"Unearthly Whispers: Insider Confirms Telepathic Alien Contacts!"

Colin Saunders shares his personal experiences with UFOs and alien encounters, which initially seemed like out-of-body experiences but later took on a more telepathic nature. He discussed how these encounters inspired his contributions to UFO conferences and the intriguing concept of the Hitch IQ effect, where close encounters lead to a series of inexplicable experiences.

Colin recounted his close encounter with a UFO on a secluded country road. He described the craft as a large, triangular shape with a distinctive diamond silhouette, adorned with lights and capable of remarkable maneuvers such as de-cloaking. This encounter, so vivid and impactful, not only left Colin in awe but also cemented his belief in extraterrestrial life. Colin revealed how it was the precursor to 18 months of paranormal occurrences.

He shared his belief that the beings he encountered were not extraterrestrial but interdimensional, offering a fresh perspective on the nature of these encounters and the reactions of his peers to his stories.

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Episode Transcript

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In the dead of night, undera starlit sky, Colin Saunders's reality shattered
as he witnessed a triangular craft silentlygliding above, defying the laws of physics
and challenging the very essence of hisbeliefs. This was no ordinary night in
nineteen ninety nine. It marked thebeginning of an odyssey into the unknown.

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Colin, propelled by this eerie encounter, embarked on a mission to uncover the
truth. His quest led him toa startling discovery he was not alone.
His book became a compilation of overone hundred thirty first hand accounts, each
narrating close encounters with these enigmatic triangularu fos in the United Kingdom. But

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the narrative takes an even more bizarreturn. Witnesses reported not just sightings,
but lost time, mysterious men inblack, and a strange connection between UFOs
and paranormal activities. The most bonechilling aspect reports of alien telepathy, a
concept so alien it seems ripped fromthe pages of science fiction. Colin Saunders's

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story is a testament to the unexplainedmysteries that hover in our skies, a
reminder that the universe harbors secrets beyondour current understanding. His journey from a
quiet night in nineteen ninety nine todelving into the depths of the unknown challenges
us to question what truths lie hiddenin the night sky. But as we

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delve deeper into his narrative, onequestion lingers a question that might change everything
we know about our world and ourselves. What if the answers we seek are
not in the skies, but withinus. Stay tuned for an exploration into
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what's up, ladies and gentlemen.Welcome to the Troopsika Podcast. I'm
excited to be here. We're talkingabout UFOs and the paranormal today. My
guest is Colin Son. Colin,welcome to the show. Brother, How
are you ohm good? Thank youDerek, and thank you freeviting me to

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your show. I've seen the modelsand the pictures and these things that you've
been creating, of these these craftthat you've experienced, so you put out
a book on this. You havemodels and this is like really a big
part of your life, so readyto dive into it with you your experiences
and what you what got you intoit, and while you're still like,

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I don't know if is obsessed agood word, but then yeah, I
would say you obsessed is a prettygood yes. I think it had so
much of an impact on me thatnight that I've never been able to stop
thinking about it. It'll soon betwenty five years and I've thought about it
every day since then, and I'vehad some other experiences as well, which

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we can talk about along the way. Yeah, well, let's I love
to start at the beginning always,so if you want to set that up
for the listeners, just talk about, you know what got you I went
to this field like that first encounter, and it would just build on now.
Yes, Before before I get intothe actual sighting, I just want
to say that originally I've got nointerest in UFOs. I wasn't looking through

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the UFO, just a passing interestlike everybody else. I've been to see
Style Wars at the Pictures when thatcame out all those years ago, but
no great fascination, you know.I wasn't looking for this thing now.
Also, the reason why I thinkI personally make a good witness is because
of my working career, which I'lljust quickly run through, because it does

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have a bearing I believe on thesiting and all certainly on the model that
I've built. I'm now heading forretirement. I'm sixty five now, but
I spent all my life being adraftsman. I've been an electrical design draftsman.
I've worked in the oil industry forChevron Petroleum. I've worked in New

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Zealand for refrigeration companies. But moreimportantly I have worked on the airbus in
Germany, and I also worked forSABAA Space for a couple of years in
Sweden on the civilian aircraft over there. And also along the way, I
became auto CAD User of the Yearback in I think I was nineteen eighty

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nine. I've got the trophy behindme there somewhere. But auto CAD is
a really good computer aided design package. I got quite involved in that.
So my whole life leading up tothe encounter has been drawing basically on the
drawing board and working with geometry,which I think obviously especially the aircraft industry
gives me a good ground in whatwe saw that night. So if we

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go to that night it all startedon the thirty first of March nineteen ninety
nine. We've gone out for ameal in the English countryside in a little
village called Pailton. There's a pubthere called the White Lion. And there
were two cars. I was inthe car, my wife was driving the
first car, and my mother inlaw it was her birthday that day.

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She was sitting sitting next door tonext to my wife, and I was
sitting in the back with my daughter. There's me and my daughter and my
wife and my mother in law allin one vehicle, and in the next
vehicle was my brother in law withhis French partner and her grandparents. So
we'd gone to the pub. We'dhad a by our mill and everything was

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fine. Then we'd come to leave, and I remember as we pulled off,
I looked through the back window ofthe car that we was in.
I could see my brother in lawstruggling to get the old French lady into
the range rover. So we pulledoff her head and I thought they'll soon
soon catch us up. So offwe went through the Warwickshire countryside. It's
pitched black, there's no street lights, it's just country lanes, and we

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come up to an old Roman roadcalled the Foss Way. This was built
obviously centuries ago by by the Romans, and they apparently they build them on
lay lines, but whether that's gotanything to do with it or not,
I don't know. But we said, right, we're just about to turn
onto the Foss Way, and mydaughter said, oh, there's been talk
of headless horsemen down here, sowe all laughed, had a bit of
chuckle, says, yeah, we'llkeep our eyes open for in them.

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As soon as we turned the corner. He's actually half a mile away,
because I've been there and measured itthe very next day. With some lights
hovering by the side of the road. There were red, mainly deep red,
with a bit of white mingled upinto the lights as well. Now,
obviously we all got excited by thisbecause this is a foss way.
There's no street lights, there's nopylons, there's no aircraft lights, there's

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nothing. It's just dark black countrysideand there's been nothing on the way down.
And we passed as don't like worksor civil engineering, going on anything
along those lines. They were justthese lights. So we all talking about
them, saying there's too many lightsfor helicopter and two loaf airplane and that
sort of thing, and they werejust flashing away the brilliant lights show absolutely
amazing, and we drove towards them, talking and getting all excited, and

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then we stopped more or less underneaththem. I would say, and I'm
very good with distancing, is thiscraft was one hundred feet away from us,
except at this particular moment in time, there was no craft. It
was just lights. These lights werejust suspended in the sky, and I
would say there must have only beensomething like fifty feet off the ground and
one hundred feet away, extremely close. If I got a cricket ball that

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could have hit them. Now,on the back, there were four big
red lights and they were tilted atan angle, and it just quickly show
you on the book you can seethese four red lights at the back.
They weren't level with the earth.They were tilted at a slight angle,
and there was a bit of whitemixed in with these lights, and a
smaller red light off to one side. And I remember staring at the fourth

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flight the highest one of the tilt, and it got like a crisscross effect
on the lens. It looked reallyinteresting. It looked like Newton's ring interference.
It didn't look like a manufactured pieceof glass like a stop light on
the traffic lights. It looked likethe light coming out of it was and
these wave patterns in it and madeit a criss cross pattern on it.

