UFOs with a Pulse: Unveiling Living Entities

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There are various locations around the planetthat are said to be hotspots or you
know, or portal areas as kindof like known today, you know,
and the places you mentioned are andwe have more over ere in the UK.
We've got one such place which isabout about forty five minute ride away

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from where I am now in thecar, get the car, put some
petrol in the bloody thing. Butyou know, it's called Benton, which
We've had various cryptid spotted there.We've had mutilations there, We've had strange
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Seca Podcast. I'm excited for thisepisode today. I have with me my
friend Chris Evers. Chris, Welcometo the podcast. Brother. How are
you? I'm very well, Thankyou, sir, how are you doing
good? Excited to jump into yourwork what you're bringing to the table.
You're an author, published several booksunder your belt. We're gonna be talking

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about the new one, which isvery interesting, the shape, talking about
the shape of things to come,the shapes of UFOs and the different categories,
and really just diving down that rabbithole of what people have been reporting
to see. And I can't waitto open it up with you, because
if you pay attention to anything inupology, you're seeing a lot more what

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seems to be new shapes and design, kinds of craft and intelligent craft and
beings and all of this stuff isreally fun and we're on the cusp of
all of this. So again,welcome to the show. Ready to dive
into your work, brother, Youwant to just give a quick introduction,
Yeah, well, I will correctyou slightly. I am a publisher.

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I do produce my own PDF basedEasine magazine, if you want to call
it that, which does go outevery two months, and I'm slowly but
surely approaching issue number fifty, whichwill be in June this year. But
I am a first time author.The book is actually my very first attempt,

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you know, writing something like that. My own involvement with the subject
of UFOs, if we want tobe a little bit old fashioned and call
them UFOs while not flying sources,if you want to go back in time,
you know, my own involvement withthat beganning now to seventy four when
I had a strange sighting myself.It was above the skies here in Kingston

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upon hol in East Yorkshire, inGreat Britain. Of course, a group
of ads were out playing one evening. It was a February evening, so
it was pretty dark about four o'clockin the evening and we were allowed to
go out after I'd have my eveningmeal spend about one hour with friends just
messing about as kids of the ageof fourteen years to do. And we're

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actually playing a game of war.When I looked up into the sky,
I was hiding away from my friends. I was going to be the hero,
you know, I was going tojump up and shoot them all with
a stick. And you know,I noticed this light in the sky which
blinked on, and then didn't thinkanything too untoward about it. And then

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it blinked on again, but alittle bit nearer to me. That raised
my interest a little bit more.And then it blinked again, but this
time back in the middle of thetwo original positions, so position one,
position three, then back to positiontwo, and it leaped frogged across the
sky, doing this towards where Iwas hiding. Anyway, as I said,

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it was a February evening. Itwas We've been pretty lucky with the
weather to be no snow, norain or anything like that. And I
was hiding on this hill, thismound of mud which some buildings that had
put scraped all the ground, gotother the rubbish, get the ground level,
you know, piled it all intoa big mud mound. And I
was sitting on top of there whenI saw this, And when it came

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above me in this beautiful, clear, bright, clear sky. You could
see all the stars. You know, there's no street lights around or anything
like that, because it was anew housing estate which was partially built and
we was in a new home there. Anyway, I shouted to my friends,
look, guys, up in thesky, there's a UFO. Now

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I only called it that quite simply. Be course, I'd been watching TV
shows in the UK, things likeDr Who, which I suppose is universally
known the brand new at the timefor me, a Star Trek, which
was a brand new in the UKfrom about nineteen seventy onwards. But one
show that particularly made me call ita UFO was the one done by Jerry

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Anderson about Shadow, and it wastitled UFO, and that was all about
aliens allegedly visiting the planet Earth togather body parts to take back to their
own planet to look after their owninhabitants on the planet. I wonder where
the idea came from. Anyway,that is why I called it a UFO.
But when I shouted that, itwas as if this bright point of

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light, which was a singular light, I couldn't see anything else but a
singular light. It literally blinked outand it just did not reappear. You
know, as I said, wecould see total sky, and it should
have followed the same pattern moving acrossthe sky as it had previously done,
moving from southwest to the northeast.But when I shouted the UFO was it

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heard me say that, and itjust blinked out and it never followed the
same pattern across the sky. Soit was that that intrigued me and brought
me into the subject. I meanback in those days, back, I
mean it's fifty years ago this year. The only information that was around was
the occasional book by a British authoror the books from people like Major Donald

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keiho x x US Marine Corps,you know, who was quite high in
the nineteen fifties nineteen sixties with Nightcapas you will probably remember, excuse me.
And so I started reading looking foranswers to what I'd seen, and
unfortunately, fifty years down the line, I'm still looking for that answer to

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exactly what it was that I experiencedthat night. Wow, how old were
you again when this happened? Iwas fourteen, Well, I was fourteen
in the April, so it wasI was nearly fourteen. I was thirteen
in a couple of months, youknow, And being a fourteen year old
lad, who'd you go to?Where do you get information? Who do

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you report it to? You know? I mean, yes, we could
go to the police, but thenagain it'll probably be logged and just in
in a way, somewhere in adraw and completely forgotten about. So I
basically kept it for myself and investigatedand found out what information I could by
reading books and looking for an answerto what I'd seen and what I'd experienced

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that particular evening. So I thinkI find it very interesting that when you
when you acknowledged it, it wasjust trying to get your attention. Oh
he saw me good, so weneeded to do. He's young, impressionable.
This is going to stick with himforever. To ask the deep questions

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in ponder and maybe he'll go research, maybe he'll get the books. We
appeared to many other people, theydon't think twice about it. This one
here may start asking deeper questions andyou did did you feel like or do
you feel like that? There waslike a continued contact or connection with epiphanies

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that come to you while you're researchingand all this kind of stuff like you're
being Yeah, no actual contact.I had another experience in the mid nineteen
nineties, which I will explain foryou in a second, But there was
I think it was. There musthave been something there. First of all,
for this thing in the sky whichwas quite eye up to actually have

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heard me say look a UFO,you know, and shout that to my
friends. It's like there was aconnection there, Like I don't know if
it could read my mind or ithad some kind of audio listening device that
could pick up sound, you know, but there was something. Then I
had the same conversation with a goodfriend of man by the name of Philip
Anthony Kinsella who's quite well known,you know, in the UFO field,

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and he is released several books aswell, and we kind of agree that
there was there must have been somekind of connection there. Now, my
second experience came back in the midnineteen nineties. About this time, I'd
already been involved in the subject quitea number of years, reading information,

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trying to get information from a publicationby the name of UFO Magazine, which
was around the UK version, ofcourse, which was around back in the
nineteen nineties until the early two thousandand published by Graham Betel and his brother
Mark Betel Anyway nineteen ninety seven thata group of us were running the whole

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UFO Society. Hull is the shortenedversion of the town that we live in.
It's Kingston up on Hull, andthe whole is actually a river.
But anyway, we we're down atthe banks at the back of the British
Aerospace Factory, which is on thenorth bank of the River Humber, which
actually isn't a river, it's anestuary. But that's a different story altogether.

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You know, we sat there,we're doing a sky watch. There
were three of us and we're ona public footpath, but it was like
ten o'clock at night, pitch black, so all the security guards, so
the British Aerospace Factory we're watching us, especially when we got our cameras out
and our you know, our handelcameras and video cameras and so because this

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was back in the days of videoand nothing digital or anything like that.
It was film images or you know, a video camera. Anyway, we
sat there and we thought, right, we've been here two hours. Nothing's
happening. Let's move further up intothe hills around the city. Anyway,

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we put all the camera gear awayand packed everything up, and we're just
about to leave when lo and beholddown the opposite bank away from from where
we were positioned, there was ahill which and down the hill came a
white I'll call it an orb forthe want of a better description. This
white orb came down the hill.It floated down onto the river, got

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to about i'd say about a thirdor a quarter of the way across.
Then I sat watching it, sorryit stood watching it and turned to my
right, which you know on screenhere is to the left, but and
watching it float down the river abovethe water, and it went so far
down i'd say it got about maybea mile two miles away from the position

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where I was standing. And itblinked out and it wasn't seen anymore.
So I turned to my two friendsand I said to them, oh,
it's gone, and they said tome, no, it hasn't. It's
gone to our left and it's goneunder the Humber Bridge, which at the
time was the longest single span suspensionbridge in the world. So I turned

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and watched it go under the Humberbridge again about a mile two miles away
from our position, and again itso it blink out. So whatever it
was had come down, split intwo and gone in two different directions.
So that was the second sighting thatI actually had back in the nineteen nineties.
And all this was of course whereyou know, we run the whole
UFO Society and passed information to people, try and get information out there,

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bringing sighting reports like any any groupdedicated to the subject would do. Wow,
and so do you what do youfeel today? As far as you
know it, you're connection? Whatdo you feel like if you have to
look back on it where you chosen? I know it can seem Messiah complexy

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or I'm I'm this chosen one,I'm the special one. But obviously if
you look into enough UFO reports asyou have, there's a lot of people
having a similar experience with with theseobjects and with these lights, they try
to get their attention, They blinkat them, acknowledge them. Cool,
there's a there's a seed that's plantedthere early in life, late in life.

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Whatever, I had a similar experience, you know. So I'm a
student and you know on these podcastsasking you your and so we bring our
pieces together and it starts painting apicture. So what do you feel today?
It's obviously painted a life for you. You know, this is this
is what you do? You know. Yeah, I don't feel as if

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it was anything missianic, like abig revelation or anything like that. But
I do feel I'll put it init's simplest terms, I was in the
right place at the right time toactually witness something and that is basically how
I feel about that. And youknow it as I mean, there have

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been times through that fifty years whereI've taken a couple of years away,
so it hasn't been something that hascompletely dominated my life in looking for an
answer. I do feel that theremust have been some kind of connection there
because I do feel not special.I don't feel like I've been literally picked.

