testament, and I
started writing around the elementals and I've had I've had

(01:14:43):
encounters with beings that are made out of the elements,
and it goes back into law and ancient literature. But
even when you're breaking down a category of yes, I
encountered the elementals, hold on which ones? We're just talking
about Earth, their fire and water, you know, those those
elements and elementals that vibrate on those levels of frequency. No,
there's like a lot more. There's the shades, there's the undines.

(01:15:08):
There's so many more entities that are in that universe,
if you will. Right, and we're talking about UFOs and
aliens and angels, we haven't even begin to talk about
the different races or the different factions, if you will,
of benevolent and benevolent ET's that are watching over us
or trying to communicate with humanity as well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
That's so true. And you know, even if you were
to confine yourself within the Bible, you've got other entities named.
You've got elementals, you've got shining ones, you've got spirits
whatever they are, that will communicate with you. Yeah, yeah,
that's what You've got, all those. And then the moment
you're willing to say there may be information outside of

(01:15:53):
the Bible, your worldview is going to explode way open,
and you're realize this is a far more interesting planet
and universe we live in than ever you thought before.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
Now Again, so I mentioned some of the stuff and
I just kind of just let it slip there, the
saying that our government may be working with some of
these entities, whether they're falling angels, whether they're are creators.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Would you say?

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
That?

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
There's something called the my Lab experiments, and there's very
very interesting whether that's dealing with hybridization, that people who
have reported being abducted or being upon ships and waking
up and seeing what we would describe as some kind
of alien grays or reptilian type beings and then they

(01:16:42):
look in the corner and there's men in military garb.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yes, and how how disturbing that would be. I mean,
it's bad enough that you're in some environment you don't
know where it is, with enterities what they are, and
then when you realize, hey, that's some of our guys
standing over there. Well, how are you going to live
your life after that kind of experience? But yes, absolutely,

(01:17:11):
I believe that is what's going on. I believe that
we have had contact at covert government levels for a
long long time, more than seventy years. Robert Kirk I
mentioned was a Presbyterian minister who went to abber Foyle
and Scotland and wrote a book that he put out

(01:17:33):
in the early sixteen hundreds called The Secret Commonwealth. Now,
Presbyterian minister, you don't come much more conservative than that
in the Christian world. And yet this is what he
is saying. There's another presence that has not only an
involvement in human affairs, but has an influence over human government.

(01:17:58):
That's four hundred years ago, that was being said just
before Christmas. To bring it up to the present day,
Haim Ashad, the former chief of space security for Israel,
the brigadier general who held that position for twenty seven years,
came out and said that on the basis of his
experience and work, his understanding is that there is an

(01:18:20):
intergalactic federation in contact at a covote government level that
has chosen not to self disclose until humanity's understanding of
space is a bit more developed. Well, do we believe
him if he's telling the truth and he's only repeating
what our ancestors have said for thousands of years, then

(01:18:42):
all of a sudden, well maybe you shouldn't be surprised
if there are some guys in our uniform standing in
the corner while you're being probed. Yes, I believe Covote
contact Ed Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon,
the late Ed Mitchell. I think it would be to
find a man of greater honor and integrity than that,

(01:19:04):
even while bound by layers and layers of official secrets laws,
campaigned for the USA to declassify its UFO files and
come clean about the contact it has with et demographics.
So I believe him. I believe hey, Mishad and so yes,

(01:19:25):
that means there is some kind of conversation going on.
The reason that ed Mitchell wanted all that to be
disclosed is because he believed that as a species, we
should be at that table. We should be part of
the conversation. We should be able to say, this is

(01:19:49):
our planet, this is us, these are our agendas, and
to have the intelligence to have diplomatic relationships with other
demographics who are with us, who are for us, now
have a nurturing relationship to us, because our ancestors say
that there are people here from the Pleiades, there are

(01:20:09):
people here from Lyra, there are people here from Sirius
who have a very protective and generous relationship towards humanity.
If that's true. If that's the case, if we have
friends at the table, then we need to be there.
I'm part of the conversation. Ed Mitchell believed it was possible. Hey,