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And I'm thinking to myself, whaton earth are we looking at here?
It's absolutely incredible. As soon asI had that thought, I could see
the sky start to ripple around thelights. It's easy if I show you
on this particular what this is thefirst model that I built. Actually,
okay, I've got a battery pack. So we're looking at the rear end

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of this craft and it's tilted atan angle lights, but there's no craft.
It's just these lights. And Ican see another slight red light off
to one side, which is thisone on the front of the nose here,
which I worked out later by buildingthe model. So as I'm staring
at this set of lights, we'reall staring at them, the sky starts
to ripple around the outside. Itlooked like a diamond shape, but that

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was cus. The nose was tilteddown like this, so you can see
the silhouette of a diamond. Assoon as I've seen the sky start to
ripple, I thought there's something aroundthose lights. And then immediately it decloaked.
It was like star Trek, youknow, and Klingons de cloak their
ship. It was just like that. It totally decloaked in front of us,
and there was this enormous triangle,except the rear end was facing us.

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As soon as it materialized. Whathappened next was its nose. So
here we are at the rear endof it. Its nose floated up in
the air like that. Now,if it had tilted from the middle of
the craft, it would have struckthe ground. It was that close to
the ground. So the rear endstay there it was, and the nose
came up like this, like alike a horse rearing up to reveal the

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top surface of the craft. Andthe top of the craft was like a
liquid effect with silver beams on topinterlocking. As we go on, I'll
show some more models that we've made, but show that in a better configuration.
This is the first handbuilt model Imade out of well, actually the
second model, and the first onewas stolen from from my vehicle. There

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was a break into the vehicle andsomebody stole my first model, which was
a bit a bit concern and Inever did find it again. Whoever broke
into the car, they took thecassette player out the dashboard and they took
the model of the UFO. Well, the cassette player was worth nothing,
So I've got a feeling that we'rejust looking for the for the UFO.
Yeah, probably got that for Christmas. So at this point, there was

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something strange that happened. But we'llcome back to that. Otherwise it will
it will make more sense if wego through the sequence of events. So
this craft materialized right in front ofus, and we're all shouting stop,
stop, wanting to get out.When we got me and my mother in
law. She was seventy two thatday. She's passed away. Now,
unfortunately we would have got on board. We were so excited to see this

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thing in front of us. Imean, it was just beautiful to look
out the way it'd been manufactured.Also, when it materialized, the two
wing tips that were closest to us, they had like little fluffy white plows
of condensation appeared on them, andI believe that's because the craft itself was
extremely cold, and this condensation iscreating and it's come to the least points

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of resistance, which was the threepoints of the triangle. Again, I'll
come back to that a little bitlater on as to why I think that
that occurred. All right, sowe're looking at it, said, let's
stop, let's want to get out, and my wife is a very sensible
person. So she drove forward toreverse into a gateway. The gateway was
pretty much underneath this craft at theside of the road. It was a

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gateway to a horses field and therewas a stable there were some horses in.
But as she pulled forward, therewas a big hedge that blocked the
view, and I thought to himself, it's going to go. It's going
to go now. So she reversedinto heage. We jumped out and sure
enough could have gone. We gotout of town. We stood there.
There were no smell of any aviationfuel, no thermal signature, nothing.

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In fact, it was deadly quiet. But what we did see in the
distance was another craft going away withfour big red lights on the back.
But this one was absolutely massive.This was like the size of a football
pitch. We stood there looking atthat going away, and I was going
that earth is there? Look?And I knew nothing about UFOs. I
said, look, it's changed itssize. It's massive and how And then

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we're going, oh, I don'tknow. The girls are saying, I
don't know what it is. Sothen we got back into the car,
drove drove back home. Now mymother in law lives next to my brother
in law. Brought the house nextdoor to my mother in law. He
was in the range rover, theone that was back at the pub,
So the whole episode didn't last verylong. We drove home and there,

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to our surprise, was the rangerover, and they arrived home before us.
And also they were all out ofthe ranger over inside the house having
a cup of tea. So they'veobviously arrived home a bit before we arrived
home. But we've never seen thempass us, and they never saw us,
and they never saw the craft either. It was all very peculiar.
So what happened then was because ofmy a Ddrassmen, I started drawing it

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the very next day. I wasrunning my own business at the time,
so that gave me the opportunity tostart making some models. But I started
drawing it for a start, producingsome nice, clear concise pictures of what
we've seen that night, and memy daughter draw some pictures as well.
And then I started to make themodels. And like I said, the
first one was stolen them from thevand the second one was this one,

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the wooden one apply with the batteryin lights. But then a friend of
mine came to see me one dayand he said he brought three D printer
and as part of an experiment hewanted to make, he had my UFO
for me, so he produced this. This is the first one. So
this is the first triangle the Leaproduced for me on the three D printer.

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And if you look at it closely, you can see it's got the
beams there. You can see thebeams raised upon the surface and he's put
some batteries in it, so we'vegot the lights at the back, the
lights underneath, etc. I mean, it really is a beautiful piece of
kit. It took me a longtime to make it. It didn't want
anything for doing it. The difficultpart was getting all the design files together

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to print it. Once you dothat it's fairly easy to keep manufacturing.
So I came up with a greatidea. I said, if I sell
these on eBay for you, willyou make me a big one. I
don't want any money. I justwant you to make me a large craft
that's more like the original we sawthat night. So we did. And
here it is. This is thefinal the final model, which switched the

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lights on on this one. Nowthis one has got the full color if
you like. So for instance,if you look at the surface, we
can see the beams, they're adifferent color to the liquid surface. Can
you see the surface of the craft, It looks like it's a liquid and
made a great job of the paintjob on this particular craft, this model,
it looked like liquid mercury running upand down the surface. But the

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beam and it was moving. Itwas all moving, but the silver beams
were not moving. When they wereinterlocking at ninety degrees, you could see
it had clearly been manufactured. Butit looked like nothing had ever seen in
my life. But it looked organic. It looked like it was alive.
Even though you could see it wasa craft that had been manufactured, it
looked alive. It felt like itwas alive, and when it tilted up,

