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Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's Wednesday. You know what that means. It's time for
all the talk with the aw fat podcast team here
with Barry and MK. Tonight, this is Kelson. We just
saw the fallout episode of aa W Dynamite started with
Hangman Adam Page coming to the ring the new a
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W World Champion. It was expected I did that, either
of you guys. Don't expect Hangman to open the show?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
No, no, it would Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What do you guys think of what he said?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Okay, you go first.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, you know, it makes a lot of sense. He
thanked us for all the we've been through, hanging in,
hanging in there, through this, and he knows his place
in aw it's to make us fans happy and that's
what he wanted through all those I applaud him. I
think it's gonna be a great champ. I just hope
Tony books it well for him.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, what about you Berry? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I agree with him, Kay quite a bit. His promo
was the healing promo. I think a lot of US
fans needed to kind of pull together the trials and
tribulations we've gone through over the last year, specifically the
last nine months or so with Max as the champ
and it sets up the new season for AW and
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I'm excited to see who they line up as this
new challenger. And I'll tell you, man, it was great
to see that belt on TV again tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah. It was. You know, you think a lot of people,
including Suarez, Strickland and were either being disappointed that Swerve
didn't come out. No, no, neither was I because it
was it was Hangman's moment.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And Drew you hit the nail on the head Kelson,
it was it was him. It would have taken away
from that. He is the centerpiece. He is the champion.
I liked that he was the only person out there
for the entire seven.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah. Although I don't know if you caught this, but
on X after Hangman, thank Swerve, Swerve immediately posted You're welcome.
I mean it was like it was like seconds later.
I mean it was like he was that is had
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it piped already, was just waiting up press the said button.
It was actually kind of kind of funny. So yeah,
I mean, I I I. We are going to talk
some more about Hangman later on in the show. One
of the things that well, well, we're just gonna move on.
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We had Kyle Fletcher and Mascarat Dorada. This was the
if I'm not mistaken, well they had the Ocada squash batch.
This was the only like singles match on the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Thought this match over delivered too. Dorada got himself over tonight.
He did some really cool stuff. There was a great
spot in the corner where he jumped off the ropes
in like a corkscrew to grab Fletcher before giving him
the Hurricanana off the turnbuckle. I've never seen that before.
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It may have happened on TV and I missed it,
but I've never seen that. I thought that was great
and he looked great. I thought this was a really
fun singles match, a lot of fun back and forth
until Fletcher, who should have won, put on the heat
at the end and took care of business. And I
thought Derata did a lot to get himself over and
it was a great way to kick off the show.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah. I mean or you said something Barry that kind
of resonated with me just now. Fletcher should have won.
I think that if Adam Cole had been able to
wrestle at all in do you think Fletcher would have won?
If it would have been Fletcher versus Cole. Yeah, yeah,
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me too. And it was apparently not that ring apron
spot that injured Cole, but lariat that he took. And
I can't remember who gave him the lariat.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And like, I just want to surprise about the concussion
news too, because usually if there's a concussion, you can
kind of pick up on it. The timing gets a
little off, somebody isn't in there. But I went back
and I watched that match, and like, I didn't see
anything that led me to believe was a concussion, But
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when he came out at all In, that was the
only thing that I could think of, just knowing the
severity of when you have a severe concussion like he
did and you get a subsequent one that can be
career ending him and you know, we know Brett Hart,
Christna Winsky, other players in the NFL. It was a bummer,
but I think it was going to win regardless.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I don't know if you saw the news, you know,
because they there were reports about Adam Cole. There was
an actual interview with Tony Kahan talking about Adam Cole
when Adam Cole came out at all In, just before
he came out. He had every intention of retiring, they said,
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and they talked him out of it, you know, just
going out.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I heard bil comment from a couple of people.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, but apparently this was not something like Adam Cole
woke up that morning and didn't feel good. This is
something that he has been struggling with. They didn't say
how long, but the way they kind of alluded to
that it's not been you know, this has been several
days that he hasn't been sleeping, you know, stomach's not
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feeling great.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know. Yeah, my brother, my brother has he played
college soccer and he was a forward. Anybody who's played
either defense or forward in soccer knows with cornerkicks and stuff,
there's there's a lot of a lot of head knocket
in there in collisions and it's not like in football,
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but you don't have the benefit of a helmet either,
and he suffered several concussions to the point where he
decided to retire from playing college soccer because one more
could have been could have tipped you over the edge,
and to your point, Kelson, after he'd get it, it'd
be even a minor one, you know, Yeah, he'd have
three or four days where he he'd get spells, a vertigo,
he'd throw up, he couldn't sleep, he'd suddenly forget where
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he was, you know, and it's we know Cole severe.
We remember from the promo when he came back, how
bad it was. Yeah, that's it's really dangerous.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. I mean, look, people have been paying. I hate
to use the word tribute, but people have been And
when I say people, I'm talking about wrestlers not only
in AAW but in WWE and elsewhere, been paying and
been making remarks. Let me put it that way, making
remarks about Adam Cole. The dude is universally loved in
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those locker rooms. There's no if answer butts about it.
You know, he may be a heel on TV at times,
but he's not a heel in the locker room. It's
amazing how many people love this guy. It really isn't it.
And it made me feel I felt. I feel bad
for anybody in any company to gets injured, like when
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liv Morgan got injured. That was horrible. You don't want
to see stuff like that. But you know, not knowing
these wrestlers personally and only going by how they're presented,
or how they present themselves on TV. It's interesting to
see and hear people's thoughts about them. That's that's really all. Well,
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let's move on because one of the questions of the
of the Night really got answered because when they did
the men and Women's Casino Gauntlet matches, we didn't know
what the winners got. We know that they got a contract,
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but is it something that it said guaranteed future title shot?
Is it like a money in the bank thing where
they can cash it in at any time, or is
it something that happens where a matches booked by the
book or Tony Kahn. They Sean Ross Sapp asked Tony
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Khan that question, and Tony Kahn's answered this was after
all in was I don't know. We're going to talk
to the winners and see how we want to handle it.
Well tonight they basically said about execution, no, you can.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The canon for the the title shot is like, I'm
wanting the bank cash in, but they've never said you
couldn't sick when you want to match as well. And
I think that's the new piece that's kind of opened
up with Athena tonight, is that, well, we'll talk about
MGF as well, but they can they can pick a
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match too, So yeah, I think they're kind of developing
that a little bit more. And way back when we
were kind of fantasy booking a few months ago about
this kind of stuff, it might have been a different
casino shot. Somebody had mentioned, you know what if Athena
wins and she challenged is Mercedes for the TBS title.
I don't know if they've ever said which title has
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to be for. I think maybe they have. I don't know,
but that would be a fun wrinkle. They threw that
in there too.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
On the contract if you go back and watch it,
because you can actually read the contract what it says.
It's as guaranteed world title shot. Okay, but it seems
to me like if you had a guaranteed world title
shot and you want to do that, take that and
make it a TBS title shot or a title shot,
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you should be able to. I mean, big deal. But yeah,
you know MK mentioned that, you know, if you paid
attention tonight, Athina did say that, you know, kind of tease,
Am I going to execute this contract? Now? That's the
wordings use? Execute? Yeah, right, earlier in the earlier in
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the night, when they did their hurt syndicate. Vignette at
JF used those exact same words. Yeah, so it is
literally confirmed. It's the money in the bank type thing.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Now hasn't ever been in non cash like I think
all of them have been cashing.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So far right believe there was I I but I
can't really tell because they've had some money in the bank,
not money in the bank. They've had some gauntlets that
were nowhere near as hype is the one we just
had at all in I think the.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
First two with Will when because Will won the first two,
I think those were set matches for like the next
week or something. But I think after those first two,
to your point, Kelson, it's been cash's I think that's
the expand.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And everything drawn a blank. Would you say Will you
talked to Will? Sorry? I was like, maybe it was
Will Hobbs because I was I was actually nervous. By
the way. I don't know if you saw this, but
fightfulist Fifel did did report during the show Will Osprey
is taking time off for me, you know, did not
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say how long, but he is.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, I bet he'll show up at Forbidden Door take
off now, spend some time back home with the Missus
in London, and uh that man having made the London
of the United States flights twice and it's eleven days.
