This Man Summoned a UFO Using a Pentagram – And It Answered - ALIENS ARE REAL! | UFO and Alien Contact

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I'm going to be speaking that David Curtis about his
UFO encounters and got some really interesting information on how
it ties into spirituality in the occult and things like that,
and so I think they go hand in hand. I
think they're good for the most part. You know what
I'm saying that when we talk about having an agenda,
that's maybe that's an agenda. You know, those are my experiences,

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my encounters. Other people have had similar encounters. But then again,
we've had other people on the show, such as Carrie
Cassidy and some other people who say, wait, these things
may not be as pleasant or as good as we
think that are, or want them to be. For that matter,
I think I want them to be the saviors. I
think I want them to be the ones that are
watching over us and have been here since the beginning,

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us from Australia, Is that right? Brother from England. The
accent right, Welcome to the show Man.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yeah, thanks, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
So I guess after I did those interviews with Kerry Cassidy,
I guess you find out my work and seeing what
I do, and reached out to me wanting to be
a guest, and showed me your material some of the
other interviews that you've done, and I kind of went
in and were just skipping around throughout the interviews because
it's a lot of material there, and I went right
to the place I needed to go, talking about the

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White Room and the UFO encounters and things like that,
and I thought, now, I haven't listened to the the
entirety of it, but I thought that it sounded mostly
like pleasant experiences, that it was something that maybe is
welcomed versus being something of negative or being tormented or
something like that. If you want to set that up
of kind of go into some detail, I'm interested to

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hear the whole story, man, at some of these encounters
that you've had.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Okay. So I was born in March the first, nineteen
forty five, at the end of the World War two,
and I was living in Oxford, and I was brought
up in a non religious house, so things like good
and evil, God's soul, Jesus, they didn't mean anything to me. No,

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So there was no interiority, you know, there was nothing inside.
And my parents they just lived and they died and
that was it, really. You know. They weren't materialists, they
weren't atheists. They were just ordinary people working ordinary jobs.
But they had no interest in religion. That was the
society they were brought up in. So anyway, at the

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age of four, I'm lying in bed and I see
some flickering lights by the ceiling and I'm kind of
fascinated by them, and I feel my body is expanding
into the room, so it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
I get a bit freaked out and put my head

(08:28):
under the pillow and I see these entities running around.
So that sounds like a typical abduction. I have no
memory of an abduction, but something strange was going on
with myself, and maybe that was the beginnings of some
kind of inner world, you know, and inner world that

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was not in my family. And I never told my family,
and I wasn't particularly frightened, so I didn't tell my
parents about it. So then I move on to fifteen.
I joined my sister who's married to an American in Portsmouth,
New Hampshire. So I go over there, I go to

(09:09):
high school and he's just come out of the Air
Force and he's a lab technician in the local hospital,
and he gets me a job in the Air Force base.
While I'm working in the Air Force base. This is
nineteen sixty one in the fall, and right when I'm

(09:30):
working there, the most important UFO abduction case is being
investigated right at that moment in that particular Air Force base,
and it's the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. And John
Fuller wrote a book called The Interrupted Journey in about

(09:51):
nineteen sixty seven. So I'm at a place that's very strategic.
It's the first major abduction. In the fifties, they called
it contact Tee, so like Georgia Dampski would say, you know,
he's a contact with Venus. But since Betty and Barney Hill,
it became abduction. So that was like I had this

(10:15):
four year old thing and then it's kind of like
you tick another box. It's like suddenly I'm right at
the center. You know, there's a maneuver like on the
chessboard and I'm maneuver to go over to America. I
believe it's all orchestrated. I believe that it's a what
I call a meta programming by alien intelligence which I

(10:40):
have contact with, direct contact with, And I didn't know then,
of course, but looking back, I can see that, Yeah,
my life, I haven't been the mover of my life.
I haven't been the kind of ego center that's in control.
I'm just kind of following. I'm not far orders. In fact,

(11:01):
I feel very free. I feel very liperated person. I
feel that somehow I'm kind of receptive and adaptive. And
I've been to India, I've been all over. I've lived
in about fifty different places.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Right, So is it let me ask you this, So
is it this inward? Is it this inward knowing? Like
because you said you don't feel forced, It's like you
know in your heart of hearts, that there's this divine
purpose that you're here for, there's this part of your journey,
and if you submit to it, amazing things begin to happen.
Your life begins to be orchestrated by essentially the hand

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of the divine. Or you can kind of step away
and say no, no, I'm not going to entertain that.
I'm just going to do what I want to do.
That's the type, that's what you're talking about, correct, Yeah, right, I.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Can go into that. Well. At fifteen, my sister and
brother in law they go to California. I get kind
of a bad so I'm literally on my own in
fifteen sixteen, and I'm with an American family and then
I get a job in a summer camp and I
literally have no money and nowhere to go, so I've
got to literally ask people to look after me. So

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I get picked up by this American family and I'm
taken to New York to Poughkeepsie, which is about fifty
miles north of New York City on the Hudson River,
and I live with a family. The man is an
IBM person. He's an inventor and he's got many patents

(12:39):
on computers. And when I leave high school, he gets
me a job on the Apollo Rocket. So I'm doing
some basic work working on modules and microscopes on the
Apollo Rocket, and then I go to the State University
of New York at stoney Brook, Long Island near Manhattan.

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I'm into classical music, but there's a rock concert and
it involves the soft Machine and Jimmy Hendrix experience. So
my first kind of light opening into the rock scene
and the hippie scene and counterculture was Jimmy Hendrix. But
as I say, I went to the concert and for

(13:22):
whatever reason, I decided to drop out of college. And
I wasn't part of the counterculture. I wasn't aware of
hip is only like Jimmy Hendrix, but I wasn't aware
of the counterculture. And the guy, the young man that
I was like friends with in this IBM house, he

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had gone to Vietnam and he came back from Vietnam
and he had a really good Corvette, you know, super
Corvett car, and he said, you want to meet Timothy Leary.
And I didn't know about drugs or Timothy Leary, I was,
So he takes me out to this house. Timothy there
is only living about twenty miles away in Millbrook, and

(14:05):
I go out there. We drive into this big estate
and there's this big wooden house with psychedelics painted all
over the wood the house, and there's all these people
freaks out so they're just lying around quite free, and
we have a conversation with Timothy Leary, but of course
I don't know anything about Timothy Leary. So anyway, in

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the local paper, it shows Leary and some friends throwing
flowers at the policeman at the police station because they
used to raid the house all the time, you know,
for like drug set, rock and roll, that kind of thing.
So anyway, I'm in Poughkeepsie. I was married, I left

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my marriage, I left the university. I don't know anything
about UFO's spirituality or anything like that. And I get
this room and I just have a change of consciousness.
I don't know where it came from. It just like
took over. And I describe it as walking around the town.

(15:08):
And it was like a Gothic It was very Edgar
Allan Poe, very Gothic, very shadow world. I liked going
out in the evenings. I like going out before dawn
in the early morning. But I wasn't aware of magic
or anything like that. And things started to happen. I
started to meet people I would never have met if

(15:29):
I wasn't in that state. So doors were opening.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
So we on, yes, we're going. There was some kind
of hiccup.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Oh sorry, So doors were opening, and I end up
going to New Pole State across the river, across the
Hudson River, and I start mixing with hippies, and I
get into that scene, the hippie scene, and in New

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about ten or so years later, David Wilcox goes to
New Pulse and the place I was at before Stoneybrook University,
Dan Burrish, and I think Project Hamlot interviewed Dan Burrish,
and he plays a major part in my life, not personally,

(16:21):
but what he revealed about the looking Glass, Yellow Cube,
the book to do with Oryan, and I get very
connected to Oryan and I'm given a cube in the vision,
so it links in with where I was at the
university with Dan Burrish and then later with David Wilcox.

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I meet a friend in Oxford and he's the world
He's now the world scholar on Youwungen synchronicity. So I've
got synchronicity coming in with David Wilcox and the UFO
at Stoneybrook with Dan Burrish. So it's like setting the sea,
if you will. So I'm living in Upos and I

(17:06):
come back to England and I go off to India
and I spend some time with Alama there in the Himalayas,
and I can kind of quick forward to nineteen seventy
six when I'm in Oxford and I'm living in the
house of Lawrence of Arabia, and above my window is

(17:32):
a blue plaque. And they put blue plaques on houses
where very famous people live, and that was Te Lawrence,
Lawrence of Arabia, and that was nineteen seventy six, seventy seven. Well,
in that year, a very famous euthologist, John E. Mack,
who wrote a book called Abduction from Harvard University. He

(17:56):
wrote a definitive book, a biography of T. E. Lawrence,
Lawrence of Arabia. The very year I was in that house,
and that's where I had my first UFO experience.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
What was that like, your first encounter?

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah? Right, So I'm in a dark room. I'm looking
out of the window in the dark room, and I
see this light above some trees in the garden. I
have no knowledge of UFOs. I haven't seen any movies
on UFOs, so I'm really I don't even know it's
a UFO. It's just a light in the sky. So

(18:34):
I'm sitting there in a very deep state, and suddenly
the light penetrates through my left eye. There's no light,
there's no beam from the light, but I know the
light goes right into my left eye, into my brain,
right into my psyche, and I'm very surprised. I don't

(18:58):
know what it is. I'm very interesting did and it
moves to the right, so it's going from the left
eye to the right eye, and I think, you know,
I wonder what's going on. It's very deep experience. It's
slightly troubling, but I'm not really that frightened. And then
it goes back to the It was going to go

(19:19):
back to the left eye, and I knew something radical
was going to happen to me, so I kind of
like got up and drew the curtains, and I felt
like it was trying to move me into a hypnotic
state and maybe take over. And just like in my
four year old experience, although I was expanding into the room,

(19:41):
I stopped the process and put my head under the pillow.
And even when I've taken psychedelics, I've never let go
of my body. I've never what you call had an
authentic out of the body experience. I seem to shut
down the process. And that's always been the case when
whenever I've been confronted with I don't know what it is,

(20:04):
but I've had contact with a certain kind of power.
It's not it's an invisible power. I'll go into that.
It's an invisible power, and I haven't given it a name.
I don't know what it is. I have never given
it a name, and I link it to UFOs. But
this power, it's like coming into the room and you

(20:25):
don't want to connect with that power. You know it's there,
but you don't want to know what it is. You
don't want to because it really is power itself if
you want to know. It's like if you take all
the concepts of power, political power, power of the ego,

(20:50):
power of science, power of technology, even power of UFOs,
if you take all of that and put it into
an essence and call it a power that has no name.
In the Gnostic tradition they call it the Unknown Father.
In Tibetan Buddhism, they call it the One Mind. In

(21:12):
aage in Egypt, they call it Foth or the One.
It's the one. It's the emptiness. I've actually entered that now,
I've actually been into the emptiness. But it's not the
power itself. It's a reflection of that power. It's not
the power beyond the body and the grave, it's not
the power beyond the planets, but it's the same power.

(21:34):
But it's like the moon reflecting the sun.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Wow, that's exactly what I was thinking as you're speaking, right.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Good, because I've got a very important information about the
moon recently revealed to me, and about the moon and
the Earth and the matrix. But anyway, so I'm in
the room, I have this experience. It penetrates into my
interior life. It's scanning my memory, it's scanning my personality.