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three thoughts came straight into my mind. The first one was, my
God, aliens exist. The secondone was abductions take must take place.
And the third one, this explainsmysteries from history like pyramids and things,
because I've got the feeling these guyshave been around a long long time.
So this is the final model.The underneath of the model is actually based

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on a Belgium siding. I meta gentleman called Omar Fowler. He sent
me some drawings that had been madein Belgium. This was back in the
eighties. This is the underneath.We never saw the underneath. We only
saw the rear end and then thetop as it rose up as it and
it floated like a submarine underwater.The way it moved, it was really
weird to see its maneuver. Butthis one in Belgium had also got these

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lines in relief coming off the surfaceinterlocking. It just seemed to me it
could be the same craft because we'vegot the beams on the top coming off
now the one in Belgium. Now, are there pictures of that or is
our witness testimony? There's no picturesof it? Now there's are drawings that
the guy did when it flew overhis head, and I got sketches of
that inside the book that I've written. So this is what I always called

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the nuts and bolts of the storythe craft. The models were built,
but there is more to it,and this is what really freaked out and
probably why I've become obsessed, especiallyas I'm an engineer by trade. I
mean, just seeing the thing wasincredible. It just blew me away.

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You knew straight away it was notfrom this world. You could just tell,
and it was like the Odds effect. When we got out the car,
it was so quiet and there's nothingaround, and after a while cars
are coming again and with the airtraffic. But what happened was, again
this is going to sound really weird. They were staring at the rear of

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the craft, and I'm staring atthis particular light here, the one that's
got the crisscross effect. Then itmaterializes and you get the white fluffy clouds
around these wing tips and around thefront one as well. But then as
it rose in the air like this, as it floated up, all of
a sudden, I had this closeup view. It's like somebody had put
a pair of monopoas in front ofmy eyes, and what I could see

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this was the first view was aclose up of the beams interlocking. The
second view was the nose, andit was that close I couldn't see any
more of the beams. I couldjust see the big round nose and the
way it had been manufactured was absolutelystunning. I remember thinking, this is
so beautiful. And then there wasa third view, a side of you,
which showed a milky white core,and it showed the top and the

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bottom joined this milky white corn.They rolled over like a hovercraft skin or
the edges of a pie that hadbeen baked in. So there were three
distinct close up views now that allowedme to build the model to such a
great accuracy. This is an accuratereconstruction of the model. Without those extra

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views, I wouldn't have been ableto build this because from from my viewpoint,
there's no way we would have seenthis side view. Here we only
saw the back and the top.So I thought for many years that I'd
had an out of body experience,but I meant I met a gentleman at
a UFO conference. I'm sure hewould have heard of him, Bud Hopkins.

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I met quite a few famous UFOresearchers over the years, these come
to conferences that we had in Leedsin the north of England. Now I've
got five minutes with Bud. Itold him the story of the craft,
how it teerialized, and then howI got these close views. And I
said to him, I think Ihad an out of body experience, and
Bud says to me, Nay saysthat that wasn't an out of body experience.

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He says, they were images placedin your mind by the occupants on
board the craft. It was liketelepathy. And I thought that sounds a
bit weird, that sounds a bitfar out that and then somebody, this
was the woman who was in thequeue, put it in and that was
the end of my conversation with Bud. Unfortunately, he couldn't expand on why
he thought that. But I stillkept on clinging to the idea out of

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body experience. I didn't take onboard the telepathy. I tried to do
an out of body again and readbooks on it, but nothing happened.
And then one day, what hadhappened. I did a presentation in Birmingham
and I talked about the close viewing, and the guy there, Dave Holden,
said to me that he had asimilar report where an alien got out

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of a craft and this guy wasstanding on a farmer's gate quite a distance
away, but all of a sudden, the alien's face was right in front
of him, telling him to getaway and move. He shouldn't be there.
I was thinking, that's very similarnow, as coincidences go. Within
two weeks of that, I hadan email from a guy in Connecticut,

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in America, and he started offby saying, I've had a close encounter
with a triangle and just like you, I had three images placed in my
mind, three close up views.And he went on to tell me the
details of the craft that he saw. He thinks one of the views was
internal of the craft, but he'sseen this from his car and the craft
got very close to him, andthen there was some other interaction with it

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as well. He's never told anybodythat. He's not told mouf On or
anybody else. He's only got intouch with me because he saw one of
my presentations on the Internet. Now, when I read that, it was
like eureka. The penny dropped allof the sudden I realized Bud Hopkins was
right. I've been listening to alot of David Jacobs stuff on the aductees

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and everything is done by telepathy.Now a lot of the time images are
placed in people's minds. Now thatwould make sense. I've spent my whole
life working with images. That's whatI do, and I'm still doing it
now. Actually I'm doing embroidery,designs, digitization of different logos, etc.
So my whole life has been spentaround images, and an image paints

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picture paints a thousand words. Soit then became clear that what took place
was that during the closed encounter,and this took me a while to tetie
on board, an alien on boardthat craft had telepathy with me and put
those images into my mind. Andover the years I have wondered whether the
first three thoughts that I had whenthe craft tilted up may have been telepathy

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as well, because I didn't.It was like meeting God, even though
I'm not religious. It was beautiful, it was not frightening, it was
totally the opposite. You felt loveand just felt flipping neck. This is
amazing, absolutely incredible, right,you know? So I believe right what

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happened then, and I've put itall in the book. I started to
have some strange experiences after the event. Now, I was forty years old
when I saw the craft. Inthe first forty years of my life,
as far as I can recall,I had no paranormal experiences, no UFOs,
no ghost no nothing. Now,all of a sudden, after the
UFO, I'm starting to have somestranger things happening, paranormal things, and

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I believe this hapms quite a lotwith people. It's called the hitch Eiker
effect. I've even got a namefor it now, whereby people who have
close encounters go on to other thingshappened to them. So I kept a
list of everything that took place,and I put the dates on as well.
I'd rather did that now put allof those into the book for about
eighteen months. It's certainly quite quitean off a lot now, but I'll

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tell you about one of them.For instance, and this is such an
interesting one. I was at theriver fishing. I love fishing. So
I'm down the river saw in Bothlyin Leicestershire, actually standing in the water
in waders fishing, and I amloving it. I'm in my element.
I'm actually a beautiful thing to doand it's a lovely day. And then
I hear some footsteps coming across thefield towards me, and I thought,

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oh, that's could be some guysshooting from the farm. I've seen him
in the past, like so I'dbetter get up and make myself known that
I'm sitting at the river. Downat the river, so I climb quite
a big bank, climb up bankonto the towpath and there was nothing there,
but the noise was continuing and itwas coming towards me, and there
was four footsteps, either two peopleor one big animal. And I started