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I feel I made the choice toactually investigate citing reports, and that
obviously led onto the whole UFO Society. My first paper based publications I would
put together for members of the society, and these eventually actually went around the
world. You know, I usedto have sub subscribers to the paper based

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publications in Japan, in Germany andFrance. You know, Argrentina and the
United States of America, so youknow, there have always been I just
feel that was maybe my choice.I feel it was my choice to do
that. But perhaps I don't know, Perhaps they can read what's going swapping

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in the future. Who knows,Perhaps that was some kind of hidden destiny
that I don't know. I can'treally answer that. Yeah, I do
find it interesting how we can lookat these types of encounters and experiences,
whether UFO is supernatural, paranormal,and when there's a group of people there,
and how it affects each person differentlywho saw the same thing, you

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know. So I'm just reminiscent ofyou of your friends who were with you
who saw as well, Like whatdid they go on to do even after
you've been telling them, you know, about this this UFO stuff and you
have a you know, a printand all of this that you're working to
get the information out, and thenthere's the proof, like there's the saying
like did it change the course oftheir life? Where they're just like,

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ah, it was strange, wedon't know what it was, and keep
going there won't happen again. Youknow. I'm always intrigued by that because
I've I have those experiences either,I can't quit thinking about them. Yeah,
other people with me, they're like, I haven't talked about it since
I wrote a book about the subject. I'm interviewing people telling my story across

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the world. This affected me different. Yeah. There were two people there
with me on that second occasion inback in that I think it was ninety
six or ninety seven, I can'tremember the exact year now. One was
Amanda, a lady by the nameof Amanda who had been claiming some kind
of deeper connection and the occasional visitationby something, which I mean, I'm

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going back thirty years ago. Ican't remember exactly what she said, but
that was part claimed of something thatshe'd been witnessing for quite some time around
that time period. And I haven'tactually spoken to Amanda since nineteen ninety eight,
nineteen ninety nine. And the gentlemanthat was involved involved at the time

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was also interested in the subject.That's why obviously we set up the group.
And his name was Jason, andI've not actually spoken to Jason since
about the same time period, tobe quite honest. And what they went
on to do and how they gotinvolved with whatever else they did, I
couldn't really say, although I cansay a Manday actually set up another UFO

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group in the town of Scunthorpe,which is about thirty miles away from where
I'm sat right now. So whetheror not she moved across there or stayed
in the Kingston Upon whole area,I cannot really say, to be quite
honest. So obviously it made animpact. And obviously you've got the you've

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gotten the word out, You've doneeverything possible and still are doing it possible
to get the word out, justto bring awareness and your own scratch your
own itch, right, this curiositythat you have in trying to find answers
which many people who would listen toa show like this they've had maybe a
similar experience that they can't explain.So where where does the work go to

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get involved with starting to categorize thedifferent shapes and types of craft so they
maybe, okay, maybe this isn'tjust one phenomena that that's going on because
different colored lights, different shape ofcraft, and all of these different Like
where what does the fatuation and youknow come from that? And where do

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you begin in starting with you know, categorizing them yeah, I mean with
the ones. We know those couple, but we know it gets very strange,
very fast, right, Yeah,it does. Here. As I
mentioned a moment ago, I spenta couple of years away from the subject.
You know what I did when Icame back to the subject, which

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was round about the middle of twentyfifteen, I am I suddenly thought,
well, you know, I'm alittle bit old fashioned. One interview recently
called me an old school upologist,whatever that means, you know. But
anyway, I realized, you know, it was quite a bit of time
since I'd updated my knowledge of theongoing situation. You know, I still

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refer to them as flying sourcees orUFOs. You know, I didn't realize
at the time, which is it'smore predominant now that the name UAPs.
Of course, So anyway, Ithought, well, I'm going to have
to do something to read up andget as much more modern knowledge as I
possibly could do, to make myselfaware of the sightings that have happened,

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met myself aware of what people areclaiming nowadays. And so what I did
is I started just reading up reports, buying a new books, and a
good friend of man by the nameof Philip Mantle is an author. As
people probably known, he's also apublisher with Flying dis Press. So once

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I set the magazine up, hewould kindly send me books to review for
the publication. So those all helpedwere gaining the head knowledge and making myself
more aware of things that were occurringtoday. And I just suddenly thought to
myself, it's great having all thesebooks, and it's great having all this
information. It's great having all thesedifferent claims that people make. But why

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are there so many different sightings ofdifferent shaped UFOs. So I started just
basically in them together, and thatis all that I did, and I
kind of wrote the book. Itwas more of a not a dictionary,
that's the wrong word, but maybean encyclopedia of the different type of sightings

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that I've been around, you know. For example, in the book,
I start with one that I couldnever have witnessed, which happened in the
year three twelve a d which isa cross shipped a flying object which was
seen by the gentleman. I'll callhim a gentleman because I'm being calmed.
But he was a Roman emperor bythe name of Constantine, who obviously went

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on to set up the Christian Church, the Catholic Church in ancient Rome,
and he claimed he'd had a visionin a night where he added an announcement
given to him that if he foughtin the next battle. I think he
was in a cross with a certainwords or something on a banner that,

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you know, Christ, the Christianswould be with him. So I think
he was using that as a kindof excuse to solidify years old of the
ancient Roman Empire empire. And whetheror not he actually saw what he claimed
was a flying cross at the Battleof I think it was the Malvin or

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the Malvern Bridge, something like thatin ancient Rome. Obviously we can never
prove that or disprove it, butit was those kinds of things, you
know. And I went forward intime and I found a story from Japan
of an ancient priest who was actuallygoing to be beheaded for I think he'd
upset of the emperor, Emperor ofJapan in somewhat some way, and he

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was going to be beheaded. Itwas I'm sure, it's pretty sure it
was a daylight ceremony where he wasgoing to be killed basically. But when
this was about to take place,around silver colored moon shaped object. So
obviously talking circle shaped here, youknow, or maybe even crescent shapes,

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who knows, because the actual shapeis not described. It's just described as
a moon shaped object was seen inthe air skies in Japan when he was
about to be beheaded, and Ibet it was grateful because to let him
go after they all seeing that,you know. But you know, the
found stories like that. So wehave either a circle or a crescent shape
like the moon kind of sighting.And then we come forward to nineteen forty

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seven Kenneth Arnold. He had twodifferent shaped sightings, one which was crescent
shaped, I suppose, you know, the other one, which we could
say was perhaps bat wing shaped,you know, with a kind of like
angle at the middle at the backof the object going out to like two

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wings. And obviously it came forwardin the semi circle shape. So he
had two different sightings which he said, well, you know, it was
like a pie dish. It moved, it was thrown across water, which,
as we know, some enthusiastic memberof the media at the time described
it as a flying saucer because ofwhat you know, it had been described

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to him by Kenneth Donald. Soeventually I just thought, well, there's
all these different shapes. We comeforward, we get egg shaped Loni Zamora
the sighting over there in the US. You know that he had in the
desert that was described as egg shaped. So all these all this information I
just gradually put together and I thought, I'm going to write the book.

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Is it's like refreshing my own mind. And at the end of the day,
there's nothing wrong with refreshing knowledge thatwe have, because well, with
a book, it doesn't matter tome if you've been involved in the subject
three weeks or you've been involved inthe subject thirty years. There's no harm

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in taking a read through a publication, like you know the shape of things
from elsewhere, and just refresh theknowledge that you have on the subject.
There's nothing no ham with that,with anybody doing that whatsoever. Yeah,
those have become, you know,some of the common shapes that people see.
What's one of the weirdest ones thatyou've that you've categorized in your book,

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say that there are two sightings actuallywhich described as oblong or square shaped.
The first one was of the EnglishChannel, which is you're probably aware
it's a body of water, It'sabout three hundred and ten miles long.
It runs from kind of like Doverin the south of England all the way

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through to the Cornwall area of theUnited Kingdom, about three hundred and ten
miles in length. It's shortest distancebetween France and England, it's twenty one
miles. And it's farthest distance Ithink it's something like two hundred and ten
miles, which you know is whereour Channel islands are, you know,

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in the English Channel air which justnorth of France. Anyway, this device
was described as an oblong shaped devicewhich was seen offering over the English Channel.
Now, please forgive me, becauseI always get these dates mixed up.
I don't remember if this one wastwenty twenty two or twenty nineteen,
but I'll be relevant in a moment. This device was seen and pictured all

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quite a distance away from the personwho spotted it and captured an image.
It's actually in the book. Now, either it's something small quite close to
the camera, or it's something extremelylarge a fair distance away from the camera.
Now, if it's something extremely large, what kind of propulsion system is

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holding it in place above the EnglishChannel? You know, what kind of
power unit does it have, Andas far as I remember, there was
no noise coming from it whatsoever.Now this comes more relevant because again I
can't remember if this one was twentytwenty two or twenty nineteen, but we
have a sighting from I believe it'sConyers in Georgia, USA, of exactly

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the same device flying over the townor the city, forgive me, not
knowledgeable enough to know if it's atown or a city, you know,
but it was the same device floatingover this place in Georgia, USA.
Again it was stationary. And whatkind of propulsion unit again was provided to

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this device, you know to makeit ang there just in the sky.
Now, if it's a solid let'ssay, nook some bolts craft, if
the birth were you know, whatkind of technology have we got? If
it was man made, put thisthing and hold it, held it in

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station in the sky, so somany hundreds of feet up in the sky,
you know. But if it's notman made, where the hell is
it coming from? Because we've gota gap of three years between both those
sidings, where whatever it is ashave gone somewhere else, or it's been
flown across the Atlantic and it's nowresides in America. So what is it?

