November 13, 2024 • 55 mins
In this episode, we sit down with Jennifer Wilson from Ocean and Oracle, an expert astrologer and clinical hypnotherapist. With over 10 years of experience, Jennifer shares how astrology is far more than just zodiac signs and horoscopes - it’s a powerful tool for self-discovery, mental health, and life alignment. Discover how Jennifer uses astrology to guide her clients in understanding subconscious patterns, addressing anxiety, and embracing personal growth. We explore misconceptions about astrology, how to leverage your unique birth chart, and how cosmic cycles can help you plan your life. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about blending intuition with the stars to live your best, most aligned life.
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What You’ll Learn:
- How astrology goes beyond horoscopes to reveal deeper insights into your personality and potential
- Ways to use your birth chart to overcome self-doubt, manage anxiety, and enhance mental well-being
- Tips for aligning your business and personal goals with cosmic cycles for optimal flow
- Practical steps for using astrology as a tool for personal and professional growth
- Common misconceptions about astrology and how to use it meaningfully in your daily life
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There is so much information in your chart that can
help you on a granular day to day level to
feel better, to tap into your strength, to make life
feel easier or aligned, or make more sense.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome to the Aligned and Magnetic Podcast. I'm your host,
Laura Ashley, Intuitive business coach, certified by the International Coaching Federation,
and they call me the Money, Mindset and Manifestation Queen.
I take a spiritual and practical approach that's backed by
neuroscience to help you make your vision a reality, but
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more importantly, doing it in a way that lights you
the fuck up. If you're ready to create an aligned, magnetic,
and profitable business so you can live a life and
do the work you are absolutely in love with, you're
in the right place. Get ready to hear the powerful
question and raw lessons that you need to create success
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your way. Thank you so much for being here. Let's
dive in, Hi, Hi Love. Welcome back to another episode
of the Aligned and Magnetic Podcast. Today we have an
amazing guest, Jennifer from Ocean and Oracle SO. Jennifer is
an astrologer and clinical hypnotherapist with over ten years of
experience in her field. Using the power and knowledge of
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astrology paired with rewiring the subconscious mind, she assists her
clients to catapult forward into a life that they love.
Jennifer supports clients all over the world and is beyond
passionate about helping them reach their desired goals and then some.
And so jen also has her own podcast called The
Ocean and Oracle Podcast. You have to go check that
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out because you talk about all things astrology, all things
like the mind and all of that stuff as well. Right,
it's amazing. And you may have also heard another interview.
We interviewed you like two years years ago, I think
on the podcast in season one, which is wild to
think back, like two years already has passed, so that's crazy.
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So today we're going to be talking mostly about astrology.
So welcome to the podcast. I'm super excited to dive in.
My first question is what is the biggest misconception that
you see or are aware of when it comes to astrology.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Where to start with this question.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
There's probably like ten or more.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
This episode will be ten hours. The biggest thing is
I feel like astrology gets discredited a lot as the
horoscope in an inaccurate horoscope in the back of a
magazine and although astrology can absolutely be used for entertainment purposes.
And I'm the first one to laugh at memes that
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are on whatever social platform, especially the tourist ones. I'm
a tourist and all the memes that come up for
tourists are like napping with pizza, And I can't even
feel attacked, because like, that's what we are, you know,
we love it. But there is so much information in
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your chart that can help you on a granular day
to day level to feel better, to tap into your strengths,
to make life feel easier or aligned, or make more sense.
And it has been something if you follow me on
any of my platforms, you will know that my approach
this is very practical. And having said that, it has
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made such an impact on my life as someone who
has struggled with anxiety, depression, overthinking, self sabotage, all of it.
My chart was a huge part of what help to
me move out of that, not only move out of that,
but understand why I was feeling the way that I
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was feeling, and I was actually misdiagnosed with an anxiety disorder.
And it says probably about like oh my god, eight
to ten years ago. I'll say, and I'm not saying
that anxiety disorders are not very real because I also
work with a mental health and I know that they are.
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But for me, it wasn't actually anxiety. It was overthinking
and it was part of my chart that helped me
kind of I want to just say, like, unravel why
I do that, Because when you go into Western medicine
and you list off how you're feeling, and the doctor
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basically just went like, you know, tik tik tik, yep, anxiety,
here's your medication. And I was on some pretty heavy
stuff twice a day that made me me just I
felt nothing. I was just like I don't even know
how to explain it, like a zombie. And coming off
of those meds because I didn't need them, I feel
like my life completely changed and I was able to
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be the person that I meant to be. I feel
like that was like a really well, I mean, this
is what we do. We go down rabbit holes when
you and I talk. But does that kind of answer
your question?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah? Definitely. Would you mind sharing and you don't have to,
but would you mind sharing what specifically in your chart
led to overthinking?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah? So the chart is broken down into different planets
or points.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So we have.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Personality planets, which are mercury venus. The Sun and the
Moon are in there, although they're luminaries not planets. We
have growth planets that show us and I just got
goosebumpless they said that. But we have growth planets which
are in our chart to show us significant areas of
opportunity of growth in this life. And then we have
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subconscious planets, which are the subconscious. They are the layers underneath,
and for me, they're all clustered in a certain part
of my chart, which has to do with me internally
and understanding why I was feeling the way that I
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was feeling. That it helped me. All I can say
is like a giant I'm just picturing like a giant
ball of yarn, and you know, like when you have
anything that's super tangled and you're trying to just pull
it and it just gets tighter, or even like a
nott in a necklace, and it could just help me
unravel all of that. Because there's no bad placements in
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a chart. Some placements are in a place of strength,
and we just come into this life not really having
to do much unlearning with them. But some planets are
placed in a part of our chart where we are
meant to grow and learn with them. And I've been
saying this a lot lately, so I feel like this
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is not just for me, but for other people too.
But it was a lot of unlearning and almost freeing
myself from myself, because the anxiety for me stemmed from
overthinking and building up scenarios that weren't happening, and then
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living through that lens yeah, which can feel really debilitating.
So it was learning, It was validating to understand why
I was feeling that way, and then learning how to
tap into my areas of strength and work with those
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areas that needed a little bit of support to help
come out the other and essentially and not live in
that space of worst case scenario overthinking all that.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
It's so interesting because I love your metaphor of the
ball of yarn, right, and I think what I'm gathering
from this is, like every human being, there's obviously a
reason that anxiety exists, right, like it is real. And also,
I guess what I think I'm understanding is that astrology
really helped you to direct your attention to what the
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root of it was or like where you could maybe
shift your perspective and grow and expand. And I think
that from what I know about, astrology is going to
be different for every human being, right, Yeah, yes, And.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
That's probably another misconception honestly, is the generic.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Zodiac sign?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, if our charts are so intricate. I had one
of the clients that I had this week was like,
this is why I'm happy to pay you to do
this because this is so overwhelming. I had no idea
that there was this many layers. And with that, if
you're not a professional astrologer or you have not devoted
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time to learning, it's like anything else. You don't just
wake up one day and be like, oh I could
I'm just going to go into surgery to day because
I looked it up on the internet. So don't feel
overwhelmed that you don't know everything, because you're not meant
to know everything unless you've studied it or learned it.
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Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Totally? And that just reminds me of what we started
talking about before we hit the record button, which was
that you someone came to and was like, oh, I
just used chat GPT for astrology. What are your thoughts
on that as you cranged.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I wish you could see my face. I've used chat
GPT because I was curious as AI and this stuff
is all coming to the forefront as I just wanted
to see what it could do. And because I know
what's accurate and what's not accurate, some of the stuff
that came up did hit and I was like, okay,
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but some of it was wildly inaccurate from what I
know to be true. And I've been talking about this
a lot on my platform. How astrology isn't regulated. It's
a modality that's not regulated, meaning anyone can say anything
that they want. And this is why it's so important,
because our minds are so powerful. So if you're reading
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something that says whatever it says and that sticks in
your mind, just how we have the ability and I
mean preaching to the choir with you, but just as
we have the ability to manifest positivity into our lives,
we can also manifest negativity. So if you're reading something
that's not inaccurate and absorbing that, well, that's getting in
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the way of your magnetism and what you can bring
into your life. And on the other side of that
is I've had a lot of clients who've read like
generic horoscopes. I'll use one specific example where they were like, oh,
last month it said that Pisces was supposed to find love,
and I didn't. What am I doing wrong? So then
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you get into the area where if you are reading
things that are promising, things that may or may not
be accurate to you, and you're holding out for that
and they're not happening because they were never accurate from
the beginning, Well, how does that leave you feeling not
really good? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I remember when I was younger and I didn't know
anything about astrology, and I would read the magazines. I
would always go and get I can't even remember what magazines,
but I would read those tiny teen people magazines Osma, yes, Cosmopolitan,
and then well, what are the other ones?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh my god, I'm seventeen.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yes I read that one. Oh my god, I forget
all of them, but I anyway, So I would read
my horoscope in there, and I would feel disappointed because
I would get so much hope for what my future
was about to bring and the love of my life
was going to come in and enter and whatever, and
then yeah, you get to the end of the month
and you're kind of like, huh that that kind of sucks.
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But now what I know about astrology. And it's funny
because when I started university, all of my professors in
psychology because I did my undergrad and psych they were like,
in first year psychology, they were like, astrology isn't real.
It's blah blah blah blah blah, but psychology is real.
I'm like, oh, okay, So I bought into that idea.
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But then as I just started learning about I got
credentialed as a coach and did that and then had
a huge spiritual journey in Mexico, I started to realize that, well, actually,
there's so many ane and what would you call it?