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to freak out a little bit herebecause it's getting closer and I can't see
anything. It's totally invisible. Soin my rod hole, I've got an
umbrella with a big spike that you'resticking to the ground, so I took
that out for protection. And Iwas thinking what am I going to do?
And I thought before was it couldhave been a cat. So I
think if it's a big cat,because they do get released in the countryside,
and then it's going to come forme. I'm going to go back

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down the bank of the river andget it to jump on me and impair
it on this spike that I've got. I mean, that's that was my
game plan. Oh, bricking it. I was really scared. I have
to say. Now, this thing, whatever it was, walked in front
of me, maybe six foot infront of me, and it went from
left to right, but not ablade of grass was moving, not a
trig was moving. And then itjust started to fade away. So I

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started hitting the grass with the polethat I got in the spike, and
then I put that in my armand clapped my hands. Nothing came out,
and I stood there and it justwent. And I thought, you
know that that wasn't here. Thatwas somewhere else. You hear these things
where it's some sort of space timecontingency. Something took place, but whatever

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it was was not in our world. And that was the day, that
exact point that I realized that theUFO I had seen was not from outer
space. It's got to be dimensional, because it's left a residue with me,
and these other things are happening.And I wonder whether these other things
happen all the time, but we'rejust not aware of them. We're not

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using our brain to pick them up. But from the UFO experience, for
the next eighteen months or quite alot of things that took place that were
paranormal. And I know this wasleft over from the UFO because I had
nothing prior to the UFO. SoI am absolutely convinced that these beings are
interdimensional. I don't believe they livein hollow Earth. I don't believe they

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living, and they might live inthe Earth, they might live in another
sea. But the way the encountertook place, it was almost like we
were in a different dimension ourselves fora short while, because the next day
when we went back from where weturned onto the Fosse Way, there's no
way we could have seen it.There were too many trees and bushes and
stuff in the way. It wasalmost like it was a different scenery.

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But all of it was just sostrange. But the gateway was still there
the next day. But yeah,the whole the whole thing at this high
strangeness about it. So that's prettymuch the story, and it's calmed down
now. Though at the end ofthis chat, I'll tell you something that
happened just a couple of weeks agoto a friend of mine well to my

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wife actually, so that generally iswhat took place, and that's why I've
become obsessed because of the telepathy.I believe, and it sounds odd,
but I believe I've had telepathy withan alien during that closing encounter, and
that was to build this the model. Yeah, I love the fact that

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you seem like a regular well todo guy, you know, and like
somebody seeking attention, seeking, seekingfame or you know, this is just
your story, regular guy, andyou had this encounter. So for you
to be able to share all ofthese little weird nuances like the telepathic communication,
feeling like you may have left yourbody, and then the paranorma that

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continued to happen. I love thatbecause it's always like, you know,
the woo woo people or you know, this crazy redneck farmer in the field
or something. But it's somebody that'sgot their stuff together. It's a professional
in your field, you're trusted witha lot of responsibility, and then you

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have the encounter. So I reallylove the fact that that people are at
least talking about it. Let's saythat, because maybe, yeah, maybe
those people have been having the encounters, they just don't want to talk about
it to seem woo woo crazy,you know stuff. Was there ever that
for you or was it just likeway to make sense? I mean,

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over the last twenty odd years,nearly twenty five years, I think there's
only been one of two people whohave we ruled it. Everybody else has
gone with it, and a lotof them has actually said like, because
it's you, we believe you've seensomething we need to see ourselves. I
mean, I needed to see itmyself, but obviously I've got integrity and
people believe what I'm telling them tobe honest. The amazing thing is the

(30:22):
amount of people that I've met inthe UFO world over the last twenty five
years who have had experiences. Soit's lovely talking to those people because I'm
not here to try and convert anybodyto make them believe. I'm just telling
my story and it's to you whetheryou want to take it on board or
not. I mean the book,For instance, I went to a conference.

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I was asked if I would doa presentation take my models along,
and I did that. I gotquite nervous, but I managed to do
an hour's presentation which went really well, and then then a guy I called
them Philip Kins other of the twins, Philip and Ronald Kinsella. I've had
them both on Yeah, chatting withthem, and they Philip said, well,

(31:07):
why don't you write a book.I said, well, I've thought
about writing the book, but notuntil I retire, and I'm not sure
what I'll be able to fill it. And said, we'll just do like
the extension of your presentation that you'vedone today. So I thought, right,
So I came home and I startedwriting the book. Now put me
in everything I've been talking about toyourself. But we didn't have enough to

(31:29):
fill the book. I was intouch with Philip Mantle, I've met him
many times over the years, andhe was saying, we really need to
get some more sightings in there,some other people's experiences. So I worked
on it quite quite hard. AndI'll produce the book because I want to
tell people my story. I haven'tproduced it because I want to make money.

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That's not the point of the book. So what's happened. I've created
like this almost in hisilopedia. I'vegot a hundred thirty different close encounters in
the book. That is a phenomenalamount and not one of those sightings,
not two of those sightings are thesame. They're all different, which it
gets through the TR three B theory. Yeah, that's the first thing that

(32:15):
comes to my mind when you showthem maths, you know, because that's
the popular one, at least theones they've released to us in the public
eye, and those kind of things. Well, it's what people that released
on the internet. But we've nevergot any definitive answer that they actually do
exist or photos do exist. I'msure because I realized on that next day

(32:35):
that if I'd seen this UFO andthey're real, I'm not the only one
that's done it. And the militarymust know about it. So they must
be working on these projects. Butwhether they can understand them or not,
I don't know. It would bea certain amount. Maybe there might be
materials that are not available on thisplanet that have come from other dimensions.
I believe from what I've heard fromother abductees that they fly the at with

(33:00):
the mind, not with conventional equipmentlight. So to get a human to
try and fly an alien spacecraft mustbe very difficult. So yeah, so
the book. I created the book, and what I started to do when
people were writing to me with theirown sightings was to ask if they've had

(33:22):
any other paranormal experiences, and Iwas getting more people saying yes than no.
God I knew it. I knewthis would happen. It's the dimensional
thing. So all of these people, and I think the majority of them,
apart from myself, I seem tobe a bit different to the others.
I've had paranormal experiences during childhood andgrowing up in the teens, and

(33:45):
all of it then culminates in theUFO experience. It's the other way around
me. I had nothing, hadthe UFO experience and started to have the
paranormal experiences afterwards. That has mademe realize that there must be a lot
of people see a lot of thingsin this world, and they probably don't

(34:05):
talk about it. It probably mightbe scared to that from what they've seen.
Yeah, but the world is notas we imagine it to be.
It's not just the nuts and boltsand everything we see, and I see
it all in a different light.Now makes me laugh sometimes at the way
the humors are behaving and what theoilers must must think about us. But
the book has been very enlightened,seems, I mean it seems like they're

(34:30):
trying to help. It seems likethey're trying to help, but we don't
know what we're looking at, andthey're trying to show us things. One
of the first things that comes tome with my own experiences that I try
to find similarities in what you're sharing, is almost like they're trying to show

