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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's going on? Everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to another episode of the Vafiles Reality Recap Edition.
I am your host, Nick, joined by my beautiful wife Natalie,
and I am happy.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
To report I well, I'm happy to report him feeling better.
I manifested the flu.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
It wasn't the flu.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I don't know either. I had food poisoning. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Last week I'm talking about wearing sweatpans, how it makes
me feel like I have the flu, and literally was
it a day later? Two days later, I don't know.
I was up all night puking my guts out, shivering
in like the sweats. And by sweats, I mean like
I was just my body was soaked in sweat.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I felt terrible. I was out for the count. I'm fried.
It was. It sucked, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
It was pretty brutal. So it like started with me, right.
I first, We're in the car going somewhere, and I'm like,
oh my god, like and I and I typically am
one to get like car sick, very on brand for me.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Now it can be a little little little nauseous Nelly,
you know, so sometimes we don't take her nausea.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'm anous Nelly.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
That seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sometimes it's like, you know, like we don't really clock it,
you know, we're not like, oh, stomach flew right.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
So Nick's driving, you know, already nauseous at the thought
of it, you know what I'm saying. And he's also
on like a phone call through the car, right, so
he's free. But and like if you ever heard Nick
on a phone call, I mean, God bless you, you
know what I'm saying. And so I'm in the car.

(01:54):
He's driving, you know how he drives. He's on the phone.
I'm nauseous.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
How I drive?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
And I'm like, oh, no, I don't feel very good,
Like I think, nope, yep, I'm gonna pew. I'm like
looking around the car, like what is there? Oh, there's
a towel from when we took the dogs to the
dog park. So I grabbed the towel from the back
seat and I just start puking into the towel. Next
he's like, I gotta go, I gotta go, I gotta

(02:21):
because I may have to pull over. Where do you
We're on the highway, and like, where the fuck are
you gonna pull over? Like what is happening? He pulls
off on the shoulder, open up the car door, continue
to puke. We get home and I'm like, Okay, I
feel like a little bit better. You know, I got all.
I didn't even have anything in my system. I was
just throwing up like nothing, you know, because I hadn't
eat and breakfast or anything. So then I was throwing

(02:42):
a vial vial.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Vial literally for me.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, no, no, no, but it's better.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Okay, gets better then.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know what, My best my best friend Chandliss was
in town and it was her last night with us,
and so Nick was like, oh, like, I'm going to
cook you, you know, like a good supper because it's
your last night with us. So he does like steak,
he does homemade mashed potatoes, he does broccoli, like, he
goes all out. And we're sitting eating and then Nick's like, oh,
like like really and he's like yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
So then he like gets.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Up very quietly, like doesn't make it a big fuss
or anything, you know, And I'm like, do I need
to go check on him? So I go back there.
He's like do not go in there, like, oh no,
like what happened? Like how did you miss tilt? Well?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I I so back in my track days. I just
threw up a lot. So like, I just I'm not
afraid of that, of the sensation of puking. Like I
don't love it.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I'm not saying I enjoy it, but like you know,
most people are just like aren't used to it. They'll
like suffer through that stomach pain until there's I just
go and I just go for it, and I went.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I threw up.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
There was a second immediate wave I was not expecting.
So as my head went up, cut came out and
I split the difference of the toilet and its splashed
all over the place.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Awful, guys, awful, awful. He comes out of the bathroom
to get something to clean it with and Chadlis is like, oh,
it's on his pants, my.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Slippers, it was on my pants.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Awful.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Then so while he's back there cleaning it up, Jeff
our dog starts dragging. Were like, so, then Jeff throws up.
Champs is like, I have to get the fuck out
of there. What is going on? It was kind of crazy,
like Jeff's puking, I'm puking, neck spuking. Crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
This all happened within five minutes.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Literally, Oh my god. So next week I have to
go lay down. River is still like very much present
in our lives during this time, and we're like, she's
just neither of us can really go up to her
room and like rock her for thirty minutes to get
her to go to sleep, so we're like, we'll just
let her sleep in our bed, like whatever. So she
sleeps with us and then we waked up. I'm sorry, Yeah,

(05:13):
I don't know how your night went because I was terrible.
I couldn't talk to him because River was like right
next to me, so if I talked, it would wake
her up. So I just kept seeing him get out
of the bed constantly, and I was like, hope he's okay.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, I just suffered by myself. I made no fuss.
I just got up and threw up multiple times with shivers,
which is so the.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Complete opposite of me. I remember when I was pregnant
with River and I was throwing up all the time.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I would be.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like like screaming from the bathroom floor to like come
in and help me and hold my hair back, and
Nick just puked and rallied. Was this the first time
that you both were sick having a River?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
It was actually I said, yeah, Is this the first
time we've ever been sick together.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, and it's definitely different being sick together.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
Yeah, Like do you were you guys just kind of
like taking turns with whatever, like having to put her
down for a nap or is like who's struggling less.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
At the moment, it was like whoever neighbor scissors? Literally,
whoever in that moment isn't gonna throw up? Was doing
and all this, well she left that she left Friday night.
Did she change her flight? That would have been like, no,
she was sleep Friday, projectile moment. Look, there's an opening tonight.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
But we're all fine, Fine, We're fine.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
God. It was definitely like, I mean, don't wear sweatpants.
But then the next day Nick were sweatshorts.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Double the two things you were.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
He was really feeling not too great, not like himself.
All my dams were like, oh my god, I've never
seen his legs. Literally, I don't know if I have either.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
What do they think of my legs?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
A lot of people are comparing you to Justin Bieber.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Justin's doing fine. He's making music, he's dropping albums, like
enough about me, Sierra. Uh, there's been a breakup in
the reality TV universe is has there not? I mean,
what's this is like breaking news as.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Of yesterday as le are you okay to be honest
like this?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
We we were all this was a friend of Kenny.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
According to the streets, Janay and Kenny have broken up,
and TMZ first to report this breakup.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Steed, the streets did get into it.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
Yes, no, people started noticing that Janey unfollowed Kenny shortly thereafter.
PPG has unfollowed and I believe Miguel and Cordell have
also unfollowed Kenny. But what we don't understand is what
happened from the night prior where Kenny and Janey were
at David Dobruck's birthday party and they were clearly having
a nice time drinking, dancing, and then the next day

(07:59):
this is this is what we woke up to.

Speaker 7 (08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Now, for those of you who haven't been to a
David Dobrick party, it is it is a influencer s'morgasport.
Oh yeah, it is anyone who is in the influencing
world in LA anyone who maybe just got off the
plane or people who've been there for years.

Speaker 8 (08:18):
It is.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
It is like the it is the new year's influencer
to Mac.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
It is David brings them all. Everyone's like, oh, it's
David Dobrick.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
We're all fans when we were kids, and it's a
he's got a very fascinating house.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
But yeah, I mean, I wonder if we're gonna I
feel like we need like do we need to call
Jane immediately?

Speaker 6 (08:37):
We need to call Jane And in the meantime I
will be stalking her tiktoks for any passive aggressive trending.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Sound passive aggressive. There's been so far aggressive.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
So far, there's been zero chill here again, like this,
this this couple went into the weekend together. They went
to this party together. There's footage of them at this
party together looking fine. The next day the entire cast
and friend group, including his boys, have unfollowed them. There's
no like let's just wait and see the dust.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Settling anything like that. There is a clear like make
moves now.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I don't know who confirmed the breakup, but it wasn't
like we're not confirming anything yet, Like I wonder who.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Did TMZ just say like a source confirms, I doubt
they Jane confirmed.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Do they pick up the cameras like I don't think clearly,
don't watch.

Speaker 9 (09:26):
I mean, we definitely need a season two now, any.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Chance, any chance?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
And I hate to even speculate that this is all
for the show.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I don't think so. I feel like because remember when
this super teaser came out and Janey was like kind
of pissed that they had like cut something together to
make it seem like her and Kenny were fighting about something,
and she like immediately cleared that up and she was like,
I'm not gonna have this like narrative. I don't think
she's like that. I think she's like a very genuine person. Yeah,
I agree.

Speaker 10 (09:58):
I think that if there was gonna be a couple
that would do some sort of stunt, it would.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Not be jene and Kenny.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
And we obviously had the pleasure of interviewing them shortly
after they came out of the villa. We loved our
conversation with them. They were I mean this was a
year ago, obviously it was fresh out of the villa,
but like they they both just they both seemed like
a very cute couple and just also as individuals, right
because like obviously these relationships that happened in the villa,
like there's just a lot working against these couples. There's

(10:25):
outside pressures they you know, they have to get to
know each other while also facing like this newfound fame,
very difficult situation. But like just the individuals that we
got to know in Jeanne and Kenny, we both just
had like just a wonderful, wonderful time and like again,
we don't know what happened. We don't want to really
get into the speculation of what happened. People are creating
distance from Kenny. That much is obvious, Like that's not speculation.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
So I think it's more telling that Janey deleted all
of the photos of he and Kenny, yeah, and took
him out of the bio, and Kenny removed Janey out
of his bio. I think are like too obviously. I mean,
I know people who who still have pictures of like
them and their ex from like twelve years ago on

(11:08):
their Instagram, you know, like they're like still, yeah, Nixtessa,
he's got it. I mean, you've got everybody on.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
I haven't gone back and just decide, you know, I
don't know.

Speaker 10 (11:17):
It just felt like, well it was actually it's funny
you guys mention this because I was looking back at
Juliana's Instagram randomly and like, I was.

Speaker 9 (11:24):
Just curious to see if she still had pictures of
Grant on there, and she does.

Speaker 10 (11:27):
Like I feel like people don't like go back and
delete things.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
If it's amicable break up. Yeah, no, this is this
is a clear reaction.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I mean, did like Matt, did Rachel k'connell and delete
all her stuff with Matt.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
I don't know if she did, but I think Matt.

Speaker 10 (11:42):
Like I looked at Matt because most it's all his
like food reviews and stuff. So like if he goes
back and deletes all these videos with Rachel, like his
page is not the same, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (11:53):
Wait, I have a question for you guys, what do
you do in this situation? You break up but your
entire brand is with them, do you wipe your page?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Also to answer that Rachel krconnell did not delete like
cute couple photos and things.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, well, am I Jane or am I Kenny?

Speaker 8 (12:08):
Because I'm not saying Jeanette, I'm not saying Jenny and Kenny.
I'm saying in general, you just like are in a partner,
Like you have brand partnerships with this person on your
page but you break up.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Do you think that, like Janey, the only one that
Janey didn't delete was like a brand deal with the
two of them.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, let's just keep it real here, like if if
Kenny stepped in it, if he did something he shouldn't
have done. Whatever this was, I mean, honestly doesn't have
to be much. I mean, like look at the Matt
and Rachel McConnell, Like we all like people treated that
like it was some sort of you know, Matt was
a bad breaker upper and maybe lacked some tack in
terms of how you went about breaking it up. But
ultimately he broke up with his girlfriend, which is like

(12:45):
last time I checked, still allowed to happen, and the
Internet lost their shit, and we're now in this time
where like a scorned person in a relationship at chi ching,
you know what I'm saying, Like that is the ari
as we as the Internet refers to as the Ariano
Mannix treatment. And like now Jane is potentially set up

(13:06):
for like just a windfall of brand EO's cash and money,
and uh, she's about to make it rain potentially.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I mean, she's gonna get that what what is it?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
The Bronni is up getting ready, like Bronni's already making calls.
So I again, I if you're Jena, maybe maybe this
is the again she is. Her star's about to not
be any brighter, and we thought her start couldn't get
any brighter.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
Than it was.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
But I just hope that I'm wishing them both the best.
I really hope that this is doesn't turn into some
scan of all I you know, but I'm worried for
what the fallout could be as more information comes out,
because the Internet never like operates with any type.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Of chill when it comes to this stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
And I hate to have to say it, but these
are you know, we are dealing with human beings.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
So let's just I hope, I hope this is such
a stupid thing to say that.