Like the Mayans used astrology, like all of these native groups.
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I'm not saying the right thing, but in ancient times
they used astrology to plan different things, to do different things,
and all of that. So it just validated the modality.
And now I look at those horoscopes and everything, and
I'm like, how the heck can they even say something
as bold as a Pisces is going to find a love,
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Like it just doesn't make any sense to mem, Like,
how did you draw that conclusion because it's such a complex.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Tool, and that's why I refuse to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I look at a lot of these other astrology accounts
that have larger followings than me, and a lot of
them are doing generic horoscopes per se. And I take
such a pride in not, to the best of my
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ability spreading misinformation or false promises. Could I have a
larger following if I did that because it's clickbait? Absolutely,
but I can't, And.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I love that you stand in your integrity. You actually
mentioned something recently when we were chatting about the lions
Gate and how you challenge that. Do you want to
talk about that?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And got absolutely attacked. Yeah, I would love to. So firstly,
this is not from a numerology standpoint. I'm not a numerologist.
It is not my area of expertise, so I'm not
saying that there could not be some validity from that.
From a numbers standpoint, I don't know ask a numerologist,
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but the lions Gate portal has to do with the
sun in Leo and Serious, which is a star and
an alignment. So my question with this, when I saw
this Lion's Gate stuff coming up, was I just saw
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blue jay fly outside the window, and I never see
blue jays, so I feel like that was some sort
of like stay true to you. Yeah, but it was
just why this alignment? Why this specific one? And I
know that serious is the brightest star in the sky,
like there is that, but why this specific one? And
it was something years ago that I asked my teacher
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because she's very traditional, and I said, you've never taught this.
Why is everyone talking about it? She said the same thing.
It's an alignment. If we noted every alignment that happened
between a luminaria or a planet or a star, we'd
have every day. So why this one? And when I
started to do some research around it, there isn't really
anything that gates back. I don't remember exactly how many years,
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but not a lot, and it never resonated. So for
years I never said anything, and this year I just thought,
you know what I'm gonna say. As a professional astrologer,
I do not see the validity in this. However, I
am not here to tell you what is right for you.
But you know, I always keep it real with y'all,
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and this is my opinion. Take it, leave it, stay
true to you, and Oh my god, did I get attacked?
And it makes me laugh because I mean, I already
know you're never going to please everyone, and I knew
posting that up because it's an opinion, I was probably
going to get some kind of backlash. And you kind
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of have to have thick skin to post anything these
days that is of an opinion, because there's people that
will see it and if it doesn't resonate, just leave it.
And then there's the people. And I feel like these
are a lot of times the people that are not
strong within themselves or perhaps living from a victim mentality,
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that do feel the need to attack you for your
opinion when you are not attacking anybody else, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, And I appreciate you sharing this story because I've
even been going through it. I actually posted a podcast
episode on this recently, or maybe it's the one coming
out anyway about cancel culture. And my clients are afraid
to put anything out there because people are so quick
to cancel without any context, without any understanding of who
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you are, Like they'll just see something and they'll be like, no,
you said blah blah blah, I disagree with you, and
it's just it's really sad to me to see how
much hatred and division and judgment there is in the world.
Like it really does hurt my heart. And also it's
scary because that is like it hurts. I'm not someone
who likes confrontation. So whenever someone has like something bad
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to say about something or like whatever, I feel it
in my body. And so it's obviously that's something that
we can work on and to get you know, stronger
and thicker skin. But it is challenging. It's a challenging
thing to face, I think right now in the online world.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And not to like get really deep here, but there
are certain things that I will I mean pick and
choosing my battles because I'm not gonna drop my energy
on Jeff Ears. But there's certain things that I do
think there's a line with right and wrong, you know, racism,
I will say something, Yes, homophobia, I will say something
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because this is human rights, you know. But someone wants
to post something on the Internet that says, yeah, right, amazing,
I'm so happy for you. Whatever works for you, that's great.
I'm not here trying to argue and change their mind.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, you know, yeah, but no, it's going beyond just
like standing up for ethical things. It's like personal attacks
and anyway, we could have a whole other conversation, but
I wanted to mention. I googled the meaning of a
blue jay and its strength, confidence and communication, so I
thought that was very re There you go, Okay, So
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what difference has astrology made in your life? I feel
like you've kind of touched on this, but feel free
to share more, or to share maybe like the biggest
I don't know the biggest thing that you've seen astrology
do for you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I think for me right now, because I don't think
there's like a simple way to answer this question because
there's so many things. But if I had to pick
one right now, this isn't my needle chart, So this
isn't me looking at like my specific birth chart. It's
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a transit that is happening within my birth chart. And
just to explain a little bit what I know by transit,
So we all have our natal birch art, which is
a snapshot of this guy the moment we took our
first breath, which is like our life hand book. But
obviously the planets and the points aren't just stuck there.
They're still moving so they move around your chart, creating
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conversations with the other planets or points, giving you areas
of growth or opportunity. And for anyone who has followed
along on my journey or if you're new to me,
I am Canadian. I've lived mostly in New Zealand for
the last five years. I did spend some time in California,
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spend some time in Fiji. I am about to embark,
Oh my god, like a week and a half I
think now, on a journey to Asia to Bali. I
have a one way ticket, and as a tourist, this
is not easy for me. Just disclaimer. I am like
a stable, stability plan type person. So for me to
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get like a one way ticket and be like, we're
just going to figure it out, like this is growth
within myself. But because I've been moving around so much
and I've really been wanting to figure out where I
meant to be, just to kind of have a home base,
stop living out of suitcases. At this point, I have
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stuff in three different countries that I've just left because
I've accumulated and can't keep bringing it with me. So
I go back and basically have a life there of
things already and I have a transit that is going
over a part of my chart, and it's a longer transit.
Some transits move very quickly, some take years. So I
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have a transit I'm coming out of it now and
it's been four and a half years, and it's going
over a part of my chart that has to do
with home and where I belong. And I think that
this would have been very hard for me to not
understand and why I and this is the internal dialogue
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that I've had sometimes why I can't accomplish a simple
task of finding roots, but knowing that this transit has
me moving, and whether that be because I haven't figured
out where I meant to be long term yet, or
there is someone that I meant to meet along this
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journey and then I will land somewhere. It helped me
lean into not worrying and I'm not saying I still
don't want that, or I'm not putting the energy out
that I am going to find my home base and
I will still travel because that's a huge part of
who I am. But it's helped me to not stress
out about it and feel I don't just see like
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shitty about it, because if it's something that you can't
figure out, and it weighs on you. I know, we've
all had these types of scenarios where we want something
so bad and it's not happening. It's all you can
think of. It's just helped me lean in and enjoy
the moment and be okay with purchasing a one way
ticket to Bali with no plan. Basically I'm landing, that's
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my plan, and know that everything's going to be okay,
everything's going to unfold, and instead of looking at it
through the lens of fear, looking at it through the
lens of opportunity. Because if I haven't found that home
base yet, I kind of have a funny feeling of
where it is and I've already been there. But I
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will not going to spoil everything. Will unravel that to
you as it comes. But it's just helped me enjoy
being where I am and not worrying about step nine,
ten and eleven when I'm on step one.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You know, Yeah, it sounds to me like it helps
to let go of like the roumin nation and the
self criticism around and I go through that all the time,
right Like I remember, before discovering human design for me,
I was like I'm trying all of these fucking business strategies.
I've been doing this for two years. Why isn't this working?
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And it just it helps to give you, I think,
that validation of like you know, you're not maybe meant
to do those strategies, or you're meant to be this way,
or you're meant to, I don't know, shine your light
like this, and this is who you are. It's like
a remembrance of who you are, so you can stop
banging your head against the wall and trying to fit
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into the same box that society tries to put people in, you.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Know, totally and from a business standpoint, through my chart,
I have been able to identify business cycles. So before this,
there would be times where I would be so busy
with minimal effort. And when I say minimal effort, I
mean I've already had my business fundamentals and that's the
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word I want to use, like foundation in place, but
I haven't had to do much selling. Yeah, And then
there are times where I go through these lulls. And
before I understood this, I mean Laura Ashley and I
have had conversations or I just haven't said it in
these words, but just like I'm burning it all the ground,
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it's not working. And it's just helped me understand that
my business is going to come in these ebbs and flows,
and if it's time, if it is a time that
is in a lower time, that that's my time to rest,
not my time to burn out trying to like force
a circle into a square. So from a business standpoint,
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that's helped a lot too.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And then you can also, yeah, then you can plan
for that rest too, right, Like you can plan for
you know, maybe you could expect yourself to not do
as much as you were doing before because financially your
things look a little bit different. And I think this
is so important to understand, and I I just want
to highlight because with all of the marketing that is
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done online, and this is something that I constantly have
to face myself. There's so much marketing around creating consistent
this much months, creating consistent this much months, and I've
been able to do that, and still there are still
ebbs and flows. Like I don't know that any business can.
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There's always going to be moments where you know, one
month it's really really good, one launch is really amazing,
and then maybe things shift right, and that's kind of
part of business. And I think it can get easier
as you go on. But I just know that so
many people struggle with this narrative because you know, they're
like two years into their business and they're like, well,
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I haven't made consistent money yet, and it's like, well,
I think when we build a business, that's so like
we are the center of it. You know, we do
a lot. We do the marketing, we do the service providing,
we do the everything. It's challenging to still do all
of those things when you're in a low moment, and
I have those low moments every year. I deal with that.