(34:53):
us free energy and technology. Imean, we read that all of the
ancient Holy books, right you saidthat, that's like, okay, this
ancient history, this explains it.When we read about that, there's all
of this stuff about how the angelstaught man technology. They taught them all
types of really cool stuff that theydidn't know. Mankind eventually learns how to

(35:15):
use it and uses it for evilfor the most part, right you know,
rulers, and they keep it awayfrom the regular people. Maybe this
is them trying to share this beautifultechnology with regular people. I've seen many
different, you know, visions andestatic encounters where things are just not as

(35:38):
they seem and it seems like it'sbeyond my pay grade, Like why I
don't know what to do with thiskind of thing. Someone like you,
maybe a little bit closer to you, making models right, I mean,
we're doing our part. I'll saythat right where I got a podcast.
I'm at least now we're talking kindof thing, and I'm interested and to

(36:00):
see the bigger picture on the collectivehow it works. So that's that's a
wind for sure. But because whenyou look at the technology, whether it's
ancient or future technology both probably right. Have you seen the videos of like
what can be done with mercury,Like, there's really interesting videos of them

(36:24):
putting electricity to mercury. That is, that's a liquid, it'll start spinning
and then and then it'll solidify instantlyby putting electricity or something to mercury.
Have you seen any of that,because that's what it seems like, you
know, that's what you said thatthe liquid looked like and then has the

(36:44):
ability to orph and chain shape instantly. We've seen those videos, you know,
yes, Yeah, that's good point. Now I watched a video.
Somebody sent me a video of achap called boz a Mosa I think his
name was his own YouTube. Hedoes an experiment with the quantum livitation.

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So he gets a piece of metaland he freezes it down to zero degrees
Calvin. Then he puts it ona man exit field and it just goes
round and round, and if youstop it, it just sits in the
air with listening attached to it.But what amazed me about it was that
the amount of vapor that was comingoff the piece of metal because the metal
was so cold. And then thatgave me an idea that gave me a

(37:27):
theory. So this is the theory. But bear in mind, this is
not a man made craft. Thisis definitely Ailien because of the dimensional stuff
I've experienced since then. So,but what I wondered was the liquid on
the surface here, if that issomething like liquid nitrogen or liquid mercury that's

(37:47):
freezing cold zero degrees Calvin. Thesebeams on the surface, Now, if
these protrude through the transparent skin downinto the liquid, all of these beams
then become superconductors. All of thesebeams are super chilled top had bottom.
And once you've got these are superconductors, you then got quantum lemitation. So
then the craft will just sit therein mid air and then you'll be able

(38:12):
to direct it whichever direction you wantto go in. But rather than using
the normal proportion system, I thinkthey're using quantum levitation using the liquid to
freeze these beams on the surface.Now, often you'll hear people talk about
pipes that look like refrigerator pipes runningaround underneath of a craft. And I've
got a picture in the book fromMichael Shack that shows one of these craft

(38:35):
full of pipes running up and downthe surface. Now, I surmise that
those pipes are carrying the liquid andso all of the pipework becomes a superconductor,
whereas this is slightly different. Thisis got like a whole lake of
liquid mercury with the beams inserted intoit. But the end result is quantum
levitation. And because of the whenit materialized, and we've got the little

(39:01):
vaporization that little clouds on the tipson the three tips of the craft,
that makes me suspect that it isextremely cold. But I don't know.
We're only guessing. But it ismy theory that I've gone that one of
the things you said about you gazingat the craft and awe and in wonder

(39:28):
and your eyes are fixated, andthen you feel like, you don't know,
if you had an out of bodyexperience, there was this weird exchange
where you saw it right in frontof you. I'm doing I do this
show, and I love having theseconversations to work my own stuff out,

(39:50):
my own encounters and experiences. Andit's interesting that you say that, because
just yesterday I'm in the backyard gazingat the sky and with the with the
question, which is what I doif what what if those clouds? What
if they're what if they're in theclouds traveling, watching over humanity coming closer.

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They have jobs and roles, biblicaltype roles of maybe gathering souls when
souls die, assisting them, youknow, just letting the mind wonder,
because that's how you figure things out. And I'm just looking and gazing in
the different types of clouds that arecoming by, and and and I'm gazing
at it and literally for like yousaid, I mean it was only it

(40:37):
felt like just a second or two, I'm gazing. I'm looking at this
huge cloud I can see through andthere's stuff moving, but it's just vapors
and clouds, right, You can't. I don't see any anything definitive to
say that's it. But it's likeI'm acknowledging it as if it is.
Hey, I see you, Iknow you're in there. Hello, it's
passing right over me, and I'mlooking at it, just gazing, and

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then all of a sudden, likeyou said, boom, right there in
your vision, like the clouds disappeared. And it was just like the great
It was just up close, likeall of the definition disappeared. And I
saw the clouds up close. Ididn't see a craft. I didn't see

(41:21):
aliens or anything like that. Itwas just it was in front of me.
Everything morphed into one and it wasin front of me. But I
even even yesterday, you know,just and you're sharing that and it's these
little and I've had something similar likethat before, of just gazing, feeling
like you're you know, into thestars or whatever, trying to look and
just see you're up there. Scary, it feels strange, but but I

(41:46):
do practice the art of gazing atdifferent things and and and the clouds is
one of the things that I lookat, and you know, maybe maybe
that's in us that we can tapinto that or if it's an exchange said
they allow you. I think there'sa lot more insiders than what we realize.

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I now believe it wasn't an outof body experience. I do believe
it was them telepathy. The interestingthing about that is the other occupants of
the car, and the wife anddaughter from mother in law, they never
went on to have any other experiences, but they also didn't have any telepathy
that night. So my belief isthat by showing me the images of close
spemies of the craft, they've tappedinto some part of my brain and left

(42:29):
it open for a while, whichallowed all these other things to come through,
which I believe are always here,but we're just not aware of them
because that part of the brain isnot working. But the more people you
talk to, the more information yougather, you start to look for.
What I've always looked for is theconnections and similarities between sightings. So you

(42:49):
get somebody in South America and somebodyin America and somebody here talking about the
craft and the way they move.I remember one guy I had seen the
triangle. He said that the wayit moved was like if you get a
sheet onto a bed. You've gotthe four corners. You put the sheet
on the bed and it's got airtrapped in it, and as the air
comes out, the sheet comes downonto the bed. Whenever that I thought,
yeah, you've seen one. Iknow you've seen one, because you're

(43:12):
describing exactly the movement that I've seen. You need to see it to describe
it. In fact, the majorityof the people in this book, when
they talk about the craft, theytalk about it gliding its movement, and
they don't talk about it moving likea normal aircraft like it's always in this
terms of just gliding along like alike a fluid motion like a craft underwater,

(43:37):
and sometimes have been seen with theblunt end first as well. So
they're not aerodynamics as such. Theshape is not done. I don't think
the aerodynamics. I think it's donefor stability rather than their dynamics because of
the proportion system are using. It'sjust fantastic to talk to so many people
around the world and you thing I'vealways wound about is like I now realized

(44:04):
that these creatures that they're so moreintelligent than we are, so advanced they
are there. God knows what they'redoing, and while they keep hiding from
everybody all the time. And thenhe select a certain feud. But what
took that place, what took placethat night down the Foss Way, It
was done on purpose, That wasnot accidental. There was nobody else involved

(44:25):
with us, and it allowed usto see it close to now many people
are seeing in the top of atriangle. Most people only ever seen the
bottom because they're flying overhead going togo. One account in the book of
somebody else who wasn't looking down intoa value, who saw the top of
a triangle. So that night theywent to a lot of trouble to show
us and to show me, especiallythe craft and the details of the craft.