That's a that's tough to do every week.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Man, I don't well, he's not going to be spending
time with the Missus in London because the Missus is
going to be fighting, yeah at tomorrow at Collision. No,
not tomorrow. It is a live Saturday show from what
I understand this.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Week, I thought they said they're taping tomorrow on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, misunderstood. But anyway, so maybe Will is down holding
down the fort with you know, the kid giving giving
Alex windsor Windsa.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You got to say, I think she needs to go
by the missis the Missus Alex Winso.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But anyway, look there we had I'm stupid, you know,
I really am. I'm an idiot and stupid is as
stupid does, and I enjoy stupid stuff. And the Bucks
the Bucks vignette the back coming in with an uber
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and then having having just like dilapidated uh locker room
and then contract yeah, and then coming out for the
ape man tag and it looked like a twelve year
old had done their logo as bet Dick and the
comic their at their at their video screen showed highlights
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of them getting annihilated. It was stupid, but it was
the best type of stupid.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I was so so much touch potential in exploiting that,
Like I want to see vignettes where they're kicked out
of like the Delta sky Miles Club or whatever that's called,
or they use their American Express black and it's denied
they can't get dinner, or they show up for dinner
reservations at this fancy place and I'm like, oh, sorry,
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we don't have a table, like I want to see.
There is a lot they can mine with this, to
your Pointkelson, like little things like they did the flex
for the Pyro and there was no pyro and then they.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Cut to the Yeah, they just to introduce them like
they were job, like the job or tag team that
didn't get an entrance, like oh so good, it was.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So good, you see, just accidentally, you know, introduce them
as the workhorseman or something like that. You know.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, That's what I love about the young Bucks. They're
not afraid to make them so and sometimes they're not
afraid to be the butt of the joke. And that's
why I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, I you know, look, anybody that does stuff like
this that happened to night, I appreciate it. I really do.
It's stupid, but it's the best type of stupid. I
can watch this. This is good something something. Yeah, it's
it's something that you know, three year old me, you know,
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which was you know, five years ago. Uh likes. And
to be honest with that, I don't even remember who
won the eight man tag team match. It really didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Just to say got the pin on bandido, which sets
up the Ring of Honor title.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's true. Poppi's my boy, and like, oh man, he
got the pin. I was hooting and hollering this. Of
course it makes sense when those eight came out, we
should have seen it. We know he challenged him at
the postmatch stuff with the taper views, so as a
con match man, I love their party matches.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Then we had Adam Copeland. I refuse to call him Cope.
I just can't. Adam Copeland came to the ring, and
of course he did his spiel. Stokely Hathaway came to
the ring. I if if Copeland touches FTR he's fired
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according to Tony Kahan. Yeah, why that made no sense
to me. Why would Tony Kahan say that? And FDR
has just been breaking backs and balls for the last
several weeks. Hopeland just came back. There's it didn't mean
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Could anybody explain this to me?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I agree, go ahead and no, no, I'm agreeing. It
didn't make any sense. I knew that he was attack stokely,
but I think this is going to gear up to
probably him teaming with the outrunners and and finding ways
to get involved until they eventually make a match with
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him or Christian comes around. I don't know whichever happens first.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, uh, I don't know. I mean, I just don't.
I just don't know. I mean, because this it just
it seems like doing this stipulation or whatever you want
to call it, kind of backs Copeland into a corner
a little bit, not being able to explore certain things.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, a couple of pieces too, though. Is it also
gives them flexibility for physical altercations. You know, Copeland is
coming back off an injury, so having something that buys
them a little time to kind of ease him back
into that physicality isn't the worst thing to do. To
your point, Kelson, I think what they did is silly.
All it takes is a pre recorder Tony Kahan saying,
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you know, and the interests of the business we are.
If FDR touches Copeland, or Copeland touches FDR, you're both fired.
Like you can accomplish the same thing a little bit better.
But setting them aside, this gives them flexibility. To your point, Yeah,
to your point, MK, you can work in a six
man tag or a tag match where the outrunners or
proxies to Copeland in there with whatever and they can
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they can tag up and until they bring a Christian.
But it does give him some time to kind of
work in that physicality. I don't know if you know
what he's cleared for. He did the spear, and I
do want to pause for a second. People don't know
that Stokely is like he's trained as a wrestler, Like
the dude can bump and boy did he take that
spirit like a champ tonight. So perhaps to Sooakley made
the spirit look like and William Bucks and he knows
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how to takes some bumps out there. But I don't
know what he's cleared for you know, maybe maybe they're
not ready to do some more of that stuff and
there's some limited physicality so that gives them a little
flexibility if that's if that's one of the reasons they
did that, And that's kind of the first thing that
popped into my head.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah about stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Dumb way to do it. Yeah, it's a dumb way
to do it, but I think that maybe why they
did it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You've made a good point in that. I want to
just bring up a couple things. You made a good
point that Tony Khan could have come out and said
Adam Copland is not allowed to touch FTR. If he does,
he's fired or fined or whatever they want to I
think fired is a little bit too extreme, but he
should have said the same thing to FTR. I don't
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understand the one way street. It's a two way street.
The thing. The other thing, I don't know if any
Barry you probably saw it. You probably know about him
much more than I do. But there was from several
years ago a thing with Stokely Hathaway in an ind
match where apparently they just like had him against the
ring apron outside the ring and they had people out
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of the crowd just come and slap them. Yeah, and
at one point it didn't wind up. At what point
this guy walks up and he's got like this eight
month old baby in his hand, and he grabs a
baby's head and slaps stokely. Stokely looked like he was
going to the convulsions for this little baby slap.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It was. It was.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm an idiot and I'm stupid, and I like that
kind of stuff. I don't know, and there are people
to be like, oh, that just ruins wrestling. No, it doesn't.
Wrestling is supposed to be fun. Rustling is supposed to
be fun. I get it takes Yeah, I don't want
it to be serious and you know, melancholy and frankly boring.
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I want to have fun. I want to root and
get a payoff. You know before nine months past, hint, hint.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Hey, it was worth it, man, the payoff it all
in wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It was. It worked, I see it. I don't think
I don't think it was. I didn't think it worked
at all.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
But that it was exciting that at all in the
biggest of the year.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
That was the common moment for eight of.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You when he got the Let me put it this way,
when he opened the briefcase and he held the if
people saw the the title. Okay, bear with me here. Okay,
First of all, there's two points I want to make.
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I think that you would have had the same reaction,
maybe with smaller crowds, had it been done at Revolution
or Double or nothing or whatever. Okay, you would have
gotten the same reaction, right, But that that's not the
point that I want to make here. Okay, it could
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have been Mark Briscoe, it could have been Christian Cage,
it could have been any male wrestler on the roster
opening up that briefcase, and it would have gotten maybe
not as big as a reaction, but it still would
have gotten a huge reaction. Why because people were tired.
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They were nothing against, nothing against hangman Adam Paige. But
you cannot convince me it's worse Strickland when they've gotten
just as big of a reaction. You cannot convince me
to will os pray it was not the payoff. It
was it's finally freaking over.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
There's yeah, go ahead, go ahead, okay, exactly. I was there.
I was tired at the end of it. There's some
matches I mentioned because I was so tired. But I
don't think people were paying attention to the briefcase at
the end. They didn't really care there. They were just
glad it was over. Uh glad that the Mockley ran
had ended and now we can move on to the chapter.
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Because the Arena nine, besides the dufos behind me was
was cheering for uh uh adam page So well, okay,
maybe ninety five or something like that, but there are
a few people appearing. But the guy behind me apparently
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was in love with Moxley and MJF and kept chatting
about seem punk. So but yeah, one of those guys.
But it was electric throughout the match. We loved it.
The crowd was on their feet the whole time, the
whole time, but then and near the end when everybody
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came out, everybody was on their feet. So so yeah,
I think the ending got over. But but the briefcase,
no one was saying anything. I was yelling about it,
but no one else really cared. It took for a
freaking aver for him to open that too.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's it narratively. There's a couple of things to consider here.
I don't think Pelson, you're too far off of them
aborting the storyline, but they wouldn't needed to have done
it early first quarter or like January February.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Once you get past that point, it starts to signify
something pretty significant, and this is a return to form
for the promotion with how they're building that up. After
Max held the title through January February issue, especially in
the March, it was clear it wasn't going to end
to All In because narratively it didn't make sense the
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build for that storyline and the redemption arc not only
of Hangman, but in this case, Hangman is a proxy
for all of AEW. The appropriate place for that plot
point to occur is that the biggest show of the year.