(22:01):
It's intrusive. It's a very profound experience. But the end
result is I don't feel it was bad. Although it
was very intrusive, I don't feel like it didn't It
wasn't meant to make me feel that I didn't want
further experience.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Did it feel good? Was it euphoric at all? A
lot of people talk about having those similar encounters or
even though they're strange, otherworldly, it's euphoric. You feel relaxed,
you feel like you've had soma or something, right like,
did you feel that at all? Was it intoxicating?

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Well? Not the first experience wasn't, but I can. That's
seventy six, seventy seven. And as I said, links in
with Johnny Mack at Harvard. Well, you see, Timothy Leary
was at Harvard and Ramdas Richard al but he was
at at Harvard, and they both visited the Lama that

(23:04):
I visited in the Himalayas near to Beth.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
So you just lay right behind them, maybe, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
That's exactly right. So if I go forward to nineteen
eighty four in Oxford, and I call it the Powerhouse,
and I'll go into the power I call it the Powerhouse.
You go through the door, and there are two black pillars.

(23:30):
It was owned by a college in Oxford and this
lady that rented out rooms and I had a garret.
I had a garret with a big window at the
top on the roof, and I looked over the valley
and the hills in Oxford, and I call it my powerhouse.
And there were two black pillars. But I had no
knowledge of occultism or magic. I was getting into that

(23:52):
a little later with a lot of people in the
Golden Dawn and Crowley, but I didn't think anything of it.
You go through the black pillars. So through my life,
I have the spontaneous feeling to open up the curtains
or look out of the window. It's just a spontaneous feeling,

(24:14):
and I might contact UFOs. So this is my first contact,
my second contact with UFOs. So I open up the
curtains and I just had this feeling to look to
my left, there's a light. Look to my right, there's
a light in a gray sky. So it's a gray sky,
two lights. I write this play about two UFOs in dialogue,

(24:36):
and it's as if the UFOs are thought forms having
telepathic conversation. I'm so freaked out by that manuscript. I
literally throw it away. I don't even get into it.
I'm so freaked out by it. And I liken it
to like, if you're in the house with two spies
from m I five or CIA and they're talking about

(24:58):
very important information. You don't want to know that now
if they know you've got it, it's important, powerful information.
And I was tuning into very powerful information. And maybe
I was meant to do it, but I didn't feel
I felt it was overpowering, you know, like I was

(25:19):
tapping into some power that freaked me out, just as
it is as a child. The next thing that happens
is that I'm sitting and it's in the daytime. I'm
looking over the hills and I feel this energy coming
over the hill. I can't explain. It's a sunny day

(25:41):
and it's just this energy that I call power. That's
why I call it the powerhouse. It's this power that
has no dimensions. I can't tell you what it is.
I just know it's this power and I don't know
what's happening. I'm looking at the hill and it comes

(26:01):
over the hill. I can feel it coming over the hill,
getting closer. It's coming across the countryside, and I knew
that when it touches that house, it would wipe me out.
So again I'm having that feeling of being taken over.
But this power, I didn't see anything. I didn't have
anything in my mind. But it's hard to explain. It's

(26:23):
just this invisible presence.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I mean, what do you feel like though? Is that
the euphoria when it comes? Is it a good thing
or is it scary and good? I mean.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
No, it's like when I was a child. It's quite simple.
It's like you don't want to do it. Somebody says,
if somebody says, get on my motorbike, I'm going to
go one hundred miles an hour. No, no, I'm not
going to do that, you know. And it's kind of
like that. It was kind of a it was quite simple.

(26:56):
It's just like a choice, you know, like when I
was Oh, I didn't have to do it. So, no,
you're offering this power, you're offering to take me on
this trip out of my body. I'm sorry, but I
don't want to go your land, you know. And I've
had UFOs within ten feet of me, so I've had

(27:17):
an opportunity to connect, but.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
You've never You've never had like the physical like get
on board or nothing like that, but you felt like
you could have.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Right, let's put it this way. I think there's a
reason why I don't want to be taken over. It's
to do with independence. Is to do with freedom. It's
to do with maturing and getting integrity, getting my own foundation,

(27:53):
getting my own strength. Now, throughout my life, I've made
contact with a lot of famous people, a lot of
powerful people, gurus and pop stars and all that I've
made contact with. I've had a chance to be published
by Oxord University press at the highest level. I've never
accepted any of that. I was I could have been

(28:16):
in the number one video on the top level television
in this famous like pop artist. Right this woman wanted
me to be her mat man in her video. I
didn't do it. So there's some level of power. There's
some level of power that's not only invisible from another planet,

(28:37):
from another dimension, but there's power in the world. It's invisible.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
You know.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
You can think of politicians, and you can think of
very rich people, very the illuminaty, the movie Jakers, my Friends,
the world scholar, he goes around all around the world.
He's you know there, it's like a think tank. I
mean it's on a very high level. But you see,
I don't want that.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
What about for good though? Using it for good? We
mentioned the Illuminati. I mean they just released a video
like two days ago of one of the biggest pop
stars in the world right now, a guy called the Weekend.
Somebody was filming his set and on the screen behind
him it flashed the word Satan really fast and they

(29:24):
had to record it and they freeze framed it, and
so it's like they are getting power. There's a power
out there. You can use it to tap into it
for good or for bad, but you have to kind
of pay homage to a god or a thoath or
look at you know, we look at the people who've
kind of went before us, so we're talking about Crowley

(29:45):
or these type of people. But I think it could
be definitely used for bad. I think that's the most
what we see going on the Illuminati and things like that,
seats of power. But I think it could be used
for good too, like if we follow that intuition, that
spiritual guidess. Because and I linked that to this because
a lot of what you're talking about sounds like the

(30:06):
Pranayama spirit that's just permeating through all life, the Kundalini,
the Holy Spirit. It sounds very much like this. In
these encounters that people have had with the awakening of
the Kundalini. The baptism of the Holy Spirit feels like
this intense fire. There's a fear there, but it's a
good It looks over their life, knows everything about you,

(30:31):
loves you, it's okay. It cleans out all the wrong
and and sets you on that life journey. And it
sounds very similar to That's why I have to bring
this up with the UFO experiences, because if we're to
me the UFOs are the angels of the Holy books,
that's just the angels of the creators. What would you
say to that.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Yeah, well, in Yungian, in Yungian psychology, you know, we
have a body, there's a spirit, and there's the psyche
right where we dream and have visions and out of
the body and psychedelic. It's all of that. Now, that's
not necessarily the dimensions. You know, the spirits are dimension,

(31:13):
the bodies are dimension. But the psyche what they call maya,
the illusory body. They say it can be like a
size of a sesame seed, just a seed, or it
can expand to fill the universe, like the Atma and
the and Brahman and the Atma. So in a sense,

(31:34):
the psyche is in the one sense nothing and everything. Right.
So if in the psyche you meet entities, right, you
meet entities. Now, they could be UFO entities, they can
be angelic, they can be Satanic. And I've met quite

(31:57):
a priety. I've met hundreds of entities. I've never spoken
to them or anything like that. So I'm in this powerhouse.
I wake up in the middle of the night. I'm
looking at my body and above my body is a
figure lying above my body, and it's the devil. Right,

(32:20):
so it's Satan. Now in the in Steiner Rudolph Steiner Anthroposophy,
he talks about the Guardian of the Threshold. I see
it as the Kundalini, right, So it's the awakening of
the Kundalini. But it's Satanic. It has a dark force.
So they call that Karli, the black goddess Carli. But

(32:43):
it's lying above my body, and I think it's a
beautiful looking being, right, it's a beautiful looking being. And
so if it then I have another experience. I'm I'm
lying in bed. I'm not awake. I'm aware of myself

(33:04):
as a fetus. I'm lying in the fetal position, and
a hole appears in the top of my head, and
my perception goes out of the hole at the top
of my head and I see it. I see like
a sea of infinity, like blue and white waves going
off into infinity. So I see that as the reptile.

(33:30):
In fact, lizards and reptiles have a third eye. You
can't see it's atrophid. It's there, it's there in the
third Eye. So in the ancient world, everybody worshiped the dragon,
and that symbolizes the third Eye, but it also symbolizes Draco,
the pole star in Draco, because that's your guide start.

(33:51):
So when you travel by sea in the ancient world,
everybody worship the dragon because that was your guide in
the heaven. So when you look you travel by sea
or you travel, you're always looking for the pollstar in Draco.
Now in the UFO community, you know, the Rectilians have

(34:14):
got a bad press. I've never had that particular point
of view. Now. The point is that when I had
my first awakening in Poughkeepsie and I dropped out of college,
and I felt I was in this different kind of
dimension in the city, different dimension that there was a

(34:39):
terrible aspect to that. It was a very very terrible aspect,
but as you say, it was also euphoric. It was
like double edged. It was like good and evil, it
was like ying and yang. So there was like a
terrible thing and yet at the same time it could
switch to something really you forhic, really ecstatic. So I've

(35:04):
always had that polarity in my set south where you know,
I don't take sides I don't like to take sides
in politics. I don't like to take sides in the
alien agenda, the conspiracy theory. You know. I like things

(35:25):
to happen to me good or bad. I take the
rough and the smooth. I don't kind of like shy
away from anything. I've gone very deep into things in myself,
and I feel that's the fabric of the psyche. That's like,
these entities are really Maya. And I'm afraid that a

(35:47):
lot of what people think about the UFO and entities
is really you might say, thought forms and there they're
both revealing something to you, and yet they're not to
be taken seriously. They're not the reality that they're not.

(36:08):
They're not really to be confused with spirituality. Spirituality is
one thing that the spirit and nirvana and whatever, and
and I think that people are taking sides like reptilians
versus ordin that kind of thing. But I treat the angelic.

(36:31):
I treat that kind of thing as entities who are
who are revealing. They're bringing something to you, to reveal
something to you, and you've got to weigh things up.
You've got a kind of like wait, weigh the good
and the evil. You've got to like, you know, like
the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. You've
got to kind And it says the tree is to

(36:53):
be desired to make you wise, and the serpent is
your guide. In the Gnostic tradition, the open is your God.
If you look at the dow. If you look at
the dow, which is the way, that is the dragon path.
That is actually called the dragon path because it's Draco.
It's your garden loads star, it's your load star. And

(37:16):
in England we call them lay lines. Okay, I lived
on the lay line. When I had my first UFO
experience in Oxford, it was on the lay line. It
was on a dragon path.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
So let me ask you this. When it talks, when
you're talking about being contacted by the UFOs, are you know,
getting that intuition to go look out the window and
there they are. I've had I've had very similar encounters
looking look up to the sky, you acknowledge that they're there.
They kind of like wave at you, and then they're gone.
And then there's a download, there's a knowing, there's an intrigue,

(37:57):
there's an r and I think that promotes spirituality for me.
I talked about it a little bit on carry show
on Project Camelot, where creativity like that it lights something
within you and even the God thing for me, Like
there's some people who the existence of aliens or our
creators or these entities that are out there that are

(38:18):
good watching over us or exist on other planes of existence.
To them, it kind of destroys their faith in God.
But for me, it makes it more real. It makes
it tangible that this isn't just a theory. These aren't
you know, these stories that were passed down, and God
isn't so far away that we can't interact with that realm.
But they are watching over us there in the outer space.