(44:46):
We all knew it was not fromthis world, but the extra details
and showed to me it was amazing. And then you think, well,
why was they watching us in thepub as well? And did they follow
his own? We had a lotof le problems at home The next day
somebody suggested that the triangle followed hisown and scanned the house to see what
our reaction was if we were doingperhaps what they wanted us to do.

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I mean, is my part inall of this subtle disclosure? I know
I've spoke to millions of people nowaround the world and showing the model,
but I'm hoping it does do something, because otherwise, why have I've gone
to all this effort. I've writtena book I've made models, done all

(45:29):
these podcasts that I'm not you know, I'm getting used to them. But
it's not something I've relished doing.But I've done it to spread the word.
And is that what my part is. It's not going to be a
big thing, like I'm not goingto be on national television in America standing
there with an agent or anything.It's all very subtle, you know.

(45:49):
So maybe over the years my bookwill get read by more people. There's
more triangles there, a scene,but I can't help feeling that it was
done for a purspose, but Ican't figure out exactly what that purpose is.
Let me ask you this. SoI've I catched things on camera and

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this is my life too, verystrange, right, and this is just
what I do. And I've Isaw for the first time, I've never
seen any videos and I I havebeen scouring the Internet for years and watching
anything I can find as far asfootage and different crafts and pyramid crafts and
all kind of crazy things out there. Right, But I found, for

(46:34):
the first time, from from myexperience, I filmed it a craft that
looked like or I say, craftcould be a living being. Right,
There's that you said, it seemslike it's alive. There is that that
that looked like a marcaba. Soit looked like a tetrahedron to where it's

(46:54):
two triangles interlocking. You know,there's a you know in the in the
Spiritual New Age movement, you seethat symbol everywhere. It's a macabo symbol.
It's like the Star of David,but it's three D. Yeah,
I saw. I've got it oncamera flying around going to the sun and
depositing things out, the white thingsout the bottom that go and they it's

(47:19):
a whole bunch of them and theydeposited into the sun. Have you heard
of anything like that, because I'venever seen anything yet. Other people are
saying, yeah, we've seen somethingsimilar. But the mircabo ones there's I've
got a bunch of them on oncamera. But that's kinds I feel drawn
too, because it was just different. I haven't seen that exact shape.

(47:42):
I haven't seen two triangles together,no, I have. I have seen
a sphere. This was only acouple of about about three years ago.
Now joined the lockdown over here andwas that walking the dog and it was
like a big metallic ball and itwas just going along and on one side
of it, like a crescent shapedwhite light was flashing. It was flashing

(48:06):
on and off, but it wasn'tsteady. It was like like it was
out of control. It was likeflash flash stop stop, flash flash flash
stop. And I'll watched it forquite a while and it was down in
the earth atmosphere. By the timeI seen it disappearing, I could see
fields behind it, so that waspretty exciting. But that's I've seen a

(48:29):
little spears in the sky, butI haven't seen anything like the first encounter.
I've not seen another another triangle beforeI forget you mentioned the pyramid Dad.
This is the book that of written. If anybody's interested, it's available
on Amazon, Triangle, UFOs orthe United Kingdom. I'll read you a

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little bit for me if you don'tmind, won't take long. A lady
called Lindsay Kerner Nottingham. He says, my friend was three years older than
me and we were unemployed at thetime. We decided to go and visit
Dad's property at ten to fifteen minuteswalk away, and we arrived at eight
to nine pm. The house hada football pitch just beyond the back garden

(49:13):
with wild space surrounding it. Theweather had been dry all day. When
we came to leave late that night, we glanced over to the football pitch
fire an entrance. We both spottedthe mist and a pyramid, so we
decided to go and investigate. Thepyramid object was the size of a council
house and not quite on the ground, but hovering just above the ground by
about a foot or two. Thepyramid looked to be made of glass and

(49:37):
was transparent. I could see swirlsof colored gas inside a yellow, blue
green in fat like a rainbow.As they approached the pyramid, it backed
away from them, but when theybacked away, the pyramid returned to its
original position. The craft at thatpoint became solid. In fact, Lindsay
described it as metallic, with Egyptianhieroglyphs on all the sides. One of

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these hieroglyphs was a and with abird's head carrying a long spear. Lindsay
and a friend became nervous and decidedto go home, where they believe they
lost between half to three quarters ofhow in time. They went back to
have a look later when it hadgone now, she phoned me all excited
and told me that twice she phonedme to talk about that makes you told
I couldn't believe it. I meanEgyptian hieroglyphs on the side of the pyramid

(50:22):
shape UFO on a football pitch inNottingham. I think this is incredible and
I believe it. I believe everystory in the book is true. I
don't believe anybody's making up because youwouldn't want to bring ridicule on yourself.
You wouldn't do this unless you hada proper experience. You wouldn't have the
courage to go through with it.Yeah, there's some fascinating encounters in this

(50:44):
book. Wow, for sure.Definitely, definitely people need to check it
out. In the imagery and thestories. You know, it's a you
know, once you from me interviewso many people and talk to so many
people, you look for consistency.You look like a commonality. It's like,
okay, here's the deal. Iffor skeptics or whatever, something's going

(51:07):
on. Something's going on. Soit's not that you know, all of
all of these people are lying orthey're thinking they're seeing something else. And
know there's too many people and peopleare together seeing the same thing. Now,
what what does your wife and everyoneelse say about the experience, because

(51:28):
obviously that's a you know, it'svery interesting how two people have the same
experience and one is like, yeah, that was strange, and you're just
like obsessed, right, you talkabout the teleopathy and stuff like that,
but even still just seeing it,like, you know, change your life.
I mean, I'm the same waywith the encounters I've had. I've
had people with me who they like, they don't talk about it, and

(51:50):
I can't stop talking about it,you know. Yeah. Yeah, My
my daughter was twelve at the time, and she just took it in a
stride, to be honest, evennow, like she knows, but she
saw something very strange and she sawthe triangle. She drew the same pictures
that I did. The mother inlaw. She was really excited. Fortunately,
like to say, she died justthree or four years ago. Now.

