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February 6, 2025 • 82 mins
The February 5, 2025 was one of the most entertaining episodes of the year. Listen to the close-but-not-quite as entertaining opinions of the show by the members of the AEW Fan Hub podcast team. Please be sure to join in all of our great discussions on the AEW Fan Hub subreddit and The Wrestling Hub on Discord!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's Wednesday. You know what that means.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's time for all lead talk with the a W
Fan Hubb podcast team.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
This is Kelson and this is Shane d the official
guy that's not allowed to swear on these podcasts. Hey Kelson,
how about that? How about the start to Dynamite tonight?
We had Jay White coming out talking to Renee, and
then out of nowhere, they're all you got the Death Riders, Cope, FTR,
and Jay White all beating the crap out of each other.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I just wish that this would have all happened three
months ago when it was meaningful. I really didn't care
about this opening segment in the slightest just being.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Honest with you.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, brother, to be honest with you, I gotta takes
Sutton's back on this one. Sutton, you said that to
break them, to break the mole on everything that was
going on with this, we had to see some things
that were kind of like shifting, and we finally got
a little bit of different with what was going on
with the Death Riders. We now see the weakness within them.
Man enlighten us on how this is going to look

(01:06):
in the long term.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
It's getting where it's going where it's supposed to. I've
been saying it all along and I'll continue to say it.
They're doing exactly what they want to do with it.
The fans didn't have a problem with it in the
stands tonight because the people who were supposed to get
cheered got cheered, and the people who were supposed to
get booed got booed. The Death Riders again did not
come out on top. They got the shit beat out

(01:29):
of them. Forgot to mention on Friday about last Saturday,
which was an interesting thing we left out was that
Marina took a table shot. That was an amazing shot
that she took, but I kind of found it funny
that she picked her knee up and took her out
of space. I thought that was kind of funny.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
But yeah, I think it's.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
I don't know what they're gonna do to get to
the next pay per view and who it's gonna be
right now, because you're gonna see that right now, they've
got it between either j White or Cope. I don't
think they're gonna do a three way. I hope not,
but we'll see. I mean, that's basically the best we
can hope for.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I guess, well, for most of you, I apologize for
most of you that I have not tuned into us before.
This is an open format podcast and we leave it
up to our wonderful panel. We have Steve Sithwich, m
k Rollins, Sutton, and our newest members with Kelson here today.

(02:30):
I believe that Sith was about to jump in.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
It's not gonna lie, and I read it and I
popped in. I thought it said OUSI, so that's.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's it's.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Somebody back in the day that they called or Muncie
or something like that in wrestling.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, it was well, well, Sith, what did you have
to say?

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Okay, So a little bit of self promotion here. In
the past couple of weeks, I've started writing for Pro
Wrestling Musings dot Com. I do the story beat for
the aw recaps every week, and the one that I
that was just published today was actually about the Death Writers,
particularly their YouTube thing, and I got to agree that yes,

(03:21):
I am very here for seeing the fractures and very
interested in knowing how they're going to crack. But also
the big thing that Marina pointed out in her promo
with Renee was that like Max trusts her to protect
that which is most valuable to him, and so of
course when Renee is in the skirmish, she scoops her

(03:46):
up and carries her away. I did love that, and
I also loved Jay White getting to be a little
am I allowed to curse.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, you can't drop.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Anything down, okay, Shane wouldn't say, you could say, okay.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Well, I really like Jay White being a little shit
and he calling out mox and being like, oh, we're
gonna have blood, and then seeing Mox's face just kind
of open up in delight at the mention just really
got to me. I find that I'm way more here

(04:22):
for Jay White versus mox than Cope versus mox Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:27):
I'm totally in that same camp. I'd much rather see
Jay White versus Moxley and Copeland versus Moxley. But all
you have to do to beat John Moxley, honestly, it's
just challenge him to a first blood match, because he's
usually the first one to bleed, So if you challenge

(04:49):
him your first blood match, you're basically guaranteed to win.

Speaker 8 (04:55):
Noticed Since he's turned heel, he's bled considerably less, and
I I think that's like the ultimate heel move because
everyone loved the blood.

Speaker 9 (05:03):
I don't know, kind of like the young Bucks.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
In an interview while back, saying that when they turned
the heel this past time that matt was excuse me.
Matthew was like, and now I never want to do
a cool move again. We're gonna be just the worst
heels by doing just a really boring moves. But then
Nick got mad at him and they started doing cool

(05:27):
moves again. I just I love that sort of little
touch and a heel.

Speaker 7 (05:33):
Yeah, it's just hilarious to me that in general, if
you if somebody were to challenge John Moxley to a
first blood match, they're gonna win because Moxley is usually
the first one to bleed eight Day's matches. But it's
gonna be Copeland versus Moxley at Revolution, Moxley's gonna win,

(05:57):
and then hopefully at double or Nothing, j White takes
that title.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
From my I doubt.