(38:40):
They can come in and out of our dimension. There's
so many layers to it, and so it builds my
intrigue and almost gives credence to the beliefs that I
have about spirituality, about God, about the ancient text, about
the Bible, those type of things. It all types kind
of fits in there. But so when it comes to
being contacted, and you said you've had open contact for

(39:02):
a long time, that's one thing that comes with these
experiences as open contact, And you mentioned being contacted, but
have you done the work on the other side, where
you go out in what was there's a term called
summoning UFOs. Have you ever went out and did a ritual,
raise your hands, did a prayer, whatever the case is

(39:22):
in contacted them and they have appeared to you.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah. Well, as I say that, my first nineteen seventy
six in Oxford. Then I had my second, which was
nineteen eighty four. And if I go forward to say
ninety four, I'm living in the north of England, in Lancaster,
and I decided to go out. It's freezing cold in
the winter. I go out and the constellation that's closest

(39:50):
to Britain that dominates the sky is a Ryan, right,
so I went out. I didn't know anything about Ryan
at that time. So I look up into the sky
and there's a Ryan. And just in the corner of
my eye, I see something near the roof of the house.
I look up and there's a red orb the size
of a basketball. So it's a red orb. It's about

(40:13):
ten feet away and it's like a microphone like mesh,
you know, like a like mesh kind of thing, and
it's just hovering there and it moves very slowly. Second
by second about fifteen feet and it just disappears. And
I moved from there for maybe a year. Later, I

(40:39):
moved back to Oxford for a short time to stay
with my nephew. He's just finished university in artificial intelligence,
so he's got a degree in artificial intelligence. He's got
this place in Oxford. I spend some time there with him,
and I decide to go out on the porch. So
I go out on the porch and there's this red

(41:00):
orb again, this sphere right in front of me, and
it's just hovering there. That's two hundred miles away from
the former one. And then I realize I'm being monitored, right,
So that's and that's connected to me looking at Orion
as well. I was actually spent time in the in

(41:22):
a room just looking at Orion before that happened, so
that would be that would be my fourth. Then then
I moved down south near London where I'm living now,
and I decided to do a UFO watch from my window.

(41:42):
So I opened my window and the Ryan's up in
the sky just above me. And what happened in the daytime,
my friend, my friend who was is a professor of
psychoanalysis and he's, as I said, world scholar on young
and synchronicity.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
He used.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
He went to Glastonbury, which is very a cult center
where the Arthorian legend is. When he was at Oxford University,
took a couple of years out and he got into
Crowley and he had the book Israel regard as Encyclopedia
of the Symbols of the Golden Dawn, that kind of thing.

(42:22):
So I looked into the book. Oh you know, I
looked into the book and I thought, well, I look
at a pentagram. I just thought i'd look at a pentagram,
and I thought, well, I think i'd draw the pentagram
outside the window. But when I had the thought to
draw the pentagram outside the window, I've never practiced anything
magical before. And I don't know why I did that.

(42:45):
I literally don't. But when I get the feeling to
do something like that, I just do it. So I
go outside and I drew this pentagram on the floor
in impastor. I think it was like a purple color.
So nine o'clock at night, I'm standing there and just
above me by the roof, only about twenty feet away,

(43:06):
these five UFOs come over in pentagram formation and they're
like very slow. They're like hovering just above my head,
and they're like five discs, and they were they they're
the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. There were golden
golden orange, so they were like discs that were golden orange,

(43:31):
and they seemed to be hovering just above my head.
They didn't have any dimension, so it just like a
kind of like pure light, and they seemed to be spinning,
and they just went in front of me and over
the pine trees and by the military base. So the

(43:52):
military base plays an important part in my life. I
had I was in my imports imports with New Hampshire
that was a military base to do with nuclear nuclear warheads.
And now I'm near a military base here and the

(44:12):
UFOs disappear near there, and it's on a hill, so
this is on a hill. So I move into the
place I am Now, I move from there to here,
and I'm sitting eleven o'clock at night, and five UFOs

(44:33):
appear near the castle. Because when I'm looking out now,
I can see the castle in my window, and these
five UFOs appear in a vertical formation. They one, two, three,
four five. I look at them through by binoculars, and
they look fairly solid, greeny kind of red, and then
they disappear one by one. And then this silver cylinder appears,

(44:54):
its big silver cylinder. And I look at the silver
cylinder and they could have gone into the silver cylinder
as a mother ship, but I don't know. And then
I watch it go down towards the ground. It goes
down towards the ground, and it disappears where the military bases.
It seems to go into the ground where the military base,

(45:15):
this silver cylinder. That was my last experience in two
thousand and eight. So you know, you've got to weigh
these things up. You've got to like take all that aboard. Yeah,
and you know, why are they doing? You know, you

(45:37):
think of what was the point of that? You know,
like I know about UFOs. Why wasn't something more revealed?
If you know what I mean? You know why? Why?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
That's why? Because all of the encounters you've had, You've
seemed like you've had a lot. I've had a decent
amount as well. That changed my life. I mean, I'm
doing this show, I'm suing this work now because of
these encounters. And you would think that you would have
more detail you would know the agenda, you would know
the names. That's why I always always question a lot

(46:14):
of the people who go on shows and they claim
to have it all figured out, like the information is
still slippery there. Like, I don't think like people like
you're talking about the war between the Draconians and the
Palladians and the you know, Orian Council of Light are
here to do this. People seem to have a lot
of info in for as much encounters that You've had

(46:35):
and I've had, I would feel like I could tell that,
you know, you're telling the truth. Some of these people,
I don't. I think there's a lot of people who
are just kind of making it up and they're selling
books and they're you know, they have an agenda there,
and it's hard to trust them. Do you feel like
that at all? Too? Without being without being without calling

(46:56):
names or trying to sound harsh, because maybe they do,
maybe they have had that kind of contact, But as
much contact as I've had, I don't. I can't just
take it and run with it, you know.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Well, you know, in university, I studied philosophy and comparative religion,
and I spent time in a Christian monastery. I met
Lama's I met Christiana Murty was quite a famous guru.
I had very important experiences with him on a kind

(47:32):
of transcendental level, etc. Now, the point is that you know,
where's the ground? The thing I ask in all of
this kind of phenomenon, where is the ground is? You know,
like you said, the Bible, is it Buddhism. But you see,
what we call religion is like a hijack. I see,

(47:57):
religion is a hijack of in Jesus, for example, Buddha
and Jesus, nobody knows the background. They appeared on the scene.
They came out of nowhere on the world scene, on
the world stage. Jesus at thirty the Buddha at thirty six. Right,
they just appear out of nowhere. And they have a

(48:19):
small following of family friends. It's interesting, both of them
had family friends and a few intimates. Right, So that
was their first little circle with family friends. So they
must have been in the vicinity of their home. Now,
it's interesting. There's a very famous yogi. The most famous

(48:41):
yogi of Tibetan Buddhism is Miller Reaper. And Miller Reaper
his father died and the uncle took over the property
and they just swindled the mother and the son out
of the property. So the mother sent him away to
be trained as a as a magician. And he was

(49:03):
trained as a magician, and he had the power to
bring hailstones. He could create hailstones. He and he hailed.
He hailed the house where his uncle was living, and
it just absolutely smashed it to pieces. I remember reading

(49:25):
that because at that very moment the hail came down
in the middle of the summer outside. Really it was wow, man,
it just came right down. Yeah, I would think so
Mimer Reaper. What he did was he gave up being
a magician. He came back to his hometown, he took

(49:47):
up residents in a cave, and then he became enlightened.
He became like he became part of a Buddha, you know,
part of the not the buddher, but he took on
the characteristics of the buddh. So I'm saying there's a
connection between you know, being grounded where your home is.

(50:10):
It's quite literal, you know, it's quite literal. You're not
with some like Christian Murty for example, and a lot
of these gurus, they create a set live in the
middle of nowhere, disconnected from everything, and live in this
fantasy world. It is a fantasy world.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah, it has no tangible power. It definitely is. It's
just theory grounded.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
It's not grounded in knowledge. It's not grounded in books,
is not grounded in study. Now all my experiences are
grounded in study. I studied everything going back to ancient Egypt,
and I believe I've discovered a kind of Egyptian template.
And it took twelve years, between two thousand and eleven

(50:59):
to two thousand and three to twenty fourteen, I published
nine books. I've published nine books, and they contained all
the knowledge I gained out of my life on this planet.
And I closed the book. So I no longer read books.
I no longer take in information. I've closed the book.

(51:23):
And now I'm learning to live. I'm learning to like live,
if you know what I mean. I lived, I lived
in the medium of knowledge. Now now I'm not saying
I'm trying to be wise, but I'm learning to be wise.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, to what's going on, Well, I think I'll kind
of look at it. I'm very similar situation where I
don't I don't do much reading either, like people send
me all types of videos and they want I've had
some some of Jordan Max's some of Jordan Maxwell's people
offer to send me extra and of hord drives like

(51:59):
for terriby to videos and documentaries and information. I don't
want it, like I'm I'm I'm kind of like you.
As far as like trying to and this is where
I put it, asking for wisdom on how to share
the knowledge that we've already studied. How can we bring
this into practical experience for ourselves and for people to

(52:19):
better the world around us. And so as far as
like digging and reading and studying and researches. Now, I'm
all for experience. I love having a spiritual encounter. But
as far as like just trying to dig to get
to the bottom of it, I've seen so much as
it is, So it's like asking for the wisdom on
how to share the knowledge. Is that does that ring true?

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Well? Yeah, I'll go into that now. Right, the world's
around us, what we call society, which I've never been
a part of. I've never played the game. I've never
played the game. I've never played the mind game right
of politicians, of people that run institutions, all of that

(53:03):
kind of stuff. You know, we're immersed in language, aren't we.
Consciousness is like language knowledge language. We're language, we're cultural entities,
we're human, we're selves. We're a self that's come into
a body. And what I call consciousness is like a toolkit.

(53:24):
It's a toolkit. There's a reason why we had this toolkit,
and you won't find that reason in a book, because
the book itself is the tool is the toolkit. So
everyone's got their language. In the family, you've got your
secret language. In the politics, you've got your subrowsa behind

(53:46):
closed doors, you've got the secret language in the Masons.
Everybody's got their secret language. Right, So the UFO, they've
all got their little pockets of secret language. Right. What
is the language? What? What is this language of the
human being? Now? See what I mean, we're moving outside

(54:08):
of what we think language is to what is language?
What are we supposed to know? We're here? You're here
for what one hundred years? Now, we've basically lived to
one hundred years? What are we here for seven billion people?
What on earth are we doing here to go to
the moon, to build an AI computer, to paint the

(54:31):
Sistine chapel to build the pyramids. No, we're not here.
I don't think we're here for that. That's a symbol
of what we're here for. But what are we really
here for? That's the wrapping. What's inside the wrapping, That's
what I'm trying to discover. That's what I'm trying to
open up.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Now, do you do you feel like this is some
type of testing ground? What are you seeing of right
and wrong? And trying to figure things out? And almost
like you know, the life of the life you live
determines the place that you spind eternity if you want
to call it that.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Well, you see, you can talk about the planetary faces
and calma and character and type. So we're all types.
I'm an artist, I'm a poet, I'm a philosopher. I
can be all those types, right, that's the entity. Reptilians
are types, Nordica type, all these types. They all embody,

(55:32):
language and knowledge, don't they. They're all sharing. They want
you to buy into that knowledge, buy into this knowledge,
by this brand, by this this right. And I'm saying
that people have their concept of a secret language. People
want to think they've got some real, you know, real language.