Speaker 8 (13:57):
People like treat them as human beings.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, because you know they're not going to anyway, so
we I'm sure this is a story that will continue
to unfold, will follow it. I would I'm curious if
you were going to see the cameras being picked back up,
if if Beyond the Villa does like a Broavo type
of thing, if this all of a sudden, if we get.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Reports of the season two pick up.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Certainly this is all happening while Beyond the Villa is airing,
so it'll all be fascinating. In some other news, I
don't know if you guys are following. We've had obviously
Spencer Pratt on this show before him and Heidi who
came on not too long ago to talk about the
very tragic incident that people not only them face, but
their parents, their entire community. The tragic La fires that
you know, had claimed many victims of people who had

(14:39):
their houses burned down. Even Spencer when he came on here,
talked about he you know, he is fighting the city
and the state. I don't know, I don't know anything
about all the hell that all stuff works. But lately
he has been very active on social It's been very fascinating.
I don't know about you guys, but like when when
these devastating, like tragic things happens, whether it's hurricanes or
fires or whatever, and they're always used to there's usually

(15:00):
some kind of natural response, some kind of big fundraisers,
celebrities come out perform, seeing there's these one hundred hotlines,
millions and millions of dollars are raised. I think there
was an event where like hundreds of millions of dollars
are raised for the victims of the LA Fires, and
they're always like, this is going to go direct to
the victims, and YadA YadA, and then like and then
the concert ends and people move on with their lives

(15:21):
and we all just assume that everything is happening as
it should, and it always makes you wonder, does that
really happen. Well, Spencer's out there like claiming that this
is not happening the way it should and that none
of the victims have seen any of this money, and
that he's getting into the weeds of where this is going,
and it's it's very fascinating, But I don't know if
anyone is following the story. I am, and I'm I'm

(15:42):
just rooting for Spencer and Heidi and the community of
the Palisades because these people deserve to be able to
build their homes back. If you are in southern California,
what happened with the LA Fires was just absolutely like terrible.
And to find out that like some of this hundred
million dollars that was raised, you know, these things called
ngngos that more and more people are becoming aware of,

(16:03):
and like this is like a nonpartisan thing. It should
not be partisan, you know, for victims of people who
have houses burned down, like get the money that like
was donated to them. But like it's it's crazy to
think that like these like organizations, when this money is raised,
will just get be sent to these random organizations that
have nothing, like they're like loosely affiliated with some kind
of thing that might have something to do with like

(16:25):
helping people who might be affected by fires, but not
the actual victims itself.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Anyone.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Spencer is like, I don't know if you've ever followed them,
He's a great follow in general, and he is on it,
and I wouldn't I wouldn't want to be going against
Spencer Pratt when it comes to these types of things,
but I I'm supporting him in his fight to help
all the victims of the LA fires, and I am
I'm definitely watching it closely, so we'll see what comes.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Of it as we move forwards. But it's a fascinating story.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, we also have a great episode lined up for
you momentarily. Jonathan Johnson of Bacheler in Paradise, your Bachelor's Sweetheart,
is with us to talk about being a nark kinda
he I mean, he definitely.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I wasn't very happy with his way of handling that situation.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
It was an interesting approach. Anyways, Jonathan is with us.
Many are loving him this season. He is having a
hard time on the beaches of Paradise finding love. We'll
find out why that might be with Jonathan. Also late
in this episode from your Real Housewives of Miami, we
have Gerti Abrera with us from the Real Housewives of Miami.
She returns the Vow Files fresh off her Celebration of

(17:32):
Life episode where.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
She decided to go full receipts.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
We have her to explain her motivations. It's very it's
giving very real Highest Waves of Atlanta, where it's this
is your party, this is your event, and you choose
it to spend that time to kind of like go
after one of your peers. From a TV standpoint, absolutely
loved it, just absolutely just wonderful, wonderfully entertaining. Really really

(17:55):
love it when someone just plays, you know, screenshots at
a party and you have like Nana and I were
talking about this yesterday, like the apps of best parties are.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I think when if you got guaranteed to go to.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
A party, like a house party, any party, and you're like,
at this party, it's like a New Year's Eve party.
There's going to be this great band, there's gonna be
great music, there's gonna be drinks flowing, and at some
point someone is going to get on a mic and
and post receipts. Oh I'm there of this, of a relationship,
a friend, some kind of fight, like you would you
would want to go to that party?

Speaker 7 (18:27):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, Now.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
What what if the guest wast was always at least
one hundred people? But to go to this party, you
had to basically sign a waiver basically like at any
given moment, like you could be the person that one
of the people at the party exposes, exposes.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
That would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's it's like party like receipt Rolette, receipt roulette.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
You know, just a party that you leave and you
like call your friends who you know weren't invited and
be like, we have to get lunch, Like I have
to tell you about this party I went to. The
craziest shit happened.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
That's an incredible idea, actually receive Roulette party.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Receive Roulette party. It's just like I'm not testing anyone
excuse me, can.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
We pull the music down? Actually? And is there the
projector all right? Anyways? Can you play the screenshots? And
then immediately it's just a bunch of text threads.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
Imagine like someone you think you're reconnecting with a friend
because they invited you to a party, like someone you
haven't talked to in a while, and then it turns
out it was one of those and they you just
in a while. It feels yeah, as Marisol would say,
to carry you, like incredible, incredible work happening on the
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This Wednesday at eight seven Central on MTV. The Challenge
is back for season forty one, but everything you know
about the game is about to change. Iconic Challenge legends
are pairing up with New Threats in an attempt to
win it all. Fan favorites from shows like Survivor and
Big Brother will enter the game as skilled rookies and
team up with those who know the challenge best season

(21:15):
vets like ct Car, Maria Bananas and Mark.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
The New Threats are observing everything these Vets say and do,
but in the end will they use it against them?
The Vets may know the game, but what the rookies
lack and experience they make up for in stamina and drive.
Can they work together and forge a new Challenge legacy
or will the New Threats take down the same mentors
who help raise them up. With brand new challenges, new
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it all, even cheaters.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Don't miss the Challenge Vets and New Threats new season
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Speaker 1 (21:49):
Jonathan, welcome back to the File File.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
It's good to be with you, buddy, happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Where do you want to start?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
You narking or I hated the way that you handled
that Oh Wow, she's.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Coming in hot.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I loved that you told Kat, but then I hated
that when Dale came you we should be like, dude,
just tell her what the fuck you said, you know,
but you're like, I'm gonna let okay.

Speaker 11 (22:07):
So what had happened there too, And what I don't
think was actually like portrait is I didn't remember clearly
where it had come from, So I was like, I
don't want to be like, oh, Dale said it if
I wasn't one hundred percent sure that that was the case.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
So you second guessed yourself in the moment.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Wasn't Jeremy lying that threw you off?

Speaker 11 (22:25):
I don't remember honestly heat of the moment. I think
they were just they were coming off a crazy night.
I came off of a date and just came into
it and overheard it, and I was like, that's not
a cool thing.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Like before we finished Nally's critiques of your execution of it,
I am just like, I think it's an interesting conversation
of like, you know, the bro code versus like I
think you were there for Cat. I love that, But
technically it was an arc. You definitely definitely told on Dale,
but if.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
He didn't remember that it came from Dale.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
But I'm just I am just wondering, like what's your
just And I'm generally curious because you seem like Jonathan
one of the good guys.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
You had Cats back, So like, what is your thought process?
It's twenty twenty five. I want to hear Jonathan Johnson's
just like bro code in terms of like how you
went through the process of like whether you heard it
from Dale?

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, like a bird came or like.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
The raccoon from season you know two of Paradise, Like
whoever told you that Dale wanted to fuck shit up
when it came to his relationship with Cat? Like what
made you go straight to Cat and be like.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
I heard akh Now I got a great answer for you.

Speaker 11 (23:29):
You bring up the term bro code, and that is
saved for people that I would have called ro and
I have nothing against Dale, but him and I weren't ros.
So Cat and I had built like a really strong
friendship at this point. You know, we didn't work out romantically,
but I was like, you know what, Like she's awesome.
I know she's doing so much better than she had

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been previously, and I want to make sure that she
gets through this in one piece and has like a
great outcome from the show. That being said, my loyalties
to her in this situation, you know what I mean?
So like I overheal overhear somebody that isn't my person,
my friend, whatever, say something about one of my others.
I'm going to let the friend that's closest to me.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Now, how would you have handled it? As if Dale
was one of your.

Speaker 11 (24:14):
Guys, I would have talked about it to his face,
like confronted him about it, be like what do you
mean by that? But that just wasn't my place too,
Like if it was one of my friends, for sure.
But dude, you're acting like an idiot right now, Like
why would you? And that's the thing is I would never.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
That makes sense, Like why associate with that conversation?

Speaker 10 (24:30):
You know, I've actually completely agreed with what you did there.
I was like so happy that you did that. I
was so glad that you pulled cadeside and told her
because like she had to know that he's been saying
this shit behind her back and him trying to defend
himself like he it's on camera, the receipt is right there.
He said what he said, and now he's trying to

(24:52):
explain to her that he said it a different kind
of way and it's not what he meant, and it's like, no,
that's bullshit, Like you literally said that. And I was
so out it Jeremy for lying. I thought that you
did the right thing. I was so glad that you
did that.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I was like, what was crazy was the fact that
you tell Kat again, I'm pro I did appreciate you
telling you.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
You were like, no, no, no, no. I didn't like how
you did that.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
I didn't like how when Dale came up and he
was like, what's going on? And Kat was like trying
to protect you by being.

Speaker 11 (25:21):
Like he didn't look at me once when he walked up,
like he just like walked up and like was tunnel
vision on Cat. And I was like, okay, well, I
have no purpose in this conversation. I was like, I'm
going to get out of here.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
I hear you piggyback off of Layout two because I
was like, I did like the fact that production had
your back, and they showed the clip of him saying it,
because it's like, at the end of the day, it
really doesn't matter. You said it, and it's like whatever
the intention behind it and how he said it was
exactly his kurt and gross.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
So I do want to give you props, Jonathan, because
like you nailed it like verbatim, unlike Jeremy, who, like
you said the you know, and it's very clear.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Oh that's what's fucked up is that. Jeremy's like Dale,
like she's she came over here and said, did I say,
did you say that that you're you want to go
on a date so that you can be toxic. I'm like, Nope,
not what she said.

Speaker 11 (26:12):
And see that's one of those bro Cone momozelle because
they were roommates and they were bros. And again that's
how I would have handled it differently. In his moment,
he goes, hey, I'm going to have my buddies back
and be like, no, that didn't happen for me.

Speaker 7 (26:23):
I would have handled it in a way.

Speaker 11 (26:24):
I been like, dude, don't say stupid shit like that,
Like this person like clearly has a lot of feelings
for you, was on the road to loving you, and
you're going to say something like that.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Question.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
So yeah, I didn't know that Jeremy and Dale were roommates,
but either way, Jeremy lied right like to Cat's phase,
it wasn't. So I'm curious what would be your notes
for Jeremy. Would you have handled it that way?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Would you have lied in the moment not known? Like,
how how do you think he could have handled that better?

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Wow? That's tough.

Speaker 11 (26:52):
It's it's tough because if it's one of your best friends, like,
you want to make sure that it's handled appropriately, but
you also want to make sure that comes from them.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Like if he did say that, like I would.