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So I think the more that we can understand our
cycles and understand these transits and understand when maybe things
will flow more easily and when we need to sit
back and relax or have something else in place, the
better we can make decisions around our business and what
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we decide to promote or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That is. So yeah, totally, and for anyone else, because
astrology is one facet of my business, but I also
work with mental health. I'm a clinical hypnotherapist, and I
cannot do my job if I am not in my
top mental physical emotional, spiritual, and my chart has helped
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me do this. Of course, I still have moments where
I need to do self care for myself because I'm
a human. But I can't do my job if I'm
not also doing work on myself. So for anyone who's
and doesn't have to be dealing with mental health specifically
even a healer or any type of job that requires
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you to have strong mental agility, yeah right, it helps.
It helps you be the best version that you can be.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I would say mental agility, but also like awareness, right,
because you could be mentally strong and just blocking your
emotions and blocking like all of the stuff. But it
is holistic and we do as people who are healers, coaches,
like therapists, anyone in this industry. It's not an easy
industry to be in because you have to be at
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the top of your game. You can't just show up
to a client and be like mentally emotionally checked out.
It just it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So yeah, no, and then that's doing your clients a
disservice and that's not fair.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So my next question is I think we can do
something fun. So I'm going to start by saying that.
So Jen and I were doing some work on one
of her I was helping you with your marketing for
one of your programs, which we'll talk about in a
little bit last year, and on one of our calls.
Because I always like together as much information as possible.
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It helps me with the writing process. It helps me
understand your industry, your tools, your gifts, like what it
is that you do and why it's helpful. And I
remember because the best way that you can explain something
is sometimes by like actually using a real life example. Right,
So you pulled up my chart and Jen looks at
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my chart and she's like, Lauren, are you moving? And
this is back when Alexis and I had been having conversations.
We had been having conversations for like a year, and
we're like, we don't fit in here anymore. There's something
else out there. We were sensing a move, but we
didn't know where we were landing yet. So we had
talked about a couple different places in Mexico, and then
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we visited Montreal for the second time and Alexis, I think,
was like, we should just go to Montreal, right, And
I don't even think we knew that we were going
to Montreal. But at that stage we were in conversation
and it was really giving me a lot of anxiety
because I was like, I feel comfortable here, I feel
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like my best self in Mexico, and I don't want
to think about moving because that's scary and big, and
I don't think I'm ready on so many different levels.
And you said that, and I was like, holy shit,
Like that was just like a really big I mean,
it was so validating, right because it was like, Okay,
so something is shifting, and I remember you saying like
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you're either moving or something in the home is shifting,
And it was very clear to me that we were
going to be moving, but I was kind of hoping
that it was just going to be a shift in
the home, like maybe we're going to do renovations, but no,
there was nothing to be renovated. So do you want
to say something.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, because I was also going to say I don't remember,
because I know when we chatted about this, it was
kind of like and intertwined in what you were doing
with me, so you didn't spend a heap of time
on it. But I remember going to or saying to
you that just so you know, like when it happens,
it's going to happen quickly. Yes, And you were like, yeah, ready,
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what do you mean? Yeah, then I'll let you tell Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
So then we actually ended up because Alexis and I
had been talking about it and going through it, and
it was creating a lot of internal anxiety for me,
the idea of moving and then moving back to Canada,
where everyone was like, it's more expensive here, you have
to speak French, you have to do this, and you
have to do this and it's cold. Yeah, And what
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I know about myself is like, those things don't really matter.
I always find a way if like I'm meant to
be somewhere, that is where I meant to be, and
the rest will work itself out, you know. But it's
sometimes hard to wrap your head around that. It's sometimes
hard to embody that when you have other fears or
when things don't always make sense in your mind. Right.
(32:25):
So we actually ended up doing a reading. Alexis and
I did a reading and that was kind of like
a special arrangement for us. How about that, Yeah, you
did a reading for us, and so you covered some
of Alexis's transits and my transits, and it was super helpful.
But yeah, I think my question is how can someone
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use astrology to help them live a more aligned life.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, I also think that this is a good example
just to share, like how things differ between charts. So
both of us were in a position at that time
of experience and I just shared I'm just kind of
coming to the tail end of it around moving. But
the planet, which for me was Pluto, that was going
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over the same part of my chart as Laura Ashley,
Pluto is so slow for me. For her it was Uranus,
which is why it's a lot quicker. And although they
are both subconscious planets that do brain change, Pluto is
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a very slow process because it has to do with
shifting and excavating of the old to make way for
the new. The best way that I described this is
like Pluto is like a volcano where it doesn't erupt
right away, but things are happening, and then it does
erupt and I just got through bumps again as they
said that. But it does erupt and then the lava
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comes down, and then it's slow and you don't know
when it's going to start. Urinus is like an earthquake.
It happens, it is quick, it is impactful, and then
it's over. So this is a real life example of
how everyone's chart is unique and there are so many
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layers available to you of granular specific guidance that will
help your life. That is outside of your sun signed
horoscope in the back of Cosmo. If people still read
that it.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Still exists, I don't even know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I don't even know. If anyone was wondering if I'm
a millennial, you now know.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Both of us just revealed our age.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So I have a very practical approach to astrology and
I will never live my life through lack through astrology
based on if something's coming up challenging or let it
dictate my life. My intuition is also always a huge
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part of it, and astrology is here as a guidance tool.
But the thing is is that you have to co
create with it. Right So, even with these eclipses that
are happening right now, we are in the eclipse of
Vortex right now, And what I mean by that is
we are in the middle between the solar and the
lunar eclipse. The lunar eclipse is on September seventeenth, and
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the solar is coming on October second, and it is
this massive time of transformation when I look back at
a lot of the things like life trajectory changing things,
and this was not planned. This was without me realizing
were on eclipses. I moved to New Zealand on an eclipse.
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I left my corporate career on an eclipse, and this
was me also going back and looking at dates. I
felled down that rabbit hole and I was like, holy shit,
started my business on an eclipse. There was a significant
growth point in my business on an eclipse. How a
relationship end on an eclipse? I won't start on an eclipse,
So there isn't it's not. I think a lot of
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times people fear, and I did. Used to be one
of these people where eclipses were coming and I was like, oh,
I'm not ready, what's happening? The change is coming, like
you know. And the only reason you have something to
fear within eclipse season is if you are trying to
force something to stay the same when it has already
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run its course and you are getting very queer signs
that it's time to move on to something different. And
as humans, we don't always like that. Pretty much up
the front of the line with that one little stubborn
tourists that I am. But when you lean into the
opportunities that you are being given and co create with
this energy the most beautiful, magical things. If someone would
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have told me even this time two years ago, oh yeah,
like you're you know, you're gonna have a home in
New Zealand, You're gonna have a home in Canada. You're
gonna go to Indo on a one way ticket and
figure it out, I'd be like, oh God, no, I'm
not I'm not doing that. I want one home. I
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will have one home and then I will figure everything
else out. So it was not part of my plan.
But oh my god, is this not? Like I say
this all the time on my socials. Astrology has helped
me completely catapult into my dream life that I didn't
even know was available to me like this. None of
this was part of my plan, none of it. And
(37:34):
I still wake up some days. And I'm not saying
I don't have to navigate adversity because I'm human and
I'm here in the trenches with you, and of course
I do. But I wake up every day. I think
the theme of this podcast is going to be me
getting goosebumps as validations. But I wake up every.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Day and get goosebumps the title that's the episode.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
But I wake up every day and I'm like, I
love going to work. And if I'm having a bad day,
and this has been something that's come through really recently
for me, is if I'm having I've had a couple
of bad days and I've had clients in the afternoon
and I was that's what I'm looking forward to working
And I'm like, what life is this? What life is this?
That I just have a one way ticket to anywhere
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I want in the world and I can just figure
out how it goes because I have location freedom. And
my chart was a huge part of me getting to
this point helped me with my business. There are key
points in your chart that will show you business cycles,
your strength, where you'll be successful. I have a cancer midhaven,
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which has to do with where I'll be successful in
work and how and what will make me happy. And
that's a huge part of why I didn't like working
in corporate because cancer is nurturing and supportive and creates
a safe place for people, and that's counseling that's not
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sitting in a bullpen in a high volume sales environment
with crappy energy all around you. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, yeah, definitely my is it mid Haven or mid Heaven?
I keep hearing it different ways, Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Mid Haven, I say mad Haven. But you know, I
also wonder sometimes I do say things wrong because my
astrology teacher is Kiwi is a New Zealand and sometimes
I hear things in her accent and then i repeat
it in a Canadian accent, but I'm not saying it right.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
That makes so funny.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, so but you can just say mc, let's look
at where.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Your emc is mine is in scorpio.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
So if you want to talk about she's laughing at.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
My reaction, I mean, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
So I feel like there's two ways that scorpio can go.
One is police firefighter. Yeah, anything that is under I
swumps again, anything that is under like high pressure, hype scenarios.
And I laugh because I used my sister's chart as
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a case study, and she's a police officer in attack unit,
tacked unit, like a really high stress, high profile job.
And I was laughing like I could never do what
she does, and my teachers like, respectfully, Jen, we don't
want you doing what she does, Like we don't want
you showing up at the crime scene.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You would be like crying your eyes.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like completely, and then I'd also be like, but wait,
who's going to be there, Like who's going just to
prepare to walk into the situation. And but for her
it works. So we all have these different strengths in
our chart. But the other thing with Scorpio is also
the mysticism and the getting to the root cause and
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digging deep into layers. And from what I know about
working with you, Lauren Ashley, and also just what I
see on your socials, like nothing is superficial or fluffy.