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What kind of deviceive it is it? You know, nothing like the
TR three B, nothing like anyof the so called you know, new
technologies that we are aware of.That's you know, the secret technologies,
which of course the SR seventy oneBlackbird that was often described by people in
the nineteen fifties as it was beingmanufactured, you know, and this was

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sometimes the American authorities U you knowwhere this was built. You know,
they allowed people to say it wasa UFO because they obviously didn't want any
potential adversaries getting it the information thatAmerica was developing this kind of craft.
So we do know that the authoritiesin America, in Britain and in other

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countries around the world have often usedthe idea that UFOs are simply that they're
extraterrestrial. But that's happened because theauthorities around the world allow that to happen.
Yeah, Now, what about theones that are able to morph,

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because some of them can like showup in a shape like that, like
they're solid object, whether it's atriangle or a disc or anything, but
then all of a sudden, theylook like they may vibrate really fast and
light up, and then they changedshape and the morphine there's something else,
and then shoot off fast or morphinand other ones come out that they split

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into five other ones that fly offin different directions, and then the main
one that was there is no longerthere. What about the ones that morph
have you? Did you? Didyou look into that at all? I
did actually cover that kind of specificI call it device or craft or whatever
it is. You know. Actuallyin the book, what I tried to

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do was take a section on FT'sflying triangles, then another section on orbs,
and then another section on cross shapes, and I tried to categorize them
that way as I went along.But you are correct, you know,
some of these devices, I supposewe could call them maybe motherships, where
they push out some other type ofdifferent shape craft from the from the inside.

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There are many cases going back manymany years where this has actually happened,
you know, where a type ofshape of craft i e. Cigar
shape have actually been seen and theyfired out smaller sauce of type shapes,
you know, and this is allthese kind of things. You are correct,
These have gone on over the years. But actually in the book,

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I tried to focus on in eachparticular chapter, that particular craft shape that
was in that chapter. I didn'tactually speak about morphing ones or anything like
that, but yeah, I thinkI'm going to have to write an update
to the book the morphing ones.Yeah, you know a technology or a
feature that many of them can do, the change shape or even cloak,

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you know that kind of thing,just blend in, wrap light around it.
And but then what happens traveling atthe speed of light, traveling faster
than that? You know, yousee, you do see a lot of
that. Let me get your thoughtson this and if you if you know
anything earlier, because I've heard thatthat that it was mentioned, But what
is your take? Did you coverthe jellyfish UFOs? Know that's really popular

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right now in the news because therewas some footage released of this kind of
clunky looked like a machine or somethingaround in Afghanistan over a military base.
What's your thoughts on that video?And have you done any research on those

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types of craft? I haven't.Actually this actually happened after I'd already released
the book and finished it. Iactually finished writing the book in March of
last year, but it wasn't releaseduntil December of last year. Anyway,
I think one of the important wayyou've just mentioned there was a military base.
Now, we do know that dronetechnology is used in all aspects of

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warfare, and you know, we'vehad the recent unfortunate killing of three American
soldiers in the Syria area of theMiddle East at the moment, which was
done by own So yeah, dronescan be used. Now the so called

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jellyfish. My own personal belief onthat, and I admit I could be
completely and utterly incorrect, but myown personal belief on that is that it's
a box. Now, there werea couple of reasons why you say that.
The first one is, yes,it was picked up on camera.
Okay, but it's in infrared allegedly. But how did they see it at

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first? You know, it wasn'tallegedly supposed to be seen on a normal
type daylight type camera. You know, how did they pick it up?
How did they find it? Theycan't have just had the room for red
on for no reason at all.It must have been you know, they
must have known that it was there. I've also heard reports that it looks

(34:54):
very similar to a religious balloon thatwas released in the area of Afghanistan,
or is released in some areas ofthe Middle East, which is known as
an I forgive my again pronunciation.I'm a lad from Yorkshire. We don't
pronounce h's half the time. Soanyway, I understand it was a balloon

(35:16):
shaped device for an id or aneyed festival e I D. So that
to me is enough to throw adoubt onto the fact that it could have
been an extra terrestrial or a ufoishwe call it bluntly. Yes, it
is a UFO because by the verydefinition of the term, it's unexplained.

(35:37):
It's unidentified. But whether or notit's a visitor from Zeta reticular is a
completely different question altogether. Now Iagree with you for personal reasons, and
those personal reasons that I believe thatjellyfish craft or maybe the this is a

(36:00):
segue jellyfish type beings, extra terrestrialinterdimensional beings that look like jellyfish exist and
have been spotted and have been recordedand are recorded in history, and some
of these ancient writings in these newssources as well that you're talking about from

(36:21):
the fifteen hundreds fourteen hundreds, andyou know, in the Renaissance times there's
that so I would say if ahoax like this could be, this new
one would be to look at theclunky nuts and bolts versus a phenomenon that's
happening right now of these types ofcraft or beings being spotted in our skies.

(36:45):
What are your thoughts on that.There's a couple of things just to
mention regarding the jellyfish. First ofall, there was something similar seeing about
a year ago. I think thatwas in Iraqi, for remember, correctly,
which was allegedly again a UFO somethingsimilar of Iraq, which was filmed

(37:09):
again again about a year ago.And the second thing to remember is modern
technology is absolutely fantastic. You know, you have to be very very careful
today. We can so easily betricked with modern technology, modern software,
and we can add things to footagethat was never there. I mean with

(37:30):
what I'm looking forward to the nextJurassic Park when that comes out, and
see how real the creatures will lookon that, you know, I mean
even going back to that when theoriginal Jurassic Park came out. You know,
the technology, technology that they useto create the idea of these dinosaurs
walking across the ground was fantastic.And look how far we've come on with

(37:52):
that technology now, and you knowthat's why I think we have to be
very very careful as investigators or researchers. And I'm mainly now a publisher of
a publish you know, the Limitsmagazine, which is I no longer actively
you know, go after modern UFOreports. There's enough people around who can

(38:16):
do that, who are probably quitea lot better than I ever was anyway,
And so you know, we haveto be very very careful of what
we say is and isn't a UFObecause we can be fooled in so many
ways. Yeah. Well, likeyou said, it's just it was your

(38:36):
opinion that that thing is a hoax, and I would say it's mine too.
But for what reason, right,there's a reason. I believe there's
a reason why why UFOs are allin the news right now. You know,
it's a it's a narrative type thing, and I do think it's a
diversion on where to look and howto look. Yeah, so there's your

(39:00):
UFO or octopus, you know,UFO theories or whatever. Now I will
just go back. I will justgo back slightly. You remember me mentioning
the UK version of UFO magazine ina few minutes ago, back in the
mid nineteen nineties, there was areport in there of what they described as

(39:22):
a jelly like, jellyfish like creaturething, if you want to call it,
that that kind of lives in theAf's atmosphere or somewhere around the earth,
you know, and that was mentioned. I distinctly remember that reading about
that back in the late nineteen nineties. So you're completely correct. These kind

(39:45):
of things have been seen over thedecades of a millennia, you know.
So yeah, there is definitely somethingweird, something crazy going on. Yeah,
even with the craft and stuff.So I would I would you know,
liken to a living vessel. Youknow. There's that theory that that

(40:07):
many of these types of craft orobjects, you know, whether they be
metallic and can solidify or put onan armor or something like that, right,
you know, which is interesting.Many of them look like they're alive,
changing shape, fluidity, you know, doubling themselves and coming back together
and intelligent and now it's almost likeit's communicating with you telepathically and stuff.

(40:30):
So there's a lot more to theconversation as far as just getting caught on
the nuts and bolts fos that thisis something. I mean, I think
there's a reason why it ties intoreligion and spirituality, right, because it's
it's a spiritual experience to see suchan object, you know. Yeah,

(40:50):
I don't forget seeing it as well, you know, yeah, I mean
precisely. I mean, don't forgetthat to some euphology is a religion.
Yeah, you know, it hasreplaced modern Christianity or you know Islam or
Jurydaism or by High or whatever isthat. There's a lot of people who

(41:13):
view it. You know, thereis a zealot about you pose as some
religious people are about their religion.So you are correct, there are some
religious takes to the subject. Butall I would ask for is for people,
you know, to provide some kindof evidence that can be investigated and

(41:37):
looked at. It's okay, it'sgreat me saying to you, mister truthsaker.
You know, I was here andI was sat there, and this
thing came along and sat came downbeside me. But you would say to
me, well, what proof haveyou got? And that is all I
ask is that people, if theycan gather some kind of proof, some

(41:57):
evidential proof, you know, isthat we can investigate and that we can
that we can investigate and give correctanswers to because as UFO investigators, all
we do is investigate the report.We don't investigate the actual landing of a
craft or the abduction of an individual. We investigate reports. Yeah, I'm

(42:23):
gonna soon. I don't even knowif it's on my computer, but I
have personal footage of the jellyfish typecraft that was taken on Christmas Christmas Day
twenty twenty three, and I haven'treleased it. Yeah, I'm kind of
embarrassed of the footage because it's notthe best. Well, let's be let's

(42:45):
be honest. You know, ifsomething like that is happening in front of
you, let's be totally honest.I mean, if it is happening in
front of me, the last thingI would do was get my telephone my
mobile phone cell phone as Americans callthem, out of my pocket and film
whatever it was directly in front ofme. And if I did do that,

(43:07):
the next thing I wouldn't do wascheck my camera settings, because you
know, these things are so fleetingwhen they do amm that we want to
watch them with our own eyes.So I always say, for me,
as an individual, the best evidenceI have of my sightings, the two
you know, seventy four and ninetyseven my eyes, it's the evidence I

(43:30):
saw with my own eyes that cannotbe taken away from me. So at
the end of the day, Idon't have to prove anything to anybody.
And now that do you it's yourevidence for your sighting. Sure, yeah,
yeah, And I'm with you justbecause of the technology and what we
have and that being being seen.You know, I don't know the implications

(43:53):
of releasing it. Again, it'sit's not the best footage, so it
would still to be honest with you, my daughter thought it was balloons with
with a string hanging down, youknow, which is what the jellyfish UFOs
were said to look like. AndI find it interesting that, you know,
my personal siding with that. Onon Christmas, I didn't film.