Speaker 11 (27:04):
Want to give my friend the opportunity to own up
to it directly rather than hear it from me and
then they have this whole freak out or whatever they
want to do in reaction to what was said. I'd
be like, Hey, you need to go tell them right now. Yeah,
because they're asking me and it clearly the word is spreading.
Go nip in the ass now and take care of
it and just be like, yeah, I said this, and
then let it be done with.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, because he was just fled out like he did
not say that.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
He could have been like, I think you should need
to talk to Dale and like whatever was said. I'm
I don't think he meant for it to come across
that way.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Maybe would have been the best for I don't know,
but he just lied. He just fled off and then
made something up.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
No. Then Jeremy's like, no, he didn't say that, Johnath.
Then you go see you guess, we'll see. I guess
I heard it wrong. I'm like, no, stick to your guy.

Speaker 11 (27:50):
You got guess that's what I was saying, is that
I didn't know exactly how I heard it. I guess
I repeated it verbatim. But in the moment, I was like, shit,
did somebody else say that?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
What's your read on Jeremy? I've heard that.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
You know, the guy seem to like him. He seems
like a bro. But yeah, he's had a couple of
tough moments this season, from confessing his love to Susie
and then like not telling Bailey about it.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Actually that never happened.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
There was a lot of franking biting in last night's episode,
so the if you guys, I don't know if anyone
picked up on it where it sounded like Jeremy was
saying that he.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Would propose to Susie, like if she came back.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
That like it was definitely that was definitely like some
very clever editing, like we just heard Jeremy's voice without
hearing his lips or you know, it's like it could
have been from anywhere. So I'm just going to discard
that completely as disingenuous or just editing.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Nevertheless, he definitely.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Poured his heart out to Susie uh and then tried
to forget it ever happened.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
And I'm just curious. It's just as someone who was
watching it, like we're watching.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It, because I'm assuming you didn't know about that call
in real time.

Speaker 7 (28:58):
No, I was like the one of the last want's
to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Like what's your read on him?

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Do you think he's a genuine guy and or do
you think he's two in the bro code arena.

Speaker 7 (29:08):
I think it's tough.

Speaker 11 (29:10):
And I was very isolated from a lot of the
stuff for most of the show because I was the
odd man out. You know, a lot of the couples
just kind of like meshed and they'd hang out in
the pool together and they'd do a bunch of things together,
and I'm just kind of like, yeah, so like I
didn't get to know that until it was further down
the road as far as like Jeremy is a friend,
Like I love Jeremy. I think he's a great friend

(29:32):
to me, good guy, and he's got a great heart.
But as far as watching this back, I think there's
things that he'd probably do differently as well, but I
don't know how to go about that differently. And again,
this is one of those scenarios, like how I was
saying with the Dale situation, you want to give your
friend the opportunity to say it straight up first and

(29:53):
own up to it. And I think it's something that
like once it edit happened, somebody should have told him, like, hey,
you need to go knit this the ass now and
just like let her know before it blows up.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I mean it's just like he like completely forgot that
he's on a television show with cameras with microphones. It's like,
you don't think they're going to play that shit back.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
As Like the moment for me with Jeremy was the
conversation with Brian where he's like, is your I'll tell
you when Mike's are off or whatever, and then tries
to like whisper about not being into Bailey or and
how he preferred Susie or whatever, where I'm just like, a,
do you think that he's doing this because or like
staying with Bailey because he just wants to carry on

(30:32):
to the next week to like see if somebody else
comes in, or like, did you feel like the connection
between Jeremy and Bailey was authentic?

Speaker 7 (30:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (30:39):
I mean so that's actually a great question because throughout
the filming of it, Bailey and I like had flirted
a little bit on and off too, and again, you
don't get to see every facet of every relationship, but
there reached a point where I was like, I'm not
even going to entertain this anymore because I love to
see my friend happy, and like anytime he was with her,
he was genuinely like giddy happy.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
And he's a pretty stoic guy, like he's just like.

Speaker 11 (31:02):
A, yeah, pretty cool all the time. Yeah, but like
when he was with her, it was like genuine it
was cute, and I was like, you know what, I'm
never going to try to get in a way of this,
Like he is just phenomenally happy with her. So I
think part of it was also fear. He's like I
don't want to ruin this great thing that I have
going on as well.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
So what was your reaction when you saw the conversation
with Brian, Like when you saw it back this past week,
I was.

Speaker 7 (31:24):
Like, well, I know how this plays out well, because
I didn't.

Speaker 11 (31:29):
I didn't find out until after it had all kind
of come to light, right right right.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
It just made me so upset for Bailey because I'm like,
I feel like she really genuinely has feelings for Jeremy
and also has no idea about the Susie situation.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, you think he would have been like, hey, listen,
I was really upset that you wanted to date with
someone else. And I panicked and I called Susane and
asked her to come back. She declined, Yeah, I still
like you, but I definitely want you to know I
made that call and I just want to be upfront
about that.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Done.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I will say the Brian and Parisa in the pool
was brutal. Brutal.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
I mean, she was like, what's your favorite color?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yes, I'm not, you're embarrassing, huh.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
He's like, first of all, he goes like this, He's like,
what's your favorite color?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
He goes, I'm not, I'm not going to answer that question,
and she goes something like why not, or like, immediately
just answer the question.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
You know, it's like, what's your favorite color?

Speaker 7 (32:26):
Red? Moving on?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
All right, immediately, You've already spent more time on the
topic that you want to You don't want to spend
any time on by just refusing to answer the question
and then getting in a whole philosophical debate about why
you don't want to answer questions about your favorite color.
It's just because you're like so deep and you want
to have meaningful conversations. I don't know about you, guys.

(32:47):
It just sounds like a real, real, kind of complicated way.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
For Brian to want to get lucky.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
He's like, I know, these are the type of conversations
that don't lead us to us taking our clothes off.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
So I don't know, but like, let's look into each
other souls.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
But starting a fight over what your favorite color is
definitely ends up to bedroom.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
And then he pouted over like the railing of the pool.
I was crazy, what's you read on Brian? Toxic?

Speaker 7 (33:12):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (33:13):
Man, I don't know this one. This one's toff too,
because I ended up being roomed with Brian, so getting
to hear things kind of behind the scenes, but also
like I don't want to hear like the negative thoughts
that may come out after those situations. I don't think
he communicates his feelings very well to be one hundred
percent honest. I mean, clearly you can't even say the

(33:34):
favorite color in that moment.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
But I don't know, he was very trick. I didn't
I didn't.

Speaker 11 (33:38):
Talk as much as like you would think you would
talk to somebody who's sharing a room with We just
kind of existed together.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
After the conversation with Jeremy, he was very like, I'm
definitely telling Bailey about this, Like he had no sense
of bro code towards Jeremy in that moment.

Speaker 7 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean she had a right to know though too.

Speaker 11 (33:58):
And again I can't speak on that one whether it
was right or wrong, because obviously I did something similar.
The situation is a little bigger and it's a little
bit more played out. But I did the same thing,
and I was looking out for a girl that I
think I have a good friendship with back, And I mean,
I don't see the harm in it other than the
fact that if they are as close as they seem,

(34:21):
that you should give that person the opportunity to.

Speaker 7 (34:24):
Just own it.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
I was just gonna say, what's going on, Like, why
aren't you finding love?

Speaker 11 (34:29):
Honestly, it's just like it's an age old case of
the people I'm into aren't into me, and the people
that are into me, I'm just not into. I tried
to explain this to my friends. I was like, some
people go a lifetime without finding a single person. Like
there's billions of people in this fucking floating rock and
nobody finds a single person. I was like, they put
ten people in front of me, half of which are
my friends and two of which I was interested in.

(34:50):
Then they both friends on me, and now I'm here
and I'm like, well, I don't want to go home
because I'm having fun, but also like watching everybody else
be in love, isn't that fun? And then obviously at
some point the show changes and I'm like, Okay, well
this is a reason to stay. You know, this is fun.
But as far as like just flat out finding somebody,
like once the options were all exhausted, I'm like, what

(35:14):
do I do now?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
No, I feel for you, and that like I you know,
Bacher does that all the time, where it's just like
I just I'm not into anyone here, and you don't
want to.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
You don't want to.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Like say that, you know, because you don't want to
like sound like you're talking shit about anyone. You're just like,
I'm great, you didn't cast anyone I want to go
for And then like they have a way of making
it look like you can't get.

Speaker 11 (35:35):
Anyone literally, And because I care about everybody that comes
onto this, like I don't want somebody to walk in,
I'd be like, no, absolutely not. And then you look
like a dick because you're like you don't even give
them a chance, right, But knowing these people that I've
met them before or you can tell pretty quickly on
in a conversation or in just any sort of like
relationship that you have with this person, like if they're

(35:56):
going to be somebody you would date or not. And
rather than just being like no, off the rip, I'm like, well,
it's just like let's have fun, Like yeah, I'll go
on his date with you as a friend, but you
never know, and you want to let them down as
nicely as you can. But then it's also like a
week is two days, so it's like okay, well you
don't have the luxury of taking your time to let
this person down and do it in the best way possible.

(36:16):
It's like it has to be kind of cutthroat, and
that's just like not me. So it kind of also
bit me in the ass a little bit.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Back to Dale, like you're clearly not friends with them.

Speaker 11 (36:24):
No, no, and I are fine in that moment, we
weren't friends, Like.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Well, you're fine, you know that's you know, when I
asked Nally something and she's like, I'm fine. You know,
it's not fine.

Speaker 11 (36:33):
Yeah, Like I've met him and we've hung out before,
and we have no bad blood, no bad intentions towards
one another. It just at that point in the show,
I had no ties to it, Like we didn't talk.
Really we were competing for the same girl, which I
wasn't going for Cat at that point, Like she was
just a friend.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
So yeah, my loyalty was a cat in that moment.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
When you're watching it back, because the way it's aired
it it's definitely being Dale's being portrayed clearly an attractive guy.
I mean, I mean, I haven't seen him in real life,
but you seem like a very expressive guy and he's big, tall,
strong and beautiful and he's a nice resume, but he
is being portrayed as this unbelievable prize that everyone you

(37:18):
know wants, Like is that how it felt on the beach?
And I guess, like what was just your honest.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Read about how Dale communicates with the women he pursues,
because he seems to talk about how he's always down
for like he wants to do opening communication. I also
like have a weird last week, guys. I was I
was talking to my manager and we were just having
a business call, and like I almost was.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Like should we dead it?

Speaker 8 (37:44):
Like?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
And I was like, it's just like it got into
my vocabulary because I was like, should we just like
move on from it?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And I'm all I could think about was debting it no,
And I almost said it, And I just really wanted
to hate.

Speaker 11 (38:00):
People start saying to time like period like period girl,
and that's fun.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, I said verod all the time. But yeah, do
you think Dale's just a little bit?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I know, I know you're fine, I know you're chill,
I know you have no problem with him, But do
you think he's a full of shit?

Speaker 11 (38:14):
I don't know if full of sh it's the right words.
I think I think he's just I don't know, he's
again he's Dale, Like, he's yeah, beautiful.

Speaker 7 (38:23):
Light skin I'm getting there.

Speaker 11 (38:24):
I'm getting there, tall, beautiful, light skinned man with colored
eyes like. I don't think he's gotten told no in
his recent years of life. I think in how he
grew up probably I don't know his his background, but
I think in recent years him being who he is being.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
So like.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Because Kat doesn't know his either, you know.