Speaker 10 (06:05):
I'm here for Cope versus Marks, and you know, it's
two big stars. It's at least some name power and stuff.
We don't know the results, but I really think that
this is a good chance to show what those who
can do in the ring and then we'll move on
from there. Where it goes, I don't know, but we'll see.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I still think it's going to be all in before
the title changes. That's the biggest stage. That's the biggest
stage they have all year. And there's I mean, there's
just so many I figured it out tonight, be with
the death writers and all the auxiliary things that are
going on. There are fourteen different wrestlers involved in this

(06:45):
storyline in one way or another.

Speaker 10 (06:47):
That's huge.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
That's not something you never see.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
You never see that many people involved in the world
title Matt and in a world title scene at the
same time.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, to be honest with you, I had a conversation
earlier today Sutton. Well, first of all, before I go tangent,
go off on a tangent, which I'm known for doing,
I have to credit you. You you called this. You
sure did so well.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Actually I said that wrong.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
It's fifteen. I keep forgetting about Christian.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Because I.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Talked to a very good friend in the industry today
that said that everyone is so conditioned to believe that
world title feuds are a one on one thing, and
that we've been so heavily conditioned by years and years
of years of watching you know, WWFWW media the predominant
that that that's the expectation. Now we're actually treating the

(07:38):
belt like it's something worth going after. You have everyone
going after the world title, and all of the best
guys look like considerable challengers. Now, j White obviously would
be the guy that I would want to see gover
in this. I think Sith will probably agree with that, MK,
maybe to some degree. UNKI what do you think about that, Bud?

Speaker 5 (07:58):
I mean, I'm all in favor Jay White taking the
title off of Mox, But man, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (08:05):
I feel like they're building towards Derby, you know, which
I'm not necessarily opposed to, but it's not my first pick.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, my son and I talked about that yesterday and
I told him, I said, you know, if Darby had
not decided to go climb a mountain, this probably would
have his signature written.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
All over it.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
But of course, for me, he blew his chance. He's
got to go back at the back of the line now,
because you can't just have him disappear for two three
months and then come back and expect to get the
title shot he had earned. And for me, if they
give it to Derby. Now that's that would be doing
a disservice to the rest of the guys.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Well, that's just the thing.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
It would be a huge build, like I mean, it's
been a big build up to this point, and then
he would have to kind of re establish himself coming
back in.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
They did it with the Hangman Adam Page.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
You know, he went out on paternity leave for a
couple of months and then came back and spotted right
back into the world title picture. I don't know if
Tony Kahn is feeling that committed to Darby Allen after this,
but Darby is kind of almost like a mascot for
the company and for like a E W RA RA

(09:21):
Go team, you know, So I mean pluck to putting
it on him, but you know.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I mean like consider it that the way my brain
works in terms of Darby, it's like, yeah, I can,
I can you consider him to be the guy that's
the focal point, of course, but for like more reasons
than just like the ra RA I mean, like mired
and controversy, self inflicted, self inflicted pain, you know, constantly

(09:49):
on the losing down swing, but also simultaneously the biggest winner.
I we we always speak on Darby being the next
big guy. He could be the next big guy. I
wasn't a Derby fan. If you want to go back
two years into these podcasts, which is almost as long
as we've been doing these things that I've been involved with.
At least you know, I was not Darby's biggest fan

(10:11):
back then. I believe he can be that guy, but
he's not in the He's not in the picture right
now obviously with him, you know, in a steel cage
match with Mount Everest, see how that works out for him.

Speaker 10 (10:23):
So who wins that one? I look, I don't see
Darby as as heavyweight championship material in my opinion, but
a lot of people do. He kind of reminds me
of the Ray Misterio type underdog. But I don't want
to see that every week with him. So if he
gets it, I don't want to see him see him
have a long tile right either.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
So I don't know, man, But consider you said you
had to make the Raymisterio like a comment. Raymisterio nineteen
ninety six Halloween Havoc, Ray Masterio Eddie Guerrero. That was triumphant.
Mysterio went over there. It's almost what built his career.
Do you believe now I'm gonna single you out, MK,
Do you believe that if Darby actually had a moment

(11:04):
like that in aw that it would be credible to
put a title on him?

Speaker 10 (11:11):
I don't know. You know, with John Moxley, it's it's
possible to have a good match, but he's gonna have
to have a lot to prove when he comes back he.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Was able to do it.

Speaker 10 (11:21):
Yeah, I can see it.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
He has.

Speaker 10 (11:25):
He has a mountain to climb in the way of
getting back to the heavyweight championship, and so we'll see
where it goes.