(44:17):
I told my wife your phone,let me look. But but uh yeah,
there was about eight of them andthey and the first two came and
like low during the day, probablyprobably one pm. And we're one was
blinking blue and the other one wasblinking white, and they were both flying

(44:39):
and they had something hanging down thatyou know, were for you know,
far enough away to say, well, maybe it's a balloon flying and that
thing is uh, you know thatthat thing hanging down is a string.
Definitely looks like it could be.But do you think you'd really see with
your own naked eye. I mean, I don't know how eigh up in

(45:01):
the sky this was, but youreally think you'd see a string on a
tether, you know, on aballoon that far away up in the sky,
because I don't think you would.I think you'd lose sight of that
after it went so far up.And don't forget, we had many many
reports from Mexico back in the inthe nineteen nineties and early two thousands of

(45:28):
what some people said were uffoes,but others described them as balloons. And
these would fly in formation ten twentythirty of them in a formation across the
skies of a Mexico city, youknow, and people would film them as
well. You know. I knowone good Mexican uthologist by the name of

(45:49):
him in Mussan who used to putthem on his TV show because he said
there were UFOs, you know.But again, it's your own personal observation
that nobody can take away from you. If it's so you werefer you didn't
know what it was, then itis a UFO until it remains until it
becomes explained. Sorry, mm hmm. And you know I like the skeptic

(46:15):
approach, and obviously you do tooif you're a truth seeker, right,
you want to get to the bottom. So it's to explore everything that it
be, you know, And andmaybe that's what religion's doing. Maybe that's
what we're all doing. What whatcould it be? And what does our
minds have the ability to comprehend?And that and that varies from civilization to

(46:36):
civilization, from as personal from personto person with your relation bringing you know,
I come from the Christian background,and and because youuthology is such a
popular thing now and it's something thatyou know, I've been into for a
while. Uh. The majority ofChristians will say that it's a demonic like

(46:57):
a blanket statement of these these entitiesare coming here and they're not good in
their demons mentioned of in the HolyBible and any other Holy book. Have
you had any resistance or do youhave an opinion either way of what is
good or bad things that are cominghere allowing themselves to be seen and sometimes

(47:21):
filmed. I personally am I don'ttend to have a mega opinion because I'm
too busy bringing information in from alldifferent aspects of the phenomena to actually put
in the next upcoming magazine. SoI don't particularly have an opinion. But

(47:43):
regarding religion, if you know theseso called Christians were you know it's demonic,
Well ask them for proof of demonsjust I'll just say, just any
question background to them. You know, there are a lot of as we
know, the story of Ezekiel inthe wheel that is described in the Bible.

(48:05):
Some people say it's the ufo,some people say some kind of I
don't know, evenly chariot, youknow, if you want to put it
that way. But again, theBible is a book that has been influenced
by many, many different cultures,going back to ancient Babylon, to the
ancient Egyptian cultures, to the youknow, the Jews themselves, they've actually

(48:29):
influenced it. There is a lotin the Bible that is today mistakenly quoted
as being fact. I'll give youone example. The term soul s o
u l is actually it's a modernizationof an ancient Hebrew word which is described

(48:51):
as nee fsh it's n e ph, e s h and ne fsh
in ancient Hebrew actually meant a livingcreature, a living being, not necessarily
necessarily man or woman. It couldalso include an animal. So you know,
a soul is a creature that livesand breaths, and it isn't something

(49:15):
that is a wispy thing that leavesyour body when you die and goes off
to be with God in heaven orwe satain in hell. And again the
term satan or devil it means slandererand opposer, which is quite appropriate when
you look at him from that pointof view, because he is a slanderer
allegedly of God and of his son, allegedly of Jesus and he suppose.

(49:39):
So you've got to look at theancient languages and see what the words actually
mean before we take them the modernversion and say, well, yeah,
my soul is leaving what body I'mgoing to go up to heaven when I
die, because again there is noproof of that. And also you know,
we've got to look at the rightwords, the right meaning for that

(50:00):
word. Right. It's it isfun. It is fun finding out what
these words mean. I will saythat at one of my big just to
be honest, like it's it's myit's what I do. I was,
even when you saw me looking downat my phone, I was looking up
the etymology of your name. Mhm. You know, Christopher, ever Bearer

(50:23):
of Christ, of Christ, foreverand ever for all of eternity, you
know. So yeah, I'm aI'm a word guy myself and chariot,
vehicle macaba. You know all ofthose words going back to the ancient times
of you know what they meant?And my God is it? Is it

(50:44):
a world within a world that thatwe were speaking things that have celestial meaning,
which is one of the fun funones. Common everyday words were like
celestial asteroids, stars, falling comets, all of that stuff. I love
it. I'm obsessed with it.I'll give you another couple of more words

(51:07):
to look up. Look up theword cross are you in the biblical sense
as the elega son of God wassupposed to be hung upon that? And
look up the word stauros s ta u r o s, which I
think is an ancient Greek word.So I have a look at them,
because they don't actually mean across shapeddevice in the common use of the word.

(51:30):
You know, the term stauros meanslike a pool, and it's if
you look at the ancient Christian Greekscriptures, stauros is described as what Jesus
was rung on. So it's asingle upright, Paul, So I have
a read of that. And thereare modern scriptures, in many modern variations

(51:51):
of the Bible that describe Jesus beingon a pool or on a tree,
right. And it's the work.It's the words or the key, because
there's concordinate not concordance, but there'slike keys on how to interpret the different
things as far with something literal,something spiritual, something allegorical, you know,

(52:13):
all in there at the same time. The chariot word, it has
always been fun. You know,the word macaba and it just means a
vehicle, but to some it's ahorse drawn vehicle and to others actual it's
not an animal, but power andforce found versus an actual no fese,
you know, you're so right.It's people. I wish there were more

(52:37):
people who actually did that, youknow, instead of just going along to
the fundamental Christian meeting, you know, I mean coming out and basically knocking
everybody else because they don't do ittheir way. You know, I do
agree in one thing that Jesus isthe legs to have said, and that
is doing to others as you havethem do to you. And if everybody

(52:59):
in the world did that, theworld would be a much better place than
it is right now, for sure. For sure. Let me let me
share this with you for a secondhere. So this is one this is
I didn't film this. I justwant to show you this. I thought
it was a pretty cool one.This from someone who is a listener to

(53:21):
the podcast, and they sent methis this video, and I thought it
was pretty neat. So can yousee that? Yep, I can see.
It's like a white triangle shaped itemin the middle of it. I
would imagine it's a telephone screen,the mobile telephone screen. Yeah, okay,
So I wanted to show it toyou. I got this the other

(53:43):
day. I thought it was prettyneat, like like a diamond shaped.
Yeah. It does look like byits movement that it's in a cloud formation
of some description. And now it'schanged shape, but could be focused.
It could be it could be betterfocused. And it does look a little
bit pixelated here and there with thewhite the great type movement that gets going

(54:07):
on around it. Now, myfirst question would be where was this filmed?
And that looks like a tree comingup in the bottom that you're showing
there, so it is clearly anoutside light source. But what were the
weather conditions? Is it a lighton a street lamp or something like that,
you know that we can see throughmist or fog or something like that.

(54:28):
I'm not saying it is, butthese are questions that should be asked.
You know, where is it,what time of day was it,
what direction was it taken in?You know, there's all those kind of
questions that we need looking at.But it is. It is an interesting
piece of footage and what you've gota bit I will say though, what
you've got to be careful of doingwhen you're filming these things. If you

(54:51):
do need to get some other detailsin there as well, so we can
judge the actual size of the objects. We can work now you know whether
or not it is actually moving inthe sky in relation to what is on
the ground. And also you've gotto be very very careful about zooming right

(55:12):
in because it will pixelate and itwill alter the shape. Because the sensors
are designed like that. In yourcamera, you know, and I'd like
to know what type of camera itis as well what excuse me, what
maker of camera is and what thesettings are and all the rest of it.
But it is an interesting piece offootage. Absolutely. Yeah. This

(55:32):
was a little girl who does thisfor Habbi, a homeschool child who it's
interested and they see them, theysee them quite frequently and then they started
filming and kind of thing and hermother said this to me. But yeah,
it's interesting and it almost looks likeit turns there for a second to
season above it, you know,like like what it looks like to me

(55:57):
is like it's moving along whatever itis. You know, I'm not gonna
jump in the sy right now.Yeah, it's it's simply because it is
undescribed. It's unexplainable. But itlooks like it's come down and kind of
like flips and moves away from thecamera, which is why we've got the
triangle shape. And then it kindof like it's like it's barey up with

(56:20):
a dark part being like the bottomof the cone or the top of the
cone. Do you understand what Imean? But it is interesting, very
interesting, Well done on capturing it. Yeah, something I simply I didn't
I didn't film it, but yeah, a little girl film. But it
was interesting. Yeah, I guysshare that with you. I was,
I can you know, I don'thave mine on the computer, but yeah,

(56:45):
it's uh. I think reputability isinteresting, you know of like like
you said, like when, where, how, and why? And there
were people who who were into youuthologyfor a long time who had figured out
interesting ways to capture these anomalies onfilm, and one of them interesting and

(57:08):
not interestingly enough, being infrared filmto pick up these objects that I don't
know if I would call them UFOs, maybe they look more like living creatures.
And and that person being was itU is it Peter James Constable.
I think that was his first name, Peter James Constable. I'm sorry,

(57:30):
Trevor James Constable. And he wasin the military, but he'd start seeing
things out on boats and ships andthings they couldn't explain, and started looking
into them and got obsessed with iton how to film them and how to
draw them. And they were catchinga lot of interesting things on on on
camera. And this was back inthe seventies and stuff. So I've got

(57:52):
a lot of his work and lookinginto it and ended up buying my own
infrared Lenz. But I will tellyou it's you know too to no avail
yet with the infra red line's tryingto film. Yeah, I can honestly
say I've not heard of the Gentleman, but now you've mentioned him, I
will look him up on the Internet. And so the name Constable is one

(58:15):
that I will remember because obviously thefamous painter that we had over here in
the United Kingdom, you know,And he has one particular which is a
well known image called the hare Win, which is it's a gentleman riding.
He's sat on top of a i'llcall it a pony and trap for one

(58:36):
of a better description. But he'sgoing across a river near where he lived
in the Anglia area of Great Buttain. He's painted about eighteen something a Rother
or seventeen something a Rother. SoI won't forget the name Constable. I'll
look him up and see what he'sbeen doing. Yeah, so he's no
longer with us, but the workthat he did bring to the table in