So once they kept it going past earlier in the
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year in the Hammerstein shows, and I don't what was
the first pay per view there, I don't remember, they
were stuck. And I don't mean stuck in a bad way,
I mean narratively, that was the natural path. If you
have any education in like leaving novels or writing screenplays
and stuff, you have to structure your plot points a
certain way and your actions lead to what occurs in
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those points, and that's that's that was the payoff. The
briefcase was a signification of that return to glory. John
Moxley was the black Cloud. He signified all of the
problems AW has been dealing with in the last two
and a half years with the cloud, with the crowds
going down, people ragging on the promotion, people saying there's
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no narratives, that it's a B tier, they're going to
go out of business. And that's what he was a
proxy four and building to all in ending the season
and starting the new season with Hangman as champion that
belt in front of everybody. That was the full arc
of AW and it needed to occur there. Honestly, it
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didn't matter who the wrestlers were, whether it was John
Moxley or Jay White in that role running the Death
Writers and whether it was Hangman Page or Kenny Omega
in that role, it didn't matter. But it was always
going to build to that moment because that's narratively where
it makes the most sense to have the most impact.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I get the whole Death Writer's reason for it. But
it started essentially, it started it all out in September
last year. By mid October, it was stale as shit,
it was nothing, and they should have taken care of
it November wherever. Whatever that I can't full gear about done.
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It should have been done. There was from full from
no from late October, mid October until July twelfth. I
felt bad for John Moxley because I personally feel that
there's there is no performer in a W that surpasses
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John Moxley in effort, okay, and he was given shit
to work with, I mean absolute shit, and it was
hard to watch. Frankly, I didn't watch. I didn't watch
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the main event. I turned the main event, I turned this,
turned it off. Wait until I looked at him, you know,
about forty minutes later, and I said, oh, Hangman one,
and then I went back and watched like this. I
had no interest and I still don't have have interest
in seeing anything to do with the Death Writers because
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it is so bad. It is awful. And I'm telling
you right now and this is this is the honest
of God's truth. Had Hangman lost that match all in
and this is the absolute truth. Right I was done,
he was losing.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It was again like there was narratively that doesn't work.
People they did it with Coody's just no, that was
a different story. It was a different story. It worked
in that.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I disagree with you. I totally disagree with you, because
because this didn't work to begin with.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I'm going to come back to that in a second, Pelson.
So I want to reference the earlier point where this
and once he had it past a certain like he
had held the belt for a certain way, the only
time point and the only time he could ever drop
it was all in. But coming to your point, this
full death writer storyline felt like two different storylines. The
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death writers of the first two or three weeks, that
full story feels like an alternate world to the death
writers we've had the last three months. The death writers
of the last three months had there just like threeish
fourish months has been the most cohesive and solid for
a heal faction. And if the whole run had been
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like that, people would not look sour on this ankle.
But to your point, Kelson, it started out hot. It
felt like they were going to do something and it
didn't happen, and they floundered for months in terribles in months,
and it's not that they were doing bad in the ring,
it just didn't make sense. To the point where by
the time it started to heat up again in the spring,
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I think they just all in could have felt like
even more they not had that four or five months
where they just struggled to figure it out. Man, I
agree with you all.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
The whole point is is it started out strong, remember,
because we were all we were even joking, you know,
it was attempted murders, and you know what, then then
it fell apart. And I honestly described the whole Death
Writers thing as groundhog Day. Yeah, you know, it was
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waking up and seeing the same thing with a light change.
I went to the Dynamite Rampage UH taping in mid
October and it was the show where I think it
was Isaiah Cassidy got his hand broken with the hammer, okay,
and I was like, what in the hell is this,
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especially when the next week he was back Eddie didn't
even have a bandage, a bandage on his hammer on
his hand. Okay. From that point on, I started zoning
out every time the Death Writers are on TV. Yeah,
and probably from about November until to night, I guess
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I just started. I just turned the TV off.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, well I turned to UH getting back to dynam I.
I just I didn't see the point of having this,
uh this match.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Honestly, we missed the whole We missed the whole, like
second hour. Yeah, before we get to the meaning.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
No, no, let's but let's just stop, because let's just
go back. We'll get to the trios match, the main event.
Let's talk about the women's four the women's four way,
because I thought that this really did something here because
stories here we had Sarrey Tekla and Green Amanada, and
(32:04):
we had will On Nightingale and Chris Statlander. I don't
know about you guys, but I think this puts something
to bed with Chris Statlander and will On Nightingale. They
are not getting back together.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, no, I love this match. Two things here. If
you're a fan of nineties all Japan pro wrestling or
early two thousand pro wrestling, Noah, you know how valuable
bag matches or four man matches can be to push
stories just with in ring stuff. And Queen Amanada and
(32:39):
Thekla's feud right now has involved, as far as I'm aware,
no vignettes. It's all the in ring stuff, and it
is all based on people thinking Amanada went on her
went into business for herself, and her match against Tecla,
and it has evolved into this thing where they just
beat the crap out of each other and everybody loves it.
And they've done it in the ring. And then to
(33:01):
your point with Kelson or to your point Kelson with
with Statton, Willow, like anybody who thought Statt was maybe
going to be a babyface or like a you know
in between her uh see, wrestled the total heel style.
She took heel shots on Willow, Willow dished out in
the back. I think this is going to be a
lot of fun and I love this. This was a
(33:21):
great women's CARDI match man, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Okay, if you remember the last time though, that they
had this match kind of match like this with Willow
and stat Lander, it was Willow that had the heel
that did the heel stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Really, I don't remember that they.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Got they walked into the ring, stat Lander reached out
her hand to shake Willow's hand, and Willow pop stat
Lander right now, gotcha. So I don't think that it's
a case of look, I kind of look at it
as hang man and swerve. It's not where one of
(34:01):
them is really a heel and one of them is
not a babyface, They're just them. The thing about this
match I did I did not see this as a
women's s fairway match. I saw this as Willow versus
stat at Tecla versus Queanamenada in singles matches.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But at the same time, you know, that's a great
way to put it. That's what it didn't feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Go ahead on the So I want to point out
that that Julia Hart coming down later and everything. That's
interesting pairing for me because they're not really big girls,
but they're so dominant and so they're a little bit
intimidating and I like those three together and I want
(34:42):
to see Julia Hart and Techle they do a tag
team women's tag team, and I think those two need
to be and not uh sky Blue.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well, do you do you think that there's a faction
coming up with these three women?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah? I do. I it's interesting to see an all
women's faction, and I wouldn't mind seeing one more. But
right now, they got what it takes to handle that.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, I mean, they go ahead.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Very few months ago, I was suggesting back in Penelope
before it was first coming back on the scene, and
she was kind of interacting with them a little bit.
I thought she was going to be the third number,
but they paired her up with Megan Baine, which was
great as well. I believe there is a place for
a female faction. They don't need to be a huge
dominant group. But you know, you look in like WWE's
(35:37):
got I think they're called Damage Controller. It was a
group called Damn. It was like three or four women's wrestlers.
It's cool to have a group like that, especially when
you're going to run the types of you know, Tony
likes to do four and six man tags. It works
better when one side's entirely on a team. That's why
the Kallis family works so great in these matches because
there's four or five of them, they're on the same team.
(35:58):
There's no doubts they're going to work together. You know,
having a heal fection like that with the women open
some of that up and you know, the three of
them is the Bad Girls Club or whatever they come
up with. I think I think it works straight go ahead.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
The one thing that I'll point out with if there
is going to be a faction with Julia Hart, Sky
Blue and Tecla, is that Julia Hart is one of
the wrestlers in the women's division that can tell a
story without opening her mouth, and that's what Tecla needs
because putting Techla on a mike is the is the
(36:32):
censor's worst nightmare. She drops if you've ever seen her
on on stardom, I'm like, well, start them. First of all,
you get a lot. They get away with a lot
more and stardom than they do in you know, the West.
And when I said they get away with it, they
(36:55):
get away with it a lot, whether it's in ring promos,
what they're saying during the match, uh, and what they
say backstage after matches, because they usually have a backstage
reaction to every match that happens. At start them. They
(37:16):
are like the most filthy mouth women you would ever
want to hear. I mean, it's just it's unbelievable the
stuff that comes up. We're not talking about you know,
four letter word, get rid of it, that's it we're
talking about. They're pretty passionate about put it. Just put
it that way, they're pretty passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Started is like launching an indie promotion that's only on
the internet. You know that would never do that kind
of stuff. On TV if they had a TV deal,
Like it's that type of approach. They're just completely unhinged
to your point, Kelson, But they have their major national promotion.
It doesn't make sense they shouldn't do that kind of stuff, you.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Know, I mean, there was there's there's a video on YouTube.
I though I brought it up before. Go look it up.