Speaker 8 (11:34):
Well literally and physically before metaphorically before he gets his title.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Chat Kelson, we got a lot of things to discuss
this evening. It was a fantastic evening for professional wrestling.
Let's segue back into like the actual matches for this evening.
Of course, we got the cast with the Death Riders
in the beginning, pointing contention for half the community to discuss.
But the actual first match of the night, we got
Will Ospray versus Mark Davis.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, I mean Mark Davis, the sixth man for the
Don Kallis Family.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I really want to know if anybody saw that coming.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
What you thought in the match, And and then we
had Kenny Omega come out with.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
His new best friend will Ospray.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
This to me was the beginning of the show because
I absolutely hated the first segment from beginning to end,
so and I actually had to just give myself an
adrenaline shot so they could stay awake during that discussion.
No offense people, but man talking about that for ten
minutes just I mean, oh come on, I mean, it's

(12:48):
just it's just.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Like a drone sound.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
But I.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Didn't he I didn't really think it was going to
be Mark Davis. I think it was kind of too
sudden for him. I wonder what don Kallis has over him.
As Kenny Omega said, I believe it was. Kenny Omega said,
but I thought I thought the match was great, but
I thoroughly enjoyed the play after the match, What did

(13:17):
you guys think?

Speaker 10 (13:19):
I thought it was weird that Mark Davis didn't get
a pop at all he came out. I don't know
if people were expecting it or not, but he really
didn't get a big pot from the crowd, so I
think it I think he needed to spend more time
getting No. I don't know what's going on. But he
actually a member of the don Kallis family or he
was just a one time thing.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
So do you take something of that?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Well, let me ask you.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'll let me pose a question, Seth, and you can
answer this. Yeah, Mark Davis didn't get a pop. Do
you really think he'd deserved it based on this prior
work in a w I don't think he can go
by what he has worked with United Empire and whatnot,
because a lot of people did. The crowd probably didn't
know his work in New Japan. Do you think that

(14:09):
Mark Davis deserved the pop?

Speaker 6 (14:12):
I think he did, But I think the real reason
that for that reaction is personally, I was expecting to
be Trent. We've heard that he's been backstage, he is
part of the don Kallis family, and I was honestly
very prepared for it to be Trent. I also heard

(14:32):
theories when some people are trying to think of what
would be the most crushing thing that don Kallis could do.
What if he came out with the boushie And then
I had to spend a little while recovering from the
horrors of thinking of that. But Davis is a good choice.
It gives him something to do, it lets him show

(14:54):
off a little more, and it emotionally destroys Will Osprey,
which I am here for.

Speaker 9 (15:00):
The angst. I am here for, you.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
Know, sad golden retriever man to lose all his friends
and have to make new ones. I don't believe him
when he says Kenny's his new best friend.

Speaker 9 (15:13):
I don't think that was probably meant literally.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
I think it's more like, hey, at least I have
a friend, to which I say, shouldn't. Isn't Jeff Cobbs
still in the United Empire? Yeah, so it's like, come on,
it's not everyone has left to you yet, just everyone
who's here.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
I thought that the weird part was that Will didn't
say a thing to him after the match.

Speaker 9 (15:42):
Nope, Will was still angry.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I mean, he didn't even act like it was that
there was any relationship with them at all. I would
have at least expected him to say, dude, what a
why what?

Speaker 5 (15:53):
What?

Speaker 4 (15:54):
What? What's going on?

Speaker 9 (15:55):
And I mean at the beginning of the match.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah, but I'm talking about when he had the like
and he could you know what I mean? It's if
you're getting turned on by your friends. Usually guys will
say something. They'll be like, what the hell was that?
Or they'll ask me he went straight to Kenny and
had Kenny come out, and Kenny was the one that
had to say something about Mark Davis. I thought that
was just a tad bit odd.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
That is kind of weird, kind of weird, yeah, I mean,
but still topical. I mean like you're talking about like, uh, well,
I want to expand on something that you said, Sith like,
imagine that it was Coda, right. I don't think it's
gonna be Coda. I think if Coda comes back, Coda's
I think if Coda comes back, it's blood and guts,
it's gonna be Kenny adjacent. Uh In terms of Mark Davis,

(16:42):
they they're building a story around it now, But how
that is that going to build the scent in the
uh don Callis family. I mean, Kyle Fletcher, are they
going to force him to team with Kyle Fletcher? Are
they going to go after the tag titles? Like how
is this gonna look after Revolution? A bit contrive at
the moment. To be honest, I would.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
Like to see I would like to see Fletcher and
Davis teaming again for the tag titles, especially with the
work that they've done on the Tag Team division lately.

Speaker 9 (17:11):
We will, I assume, be talking about that later.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Smart Yeah, yeah, you know Sha, before we move on
to the next segment. I wanted to bring up something
that really isn't the talking point, but it's just an observation.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
They put up the graphic early in.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
The show for Kazuska Okada or Kazuchika Okata as I
like to call it, and Buddy Matthews for Grand Slam.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Did anybody else kind of pick up on that.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I think they messed up in the production department and
put that graphic up too soon, because I think they
caught the announced team off guard with that.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I don't think that that was supposed to happen. When
it happened, Well.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
This happened, This happens, and but we would This is
think something we've discussed the asked before, Like we're talking
about a three hundred and thirty six million dollar year
network deal, but you can't get a sound, sound or
or media engineer.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
We have proof that later in the show, Okada was
just pushing the buttons again.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
So I think he might have done it himself, Sabe.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
I think in k fabe, I'm going to blame it
on him.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Listen, He's still rich.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
It's still real.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
It's still real to you. God damn it. I said
it in the server. Nothing is more important to me
than Okada being on the TV every week calling people bitches.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
So yeah, well, Shane, what's what's next on the agenda
for tonight?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Hmm, let's go down the wheel. So we already had,
uh the Osprey and Osprey Davis Omega hurts, it agetting
the guns. I don't even want to talk about the hurts,
and again I want to talk about the guns. Low
about we talk about how fun this show was, the
entire show itself. This was my god, Yeah, this show