(58:59):
his books, a lot of picturesare in there, and let's not forget
that back in the day as youmentioned the seventies, those times it was
harder to fake or hooks, youknow, u fusings because there wasn't the
technology around. I mean I couldgo down to my local store and pick

(59:21):
up you know, at the latestface of software for one hundred pounds,
you know, which is round aboutwhat's seventy five seventy dollars, Yeah,
something like that anyway, and youknow it's anybody can sit at home.
As long you've got the technical knowhow or you read the instructions correctly,
you can make anything that you want. Yeah, it is strange, and

(59:42):
there's a lot of that going around, the hope stuff, but that's gonna
be I mean, that's always beenthere too. You know. We read
about you know, I don't knowyour take, but Billy Meyer in his
case of all of these images andthen Palladian beings that are showing up on
camera beautiful bl one headed lady andbeings in Again, I don't know your

(01:00:04):
take, but a lot of thatcame back to behay. These women were
like in us in like a musicalgroup and stuff in the area, and
they were known there were women andfilming saucers away from the camera blur,
and there's a lot of that kindof stuff that you know, there's I
and there always will be. Yeah. I actually believe that mister Maya did

(01:00:28):
have some kind of experience, butwhat would There were a lot of people
who have these experiences who want torepeat the experiences and the feeling that it
gives them the buzz of you know. I mean take Georgia Damski for example.
You know, back in the nineteenforties, nineteen fifty, well,

(01:00:49):
if Georgia Damski claimed that he hadhis first sighting of a UFO from Aunt
Palomar, I believe it was innineteen forty six, a good eight months
before Kenneth Arnold and of course theRosswell incident. You know, it was
like he wanted to be fairst butof course he didn't name all that or

(01:01:09):
mention all that until well after theactual Rosswell incident and Kenneth Arnold's experience.
You know, So there were alot of people who do want to get
jump on the bandwagon, and asAndy Warhol said, you know, they
want they want the fifteen minutes offame or the ten minutes of fame.
You know, I tend to bea little bit suspicious. Yes, you

(01:01:32):
know, fool me once, foolme, fool me twice, fool you.
That is kind of like how Ido view things. But I do
think there are some people who arein the right place at the right time
who have experiences. For example,Calvin Parker and Charlie Dixon, they were
in the wrong place at the wrongtime and had an experience, you know,

(01:01:53):
which it took Calvin many, manyyears to come to terms with.
And that was you know, thathappened in seven three and he releases his
book in I believe it was twentyseventeen, a couple of years before he
passed on last year, as weall know, you know. And then
there are other people who've had verysimilar experiences. But then you get other

(01:02:14):
people who come along and say,well, yeah, I was a super
soldier and I lived on Mars forten years, but they brought me back
and it was only ten minutes later. Yeah, we've got to be so
careful. Really. Yeah. Itmighty is the water. It always has
it, always, I think.And there's people who say the same thing
about Calvin Parker exactly exactly out there, drink a little bit too much boo.

(01:02:38):
The one good thing about Calvin Parker'sexperience is that it was almost a
forgotten abduction claim. But there arenow that many witnesses to the experience.
I mean, we have one Paer, some one individual was actually a church
pastor I think it was. Itcould have been a Greek priest of some

(01:03:00):
description who was in Pascagoula at tamwho was driving over the very same bridge
where Calvin was. And Charlie Wareand we have mister and missus Maria and
Jerry Blair who were on the oppositeside of the bank, who witnessed exactly
the same thing and as they run, quite possibly their own abduction experience.

(01:03:21):
At the same time, we havethe testimony of a crane driver from the
docks in Pascagoula who witnessed, youknow, what Charlie and Calvin experienced.
So thankfully I know its second yearsand against some might be jumping on the
bandwagon. I'm not going to denythat. But when we look at all

(01:03:42):
the evidence put together, you know, it does lead me to say that
the Calvin Parker story, the CharlieHixon story, does hold a lot of
credibility. It is now one ofthe best investigated and documented cases of its
type globally. Yeah, I havethe book and I have I had the

(01:04:02):
pleasure of interviewing him personally because PastorGoula's twenty five minutes away from here.
Oh wow, and well we weregoing to have go ahead, go on.
I have had the privilege of usingthat same spot as one of my

(01:04:24):
you know, going out in gazing, yeah, brilliant at the wee hours
of the morning, and actually meditatingand having my own experiences there too.
Yeah, So you know, that'swhy I wanted to talk to him.
It's one thing just but as astudent, like, hey, like let's
talk a little bit more and youknow, try to im miss of this
stuff. And I think that inthe truth seeking movement or whatever, that's

(01:04:46):
what we're all trying to do.We're all ever students, right, yeah,
absolutely, Yeah, you end upwith more questions than you had answers.
Right. One thing you're probably notaware of is Calvin was due to
here to Kingston upon Hull to beat my let me think, let me
get this right. I can't rememberthe day. It was either the twenty

(01:05:08):
eighteen or the twenty nineteen Out ofLimits Magazine conference here in the city of
Kingston upon Hull. Actually no,I tell us a slight lie. We
was going to move it to atown bad name of Pontefract, which is
about fifty miles in a westerley directionfrom where i'ms at. But fortunately we
became aware then that Calvin had thecancer that was eventually to take him,

(01:05:31):
and we had to cancel his attendancea week before the event took place,
so he never got to make itacross here. But he was you know,
I interviewed him myself many many times, you know, regarding the experience,
and yeah, absolutely, absolutely whata guy and very convincing, just
because you can tell he was justsharing his experience. Yeah, no,

(01:05:57):
he wasn't no anything that came out. So that was other people wanting to
know more and him, you know, willing to share it. What was
quite amazing about Calvin is that heactually ran from the uthology phenomena. He
tried to hide away from it,and you know, and that was why,
you know, I mean, Ithink he said one day to his

(01:06:19):
wife, I'm just going to shopand he came back so many weeks later,
you know. But he also hadmany more close experiences than the Pasca
Gooler event. I would advise anybody, you know, I know you've got
the book that's brilliant, but I'vegot the two or three books on the
Pasca Gooler events kindly again sent tome by Philip Mantle for reviews and so

(01:06:43):
on to go on New magazine.But you know what a guy, what
a complete and utter Southern gentleman hewas, you know, and he ran
from the topic. He didn't wantanything to do with it. And that
was quite funnily enough until well,his wife Winnet she actually she turned around
to him said, you know,don't you think it's time that you got
your story out? And the coincidencewas Philip Mantler just being got on the

(01:07:09):
rights to republish Charlie Dixon's book fromthe nineteen nineteen eighties eighty three, I
think it was, and it's well, what I'm going to do to this,
I'm going to add a little bitfrom Calvin Parker to the book.
And he eventually up funding where hewas, and you know, two and
two came together med fall and that'swhy the books came out. Yeah,

(01:07:30):
we're I mean, I'm met aI'm in between two really big spots there
because I'm actually in Mobile, Alabamaat the port city. Yeah, and
we have Pastor Gula, which istwenty five minutes away, about an hour
away, about fifty minutes. Wehave Pensacola, Florida, all right,
Golf Breeze, Florida, Yeah,which are two hotbeds for classic amazing sightings

(01:07:58):
document in the newspapers even and soI've been able to you know, go
and visit those sacred sites, youknow kind of thing. So it leads
to you know, maybe some kindof question about Pascor Goula, about just
this area or any area where thereseems to be heightened activity. There's also
naval bases in airports, you know, at both spots, so there's that

(01:08:25):
it is some type it could itbe some type of portal that's opened some
type of window into another world orthat they can travel back and forth,
and we just happen to be atthe wrong or right place at the right
time, you know. Yeah.The there are various locations around the planet
that are said to be hot spotsor or you know or portal areas as

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kind of like known today, youknow, and the places you mentioned are
and we have more OVARII. Inthe UK, we've got one such place
which is about about minute ride awayfrom where I am now in the car
get the cart man from Perrol inthe bloody thing. But you know it's
called Benton which We've had various cryptidspotted there. We've had mutilations there,

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We've had strange lights under the sea, you know, I've been witnessed there.
And bemon Is actually it's a natureis there by the IRISPB Royal Society
for the Protection of Birds here inthe United Kingdom, and the cliffs there
are about three hundred foot tall andit's a straight drop down and with the

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North Sea, you know, soit's not sudday, not going dropping down
into the water, especially at likeone o'clock in the morning when I witnessed
a strange light in the sea there. You know, it's just too dangerous
and too rocky to go out andtoo close to the cliff edge to actually
do anything stupid like that. Butyeah, there are plenty of hotspot areas.