You're breaking it back, you're peeling it back. Even look
at how you've been able to dig deep into the
layers and share within your own life and it works
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for you and it doesn't come off as I mean,
let's be honest, or I'll just stay from my perspective.
I'm not going to put words in anyone else's mouth,
but I roll my eyes a lot of times when
I see people with businesses account business accounts, and they're like,
to be honest, today was a really hard day and
this is why. And I just because I work with energy.
(41:39):
I just know you just ticked a box of needing
to post something vulnerable so you can relate to people.
And I don't feel that's what you do. Like I
feel like you share with a purpose, not because a
business coach told you that you had to have a
hard tell people you had a hard day today, Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Totally? And it's so interesting because what's coming up for
me right now, Like I just saw thread the other
day that was like, this is an unpopular opinion and
I might get some backlash for this, but you being
vulnerable and sharing like anything about how you're struggling is
causing money blocks, like people don't want to pay you
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essentially when you do that. And I was like, that
is so interesting because like I sent an email recently
about how I struggled, you know, in August and September,
and I usually do every year, which is fine, and
like it does it takes a lot of contemplation before
I put something out because I never want to put
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the wrong message out there. So I do think about
it and I do, like really sit with it. But
you're right, I think it does depend on who it is,
if your mid heaven or haven is not in that placement,
then maybe that's not what you're meant to be sharing.
Maybe you're meant to like if if it's in Aries,
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maybe you're meant to be like I don't know, hyping
people up, or like if you're just baiting people or
burning shit to the ground, I don't know, or.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Or with Aries specifically, not so much focusing on the
vulnerable part, focusing on the actions that were taken when
you were feeling that way to move forward, and that
is where you're going to thrive, because that's Aries. It's leadership,
it is forward movement, it is it is the word
(43:35):
I want to use. We'll just stay with leadership forward
because I lost my thought train of thought and that
will work for Aries, right Whereas for me, I try
to share and be as vulnerable as I can, but
I definitely have more of a nurturing, gentle approach to
it versus this is what happened, and this is what
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I did, and let's go, bitch, we got it, you know,
Like that's just it's not my vibe. But for areas
it would work.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm. Yeah. So that's in some it's
that's what's so important. About getting to know yourself and
not succumbing to what everyone's opinions are online, right, like
even me if I say some sort of business advice online. Again,
it's not cut and dry, and I hate, I honestly
hate providing like advice online because it's hard, like you
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don't know who's watching, you know. I remember actually someone
told me, like, hey, what you said about something about
how we manifest. I believe that we manifest symptoms and
like the physical things that we face, our mental, spiritual, emotional,
and if we don't address those things, they become physical manifestations.
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And I remember someone who was in a very difficult
place at the time and they just recently shared this
with me, so I didn't know that they were going
through this, and you know, they were like, I felt
really hurt by what you said because what I gathered
was that it's all our fault. And I'm like, no,
that's not the message that I was trying to give
at all. But that's what can happen right when you
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are giving advice. And I mean, I still do because
it's kind of part of what I feel like business is.
But I think everything has to be taken so lightly
and has to apply to you. Right, So, like you
said earlier, if it doesn't resonate, if that's not floating
your boat, keep moving, because yeah, I mean generalized advice,
(45:35):
generalized horoscopes, they just they can cause more damage than good.
And also I believe sometimes that we need to look
at those things like if I'm feeling triggered by that,
like why is that? But anyway, I digress.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
I was just going to say to you to that point,
I feel like people are only able to respond. I
think it just speaks really to a consciousness level. If
you're at a higher consciousness and you're secure in yourself
and you're not coming from a victim mentality or looking
like from a place of jealousy or judgment, you look
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at that stuff and you're like, eh, not me. Yeah,
But if you're not there, and you are or even
you know, even it could just be like a moment
of you feeling really emotionally charged about something else and
then you see that and it triggers you and you're like,
but yeah, don't stop sharing that stuff. Yeah, because you're
never It's the same with me. You're never going to
please everyone. And as long as it's coming from an
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ethical place.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, definitely, Okay, so let me resenter over them. We've
talked about a lot of different perspectives and different reasons
why astrology is such a powerful tool and the different
ways that it can help someone in their life and
help them to live more aligned. I'm curious about because
(46:59):
I know for myself and I know for many other
people who I've talked to, they've gone and tried to
learn about astrology. I bought that big ass astrology book
and it's overwhelming. It's a lot of information. So what
tips or tools do you have for people who want
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to learn about astrology and they want to use that
tool as just a tool for empowerment and awareness and
all of that stuff, but they're struggling to understand and
use everything that is out there.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
What I don't recommend is chat GPT, just because we've
already talked about that. If I could go back and
do it differently, because I was that person who bought
that big ass book and felt discouraged and overwhelmed and
closed it and stepped away from learning for probably a
(47:58):
year because I was discouraged inwhelmed. If I could go
back and do it differently, I would have someone who
knows what they are doing, break down my chart for me,
give me a foundation, help me understand, and then from
there you start just chipping away at it and picking
small areas of your chart that you want to deep
(48:19):
dive into and learn more about. It's like anything else,
you wouldn't go to chapters, or if you're in the States,
Barnes and Noble and buy a book on brain surgery
and bring it home and expect that you're going to
learn how to be a brain surgeon without any support.
A lot of my astrology has been self taught, but
I've also studied formally for five years, so I think
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it's not trying to jump from the beginning to the
end and understanding that there are so many intricate layers.
That's probably the number one thing that I hear people
come back to me with, especially when I teach, because
I teach as well, is that I had no idea
that there were so many layers to this. So if
anyone is wanting to learn, I do have a ten
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week course called Applied Astrology that I have made very
easy to understand in bite sized pieces. Because I was
the person who was overwhelmed. Fun and easy, I will say,
because I'm part of it and I'm fun so obviously,
But for the first three listeners that come to me
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from this podcast that say that they are interested and
apply for applied Astrology, which you can apply for on
my website, and I'm pretty sure Lauren Ashley will drop
it in the show notes too, I will give the
first three people from this podcast and just tell me
you heard about it on the podcast at discount to
enroll in the course.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's amazing, And I worked with you to build out
all of that, right, so I got to hear about
the when I say all of that, the marketing, the
sales page, we worked on that together. And I've seen
a lot of and heard a lot about a lot
of the case studies and the results that people get
(50:05):
from learning about astrology and just using that tool in
their lives. And one of the biggest things that I
think I saw over and over again from your testimonials
is that you do make it easy to understand. So
if anyone listening would like to empower themselves with the
tool of astrology, then this would be a great option
(50:26):
to start to learn it. And I honestly think it's
a very affordable option. So yeah, so I will leave
that in the show notes. Something that actually I was
thinking of earlier that I forgot to mention that I
just want to leave listeners with is there's something that
we included on the sales page for Applied Astrology, and
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it's that I can't remember. You're going to remember the
words better because they're your words, but you can. It's
something about you can either be.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Dragged, oh, release or be dragged.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, And that's something that you say a lot too
right that you know the planets are kind of directing.
I guess our lives in certain ways, and you can
either surrender to that level of control and kind of
go with the flow there, or you can be dragged
through the mud and try to force your way through life.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
And this is because I have been dragged more times
than I would like to admit, and I did that
to myself, so I often do things the hard way.
And I do think this stems from being a trust
and having a predominantly trust and fixed chart where I
will dig my little hooves in. I do not want change,
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Like the pasture that I'm in could be on fire
as a little bull, and I can see one beside
me that's green, and there's other bulls there and they're
having a party, and I'm like, never been there before,
I know this fire. I'm staying here. And because I
know some of the lowest moments in my life were
self conflicted because of things like this, I want to
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help other people realize that they don't have to feel
that way, and they don't have to live that way
in life doesn't have to be hard. Yeah, and yeah,
it's something that I am really passionate about.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
So yeah, I know I love that because I'm all
about that as well. You know, Like I think I've
said it so many times, but society teaches us to
be a certain way, and I think there's maybe that
works for some people. I don't know, but it doesn't
work for me. It just doesn't. I used to be
a planner. I talk about this story all the time,
how I had a five year plan on a sticky
note and my colleague was like, that's great, Lauren. God
(52:36):
doesn't care about your plans. And that friend turned into
one of my clients and colleagues now, which is really cool.
But yeah, it's just it's so true, you know that,
I think as humans, we come here to learn and
to experience life. And sometimes on the outside it looks
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like life can be pretty cut and dry, that we
can make plans and set goals and achieve them and
it should go to according to plan. But I think
there's something that so many like teachers in the world,
so many business mentors, so many people just miss out on,
and that is the mystery of life that we can
never fully even understand or grasp. And tools like astrology
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I think can make it easier to go with those
those ebbs and flows and to to just kind of
lean into that mystery, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
I do, I do, and I think that it's okay
to have a plan but also realize that there could
also be a higher plan. Yeah, and be open to
that too.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah. Yeah. I always say make a plan, but be
open for it to you know, change. You got to
be flexible enough to kind of move with things exactly,
move with the flow of life and go with what's
coming up. So yeah, I love this conversation. Thank you
so much for coming and sharing about astrology with us.