(55:57):
They mean what they say. They're telling the truth. They
really mean what they say. But if you don't have
the truth, how can you speak the truth? What is
the truth? No, So my question is I'm seventy three.
The other day my chest right question mark is at

(56:20):
my age? Now wisdom is true? If wisdom is truth,
what is that truth? And who's going to reveal it?
Ce entity? Or is there a Buddha in Jesus? You see?
Who were Buddha? Where did they come from? What did
they discover in their cave, in their temple, in their whatever?

(56:41):
And why did they come on alone? Why were they
alone when they came on the world stage. You know,
they appear to be alone, and yet immediately the family's
there and the few people are there. It's very interesting
kind of conundrum because they're coming. They're coming out of nowhere,

(57:02):
which means something. I think it like Nirvana. You know,
Nirvana is supposed to be empty, and yet you have
a diamond body. You have a diamond body, you have
a body of wisdom, the Darmakayah, and yet it's supposed
to be empty. And the Tibetan Buddhists say, nirvana isn't

(57:23):
the end? You don't just get enlightened and sit in
no man's land. That's only the beginning. You're you're a
free individual. You've dropped your karma, you drop your conditioning,
you drop your whatever, and now you can be a
free human being and travel the dimensions. That's what they say,
whereas a lot of Buddhists say, no, you get you

(57:46):
know Zen Buddhism, you get so tory and that's the
end of the journey. You've finished. But in Tibetan Buddhies
and you're only beginning with your body of wisdom. It's
not like you're at the end and you pack everything in.
You're only beginning the journey, which is eternity. So we've
got this paradox between infinity. We live in an infinite universe,

(58:13):
and yet we've got this concept of eternity, the circle,
the One, the unknown God, the invisible God, and that
power that I talked about. I did experience that I've had.
I've experienced that. I wrote it in my book The
One Mind three Months of being in satory emptiness, nirvana.

(58:34):
I have experience.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
After you've experienced that, you walk around with the heightened
sense of awareness. Right for some times, the things you see.
Like you said, you felt like you was in a
dream state, like that things were different. You looked at things,
they seem different in your consciousness was shifted. I've known
people who they would vibrate their bodies, would they would
get I think what they call in in the Hindu

(58:57):
tradition kreas where their body they would get these of
energy throughout the day in their body. I knew guys
in mid conversation which starts shaking, you know from an
encounter that they had a week ago, and they're still
vibrating off of that frequency from that experience.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Yeah, well that would be one of the seven chakras.
You see. But if you go out through the hole
in your head, you go out, then you're in this emptiness.
I mean, I looked how when I had that experience
of the thousand pedaled lotus, my perception what they call
consciousness transference in the Tibetan in the secret doctrine of
the Tibetans. And I looked how so I did see

(59:38):
the infinity, I did see something, and I came back in.
But where I am now, where I'm sitting in this
room now I had in two thy fifteen I had
a three month experience, and I used to I kept
a journal every day, a diary every day. And although

(59:59):
the world around me was the same, you know, like
just sitting in this room looking outside at the castle,
it wasn't the same world. But it wasn't the gothic world.
It wasn't the shadow world. It wasn't like the magical world.
It was it was like purity. It was like a

(01:00:21):
pure space, so that when I when I look at
the room now and the outside it's lit up, you know,
the light and the sky is all lit up, so
you have light and space. But this but being in
Satori Nirvana, it's not that space. It's not time and space.

(01:00:43):
It's around it. It's like it's like there's a different
dimension of space that isn't bound to time and space
and it and it doesn't have a limit, so it's
not like limited by the trees or the sky or
anything material. And that's that. That would be the same

(01:01:07):
as I experienced before what I called the power. You know,
so before I wasn't ready for the power, but it's
given it me in small doses. It's not the power
like Buddha was connected to the power.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
It's an expression of that power. Would you say that, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
Not a symbol, it's not in my psyche, it's not
in my.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
It's a lesser it's a lesser form like the Chicaina
with the Hebrews were called the chicaino glory. A tangible presence,
but not the presence itself, almost just like beholding a
piece of it. Like you said, talking about the reflection
of the moon and seeing that image, which is the
light of the sun expressed through the moon, and we

(01:01:51):
get we get that light and you walk with that
because many people say that if you was to go
directly to the supreme power, that you would surely die.
I mean, we look at the art at a Covenant,
which carried the presence of God, and if anybody touched
it who wasn't worthy, they would instantly die. I mean.
And even having that strong encounter from an expression of

(01:02:12):
the source was so profound.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
There's more, right, Yeah, So you know the concept of
the One in the Egyptian model, the concepts of the
one folth he's not in the universe. He's the grand
architect of the Masons. He's the grand Architect, right, So
he doesn't really exist as we call it in this universe.

(01:02:37):
He's not in existence, and it's just a principle called
the one. But you could say the one is nirvana,
it's the one mind. It's empty, it's nothing because when
you're approaching it through knowledge or cultural science, it really
is nothing. So what's what's been before the Big Bang
or nothing? But it's not nothing. Yeah, it's not nothing

(01:03:04):
compared to something. It's not the corollary of something. The
scientists want something else, don't they. They want to kind
of like the mind of God, you know, the god
gene what they call the god gene particle. Yeah, but
you see, Navana isn't that kind of nothing? It's not
that it's here right now. The nothing is actually here

(01:03:28):
right now. I'm talking to you, and I'm very much
in my consciousness using language, but I'm also aware of
that of the emptiness.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I think that's where meditation comes in. I think that's
where meditation comes in, that we are able to kind
of shut everything down and kind of go back to
that essence, get a glimpse of it, to kind of
take it with us, to kind of remind us who
we are, where we came from. One thing, I wanted
to talk to you about. Is the importance I think
of stargazing. You said that when you were having some

(01:04:00):
encounter stargazing, gazing into Orion, and then things would happen.
People ask me, you know, how do I have more synchronicities?
How do I get on the spiritual path?

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
What do I do?

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
The three things I tell them is begin reading literature,
reading books that are about people who have had encounters
like that or some of the information that's come before us.
I say, read, spend time in meditation and in prayer
to kind of reflect on what you're reading and touch
the divine, kind of get with that source of energy.
And stargazing, I always tell them stargazing. For me, that's

(01:04:36):
just like that communication. I've spent hours stargazing, and like you,
I've gazed into Orion and seen starships and seen entities
coming in and out of Orion, or just being focused
and then out of the peripheral other beings will come
into play and begin to see all of this stuff.
Just by simply quieting down and gazing at the stars.

(01:04:58):
There's something to that. Are you there, David, or did
you lock up? You might have locked up? Okay, okay,
so what would you say is the power of stargazing?
Are we making connection when we do that? I mean

(01:05:20):
that with the entities who dwell in that star system.
I mean what's going on when we gaze into Orion
or we gaze into you know what I'm saying, the ampliades,
and we feel energy, we feel downloads. I feel I've
been I've gazed so intently before. I felt like I
was being sucked out of my body in it. I
had to catch myself, you know, and it scared me,
it really did.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Yeah, I've had that experience looking. You know that there's
a meadow in Oxford Denies to go to this big
meadow and just lie down, and I felt I'd be
taken out of my body, which again you know, I've
not happened. It's not happened to me. I think it's
a matter of orientation, you know, if you're a spiritual

(01:06:02):
person that they call that that in gurd Jeff's term,
the guy called burd Jeff, he calls it the magnetic
center in alchemy, and you call it the loadstone. It's
a magnetic stone. And as I say, the pole stars

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are magnetic star. So you know, it's a ligne to
the Earth's apsis. It's a line there. So the very
first pyramid to step Pyramid, which a lot of my
works based on, have had certain things revealed to me.
But that's a line to the pole Star Draco. So
it's an alignment. It's like you're aligning, like the lay line,

(01:06:45):
the dragon path, the Tao being in the dow being, synchronicity,
what they call the law of correspondences, the sympathy of
all things. It's being intimate, you know, it's like feeling intimately.
You know, if you go for a walk and there's
birds and trees or your or people, you like, it's

(01:07:06):
an intimacy. I think that's a very important spiritual quality.
Is like intimacy, Being receptive.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
You know, connected, Yeah, connected is.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
It's vulnerable, being vulnerable as well. Because vulnerable you can
you think, if you're open to people, open to well,
you can be hurt because you're vulnerable and in a way,
you know, the terrible aspect of the Godhead, which is
the Numanus, the terrible aspect of the god Head. You know,

(01:07:44):
even the evil aspect is part of it is part
of the drama, you know. So I've never closed off.
You know, I've not dabbled or anything in magic in
that way, but I'm saying that when you're being intimate, yes,
you can be a bit afraid. Of course, you your instincts.

(01:08:07):
You're afraid, and you want a good experience, and you know,
you've got a whole kind of cornucopia of reactions. But
if you've got the right intention, if you've got the
right intention and you're building on something, there's got to
be something there. You've got to have confidence in yourself
that there's something there in yourself. You know, it's got

(01:08:31):
to be a place. Hasn't there a place you can
go to in yourself? And that's what meditation is is
in meditation is really a communion with the spirit. So
if you're in communion with the spirit, the world opens
itself to you. That's how I would describe it. I've

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never meditated myself, but.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
If you're stargaze and I think there's a form of meditation, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
Yeah, I'm saying if you you know, if you're an
artist and you go into the studio and there's a
blank canvas, Yeah, that moment, that's the nirvana, that's the
white room. In the way, that's the white square, nirvana, emptiness.
Have you got the have you got the energy, the courage,
the confidence to make a mark? You know? And like

(01:09:24):
the cave paintings, they went in there, didn't they And
they made the mark. They scratched and made the mark.
So I'm saying that, you know, being open and what
I would call the act of creation, that there are
always acts of creation. Synchronicity is u first, the acts
of creation. They're coming out of actual creation. They're coming

(01:09:47):
out of nothing, what we call nothing, which the scientists
don't believe in, but we know, we know it's real.
And once you've had one experience, then you've got it,
haven't you. Once you I've had one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
It's enough to start it. It's enough to get bit
by the bug. You get bit, the bug bites it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
Yeah, but once you've got it, it's not going to
go away.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
No, I don't think it ever.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Does.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Some people turn it off, you know, people that we
get busy. You know, things happen, consciousness shift, things change.
I don't. I wish I did, Like I wish I
still had as many encounters as I used to. It's
been a while since I've had a profound UFO encounter,
and I was at a place where I was having
them daily, like making contact daily. Now it's like I'm