Speaker 11 (38:44):
So, I think he's just going about life the way
that he would outside of the show. And you can
get away with those things in the real world because
they don't have one little controlled area that they're stuck
in where they can communicate that. Well, now there's camera involved,
and all the women that you're talking to can communicate that.
Not only can they communicate it, but they can see

(39:04):
what you're doing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
So it's just like a well, it's because, like I
think the problem I empathize with Dale because if you're
familiar with Dale's story, you know he went on.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
The Bacheorette to pursue Claire.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
And Claire like fell in love with them day two
and they got engaged and left the show within days
of filming. So Dale had one of the most unique
experiences being a part of this franchise, and you know,
regardless of what happened with his wedge with Claire, like
you know, going on the show as an experience you
make friends, it was like it's a whole like summer

(39:38):
can't retreat type of vibe. And you could argue that
Dale was you know, that experience was taken from him
on the Bacheorette, So like totally get that, but like
just just come in and say that and state that
I'm curious when you got to when you met Dale,
and he was kind of talking about because like, I
don't know how it was for you guys, but back
in my day, a lot of people would kind of
state like why they're there, like you know, just I

(40:00):
want to date around or they would talk about their
past relationships. Did Dale make it clear to everyone that
like he he hasn't had this experience before and he
really wanted to stay open and pursue other relationships and
made it very clear to everyone that he, like early days,
he really wanted to take his time because it really

(40:21):
seemed like he went hard and heavy to Cat real
quick and he's telling Kat everything she needs to hear
and wants to hear well. Then he goes into his
ims and he's just like whoa, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I just just want chill, I just want to take
it slow.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
But he doesn't seem to be communicating at the cat
and I'm just curious, what did you see being you know,
boots on the ground.

Speaker 11 (40:41):
Honestly, like from the get go, he seemed like one
of the only other guys that was similar to me
that was just like kind of open and doing paradise
the paradise. Why were you trying to go on dates,
trying to meet other people and not just locking into
one person too quick. I think the problem now when
I when I watch it back, is that he's like
over promising to each individual.

Speaker 7 (41:00):
Like for me, I was.

Speaker 11 (41:00):
Like, eh, like maybe maybe not. He's like, oh no,
like I could actually see things with you. And it's
kind of biting him in the ass because not only
are these girls getting excited, but then Kat hears about
it and you're like, oh, okay, yeah, that's that's not
going to bear out too well. And in her defense,
from everything that I've heard too about Kat from previous seasons,

(41:24):
like she's kind of holding herself together pretty well for
everything that's going on on the show.

Speaker 7 (41:29):
I'm like, she's my favority.

Speaker 11 (41:30):
You were so calm, you handled that so well, Like
that is not at all what I had heard about
you from the past, Like you seem so compicable, collected,
like what's going on here? And that's that's part of
why I wanted to just like be her friend too,
because we had talked about it as well, like how
much growth she'd done through therapy and the things that
she had done.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I love how she calmly said to Dale that she
was triggered by Dale assuming that life's been perfect for her.
Was like, oh yeah, being triggered because someone thinks your
life is perfectness.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
I also loved when Alicia is talking to Also, I
hate that all of like Grant's girls are getting together
and like doing girl powwows and like leaving all the
rest of the women out. I get that, like they
all know each other, yeah, but you know, feels a
little CLIQUI but for then Alicia to like sit with
those girls and then be like, oh yeah, like you know,

(42:26):
Kat was yelling at Dale or like the date or whatever,
and She's like, oh yeah, like she told me that
Dale's closed off, and like, that's not what she said.
She said that Dale told her that he wants to
be like intentional with her, Like everyone is just changing
up the words and it's like that changes the whole

(42:47):
meaning and everything that like, that's not what she said.
She didn't say Dale's closed off like at all. So
it's just, you know, it's so funny to watch like
one conversation happen and then someone like you tell it
to their friends and it's in a completely different way.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
Yeah, the game of telephone is a pain in the
ass on Paradise, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
How close were you to having sex with April?

Speaker 6 (43:10):
I was gonna ask how you felt about seeing her
kiss two other men?

Speaker 7 (43:14):
Oh man, a question? Oh man, not close at all. One.

Speaker 11 (43:22):
And first of all, our our moment was built up
so much her and eyes. But then also she like
kisses to other people. I'm like, he has really played
off of her, giving me the Rose versus like she
made out with Sean and with Daley.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Full time Dale one that just seem like a shot
a shot kiss that.

Speaker 9 (43:45):
Wasn't It was the same with the bird thing.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I mean, yeah, I.

Speaker 11 (43:51):
Love April, so much though. She's like the definition of
like the word means.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
She's just like, so would you?

Speaker 7 (43:58):
No? I love her so much, but no, would she probably.

Speaker 11 (44:05):
Shit, I don't know, I don't know. It could all
be in good fun in her mind. I haven't tried
to like dig too deep into it. She did say
she loves younger men on the last show or on
the last episode.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, She's like, I don't know my problem is, but
I like them young She says.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
Oh, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, you had to quote accurately.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
What was the best piece of advice that you got
from one of the goldens best piece of advice?

Speaker 7 (44:29):
Honestly.

Speaker 11 (44:30):
The night that April had saved me, saved me, had
given me her rose, she had come up to me,
so she pulled me for a chat. She just wanted
to like talk about like where I was at with everything.
But also Leslie had pulled me for a chat that
night too, and they just wanted to see how I
was doing. And I'd come to the conclusion I was like,
I'm going home like and I was okay with it.
I was happy, like nobody's here for me, and all
my friends are in great like relationships. Everybody seems good,

(44:51):
and I was happy to go, but what they wanted
to tell me collectively was like, hey, we know it's
not working out for you. See things don't seem great
for you right now. And I was like, but I'm
in a good mood. They're like, but don't walk around
with your head down at all. Like we see what
your intent is, we see what you're looking for. We
know that you're trying to keep it like realistic in

(45:13):
an unrealistic environment. They're like, yeah, it may bite you
in the ass, but like when you find somebody, it's
going to be phenomenal, and like just keep doing that. Yeah,
And for me, you know, I'm thinking like damn, I'm
failing at paradise. But they're sitting here being like, don't
don't think that at all. Like you're doing incredible as

(45:33):
a human, as a contestant, as everything. Like just keep going,
and they genuinely and not even just up until this point,
but the duration of my time here, they save paradise
for me through and through, like they're just so reassuring,
so sweet, and like if there's ever an issue with
me or with that whatever is going on, they they

(45:54):
see it and they see through it, and they know
what to say and they're able to like be realistic
and communicate what they see intent wise behind actions, not
just the mistakes that are made.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Sometimes it sounds like they were helping keeping you grounded
in this.

Speaker 7 (46:09):
Oh my god, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
So much, Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
What what can we come to expect when they it
seems like next week I thought it was going to
be this week, but introduced a half a million dollar
prize that contestants can can potentially win, And what can
we come to expect or what will how will that
change the beaches of Paradise?

Speaker 11 (46:32):
Yeah, I think I answered this last week, and I
actually really like the way that it was.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
It came out.

Speaker 11 (46:37):
But like I think in Paradise is before you know,
good couples kind of just like fall off to the
side because you like, there's.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
No drama here. You don't want to see what's going
on there.

Speaker 11 (46:46):
Like, yeah, you want to see at the end of
the day, you want to see people happy and in
like a loving relationship. Those are the people that win
at the end, But you don't get to be a
part of their relationship, their journey throughout it, Like they
just you're like, Okay, they're good over there. Let's see
the drama over here. I think with the way it changes,
you know, they're putting good relationships and even bad ones

(47:06):
in scenarios where you're getting pressed or you're getting challenged
and you're outside of this like comfort zone. You're not
just on an all inclusive vacation anymore. You're doing these
games where it's like, hey, are you guys compatible? Are
you guys good? Are you going to be able to
make it through challenging communication, random things? And you get
to see people kind of pushed and you get to
be a part of people's love story. You get to see, hey,

(47:28):
they are as amazing as it looks in the outside,
or no, they are shakier than we even thought. And
it's a really cool like juxtaposition that you get to
watch it from versus like old paradises where it's just.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
Like, yeah, they're happy, we're cool.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
In this episode we see Jill goes home. I know
that you guys had like a interesting argument. Can you
shed some light on what exactly was going on with
that argument, because I, as a viewer, left kind of
confused what the contention was there, And then I also
just want to know how you feel about her going
home and her.

Speaker 11 (48:02):
Exit for sure, I mean for our disagreement. You know,
she had come on and I had known that again
we were just friends. And then kind of going into
like the date, we played a like adult twister and
we shared a kiss and we had an amazing conversation
at the end of the date.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
You know, her and I hadn't talked in a bit,
but the.

Speaker 11 (48:23):
Conversation we had was just so easy, so natural, and
I was like, Wow, this is really good. And I
knew things were still very strong with Alex and I
wanted to give her my rose, but I had And
this is where the miscommunication on my incomes from, Like, hey,
you made my decision a lot harder, And in the
meaning of that, I meant like my decision to go
with Alex was a lot harder because her and I
haven't had a conversation that natural since we've even matched up.

(48:45):
And I think she was like, you know what, like
it feels like as if you're leading me on, And
that was where my mistake had fallen into place, and
I was like, you know what, I'm so sorry for miscommunicating.
I'm sorry for this, I'm sorry for that, and that
that was not at all. My intent was to hurt
you in any way, shape or form. I wanted to
make sure that you had a good date, not pairing
up with anybody. So then when it came around that

(49:06):
second time, you know, she was still a little upset
with me, even after our first conversation, and I was
just like, hey, I just want to say I'm so
sorry one more time, and I wanted to just hear
her out see if she needed to get anything else
off of her chest. And then she tried to be like, hey,
I'm not actually upset, and I was like, oh, well,

(49:27):
kind of seems like you are, but just didn't say that.
She was like, okay, whatever, and I just wanted to
voice my side, you know, I just want I think
it was a moment of weakness and defensiveness where I
just wanted to be heard. So I was trying to
and she would just keep on repeat being like you
make no sense, you make no sense.

Speaker 7 (49:41):
Maybe I made no sense. Maybe I did. I don't know.

Speaker 11 (49:43):
I don't have the transcript back, but I was just like,
I don't know. When when you're you're feeling unheard, all
you want is just for that person to have a
little patience with you or just be like you know what, Yeah,
I hear you and I understand you, and that's mine.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
We can move on.

Speaker 11 (49:57):
And I just don't think she she wanted to give
that to me, and I got defensive and I got
upset and I was getting emotional. I was like, well,
this sucks, and we just kind of had to just
ended after that because I was like, this isn't going
to go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I felt for Jill. You know, she seems like a
really sweet person.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I suspect that maybe Jill's man will not be someone
that Bachelor would cast on their show.

Speaker 11 (50:15):
Yeah, Jill, Jill's incredible, She's hilarious. You know, she's got
a lot of love to give. And yeah, I agree,
I don't. I don't think actual well, I know for
a fact on Paradise, her person wasn't there, but she
didn't find somebody, very very.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Love to see her with Brett. Hate to bring him
back with Brett.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
You know Brett why wears Brett.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
He's kicking it wearing his halo mask at home.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, no, I saw that, and he added to the
comedic lore that is Brett. But you know, it's like
a Jill Jael like, you know, her whole exit was
very like you know.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Barry Bachelor, but very like you know, I'm just so
tired of not being picked and.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, and I think a lot of people feel like
Jill often feels. But like I feel like it's a
classic of like stop going after the same Like stop
going after the same people who make you always feel
the same way, yeah about yourself. You know, clearly Jill
has a lot to offer the right person, but like
she doesn't feel seen by these men that she's pursuing. Bachelor,

(51:13):
you know, they have a spectrum of personalities, but there's
a mold of people that they cast on their shows.

Speaker 11 (51:19):
I bonded with that exit so hard to like in
those moments, like, yeah, there's moments where I friend zone people,
but in the moments where you just continue to get
friend zoned by the people that you want, or just
I think in her case, she was just like being
like anybody, you know, she was just over it and
tired of it. And it's like you can see how
much that means to her too, And I'm like, God, like,

(51:40):
not only do we resonate with you, but everybody at
home is going to resonate with the fact that you
feel this way, because I don't think there's a single
person that hasn't dealt with that.

Speaker 7 (51:47):
And if you haven't, like, fuck you, because like.

Speaker 11 (51:50):
That means you've probably been beautifully and cool your entire
life and we just don't trust you.