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We've got two or three in theOrchard area, you know how they
are actually the great theories again,you know again, like I say,
somebody called me an old fashioned oldschool upologies, because I tend to think
a little bit, well, whatkind of propulsion system would they need to
get here that would enable them todo these things? And why has this

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area got a so called hotspot?Why has this area got a cir called
portal? Why is it different toany other area? And it's these kind
of questions that I like to seeor at least attempt to answer. You
know, if we can get ridof of the nitty gritty, the nitty
bitty stuff, we're left with realinformation. Yeah, which is could which

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could be why they allow themselves tobe seen. That's one thing too,
Like they obviously have the technology foryou not to see anything and to cloak
themselves in the sunlight and in cloudsor whatever, but to allow you to
see something. And when it comesto this propulsion system like you're talking about,
then it gets into people's pockets.Let's say that really important, really

(01:11:08):
powerful people's pockets. When you're talkingabout the ability exists and has always exist,
and certain people have always known aboutthat. We have free energy,
free resources everything. Water, youcan manifest water out of thin air,
you can manifest energy through magnetism,and all of these things. So this

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kind of it can quickly become athreat to somebody's pockets. Who wants to
keep taxpayers and people enslaved to indebtedto a system to drive ours fly our
planes kind of thing. I cantotally see that. But those are the
bigger questions that maybe they're trying toshow us diagrams and crop circles, or

(01:11:51):
the way they're spinning and doing spiralpatterns in the sky and clouds, and
it just it's the things that makeyou wonder, you know, more than
just who there's a saucer stationary inthe sky. You know you mentioned water.
Now, it's long been known thatI'll call them UFOs again for the

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sake of an argument. It's longbeen known that UFOs have been attracted to
water around the planet. You mentioned, We both mentioned Pascagoula. Was you
aware that, approximately three weeks afterthe Calvin Parker incident November the third,
I think it was nineteen seventy three, that a family had gone out in

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their boat to do some fishing toI think it was to the southwest of
the Pascagoula area. I think theremay be mudflats there of some description which
were covered by water. Around aboutsix to twelve feet deep, I believe
the water is in that area.At a particular time of day, they've
gone out there to do some fishingand the saw at something which are described

(01:12:58):
as bright white that was glowing underthe water in you know, not that
far off. I think it wasabout maybe fifteen to twenty miles southwest of
Pascagoula. And this all happened aboutthe same time as a Calvin Parker incident.
And they actually hit it with anawe from the boat and it dimmed

(01:13:20):
down and kind of like disappeared.But at the same time it did that,
it moved away from where the peoplewere in the boat, until the
people in the boat kind of likerowed the way back up to it and
carried on collecting the fishing equipment,the nets and so on. And they
would it again, and the Coastguardwere actually sent out to investigate it,

(01:13:43):
and they did exactly the same thing. Hit it with an awe and it
did exactly the same It just dimmedand disappeared until eventually it disappeared altogether.
So you know, what was thatin the water. You know that these
guys are seeing strange? Yeah,yeah, it is what are your thoughts
on the CE five initiative and peoplegoing out like you know, trying to

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make contact, trying to film inthose things. It kind of sounds like,
you know, when you had yoursecond experience, you you said you
had a camera with you, right, did you did you get anything or
no? As I said, wouldput the cameras everything, you know,
we'd put everything away. Yeah,it was like, oh, all right,
guys, just put away in thecamera now let's go. Yeah,

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yeah, you know. But thestrange thing was after we've done all that,
two police officers turned up. Youknow, we saw them walking down
the path and we knew where wewere. You know, British Aerospace,
you know that time of night.We're there with cameras, but the cameras
were never pointing at the British Aerospacefactory. This is the place where they
used to make a ref components forthe you know, for jets that your

(01:14:55):
fighter jets and so on. Sowe understand, we understand how it all
happened. Literally as the well,we told him what we're doing and we
put the cameras away and we're movinganyway. And but we was on a
public footpath, so they couldn't haveactually done anything about it. One of
the coppers said to me, didyou see anything? Then said, oh
yeah, and we described it tohim. He said did he get it

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on the camera? And unfortunately not. He went, oh well, he
said better look next time, lads. So you know that was that was
quite funny when he said that,And yeah, it's it's a lot of
people do tend to, you know, get these sightings and regarding you know,
the CE five initiative, again,we've got to be careful. Yes,

(01:15:40):
something is happening, something is goingon, but there are a lot
of people out there and I won'tmention names because that wouldn't be fair to
mention anybody's names, So not usto defend themselves, you know, but
there are a lot of people outthere who I think will ooks such activities
as the CE five initiative. Infact, I believe this one going on

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this very evening in the United Kingdomof a near Warrington, which is a
town close to Liverpool in Lancashire.This one going on this evening, a
CE five where they're going to tryand get something to come through. Now,
why these people, why do somepeople have these experiences and others can

(01:16:24):
follow the subject. We can readall the books, you know, we
can write books, and we canwe can have nothing ever happened to us.
We can never see a particular incident. You know, why is it
some people seem to be more luckythan others? Is it blood type?
Is it? Is it something youknow? Is it brain waves? What

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is it? Why? Why dosome people get them experiences and others don't?
What caste relations you were born under? Is that exactly? Yeah?
Exactly? So well, I'm ariesis that lucky or is that not lucky?
I don't know, but I've beendiabetic nearly fifty years, So there
you go. So I asked thatbecause I mean, you know, I

(01:17:08):
I I do it, and it'sjust asking it. It's as simple as
you know, going out and askingand maybe we'll see something, maybe not.
It is a it is Russian roulettebecause you don't know, like something.
But that would suggest that if you'regoing out and verbally asking for something,
that they have some kind of device, some kind of thing for one

(01:17:28):
of a better word, that canpick up your request. Yeah you know?
Or does it mean that that theclerk and the follow you around twenty
four seven to see what you're doing, and the waiting for you to ask
for you know, there's all thesequestions that need answering. Yeah. No,
but it's repeatability, I think,you know, And how do we
do it without hoaxing it? Youknow, I was going to tie that

(01:17:51):
into the hoaxer thing where you haveand it goes with anything of success or
marriage, really ties into anything.A lot of people can start something or
have that spur of the moment thingthat comes inspiration, but you can lose
the inspiration, you can lose fervency. How do you keep it? You

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know, like you talking about thefifteen minutes you had your fifteen minutes,
I wasn't ready for it to beover. Well, it's done. And
then it moves into what muddies thewater would be someone who had a genuine
experience, a genuine encounter, andthen moves into deception to try to repeat
the things, which undoes really thefirst encounter. You know, I look

(01:18:40):
at people when spiritual and in acult phenomenon, just the words of Madame
Helena Blovotsky, who you know broughtso much interesting literature to the US,
and all of these crazy experiences.But you know, just A little bit
of research shows that at the endof her career she was caught hoaxing seances

(01:19:02):
and things like that, you know, and planting letters and stuff like that.
So you know, it's to askwhereas it was any of these true
by this lady who's got a lotof stuff she brought to the table.
That's amazing. So you I thinkit can say either way, but it's
those things to want to repeat it. Maybe this right way that, however

(01:19:24):
you experienced, it was probably theperfect concoct to continue it. So like
why change it? Like why tryto manipulate and now grab a cell phone
or something like that. I don'tknow, but there's that that comes to
the table. Yeah, the Imean that's I if I was undergoing a
strange experience or of a bit ofword, you know, Honestly, the

(01:19:45):
last thing I would think of doing. And I am a professional cameraman photographer,
which I did for quite a numberof years. I did it for
at least the last ten years,you know, before I became a wife's
care and so I was paid forgoing out and doing weddings, et cetera.
So now to use a camera,but the last thing I would think
of doing. We'll be picking upa camera. If something crazy was going

(01:20:09):
on in front of me, I'dwant to check it all, you know,
want to miss a second of it, you know, because I don't
know why. But when we lookaway from whatever it is that we're seeing,
that seems to me that that connectionis cut. It goes, it
disappears, it ends, you know, we don't get it back. So

(01:20:30):
when things that are strange are euphological, ghostly, you know, if
we check our eyes off them thegirl now, does that say it's only
in your head and you've changed theviewpoint as it were, or does it
say that they know that the fooledyou long enough now and you're getting interested,

(01:20:51):
So we're going to disappear now,you know. But yeah, it's
a crazy business we're involved in.Yeah, I've heard, I've heard and
experienced kind of like both sides.I think at first it was a genuine
like awe and wonder, which isstill there, don't get me wrong,
But anytime I would, I gottagrab my phone. It's over. You

(01:21:14):
had seventeen seconds to see this,and you spent thirteen of them going to
get your phone, so you gotyou know, four seconds of wow,
what is that? Hold on,It's gonna go get the phone and then
you come back. And there wastimes where I got my phone, but
the phones in two thousand and nineor whatever, they weren't. You're not

(01:21:35):
picking up anything like you know,five in the morning by the stars.
It's just so you kind of like, okay, I always looked at it
as a kiss and tell kind ofthing, like, hey, we got
something cool to show you, andthe first thing you want to do is
look what I got, you know, go and tell everybody thing. So

(01:21:58):
there's that. But I will saythis, I've kind of I don't go
to say graduated. I've gotten tothe point to where like I've gotten better
with filming and I know to startwith the start filming and then go back
and analyze footage kind of thing too. So the moment you don't have the
cell phone on, you ready togo, and you've got to go get
it. It's over, I mean, and like I said, it is

(01:22:21):
it is so strange breaking concentration toliterally seven seconds of looking away of even
a cloud formation that has been therefor seven minutes. Yep, the seven
seconds you're gone, it's gone.And that is a very strange phenomenon with
attention in you know, being ableto hold something in our view with our

(01:22:44):
energy of awareness. I don't knowhow it works or if it even works
that way, but yeah, it'sworth experiment. What about when you've had
your experiences, do you notice achange in the I'll say the atmosphere.
By that, I mean sound,the quality maybe off the air around you.
Do you notice anything like that changesor you know, for example,

(01:23:09):
if I don't know, if it'searly in the morning, say five am,
spring or summer, and you're outthere, for example, you went
to pascagoul I don't know what timea date it was or anything, but
did you notice like maybe the bedstop singing. You couldn't hear any normal
noise and anything like that around here? Yeah, I was. So we
do this every day. This iswhat we do, you know, me

(01:23:30):
and my wife. My wife's doingit with me now first time. You
know, I've been doing this foryears. But just just I guess it
was day before yesterday, just inthe sun and enjoying and asking and don't
say sun to me. All we'vegot here in it in England right now
with cloud and rain and we gotsnow from tomorrow thing. Wow, wow,
I'm jealous when it's gone, justobviously right, but yeah, just

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in a moment, because there's anappreciation next. So there's feelings that come
with it now, like you said, like now and you pay attention to
it, how do you feel,you know, all in childlike wonder,
chills, goosebumps, expectancy, alllike really good feelings that I think I
think they can measure. I reallydo. But yeah, as far as

(01:24:17):
the wind changing for a second,or the wind stops blowing and everything becomes
still for a second, I dopay attention to that little stuff, and
I did two days ago as meand my wife are out just gazing during
the day and catching little things oncamera, urds that are really high up,
you know, flying in the clouds. And it is the there is

(01:24:41):
something that Jesus talked about, likethe like interacting with this invisible kingdom like
a child. The kingdom is invisible. It's hidden from adults because they're too
serious. And it's this thing ofwith this energy of alle in one under
And you didn't call it what itis. You don't know what to call