(01:10:41):
reflecting on what the hell was it? Like what is it?
And uh, you know, and trying to talk to people
and stuff, and then the information and knowledge from the
research and even from the meditation or seeing the UFO.
It's not just about seeing something. I think people see
stuff all the time, but communicating with it, connecting with
it and getting downloads of information and energy. That's a

(01:11:04):
whole other level. That's a whole nother thing that we're
bringing to the table.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
And so.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
It's not about continuing to have the experience, it's about
dissecting it and what does it mean to you. I
think it's a I think it's a disservice just to
keep wanting more. I want another one. I want another experience.
I want to see something else. Like you've been privileged
to see so much, you have to do something with
the information. I mean there's people you know who like
chase after psychics and profits and stuff like that, and

(01:11:32):
I used to do that. Go to services where you
want someone to speak over you a prophetic word about
your life, and then the next week you want somebody
else to do it, and you're just chasing this versus
like or even with the psychedelic experience. You want all
of these psychedelic experiences, but you haven't done the work.
And the information that has come through, you have to

(01:11:53):
dissect it and apply it to your life to go deeper.
That's what's working for me. I've had those encounters and
I'm trying to make the changes in the adjustments to
my life. And when I do, the information that comes
through has been profound. It's been life changing. About like
you said, something, whether you want to call it God
or the universe or the ets or whatever, it's something

(01:12:15):
that's watching over us. It's communicating with us, and it
has an agenda or a path for us, like a
life purpose, to affect people, to bring about good, to
bring about change. And I've seen it in my own
life and I think it's very tangible and it's very beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Yeah, all right, So we're in the body, right, we're born,
you know, we're in a body. We don't have much
memory of what happened before. So we're in the body
and we're a self. So seven billion people with selves
in bodies, right, and we've got this tool kit consciousness.
The spirit doesn't connect through consciousness, the spirit connects to you. Right.

(01:12:56):
So the spiritual awakening is a commune, the one to
one communion, almost self to self in the Buddhist sets
Hindu sense, the small self with the big self. It's
self to self. That's what I'm saying. It never goes
away once that communion, once you've re established connection with

(01:13:16):
the source.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
The inward dialogue.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Yeah, wherever you've come from, as it were, into the body,
you've reconnected, and then consciousness has to do something about it. Right.
So you've got people that don't have that contact with
their self or there with God or whatever you want
to call it, and they live in consciousness, they live

(01:13:41):
in the matrix, they live in what the buddh Is
called conditioning maya. So they're chasing their own tail. They're
playing themselves. They're not playing an artificial robot chess. You know,
they're playing the game they're playing. They're really playing their
own mind game. They're playing their that aren't they playing

(01:14:02):
against themselves in chess? So we're all playing against ourselves.
And I'm saying that the spiritual awakening, the self to self,
the one to one isn't about consciousness. But we're here,
so we have to you might say, represent that communion

(01:14:26):
which is without knowledge. We've got to translate it into knowledge.
So we have what you call genius. So the genius
translates what he's you know, she's inspired to say, or
poetry or music. It's come out of nowhere and they

(01:14:47):
express it. And that direct kind of expression, that creative
expression is again like an act of creation. It's coming
out of nowhere. And what happens with the establishment, the authority,
the people that run the society I caught you know,
it's called cultural capital. They don't love music and love art.

(01:15:11):
They want the product, they want the brand to make
more money, hijack the creative artists. And they have patrons,
right so you you know, the Vatican's the patron in
the Renaissance. And then you've got like people, you know,
paying lip service. Well, I've never bought into that. My

(01:15:32):
art nobody has seen. Very few people have seen my
art because I'm not going to play that game, you know.
And like I'm on Amazon, I published my books on Amazon,
I put my pictures on Facebook and so forth and
so on, and show a few friends but I'm not
going to bow down to any authority that's going to

(01:15:53):
hijack the meaning of my life. You know, the meaning
of my life is the being content up with the spiritual,
to be creative and to be independent, to be free.
And I'm not going to play that game. I'm not
going to play against myself because when we play against ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
We sell yourself out. It's hard to get it back.
We look at look at Prince, look at his story man,
you know, and essentially what happened to him and him
changing his name into a symbol because they owned everything
that he put out, and they had, you know, they
they could approve or disprove songs, you know, and maybe
the stuff he wanted to put out, they wouldn't release it.

(01:16:34):
And that's happened with a lot of people having to
change their message or even selling their story to a network.
I mean, if we're talking about uthology, let's look at
the movie Fire in the Sky. You know, what's his name.
He sold his story and they totally misrepresented it and
it made it like a horror movie essentially, when it
was something in the end beautiful. And he's working he's

(01:16:56):
working out there now doing the circuits to a kind
of un do what that movie has done, you know, Yeah,
and they want to change it. So I talked to
James Gillilan too, and he's one who of who's out
there on the front lines of the contact the experiences
and initiating contact as well. And and he's been approached

(01:17:18):
to sell his story but he won't because they try
to put the horror bend on it. That genre set cells.
I mean, there's you know, I went and seen a
horror movie the other day, but it was good. There
was an awesome message in it about psychic abilities. I've
seen the new Insidious movie and uh took my daughter
to see it. It is horror because there's jump scares
and stuff like that, But as far as they did

(01:17:40):
a really good job in that movie of tying in
receiving messages from the other world, of being a psychic
and and being downtroded and abused by your parents and
laughed at, but still seeking after that. So there, so there,
like there's people now with that art and creativity, they're
still tying these beautiful messages in with the genre. I think.

(01:18:00):
I think like entertainment is so powerful. I do music
about my art and my experiences. I'm taking these really
delicate spiritual encounters and putting them in a song and
trying to articulate it in a way that it sounds
intriguing in it and it almost builds an altar or
a monument of these encounters that I've had and other people,

(01:18:24):
you know, well, I talk about reading, reading books and information,
listening to music that promotes this type of stuff, a
lot of stuff. So other people who are listening to
my songs about my encounters, they're finding themselves having these
encounters with UFOs and spirits and meditation and things like that.

(01:18:46):
So something with the synchronicity, everything ties together, you know,
once you start giving your attention to it, you start
noticing it and everything, and something's guiding you, something's leading
you to everything you're doing. Some people never realize as
that though. Some people are just on that study mode
and they never come to this inward knowing that it's

(01:19:08):
about spirituality, it's about treating others well. They just they
want knowledge, they want to have the information, but there's
no connection to the spirit realm there at all for them.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
Yeah, it's a matter of networking, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
You know, it's supernatural networking because you've.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
Got the may Tricks. I've never I've never seen the
may I don't watch films, but yeah, I've not seen
the may Tricks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
When you you know the concept.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
Yeah, but the obviously they're talking about the prison planet
and AI is something something.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Is kind of it's talking about Maya too, you know,
the veil of the you know, the unseen realm that
or this realm that we see is just a shadow
and it's just kind of not real. You know, it's
the world to come. That's uh, that's the real world.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Yeah, I mean, you know the things that we see
around us, what we call history and even the pyramids.
You know, again, it's a language. I mean, in the end,
everything in consciousness is a language, and everything's coded what
I call the symbolic code. And in the world when

(01:20:23):
we go to university and go to go to school
and all of that, that's one kind of code. There's
a propaganda and indoctrination and that kind of conditioning. And
so you've got that level of programming, which is what
we see on the television and what we call society.
But there's a meta programming like say the Bible, you know,

(01:20:44):
you've got a person Jesus and some people going around
in their local city or town or something like that.
And then you've got this secret code. You've got this
meta programming, this mythic, symbolic, magical language kind of in there.

(01:21:05):
And you know, looking at it, if you just look
at it, like the Bible or any other text, the
Book of the Dead, the Egyptian Book of the Dead,
it's just a riddle. It's like the riddle of the Sphinx.
I mean, it's just a very very com complicated, very
messy it's a very messy language. No, when you read

(01:21:26):
poetry in a way, it's not easy for the conscious mind.
When you read poetry, the contract you've got to switch.
You've got to go from the conscious mind, which is
like ego based and controlling everything. You've got to let go.
You've got to kind of go fall into the poetry,
don't you. You fall into the music, and you've got

(01:21:51):
to navigate. So there is a kind of secret code
within yourself. You can navigate this dark night of the
souldest matrix and whatever you want to call it. And
as I say, it's it's like my first memory, my

(01:22:11):
very first memory at two years old is looking at
a red fire engine, right, So my favorite toy was
a red fire engine. So my memory is just looking
at this red fire engine and somebody something revealed that
to me, and I interpret that as the chariot of fire.

(01:22:37):
So the fire engine becomes the charity fire, the charter
to five becomes the UFO. So at the age of
four years no, I have this seeming abduction. So I'm
saying that you know, your life story is encoded meta
program with mythology and symbol and magic, and it's making

(01:23:00):
the connection. You know, you could live your whole life
and not reflect on that level, but it's there. It's
actually there. You know, the flowers in the garden, or
maybe your father, like my father used to read detective
books and Cowboy, you know, that kind of American pulp fiction.
You know, it could be anything that contains this symbolic

(01:23:27):
knowledge for you. And yet you could live your whole
life and not realize that something in your front room
when you were a child, or some person you met
or someplace you went to there was something telling you something,
but you just didn't see it. You just didn't like listen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Yeah, that's that's that's so true. That's a fear, and
I think that's that's what you always want people to
experience what you haven't experienced, an encounter. You want everybody
to know what you know. I mean, just look at vegetarians,
Look at vegans. You know, they've got the answer. They
found the antidote, and then they're gonna go around and
tell everybody everyone and proselytize. And even with you know,

(01:24:10):
Christians or any type of religion, you're gonna go out
and say, hey, I have the truth. You need to
know this what I know. And so essentially what we're
doing just kind of having this conversation sharing the stories.
For many people that already rings true, they've already had
that inward knowing, that self reflection. And for those who haven't,
it's available. We're just letting them know that it's there.