Speaker 10 (51:55):
But for the most part, she reacted to Sean's reaction
to her leaving. She was like, I'm to do you
a favor and I'm gonna leave.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
And he was like, why that was such a fake, Like,
oh no.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
We're not getting married. You know, you know this isn't
going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Like please, He's like, yeah, you know, we're not getting married.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
He had nothing to say. It was pretty great. Yeah, Jonathan,
it's always great talking with you.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Thanks for shedding some light on everything that's going on
on Paradise. He'll let my audience know where they can
follow you and all that fun stuff.

Speaker 11 (52:23):
You can follow me on TikTok or Instagram at jiggity
john And I think I said my LinkedIn last time.
I was like, follow me Jonathan Johnson on LinkedIn not
that interesting or Facebook, whichever you want. Facebook's probably the
easiest way to contact me. I'll actually see it.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
I'm actually going to connect with you on LinkedIn.

Speaker 11 (52:42):
After that, I actually know LinkedIn might be number one.
You should be a mess. I connect with everybody on
LinkedIn and then I chat with him.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
You weren't buy any chance at David Doebrook's party over
the weekend.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
Were you knew? Wait?

Speaker 10 (52:52):
Why?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Because I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
If you know who Janny and Kenny are of Love
Island Stephens season six, but they have broken.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Up and they were last seen at David Derrek's party together.
So we're trying to figure out on.

Speaker 11 (53:03):
Saturday, even though they were broken up. So you're trying
to figure out if they are aren't broken up.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
They're broken up.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
We're just trying to figure out if you were there,
maybe you saw something, maybe you heard.

Speaker 7 (53:13):
I'm gonna be so honest. I didn't watch Love Island.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
All right, get the funk out.

Speaker 11 (53:21):
I've met I met the cast, and they're all great,
Like they seem really really sweet.

Speaker 7 (53:25):
Like who's the guy that won? Brian? Is that his name?
So fucking nice, the nicest.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Dude, wouldn't want anybody else to win this season?

Speaker 7 (53:34):
Really?

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, we're talking about last season though, Okay.

Speaker 11 (53:38):
Oh no, no, no, Well, when I think last season, I
think the one that just ended.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
He's technically right the last season.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Well, Jonathan, it's always a pleasure to have you. Appreciate
you coming buddy up.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Next, we have Gerdy from the Real Housewives of Miami
to talk about her celebration of a life party also
known as the party she decided to bring the receipt.
But before we get to Gertie, we do have your
rapid recap to bring any of you who didn't watch
Miami up to speed with all of the drama that
happened last episode.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
All right, here's our rapid recap. We had Julia and
Martina Kid reveal they're so cute. Plus one of them
is wearing a baby Blinciaga shirt, which is so stupid.
I love it. We get a FaceTime from Caramo Brown
from Queer Eye, and a rare moment of Netflix and
Peacock Brand integration inviting Julia and the girls to an
LGBTQ event gave people love a cause and true ally fashion.
Stephanie Soja picks up Marisol and a Rolls Royce with

(54:31):
a bar installed in the cup holder. Marisol then reveals
in said Rolls Royce that she has the colon of
a newborn. Also, if anyone was wondering, Alexia is maybe
kind of back on with Todd. Gerdi throws the celebration
of life event in honor of her breast cancer. At
the event, Alexia gets annoyed that Sephanie Soja doesn't fuck
with her and Todd. Gerdi gets up to speak, and
it's amazing, She's so beautiful and vulnerable and powerful, shout

(54:52):
out Gerty. But then Gerdi gets up to speak again.
It's about Julia, and what does she do? She broadcasts
her text with Julia about the cruise with apt In
Sandy up on the big screen for all to see,
a la Kenya Moore. Everyone is confused because they thought
that Gerdi and Julia were cool, but also they're pretending
that exposing paragraphs of text that no one can read
on a big screen is a bigger violation than dumping

(55:14):
water on someone's head. This leads to a boat blowout
between Alexei and Stephanie Soja that is technically about being
up Gertie's ass, but really all about Todd. Overall are
Alexeian Todd endgame. Can Gerty come back from this? What
constitutes the colon of a newborn we'll find out soon.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Very very happy for Julia obviously, with you know, her
family growing. It was a little bizarre how Bravo chose
to air that reveal.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeah, it was so random. I was like, wait, I mean,
so everyone's just meeting her kids for the first time
right now.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
Sure, she set it up in the last episode that
she was gonna bring in the kids. She was like, Oh,
I think I'm like, it's time to like introduce the
kids to the girls.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
We've seen pictures of them throughout.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
Yeah, I think there was something where she was like
going through final stages with like the adoption and whatnot,
because she had a meeting last episode.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, so I think this was It just didn't feel
like it had.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
The moment you would think it would like.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
A little party maybe or like.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Like, I totally get not wanting to bring your kids
on a TV show first and foremost, totally respect that,
but if you are just it's obviously a beautiful story.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
And like Alexia has she like known them for years.
I'm just like she walked in and was like oh
and like started kissing them and like loved them.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
That's just Alexia. Literally.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
Latina's Yeah, I mean I'm gonna be your favorite Tia ever.

Speaker 8 (56:29):
Yeah, and you know what she probably will be.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
She would be mine too. She looks like a real
life Barbie bringing doughnuts.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Do you think do you think Marisol's doctor literally said,
do you have the colon.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Of a baby?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
No?

Speaker 8 (56:39):
I think she that's a that's a Mysol original. Yeah,
like I have the colon of a newborn.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
They probably were like, wow, it's, you know, pretty great
colon in here, Like definitely not a lot of poll ups.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
She goes down of a newborn exactly basically brand new.

Speaker 8 (56:55):
Basically brand new, which means she can have as many
screwdrivers as she wants for the time.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
I will say she does need to be studied because
that woman has an alcohol multiple alcoholic beverages a day,
and she still looks flawless and still acts flawless, And
I'm just like, how how are your insights not just
like rotten?

Speaker 8 (57:12):
Even when she briefly out an eyepatch.

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Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Gerdy, Welcome back to the Wile Files. It's so great
to have you. How are you doing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
I'm doing good. I'm holding up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Were you kind of like dreading going into this episode
or were you like looking forward to it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
You know, it's so funny. I didn't know what to
expect because you know, what I what I did at
my party was out of you know, obviously huge. It
was a huge thing for me internally to struggle with,
like what do I do with this whole thing? You know,
when I did decide, I'm like should I do this now?
And I just did it. You know, So sometimes you
just act and then you think later like oh, you know,

(01:00:56):
so it was one of those moments.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Well, first of all, Gerdy, I just want to say
just my not that my opinion matters. I absolutely loved it,
and I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Oh I wish I were.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
You know, is it entertaining for people watching? Yes, but
you know it's it's not my proudest moment of course
at all. You know, I never wanted to even get
to this space. And what cornered me, you know, is,
you know, obviously to be revealed when I talk about
the details. That led me to just kind of be like,
like when am I going to be heard?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
And so it was really kind of one of those
situations where I just I don't know, I just snapped.
You know, you heard like this the show. Snap. It
was one of those things I'm like, nope, I'm going
to do it, you know. So it was one of
those things.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I don't know, can you explain to our audience from
your perspective the beef with Julia? How did it all start?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
What is her issue with you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Okay, so it all started, I guess with her and
herself because there was no beef. We went on a
cruise in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Guys, what, yes, this is like two years old?

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Yeah, this is November or like the December one of
twenty twenty three, and keynote, this is before we even
go to season six reunion.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Oh so this is like old, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
I felt like I was on the Truman Show. I
literally was like, what is happening. Please make this stop,
because it was It was like surreal to say, you know,
so this whole time passed. This twenty twenty three, we
go on a beautiful cruise, myself and my husband. There's
three different itineraries, so I was day one, which was
the two days, and then the next two days was
a different group going on this cruise. She was for

(01:02:38):
itinerary two. I was itinerary one two, passing ships in
the night. I go home and she's on her way there.
She then calls me and says, Martina can't go anymore.
Something's wrong. But the way that she sounds, she's very emotional,
And I'm like, is everything okay with Martina? What's going on?
And she's like, no, I can't talk about it now.
I'm in glam right now, but I'll call I'll tell

(01:03:00):
you about it later. And I'm like, well, what do
you what's going on? Like, what do you need? Can
you come and be with me on the cruise? You
hear your friend in distress, you hear something wrong with Martina.
In my mind, I'm thinking, please don't tell me. I'm
thinking that you know the worst that is back, And
I'm like, okay, Okay, I just got home. I'm packing,
but I'll repack send me the itinerary. So she doesn't

(01:03:22):
tell me on the phone what it is. She tells
me too that she'll tell me on the ship. I
get my stuff. I'm like, Russell, I'm so sorry, and
I'm packing. And even Russell's mom is in the room
because she came to watch the kids, and she's like,
what happens? Is everything okay? With Martina? We're all in like,
oh my god, I gonna hear the worst news and
I gotta be there for her to pick her up
off the floor. On this cruise go and by the way,

(01:03:43):
the cruise, you're gonna hear the word it was for work.
We all have the same offer letter from this cruise.
All of the cast members were invited on this cruise.
Adriana was on the cruise with me on my first leg.
It was barter. It was like cruise for content, That's
what it was. It was not a paid anything, fyi.
And so we go on the cruise. The itinerary that

(01:04:05):
I received had everything in order, dinners here, this and
that and so forth. It was on day two, night two.
We have the best time. On day one night two,
I hear that I am being placed somewhere else to
have dinner alone because there's a private reception dinner that
she is going to. Now, her publicist, who happens to

(01:04:26):
be Alexis Berlino's publicist, you know, tells me we send you.
You know, we're all organized. Your name is on the list.
And I'm kind of like, okay, I guess I don't
make a fuss about it. I go to where I'm swung.
I go to the place and they don't even have
my reservation. So now I'm like, oh my god, how
I am embarrassing? Like what am I doing on this ship?

Speaker 8 (01:04:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
What am I doing on this ship? And the first
thing I say when I walk up on the ship
and I see her, she's with her publicist, and I'm like, Julia,
are you okay? Like is everything okay? She tells me
what Martina's issue is. And then I say, well, you're
doing networking, you have you pr person there. I can
just go home. I was supposed to be packing for
Watch What Happens Live. I was like going on a
you know, airplane in a couple of days.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Like this cruise ship.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
It's a celebrity it's the ascent from celebrity cruises, so
it's it was just going out to like borderline Bahamas
and then just coming back home. It was like a
whole new ship, you know, showing us the the glitz,
you know. So I'm literally like, okay, you're good here.
You told me what happened to Martina. We're good. And

(01:05:27):
then I stayed because she's like no, no, no, I want
you to stay. So she's with a pure person. They
go to this private dinner, they swing me out, no
problems until I'm like realizing I'm like, I'm on this
ship for this The rest of these next four hours,
I'm just like lilllygagging around doing nothing. And then I'm
just kind of like feeling like this is not really
nice because Martina was supposed to be her guest. So

(01:05:48):
this is Captain Sandy, who we were hanging out the
night before. Everything was cool. Why couldn't I just be
the seat that was dedicated for your plus one? So
I say to her text, I said, hey, like I'm here,
that will have every I not mad, but I'm just
feeling like what am I doing here? And I left
my family to be here on this cruise with you.
I just don't know what to do with myself and
this is like weird, right, And so I guess in

(01:06:11):
her mind that was considered an argument, Like she even said,
I'm so sorry I wouldn't have asked you to come
on the cruise. But anyway, where are you? And what
we're supposed to be for drinks later which we didn't
a year and a half, almost two years later, you
bring this on camera? Yeah, and and not even anything.
There was no conversation by phone about it. It was

(01:06:33):
just a text conversation. Almost two years passes by, and
the first time that she actually confronts me with it
is at the wedding chaos and where she throws the
water at me and I'm kind of like, what is
going on?