(01:25:03):
it. I don't know. It'sjust a weird light and there's an excitement
there that is an energy that Ithink they feed off of it. But
I also think there's other ones thatcould feed off of fearful energy to say
that, you know, kind ofParker may have encountered those. Yeah,
what a fascinating subject. I couldtalk to you for another hour about that,

(01:25:26):
John. I'm taking notes. That'swhat I'm doing before we call,
and what I'll be doing and goingthrough various ancient holy books and reading there.
What you've got to remember again aboutholy books, and this is why
we must get back to the originaltranslations. I've got I've got a copy

(01:25:50):
of the Greek the Christian Scriptures andNew Testament, if you want to call
it that, but I've got itwritten in the original Greek with the English
next to it following it down,so you can you can compare words as
you go along and found out,you know, the true meaning, what
the actual meanings were in English,you know, but it makes it you

(01:26:12):
do laugh sometimes, you know,for example, in Greek it could say
it could say Jesus did this,or in English it could be weighed as
you know this Jesus did. Soyou've got to be very careful about,
you know, getting the right meaningof words. Yeah, and it's yeah,
it's not you can't go word forword as it does the word for

(01:26:38):
seventeen words, because there's more.These words meant a lot more in all
the ancient languages like English, haviolationof all of them. But here's how
I don't know if this comes ina focus, but that's how I read
the Bible with my wife. It'sa strong got that. And just after
every word on Corinthian sixteen six.Sorry, yeah, every word there's a

(01:27:02):
a number and it's kind of hard. There's numbers everywhere, but your mind
learned. It's like, hey,that word. Let's figure out what this
name means? Who is Paul?What does Paul mean? Is there anything
soles? Paul was Saul? Yeah? Who? Like, who who is
this? Who are these? Oh? Who are these random disciples that are

(01:27:26):
mentioned one time? Let's look upwhat their name means, you know kind
of stuff. And it's yeah,there's a lot more to have to do
with I'll say a lot more.I'll say all of it. Don't forget
of it. Is is about theworld above interacting with the world below.
Don't forget about the time Jesus wassaid to have existed, the Jews were

(01:27:48):
waiting for a messiah. But alsothere were two or three people around that
time who claimed to be the Messiah. You know, I think that I
can't remember the names now, butthinking in the about the time that John
wrote Revelation, there was a gentlemanin the Middle East, in ancient Israel

(01:28:10):
who claimed he was the Messiah.And I think there was one I can't
remember. It was, let's sayzero A d. Just for the sake
of an argument. Again, Ithink there was one about twenty years before
Jesus was said to have been born, Zero a D. Who will also
claimed to be the Messiah. Soit was that kind of town period when

(01:28:31):
they were waiting for a messiah,a savior who would take them away from
being under Roman rules. So,you know, fascinating. You know,
I'm more interested today in why peoplebelieve the need a religion than actually in
religion itself, you know. Yeah, like you said, like we talked

(01:28:54):
about, I'm interested in the factthat I had supernatural encounter with my cousin
and he hasn't hasn't talked to itabout it since, and I'm telling everybody
and writing books and I can't stoptalking, you know that of like don't
yeah, that was interesting. Itwas like, let me get your take
on it, like how can younot talk about this? That's how I

(01:29:16):
feel. But you know, andthat's maybe that's how the ships feel or
whatever they are. You know,they show themselves to people who were like,
well, yeah, you didn't deserveto see this, you know kind
of thing, and other people arelike, stop talking about it. I
see him everywhere now, and theyjust if you will, I've got two
supernatural stories to exploits tell you.In two thousand and four, we lost

(01:29:43):
my mum. She actually passed awayDecember the eleventh, two thousand and four,
and we were buried there on thetwentieth of December. Obviously, in
the Western Christian you know, it'sChristmas Day, Christmas Eve, fourth Christmas
Day, twenty three d and inEngland we have boxing down the twenty sixth

(01:30:05):
my mum passed away. My mumwas very religious, and I'll tell you
now, my mum was a Jehovah'switness, so Christmas didn't mean anything to
ether. But this story isn't aboutabout that anyway. Being into the subjects
that I'm into myself and my wifewe went to a town called Beverley,

(01:30:30):
which is just a few miles ofNorth Norfolk, where I am, and
it was an event for a singleday. It was seances and basically look
people who were interested in that spiritualside of life and so on. And
then we sat there and I thought, well, I'm not gonna I'm not
going to let him call read offme, you know, I'm just going
to keep my mouth shut. I'mjust going to listen to what they say,

(01:30:53):
et cetera, et cetera. Anyway, they went through everybody else and
me and my wife and my mystepson's girlfriend were all sat at the front
and he turned to me and hesaid, your mum didn't believe, and
I just went I thought, I'mnot going to say anything. I'm not
going to say a word, youknow, And he said, well she

(01:31:16):
does now. And I went tohim afterwards and explained to him that my
mum was at Jehovah's witness and whatyou're doing right now would be extremely frowned
upon, you know. But thefact that she allegedly came through was quite
interesting. But going back to mymum and losing her At that time period

(01:31:38):
when we cleared the property, myselfand my wife were getting ready to go
out for New Year's Eve, soit was only a few days after we'd
buried her and from the property.I brought an old shaving mirror which she
used to keep in the bathroom.My mum didn't shave, by the way,

(01:31:58):
I'll get that in straight away,so we brought that put it in
my bathroom. I'm using it andas I turn round, I felt the
shaving cream around me chin and everything. I turn round and look straight into
the mirror and my mum was lookingback at me. Wow, So you
know, where did he come from? How did that happen? You know?

(01:32:20):
Completely amazing because I would have alwaysbeen one that doesn't believe in life
after death. I've always believed thatonce you end, you end, you
stop breathing, so therefore you end, which is why I mentioned the word
nee fresh earlier on because I nowknow what that means. It's a living
breathing creature, living breathing in person. So yeah, it's it's interesting,

(01:32:45):
completely interesting topic. Yeah, it'sfine of words. The funnest part for
me is the words that we thinkwe know what they mean. And the
soul is definitely one, right forsure. And it's like, okay,
what is the soul and what isthe spirit? Well maybe there's maybe two
of them are inside of a body. Well maybe one is animalistic, maybe

(01:33:05):
one is more sophisticated and more spiritualfrom above, you know. And these
are the you know, the thingsthat philosophy and religion are based upon,
you know, the exploration of thosethings. But a lot of the cop
I'll tell you this. The wordthis was an interesting one. Consider Consider

(01:33:26):
our English word consider and and that'swhen I just found maybe three days ago.
But it is an awesome word becausecon means to to to think about,
to contemplate, to think about cideror cider is where we get sidirial.
What means stars. One who contemplatesthe stars or the orbit of the
planets. Have you considered this?Do you consider what's going to happen?

(01:33:49):
And so that the very etymology ofthat word is a celestial term that means
one who thinks about the movement ofthe planets and stars. It's like wow,
And there's so many more that observecomes from that, you know,
the observation and perceive, perception.Everything comes from. I looked one up

(01:34:12):
the other day, you know,which was the word earth r t H
the planet that we live on.Well, Earth actually goes back to Anglo
Saxon. It's an old word whichrefers to the ground that we walk on.
That is why the planet is calledthe Earth, because we are,

(01:34:32):
in fact a water world. Theseventy one percent of the Earth's surface covered
in water. So why I'd callit Earth when it's a water world?
And I was looking back off youknow, it refers back to the ground
that we walk on, the groundthat we use to create, you know,
grow crops to build our rooms on, that we walk on, and

(01:34:56):
that that we use almost every singleday of our lives, you know.
And yeah, again, get oldwords can really open up a lot of
information. To be terror is whatthe ancient ancient world called the right Terror
Terror FIRMA right they made idols andstatues and out of them, and they
made a lot of things out ofthem, and supposedly humans are made out

(01:35:20):
of it too, right, Well, we're supposed to come from Adam and
Eve, who was made out ofthe air. Ground of the air.
That was so there you could,so, yeah, it's fun with with
etymology and then going back to readthose words and to see what the ancient
world knew. And I say ancientworld, I mean it's fun to even
go back to the eighteen hundreds andwhich isn't that ancient. But we're changing

(01:35:45):
rapidly, you know, our awareness, our perception, what we did,
what we had time to do,as far as like the amount of volumes
of written works that were put out, Like these guys were writing all the
time, you know, And nowwe're law logging of something of an event
happens something, everything's deleted, butthere's nothing that there was even before that.

(01:36:08):
They're like, let's rack this instone. So if catastrophe happens that
we're digging up writings that go backto wouldn't it be wonderful? Wouldn't it
be wonderful if Facebook we had toput everything, you know, I get
sick and tired of seeing what peoplehave had from reakfast on Facebook. You
know what excise it have been doingthat day, you know, So it

(01:36:30):
wouldn't be It'd be more interesting ifwe had to put everything down in stone,
as you mentioned, because we geta lot less rubbish on Facebook than
we get right now. Yeah,if we could use an electronic kind of
stone age Facebook. You know,we're learning to use it, and again

(01:36:51):
you have the one to abuse itand the one to waste it away,
which is the kind of story ofthe Bible. Right You've given all this
cool technology and you film yourself workingout, you know. Or I will
say that I'm personally not a religiousperson, as I mentioned, and I
believe once you've gone, you've gone, et cetera. But my own opinion,

(01:37:15):
and I'm not saying I'm right,I'm not saying I'm wrong. You
know, I'll probably find out thetruth and I wake up in the front
of the gates and sent Peter's they'rewaiting for me, you know. But
in my opinion, it's only myopinion. People can differ. Religion was
created because man can't couldn't explain awaywhy it went dark after a certain time
of night, while the moon cameup, while the sun came up back

(01:37:39):
up the next morning. You know, Why do the crops grow? Why
does it seem to be seasonal?You know, and so on and so
forth, And that is how Ithink religions. I don't care if I
go back thirty thousand years a thousandyears six weeks. You know, that
to me was why religions became andgot the important that they have, because