(01:20:30):
mis Shed believes it's possible, which is why he made
the statement. They have more privileged information than I do,
but they certainly give me the confidence to believe the
same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
What do you think that this is getting us ready for?
And I guess what is the purpose of your book?
Do you think that this is getting people ready for
disclosure that's going to happen, whether it's from our government
or just from the skies. Ah, yes, good to give people.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
That's a good distinction. I think if we're thinking about
disclosure from human authorities, disclosure is always blended with cover up.
You know, if a document is declassified, that's great. What
was the document that wasn't declassified? Or if a document

(01:21:20):
is declassified, great can I read the redacted bits? There's
always a blend that happens in these moments of disclosure,
and I think some of the reasoning behind the soft
disclosure we're in now where we've got a number of
senior figures like Haymashed speaking about these things, maybe as
a kind of insurance policy against disclosure coming from non

(01:21:44):
human authorities that if suddenly it becomes blindingly obvious, we've
got company. The government can say, oh, don't you remember
we told you this, Remember the Senate briefings. They'll say,
in a few months time, we told you this was
the case. And it's sort of as an insurance measure
rather than will come clean, We'll tell you everything we know.

(01:22:05):
So I don't know if I put it as strongly
as getting us ready. I think having some kind of
safety net for if the news comes out, I think
that's more where we're at in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Yeah, I'm with you. We have a question here from
Adam starcit Bay, and he wants to know what are
your ideas or findings about the many mysteries of Antarctica.
Many people who come on here, especially when we're talking
about flat Earth. All the flat Earth guys are like Antarctica.
All signs point to this ice wall that we cannot

(01:22:44):
get past whatever in Antarctica that is another alien civilization
on that side. But what are your findings and does
that stick out to you at all.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
It is fascinating. It's not a topic I've really delved
into at this point, but there are certain reasons to
do that, not least Admiral birds testimony from all those
decades ago, not least the no go areas that exists.
I strongly suspect we are looking at a presence there,

(01:23:20):
that we're looking at current technology and buried technology. I
think that there is a rich vein to be studied
in Antarctica. I've not yet done that study myself, so
I can't really speak to it. I just say, yeah,
keep looking in that direction because there's stuff going on there.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
What do you think let's just go out on a
limb just here at the end of the show. What
do you think our craziest technology that we have right
now the government has on the planet. What do you
think the craziest technology is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
The craziest technology that we have? Well, I think that
part of our conversation with some of iet neighbors has
included a system of travel through the cosmos that is
connected to consciousness. If you watch the science fiction, we're

(01:24:24):
at a point now where the ships turn up like that,
they just pop into this bit of space. And I
mentioned science fiction because privileged information has a way of
leaking into filmmaking and storytelling. And so if you've seen
in Star Wars or Star Trek ships popping into space,

(01:24:48):
well that actually reflects what some of our military have reported.
I think that phenomenon has to do with travel through
space or through subspace. Might call it. That has connected
consciousness with technology. And when you listen to our naval personnel,

(01:25:12):
our Air Force personnel talking about how some of these
UAPs maneuver, they say they're moving like their animals, Like
you're looking at a conscious thing rather than a craft
that's being piloted. So I say collaboration because I wouldn't
go as far to say we have that technology. I
think our friends have that technology, and we've been with

(01:25:35):
them when it's been deployed. And maybe some of our
ancients when they talk about being taken into another region
of space, they're talking about that kind of thing. So
I find that very very interesting. I think the moment
you get into the role of consciousness in material phenomena
start joining the dots from some contemporary quantum research. Listen

(01:25:59):
to our ancestors when they took the celts talk about
the seether or Aboriginal Australians talk about dream time. I
think we're in that territory where consciousness can actually achieve
real physical travel. So I think that's the most mind bending.
At the mechanical end, I think we have anti gravitic travel,

(01:26:23):
and I think maybe some of the UAPs are UFOs
that have been viewed are part of that experimentation process
by us. So I think we've got at least those
two things, which is amazing enough.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
Yeah, the advanced technology, and then we're talking about consciousness
and how the technology is connected to our consciousness or
our consciousness is the advanced technology? Yes, being able to
manifest and see some pretty interesting things at will that
for some people are getting faster and faster in order