I really appreciate it. I'm going to link your socials
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below and then the link to apply to astrology. Is
there anything that you want to leave our audience with
before we sign.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Up, I am going to leave you with something that
you may have heard me say before, is that the
planets do not lie. And if you are looking for
some type of support that has, in my experience, an
unparalleled level of intricate accuracy than anything else, start working with.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Your restart amazing. Thank you, thank you, Thank you so
much for tuning into the podcast today. If you like
what you heard, I would love it if you left
a review. If you like my vibe, come and hang
with me in my Facebook or Telegram group. I'll drop
the link to my email list below, or you can
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get instant access. Make sure you check the show notes
for any other links that I mentioned today, and until
next time, I'm sending you waves of abundance. It's
There is so much information in your chart that can
help you on a granular day to day level to
feel better, to tap into your strength, to make life
feel easier or aligned, or make more sense.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome to the Aligned and Magnetic Podcast. I'm your host,
Laura Ashley, Intuitive business coach, certified by the International Coaching Federation,
and they call me the Money, Mindset and Manifestation Queen.
I take a spiritual and practical approach that's backed by
neuroscience to help you make your vision a reality, but
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more importantly, doing it in a way that lights you
the fuck up. If you're ready to create an aligned, magnetic,
and profitable business so you can live a life and
do the work you are absolutely in love with, you're
in the right place. Get ready to hear the powerful
question and raw lessons that you need to create success
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your way. Thank you so much for being here. Let's
dive in, Hi, Hi Love. Welcome back to another episode
of the Aligned and Magnetic Podcast. Today we have an
amazing guest, Jennifer from Ocean and Oracle SO. Jennifer is
an astrologer and clinical hypnotherapist with over ten years of
experience in her field. Using the power and knowledge of
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astrology paired with rewiring the subconscious mind, she assists her
clients to catapult forward into a life that they love.
Jennifer supports clients all over the world and is beyond
passionate about helping them reach their desired goals and then some.
And so jen also has her own podcast called The
Ocean and Oracle Podcast. You have to go check that
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out because you talk about all things astrology, all things
like the mind and all of that stuff as well. Right,
it's amazing. And you may have also heard another interview.
We interviewed you like two years years ago, I think
on the podcast in season one, which is wild to
think back, like two years already has passed, so that's crazy.
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So today we're going to be talking mostly about astrology.
So welcome to the podcast. I'm super excited to dive in.
My first question is what is the biggest misconception that
you see or are aware of when it comes to astrology.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Where to start with this question.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
There's probably like ten or more.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
This episode will be ten hours. The biggest thing is
I feel like astrology gets discredited a lot as the
horoscope in an inaccurate horoscope in the back of a
magazine and although astrology can absolutely be used for entertainment purposes.
And I'm the first one to laugh at memes that
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are on whatever social platform, especially the tourist ones. I'm
a tourist and all the memes that come up for
tourists are like napping with pizza, And I can't even
feel attacked, because like, that's what we are, you know,
we love it. But there is so much information in
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your chart that can help you on a granular day
to day level to feel better, to tap into your strengths,
to make life feel easier or aligned, or make more sense.
And it has been something if you follow me on
any of my platforms, you will know that my approach
this is very practical. And having said that, it has
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made such an impact on my life as someone who
has struggled with anxiety, depression, overthinking, self sabotage, all of it.
My chart was a huge part of what help to
me move out of that, not only move out of that,
but understand why I was feeling the way that I
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was feeling, and I was actually misdiagnosed with an anxiety disorder.
And it says probably about like oh my god, eight
to ten years ago. I'll say, and I'm not saying
that anxiety disorders are not very real because I also
work with a mental health and I know that they are.
(04:29):
But for me, it wasn't actually anxiety. It was overthinking
and it was part of my chart that helped me
kind of I want to just say, like, unravel why
I do that, Because when you go into Western medicine
and you list off how you're feeling, and the doctor
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basically just went like, you know, tik tik tik, yep, anxiety,
here's your medication. And I was on some pretty heavy
stuff twice a day that made me me just I
felt nothing. I was just like I don't even know
how to explain it, like a zombie. And coming off
of those meds because I didn't need them, I feel
like my life completely changed and I was able to
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be the person that I meant to be. I feel
like that was like a really well, I mean, this
is what we do. We go down rabbit holes when
you and I talk. But does that kind of answer
your question?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah? Definitely. Would you mind sharing and you don't have to,
but would you mind sharing what specifically in your chart
led to overthinking?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah? So the chart is broken down into different planets
or points.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So we have.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Personality planets, which are mercury venus. The Sun and the
Moon are in there, although they're luminaries not planets. We
have growth planets that show us and I just got
goosebumpless they said that. But we have growth planets which
are in our chart to show us significant areas of
opportunity of growth in this life. And then we have
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subconscious planets, which are the subconscious. They are the layers underneath,
and for me, they're all clustered in a certain part
of my chart, which has to do with me internally
and understanding why I was feeling the way that I
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was feeling. That it helped me. All I can say
is like a giant I'm just picturing like a giant
ball of yarn, and you know, like when you have
anything that's super tangled and you're trying to just pull
it and it just gets tighter, or even like a
nott in a necklace, and it could just help me
unravel all of that. Because there's no bad placements in
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a chart. Some placements are in a place of strength,
and we just come into this life not really having
to do much unlearning with them. But some planets are
placed in a part of our chart where we are
meant to grow and learn with them. And I've been
saying this a lot lately, so I feel like this
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is not just for me, but for other people too.
But it was a lot of unlearning and almost freeing
myself from myself, because the anxiety for me stemmed from
overthinking and building up scenarios that weren't happening, and then
(07:31):
living through that lens yeah, which can feel really debilitating.
So it was learning, It was validating to understand why
I was feeling that way, and then learning how to
tap into my areas of strength and work with those
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areas that needed a little bit of support to help
come out the other and essentially and not live in
that space of worst case scenario overthinking all that.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
It's so interesting because I love your metaphor of the
ball of yarn, right, and I think what I'm gathering
from this is, like every human being, there's obviously a
reason that anxiety exists, right, like it is real. And also,
I guess what I think I'm understanding is that astrology
really helped you to direct your attention to what the
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root of it was or like where you could maybe
shift your perspective and grow and expand. And I think
that from what I know about, astrology is going to
be different for every human being, right, Yeah, yes, And.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
That's probably another misconception honestly, is the generic.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Zodiac sign?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, if our charts are so intricate. I had one
of the clients that I had this week was like,
this is why I'm happy to pay you to do
this because this is so overwhelming. I had no idea
that there was this many layers. And with that, if
you're not a professional astrologer or you have not devoted
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time to learning, it's like anything else. You don't just
wake up one day and be like, oh I could
I'm just going to go into surgery to day because
I looked it up on the internet. So don't feel
overwhelmed that you don't know everything, because you're not meant
to know everything unless you've studied it or learned it.
(09:38):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Totally? And that just reminds me of what we started
talking about before we hit the record button, which was
that you someone came to and was like, oh, I
just used chat GPT for astrology. What are your thoughts
on that as you cranged.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I wish you could see my face. I've used chat
GPT because I was curious as AI and this stuff
is all coming to the forefront as I just wanted
to see what it could do. And because I know
what's accurate and what's not accurate, some of the stuff
that came up did hit and I was like, okay,
(10:17):
but some of it was wildly inaccurate from what I
know to be true. And I've been talking about this
a lot on my platform. How astrology isn't regulated. It's
a modality that's not regulated, meaning anyone can say anything
that they want. And this is why it's so important,
because our minds are so powerful. So if you're reading
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something that says whatever it says and that sticks in
your mind, just how we have the ability and I
mean preaching to the choir with you, but just as
we have the ability to manifest positivity into our lives,
we can also manifest negativity. So if you're reading something
that's not inaccurate and absorbing that, well, that's getting in
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the way of your magnetism and what you can bring
into your life. And on the other side of that
is I've had a lot of clients who've read like
generic horoscopes. I'll use one specific example where they were like, oh,
last month it said that Pisces was supposed to find love,
and I didn't. What am I doing wrong? So then
(11:25):
you get into the area where if you are reading
things that are promising, things that may or may not
be accurate to you, and you're holding out for that
and they're not happening because they were never accurate from
the beginning, Well, how does that leave you feeling not
really good? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I remember when I was younger and I didn't know
anything about astrology, and I would read the magazines. I
would always go and get I can't even remember what magazines,
but I would read those tiny teen people magazines Osma, yes, Cosmopolitan,
and then well, what are the other ones?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh my god, I'm seventeen.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yes I read that one. Oh my god, I forget
all of them, but I anyway, So I would read
my horoscope in there, and I would feel disappointed because
I would get so much hope for what my future
was about to bring and the love of my life
was going to come in and enter and whatever, and
then yeah, you get to the end of the month
and you're kind of like, huh that that kind of sucks.
(12:25):
But now what I know about astrology. And it's funny
because when I started university, all of my professors in
psychology because I did my undergrad and psych they were like,
in first year psychology, they were like, astrology isn't real.
It's blah blah blah blah blah, but psychology is real.
I'm like, oh, okay, So I bought into that idea.
(12:47):
But then as I just started learning about I got
credentialed as a coach and did that and then had
a huge spiritual journey in Mexico, I started to realize that, well, actually,
there's so many ane and what would you call it?
Like the Mayans used astrology, like all of these native groups.
(13:09):
I'm not saying the right thing, but in ancient times
they used astrology to plan different things, to do different things,
and all of that. So it just validated the modality.
And now I look at those horoscopes and everything, and
I'm like, how the heck can they even say something
as bold as a Pisces is going to find a love,
(13:31):
Like it just doesn't make any sense to mem, Like,
how did you draw that conclusion because it's such a complex.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Tool, and that's why I refuse to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I look at a lot of these other astrology accounts
that have larger followings than me, and a lot of
them are doing generic horoscopes per se. And I take
such a pride in not, to the best of my
(14:05):
ability spreading misinformation or false promises. Could I have a
larger following if I did that because it's clickbait? Absolutely,
but I can't, And.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I love that you stand in your integrity. You actually
mentioned something recently when we were chatting about the lions
Gate and how you challenge that. Do you want to
talk about that?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And got absolutely attacked. Yeah, I would love to. So firstly,
this is not from a numerology standpoint. I'm not a numerologist.