(01:38:02):
mankind could not explain certain things,so they had to create godlike creatures or
a godlike individual who knew everything,saw everything before it happened, and you
know that was there to guide usin some kind of way. But it
does show one thing that no matterwhere you are around the world, whether

(01:38:25):
you're a Christian, you're a Muslim, you're a Jew, or any other
of the many different religions globally,that we're all searching for something to get
us through this this fear that welive on, this ball of rock,
this water world. You know,we're all looking through for something to get
us through the day to day messthat we've created. Yeah, yeah,

(01:38:47):
it's definitely most likely you know thatway, But maybe other people and other
things have tied into religions that havebeen formed. Because someone picks up a
short of glass or a nice shinypiece of obsidian stone and they're and their
reflection, they saw something behind them, the spirit of a of a loved

(01:39:10):
one who is not dead that isstill with them even now in thought and
in memory and in it's just asmuch alive as they are and not hurting
and in a beautiful place. Andeven that speaks to you something differently of
how you interpret that. Like,but yeah, with the afterlife, but
also you know, repetition cycles,and it does go back to the earth,

(01:39:39):
It goes back to water, itgoes back to law. You know,
the things that have been will be. And if we're talking about eternal
life, there's a process of water. Water goes through a process. The
water that comes out of the earthmight not have started there. Maybe it
came from the heavens and absorbed throughthe underworld for so many millennia or days

(01:40:00):
and then evaporates into the heaven asthe sun passes by in the new morning
and gets to rise on all ofits glory up into join the celestial team
and the clouds with the lord ofthe morning Sun. Who is the lord
who's on that cross, you know, on the cross of the equinox?
Who you know? And and that'sthe thing is to test it, is

(01:40:24):
to test it and see were theywas it made to control people or or
are there very deeper meanings behind Ezekiel'swheel, you know, a celestial chariot
or is it the procession of theequinox? That are the thousands of odd
and millions of eyes? Are thosewatcher stars in the sky that are watching

(01:40:48):
that. Sometimes they're able to breaktheir orbit and come down and blink at
you, you know, for afew moments. But if they get caught,
they might get shot down by themilitary. It's these questions. Or
if it looks like a Chinese balloon, they'll get shot down anyway. They
learned to bok them. We're shootingall balloons. Anything looks like a balloon,

(01:41:09):
getting we know, that's what theylike to pretend to be. And
I'll say this because I don't knowif you alluded to this at the beginning,
just about older books and somebody else'swriting or whatever. But the work
of Zacharia Sitchen and what he broughtto the table for Ufology and the Book
of Incy and another take on ancientantiquity in the Bible stories and stuff,

(01:41:30):
really is. But there was somethinginteresting when he talked about this contact at
the beginning, when he interpreted thesethese tablets or whatever, that the prophet
was being communicated with telepathically, Andthat was said several times throughout the book
that the god. The people won'tbe able to see the gods. But

(01:41:54):
I'm communicating with you. I'm givingyou dreams and visions every night. I'm
going to continue this conversation in yourhead. You don't, You're you're too
stupid or primitive to know. I'mgonna down supernaturally download into you what is
in these books. And if youknew what was in these books, the

(01:42:15):
people would discount you and say thatyou've just learned it at the local university.
But as someone like Calvin Parker,right, it's like, let me
take this guy and give them inrockets World. People are begging for this,
and they're going to colleges and tostudy religion. What if Calvin Parker
studied a side of religion or notto study, but experienced it. And

(01:42:38):
so I'm likn to that of thiskind of telepathic I would call it telepathic
that you had, you acknowledge,Oh there's a ship, it's gone.
And I say that because I youknow, I've had those as well.
And who else has had it?Who can I talk to that's had something
similar? That's not gonna laugh?And so you start your own press,

(01:43:00):
So you start your own podcast,and you find like minded people who have
had a similar experience, and nowwe have a UFO religion or whatever we
do have, but people asking thebigger questions. And I thought that that
was interesting. How the prophets weren'table to see the gods, but sometimes
they were able to see their apparition, their likeness, or as they spy

(01:43:20):
and see their shadow, and maybeyou can see my likeness in the clouds
kind of thing. I thought thatwas interesting. Incisiens work that mirrored ancient
text, if you will, andyour experience, I would say, yeah,
we'll live in a fascinating world.World that as from millennia, and
millennia provided more than its fair shareof I won't going to say I was

(01:43:47):
going to say simple curiosities, butthey're not simple, but they are curiosities,
you know. And perhaps one daywe will all get the answers that
we're looking for. But let's hopeit comes before we finally stop breathing.
That's all I'll say on that subject. You know, I certainly would love
to know what I saw, youknow, February nineteen seventy three, and

(01:44:11):
hopefully one day I we'll get thatanswer. And I want to end with
this because this is why I wentdown that path for you or for us
and for the audience, is thefact that and even tie it into CE
five. I would like to knowwhat happens when you go out under the
stars or under the clouds wherever youare, and feel the energy of how

(01:44:33):
it felt when you first saw it, in the excitement and the curiosity,
which it's still there. But togo out and see if you can repeat
it and say, hey, canI see you again? For old time's
sake? Can I and that youwould go into just try it to tie
into the CE five. I triedto get Calvin to do that, but

(01:44:57):
obviously his experience was pretty traumatic,Like I don't want to do that,
you know, because this was definitelydifferent. But yeah, I would be
curious to know if you, youknow, go out under an open sky
and just give it time, giveit a little while and not five minutes,
but maybe you know, twenty minutes. Maybe well, I will say

(01:45:17):
before we close. I do goout on regular sky watches around my local
area, you know, with myson, we do. We do them
on a regular basis. And thatfeeling of wonderment when you look up at
the sky and you can see allthe stars. You know, it's still

(01:45:39):
there and I'm still sat if notthat I want to have a religious type
feeling, come wonderment feeling, butit's that curiosity that still drags me out
there, that I'm looking for thatanswer that one day I'm sure the world
will have. We'll get the answerthat we want eventually. Yeah, I

(01:46:02):
agree, I agree, and uhand and and and that's more than anything.
Whether somebody has to see it onetime or seventy times, you know,
it still produces a feeling that makesthe world a better place in conversations
like this that help people who areasking the same questions who would who aren't
getting any answers by any means,not that they got any answers now they're

(01:46:25):
going to leave this podcast with morequestions. But that's the name of the
game. It's the it's the childlikewonder, the awe, the pursuit of
it. And it's always better thanthe journey anyway, because when we find
out that it was Chinese weather balloons, it's like, oh, man,
I thought it was a being fromanother galaxy or an angel from the Book
of Second Address in the Bible orsomething. Yeah, I have a tagline

(01:46:49):
which which I use on the PDIAversion of the of the magazine, and
it's being formed, whether that's youknow, looking for information yourself reading information
that you know you can trust andwhere it's come from, you know,
but be informed and seek out yourown answer to what is going on on

(01:47:11):
the planet. And by the planet, I mean, you know, are
we're being visited and we're not beingvisited, but there is something crazy that
is going on that we do notknow. Nobody has got the answers for
NASA and got them because I've alreadyadmitted that they didn't have enough information last
year, and you know, thePentagon has basically said the same. We

(01:47:32):
need more information. So hopefully they'llget that information and then we'll all get
the answers that we need. Yep, I agree, Chris, Thanks so
much for hanging out, Man,is a pleasure talking with you and your
work, what you bring to thetable and keeping that fervency of the child
like oh I wonder and ever beinga student you know, in this field

(01:47:56):
of life in general. Man,it was good to have you let people
know where they can go to checkout the book and work at that place
to purchase the thatt. Okay,they can get the book on Amazon.
It's in the USA and in theUK. It's just search for my name
Chris Evers, e V e RS c h r r S e V
e r S on Amazon, putbook next to it. It's the only

(01:48:19):
one there, so you'll found thatthere. It's called the Shape of Things
to come from elsewhere. Or theycan go to the good old Internet and
w W W dot O, lM, hyphen mag M A G dot
co dot UK and nearly said,come there, we'll try and both why
not, you know, And thereyou'll find all the information there about me

(01:48:42):
and the conference and the book andhow to subscribe to the magazine and everything
on there. My pleasure. Thankyou for having me on board. All
right, thank you, So we'lldo it again. Thanks Chris Evers.
Ladies and gentlemen. Man, somebodywho is intrigued about the universe by eternity,
even at a young age, youknow you would, you would see

(01:49:04):
it even in his name. Again, I just picked up my phone and
you've albably saw me, if thoseof you who are watching on video.
But I was looking at my phone. I was looking up what his name
meant and Chris Evers, the onewho bears Christ for all of eternity,
forever bearer of Christ. So youwould you would you would tie in the

(01:49:24):
fact that he's wondering about eternity evenat a young age. Right, we're
asking bigger questions, and you wouldthink that it's the ones who asked the
questions who get the answers, Butit seems to be it's the ones who
asked the questions only are left withmore questions at the end of the day.

(01:49:45):
It seems like those who asked thequestion once they've got it all figured
out. Those who have read onebook, they got it all figured out.
I remember reading the quote recently thatsaid that a ignorant person reads one
one book and think that they haveeverything figured out. But there's geniuses,
scientists, philosophers read a thousand booksand find out that they don't know anything.

(01:50:11):
And it seems like that's the case. The universe is big. There's
so many different ways to engage andexperience what's going on. If it's weather,
if it's lights in the sky,if it's balloons passing over your house,
and someone says, well, maybeit's a UFO who knows pick up

(01:50:38):
the phone film it see what's up, and I encourage people to do that.
With all of the things that youthink you know. I'm encouraging more
questions because trust me, you don'tknow. And I'll leave you with the
words of the Great Maxwell. Healways said this, Never trust the person

(01:51:04):
coming to you who claims to haveall the truth and have it all figured
out. Never trust that person.He's lying. But you can always trust
the person who's seeking the truth.Take that the heart be well, my
friends, we'll do it again onthe truth Speaker podcast. So much,

(01:51:30):
so much, so much. Wellthat does it for this episode. Folks.
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