(19:06):
was so much fun.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Like, yeah, this was a fun segment.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, not just a sent The entire show was incredibly entertaining.
And and and then too.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
Because Tony Khan is supposedly getting deeper in the weeds
again now that uh football season's over a renaissance like
twenty you know.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Oh yeah, because Trevor Lawrence didn't carry him into the playoffs. Dude, listen,
we got to segregate Tony Khan from the Jags and
from aw. Now if he were capable of doing that himself,
it wouldn't be so evident. But I will tell you
straight up, like this specific dynamite was a blast. It

(19:49):
was very there was a lot going on. The gun's
coming back. I feel like we're very it was very
well actually executed. I still believe that putting the belts
on the Hurt side it looks fantastic. I'm sad for
Private Party because they were never really given a chance
to showcase or defend the titles. Excuse me and uh

(20:10):
and they were they kind of kind of were just
glossed over. They were treated like true transitional champions what
you see in professional wrestling. And they're gonna have their
day in court because the Hurt second Syndicate came out
and said, hey, these guys are awesome, and you know what,
they're young and they're going to do the thing. But
where the real thing now? But then the guns come
out and what reck them behind? Microphones? So right, yeah,

(20:31):
so what does everyone else think about this?

Speaker 8 (20:34):
Well?

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I love that the guns embraced the ass.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
Boys, Yes, they have embraced the ass.

Speaker 11 (20:41):
They have embraced it, and like I have their father
delighted their forefathers exactly.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
I was delighted to see them first of all. I
am also really happy with the hurt Syndicate will also
be being sad that Private Party didn't get to do more.

Speaker 9 (21:02):
I like the respect this being shown, and.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
It's delightful to hear, you know, MVP saying well you
don't look like businessmen, but humoring them and of course
them embracing the ass. But at one point, while I
think Colton was talking, the camera cut to Bobby Lashley
and it looked like he was dissociating in anger, and

(21:30):
it was the funniest thing to me.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh and.

Speaker 9 (21:35):
Yeah, I'm just I'm.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
So excited to see these two go up against each
other just physically.

Speaker 9 (21:41):
I think that's going to be great.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
I'm pretty sure Billy Gun's going to end up back
with his sons now that the Acclaimed has gone through
their divorce. And yeah, I just the Guns are just
such delightful little gremlins. And I'm a big fan of
that they're still wearing as much body glitter as ever.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
It's perfect threw up on them or something.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
I can actually see a three way six man tag
with the syndicate and and uh with the Daddy asked
joining the boys for a match that could be interesting.

Speaker 9 (22:22):
Yeah, I would like I can see that in the
future get back.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
But well, where where is their father going from here?
That's the real question. Now we're talking about people that
weren't even on the show. But I mean, and now
I got to ask the question. I mean, like, if
we're talking about preempting a Billy Gun for Whale Tour,
is it going to be with the Sun's Trios Championships
possibly introduction into the Bull Club Gold. There was a
debate on the excuse me sorry, other server about the

(22:53):
Bullet Club Gold not being the Bull Club Gold. I mean, like,
do you guys believe that's not a thing too.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Well, they're there's been there's been a debate with the
whether he's the real Bullet Club for you know, ever
since they came in, and that's always going to be
there because the Bullet Club is split. You've got Bullet
Club Japan, you got Bullet Club America.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
So well, I mean, but the Bullet Club technically is
the only faction that has a presence in every single
wrestling major wrestling promotion.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
You got cantatoring.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
You got the OC, you got cantatoring, the Indies, you
got the war Dogs, you got the Bullet Club Ogs,
you got the BCG that like.

Speaker 8 (23:32):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
The debate prior was with a member named Andrew Zy.
He used to be on these Excuse me, I'm calling
him out by name too, Dreesy. When you listen to this, uh,
make sure that you respect the name. He said that
the Bullet Club wasn't a thing anymore in aw Do
you guys believe that's the thing.

Speaker 10 (23:48):
Thing? It'll come back around.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
They kind of alluded to it to tonight, you know,
Jay White did.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
I think once Juice Robinson returns, will get a full
Bullet Club reunion.

Speaker 9 (24:02):
You know, I would really like to see for next year.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
I would really like to see a Bullet Club Japan
versus Bullet Club a e W thing, except that j
White is banned from from New Japan.