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When we cleared out her bedroom,I found all these newspaper cuttings on
power normal stuff. She'd never talkedabout any of this in all of her
life. So she's obviously had somesort of experiences in the past. So
yes, so she was really takenwith it. Now, my wife because
she was driving and being sensible,she didn't actually see the craft materialize.

(52:39):
By the time she pulled forward andreversed into the gateway, it had gone.
So just me, my mother inlaw, and my daughter saw the
actual craft materialize. My mother inlaw described it the same. So she
said, we've got girders on thesurface, is how she described it.
So when we all drew pictures,I got my wife to draw a picture,
and this is an interesting thing.She drew three red lights in a

(53:01):
perfect triangle. It's not a shinyred light at the moment, but term
a perfect triangle, no white lightin the middle. She saw three red
lights in a perfect ego actual triangle. Now, like I say, when
we approached the craft, it wastilted an angle like this with the nose
down. There is no way thatshe could have seen three red lights in

(53:23):
a perfect egolatual triangle. So whatI believe may have happened is that the
little craft in front of us,because it was like the side, it
would be about one hundred feet acrossthe bottom, maybe eighty feet out,
the size of a bus or asmall house. Like what I believe happened.

(53:45):
A new theory that this was anambush. This was the bait,
and my mother in law and mydaughter, we were transfixed on this thing
and watching it, watching the lightsand watching it materialize, and then watching
it maneuver in front of us.But my wife was looking forward on the
road, and I think what shemay have seen was the underneath of the

(54:07):
large craft that when we jumped outof the car we've seen going away from
us, And so I think there'sa possibility that the small craft went back
to this large mothership, and whatmy wife drew was the underneath of the
mothership as it passed over the car. I've put a drawing in the book
that shows that that shows how theambush would have worked. And looking at

(54:27):
the trajectory of the craft going awayfrom us, it would make sense that
it did actually come over the carduring the course of the ambush from the
little one that was right next tous almost landed. So that is a
possibility. I mean the other thingwhen I say she couldn't have seeing three
red lights. There was no craftat the time when we first approached it.

(54:52):
It was just lights and it wasincredible to see. Now what I've
got here is yet another model.This one is transparent. I've made this
one so that you get an idea. I think that that's how we got
to start engaging really like that.What transparent like that? So why was

(55:12):
it tilted at an angle like this? I believe it's because as we're driving
along, we get to see theunderneath, so we get to see more
lights instead of it being flat wherewe'd only see the lights sided. By
tilting up, it's showing more lights. But that shows intent, doesn't it
that they've done that on purpose tograb our attention? And when there's where

(55:36):
there's intent, there's a purpose,isn't there behind it? I don't you
know? It was almost like Iwas unmistakable, and that's why I built
this sea though version look at withoutthe lights and it's quite quite spectacular,
and that's how it appeared when wefirst arrived before it actually then morphed into
a solid object and then started floatingaround in front of us. Wow.

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I mean, the whole thing wasjust like being in a fantastic movie set.
It was incredible. Absolutely. Yeah. It's so strange when you have
those encounters and it's all in hindsight, because you have an encounter like that
and then you can go back andwatch Star Wars or something and see similar
things in the movie where somebody isprobably has probably had these experiences before too.

(56:24):
Yeah, felt that the best wayto talk about it, or to
share it with the world is tomake a movie and you know, hide
all that stuff in there, likelittle things that are that are said by
the characters, and names of planetseven that go back to the ancient world
there. It's little nuances that Ifeel like, you don't you don't it

(56:45):
has to be in hindsight at allthe triangle ships and do they have circles
on the bottom and you start tosee them and things like that under they
have beams on the surface and thingslike that. I've seen this on some
of the programs. Was over hereactually, but people have taken my model
and they've started to reproduce it andshow it in UFO documentaries on Netflix,

(57:09):
which is nice, I guess forthem to copy mycraft. And right before
we get towards the end, Ijust want to something which is really odd.
You might appreciate this, but tenI've never talked about this before because
it's only just happened. Actually,so my wife was with me at the

(57:30):
time, we're no longer together,but we're still good friends. So we're
separated and now I'm remarried. Somy latest wife does not believe in UFOs
and aliens, but she's got agreat sense of you. She doesn't mind
me getting involved with it, andshe's always winding me up, like you
know, saying all that UFO willbe said, I got that sky light
in the sky and all that.So about two weeks ago, she works

(57:53):
nice, she works in a carehome. She came home early three o'clock
in the morning. She drove throughthe town of Hinklin. Now we live
in Barwell, which is a villagejust outside of Inkley. There's a little
bit of countryside in between the two. So she's driving along at three o'clock
in the morning, there's no othertraffic around, and she passes a tree.

(58:15):
She sees what looks like a lightgets switched on. Then as she
comes out from the clearing of thetree to the low hedge, she stopped
the car and there was a triangle. She showed me the distance she thinks
it was away, which I reckonis about two hundred yards, and she
said it was huge and it wasthe height of two houses, and it
was completely white. It was sobright that it lit up the farmer's field

(58:39):
below, and she thought to herself, this is one of them triangles.
Collins was on about and just gotscared and drove off came back home.
The funny thing was she came inthough it was three in the morning.
You did wake me up when shecame in, But she forgot to tell
me about it. If she'd havetold me there and then I would have
gone straight out in the car becauseonly got a mile away. It wasn't

(59:00):
until the next day when she's seena report about UFO she goes, Oh,
I forgot to tell you last night, I've seen one of your triangles.
Now, how weird is that?Now? What is the chances of
that occurring? I reckon, it'spretty slim. The chances of seeing a
UFO of any sort is pretty slim. But to see a triangle so close,

(59:21):
when I've been banging on about themfor twenty five years, it's almost
like a message. Now, alot of people listening to this might think
that's I've made it up. Iknow, Philip, my agent wanted me
to do a press release to saythat my wife had seen a triangle.
But I was thinking, well,people are not going to believe this because
it just seems too real that thatwould occur. But it did occur,

(59:45):
and that it's got me wondering whyI can't believe again it was just a
coincidence. I mean, it's justincredible. I don't know why that has
occurred unless it's just too She obviouslynow believes in and it makes my life
a bit easier. Yeah. Yeah, I mean even just for that,
just to support you and your workand less stress and know that you're supported

(01:00:07):
in your household, for sure.That does a lot, even just for
you sharing your story and you know, being encouraged for sure. So I
mean she's down cooking dinner at themoment while so I'm here chatting away.
So she's obviously knows what I'm upto, and she's quite happy with it.
I just it makes you think,are you being monitored? How they're
watching? You know? Is itmore to this? I don't know.