It is not my area of expertise, so I'm not
saying that there could not be some validity from that.
From a numbers standpoint, I don't know ask a numerologist,
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but the lions Gate portal has to do with the
sun in Leo and Serious, which is a star and
an alignment. So my question with this, when I saw
this Lion's Gate stuff coming up, was I just saw
(15:13):
blue jay fly outside the window, and I never see
blue jays, so I feel like that was some sort
of like stay true to you. Yeah, but it was
just why this alignment? Why this specific one? And I
know that serious is the brightest star in the sky,
like there is that, but why this specific one? And
it was something years ago that I asked my teacher
(15:37):
because she's very traditional, and I said, you've never taught this.
Why is everyone talking about it? She said the same thing.
It's an alignment. If we noted every alignment that happened
between a luminaria or a planet or a star, we'd
have every day. So why this one? And when I
started to do some research around it, there isn't really
anything that gates back. I don't remember exactly how many years,
(16:01):
but not a lot, and it never resonated. So for
years I never said anything, and this year I just thought,
you know what I'm gonna say. As a professional astrologer,
I do not see the validity in this. However, I
am not here to tell you what is right for you.
But you know, I always keep it real with y'all,
(16:22):
and this is my opinion. Take it, leave it, stay
true to you, and Oh my god, did I get attacked?
And it makes me laugh because I mean, I already
know you're never going to please everyone, and I knew
posting that up because it's an opinion, I was probably
going to get some kind of backlash. And you kind
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of have to have thick skin to post anything these
days that is of an opinion, because there's people that
will see it and if it doesn't resonate, just leave it.
And then there's the people. And I feel like these
are a lot of times the people that are not
strong within themselves or perhaps living from a victim mentality,
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that do feel the need to attack you for your
opinion when you are not attacking anybody else, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, And I appreciate you sharing this story because I've
even been going through it. I actually posted a podcast
episode on this recently, or maybe it's the one coming
out anyway about cancel culture. And my clients are afraid
to put anything out there because people are so quick
to cancel without any context, without any understanding of who
(17:37):
you are, Like they'll just see something and they'll be like, no,
you said blah blah blah, I disagree with you, and
it's just it's really sad to me to see how
much hatred and division and judgment there is in the world.
Like it really does hurt my heart. And also it's
scary because that is like it hurts. I'm not someone
who likes confrontation. So whenever someone has like something bad
(18:00):
to say about something or like whatever, I feel it
in my body. And so it's obviously that's something that
we can work on and to get you know, stronger
and thicker skin. But it is challenging. It's a challenging
thing to face, I think right now in the online world.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And not to like get really deep here, but there
are certain things that I will I mean pick and
choosing my battles because I'm not gonna drop my energy
on Jeff Ears. But there's certain things that I do
think there's a line with right and wrong, you know, racism,
I will say something, Yes, homophobia, I will say something
(18:38):
because this is human rights, you know. But someone wants
to post something on the Internet that says, yeah, right, amazing,
I'm so happy for you. Whatever works for you, that's great.
I'm not here trying to argue and change their mind.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, you know, yeah, but no, it's going beyond just
like standing up for ethical things. It's like personal attacks
and anyway, we could have a whole other conversation, but
I wanted to mention. I googled the meaning of a
blue jay and its strength, confidence and communication, so I
thought that was very re There you go, Okay, So
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what difference has astrology made in your life? I feel
like you've kind of touched on this, but feel free
to share more, or to share maybe like the biggest
I don't know the biggest thing that you've seen astrology
do for you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I think for me right now, because I don't think
there's like a simple way to answer this question because
there's so many things. But if I had to pick
one right now, this isn't my needle chart, So this
isn't me looking at like my specific birth chart. It's
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a transit that is happening within my birth chart. And
just to explain a little bit what I know by transit,
So we all have our natal birch art, which is
a snapshot of this guy the moment we took our
first breath, which is like our life hand book. But
obviously the planets and the points aren't just stuck there.
They're still moving so they move around your chart, creating
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conversations with the other planets or points, giving you areas
of growth or opportunity. And for anyone who has followed
along on my journey or if you're new to me,
I am Canadian. I've lived mostly in New Zealand for
the last five years. I did spend some time in California,
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spend some time in Fiji. I am about to embark,
Oh my god, like a week and a half I
think now, on a journey to Asia to Bali. I
have a one way ticket, and as a tourist, this
is not easy for me. Just disclaimer. I am like
a stable, stability plan type person. So for me to
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get like a one way ticket and be like, we're
just going to figure it out, like this is growth
within myself. But because I've been moving around so much
and I've really been wanting to figure out where I
meant to be, just to kind of have a home base,
stop living out of suitcases. At this point, I have
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stuff in three different countries that I've just left because
I've accumulated and can't keep bringing it with me. So
I go back and basically have a life there of
things already and I have a transit that is going
over a part of my chart, and it's a longer transit.
Some transits move very quickly, some take years. So I
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have a transit I'm coming out of it now and
it's been four and a half years, and it's going
over a part of my chart that has to do
with home and where I belong. And I think that
this would have been very hard for me to not
understand and why I and this is the internal dialogue
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that I've had sometimes why I can't accomplish a simple
task of finding roots, but knowing that this transit has
me moving, and whether that be because I haven't figured
out where I meant to be long term yet, or
there is someone that I meant to meet along this
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journey and then I will land somewhere. It helped me
lean into not worrying and I'm not saying I still
don't want that, or I'm not putting the energy out
that I am going to find my home base and
I will still travel because that's a huge part of
who I am. But it's helped me to not stress
out about it and feel I don't just see like
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shitty about it, because if it's something that you can't
figure out, and it weighs on you. I know, we've
all had these types of scenarios where we want something
so bad and it's not happening. It's all you can
think of. It's just helped me lean in and enjoy
the moment and be okay with purchasing a one way
ticket to Bali with no plan. Basically I'm landing, that's
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my plan, and know that everything's going to be okay,
everything's going to unfold, and instead of looking at it
through the lens of fear, looking at it through the
lens of opportunity. Because if I haven't found that home
base yet, I kind of have a funny feeling of
where it is and I've already been there. But I
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will not going to spoil everything. Will unravel that to
you as it comes. But it's just helped me enjoy
being where I am and not worrying about step nine,
ten and eleven when I'm on step one.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You know, Yeah, it sounds to me like it helps
to let go of like the roumin nation and the
self criticism around and I go through that all the time,
right Like I remember, before discovering human design for me,
I was like I'm trying all of these fucking business strategies.
I've been doing this for two years. Why isn't this working?
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And it just it helps to give you, I think,
that validation of like you know, you're not maybe meant
to do those strategies, or you're meant to be this way,
or you're meant to, I don't know, shine your light
like this, and this is who you are. It's like
a remembrance of who you are, so you can stop
banging your head against the wall and trying to fit
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into the same box that society tries to put people in, you.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Know, totally and from a business standpoint, through my chart,
I have been able to identify business cycles. So before this,
there would be times where I would be so busy
with minimal effort. And when I say minimal effort, I
mean I've already had my business fundamentals and that's the
(24:58):
word I want to use, like foundation in place, but
I haven't had to do much selling. Yeah, And then
there are times where I go through these lulls. And
before I understood this, I mean Laura Ashley and I
have had conversations or I just haven't said it in
these words, but just like I'm burning it all the ground,
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it's not working. And it's just helped me understand that
my business is going to come in these ebbs and flows,
and if it's time, if it is a time that
is in a lower time, that that's my time to rest,
not my time to burn out trying to like force
a circle into a square. So from a business standpoint,
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that's helped a lot too.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And then you can also, yeah, then you can plan
for that rest too, right, Like you can plan for
you know, maybe you could expect yourself to not do
as much as you were doing before because financially your
things look a little bit different. And I think this
is so important to understand, and I I just want
to highlight because with all of the marketing that is
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done online, and this is something that I constantly have
to face myself. There's so much marketing around creating consistent
this much months, creating consistent this much months, and I've
been able to do that, and still there are still
ebbs and flows. Like I don't know that any business can.
(26:31):
There's always going to be moments where you know, one
month it's really really good, one launch is really amazing,
and then maybe things shift right, and that's kind of
part of business. And I think it can get easier
as you go on. But I just know that so
many people struggle with this narrative because you know, they're
like two years into their business and they're like, well,
(26:52):
I haven't made consistent money yet, and it's like, well,
I think when we build a business, that's so like
we are the center of it. You know, we do
a lot. We do the marketing, we do the service providing,
we do the everything. It's challenging to still do all
of those things when you're in a low moment, and
I have those low moments every year. I deal with that.
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So I think the more that we can understand our
cycles and understand these transits and understand when maybe things
will flow more easily and when we need to sit
back and relax or have something else in place, the
better we can make decisions around our business and what
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we decide to promote or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That is. So yeah, totally, and for anyone else, because
astrology is one facet of my business, but I also
work with mental health. I'm a clinical hypnotherapist, and I
cannot do my job if I am not in my
top mental physical emotional, spiritual, and my chart has helped
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me do this. Of course, I still have moments where
I need to do self care for myself because I'm
a human. But I can't do my job if I'm
not also doing work on myself. So for anyone who's
and doesn't have to be dealing with mental health specifically
even a healer or any type of job that requires
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you to have strong mental agility, yeah right, it helps.