(01:24:32):
And it's just sad that that people never encounter that.
I mean, I have family members who you know, who've
had a hard life. You know, I've had a hard
life too, but just to see them still continue to
go on that path, that destructive path, when the path
of goodness is there too, like this self realization, learning

(01:24:55):
from your mistakes, learning from the mistakes of others. All
of it's there, but some of them will never experience that.
That's sad to fathom. It's sad to think of. I
do believe in and happy endings. I do believe that
we could be happy and experience that, and I want
that for everyone. But David, I appreciate you coming on
the show hanging out with me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Do you want to share your links where people can
contact you? I don't. I don't know if you have
a website, but you've got a lot of interviews that
you've done. You're also active on Facebook and things like that.
If you want to share your links out.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Yeah, I've got a YouTube channel and you can get
I think I've got about nine nine a playlist of
nine now on my YouTube channel. I'm on Facebook and Amazon.
My books are on Amazon and my and my email

(01:25:48):
is David dot sr dot Curtis at outlook dot com.
And you know you can find me in those places.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
David. I've enjoyed hanging out with you, brother. Well let's
do it again soon if we can.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
Man, Okay, nice seeing you all right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Thank you, Bro? Yeah, I see you, Bye bye bye,
David Curtis. Ladies and gentlemen. Awesome, good stuff. Enjoyed that
conversation a lot when we're talking about that stuff. Man,
just I think just talking about those those experiences, those
encounters and stuff like that, I think that it's part

(01:26:28):
of what initiates it. We're talking about people who want
to have those encounters in their life. We're talking about
how do you do it stargazing. There's something that's that's
connected there. Thank you guys for hanging out with me.
I'm gonna try to get to some of these questions
here in the chat room. Phone lines are open. If
anybody wants to call in, feel free to use that
technology that we have. But let's see. So Ray asked

(01:26:52):
me a while ago, I did see that come by
in the chat. You asked me if I've ever done
Steven Greer's meditation.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
It's a good meditation. We used to do that CE
five initiative meditation before going out to stargates and trying
to make contact. We'd kind of get in that heightened
state of awareness, and I remember doing it with a
friend of mine out in the field. We were sitting
in a vehicle first and getting relaxed get into the
meditative state. Before we went into that meditation, and I know,

(01:27:23):
it was so funny because you can tell like he
was reading, and then you could tell that he was
turning the pages, and so there was just we always laugh.
We'd hear him breathe, and then it was just so
raw and he's reading and you can hear the pages
of his book that he's reading his meditation out of.
It was just hilarious. But that's my memories of doing

(01:27:43):
the CE five meditation from Stephen Greer. But we definitely
did do that. Christy folks, she asked earlier. She says
she wants to be a part of what we're doing
with the School of the Mystics, but she isn't able
to do it on Thursday nights. There's a lot of
people I've been getting this message a lot, a lot
of people who support a lot of people who want
to be a part of what we're doing on Thursday nights,

(01:28:04):
but they can't because of the job or you know,
the family things going on, and when they have time
to kind of get away, it's during work hours listening
to the podcast, driving whatever the case is. So I
wasn't gonna record those because they've been really candid and
stuff and personal, but I'm gonna record them and they're
gonna be available for the patrons, So it'll be in

(01:28:25):
the patron section essentially, because we're doing a course, and
if anybody comes in at any time in the course,
maybe we have, you know, five sessions under our belt,
you can go back and listen to them. They're going
to be really short sessions that we're doing with the
teachings anywhere short. So we're gonna do the short teaching

(01:28:47):
of the course and then we're gonna do the Q
and A and the group discussion that's in the book.
So it's about starting the profetic ministry and a lot
of it it's basics for me, elementary stuff, but I
think it's good to brush up on elementary stuff even
for me. And there could be some things I haven't

(01:29:08):
learned because this is somebody else's. Of course, there's a
bunch of them we could choose from, but we're gonna
start here and see how it goes. And so it's
gonna be something that we're building with the community Thursday
nights at seven pm with the School of the Mystics,
So you'll be able to listen to that at your
own leisure, so if you are a patron, you'll get
access to that too, So I wanted to make sure

(01:29:28):
I let that know that it will be recorded now. Yeah. Man,
I've had a pretty interesting week this week, guys. I
mentioned it at the end of the last podcast. Man,
I don't know. I don't know how much to just
go in on this. We've been talking about this a
lot lately. I was on Christy Lee's show last night.

(01:29:50):
We talked about it a little bit. But just to
kind of keep you guys up to speed, like, I
did a contest for a song. I wrote a song,
submitted it to this contest that Tark Bibbie put out
ended up winning first place. It was a theme song.
It was about star seeds who feel misplaced and who

(01:30:10):
are going through a rough time on the earth and
then kind of finding healing or finding their calling in
the end. So I wrote this song. It's available on
Patreon as well, you can download it. It's called Scars
and it's about a girl. It's about a guy going
through life and being an outcast, being rejected, not fitting
in at school, those type of things. And then he's

(01:30:33):
talking about pill addiction and stuff like that. And then
the second verse is about a girl kind of same experience,
not fitting in at school, being picked on, made fun of,
and things like that. And then at the end they
find each other. They run away together and they find healing.
And I sum it up in a song. I did
that song, put it out there for the contest. I

(01:30:54):
won first place. I want a thousand dollars, Praise God.
It was awesome. It came through it perfect time, right
when I needed it for bills and that type of stuff.
So really a god thing that I won. I knew.
The funny thing is, I knew I was gonna win
like when I because I woke up with those lyrics
in my head, like I got the song from spirit.
So I woke up out of sleep and had these

(01:31:14):
lyrics in my head, just the beginning of it to
sit down and do it, and it just started flowing.
One first place, one guy was upset that I won
because he submitted a song. The song was not good. Uh,
his singing was off key, all of this stuff, but
he insisted that he should have been the winner. And
it got really weird. This guy was messaging me the

(01:31:36):
guy who did the contest. Tark had to block this guy,
because he's talking about pressing charge is just crazy stuff.
This guy who claims that he was supposed to be
the winner of the contest and the song was bad.
I wanted to tell him that it was bad. I
wanted to tell him that he should have got somebody
else to sing it because he was off key, you know,
But I didn't. I had the message typed up and

(01:31:58):
I was gonna send it to him because he was
like accusing me or accusing the contest of being rigged,
and all kind of weird stuff, you know. So that
happened with the contest, and then on top of that,
a close friend of mine went through some weird psychosis.
He's been going through this thing for a long time,
actually doing really weird stuff on social media. I mean,
going live on Facebook and getting naked, like taking off

(01:32:19):
his clothes and saying, America, a stand before you as
a naked man, naked before you, naked before God. I
hold nothing back. And he get naked and put the
camera on his face where you couldn't see it. He's
sitting there naked on livestream. This dude, he's on drugs
and stuff, and he's a good friend of mine. Man,
he's got a calling on his life. I've seen God

(01:32:39):
use him. He's talented, he plays all kinds of instruments,
he raps, he sings. He's awesome, man. But he's just
in a bad place, on some really hard drugs and
involved with some dark spirits. Man. And well, anyway, this
guy reached out to me after all that stuff about
getting naked, and he made death threats to his baby
mama and his or on Facebook live. He said he

(01:33:02):
was gonna kill him and give them back to God.
Crazy stuff. He reached out to me and uh and said,
congratulations on the song. You did good, my brother. I'm
not even gonna ask you for what you owe me
half of the half of the money. It's like what
he said, Yep, you owe me half of the money.
That song was inspired by me, and I actually wrote

(01:33:23):
that song, and I gave you the knowledge and all
this took to write that song. And I was like,
I didn't even entertain it. I was like, man, this dude,
shout out, this dude. He's on some crazy stuff. To
come at me sideways like that on something that I created.
You know what I'm saying, that's just insane. That's the
stuff you go through when your mind is on some
of these hard drugs. And he just insisted. Man, he

(01:33:45):
just kept on and on, and then he started blowing
me up, calling me, calling me, calling me. I wasn't
answering because I was busy at the moment. You need
to answer right now. Your life is in jeopardy. Oh
my god. You know he's one of the craziest coming
out the woodwork. Bad thing is I really believe in
this guy. Man, I could see the potential in him. Anyway,
I finally answered the phone. I said, Bro, I'm watching

(01:34:06):
a movie with my wife. What's up? Blah blah blah blah.
He just went off on some crazy stuff, and you
owe me five hundred dollars. You want a thousand? I
want my money, Like, dude, you're insane, bro. And I
just told him, look, you need to get off the drugs.
You need to get cleaned. I love you by and
I just blocked him from all social media, blocked his
phone number, all that stuff. So then before he goes

(01:34:27):
and does this long Facebook rant on me and tries
to post it in the patreon or not Patreon group,
but in my on my public group, that I have
true Seeker's friends on Facebook and this long thing talking
about I'm a Judas and I stole from him crazy
crazy stuff. And then he started going to all my

(01:34:48):
friends just telling him crazy stuff about me. We got
to quit following truth Seeker. He's using magic. He's left God,
he's following magic, and like he's going to all my
friends just having these private discourses with them. And the
weird thing is like a lot of people entertained it,
you know, and I think you know, And that's that's
the weird thing when it comes to psychology and understanding

(01:35:10):
why people are trying to rationalize with the drug addict.
You know me too, I've I put myself in the mix.
Why why was I trying to? I see the I
see the potential in this guy, like I see, you know,
he's an awesome artist, Like people would people pray in
fast for his talent, Like they long to write a song,
They longed to be able to play the guitar, be

(01:35:31):
able to sing and rap, and like this guy, he's
got so much talent it's oozing out of him. But
he's in a bad place right now, man, So we're
just gonna pray for him. I've been praying for him,
but it got to the next level. He started sending
me death threats. He started telling my friends that he
was gonna stop at nothing to honor his ancestors and
kill me, and his ancestors will get glory out of

(01:35:55):
out of my downfall, and just crazy craziness. So I
reached out to this lady, the mother of the girl
he was threatening because they had a whole deal on
it as well, threatening to kill him and kill his daughter.
And so I reached out to her house, like, look,
if you guys had any luck going to the police

(01:36:17):
with this guy, because all my friends were messaging me like, dude,
you gotta be careful with this dude. He's crazy. Right now,
he may show up at your house blah blah blah
blah blah blah, this kind of stuff. So I hit
the lady up. She said he was supposed to go
to court yesterday. He never showed up. You know, they
got three warrants on him. You know. She told me
to call the cops just so I can, uh, you know,

(01:36:37):
let him know what's going on, that it would help
this case because they got warrants on him. He didn't
show up for court for threatening these people and he
got gun charges and all kinds of crazy stuff. Anyway,
I didn't a call. But then just a few hours
later she posted an update. Oh, she posted an update
saying he was locked up. So they had this picture

(01:36:59):
of him, you know, all cracked out and stuff in jail,
and it's like, it's insane. You gotta be careful, man,
this is real. I'm reading the uh the comments at
the same same thing, man, and so Jared says, man,
you should prepare. Hey we got guns, bro, we got guns.
Trust me, We're prepared. We're ready, ready for whatever. The

(01:37:22):
weird thing is like a lot of once you reach
a level of notoriety, once you get a big enough platform,
a lot of people come out the woodwork. But then
then again, you know, you got to see if you're
catering to these people, if you're enabling these people those

(01:37:43):
type of things. But it's not just me, we like
to say, because we talk about spirituality, we're open to
so much stuff. And trust me, I get those messages
from crazy people who listen to the show and listen
to my music and they resonate with me. And and
this may I think I've even had somebody else say
that they felt like they wrote my lyrics or something.