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Yeah, the whole subject is sostrange. Yeah, well that's for me.
That's the powerful thing about it thatyou know, it makes you wonder.
It doesn't make everybody wonder that.If you wonder that and That's the
I think the the important part foryou to wonder and then to go out

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and ask and maybe live your lifelike you're being watched. What would you
do if you were? And andif you know they're watching you, how
about you watch them? Go out? I know you're out there. Where
are you? You know that kindof thing and what happens? I mean,
have you looked into that phenomena atall, that the C five and

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five? No? No, Ihaven't, no, but I do remember
in the early days, and I'doften see lights in the sky and they'd
be stopping and turning through ninety degrees, so I know it wasn't normal,
and that would often occur after I'vebeen watching some UFO videos or DVDs,
getting immersed in it, and thengoing out the back to have a cigar,

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as I used I don't smoke anymore, but I'd go out and then
I'd see something moving in the sky. I even bought camcorder to try and
record these things. Remember one I'mwatching this star coming cross and I thought
it was a satellite. It's comingacross, and it stopped, turned through
ninety degrees. I got my camerawith pull the camera gone just like I
thought, he going crazy. He'susing the plot here and I had to

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calm myself down. No, No, I did see it. I know
it was there. But yeah,one another one they're in the book.
A big ball of orange light insidea cloud over the park, a really
wet, damp night. I've beento a UFO conference enough and I'll just
come back. It's on Sunday nightagain. I went to get the camera

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and this time and I picked thecamera up, I thought to myself,
Oh, no, what's going tohappen. It's going to go. Sure
enough when I got back to thewindow gone. So it makes you wonder,
like if you have a close encounterin the future, If anybody listening
to this Caesar Craft, I thinkthe first thing to do is to enjoy
it and just look at it andtry and take the detail in. I

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think if you get your phone outto take a picture, it's going to
go. If you get a picture, people won't believe it. It'll probably
be distorted anyway. So yeah,enjoy the moment is what I would say.
That's so true. I mean Itried to do the same thing early
on, having an awesome sighting,and then here I go try to run
to get my phone, and thephone's not good enough to even record the

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stars and stuff anyway, and it'slike, you know, you're kind of
jumping out of the experience and it'sgone versus just I mean, even now
I'm actually catching stuff on camera now. But I think for the most part,
I kind of know what to lookfor in which areas to film and
things like that. But but itis about being in the moment and then
you want to always go get thephone. It was actually a big,
big learning thing for me, andI've been in this for a long time

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too, and it's just something recentlyI've been able to get my phone in
film and then really go back andedit footage too to see if you if
there's even anything, just because Iknow kind of nuances and stuff to look
for, and then how to editlights so that you can see objects that
are cloaked to the naked eye anyway. Yeah, yeah, there's that.

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Yeah, yeah, But have youlet me ask you this before we go
with all the stories and all theresearch too, have you seen or heard
of any any I know you sayyou haven't seen, but possibly videos any
of them that are like square orlike rectangle like with with those with those
right angles, like any types ofship or any anomaly like that. Yeah,

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I've seen quite a few like that. I've got a good doing in
the book. Actually a triangle thatguy witnessed and when he looked up underneath
it in searching inside it was anothertriangle, the smaller one which I've got
the lights on. There was alsoa rectangular shaped UFO that was also trapped
underneath of the last triangle. Andfunnily enough, only a couple of days

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ago, I was readingally Pored.I can't remember where I got it from.
And this guy had seen a triangleover her house as a woman who
saw it, and she phoned thewoman up in the house and she didn't
know that there was a triangle aboveher house. While she was watching it,
it transformed itself into a square,So it went from a triangle to

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a square. And I've heard thatonce once or twice along the way.
Yeah, I do believe there arethese square objects floating around out there.
Mm hmm. Wow. Man,thank you for your work, and if
you if you if you have anymore encounters or you want to come back
on here and talk, I'm openanytime. If you can't if you have
any new hypothesis. I mean,that's the big thing too. What is

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who are they? And what dothey want? Right? And that doesn't
even when you're talking about having thisyou know, telepathic communication kind of thing.
Your dreams get pretty interesting. Yourdream always been. My dreams have
always been very interesting, you know, full color for long. I've even
managed to take control of the dreambecause I've figured out I was dreaming.

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It takes a bit of doing attimes, and then I know, doing
some of my dreams, I've testedmyself. So I have jump off this
cliff. Now I'm going to bea while because I'm dreaming. No,
I thought, well that is ifI'm not dreaming, you know, a
little back to way. So yeah, I've always had plenty of bib bely
dreams along the way. Well,I guess before we go, I mean,

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what is it? Who are they? You know, like it's I
believe from my own research, wehave we have grays, obviously, the
smaller grays. I think there weresome taller grays. There's Nordics, reptilians,
and at the top of the treeseemed to be the pray mantus type
aliens they seem to be the onesthat are in charge. And I believe

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the dimensional that's as much as Iknow. I mean, I don't know
which dimension. It might be severaldimensions that they're coming from, but that's
what I truly believe on hundred percent, that these are dimensional beings. And
I think they've always been around.There must be several parallel universes running alongside
our Own'd be fascinating to see,wouldn't it if it popped over to their

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dimension? Would they have the sameplanetary systems and milky ways and things that
we've got on our dimension. Oh, it's incredible, isn't It's incredible?
It is it is, And Iponder I think our gaze, I study,
I do all of it, andand it's so beautiful. I feel

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like there's not enough hours in theday when it comes to this, you
know, the majesty and the aweand the wonder about all of this stuff
in this subject and what it's donefor my life, and obviously what it's
done for you and many of ourlisteners people listening, they've they've had very
similar experiences and uh, and Iknow your work's helping them so much.
Yeah, I hope. So yeah, I mean without my experience, I'm

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freaking out a bit. So Iwish I could have got a book like
the one that I've produced and readthat that would have calmed me down.
So if the's anybody out therese hasan experience and they're a bit on their
own and they want some something toread to calm them down, and my
books do the job. So where'sthe best place to get it? Would
be Amazon? Amazon. Yeah,it's available on Amazon. It's on them.

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It's on a kindle, hard backs, soft back and audiobook. Is
so Triangle UFOs in the United Kingdomby Collins, I wonders. I can't
believe I've actually written a book aswell. So that's how much this subject
is has influenced me too to getinvolved. There's no way I can leave
it alone now actually, so yeah, yeah, right, I've got the

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book. I've done what I'm goingto do. Maybe maybe maybe there'll be
another one that's Carlin. Thanks somuch for hanging out with me, man,
it was a good, good conversation. Thanks for sharing your story.
Yeah, I didn't do it again. Incredible as it says, it's all
true, Derek. I hope yourlisteners enjoy it, so thanks for having

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me on. I've really enjoyed it. Yeah, we'll have to do it
again. Thank you, Thank youyou take care.