It helps you be the best version that you can be.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I would say mental agility, but also like awareness, right,
because you could be mentally strong and just blocking your
emotions and blocking like all of the stuff. But it
is holistic and we do as people who are healers, coaches,
like therapists, anyone in this industry. It's not an easy
industry to be in because you have to be at
(28:57):
the top of your game. You can't just show up
to a client and be like mentally emotionally checked out.
It just it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So yeah, no, and then that's doing your clients a
disservice and that's not fair.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So my next question is I think we can do
something fun. So I'm going to start by saying that.
So Jen and I were doing some work on one
of her I was helping you with your marketing for
one of your programs, which we'll talk about in a
little bit last year, and on one of our calls.
Because I always like together as much information as possible.
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It helps me with the writing process. It helps me
understand your industry, your tools, your gifts, like what it
is that you do and why it's helpful. And I
remember because the best way that you can explain something
is sometimes by like actually using a real life example. Right,
So you pulled up my chart and Jen looks at
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my chart and she's like, Lauren, are you moving? And
this is back when Alexis and I had been having conversations.
We had been having conversations for like a year, and
we're like, we don't fit in here anymore. There's something
else out there. We were sensing a move, but we
didn't know where we were landing yet. So we had
talked about a couple different places in Mexico, and then
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we visited Montreal for the second time and Alexis, I think,
was like, we should just go to Montreal, right, And
I don't even think we knew that we were going
to Montreal. But at that stage we were in conversation
and it was really giving me a lot of anxiety
because I was like, I feel comfortable here, I feel
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like my best self in Mexico, and I don't want
to think about moving because that's scary and big, and
I don't think I'm ready on so many different levels.
And you said that, and I was like, holy shit,
Like that was just like a really big I mean,
it was so validating, right because it was like, Okay,
so something is shifting, and I remember you saying like
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you're either moving or something in the home is shifting,
And it was very clear to me that we were
going to be moving, but I was kind of hoping
that it was just going to be a shift in
the home, like maybe we're going to do renovations, but no,
there was nothing to be renovated. So do you want
to say something.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, because I was also going to say I don't remember,
because I know when we chatted about this, it was
kind of like and intertwined in what you were doing
with me, so you didn't spend a heap of time
on it. But I remember going to or saying to
you that just so you know, like when it happens,
it's going to happen quickly. Yes, And you were like, yeah, ready,
(31:39):
what do you mean? Yeah, then I'll let you tell Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
So then we actually ended up because Alexis and I
had been talking about it and going through it, and
it was creating a lot of internal anxiety for me,
the idea of moving and then moving back to Canada,
where everyone was like, it's more expensive here, you have
to speak French, you have to do this, and you
have to do this and it's cold. Yeah, And what
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I know about myself is like, those things don't really matter.
I always find a way if like I'm meant to
be somewhere, that is where I meant to be, and
the rest will work itself out, you know. But it's
sometimes hard to wrap your head around that. It's sometimes
hard to embody that when you have other fears or
when things don't always make sense in your mind. Right.
(32:25):
So we actually ended up doing a reading. Alexis and
I did a reading and that was kind of like
a special arrangement for us. How about that, Yeah, you
did a reading for us, and so you covered some
of Alexis's transits and my transits, and it was super helpful.
But yeah, I think my question is how can someone
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use astrology to help them live a more aligned life.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, I also think that this is a good example
just to share, like how things differ between charts. So
both of us were in a position at that time
of experience and I just shared I'm just kind of
coming to the tail end of it around moving. But
the planet, which for me was Pluto, that was going
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over the same part of my chart as Laura Ashley,
Pluto is so slow for me. For her it was Uranus,
which is why it's a lot quicker. And although they
are both subconscious planets that do brain change, Pluto is
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a very slow process because it has to do with
shifting and excavating of the old to make way for
the new. The best way that I described this is
like Pluto is like a volcano where it doesn't erupt
right away, but things are happening, and then it does
erupt and I just got through bumps again as they
said that. But it does erupt and then the lava
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comes down, and then it's slow and you don't know
when it's going to start. Urinus is like an earthquake.
It happens, it is quick, it is impactful, and then
it's over. So this is a real life example of
how everyone's chart is unique and there are so many
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layers available to you of granular specific guidance that will
help your life. That is outside of your sun signed
horoscope in the back of Cosmo. If people still read
that it.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Still exists, I don't even know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I don't even know. If anyone was wondering if I'm
a millennial, you now know.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Both of us just revealed our age.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So I have a very practical approach to astrology and
I will never live my life through lack through astrology
based on if something's coming up challenging or let it
dictate my life. My intuition is also always a huge
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part of it, and astrology is here as a guidance tool.
But the thing is is that you have to co
create with it. Right So, even with these eclipses that
are happening right now, we are in the eclipse of
Vortex right now, And what I mean by that is
we are in the middle between the solar and the
lunar eclipse. The lunar eclipse is on September seventeenth, and
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the solar is coming on October second, and it is
this massive time of transformation when I look back at
a lot of the things like life trajectory changing things,
and this was not planned. This was without me realizing
were on eclipses. I moved to New Zealand on an eclipse.
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I left my corporate career on an eclipse, and this
was me also going back and looking at dates. I
felled down that rabbit hole and I was like, holy shit,
started my business on an eclipse. There was a significant
growth point in my business on an eclipse. How a
relationship end on an eclipse? I won't start on an eclipse,
So there isn't it's not. I think a lot of
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times people fear, and I did. Used to be one
of these people where eclipses were coming and I was like, oh,
I'm not ready, what's happening? The change is coming, like
you know. And the only reason you have something to
fear within eclipse season is if you are trying to
force something to stay the same when it has already
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run its course and you are getting very queer signs
that it's time to move on to something different. And
as humans, we don't always like that. Pretty much up
the front of the line with that one little stubborn
tourists that I am. But when you lean into the
opportunities that you are being given and co create with
this energy the most beautiful, magical things. If someone would
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have told me even this time two years ago, oh yeah,
like you're you know, you're gonna have a home in
New Zealand, You're gonna have a home in Canada. You're
gonna go to Indo on a one way ticket and
figure it out, I'd be like, oh God, no, I'm
not I'm not doing that. I want one home. I
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will have one home and then I will figure everything
else out. So it was not part of my plan.
But oh my god, is this not? Like I say
this all the time on my socials. Astrology has helped
me completely catapult into my dream life that I didn't
even know was available to me like this. None of
this was part of my plan, none of it. And
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I still wake up some days. And I'm not saying
I don't have to navigate adversity because I'm human and
I'm here in the trenches with you, and of course
I do. But I wake up every day. I think
the theme of this podcast is going to be me
getting goosebumps as validations. But I wake up every.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Day and get goosebumps the title that's the episode.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
But I wake up every day and I'm like, I
love going to work. And if I'm having a bad day,
and this has been something that's come through really recently
for me, is if I'm having I've had a couple
of bad days and I've had clients in the afternoon
and I was that's what I'm looking forward to working
And I'm like, what life is this? What life is this?
That I just have a one way ticket to anywhere
(38:18):
I want in the world and I can just figure
out how it goes because I have location freedom. And
my chart was a huge part of me getting to
this point helped me with my business. There are key
points in your chart that will show you business cycles,
your strength, where you'll be successful. I have a cancer midhaven,
(38:38):
which has to do with where I'll be successful in
work and how and what will make me happy. And
that's a huge part of why I didn't like working
in corporate because cancer is nurturing and supportive and creates
a safe place for people, and that's counseling that's not
(39:00):
sitting in a bullpen in a high volume sales environment
with crappy energy all around you. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, yeah, definitely my is it mid Haven or mid Heaven?
I keep hearing it different ways, Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Mid Haven, I say mad Haven. But you know, I
also wonder sometimes I do say things wrong because my
astrology teacher is Kiwi is a New Zealand and sometimes
I hear things in her accent and then i repeat
it in a Canadian accent, but I'm not saying it right.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
That makes so funny.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, so but you can just say mc, let's look
at where.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Your emc is mine is in scorpio.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
So if you want to talk about she's laughing at.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
My reaction, I mean, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
So I feel like there's two ways that scorpio can go.
One is police firefighter. Yeah, anything that is under I
swumps again, anything that is under like high pressure, hype scenarios.
And I laugh because I used my sister's chart as
(40:12):
a case study, and she's a police officer in attack unit,
tacked unit, like a really high stress, high profile job.
And I was laughing like I could never do what
she does, and my teachers like, respectfully, Jen, we don't
want you doing what she does, Like we don't want
you showing up at the crime scene.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You would be like crying your eyes.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like completely, and then I'd also be like, but wait,
who's going to be there, Like who's going just to
prepare to walk into the situation. And but for her
it works. So we all have these different strengths in
our chart. But the other thing with Scorpio is also
the mysticism and the getting to the root cause and
(40:55):
digging deep into layers. And from what I know about
working with you, Lauren Ashley, and also just what I
see on your socials, like nothing is superficial or fluffy.
You're breaking it back, you're peeling it back. Even look
at how you've been able to dig deep into the
layers and share within your own life and it works
(41:18):
for you and it doesn't come off as I mean,
let's be honest, or I'll just stay from my perspective.
I'm not going to put words in anyone else's mouth,
but I roll my eyes a lot of times when
I see people with businesses account business accounts, and they're like,
to be honest, today was a really hard day and
this is why. And I just because I work with energy.
(41:39):
I just know you just ticked a box of needing
to post something vulnerable so you can relate to people.