Just go and look up Tecla and Natsa Poi uh
and you'll see it. It's a it's like it looks
like it's a contract signing and there's Techla, there's a
there's a table, and sitting behind the table is Julia
(38:21):
and Carrie saying I think Tam Nakano and Rossio Gawa.
So it was it's about a three or four year
old video, right, and standing in front of a table
is Techla Natzi Poi, and the whole promo is both
of them just saying f you, f you, f you
(38:41):
just literally that's all they're doing. They're literally looking into
each other's eyes, grabbing each other's hair, whatever, and the
only words that come out of her mouth is f
you Dat's a poy f you, Tecla, f you DA's
a poy f you. Tech and that's it. That's a
whole video and it's funny. But it's so funny watching
(39:02):
Carrie Sane in the background because I love Carrie Sane, right,
and just her reaction was, like you can she was squirming.
She was so uncomfortable, you know, and it's yeah, and
because yeah, that's what what she was. As a matter
of fact, at that time, Carry Sane was in a
(39:23):
faction called Restart with That's a boy and uh uh
sorry no, so uh it's it's I don't know, it's
something else. It really is. Uh, you just got to
go watch it.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Said in the chat is the stardom is not for children.
It is not as it is almost as violent as
old school out women. I mean, it's great.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
You know what's weird about stardom is that look, I'm
going to tell you something here and it's please don't
take it to any take it anyway. You know. I
love Asian women. I think Asian women are most beautiful
women in the world. And started women are gorgeous and
(40:08):
they don't lead into that. Yeah, some of them take
like an idle persona and they have like these cute
voices and make cute poses and stuff like that, but
when the bell rings, they beat the shit out of
each other. Yeah, you know, and that's why I love started,
because they smack each other around. And I and I
(40:29):
brought this up, I believe last week we were talking
to thing about Japanese wrestling crowds is that they're mostly silent.
They don't make a lot of noise, right, So if
you're winding up and you're swinging hit somebody in the
face and it makes no sound, you can't there's no
(40:49):
way to sell it. Yeah, so it stardom. When these
matches are over, there's visible bruises of these women because
they're beating the wrap out of each other, and I
love every minute of it. It's like again but so yeah,
I mean wow. Frankly, stardom has a way of doing matches.
(41:14):
And one of the reasons why Queen Amanada and Techla
worked together is that Tecla works in the stardom style
and so does Queen Amanada. They are perfect together.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Anybody remember Mariah May's first match. Do you remember who
that was against?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I do not?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
It with Queen Amanada, and do you know why? It
was a blast and much to the point where people
I think it was even Brian Alvarez specifically at Restling
Observer complaining that Amanada got in more offense because they
worked the Stardom stiff style. Yeah, beat the crap out
of each other. Amanada. It was very similar to her
(41:59):
match against dec She got in a lot of offense
and then Mariah pulled in the one pulled out the
win in the end. But it was that it was
that Japanese Joshi stiff style. And because I mean that's
what Mariah came up with, it's clear that Amanana loves
that style because she went right into it with Tekla.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. And and just bring up
a couple of points, is that when Mariah May did debut,
after she had like two or three matches, Now, I
was familiar with Maria macause I watched Stardom. Oh yeah,
Mariah May was not an upper card wrestler at started.
(42:40):
She was midcard, lower midcard. It starredom. Okay, that's a
testament to just how good stardom is. Okay, Now, after
three four matches that Maria May had, the people were
talking like, you know what this is before she really
(43:02):
got totally it was like she was trying to still
probably try to prove herself to Tony Storm, so they
hadn't like become partners. I guess it's the best way.
Yet when Maria may have after their first four matches,
there are literally people in AW fandom, in the AW
fan Hub and on our Wrestling Hub discord that were
saying mariam A just may be the best women's wrestler
(43:25):
in AW And that was out there like four matches,
you know. And that's the other point I was gonna make,
And I know I've made this point again. When you're
looking at a group like Stardom, it's really difficult to
not look at them as cute little Japanese women, Okay,
(43:49):
because they are beautiful, they are athletic, you know what
I'm saying. But they're also supremely talented wrestlers. And I've
said this before. I cannot stand, cannot stand when I
hear the argument saying, oh NXT has the best women's division.
(44:11):
At the time not long ago, was oh TNA has
the best women's division, because TNA did have a fantastic
women's division not too terribly long ago, Oh WWE has
the best women's division. Ring and Water had a really
good women's division not very long ago. Now it's kind
of thinned down a little bit. Oh AW has the
best women's division maybe in North America, But if you're
(44:34):
talking about in the world, stardom kills everything. I'm sorry,
and I still get annoyed when I see somebody say, oh,
you know, you could say Aw's got a stack women's division,
but it does that because it does saying it's the best,
not even close. If you like women's wrestling and you're
not watching stardom, another testament to stardom is that, don't
(45:00):
get off this tangent.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Podcast.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah. Another testament to stardom is that they speak Japanese.
I don't speak Japanese, and I'm probably gonna guess that
a lot of the people listening to this podcast and
participating on his podcast don't speak Japanese. But you you'll
(45:24):
understand everything that's happening. That's that speaking of stardom, We'll
just keep going. Tony Storm came from stardom as well.
Did spend a whole lot of time there, but she did,
she did work there, and she had her moment in
(45:47):
the spotlight. I guess what did you guys think of this?
Is that the.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
First time we've had a Tits champ on national television
professional wrestling program.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Not if you count thunder Tits.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
We're not under tips just like tips like off of.
Is that the first time?
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I don't, I don't know, but it's wrestling.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I can't remember a Tits channel with or the Tits.
There was a Tits chant tonight and what was the
other one I heard for the first we deserve It?
We heard a crowd chip.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
That almost brought a tear to buy because I was like, yeah, really,
we really freaking did deserve it? Promo Yeah, but anyway.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
To promo was just yeah, very stormish she does. I
love how she stays in character throughout even her interviews.
She knows that stay in character. She knows how to
you know, it's little one line in the windows and
stuff like that hilarious, but when it comes down to it,
she knows how to deliver a good promo. Think her
(47:00):
and eventually Athena are going to get into some good
promos and there'll be a stark difference. I don't want
to backtrack into all land, but I think you'll see
a stark difference between promos battles between Athena and and
and Tony then Monette and Tony does it'll be a
(47:22):
whole lot better. I think.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Style on the mic, she's she's a little more natural
on the mic. She's got a good style. And I
agree it's going to be a fun clash. It's going
to feel a little more organic. But one thing for
Tony too is she's got so many catchphrases they are
not taking advantage of on T shirts. Like there's tsho
(47:45):
like Tit's ass shoe is on one. But like there's
so many sayings she has tramp like.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
This tramp is your chap, you know? Or still the cha.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Put it on a shirt, man, they give give it
to me on a shirt.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, I just matter of fact. I just money. I
just did a giveaway for three T shirts and it
ended in the month of June from the aw Fantom
sub reddit. I just did a random drawing for the
you know, the contributors there, and the three winners. One
of them took a Megan Maine shirt, one of them,
(48:24):
one of them took a Tony Storm shirt, and the
third took a Mike Speedball Mike Bailey shirt. I just
that's thought that was interesting that two or the three
took a women's shirt and the last took somebody who's
relatively new to the company. And I think that speaks
(48:44):
well because one of the biggest complaints about a w
from non fans is that AW doesn't create start. Yeah,
bullsh it. So that's that. Look, nobody creates stars on
(49:05):
their own because when you look at anybody in AW
and you look at anybody at WWE, generally speaking, it's
rare that they didn't come from somewhere. Not everybody's like
Jade Cargill, who had their first match ever in AW
and then had like this ungodly streak with the TBS
(49:25):
TBS title. You know, most people came from somewhere.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Sampunk was not a WWE wrestler until he became a
WWE wrestler. He was with Bring of Honor before that,
you know, at other places before that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
So so.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
People work to make themselves who they are and then
hopefully you get a good story to go with it.
And that's you know, Tony Storm got that, I mean,
and that's what the Storm is going. I'm gonna keep
going with the women here because, uh, if you look
at our notes, the notes that I typed up I
(50:08):
didn't call it the patriarchy. I called it the matriarchy.
This is mother Wayne's you know.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah, it was the sisters were I didn't know she
had sisters. They were the children watching Mother Wayne.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Well, I will say this, I was really look nick
Wayne was kind of hookey in his and so was
his Mother Wayne.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
She was.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
They're not the greatest problem keep saban However.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
He's good, he's good.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
I thought Mother Wayne's talk was breastacular. I'm sorry, spectacular
it was, she was not.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Always there like him.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
I missed a lot of that because I was so hot.