Speaker 9 (24:19):
I guess, yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Exactly how often does that stop people from like rolling backtball.

Speaker 9 (24:28):
Bullet Club invades Bullet Club.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
She also have more members here too with the Undisputed Kingdom,
and those guys were part of you.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
That's Kenny Adam Cole, the young Bucks hang out.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I mean, there's there's a If they really want to
do a full on Bullet Club versus Bullet Club war,
this would be humongous. You get at least eight members
that you could qualify from ae W that were Bullet
Club guys.

Speaker 8 (24:57):
At least eight, Like I said, since j White can't
technically wrestle in New Japan anymore, it would have to
be done it forbidden door.

Speaker 10 (25:08):
Right right, Yeah, we don't know how cap and fails
the belt forbidden door, so but they'd had their chance
in the pass and they've really not done it.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
So well, then you got the beef with Gabe Kid
and Kenny Omega right now. And Kenny Omega arguably is
one of the most influential leaders of the Bullet Club.
I mean he the elite, dragged the Bullet Club into
aw WE. Honestly, I'm gonna make that statement, if the

(25:38):
Bullet Club had not existed in the first place, we
would not have aw in its current form. Look it
all in and then all out. The OG twenty eighteen
that was a bullet Club, like the one of the
best matches on that show was Ray Mystereo Bandido and Phoenix.
Was it Phoenix or Penta was one of the brothers

(26:00):
versus the younger Yeah, versus the Bucks in Abushi. That
was a bull Club match. They came out to the
Bullet Club. And how many all outs, all ins or
revolutions that we had where the Bucks have come out
to Bullet Club music or there have been a member
of the Bollet Club that had been previous member coming

(26:22):
out to Bullet Club to the Bull Club banner. I mean,
all the way up through to twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
All right, well, look, I want to move on, and
I'm going to talk about two segments kind of together.
We had Harley Cameron come out with the Mercedes Monee doll,
which if shop aw doesn't have that on chop aw
right now for purchase, they're crazy because that Mercedes Monee

(26:50):
doll and Harley Cameron doing that bit is one of
my favorite things in AW right now. It's brilliant to me.
And of course then you had Hangman, Adam Page and
Max Caster. Of all people, what did you think of
these two segments?

Speaker 6 (27:07):
This is delightful. So I really love what they did
last week. First of all, of course, I'm here for
Hangman's swerve interactions. So obviously a fan of that, but
also a fan of Hangman acting like he drunk texted
an X and was caught the act. But anyway, with MJF.

(27:28):
With regards to MGF, I really loved last week him
being like, oh, Hangman can do nothing wrong, but I'm
a jerk, and he's kind of been simmering in that
on Twitter from what I've seen this week and having
it come out again here, not only in having his
promo interrupted first by Castor, who I still I love

(27:53):
that Max Caster just flirts aggressively with MJF, much to
his annoyance, and here he is is looking for, as
I saw somebody say, his Long Island boyfriend to protect him,
and then here comes hang Man because earlier he's like,
you know, you know what, I'm going to go follow
you to your car to Castor, I left so hard

(28:13):
and uh yeah, the continued. What's it called when something elevation?
Maybe so there's a storytelling term.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
For the escalation, escalated behavior.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
Escalation and annoyance of MJF that got me just so
back into it from the crowd cheering for him at
the beginning and chanting along with the nobody is on
the level of the Devil to him getting told, you know,
shut the up.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
And oh, we just skipped right to the end of
almost the end of the show. Now you know, we're
getting ahead of ourselves.

Speaker 9 (28:58):
But that whole, that fole section was just.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Like, I like what they're doing with Dom JF again
right now, the Jeff Jarrett stuff. Eh, but I really
like them building up with him and Hangman.

Speaker 10 (29:13):
Yeah something. But later on we talk about him and
him and Best and Rhodes. I wouldn't talk about that
because that was a good segment.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
What what mkay, you know, hold on, hold on, hold on,
let's let's.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
We'll we'll, we'll talk about that later on because we've
got some other stuff. There's nobody have anything to say
about Harley Cameron and Mercedes Bonette.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
No, no, no.

Speaker 8 (29:38):
I was gonna say, like, can I just take this
moment to gush about Harley Cameron. I have loved her
since QTV days. I hated QTV, but she stole the
show on a few occasions. I don't know if you
know this, but when the Iconics were in Tnah as
the inspiration, Harley Cameron did their entrance theme and it

(30:02):
was great. It fit their whole vibe perfectly, and then
she sang out somebody from QTV once. I couldn't even
tell you who it was. I just remember her singing
because it was great. When I realized she was something
special was when she pulled a knife out and was

(30:25):
like cackling maniacally after Serena talked about getting even again.
I couldn't tell you the full of the of the
segment itself, but Harley Cameron just immediately grabbed me. She
deserves the spot she's in. She's killed everything she's in.
Aew is right to be putting her on dynamite and

(30:47):
on collision and uh god, just more more Harley Cameron.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
She is my perfect gremlin.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Queen Kelson, and I understand your urgency around putting attention
to what's going on with Harley Cameron. She's fantastic. And
I'll tell you what, in terms of having fun on
the show, this is very mankind adjacent her mister Soco,
like like you guys.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
All remember yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
So it was very well like we've we saw we've
seen promost like this in the past before. But like
the way, at first, I didn't know that Harley Cameron
was a ventriloquist.