And I don't feel that's what you do. Like I
feel like you share with a purpose, not because a
business coach told you that you had to have a
hard tell people you had a hard day today, Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Totally? And it's so interesting because what's coming up for
me right now, Like I just saw thread the other
day that was like, this is an unpopular opinion and
I might get some backlash for this, but you being
vulnerable and sharing like anything about how you're struggling is
causing money blocks, like people don't want to pay you
(42:20):
essentially when you do that. And I was like, that
is so interesting because like I sent an email recently
about how I struggled, you know, in August and September,
and I usually do every year, which is fine, and
like it does it takes a lot of contemplation before
I put something out because I never want to put
(42:44):
the wrong message out there. So I do think about
it and I do, like really sit with it. But
you're right, I think it does depend on who it is,
if your mid heaven or haven is not in that placement,
then maybe that's not what you're meant to be sharing.
Maybe you're meant to like if if it's in Aries,
(43:04):
maybe you're meant to be like I don't know, hyping
people up, or like if you're just baiting people or
burning shit to the ground, I don't know, or.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Or with Aries specifically, not so much focusing on the
vulnerable part, focusing on the actions that were taken when
you were feeling that way to move forward, and that
is where you're going to thrive, because that's Aries. It's leadership,
it is forward movement, it is it is the word
(43:35):
I want to use. We'll just stay with leadership forward
because I lost my thought train of thought and that
will work for Aries, right Whereas for me, I try
to share and be as vulnerable as I can, but
I definitely have more of a nurturing, gentle approach to
it versus this is what happened, and this is what
(43:56):
I did, and let's go, bitch, we got it, you know,
Like that's just it's not my vibe. But for areas
it would work.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm. Yeah. So that's in some it's
that's what's so important. About getting to know yourself and
not succumbing to what everyone's opinions are online, right, like
even me if I say some sort of business advice online. Again,
it's not cut and dry, and I hate, I honestly
hate providing like advice online because it's hard, like you
(44:25):
don't know who's watching, you know. I remember actually someone
told me, like, hey, what you said about something about
how we manifest. I believe that we manifest symptoms and
like the physical things that we face, our mental, spiritual, emotional,
and if we don't address those things, they become physical manifestations.
(44:47):
And I remember someone who was in a very difficult
place at the time and they just recently shared this
with me, so I didn't know that they were going
through this, and you know, they were like, I felt
really hurt by what you said because what I gathered
was that it's all our fault. And I'm like, no,
that's not the message that I was trying to give
at all. But that's what can happen right when you
(45:11):
are giving advice. And I mean, I still do because
it's kind of part of what I feel like business is.
But I think everything has to be taken so lightly
and has to apply to you. Right, So, like you
said earlier, if it doesn't resonate, if that's not floating
your boat, keep moving, because yeah, I mean generalized advice,
(45:35):
generalized horoscopes, they just they can cause more damage than good.
And also I believe sometimes that we need to look
at those things like if I'm feeling triggered by that,
like why is that? But anyway, I digress.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
I was just going to say to you to that point,
I feel like people are only able to respond. I
think it just speaks really to a consciousness level. If
you're at a higher consciousness and you're secure in yourself
and you're not coming from a victim mentality or looking
like from a place of jealousy or judgment, you look
(46:12):
at that stuff and you're like, eh, not me. Yeah,
But if you're not there, and you are or even
you know, even it could just be like a moment
of you feeling really emotionally charged about something else and
then you see that and it triggers you and you're like,
but yeah, don't stop sharing that stuff. Yeah, because you're
never It's the same with me. You're never going to
please everyone. And as long as it's coming from an
(46:35):
ethical place.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, definitely, Okay, so let me resenter over them. We've
talked about a lot of different perspectives and different reasons
why astrology is such a powerful tool and the different
ways that it can help someone in their life and
help them to live more aligned. I'm curious about because
(46:59):
I know for myself and I know for many other
people who I've talked to, they've gone and tried to
learn about astrology. I bought that big ass astrology book
and it's overwhelming. It's a lot of information. So what
tips or tools do you have for people who want
(47:19):
to learn about astrology and they want to use that
tool as just a tool for empowerment and awareness and
all of that stuff, but they're struggling to understand and
use everything that is out there.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
What I don't recommend is chat GPT, just because we've
already talked about that. If I could go back and
do it differently, because I was that person who bought
that big ass book and felt discouraged and overwhelmed and
closed it and stepped away from learning for probably a
(47:58):
year because I was discouraged inwhelmed. If I could go
back and do it differently, I would have someone who
knows what they are doing, break down my chart for me,
give me a foundation, help me understand, and then from
there you start just chipping away at it and picking
small areas of your chart that you want to deep
(48:19):
dive into and learn more about. It's like anything else,
you wouldn't go to chapters, or if you're in the States,
Barnes and Noble and buy a book on brain surgery
and bring it home and expect that you're going to
learn how to be a brain surgeon without any support.
A lot of my astrology has been self taught, but
I've also studied formally for five years, so I think
(48:43):
it's not trying to jump from the beginning to the
end and understanding that there are so many intricate layers.
That's probably the number one thing that I hear people
come back to me with, especially when I teach, because
I teach as well, is that I had no idea
that there were so many layers to this. So if
anyone is wanting to learn, I do have a ten
(49:05):
week course called Applied Astrology that I have made very
easy to understand in bite sized pieces. Because I was
the person who was overwhelmed. Fun and easy, I will say,
because I'm part of it and I'm fun so obviously,
But for the first three listeners that come to me
(49:25):
from this podcast that say that they are interested and
apply for applied Astrology, which you can apply for on
my website, and I'm pretty sure Lauren Ashley will drop
it in the show notes too, I will give the
first three people from this podcast and just tell me
you heard about it on the podcast at discount to
enroll in the course.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's amazing, And I worked with you to build out
all of that, right, so I got to hear about
the when I say all of that, the marketing, the
sales page, we worked on that together. And I've seen
a lot of and heard a lot about a lot
of the case studies and the results that people get
(50:05):
from learning about astrology and just using that tool in
their lives. And one of the biggest things that I
think I saw over and over again from your testimonials
is that you do make it easy to understand. So
if anyone listening would like to empower themselves with the
tool of astrology, then this would be a great option
(50:26):
to start to learn it. And I honestly think it's
a very affordable option. So yeah, so I will leave
that in the show notes. Something that actually I was
thinking of earlier that I forgot to mention that I
just want to leave listeners with is there's something that
we included on the sales page for Applied Astrology, and
(50:46):
it's that I can't remember. You're going to remember the
words better because they're your words, but you can. It's
something about you can either be.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Dragged, oh, release or be dragged.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, And that's something that you say a lot too
right that you know the planets are kind of directing.
I guess our lives in certain ways, and you can
either surrender to that level of control and kind of
go with the flow there, or you can be dragged
through the mud and try to force your way through life.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
And this is because I have been dragged more times
than I would like to admit, and I did that
to myself, so I often do things the hard way.
And I do think this stems from being a trust
and having a predominantly trust and fixed chart where I
will dig my little hooves in. I do not want change,
(51:41):
Like the pasture that I'm in could be on fire
as a little bull, and I can see one beside
me that's green, and there's other bulls there and they're
having a party, and I'm like, never been there before,
I know this fire. I'm staying here. And because I
know some of the lowest moments in my life were
self conflicted because of things like this, I want to
(52:01):
help other people realize that they don't have to feel
that way, and they don't have to live that way
in life doesn't have to be hard. Yeah, and yeah,
it's something that I am really passionate about.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
So yeah, I know I love that because I'm all
about that as well. You know, Like I think I've
said it so many times, but society teaches us to
be a certain way, and I think there's maybe that
works for some people. I don't know, but it doesn't
work for me. It just doesn't. I used to be
a planner. I talk about this story all the time,
how I had a five year plan on a sticky
note and my colleague was like, that's great, Lauren. God
(52:36):
doesn't care about your plans. And that friend turned into
one of my clients and colleagues now, which is really cool.
But yeah, it's just it's so true, you know that,
I think as humans, we come here to learn and
to experience life. And sometimes on the outside it looks
(52:58):
like life can be pretty cut and dry, that we
can make plans and set goals and achieve them and
it should go to according to plan. But I think
there's something that so many like teachers in the world,
so many business mentors, so many people just miss out on,
and that is the mystery of life that we can
never fully even understand or grasp. And tools like astrology
(53:20):
I think can make it easier to go with those
those ebbs and flows and to to just kind of
lean into that mystery, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
I do, I do, and I think that it's okay
to have a plan but also realize that there could
also be a higher plan. Yeah, and be open to
that too.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah. Yeah. I always say make a plan, but be
open for it to you know, change. You got to
be flexible enough to kind of move with things exactly,
move with the flow of life and go with what's
coming up. So yeah, I love this conversation. Thank you
so much for coming and sharing about astrology with us.
I really appreciate it. I'm going to link your socials
(54:02):
below and then the link to apply to astrology. Is
there anything that you want to leave our audience with
before we sign.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Up, I am going to leave you with something that
you may have heard me say before, is that the
planets do not lie. And if you are looking for
some type of support that has, in my experience, an
unparalleled level of intricate accuracy than anything else, start working with.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Your restart amazing. Thank you, thank you, Thank you so
much for tuning into the podcast today. If you like
what you heard, I would love it if you left
a review. If you like my vibe, come and hang
with me in my Facebook or Telegram group. I'll drop
the link to my email list below, or you can
(54:50):
get instant access. Make sure you check the show notes
for any other links that I mentioned today, and until
next time, I'm sending you waves of abundance. It's
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