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
So she got mad at you because you went home early.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
No, she got mad at me because I questioned why
would I not be able to attend the event with
you since I'm here for you. So she didn't like
the tone and she didn't like the questioning me of
what I'm doing and you should be grateful. So this
got turned into Gerty volunteered to be on a cruise.
I just left the cruise. Gerty made everything about her.

(01:07:10):
This is nine two, the last event where I thought
on the itinerary we were going to dinner together, but
you swing me somewhere and I'm alone. I made things
about me. Gerty was talking crap about Alexia, and I'm like,
I was actually imitating your barracudo argument with Alexia in
front of Jenfestler. But she takes that out and says,

(01:07:31):
Gerty was talking crap about your Alexia. So for the ladies,
I'm kind of like, I can almost understand why they
were like, oh, we don't fuck with Gerty because you
have Julia throughout this entire hiatus that the shows off
the air in their ear without me knowing. This whole time,
everyone's nice to me, texting me how the boys hows
you recovery the whole thing, and then I walk in

(01:07:53):
and no one's inviting me to think, and I'm like,
so she did a good you know, a swift tour
on that one, went around the world, talked about that crap,
and I'm the one that's like not in the know
of what's going on. That's the beginning of the season.
It's like me going like this, like what's going what's
going on?

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
But what's so crazy is the end of last season.
You guys were the best of friends, so all of us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
I was happy, Like I was on a text threat
with Marisol, Kiki, Alexia, like for eight months, just us
talking crap. We're trying to make a dinner date, like
we're having a good time. And nothing was of this
nature until closer to filming. I started to hear little
whispers like Adrianna. I was like, hey, what, so, how
was the cruise? What happened? And then when I heard
what happened, I was like, what are you talking about?

(01:08:37):
But in my mind, I'm like, well, Juliet couldn't have
been talking crap about it because she never bought anything
up to me, So the cruise question asked. Kiki asked me, oh, hey,
how was the cruise? What happened? Once and then Adriana twice.
This is before filming, And then I was just kind
of like, well, I just sent her a cake for
her birthday, like Martina, you know, flowers for the recovery,
like we're not beefing at all. She was sitting on

(01:09:01):
the same couch as me for season six, like having
my back like no issues. Can you imagine like an
issue that in your head you have from season six,
when you could have brought it up right at the
reunion if you wanted to, I guess you wait until
the next season on hiatus and bring it up to
the screen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Why do you think that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
What does that say to you?

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Okay? Well you know you know what it says to you. Okay, Okay,
it's kind of like you got to come up. And
by the way, here's the issue. Julia made a big
mistake by getting greedy with her storylines. That's what happened.
How beautiful of the story of those beautiful boys, Like
stick with your real life, Like, that's what happened, guys,

(01:09:41):
And it's very easy to see. And I'm just kind
of like why at my expense? And I have some
traumas in the past that I think you're going to
see through finally going to therapy, Like I get triggered
when it's the isolating me, like the whole like you
don't matter, like you're below I have a whole thing
with that. So tie this in with this big issue

(01:10:03):
and the group collectively just kind of being like I
don't know and letting what happened at the wedding happened
to me. It was the biggest trigger ever and I
was like, wow, wow, you know so so these emotions
were brewing. And you know, one thing you learn when
you go through something big like I did, you know,

(01:10:25):
it's like you tell yourself, I'm a fighter. Now IM's
the vivor. I'm going to take care of me. The
first thing Martina told me was be selfish, start taking
care of you, and I was like, okay, it's hard
to do, but I'm gonna So now I'm trying to
take care of me. I released what no longer serves me.
Wrong place, wrong time, But it was emotions like no way,
we're not doing this and I needed to in my

(01:10:46):
head like slap on the wrist. You don't get to
treat me this way again. And I did it at
the wrong place, I did it at the wrong time.
But I'm human, and I think that people hold this
big thing like okay, because you have this C word,
now you have you know, more responsibility. And he's liked,
does scard it? Letter hold It's kind of like demif
I do, demif I don't. I'm human. I made a

(01:11:07):
mistake and I own it. And you'll see that things
get way better by the way things they're way better.
We you know, we go to Spain and we have
a great time, but getting there is is a process.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Well again, I you know, I understand why you're saying
you made a mistake. You know, listen, we watched the
show for its amazing entertainment and it was entertaining. So
I still want to thank you for choosing to bring
the receipts to the party. We know you as an
iconic party planner already and if you could have a
bit of fun with me, I am just curious as
a party planning yourself, Like did when is the perfect

(01:11:40):
time when you're planning a party to like drop the
receipts at the party? Like did you go into this
party like you know, all right, you know, right first
we're gonna celebrate life, We're gonna say what I need
to say, and then you know, like right before we
get to the the act, we're going to drop the receipts.
Like when when is the perfect time to bring the

(01:12:00):
drama at a party? If you want to have a
little bit of everything at the perfect party.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Yeah, well, the way I did my party is you know,
my husband's not a dancer. My kids are not, you know,
into entertainment and all that stuff. And you know, so
I knew that I had my party, and my timeline
was like obviously main event, after party. So that's what
I always do for every wedding I do. I do
the biggest weddings ever, and we always do a main
event of reception and then we go into another room

(01:12:25):
like for an after party. So in my mind, my
mind is trained to think that way. So my event
was the main event where I shared my testimony, and
of course it's going to include the C word, you know,
like demif Like Okay, I had my testimony and I cried,
and I thank my husband. I gave him flowers. And
then I had two friends listen to this because the
spin on it was a cancer survivor fundraise or charity

(01:12:47):
in a church is to me like so slenderous to
even think that I would do all these things. Two
friends of mine who actually are my friends friends, as
were thirty people in the room. This was not for
patrons of the Cancer's Association that gave a donation to
attend my event. These were my friends, friends that I
hang out with all the time, Like hey, I'm having

(01:13:07):
a little party, you know whatever, celebrating being cancer free.
Come over, we're filming. That's what it was. Two of
them happened to have breast cancer. Okay, that my friends,
you know. And then what I said to myself is, Okay,
the Knot is presenting me this amazing party because it
was my magazine cover launch, and I'm like, I don't
want it to be like about me, like just like, oh,
thank you and look at my cover. So I was like, oh,

(01:13:29):
I spoke to my girls. I made a group called
Support your Girlfriends and we go out every year to Bermuda.
We have the best of fund. It's about supporting each
other's businesses and supporting it whatever. And they're like, Gertie,
my god, can I present a check becuse we have
this ten k and we were going to do it
for this foundation, which is one of the girlfriends who
was at the event. But let's do it on stage
to bring awareness to like the you know, the two organizations.

(01:13:51):
In my mind, I'm like, of course, why not. Why not?
It's my party. I'm doing my testimony, and instead of
just being about the big cover, I'm like, let me
also have them paid forward and present your check. So
now it's a cancer survivor charity event and I did
this on top of it, and I'm like, no, the
event was like wrapped up of the main act and

(01:14:12):
the second part was like you see me immediately say okay,
let's have fun and you know Rocky Lanes and the
band starts playing. So that was completely different from the
first aye. The band was not there on the first act.
It was a second act of the event.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
You didn't go into the party like planning this. You
only like you did it on the spot after you
heard what she had said to your husband.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Right, So the night of the waters toss, right when
she threw the water and I'm hearing this for the
first time. By volunteering to go to the thing, I
went home and I was like, okay, we're gonna bring
these receiats together because one day go on of these moments,
I'm gonna show the girls. I went out to lunch
for the Lexia. I'm like, this is not true. Let
me tell you about the cruise. I went to dinner
with kikiS. She's lying, Miyekiki was stretching. I told like,

(01:14:53):
I'm trying to tell you my truth. Larsa even at
the wedding goes you know what, Julia is a lot
of things sirty, but she's not a liar. And I'm
looking at her like this, the system is rigged. They're
not gonna believe me. Then no one's gonna believe me.
So after I've attempted, I'm like, guys, even at the wedding,
I'm trying to tell them, and she can't handle the

(01:15:14):
truth and she tries to stop me by doing the
water toss and I'm like, okay, so I already had
my compilation of like my text message is just off
to the side. And then it wasn't until I'm like, okay,
I want to do it, and you hear me sit
to my a sistant, Okay, I just sent you something
and we're doing this like when I say, go, you go,
that's what happened. You see it on screen. So was

(01:15:36):
it in the back of my mind to reveal them.
Of course, did I have a specific time of place.
Not yet, because I was like, let's see what the
producers had me film with these girls. And then the
next opportunity was my party. And when I heard that
she was still victimizing herself and like, oh, we're in
a better play and she broke the path that she
created for us. I'm like, I just can't, like, I

(01:15:56):
can't let this go on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
What did the screen shots in your mind and show
and reveal? Because I think there was some confusion with
the audience and even address of the women, because there
seemed to be a lot there a lot of conversation,
but in your mind, as I think one of the
producers acts in the show, like what was your smoking gun?
Like what was the thing that you were trying to
get across? Like what did you want the audience or
the women to like see in terms of like what

(01:16:20):
your point was about Julia.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Okay, So first of all, I redacted all the names.
So when I went and redacted the names, right, I'm like, what, Like,
you know, no one who was at the party would
look at it and be like it's her, shame, shame
to her because you don't even know who it's for.

(01:16:45):
So the name on top that said Julia on my phone,
that was redacted, Martine's name, everybody's name. So all this
was context to tell them. You say, I what Julia
was trying to get out to the girls is like
look at Gertie. She's so thirsty, she means everything of
her and then she's you know, she's just selfish and
she's an opportunist, and I'm like, but I the fact,

(01:17:06):
the core of the whole thing was like I literally
dropped everything I had to go. I'm like, I'm gonna
be there for you. What do you need initially, and
then you're with your pr You're like, oh no, I'm
going to need you just stay and I'm now a
seat filler. So it was the feeling of feeling like
I'm here for you, but then all of a sudden
you disregard me when you need to. But then come
to this part with me, Okay, now you don't have

(01:17:26):
dinner with us, go over there. That feeling comes from
my past of just the neglect, being neglected and just
feeling like I'm not good enough to do this with you.
That's where that core is. And everyone could judge me
and say, no, well you should have still never for
made mistakes, and I honestly it came from the bottom

(01:17:47):
of emotional hurt. I was so hurt that this is
a person who was by my bedside, this is the
person who should have known better, Like this is like
to come for me at all, people, when I'm just
getting back on my feet and you want to cut
me at my knees. That was really hard, but really hard,
But the context of the text was to show like,

(01:18:08):
I'm not the person she's painting to be, like, look
at this. She says, I volunteered. I would not have
suggested for you to leave your kids in Russell to
come be on the cruise with me. Is that volunteering?
You tell me these people that I make things about
me and the whole cruise I was talking about me
and me, me, and I didn't check on Martina. You'll
see the receipts in coming days. Of course I asked

(01:18:31):
for about Martina. That was all I was doing, is
thinking what happened? Why would I Why would I go
on the cruise and not ask so what happened? That
was the whole reason I was there. But she literally
told them I never checked on Martina once and I
made everything about me. That's huge, guys, do you understand that?
And so for me to hear that, I'm like, my

(01:18:52):
good intentions are never gonna be They're never gonna land.
She's gonna pay me out to be like I just
I wanted it on the cruise and I move over,
move your bed. I'm gonna I just got on the
same cruise and was in the same big two bad
two story, sweet as you. Why do you think that,
I'm like the hell, like, just come on, you were here.
I give you pity, like a pity party. That that

(01:19:13):
hurt me so bad and I kept it for weeks
and weeks and trying to tell people no one will listen.
So if there's anyone out there who has had an
issue when the truth is so clear and I'm not lying,
and they're called a liar and it's like no one
wants to hear your truth. Everyone's gone through that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Well, we're listening, Gerty, and we're so glad that you
uh shared that with us and got it out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Switching gears a little.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Bit, Alexia this past episode referred to the rest of
her cast as narcissist and also mentioned that she can't
be a narcissist because she's an EmPATH. And I just
would love to have your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Okay, the first step is to admit we all know that.
In any the first step is to say Hi, I'm Gerty,
and I fucked up, you know, you know, like you
gotta start taking account the other day. And Alexia, of
course is a narcissist as we are all. So I'm
not saying it's only her because you know what they
try to do. You, Grety, you too, love you interrupted
it's all about you. But we all have the same

(01:20:11):
traits and I think that's why we're all put together
to create this show. So it's a hypocritical obviously, but
you know, I still love it for it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
I always say, if you've accused more than two people
to be a narcissist, you you're probably a narcissist, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Everybody is. I think it's on the cast. I think
everybody is on the cast.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Yeah, going back to the you know, Grecian party, the
narcissist party. What made you want to get between Larsa
and Lisa?