(01:38:05):
I don't you know what I'm saying, Like just crazy.
I have people hitting me up telling telling me that
the Illuminati and the Masons told them that they were
supposed to be my wife and marry me. And I've
had my friend's wives who have never met, just friends
online and their wife will secretly message me that they
want to be together. Just crazy stuff that goes on.
And it comes with the territory. Man, and you want

(01:38:27):
to think, is like, Okay, what are you doing, true
seeker that creates a breeding ground for these people? Why
do these people feel comfortable would coming to you? I
see the potential in a lot of people, like even
with this guy, I see potential in him, and I
feel like he's I hope that he gets cleaned up,
and I prophesy that over him that he will man,

(01:38:47):
and I want that for him. I think everybody deserves
to have a happy, happy ending.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
But I'm done with him. You can't threaten my life
or my family and then think you're gonna come back
and hang out and be friends. I'm done with them
on that tip. But there's a line that you can't
you can't take back your words.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
You have to be careful. You can't undo it. Hey,
I was just playing, man, I was in a bad spot. Okay,
I forgive you, but you gotta stay away. You gotta
stay where you are. You can't, yeah, you can. You
can't be trusted, you know. And there's those people. Sometimes
you have to cut people off. Sometimes you have to
get people out of your life. Man, some people are dangerous.
The spirit of jealousy. Man, I have a lot of

(01:39:27):
friends over the years who have been jealous of my platform.
They think that they deserve it. They think that they're
more spiritual, they think that they have the right knowledge
to share with the masses of this platform that I've built,
and they're jealous. I don't deserve the platform they do. Like,
I've had people there and they do little stuff like

(01:39:48):
that guy as far as like messaging all my friends
and say, hey, stay away from true Seeker. He's a fake,
he's a false prophet. He's leading people astray like that
type of like people have inboxed them. I've had people
do that, inbox all my friends and then call me
and have a conversation with me, accusing me. And then
I'm able to kind of shed some light on whatever,
you know, nonsense, they're entertaining in their head, and I

(01:40:09):
win them over and they're like, you know what, man,
I'm sorry, bro. And they go back and they message
all the people again and they apologize and say, you
know what, I was wrong about truth seeker, this, this, this,
I've had that happen a bunch, especially with church people.
But you know, creating a safe haven or for these
people to thrive into spiritual spirituality, the New Age whatever

(01:40:32):
you want to call it. Like there's a lot of
people who are out there, you know, but guess what,
I come from Christianity and the Christian Church. And guess what,
there's a breeding ground for that too there in the
prophetic movements and stuff and we so this is just
like a warning just everybody get up on their game,
Like we have to really be walking in the spirit

(01:40:52):
of discernment with what we're entertaining and with people, and
we allow people to speak into our lives. And that
dude reached out to a lot of people. He uh,
it was weird. It's a whole the whole thing is
just weird in general, that one person would have that
much power to go on there and do that and
stir up as much stuff as they could. And we

(01:41:13):
have to be uh careful to stuff we're entertaining and
we're letting these people. We have to move in the
spirit of discernment. It was said a long time ago
that the guy who led me to the Lord years ago,
he went to church. And then it was the guy
who came and uh he asked him to come to church.
So he came and checked out the church and uh talking,

(01:41:33):
he was like, man, you got And then he told him,
he said, look, you guys claim to be spiritual. You
guys are talking in tongues, praying in the Holy spirit,
healing people, dancing in the church. You guys are just
getting into the spirit of God. But you you can't
even move in the gift of discernment. He said, what
are you talking about? He said, you have registered sex
offenders in the church, and you're letting your kids run

(01:41:56):
around because it's a community almost effort almost, and you're
letting your kids run around and your kids are sitting
in the laps of registered sex offenders, and you guys
cannot even discern it. You don't even know that. But
you're so spiritual you're so deep, you're so connected with
God or hearing God, or God told me this, you know,
these type of things, but you can't discern the pedophiles

(01:42:17):
and sexIf registered sex offenders in your church and your
kids are sitting in their lap and they're sitting on
your on their knees, and they're you know, playing with
the kids in the church. And so that that really
punched him, man, It hit hit home with him, and
he shared that with me, and it always rang true
to me because I've known stuff like that too, of

(01:42:38):
just these people who go to church and they're accepted
and you know, I've seen trust me, man, like I've
seen so much. There's a lot of delusional people in
churches too. There's a lot of them in the New
Age movement, There's a lot of them in Islam. Look
at what these guys are doing. These people are killing
theirselfs over their religion and killing other peope and doing

(01:43:00):
harm to other people. Racist people, people in the klu
Klux Klan, black Hebrew Israelites, like on every asset the aspect,
there's us extremist out there, and it's about just trying
to find balance and trying to find peace. And harmony
and be that light into the world. That's essentially what
it's about. But in the midst of that, we have
to be careful. We have to use discernment. Pray for discernment.

(01:43:22):
That's a spiritual gift. Like in your spirit you can
know that, hey, this isn't right. God will tell you
stuff about people. I mean, that's what we're going to
be speaking on on the School of the Mystics tonight
is how to hear that voice of God in your
life for what people are going through, business decisions, relationship
decisions like hearing God, being able to discern the spirits

(01:43:45):
that are on other people like you can do that.
That's part of it. It's very practical. It's practice. Isn't
just theories and cool stuff or what if it's real? No,
this stuff is real. It's tangible and if you can't
apply it to your life, if it cannot help you
or the people around you, then I really don't want
to talk about it. And so there's some somewhat of

(01:44:05):
a tangible experience in each every one of these interviews
that I do, I try to take something from it.
I mean, even this discussion with David Curtis today, it's
like this guy is seventy three years old and to
see where he is and to see his life's pass
very similar to mine, Like those experiences he's had and
the conclusions he's come to, and it still seems like

(01:44:29):
he's just still seeking, Like now, what is the thing? Like,
what's the absolute? I think I found the absolute? Like
I think I know what it's about. For me, it's
simply knowing God and making him known, letting people know
about this gospel that God loves you and He's got
a plan for you, and you can encounter God that
you have a purpose for your life and a plan

(01:44:50):
for your life. And in that and through that, there's
so much other stuff. Whatever your life calling is, to be,
whatever you desire to do with your life, all of
that stuff is kind of woven throughout that message. But
the messages is an empowerment of the Good News Man
and so of a that you're not alone, right, and
so like that's that's my end all, Like that's my

(01:45:13):
agenda in the midst of having these conversations with people,
is to share my story and uh and see how
it relates and really get deep down into the into
the essence of the of the mind of the psyche
and and what people are going through and uh, people
who need help, people like this guy who uh you know,
sent me death threats and stuff like that. I try
to put myself out there, you know. I try to

(01:45:36):
put myself and I had I have discernment with them.
That's my problem, and not just me, but most of
the people I run with in my circle, is that
we have compassion for others. We uh, we know that
the churches have kicked these guys out, we know that
they've been booted from society and their outcasts, but hey,
those are the people that God uses man, so we

(01:45:56):
have a compassion for them. And because we've been there,
we've been and I don't want to kick this guy
wan he's down. I've been there. I've got the calm
and to prove it. You know. I've done that to people,
and it's been done to me, and I would not
wish that upon anyone. That's why I try to go
above and beyond to extend my hand. But you bite
me when I extend my hand out there, and we're done.

(01:46:18):
I can't mess with you. I can't like if I
keep if I go out there and pick up a
snake and the snake bites me, who's the blame me
or the snake? Especially if I go out there and
do it again, keep getting bit by the same snake. No,
you got to use wisdom and discernment. Man, with all things.
The scriptures is deep on this. And the scripture talks
about giving people over to Satan. Let that sink in.

(01:46:41):
What does that mean? Giving them over to Satan? It's
really just pulling your hands back. Look, man, it's you
and God, you and Satan essentially, Like I'm gonna have
to give you over to what's what's ailing you and
let let you let you deal with that for a
while and see what happens, and see see what you
come to. And God as a way of wooing the
hearts hearts of people and and and setting up situations

(01:47:05):
and sending demons into your life and and downfall and
things to let you know that he's the way, Like
He's the only only place you're gonna find serenity and
solace is in him, this relationship with God, and that
that's what it's about. So with this brother, I pray
for him, I release him, you know all that stuff.
And I believe that uh, you know, I want his

(01:47:27):
best days to be ahead of him. I want him
to get clean, I want him to be happy, I
want him to be in his kid's life and things
like that. I hate the fact that everybody you know
doesn't get the happy ending which I was talking about.
I believe in that. I fight for that. I I
make every I don't live for the moment. I try
not to. I try to try to make every decision

(01:47:50):
with the future in mind of my future, of my daughter,
my wife, my friends, my family, even myself, to kind
of set myself up of like planting something today that
comes into manifestation, like building the life that we want,
the vision that we have of ourselves. When we go
into meditation and you get these visions of yourself and
what you want to do and why you're here, what

(01:48:11):
is my purpose? And then you're so far removed from
that purpose that you see yourself in the astral realms,
It's like, Okay, what can I do to achieve that?
What can I do to actually tap into that? And
there's things practical things you can do to be whatever
you want, whatever you're called to be, and aligning yourself

(01:48:32):
with the universe or with God, God works with you.
He doesn't work against you. He doesn't unit it's not
mad at you. And we talk about the universe and God.
That's a whole nother thing too. I've been just kind
of contemplating. You know, some people like to say God.
You go in New Age circles, they don't want you
to say God because they think you're being religious. But

(01:48:52):
you know, we're talking about God in the universe, trying
to use it interchangeably. But I don't think it's the
same thing. I think that God created the universe. That's
two different things. And we talk about the universe. That's
that's not something that uh that loves you or something
that's tangible, something that cares about you. God is is personable,

(01:49:13):
like there's a I have a relationship with the loving God,
with the spirit realm.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
So we're talking about people getting offended or not wanting
to be you know, not wanting to talk about God
or whatever the case is. I've been you know, I've
went through that whole thing. I go into a lot
of New Age broadcast and shows and they have me
on even within myself. But it is what it is, man,
It's about God. And if you want to call it
the universe, but I think the universe. God created you

(01:49:41):
the universe, and uh, you know what I'm saying. So
there's a difference there. That's as a tangent. But uh,
some of these other questions here in the chat room,
and see all it is his interview is going to
be really soon, guys. All it is we did a
song together too, so make sure y'all check that out
A L L I T I Z just typing all
it is one word on YouTube with truth Ceca and

(01:50:01):
you can check out the new song that we did
about UFOs and the spirit realm, some awesome stuff we
went into. But he says here in the chat he says,
I believe we all have a uh a. He says,
I believe we all have a live detector built in
into our spirit. We just have to learn how to
listen to it. Yep, we can. We can sense things

(01:50:22):
and like I say, we right, So I think the
I think that different people have different giftings and different abilities,
and it talks about this in the Bible, and it
talks about the gift of discernment and it says that
I know we want to say we because we do
like you do. I do, and you know people who do,
but maybe some people don't. Maybe some people have other

(01:50:44):
giftings and they're better at utilizing those gifts and for
the body. So we all come together, Okay, truth, cicca
and all it is. You guys are good at discernment.
Here's somebody else who's good at speaking. Here's somebody all
there who has a gift of planning and bringing people together.
All of these are gifts within the Bible. The gift

(01:51:05):
of administration making things happen, the gift of healing, the
gift of prophecy, the gift of speaking in tongues. Obviously,
I think we all can kind of tap into all
of those areas. But we talk about the body when
we all come together, and all of us are good
at these things. Trust me. When the Church and in
the Book of Acts, this is what they did. They

(01:51:25):
were all good at these different things. They came together
and they function and they changed the generation, They changed
everybody they came in contact with. It was not like
it was not like an agenda driven thing of hey,
look at me, some of that came into play, but
they addressed it and they dealt with it, and they
did it the best way that they knew how. But
we're talking about spiritual giftings. We're talking about other some