(01:27:00):
to manifest things within their life or even UFO contact.
Whatever these things are, our gods, our ancestors, a future
version of ourselves, your higher self. There's a lot of
different explanations that people. You know, whatever is out there,
a lot of it is connected to your thoughts and

(01:27:21):
they respond and show up and wink at your thoughts.
It's very very interesting whether we're creating it and it's
showing itself in our reality as we ask for it
as we look for it, just like manifestation with the
law of attraction, whatever you look for shows itself to you. Well,
let's step into the universe with space, alien ancestors. Are

(01:27:43):
you there with the vastness of space and time and
history on some timeline, it's out there. Well, can you
say hello? Can you show yourself to us? And we're
seeing some really, really really interesting things. When it comes
down the lines of synchronicities and and deja vus and

(01:28:03):
the matrix and all of that, consciousness is more explorative
and you know, we can shape our reality through our
thoughts and how real it is. It is very, very,
very interesting, and we are pioneering that individually people can

(01:28:25):
explore that on their own, without any schooling, even without
any train without any training, doing your own inner work
and just the spirit of expectancy placebo if you will,
and be able to manifest whatever kind of spiritual, supernatural
or your reality that you're trying to weave.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
I agree, I agree everything you've just said. And I
think one of the most freeing skills to develop in
a personal exploration is to learn to ask the universe
your questions, ask the universe your questions and expect an answer,
and I'm finding that the more I ask, the more

(01:29:06):
I see. Didn't Jesus say that it's the asking one
he receives.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
Yeah, Yeah, that's it. You have not because you asked,
if you ask now, And that is a universal truth.
And I don't think he made that up. I think
that that was even around hundreds, if not thousands of
years before we've got that story. But it is a
truth that echoes throughout eternity. Paul, what what's next?

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
What do you what do you see coming down the pipeline?

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Well, right now I'm in the thick of launching The
Scars of Eden, so heaps of conversations, interviews, summits, conferences.
Hopefully we're both going to be at Holy Grail Multiverse
in November at Palm Springs, which I'm really looking forward to.
I reckon if I if I know my own rhythms right,
it'll be July that I'll be sitting down to begin

(01:29:56):
working on the sequel of the Scars of Eden. And
for that book, I'm delving into the question of what
other knowledge was buried along with our ancestors knowledge of
et contact, and in particular, I want to sit at
the feet of some of our elders of indigenous traditions,

(01:30:18):
and the white rabbits I'm following are people who've gone
through traditional initiation in African tribal cultures who get those
questions answered for them at that point. Native American story
is rich with answers about our place in the cosmos.
I'm going to go there, Aboriginal Australian the same. I'm

(01:30:39):
going to go there, and I have a particular connection
with the Philippines, and I'm going to go there and
listen to what our ancestors have known, have curated the
knowledge that survived all the burnings and bannings, and then
looking at the evidences again in contemporary science and through

(01:31:00):
history that corroborate what our ancestors have to say.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
When you meet those people, you'll find that there's an
inner knowing that we both know something that we haven't
talked about or haven't been privy to articulate with the
modern world. It's a very beautiful experience to sit with
the elders who keep and hold those traditions, and I

(01:31:28):
do think that many of them now are open to
share with seekers because of yes, a lot of that,
a lot of that knowledge is dying, whether it's being attacked,
whether it's being taken by forced and erased off of
the face of the earth, which we've seen time and
time again. We talked about it at the beginning, so

(01:31:48):
I think that those conversations are even more needed from
other people groups who want to learn about the Indigenous
ways and and how we receded here are spiritual and
you'll find again, like we said, releasing the exclusivity, seeing
that a lot of these stories match up. I remember

(01:32:10):
going to the Native American reservation here in Porch, Alabama
and meeting people, shaking their hand, some of the elder Natives,
and I can feel the energy, and there was just
this inner knowing, and I said, hey, tell me about
the Star people. Man, tell me about the Star people.
And they were Catholic, you know, they had kind of
renounced that kind of thing. I was just part of

(01:32:30):
what's what happened. But they still remember the stories and
traditions of their youth and they share them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
That's right, And I do believe that some of the
elders who carry these stories are seeing how desperately the
rest of us need the knowledge that they have curated,
and we're at a time where there is not only
the need, but I think a greater receptivity to go