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Oh my god, guys, I don't know what the heck
that was. I don't I didn't even know until I
saw it that it was actually a throne and you
have this red backdrop. It was so gaudy. I was like,
oh my god. And I guess maybe subconsciously I was
kind of like, well, let's get into this mess because
no one got into mind when I got thwater thrown

(01:20:57):
and it was hurry in my face and jumping up
and so forth. No one flinched, And I was like,
you know what, let's have a talk, you guys. Go ahead,
don't let even win. You need to apologize. I don't
know what that was about, but that was actually so funny.
Oh my god, when I look when I look back
at it, I thought I was cringing. Yeah, I felt bigle,
I felt bigly.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
What do you feel like Julia would need to do
to get back into your good graces?

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Well, I don't think she she I don't think she
wants to actually, because you know that the premiere party itself,
she says, Oh, I want Gertie to stay as far
away as possible. And it's it's kind of like if
you look at the sit down that we have when
we've the first attempt, when we try to hash it out,
she only apologized for throwing the water, that's it, and

(01:21:46):
demanded of me to apologize for the reaction after the
water was tossed, negating her, attacking me, negating her over
me and screaming, and I and I felt for it.
I was kind of like because this that's not in
my characters. I'm like, okay, so if I was on
the hinge, I'm sorry. But then afterwards I'm like, but wait,
she didn't even apologize for anything, so the lies continued,

(01:22:09):
and then she says, I'm gonna definitely never talk to
the girls about whenever we talk about they'll stay between us.
And then at the narcissist party unwarranted, the guy's like
moving on and she stops what about me? To shame
me again in front of the girls, Like I'm like
some kind of crazy, scary What does she call me? Psychopaths? Scary?

(01:22:32):
And that's that's a pathological liar. And I'm like okay,
I like how do I how do I combat this
when no one is gonna question her and and no
one's gonna listen to me, you know?

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
So yeah, I mean how did that feel that to
have no one had your back? I mean it's like
you've known these women for so long and like.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Yeah, well, you know, well Lisa and Adriana weren't there,
and you'll see how she Stephanie, you know, steps up
and you're like listen to listen to what's going on
in there? And they don't like it. Now it's kind
of like, oh, we don't want to hear the truth
right now, la lah lah. We we're too busy making
a big deal about the type of party and when
she did it, and we're too busy judging all that
that they didn't even want to hear like the facts

(01:23:13):
that we validate and just kind of squashed the whole thing.
So in my head, it was like, okay, you know,
I'm going to like, I want to chat GPT. I
was like, okay, like I already had, you know, like
just kind of like this is what I want to
say when I get an opportunity. And then all of
a sudden, when I'm like I'm gonna send it, I'm like, okay,
chaput do And that's when I'm that speech comes up
quick and I'm like, okay, the truth about my party. Okay.

(01:23:36):
So it was really kind of like I thought that
that would be, in my mind, I guess at that time,
going to be the one that solidified the start over
in a way. But obviously it didn't. And you know,
so I should have probably like took a beat and
calm my anger and just like thought about it till

(01:23:57):
the next day and maybe come up with another plan.
But if not, then when in my mind, because when
I think of it, it's like the reunion, it gets edited,
you know, you don't see anything, and then chaos and confusion,
people are talking over each other. So it would have
never landed, I guess in my mind then, so I
just felt like, this is the opportunity. Now do it now?
Like now so boom, I just did it. I just

(01:24:20):
did it. And you know, timing was not perfect at all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
I'm sure we'll obviously get to see a lot as
a season unfolds in the reunion, But as much as
you can answer, how where do you sit with the
women today?

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Well, actually, you know, Alexia, I think starts now starting
to realize the bigger picture, you know, because her and
I had actually a conversation a couple of weeks ago,
maybe two weeks ago, three weeks ago, and I talked
to her and she's like, Gertie, I didn't know, And
I was like, but Alexia, I try to tell you.

(01:24:56):
And I guess she's finally realizing, she goes, I I
didn't underst stand, you know, like I didn't understand the
severity of like every single thing. Every single thing was
a lie, every single thing. And she's like, you know,
but why would she do that? And I'm like I
can't answer that, And like I said, but like this
is where we are, you know, so you I think,
and her interview recently, she says, you know, she wishes

(01:25:18):
she could have done more. So I'm happy to hear that, because,
you know what, we were good until this spin, this
slenderest tour that she was on, and so now I
feel like people, you know, like you know, Larsa texted
me something about the Darciasis party. She goes, oh my god,
doctor Phil, You're so funny, you know, So like we're
I think everyone's kind of like feeling each other out

(01:25:40):
because and when you see the way that we ended
the season, we end on a great note. But when
you watch it back and I'm sitting here not realizing
what's happening behind my back, and I'm watching like a viewer,
and I'm kind of like, wait, So that's why Alexa
didn't invite me to that party because she thought the
same talking point, mind you, I make things about me,
which is exactly what Julia said. So the trickle down

(01:26:03):
effect of the damage for eight months of the whole
time that we're on hiatus carries itself into the season,
and you have girls with talking points that don't even
understand the severity of how it's making me look bad.
And I'm like, now, now I think people are just
kinda wake up, like shit, because you know, Julia is
very self spoken, and you know, it's like, you know,

(01:26:23):
it allures you to oh, and it alured me. I
thought I had a friend in her. And just so
that you know, like Martina, I want to actually, you know,
kind of defend her because at the first the first episode,
which was Jody's birthday party, remember that, before you see
her get nasty, she's nice. I'm literally like, okay, what
what how the boys? What is the name? And then

(01:26:44):
she tells me the names that they changed them to,
and then and then she's like okay, well, you know,
and then I think she gets to look from Julia
and then all of a sudden it's like oh goold
oh oh. And then and then the dismissal and then
that same kind of feeling that I get that triggers
me of like what how are they treating me this way?
What did I do? That's you know, so it was

(01:27:05):
a repeat of that kind of feeling carrying itself over
and over again, and I was just kind of like, oh, no,
this is she can't I'm gonna snap, like this is
you know, this is too much, you know, the victimization
and then it's at my expense and making me look
like I did something and I did nothing to her.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Thank you for answering our questions.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
It relates to housewives stepping away from the housewives drama
of it all and get into some just more important stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Before we let you go. How's the family, how's your health?
Are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
So? Yeah, I'm great, you know, and I won't talk
about the little things because you know what I do
appreciate what I have, and you know, some people have
it worse, and so I'm just kind of glad that
I'm over the hump and I'm doing great. My family
is amazing. My son just graduated my olders high school,
so now he's going into college, and we just came
back from Japan celebrating him. So that's really good.

Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
That's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Yeah, Gardy, it's always a pleasure to talk with you.
Thank you for coming on and sharing your truth and.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Giving us context everything that we got to see this
past episode. Where can my audience find you, follow you
and all that fun stuff as we follow your journey.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Yes, Gerty Design on Instagram. I'm not so much of
a TikTok person back Gerdy Design and TikTok as well.
I kind of keep a low key, low profile type
of thing. So Instagram is my big platform that I
go on. And obviously the real house was Miami on Wednesdays,
nine pm, Peacock and Bravo.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Gerty, always a pleasure. Thanks for taking the time. I
hope we get to talk to you again soon.

Speaker 8 (01:28:32):
Thank you, guys, Thank you bye, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Bye, guys, we hate you.

Speaker 8 (01:28:39):
You've never done anything wrong. You're an icon.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Oh obviously make mistake. Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Thanks Gerty, Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Anything we want to unpack from that? Are we ready
to get into some os?

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
They just could never make me hate her, That's all
I have. Yeah, right, straight up, She comes with the facts. There, receipts,
no stutter, no stumble.

Speaker 8 (01:29:03):
I didn't say I was hanging out with Captain Sandya already.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
She makes a good point. It's usually the quiet ones
are a little sneaky.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
That's yeah, there's a lot to unpack there.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
But I was like, why would you need to bring
a friend if you had your publicist with you? Like
that makes zero sense. Alex name drops James Wessler of
it all. I was like, oh my god, Rade, I
love Jen Fessler. Sorry, the fact that like she's just
casually like and from New Jersey and from Orange count
and was like, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Gurdy, Like Alexis Bolina, according to Shannon Badour, she is
no longer public Enemy number one because that title is
now going to Katie and I it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Has you know, I I like to think of myself
as a Shannon Badour stand But Alexis was an excellent
villain and let's just not.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Bury that already. M h, Like, that was a whole
season of just horrible, horrible treatment towards you. Why are
we so quick to.

Speaker 8 (01:30:05):
That's like having Hannibal Lecter as your villain and then
like one of the FBI guys becomes the number one
ofp in the next movie, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Well, we do have a rapid recap for your Real
Housewives of Orange County. If you didn't get this episode,
it is time for episode three, Knee Deep in Lies, Okay,
So Katie and Gina are cool again because they bonded
over a scalp treatment. Shannon's still mad at Katie for
recording her crash out and still single, but she's wearing
matching bowling shirts with her friend Adam to a function,
which is diva behavior. I cannot lie. Then we've got

(01:30:36):
Tamra still in therapy, still hating Gretchen, and may be
about to get sued by Ryan because the whole FBI thing.
Speaking of Ryan, Jin is mad at Heather because she
doesn't want to invite Ryan to her birthday party Tamra FBI.
But let's get to the main event. Heather j Bro's
birthday party. Her birthday was two months ago, but it's
incredible and fabulous and she's French fries alongside Cavier Bomps.
No one uses their money better. At the event, Jin

(01:30:56):
and Ryan show up and Tamra is nowhere to be seen.
Have to throw in that Ryan showed up a day
after he had knee surgery, just to make sure.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Yeah, this guy is trying to be a fan favorite
so bad. He's like, I have no neees, but yeah,
I'm kind there not nonees.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Shannon comes with her friend Phil, not the Bowling Alley guy,
but it's Phil from Love Hotel, who is just a friend.
But it seems like she may be in her slight
era just to Tad. Gina thinks it's entertaining, can't help
but agree. Also, Gretchen reveals that she broke Slade's penis
and now when he gets hard, it's curved, which we
don't need to know, girl. But then Shannon and Katy
get into it about the video recording of the crash out.
Shannon tells Katie that she violated her and she's now

(01:31:38):
categorically John Jansen level evil. She's worse than Alexis Bilino,
worse than Tamra Judge, and Shannon vows to never speak
to her again. Overall, will jin Son pay for my
student loans? Will anyone try to dip a French fry
in the cavea at Heather's birthday party? Will Shannon be
contractually obligated to break her vow of silence against Katie?
I guess we'll just have to wait to see.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
I want to start with Jen and her Son's student
loan saga.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
That's creat it's getting a little scammy, right, I.