(01:51:49):
people good at divination, of tapping into the spirit realm,
casting lots, and these spiritual practice and this whole artillery
that they had, man and when they rolled together and
they were on one accord, you couldn't stop them. And
we can we can still build like that. We can
work with that when we when we come together on
one accord. So for one man of Trusigo or whoever

(01:52:11):
show or podcast or teacher you listen to, who claims
to have it figured out and they want to be
the master teacher. Some people call themselves the master teacher.
I've been getting a lot of links from this guy
out there they call him. He calls himself the Master teacher.
And I've known many master teachers on YouTube. But it's
about it's about a community man. Anytime that one man

(01:52:32):
is exalted, anytime that even like in a church setting,
when the pastor is the go to guy, well, my
pastor said this, My pastor is the man of God
over my life. Blah blah blah blah blah. That's demonic.
It's straight to mindic. You can learn from that person.
He could be a shepherd. But really, essentially God, the
Holy Spirit, Jesus is the shepherd. But it's when we

(01:52:53):
come together, when we all come together, it's about a community.
It's about the body of Christ. It's about the flower
of life, all of us being an expression of God.
And when we come together, we formulate the body of
Christ on earth, the body of Love, right, the body
of what. It says that if two or three, if

(01:53:17):
two or three gether in my name, there I am
in the midst. So as you come together, you essentially
formulate Jesus on the earth. You are the manifestations of
the sons of God. That's what it's about. It's about
coming together. It's about walking in the spirit of unity,
in the spirit of love. Man, that's just what That's

(01:53:39):
just I wanted to kind of give you guys some
insight on what I've been going through this week also
to maybe I want to speak on this too. This
is for the This is for the fathers out there
and the mothers too. But there's something I've got this
on on my wrisk for you guys who can see
this on on the video end. But I've got a
I've got a pink tag on my wrist. It's just
get their uh something. I want to encourage you guys.

(01:53:59):
Man this stuff. It's practical. Man. There's something that I
do that I want to pass down to you guys
to do if you don't. At least one day a year,
I take my daughter out to something I call Daddy
Daughter Day, and it's usually check her out of school.
I let her go for a couple hours and she
doesn't know it. I have this day planned where I
pick her up, we go, ride go carts, we go,

(01:54:20):
have lunch somewhere special, and we go to the movies
or whatever the case is. But I did one yesterday
so or the day before, and so I wanted to
talk about that a little bit. I this I want.
I want to talk about that to encourage you guys
to do this. Whether if you're a father, if you're
a mother, spend a few dollars and you've got to
be you do it for less than one hundred bucks man,

(01:54:42):
just to spend time. I mean, do it and even
go on a walk, going to nature hike, you know,
on just like a beautiful day. Check them out of school,
go spend time with just you and them. Not not
not both parents, just one. Uh and so go get
your kid, take them out. Day before yesterday, I took
my daughter, went and got her, got some lunch, had
a good lunch. Then we went to this place called

(01:55:04):
get Air, which is a trampoline spot. And we went
there and I wanted to plan it. I'm trying to
plan it out with a movie because there was a
movie I wanted to go see and take her to
the spot. But we went there to jump on these trampolines.
There's trampoline park and we were the only people there.
Went there right when it opens. I mean, how many
kids are there at noon, you know, on a Tuesday.

(01:55:25):
So we went to the trampoline park and we jn't.
We had the whole place to ourselves. Man, this whole
trampoline It was twenty bucks. I think it was twenty bucks,
like twenty six bucks for us to do that. We
went there and spent an hour and then we went
and seen a movie and then went and got ice
cream or whatever. But it's just something like that that
I just encourage you guys. Man, this stuff is practical.

(01:55:45):
Just you know, time is precious. Time is of the
essence as well. And I want to encourage you guys
to do that. Go go check your kid out of
school one day.

Speaker 5 (01:55:53):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
It don't take a lot of money, so I don't
even if you ain't got no money. Man, you can
go for a walk, you can go to the park
and just get on the slide. Whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
But this stuff is practical, man, So I'm reading all
it is, he says, He says, He says, great idea.
I'll do it with my five year old soon. He says.
We gotta get air in Michigan too, and might have
to try that much love truth. Yeah, I do it
when nobody's there too, man, so it's not crowded and
kids are just you know, knocking everybody down and all

(01:56:21):
that kind of stuff. But it was fun just to
have the whole place to ourselves, man, And I try
to do it once a year every year. It's not playing.
She don't know it. It's a surprise. She comes you know,
she's in school, comes out. It's like here we're going,
and I had everything prepared. I love I love surprises, man.
I've been able to surprise my wife and my daughter
on many different occasions, and that I like, I just

(01:56:42):
love it. I love surprises, man, good surprises. Put it
that way. I've had enough bad surprises in my life.
So it's all about the good surprises and making them laugh,
bringing smiles to people's faces and their face. That's what
I do if I don't do anything else, man, As
a father, I try to I try to, uh, you know,
be lighthearted, to make them laugh and make them smile.

(01:57:03):
You know in the world out there that can be
h can be hard and cold hearted at times. I
try to keep things like even with you guys, man,
I try to bring something to the table that's gonna
encourage you guys. It's gonna better your life. It's gonna,
you know what I'm saying, make this walk a little
bit easier, make it a little bit more enjoyable. I
think we're supposed to enjoy life. I remember going through

(01:57:23):
spirituality as a Christian and as like the Gnostic traditions,
even they teach that you're not supposed to enjoy life,
that you're supposed to like be a suffering servant or
what even in like like the five percenters they call
the poor righteous teachers like and and that was like
I thought, that's what you had to be you couldn't
enjoy life. You wasn't supposed to have money. You wasn't

(01:57:43):
supposed to have wealth or or be happy and stuff.
But that's man, that's so it's demonic, man, it's not
of God.

Speaker 5 (01:57:50):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
Everything is beautiful. To enjoy everything in life. But to
really reach that spirituality where you can go out and
just sit in nature and be okay, well you can
go and do that walk with your family, or walk
through the forest in the cool of the day and
just enjoy it and feel connected with everything there man, spirituality,
and let you do that, and to know that you're
one with all creation, with God, the Holy Spirit which

(01:58:12):
is there with you, with your breath as you're able
to breathe in out in nature. Maybe even we've went hiking.
I remember, I take my shoes off and I go
barefoot hiking with the family and we just connecting with
the earth and the energies, getting grounded, putting our feet
on the ground, like really connecting. It don't cost money,
like it's free to do a lot of this stuff, man,
And that's what it's about man.

Speaker 5 (01:58:32):
To be.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
To live in the moment, because that's all you have.
You don't have tomorrow. You don't have yesterday. Yesterday's gone,
but to be in the moment. Like I always point out,
Ekhart totally is a millionaire off of teaching people how
to live in the now moment and how to find
that power in the now moment. That's why I talk
about meditation. It's about focusing on the moment. We go
into those realms, we get the vision for ourselves in

(01:58:57):
the now moment, there is no tomorrow. We talk by
going on being set on autopilot and just living life
the mundane, over and over and then even with my family,
like even though like I do this stuff, it can
I can still get on autopilot and my family can
do it. My daughter goes to school, comes home, does homework,
we get dinner, we eat, we spend some time together,

(01:59:19):
I do a podcast, whatever, And it can be monotonous.
You get into the monotony of life. So you got
to switch it up. You gotta grab and and shake
things up, even for yourself. Man, turn that autopilot switch off.
I did it for years when I was working. In
weeks would pass man and I'm just like just going
just living, just doing it. And a lot of times
it would come to play because it would make it

(01:59:40):
worse because I'd have something I was looking forward to
a month out, two months out, six weeks from now,
whether it's Christmas. You know, you get close to Christmas,
you're like, man, I can't wait till Christmas or your birthday.
Or you go into a concert and you get on
autopilot because you want that event to come quicker. So
you have to shake yourself. You have to get out
of that auto pilot and don't let the moment pass

(02:00:02):
you by. To be present in the moment and make
those memories. Man on, Like, make those memory That's what
it's about. And I have to. It's a stump, man,
it's a slump to fall into. I've gotten there. And
then it's you know, mindfulness, meditation, all of that helps
to do that and just the walking gratitude. Start looking

(02:00:23):
at your life and just find the things in your
life that you can be thankful for. Starting with your breath.
Take that deep breath in Holy Spirit. And a lot
of times I can take that breath and I just
feel the Holy Spirit when I breathe. It's the breath,
it's the pneuma. It says Jesus breathed upon his disciples,
they receive the Holy Spirit. We could tap into the

(02:00:44):
breath that's the life force. Without that breath, you don't exist,
you're not animated. This is the breath that animates all life.
So it's as simple as that being thankful for every
little thing that we have and just our limbs, our health,
our family, our friends, you know, whatever you have in
your life that you're thankful for. Man to really sit

(02:01:04):
in all of that and then to even speak it
out express it, we said, we're not talking about a theory.
We're talking about or just a god who is distant.
We're talking about this relationship with with the creator that
longs for a relationship with you, that wants to hang
out with you, that wants you to tell him or

(02:01:26):
it your your feelings or your fears and confess your
thoughts to him so he can take him. He takes
all that, man, and that's what it's about. So let
me see. So, yeah, thank you everybody who's supporting my work,
little Tea in the chat room, Andrew Jackson, Christy folks,

(02:01:46):
all of this Funo matrix, everybody, Chris Garner, which Chris
Garner has been hanging out for a while too, everyt
Kathy Catherine, Kathleen, a little bit of everybody.

Speaker 4 (02:02:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:02:04):
Thank you guys for hanging out with me today. Thank
you again for supporting my work. I couldn't do it
without you. A little bit goes a long way doing
this stuff. You guys know, I do the podcasts free
to consume. I used to. I used to only I
used to do an hour free and then the second
half was for paid members. But now like I just
do the whole thing free. So yeah, your support really

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I got a new album coming out. The pre order
is available. Now you get order, you get entered into

(02:02:49):
a contest to win this big Wall flag and I'm
signing every pre order that comes through. So the album
will be released on April the twentieth. We're also doing
a album release party, so if anybody wants to come
to the concert that we're doing I'll be performing live
and it's a free concert inside of house. It's gonna

(02:03:10):
be awesome. House shows are amazing. Haven't done one in years,
but it's gonna be awesome. So the show is free.
Just get you room and you know, give us a
rent a room, pay the gas and come down. Like
I got friends driving over eight hours to come to
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guys want to hang out, you want to meet, you'll
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(02:03:30):
all the infos on my website at truth cigar dot com.
There's also some new merch on there. I don't promote
the merch too much, but I do have T shirts
and things available promoting some different songs that I have,
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some quotes and stuff like that from my lyrics. So
all that stuff's available on my site as well. And

(02:03:51):
so if you want to support, buy a shirt all
that good stuff. With that, I'm gonna say peace and shalom.
I enjoyed this episode, got some more stuff lined up
for you guys, and thank you guys for the support.
With that piece, Shalom, God bless.

Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
Joe so much, so much, so much, so much Earth.

Speaker 3 (02:04:16):
Well, that does it for this episode.

Speaker 4 (02:04:17):
Folks.

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