Speaker 9 (31:31):
So I'm in a w heels.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
It's the like fan group for women and female identifying fans.

Speaker 9 (31:37):
It's a lot of fun. Last February Harley came on.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
No.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
January Harley came on I think just to talk and
that's she is crazy, multi talented like genuinely does.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
And I was about to ask you did she speak
Mandarin for you?

Speaker 6 (31:55):
Because apparently she got her start in like advertising in Australia,
which does a lot of business, you know, in the
Pacific region because that's where they are very close to.
And then she came back in February for a dating
game type of segment. It was a blast. She's hilarious.
I have also loved her since QTV. She is there

(32:17):
are not enough gremlins that are women.

Speaker 9 (32:21):
In wrestling though, I mean like, because she is just
it's perfect behavior.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I agree with what I agree with the gremlin comparison,
but I mean, like, it's what makes her so fantastic exactly.

Speaker 9 (32:39):
There are not enough gremlin women in professional wrestling.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
There's a bunch on the indies, and I'm so glad
that Harley is being her you know, weirdly mankind adjacent self.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
And I'm here for it, sith, are you a question?

Speaker 9 (33:01):
Yes, very much.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
R I p r ankle so like, listen, I where
I agree with the comparison, like the gremlin like like
how you are calling it a gremlin thing like like
I agree with that that perspective. But I mean, Harley

(33:23):
Cameron stole the show and and we we haven't even
glossed over the fact that Mercedes Monet walked out of
her locker room to be like, God, damn it, why
this is what is this happening in the first place?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
This is a nightmare.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Uh, basically, get off my lawning at her was so good,
exactly beautiful.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
You're on my tree line right now. I believe this
is only going to bring more great things into fruition
for AW programming, especially with the women who deserve more
representation in a W because you have the best women
in the locker in your locker room, you have the
asked women in professional wrestling. Harley Cameron just stole professional
wrestling for the entire week. It was so good.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well, I'll tell you what I think that the women's
division in a W right now, as far as telling
a story, they're absolutely positively using their time to their
full advantage.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Well and and there's not a better representation of a
talent doing that than Harley Cameron. She's she's every single
bell and whistle.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
He's doing great.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Hold on, we need a moment of silence, MK, we
need we need MK. Dude, you're when you're talking, your
mic sounds very very very like it sounds like you're
talking through I'm saying this respectfully, it sounds like you're
talking through cotton balls.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, I'm just saying like like I don't know what
it is, just but like it.

Speaker 10 (34:56):
Like I'm on my phone now.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I got you. I'm not trying to be a dick.
I'm just saying like, like it's very hard to hear
you or understand you.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I don't. I don't have to try. Yeah, nobody disagree
with me. Thank you so muchmore.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
MK. You has a good I just want to be
heard and he's very muffled. I just want to be heard.
That's all I'm trying to, you.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Know what, Shane.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Before we move on to the next match, I did
want to follow up on something from last night where
Net said that uh that she was told that a
women's tag title was being designed for a w I
did look for a confirmation today. I did chat very

(35:53):
briefly with shot rass Sap of Fightful Select and he
told me that he's going to ask about it, He's
going to see what he can find out.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
So I also dug into that it's a thing, it's
just not anything that we're going to see until at
the end of summer.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well, yeah, we we talked about that last night.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I think I said, you know what, after Forbidden Door
or something like that, or even all.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
In, they're trying to develop They're trying to develop our
inn r oh first, but let's talk about this later.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, well, I just wanted to bring that up.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I'm sure we'll be talking about it on Ignition over
the next several weeks as more comes into light.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
But it would be cool if it did happen because
we broke it, which is which is awesome, and NET
gets to credit for that. What do you want to
talk about next? There?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Shane uh Hangman and Castor already covered how's the hell
versus Fletcher and takesha.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
Great match that was so good.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Who's gonna sit there and say that Buddy Murphy isn't
one of the greatest professional wrestlers in the game right now.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Who's Who's Buddy Murphy.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Uh took a second because I don't watch.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Buddy matt.