(01:32:58):
back to people we've ignored and sit down and listen
and receive and be informed.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
Yeah, that's some beautiful people out there, Paul. Many blessings
on your journey, man. I know we'll do more stuff together.
Really love what you're bringing to the table. Resonate with
your story, Resonate with your work. Thanks so much for
hanging out with me. Means the world. I know you're
busy and you get getting this good working word out there. Man,
thanks for hanging out with me. I really appreciate it.
Let people know where they can go to the best

(01:33:25):
place to go to to find out more about your work.
And you have a great body of work as well.
You have a lot that you bring to the table,
not just these books, but other programs and documentaries even
and all of those things. Let people know where they
can go to get involved.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Sure. Well, for The Scars of Eden, which is my
latest book, you can go anywhere books are sold Amazon, Kindle,
Hive Book Depository, Barnes and Noble, and you can get
your copy there. And if you'd like to get into
conversation with me go to the Fifth Kind TV on
YouTube or the Paul Wallace channel on YouTube, and I'm
always in the comments every day. I'm there having conversations

(01:34:02):
with people, comparing notes, and to keep up with everything
I'm doing, go to my website which is Paul Anthony
Wallace dot com Anthony with an H. Wallace w A
L L I S. Paul Anthony Wallace dot com and
you can keep up with the documentaries, the books and
everything else the research that I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
And Paul, you cover a lot of topics again, spirituality, Jesus, history, religion,
all of those things. You tie it all back in.
But there's something about your UFO, your alien work that
seems to be of interest of people. A lot of
your videos are in the millions of views. Now, is
that something that you've seen that there was an interest
in and you just wanted to double down on what

(01:34:42):
the people were interested in researching?

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
No, it's more me following my nose and my passion
and the things I'm finding out and joining the dots
and happily finding that a lot of people want to
share that journey for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
For sure, Man, Hey appreciate it. Man, you got good content,
good work. I'm a subscribe connected.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
I love what you're doing and I'm really looking forward
to our next conversation too.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
For sure, we'll we'll find another topic and uh and
we'll we'll get down a rabbit hole. Brother, I appreciate it. Man,
many blessings, brood, peace, salone, the good night. He's uh
in Australia, it's mourning for him. So anyway, uh, man,
I hope you guys enjoyed that episode. I really did.
Paul Wallace is amazing and this subject can be taboo

(01:35:37):
for for many people. It could be scary. Again. I
know people early on when I was getting into a
lot of this stuff who were afraid and and the
notion of ets and aliens that that they really believed in.
But how does it How do I reconcile it with
my faith? And so that's the biggest question because for

(01:35:57):
many people, it undoes everything that they've been told, everything
that they've studied, all of their religious experience and religious
encounter with the divine. Was it merely chalked up to
space aliens, you know? And so that was very detrimental
for a lot of people to wrap their head around.

(01:36:17):
And for some people it really messes up their faith.
For me, it had quite the opposite, because it wasn't detrimental,
It didn't question my faith. It made me believe that
it was something more real, that there are portals between
heaven and Earth, and that the angels, the messengers, the
benehai Elohem, the watchers, all of these, these seraphim, the Rapayen,

(01:36:42):
the Cherubim, all of these angels that are traveling back
and forth from Heaven to Earth. Like the Bible says,
and like all the other books of antiquity say, whether
you can go out under the night sky and with
an open mind and an open heart, you can see
these travels. Now you may not. You may have to

(01:37:03):
spend more than five to fifteen minutes, you may have
to spend seven hours. But how bad do you want it?
I wanted it bad. Stayed out there hours every day,
every day, every day much as I could, looking up
all the time, driving, looking up, stargazing, listen. It made
everything more real to me that there were entities, that

(01:37:28):
there were angels carrying messages, carrying essences. The angels themselves
are in essence, and essence is a message. The Bible
is full of this genesis. The revelation, and it made
it more real to me, and so that's why I
study it. It is definitely a part of my faith

(01:37:51):
and it's the very real part. With that, I'm gonna
say piece and shalom. Thank you guys for hanging out.
Make sure you check out Paul Paul's work. Go to
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(01:38:13):
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(01:38:34):
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Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Peace much so much, so much, so much, Well, that
does it for this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
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