I had to go to the refrigerator to freezer to
get a breastacle, I mean a popsicle.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Like I want to come back to your dumb stuff
from earlier in the segment Calson, Like, like, I'm a
big fan of clever dumb comedy for the sake of
being dumb. I think there is a very good place
for that. But one of the things that always like,
I think it's hilarious, but for the wrong reasons. It's
just gratuitous TNA for no reason. And like I was
(51:31):
laughing at Mother Wayne and this whole thing but for
the wrong reasons. Like I'm like, this is just ridiculous
over the top, like it was, it was funny, but
like it totally took away from the serious promo Knicks
get and then.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
You know, like like.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I'm trying to buy your son? Is this bad guy?
You know? What's your whos in front of the who?
Speaker 1 (51:56):
You know? Like come? The problem there was Barry is
that Uh Nick Wayne was sitting down the mother Wayne
is like what is she seven foot too? I don't
know very she literally had to bed over so that
she get the frame. Well she really took up the frame. Yeah,
(52:16):
I don't think it was intense. Maybe it was intentional.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, she's a person, like she's she's she's she's gonna
she's a big person.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, big out but uh but she was a star.
But uh I felt about Nick trying to be serious
when you have that over your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
But uh, Nick Wayne's mom has got.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Mountains of Nick Wayne.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Uh video Yeah, youd quett, what was it the was
it Stacy's mom?
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Yeah, Stacy's mom.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
I think I think the cat was in the actual
music video of that. Really maybe I think there was
one video Redee pick I don't know what because it
was years ago. A Piquette was she played a school
teacher maybe in one of the videos, uh, you know,
(53:19):
and of course she was behind a desk, you know,
in the first part of the video, and then the
last part of the video she's in a bikini for
whatever reason, I don't know, but she's in a bikini
for the you know. And I didn't know about it
until I saw an interview with Renee Redeka Piquette when
she first came to a w and she was kind
of making fun of herself for being in this video,
(53:43):
you know, like, yeah, I actually did this music video
for whoever. I can't remember. But if you go and
just look up Fornee Piquette a music video, you'll find
what music video she was in. And if you ever
want to see a pretty young I mean I'm not
talking teenager, but I'm talking like it her probably early twenties,
(54:04):
Rene Piquette in a little bikini, there's your chance.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Said she was in a he had a part in
the Tom Green music video, and then she's a video
for Kelly Clarkson's two thousand and five song Behind These
Hazel Eyes.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
It was the Tom It was the Tom Green video.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
There it is.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Well, of course they're both Canadians.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
I thought it was Stacy's mom, but whatever. So yeah, so,
I mean I guess they're they're they're gonna give the
reins to the patriarchy, to the patriarch. Now, yeah, I
think I think Kip Saviian's got to step up and
hold this together.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah, they need to work with Nick on promo a
little bit and delivery. But he is a future. Look,
he's gone places.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
It's only twenty, only twenty.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
He's good at the ring, and he's put on a
lot of muscle.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, and a lot fifteen pounds twenty five. But yeah,
by the time he gets about twenty five, he needs
about another fifteen more pounds. So that's you know, one
to two pounds lean Massy year, totally doable. He's only twenty, he's.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Got I think it's awesome. Yeah, yeah, Sabe.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
It is another wrestler that we have talked about a
lot on the nearly two and a half years we've
been doing these podcasts. We're the podcasters are I don't
know about you two guys, but the podcasters we've had
on this show are big fans of keep saying it.
I do not understand why they're holding him back, because
(55:50):
I really think I think he's got it.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
He's a good wrestler. He not afraid of taking bumps,
he's not afraid of putting people over, and he's just
he's great on the mic, and he's just fun to
watch marked exactly, but that was by his point. And
he's marketable. He's a good looking guy.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Him and him and his wife are very attractive.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Like the time when he was with Miro, he really
shine there and and he inured or something, and so
he came back with the different hairstyle and different look.
I think that really helped him.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, well maybe with with pushing out of the way,
we'll see we'll see a little more of him. And
got a taste of that tonight because Lucasaurus is due
back soon too, and they're a man down, so I
could see up there a little bit.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Don't don't forget about Cactus Jack Perry.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I mean, yeah, yeah, that was scary.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
That I made. I made a post on the subreddits
great as of Wrestling, aw fan of I put it
on Blue Sky, put it on Discord, I put it everywhere.
I did a face morph between McK foley and Jack Perry,
and the whole point of it was come up combined
two wrestlers names to come up with another wrestler. So
(57:23):
that's where Cactus Jack Perry came from. See two Wrestlers.
But when I did a graphic for it, I did
a face swap, which I don't do often. I put
I got a picture of mc foley, and I put
Jack Perry's face in place of mcfoley's face, and for
(57:45):
whatever reason, it looked like Dennis Quaid dressed up as mcfoley.
It's the weirdest looking, scariest picture ever, just going aw
fanub and great as a wrestling and you'll see it.
It's it's it's disturbing. There's no way it's creepy.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Uh you know it's not creepy. Ocata and Swerve in
a paper match.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
God trivia question for Barry and k Who did Ocada
beat tonight?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
He was uh, he was off? He was great value
Aaron Solo.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
Dropping umber one.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
Uh so what John cru CRUs, I know, John Cruise, Yeah,
well you know what a w and Hanson Talents Blue
Sky account will have a nice breakdown. Whoever it was tonight?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah, So let's get back to Octa versus Swerve. I
guess this is going to be the thing.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yes, I'm there for I'm there for it.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
Yeah, I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
H yeah. I mean, hey, if you're gonna go out,
I really would because if you go on the AW
roster page, octas on it three times now. It's it's
the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Somebody needs to step
up and they need Look, Tony Kahan needs to hire
a stupidity relations technician or something to like explain to
(59:27):
people who don't read minds through a television set, what
the hell is going on? Because I thought that this belt,
you know, the Unified AW Unified Championship took the place
of the Continental and the International Championship. No, no, We've
(59:51):
got Look, if you go on the AW roster page,
you'll be confused as hell. It's simple as that, because
o'conna is now listed as the Continental, International and Unified champion,
and I'm like, what's going on? What is going on?
You know what? I like vel Brat Velvet still listed
(01:00:14):
as the r O H TV Champion. Mida Shirkkwa is
on the a W rosters page is listed as the
interim r o H TV champion. But if you go
to the Rig of Honor Championship listing on the Ring
of Honor page, mita Shrek Cow is no one nowhere
on it. M H.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
It's like I don't care.
Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah, yeah, who cares?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I just like this is not taking anything away from
my enjoyment of television. I looked at the belts being
out there the same way as it was when the
Bank Bank Gang had the six titles, and two of
them were the A the Oldiew and the New Tag Champs,
Like whatever cares. I'm excited that Swerve is not who
I thought was going to be the first challenger to Okada.
(01:01:04):
I love the idea. If there's going to be somebody
that beats him, that's a great rub for Swerve. Doesn't
have to be You can work into a two match
few like do two matches here. He can get the
first win on Swerve and Swerve is the one who
beats him eventually. That's a great program. I wasn't expecting it,
and I'm really excited for this program.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you. I had not
put any thought into who was going to be the
challenge for yeah at all. So when he when Swerve
came out, it was like, wow, yeah, well that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
I don't know that they have any hit the path
together or just really the first time I've ever.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Met, not that I know of.
Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Maybe some tag matches back in the day, but I
can't think of any singles encounters between the two of them.
I don't like, it was a blank slate and they
went with Swerve, and I'm like, oh, yeah, let's keep
it with the as man. If this is gonna be
title one, be like, let's go with it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah. I mean, you know they they they eluded once
to Forbidden Door season, uh huh, but they really didn't
do anything Forbidden doorsh Forbidden Door is what is it?
August twenty fourth, so got what five weeks? It's a
(01:02:26):
forbidden Door? So it is what it is? I mean,
are you gonna see Athena and Tony Storm and Forbidden Door?
Who's Mercedes Monegan arrest?
Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
I've been thinking Alex windsor uh Swerve? Is Swerve and
Okata good Forbidden Door match? Or is that should be
all out?
Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Usually they do one or two aw Versity WI matches
and Forbidden Door, like they've done a title match w
and the restroom mixes. So I think I think in
this case, especially with a lot of success to the
tag matches, you kind of work in and counters. So
maybe Swerve and somebody tags with Opata and somebody from
(01:03:14):
New Japan. I don't know if they're going to have
any CMO folks, but that opens the door to to
a couple of tag matches where you can start getting
in the ring.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah, it's not on the graphic either. A Stardom which
is interesting. Now what the g one climax is that's
going on during the Forbidden Door season?
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Question, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Again?
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Uh? And then when you look at Stardom, their five
Star Grand Prix is also taking place during Forbidden Door season.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Well, let's face it. Let's face it. Uh do Japan's
roster is a little bit depleted right now, so as
Stardom's because they've got some injuries. I think Stardom is
a little bit of better shape because there's a lot
(01:04:11):
of wrestlers in Stardom that like that's a poy and
sorry you knew, that have never wrestled outside of Japan
once in their career. And they are. They just announced
that they're wrestling outside of Japan for the first time
in the next couple of weeks. So that's big because
when when they do those, when New Japan does the
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New Japan crossovers would start them, and they do them
sometimes in the United States, there's a lot of women
that don't come over because they just never leave Japan.
So there you go. So that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
You don't need to bring over the New Japan. The
Forbid Door season has always kind of been non canon
anyways to aw and they don't spend a whole lot
of time bringing over talent. And so you know, if
you're looking at the g One, is Zach Saber Jr.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
In it?
Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I think the champs in it?
Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
You can bring over like El Desperado. We already know
gay kids over you know, she's already in here. You
can bring in like Yoda, Suji, Great o'con any any
of those guys. You don't need a whole slate where
not everybody in The g One is going to be
working the whole time, so they can they can pull
(01:05:32):
over a couple of guys and put together a good show.
It's kind of just a mixed bag of things. Anyways,
go ahead, Kelson.
Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Tanahashi is wrestling in Forbidden Door that's already been announced. Yeah,
maybe maybe Nito, you know, they can keep his eye
in his head. I don't know, bring over.
Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I don't think we'll see Nito because he kind of
left New Japan and it's kind of weird. But you know,
get Shingle Tokagi over, show to Humano. Yeah, you can
put together good. Those guys are just gonna put on.
Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
I'd like to see. I'd like I'd like to see
like the pull the Club Boar Dogs against Bull Club
Gold if it's possible they have. But again, what's the
availability of these New Japan wrestlers. That's the problem. Yeah,
well it helps that it's in England and not in uh,
(01:06:23):
you know, California or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
MK brought up something earlier and we cut them off
because we weren't to that point yet. Uh. If I'm
not mistaken, MK, you alluded to with the trios match
the main event tonight that you weren't quite on board
with why they were doing it. Is that was that
what you said?
Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
I just thought they should have been off for a
few weeks for us to maybe when I miss them,
But like, I didn't see the point of having that
match altogether except for ring Darby in once once again,
like steeing up on the rafters and stuff. I thought
it was a pointless main event with my thing.
Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Okay, what about you, Berry, what did you think of
the main event of Dynamite?
Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
So I looked at tonight's episode as the first episode
of a new season of television, and you kind of
have to start moving your pieces around to set them
up for whatever direction you're going to take them in,
And to me, it made natural sense to kind of
have this six man. People can say they didn't need
(01:07:34):
it or could have done singles matches or a tag
without it, and they're all right, there's no real wrong
answer here. But watching this match, I saw them kind
of start to use this to move some pieces around
for some of the other angles in the direction they're
going to go. I don't think we're going to see
a John Moxley versus Hangman rematch based on how this went.
(01:07:54):
I think they're going to be going in some different directions,
and this was just kind of starting to get that movement.
It made sense to have them to get some of
those moments together, especially at mox and Hanger again. But
I didn't have a problem with that. Anytime I seen
my boy Hobbs on TV beating people up, I'm excited
about it, so I was cool with it.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
I was befuddled when Tony Kahn announced this match on Tuesday.
I feel I didn't have a problem with the match.
I just felt like hang Man had a page and
John Moxley should not have been in it. Yeah, I
especially after seeing it tonight, I feel that it absolutely
(01:08:32):
no sold the match it all in. Yeah, I agree,
then it diminished to match it all in. There was
no reason whatsoever to have it would have been better
for Moxley and Hangman not to have been in this match,
never had just been at tag match and uh yeah,
(01:08:54):
that's that's my opinion on it.
Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Uh yeah, that's one of my biggest cribes to.
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Match, where then they came in during a big run
in at the end and kind of.
Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Stood there faced off. They should not have wrestled. I
get why they did. I mean, people wanted to see
the new world Champion in the ring, and they wanted
to see the new World Champion and the former world
champion in the ring. I get it, it was a
little bit of fan service, but I just didn't think it.
(01:09:25):
I thought it no sold the It diminished the main
event of All In for me.
Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Yeah, I agree. It was a brutal match, and I
thought there should have been some time in between, maybe
there's two facing off and stuff. But overall it was
a decent match. I liked Will Hobbs in it. But
you gotta think though, that Hobbs is kind of by himself.
Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I don't know what Shabada is doing, but Joe has
been put out for a while for that, so that
trio's title is now gonna be hard to defend. So
I don't know what they're to do with that as well.
Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
You know, Joe's going to be on the Twist of
Metal Press tour, which with that that presstar ends on
July thirty first, so he's not going to be gone
what three weeks I mean, so he'll be back fairly soon.
Don't forget Hooks also in the wings h you know,
and you can always bring back that house.
Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
I think there's a there's a solid argument that that
you should have kept maybe Mocks off TV to kind
of sell that he choked down or whatever. But or
or keep them apart from each other. I think I
think it was the right call having them both on TV.
I know, I know as much as people are sick
of Death Writers, this episode let me know that they're
(01:10:43):
still going to stay around as a heel faction. There's
just going to be some other stuff going on, and
I'm okay with that. I think part of the problem
with their faction was that he had the title. He
was getting in the way of stuff people wanted to see,
and having them away or whatever or just kind of
in the orbit of the title, okay with yeah, yeah,
but I I I don't take issue with people who
(01:11:05):
would have preferred they had something else on. I think
that's a fair take.
Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
What I wanted to see tonight from the Death Writers
was Wheeler Utah and Claudio Cassigoli kind of looking at
John Moxley Lake we did everything that you asked us
to and you still lost. I wanted to see John
Moxley get probably Wheeler Dah and start beating the crap
(01:11:32):
I'm not in not in the ring, but beat the
crap up him in a backstage and vignette. Then when
they got to the ring. You can see the tension
between Wheeler Dah and John Moxley. Wheeler you it takes
the pin in this three way John Moxley that attacks
Wheeler Dah and then a figure as they do all
(01:11:52):
the time, in aw like like we can't tell and
we're not gonna know. In two seconds, a figure you're
wearing a black hood comes out to the ring and
it's Brian Danielson at black hoodie has Blackpool Combat Club
(01:12:13):
logo on it, and the whole thing is from there,
it's gonna be John Moxley trying to keep the Death
Writers together or Brian Dan Bryant or Brian Danielson trying
to re establish the Black Bull Combat Club. You know
the reason that's the only story to me that's acceptable
(01:12:33):
because Claudio Cassignoli is being totally wasted and Wheeler Yuda
is being totally doing nothing. They're both doing nothing in
the Death Writers. The Death Writers. The Death Writers are
John Moxley and Marina Shafir. The other two are just
(01:12:54):
you could put anybody in those two pots, two spots,
because there's no personality, no story, nothing, They're just muscle.
Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Well, but DA has got he when you can get
a whole stadium to chant fu Da. You've done something
at least, right. I think he needs this amaz own
again at some point, so does Claudio.
Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
But here's the thing, Wheeler you to add heat before
the Death Riders who became inexistence. He had heat when
he was just starting in the Black Bull Combat Club.
People don't like Wheeler DA. They just don't. I personally do.
I like Wheeler Day. Him is a meme.
Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
That's that's part of the gag you're I don't know.
At one point everybody decided it's fun to just foo
the sky like we all hate him, but nobody actually
hates Wheeler.
Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
DA that there's a lot of people that literally that
you know, literally hate Wheeler you to, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Think that's true.
Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I just make a character. His looks, his overbrown hair,
his memes.
Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
I love. You know, he's been so smarmy and greasy.
It's great.
Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Regardless, you know. I again, anybody that knows me what
anybody that knows me, uh knows that I literally can't
stand the Death Writers. I've hated it pretty much from
day one. Yeah, so when you hear me talking on
(01:14:33):
these podcasts about what I think you should be done
with the death Writers. I'm fan servicing myself because I
just want to see the death Writers die and just
go on to do something else. I'm desperate for the
death Writers to be no more because I do think
that I'm being very serious. I do think that death
(01:14:53):
Writers are literally John Moxley and Marina Shapir. I think
that Wheeler Yuda and Claudio Cassid You only could be
replaced by any two people on the roster and they
would still be the same death Writers because Cosignoli and
we were you to really don't do anything. They're just muscle.
Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
I would like them to go ahead, Kelson to finish
a thought. O.
Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Sorry, I was clear.
Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
I'd like to see them take the Death Writers in
a bit of the Bullet Club fashion. A lot of
people when they first started thought they were going to
be like Aw's and WO. I didn't understand that it
didn't have the same vibe. They weren't actively recruiting. That
wasn't part of the shtick is who's going to turn
this week? People kept wanting that. I do think it's
(01:15:38):
time to change it up a little bit. I liked
when Gabe Kid was coming in after mox left. I
would have loved Gabe to to your point, like kick
them out and then they take over and mox is
on the outs. I would like them to swap in
some people, whether that's Claudio turning us back on Max
(01:15:58):
because he's a loser, Like, you know what, did I
waste my time, all my time doing this and supporting
if she still lost, go out on his own or
even Wheeler or whatever, and then they swap in some
new folks to just keep it organic and it should
ebb and flow.
Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
You know, I just keep on seeing people want Marina
Shaffer to tag with stat Lander, and I don't want
that at all.
Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
No, Marina, Marina Shaffer is a brawler. She's not a wrestler.
And if you put her with anybody. It was proven
when she was with Dyla Rose and I was like, okay,
well she's under Moxley's Moxley believes in Marina Shafir. That's
a fact. He said that many times. Uh, he's been
training her and everything, and she's had a couple of
(01:16:46):
matches now and she's just she's not a professional wrestler. Well,
because look, there's two things I will say about Marina Shaffer.
Three apps Actually her persona is believable. She looks like
somebody who's got I don't know, looks like she just
(01:17:08):
a eight like tis a half hour later. I mean
that's her expression, that's on her face. You know, it
looks like you know, So that's that. The second thing
is is that she's pretty fearless. I mean she will
take a shot, you know. And the third thing is
that she's consistent. Yeah, she gets you know what you're
(01:17:31):
gonna get. Yeah, her big pops are when she gets blasted.
And maybe that's her role. That's that's kind of like
sensations here, what her role is. She's just like she's
like China before China decided that she was going to
try to wrestle men.
Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Yeah, you know, I think is in a really good,
good place.
Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
See, she has a.
Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Legit shoot background that people believe because of her look.
She's stoic. She has an aura like if anybody is
a fan of the Baki manga or anime, his father
you jirohanma, Like she has that evil aura like she
just she has this aura, this intimidating. It's a great character.
(01:18:21):
She doesn't need to wrestle all. They use her as brilliant.
She's totally believable when she when she grapples with Willow
or whoever, and they're just tying up. They don't need
to do a lot of wrestling stuff. They can just
do some we'll move some judo throws. It looks fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Put her in there with you don't be perfect for
Marina Shafir to wrestle against. It's not gonna happen because
she's injured and she's having shoulder surgery this month, so
it'll be probably six eight weeks at least before she's back.
As sure, she's got that mm A yeah fighting she had,
(01:18:59):
she was a she one unlike some other wrestlers that
had a UFC career. She actually won her matches. That's
the type of wrestler that Marina Shaper would do well against.
But if you get somebody like you know, you get
somebody like Athena, no, absolutely not, they would just have
(01:19:25):
they would have no chemistry at all.
Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Other Vi Marina, I think it's been great, it's been brilliant.
It's a brilliant way to get her on TV. And
I think she's fit the role really well.
Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Like I like, I said John Moxley Marina Shapier to
death writers. Anybody else is interchangeable. I do believe. Look
who started the Black Book Comback Club.
Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Regal?
Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
William Regal? Did he wrestle match at aw No. And
that's why I'm saying, if you want somebody with a
kind of with every bit more notoriety in their name,
then William Regal, it's Brian Danielson. That's how you keep
Brian Danielson busy. You put him as the leader of
(01:20:08):
the Blackpool Combat Club and get these you know, these
assholes together and get them working.
Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Who do you put in there? If you were to
form a new black Full Combat Club with Brian Danielson
as a manager, because we know he if he wrestled,
it's something going to be a couple of times a year.
Who do you put in there?
Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Can I pick anybody from anywhere, even if they're in
fact right now, just just.
Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Say here's who makes the most sense to me, and
and you don't have to come up with how to
book him into it, just like who who fits your vision?
Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Okay, So obviously right off the bat, Claudio cassid only
and we were you to uh, those are the first two.
The next two huh. I will go with as my
first pick, Kip Sabian, I think you would be the
perfect person for that. And then you picked somebody else
(01:21:09):
that's right along those same lines, Blake Christian.
Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
I think you give him Garcia. Uh, that's who he
originally wanted in the Blackpool Combat.
Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
That's a good point too. I don't know who else, but.
Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Lee More already needs something that other than Shane Taylor promotions.
But past that, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Yeah, Yeah, Garcia is great.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
A perfect pick. I would love to see I'm going
to go out on a limb here, Griff Garrison new
haircuts as he used to be the Varsity blonde as
a younger, as a younger member of the stable. I'd
like to see him. I'd like to see him pulling
(01:22:00):
Josh Woods. Griff Garrison, Yeah, Griff Harrison Woods, I can see,
I can see Josh Woods. Yeah, I'd like that. Josh
Woods works for me in that role. But uh, well,
a younger, taller, big man. He's he's the younger Claudio's
division for that.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
And then you're not young.
Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
He's younger than Claudio, who's in his forties. I'll just
put it that way.
Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Yeah, I'll throw out another name, mhm, Lee Johnson.
Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah, maybe there's.
Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
A lot of dames out there, you know, Hey, yeah,
Brian Keith. You know, there's just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
I mean, Carlo Riley works to Carlo Rally is the
other one I was thinking of.
Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Just talking about the Black Will Combat Club mm hmm.
Has given me more interest in Yeah, we were you
and Claudio cass and I've had in the last eight
months period.
Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
I like what you mentioned Kyl o'liley Barry. I think
he needs to get away from the undisputed type people.
Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Yeah and him you would work.
Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
I kind of went with guys who have not a
shoot background, but at least some sort of training in
an athletic ass joshuas clearly as we know. For Parrison,
I believe it was football and then and I'm forgetting
the last person I mentioned. You just brought up O'Reilly
has the Jude, he has a he has a martial
(01:23:50):
arts background as well. So that's that's why I kind
of went in that direction. Go ahead, well, let me brought.
Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
A question to you guys. We we you know very
it made a very valid question. Who would you put
in the Black Bull Combat Club, and we picked men.
Let's put one woman in the Black Bull Combat Club.
Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Remember her heel turn. I thought it would be stat Lander,
but I put Serena Deeve in there.
Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Old.
Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
I don't think she's totally clear to wrestle. I think
she can only do certain so much. She would be
great as a mentor, but not as a wrestler.
Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Her style, this matches with the whole approach. That's why
I thought her.
Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Or not.
Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Did background? Yeah, yeah, good pick emphasized that. I don't
think the emphasized her judo background enough. I would go
hard into that if she was the female member of
the BCC.
Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah, h you know, would honestly be the perfect person
for the BCC and honestly totally wrong because it would
take away from the current arc that there is. But
if you were just going on the perfect person, there's
nobody better than Techlac in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Yeah, I'm really excited to see where she goes beyond
Queen Amanata. I'm looking forward to her presence.
Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Yeah, it's just it's I just I just hope that
they give Techla Mike. Maybe their plan is to make
because Julia Hart. She's done really well in uh like
backstage vignettes and films, but she's not a talker. Neither
is sky Blue and well Tecla could talk her ass off.
(01:25:50):
She just yeah, don't filter whatsoever. Yeah, if Decla talk
for forty seconds, thirty one of those seconds will probably
be just silence because they wouldn't be able to use it.
She's got the filthiest mouth I've ever heard in my life.
(01:26:11):
Bar none.
Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
But it was a good show. I really do think
so as a good show. Like Barry said, it's a
good restart.
Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
But yeah, all fallout shows are generally weak because a
lot of times the wrestlers are banged up and they
can't make a fill up a card. Well, they had
no problem filling out a card for this one. There
was a lot of story. The wrestling was good. I mean,
it wasn't anything bad.
Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
That's party match thing what it should be.
Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
I paid more attention to the talking segments than I
did the wrestling segments. I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
It was a party match show.
Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
The last thing I want to talk about I do
want to talk about this because I think it's a
or a A w is doing a residency and what
is it? What's the name of the ballroom?
Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Argo are something Maria are Gone?
Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
The the Argo or the aer Gorn or Aragon brawl Room.
Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I think it's Oregon. I want to say an because yeah,
the you know, the Lord of the Rings character ball.
I think it's Aragon Ballroom brawl Room. But anyway, Uh,
what'd you think of the show as far as logistics
because I thought that I hope that they keep doing
(01:27:35):
this because I thought the crowd was on the point tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Yeah, it was in the building too. I love those
small venues they're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Yeah, I mean when you're go ahead, go go, when
you're pulling, you know, fifteen hundred and twenty five hundred people,
good night. And as much as their product has gotten better,
the fan you know, the ratings have stabilized to tick up,
it takes much longer for the fans to start showing
up the TV. Maximizing the fans you can pull, and
(01:28:08):
it's much better to put those in really interesting venues
on TV than these cavernous, generic stadiums where the lights
are all down. We have cool stuff to look at,
We got some great camera shots. Because it really forces
them to do stuff artistically with the cameras because they
can't put in their big cranes, they can't put in
their sky their sky, their sky cameras and stuff. It
(01:28:29):
just makes it feel more dynamic. It's fun to look
at at TV, the balconies that you know, Tony came
out on a balcony for a promo. I think it's
a smart move.
Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Next a little bit too. I wish, you know, raw would.
Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Occasionally be from a smaller vend right now and then.
I think it's cool. In general.
Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
I really like it, you know, it's one of the
If I had any complaints about all In, it was
especially early of the show. They were taking long, wide
shots of the action. It was like, what the hell
was going on? You know, that was my one complaint.
(01:29:04):
They eventually corrected that they actually got in close, you know,
they zoomed in instead, they kept zooming out. If you
go back and watch that pay per view, they would
zoom in on the action not too close, and then
every time they pan out. Every time that they just
pan out from the hardcam side and it would just
(01:29:25):
pan away. I was like, you can't, I want to
watch the match. I don't want to watch the crowd.
That's the crowd, right, And that's the second thing that
was really it was incredibly disappointing for me at all.
In was and again it got better as the show
went on, so they were definitely working on it, but
the crowd was like, Okay, the crowd is you know,
(01:29:49):
you would have thought that they were had cardboard cutouts
on the pay per view at some points because it
was just total dead silence, and they knew that it wasn't.
You knew it wasn't. Really you could hear the crowd,
but it was nothing like tonight. I mean the crowd
(01:30:09):
you could That's what was the most frustrating because you
could tell that the crowd was loud as hell, but
you couldn't hear them at all.
Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
I mean, it wouldn't be an AW show, no, I mean,
it wouldn't be an AW show if they didn't have
the audio mix wrong at show for the first thirty minutes,
like that's just their sound engineer just really struggles and
it was you could you could go ahead, mky no not.
Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
All I want to say is it was electric during
the EVP match and and stuff. I walked away from
him a little bit and I could still hear it
a ways away, Like I understand a lot of WW
like a lot of companies have that problem, but I
really wish they could figure it out, because yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
I mean, look go ahead there.
Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
I don't know if any remember is I think it
was during the pre show there was a some kid,
you know, the announcers just screaming like the whole time
during the Big Boom AJ and other matches, And when
you have a stadium like that, it is very The
engineering is sound engineering, and it's difficult, and there's only
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so many people that have experienced doing that kind of
thing too. I don't know if AW just doesn't have
a lot of those folks or they just have people
that try to do things differently and it maybe doesn't
work out. But I really look forward to the day
where an AW pay per view at a big arena
starts and we don't have to complain about how to
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sound on audio mix is terrible for the first three minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Think at the length of all in.
Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
God, it's hard for me to say because we left
for about two and a half hours to about to
dennerve some friends.
Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Okay, when I say this, when I say this, I
mean this. It just I've just stated the facts, right.
I did not see a second of the kenney Omegan
Kazu Cocata, and I still I didn't either, you know,
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because I walked around. No, it wasn't even that. I
I literally just lat out fell asleep. I was I
was exhausted. I woke up. I woke up when kazuch
Go Kada was standing in the middle of the ring
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raising the belt, and then I was like, well, yeah,
so then well then I was like, okay, now I'm
going to I honestly, I was like, okay, well now
it's hang Man and John Moxley, right, and then they
had after let me put it this way, after uh,
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because I woke up with Kazuchi Kada raising the belt
above his head. I stayed awake for about thirty seconds
and I fell back to sleep again.
Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
You fell asleep at five or four in the afternoon
for a half hour.
Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Listen. Yeah, okay, so then I woke up. I woke
up again, and at that and I was so groggy.
All I heard was what I thought was some woman
whistling all over like I just kept going on and on.
Was I wrong in that? No?
Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
There was a loan whistling for Hangars entrance.
Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Okay, I thought it was I thought it was right.
I passed out immediately upon here and that whistling again.
I woke up knowing because I did go back and
watch the match, because I really didn't want to watch
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the match at all, but I fell asleep, and then
when I woke up I found out later I woke
up about three quarters of the way through the Hangman
and Moxley match, and I turned it off, and I figured,
if Hangman wins, I'll go back and watch it, and
if Boxley wins, I'm I'm done. Yeah, So when I
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found out that Hangman won, I didn't go back and
watch it. From the beginning of the match. I didn't
watch the entrances because I figured it would knock me
on my ass again. And that was about it I
really wanted to. I was like, was I imagining this?
I thought I saw a woman whistling and her woman whistling,
and yeah, she was doing the dollar seem to go
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on for like twenty minutes. Yeah it was longing.
Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
It's about a minute long. Yeah, I mean it not
be on my ass. Aw is a problem with their
shows me too long, especially their Sunday night shows. But
if you're going to be the show, Yeah, if you're
gonna have a long show, I don't have an issue
with it. If it starts at two pm in the
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afternoon on a Saturday, yeah maybe. I'm just used to
the All In shows prior to this being in the
afternoon because they were in the UK. I hate it
when he does even a Saturday night show that starts
at seven and it goes past midnight. If you do
a Sunday night show, like I can't if TK does
one of those again that goes past midnight, like, I'm done.
You gotta be done by one o'clock, bro, Like, there's
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no reason you don't need you don't need to go
that long.
Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
I'm okay with All In being long because it's it's
their biggest show of the year, but in general, they
need to get these shows.
Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
To four hours.
Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
It's funny because Tony trolled the hell out of out
of do you know what because during the media call
that they had on I think it was Tuesday or Wednesday.
Uh maybe, yeah, I think it was Tuesday. No, maybe
it was Thursday. I don't know. They had the media
call and somebody asked Tony Kahan whether UH all In
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was going to interfere at all with UH Saturday Night's
made event, and Tony Cohn was like, no, we're we'll
be We'll be done by the time that even begins.
M dope, No, it wasn't he done that because I
looked up and I was like, we're five hours that
we still got three matches to go.
Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Remember, was he did that for a reason. That's why
Albarez is saying, I don't know, but of course he.
Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Did it for a reason.
Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Oh yeah, he's being petty. But that's okay because they
kind of they poked the bear themselves a company did Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Look, you know that it is counter programmed it. The
crowd of programmed it with three shows. It was stupid,
it was unnecessary. I get why they did it, And hey,
if you're gonna be a wrestling company like aw is
and you you know somebody's counterprogramming, you got to hit back.
Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Yeah, you got to hit back, and they did because
they won the weekend. But yeah, I got to get
off of here. But yeah, it was a great, great,
great pay per view, And like I said, they've been
on a roll for a really long time. I think
ever since they switched over to they've been on top
of it, minus a few shows.
Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Yeah, well this was fun. We got to talk about
Diana Maye, we got to talk about all In, We
got to talk about my new album that's coming out.
Oh we didn't, so you have you have another half
hour to talk doc off. I'm joking. I don't have
a new album coming out. The Lord God, I don't
have an old album. I want to say a new
album when I'm an old album. But anyway, Uh, we'll
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be back on Tuesday night to talk about some of
the hot topics that are bound to come up over
the weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Legends still go wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
What's that? Who?
Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Legend has Dustin Rhodes, which I'm interested in seeing talking.
Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Yeah, well it's going to be a short run. You
figure it's going to be a short run. Yeah, yeah,
but hey, I was pleasantly surprised and happy to see
it happen because he's a good guy. You know, everybody
says that. So I like seeing the I like to
see the good guys win. So there's a little bit
shocking that they just kind of threw Kylo