Speaker 9 (37:21):
Bring it on a w I think you're fine.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
They did do it. I need.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Buddy Matthew said. Brodie King versus h Takesha and Kyle
Fletcher this evening absolutely fantastic match. The the ending was
as to be expected. We we did not expect. I
wish they I wish they would have put the Hounds
Hounds the hell over. That would have been fantastic. It
was a fantastic match. Uh, Buddy Matthews absolutely showed up

(37:49):
to the party and and it was. It was just
a banger. It was like a solid pay per view
grade match that we got on regular ass network Team.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Be I agree.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I mean, Buddy look good to Cash stud Fletcher look good,
Brody looked good. But look, I mean you had to
kind of expect that if the match did and then
with Okada coming out and ruining it, that Brody King
was going to take the pin because they couldn't have
Buddy Matthews take the pin and they couldn't have to
Cash Fletcher take the pin. So I mean even though

(38:23):
it was kind of telegraphed, I guess, I mean, it
was still so enjoyable.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
I mean, come on, I think that's gonna be the
Hurtsini gets. First legitimate storyline is going to be against
the House from Hell. You think, yeah, it's I mean,
the Guns are going to be They're gonna have a
match with the Guns. But I think the first legitimate

(38:49):
over a few more than a few weeks, the battle
is going to be between because Brody and Buddy are
like the they're the big up and coming tag team now,
they're the ones that they're going to kind of build.
I think they're going to kind of build the aw
tag division bigger with those two guys, because they're the

(39:12):
hottest two right now.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well, I think the fact that we're having this conversation
in the first place, they might have actually done something
to give some real attention to the tag team division,
which is something that we've complained about a lot in
the past couple of months. Now we actually have a
convincing looking tag team and a convincing group of guys
going towards the tag team titles. Does anyone agree or

(39:38):
disagree with that statement?

Speaker 10 (39:40):
No, I completely agree with that I see that totally.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I mean, look, I mean we've all been wondering what
the hell is going on with the tag team title.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Now, I just I just hope, you know that, how
do I put this? I hope that they.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Killed the Trios champion or make it a Ring of
Honor Exclusive championship, because now that they're putting attention on
the tag teams, I don't trust Tony Kahan to all
of a sudden do a pivot and say, hey, we've
got tag teams, so now let's make trios teams. And
that's what put the tag teams, in my opinion, in

(40:20):
such you know, in the center.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Basically, you're just going to put it bluntly.

Speaker 8 (40:25):
It feels kind of like, at the moment, not to
go too off track, but that they're just kind of
keeping the trios titles hidden away and eventually just hoping
we all forget about them, and then, you know, maybe
ten years later they'll be like, hey, remember these let's
bring them back.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know, God, they just need to.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Get rid if they do come up with the question,
if they do come out with the four mentioned women's
tag team titles, you can make room for him easily
by getting rid of the Trios titles simply put.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
I mean, they haven't done anything with them, but it
isn't going to save any time, right because there haven't
been any trios.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Well, as I was saying, as embarrassment, it's going to
be an embarrassment just to see them on the roster page,
you know. I mean the titles have now not been defended.
The Trios titles have not been defended in three months.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Do they even wear them anymore? That's the real question.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I mean, like you.

Speaker 9 (41:24):
Don't wear under the ring.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
I haven't seen any of them carry the belts to
the ring like they're okay, But I don't know.

Speaker 9 (41:37):
I know they have.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
And and again I disagree with the whole the trios
the belts interfere with the tag team division because it's
not I mean, you can have tag teams within the
trios and it's not it's not the belts that are
the problem. It's the way Tony Kahan has booked them.
That's where the problem.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Well, that's what I said that I don't trust Tony
on to not say, hey, we've got you know, the
guns are back, You've got Hook and Samoa Joe back,
which you know, is in the next segment, you know.
But what I'm saying is that he gets a tag
team and throws a plus one and calls it the Trios,
and they ignored it, and he ignores the tag team division,
ignored the trio's division.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Tag team is more important in my in my opinion,
tag team is always going to be more important than
the trios.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
And I never understood why they brought him back. And
they had already done the split, they had already gotten
rid of them, and then they brought him back, which made.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
You're talking about what they went to, Uh.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Yeah when they Yeah, they had it all on Ring
honor and there was no reason to bring it back,
but they did. And I mean then they make them
disappear you and that makes no sense.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
A w just loves to unify titles and then split
them back up immediately.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, you're you're right there, unkie, right, which.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
I had something more profound about it than solve it,
but like, no, they just they love to be like, oh,
they've unified these titles, and then they'll the champion will
defend them a couple of times, all in one shot,
and then you know they'll go off here and lose one,
and they'll go to Ring of Honor and they'll lose
another one, and then they'll lose their final one later on,

(43:19):
and it's just like it's not really unified if it
can be split up again, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I mean we've seen a lot of belt play this
evening though. I mean we saw like the teasing, the
samo joan hook thing. We also have like MJF Caster
and Hangman versus Dustin, Like like we had Dustin Rhodes
come out and challenge Hangman out of nowhere over being
pissed off over the Owen Hard comments, which is an
incredible reason to go out there and defend you know,

(43:49):
your boy, you know, like and that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
What do you think the road segment tonight? I'm gonna
be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I really enjoyed it, and I know that most people
probably will disagree with that, but I thought it was
I thought Dustin hit on all cylinders tonight, and I
think mjf W would look when Dustin came out, I
kind of went, oh God, they took care of it,
Jeff Jarrett, Now they're bringing another dinosaur out, you know,