Speaker 8 (01:32:10):
You know, you can not catch me paying for my
siblings student loans.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
No, no, no, no no, But like, well, it's can you
google this and we can we do a little real
time fact finding. I have had a few friends joined
the military, and upon such time joining the military, I'm
not sure if their their credit gets wiped or there
are like records get wipe or but something there's some

(01:32:34):
truth to that where like once you join the military,
as like you know, a reward to like putting your
life on the line and serving your country.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
All debt is paid off something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Like that gets forgiven or or or something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:48):
It's not guarantee, but there are options available for debt relief.

Speaker 6 (01:32:51):
Yeah, joining military doesn't automatically wipe out your existing debts
or erase your credit history. However, service members may be
eligible for certain protections and programs that can help managing
and reducing debt, especially regarding student loans and interest rates.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Okay, so it seems like dad knows about this loophole
and is therefore trying to pile on his son's debt
with the assumption that the government or the armed forces
will forgive that debt. Am I does that sound is?

Speaker 7 (01:33:21):
Am? I?

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Understanding the scam correctly.

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
Allegedly Allegedly, that sounds correct because Ryan did make a
point to saying that he wished that the father was
more hands on and that he's a little bit more
hands off.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I mean Ryan being like I would never put that
on my child. That's a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
Yeah, I's not doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Sniff an alleged scammer.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Anyone noticed how Ryan's teeth matched his white T shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
It wasn't a T shirt. Why was he wearing a hoodie,
a white hoodie with a blazer jacket.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Suit jacket because men's fashion Like men.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
He's at a Heather Debro black tie, his in a
gown men.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Most men will freeze their fashion and whatever they think
was popular when they were like going out to the bar.

Speaker 8 (01:34:15):
Have you seen Adam Sandler on a red carpet?

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
Are you gonna act like we didn't watch last season
when he goes to pick out clothing and it was
like paint splatter, like graffiti on a button down like Babe's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
But it's just like you did, like you wore the
suit jacket so like you just needed to be like
comfy cozy underneath and like wear your hoodie that kind
of looked.

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
Like the guy from Subwoy Surfers.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
It's like, I like it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
It's it's business casual. The casual is the hoodie, the
business is the blazer.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Yeah, best I got okay, But I mean Jen's reaction
at that restaurant to Heather, I feel like was warranted.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
Tama said that her lawyer recommended that if Ryan and
Jen were going to be there, specifically Ryan, that she
shouldn't come. Then Heather was like, well, I I want
you all to come. I just wanted to see how
you felt about like maybe if like Ryan didn't come.
And then that's when Jen was like, no, you either
invite Ryan or you know you're choosing Tamra. And Tamara's
not a good friend.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Oh I love Tamra until the day that I die.
Does that mean I agree with everything she does? Absolutely not,
avolutely not, But I do love her. I think she
has a great housewife. She's an iconic housewife. She's the
only housewife who honestly gives me what I need these days.
But like, you know, I think Jen was valid and

(01:35:34):
being like she had she told the world my house
was rated by the FBI when it never was like that.
Caused issues for my children and like, yeah, definitely, you know, warranted.

Speaker 6 (01:35:45):
So it's like Tamra's like messy in a way that's
very intentional, Like we obviously know she's going to show
up to the party with somebody that's going to cause
some drama, and it's like she's she's a great housewife
in the sense of being intentional about it. But I
think it's funny. The entire episode is about her not
taking accountability, which she does reason everything that she does. Yes,
in comparison, I feel like Katie. I think Katie's a

(01:36:07):
little messy, but I think it was a little unintentional
as well, Like I think Tama would have sent showed
that to Alexis knowing the legal legality of it and everything,
where I'm like, I feel like Katie sent that voice
recording or audio recording or video recording based off of
like showing it to Alexis as friends, but I don't
think she thought about the fact of like the legal implications,
the way that Shannon's like accusing.

Speaker 8 (01:36:28):
Her of Katie's that friend that you're just like, girl.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
I think she's just trying to find her place.

Speaker 8 (01:36:33):
I'm like, you're trying and I want to support you,
but you gotta think, you gotta like think about the
repercussions of your actions.

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
But I mean that with all the love in my.

Speaker 6 (01:36:44):
Heart, and I generally do think that she didn't think
what she did was that big of a deal until
it's being explained to her, and even then she's still
trying to reason it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
So yeah, yeah, but it's tough when you really smart
people act stupid. And I don't know Katie personally, but
she seems like a very intel person.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
I mean, she was like defending She's like, well, no,
you came in and it was a shared space and
I'm on a zoom call with business part. It's like
she was definitely trying to defend her her part recording
and Shannon being like, you go the fuck outside, Like
you walk out of where it's noisy. If I take
a phone call in a restaurant and it's noisy, I'm
not like, everyone, please quiet it down. I'm on a call.

Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
I step outside like well, and Shandon did make a
good point with the like it wasn't that important because
you did hang up on them to record me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
I'm curious Sierra specifically is married too. I mean everyone
the question for everyone, but how do you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
View like not Natalie Sierra specifically Mary Too, everyone.

Speaker 8 (01:37:51):
Happy?

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
You know, the reality TV in general, like you know,
in every platform, it seems like they kind of have
like the tip types of raality TV, love competition shows,
Love Island like, and then Bravo universe seems to be
this very specific universe where it's like how scripted is
it versus staged you know, like bad be you know,

(01:38:14):
it's just like we've heard rumors about bonuses being paid
to like people who are more interesting, and it's like
we've talked, you know, to people like Tom Schwartz where
it's just like sometimes it'd be like, well, you know,
sometimes you lean into it for for TV, and I'm
just like, where where do you draw the line between
like Tamra for example, Like when we meet Tamra in person,

(01:38:37):
you know, she's charming, she's engaging, she I don't she
seems cool, right, and then she does things on camera
where you're just like that, that's that's tough, you know,
but like, do we do I'm curious here do you
give them a pass because they're performing as housewives, like
doing a job with the assumption that it's not like

(01:39:00):
it's not real reality TV, it's Bravo reality TV, or
like versus you know, like a love competition show like
Love Island, where it's like they're not in on it
with producers, they're not doing scenes, They're they're thrown into
a very controlled environment, you know, cut off from the

(01:39:21):
outside world and thrown into a fire and told to react.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
And I'm just like, where do you? And I feel
like a lot of Bravo.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Is debating the characters of these people versus like what
is like unforgivable behavior or versus like what is like
just messy drama?

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 (01:39:41):
Yeah, it's a tough question though, because it's like, I
don't know, I've seen some some crazy shit, and especially
earlier seasons of Housewives, there were no there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Were no boundaries.

Speaker 6 (01:39:52):
I mean, Kim Richards just is saying anything was touchable, alcoholism, family, whatever.
I think it's mainly like where I'm my issue with Tama,
for example, is that it's that, you know, it's the
same stuff over and over again every season, where it's
just like I wish I could have a season where
I just enjoyed you enjoying people but I'm like the
same time, that's not what the show is about, and
that's not who her character is.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Like I don't know if that.

Speaker 6 (01:40:14):
Is who she is or if that's the character she
feels like she has to show up for as for
the next three months of filming. So like that's where
it does get hard, because then it's like when you
see what they're doing on their outside life. Some of
these reality TV stars I don't follow or like I
don't see like whatever charities they're a part of, whatever
else they're doing to like give back, I'm seeing you
for three months and then unfollowed and you know, until
you pop back up on my screen. So it's kind

(01:40:36):
of hard to judge to the only way that I
really judges how they come back the next season and
after like how deplorable whatever their behavior was the previous season,
How are you showing up and how are you righting
your wrongs or are you going to commit to it?
And if you're committing to it, everybody loves a good villain.
They're just not my favorites on the cast generally, because
sometimes I'm like, I feel like, for example, Gertie, how
Gerdy reacted in that situation. I understand now, because I'm like, yeah,

(01:40:59):
I was felt to be crazy or that I'm a
liar based off of the truth that I'm telling, Like
that would get frustrating. So I don't know how drastic
I would go knowing that I only have X amount
of time to get this story out, to get the
truth out and what's actually going to end up in
the episode versus what's cut. So I'm like, she knew
that she had to make this grand announcement because that's
going to make an episode versus pulling Julia to the

(01:41:20):
side and having a one on one.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
So who's your favorite on no c oh, that's so hard.
I actually just unfollowed Jen, so like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
I don't followed Jen.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
I just wasn't interested. Yeah, I'm pretty brutal.

Speaker 6 (01:41:35):
I guess Heather du bro, But that's just because I'm like,
but Heather's so on her own planet that it's just
like and I consistently get the same thing. I get
my shampers, I get my caavyar bumps, I get my my.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
They're they're playing a little fast and loose with these
Heather Rich parties, because like, I think we all know
who's throwing these parties. And if you're going to just
talk about how expensive these parties are, it can't look
like there's twelve people in the background, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
It's hard to get an invite to an HD event. Yeah,
it definitely wasn't giving Summer House party full invite.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Like, No, Well, I have no doubt that Heather and
Terry are wealthy and have a ton of money, and
I'm sure Heather has thrown parties that she's actually paid
for by herself, and I'm sure they've been iconic, and
I think they're just conveying that brand.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
You don't think that she paid for that party?

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
No, I don't think Bravo.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
I don't think any of these people pay for any
of these trips or parties period. If it's on camera,
I think it's part of the show. If it's part
of the storyline, it's part of production. It's just like,
come on, this isn't WWE wrestling in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
People come on.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Like it's but like, you know, like at least at
least fill the room, you know what I'm saying, fill
the room.

Speaker 8 (01:42:52):
Was Gretchen there because I missed her?

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:42:54):
She was.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Yeah, they're talking about where Tamra is and how she is.

Speaker 8 (01:42:58):
Oh that was Slade's pet and she broke Slade's penis.
I will say that Gretchen. I have not watched early
seasons of OCI. I do not know the Gretchen law,
but the way she came out full body with it's
not the same.

Speaker 5 (01:43:13):
She's taking it for me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
This season, she's really been enjoyable to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Tamar's response with ohka ten times better.

Speaker 8 (01:43:22):
Like that's I think that's what's gonna make Tamra work
this season is she has like the whole like I'm
in therapy, I'm healing, I'm learning about my traumas.

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
And then as soon as that happened.

Speaker 8 (01:43:32):
Bam, biggest threat comes in. It's literally it's giving WWE.
It's like you're bringing in the heavy weight of Gretchen
to like finally put Tamra in her place, and like
how does she handle this?

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
And I'm thinking that they're gonna suspected his dick would
be on blast.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
I don't think Slade gives a ship. I don't think Slade. Yeah,
Emily's husband was super uncomfortable during that conversation, totally look
at his face the entirety just met. It seems like
and I'm thinking about your dick right now.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Shoes to bowling only? Is that hot? Or is that
a nick?

Speaker 5 (01:44:07):
How good are you a bowling?

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Does it matter?

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
I mean, I feel like carrying your shoes with you,
like through a parking lot into the place.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Better than roller skates.

Speaker 8 (01:44:18):
I would say, roller skates is better.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
Than do you?

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Why do you want your feelings to get hurt?

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
I am proud about my roller skating ability, and I
cannot wait till my daughter's going off the roller skating
She already we already danced together.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
She loves to dance.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
And I cannot wait till our Saturday morning roller skating outings.
And you can offuck yourselves because all the other dads
wok like losers on the sidelines and I will be spinning, yeah,
gliding on that hardwood floor that they call a roller
skating rink, and I'll think I'm hot.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
That's all that matters. It's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
All right, Well, I think that I'll do it for
this episode. Thank you to our guest Jonathan Johnson and
Gertie Obrera. We appreciate them both coming on and appreciate
you guys, listening. We'll see you back on Thursday for
another jam packed episode. We'll see you then, Bye bye,

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