(44:21):
And but quickly my mind got changed.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
You're talking you're talking about I'm gonna say something really shitty, Kelson.
You're talking about someone you yeah, me, No, here, I
am everyone.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Someone like Jeff Jarrett, who is very like one note.
And I'm not saying that his one note is bad
at sith. I'm going to count on you uh in
about two minutes to bring me back down to earth.
But like, you're talking about someone like Jeff Jarrett, who
is very one note. He's been doing the same thing
for a very very, very very long time, as opposed
to someone like Dustin Rhodes, who is multi cultured. He

(45:01):
is multi he is multifaceted. He is one of the best.
He has one of the best power slams and drop
picks in professional wrestling period. Not to mention he is
one of the best character professional wrestlers, wrestlers in the
history of professional wrestling. Please, I want someone. I will
challenge any one of the two people listening and the

(45:21):
five other people on the panel to tell me that
gold Dust did not have some of the most fantastic
promos in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh cool. You got to look at him on the
talk shows that he did. He was absolutely unhinged. Yeah,
great personally for me.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Personally for me, I think Dustin Rhodes is one of
the I don't want to say most important wrestlers in
aighton w but he brings the most to the ring,
even over guys like Kenny and Jericho, because he's been
around forever and he's done so many different things. A

(46:00):
lot of people looked to him in the locker room.
I mean there's a lot like thunder Russa other people
like her. They all say that he's been their inspiration.
I think he's an amazing wrestler and he'd always has been.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Well, I'll say this, Dustan Roages has been doing this
for what four decades now, and he came out there
tonight five decades parts of five decades, and he came
out there tonight, and what he said tonight still sounded fresh.

Speaker 8 (46:28):
Was when he was gold Dust and he was playing
his queer coded mind games with Razor Ramone like these
are some of my earliest wrestling memories. And I always
loved gold Dust and his quote unquote weirdness that made
people uncomfortable, Like I saw how we weaponized that and
it kind of helped keep some of the bullies away.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Later on, if you feel me right.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Did you also catch where MJF did refer to us
as Goldie?

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yeah, it made me feel great. Man.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
He brought his brother into the picture, talked about his dad.
I mean, but that's a low hanging fruit. Let's talk
about the meat and potatoes. I mean, like they were
able to make Dustin Rhoades more. I'm sorry if you're
talking about comparison in programs, he looked more important than
his brother Cody. I'm I'm I'm sorry for bringing WW

(47:24):
into this conversation, but Cody Rhodes and WWE is one
of the most boring things that's happening in that program
right now. It's decorated, Shane. I will say this. I
run Greatness of Wrestling subreddit and you know, I'm the
top mod there, and look, you know that's mostly WWE
fans and I'm sorry, but they kind of agree with you.

(47:46):
So it's it's but like every single Dustin has a
manner of using a skill set that makes everything that
he does important, even if he's not in the even
if he's not a top guy like like he he
just recently resigned with a w and what did he say,

(48:07):
I'm going to retire with this company. I'm not he said,
literally said, I'm not my brother, I'm not going to
do this. Yeah, and he still went out there and murdered.
And even if this is his swan song, at the
end of the day, it's more he's he's he bears
more cultural significance to professional wrestling than his brother will
ever touch upon.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah. I just he got a lot of respect. That
he earned a lot of respect tonight. I had to.
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 9 (48:33):
He's talk and he came out there with some serious
old man gravitas and it was just perfect, just the
anger and the calling MJF boy and like, yeah, it
was just he was on fire.

Speaker 10 (48:51):
It was.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Killed that boy with that hard be just like boy.
He said, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Don't like what they're doing. I kind of like what
they're doing with m j F because he's kind of
on this. I'm gonna say, legends kick right now, where
he's going up some of the with against some of
the legends of a that a w have at the time.
I mean, he went against Jeff Jared And even if
you don't like Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Jared still a legend.
He's been around forever. Now he's going up against Dustin.

(49:22):
I mean he kind of had words with Daniels.

Speaker 9 (49:26):
Uh, yeah, I had.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Words with Danielson. I know Danielson said he's retired, but
he did not your Man, right, h Yeah, wasn't he
wasn't he not?

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:37):
I saw a report somewhere that that he's back, that
not your Man has.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Made a reappearance. So will he ever come back? Oh?

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Curry Man, Yes, Curry Man, Yes.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
There there's a lot of I mean, m JF could
do something with Jericho. I mean there's a lot of
guys on this roster still that are considered legends.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
That well it's yet well, we all know that it's
leading to a full gear match between m JF and Hornswoggle.
You know what's happening to see that?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
The sad part is Nelson Kelson last night admitted he
has no idea who Hornswoggle is. What we were talking
about it after this show, because there was some references
made that that someone had talked about it.

Speaker 10 (50:37):
He didn't.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
He's never seen him wrestle.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, I know, I know he is, but I know
I don't think anybody's seen him.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I will send this podcast for Swoggle tomorrow. Dude, I literally,
what do you mean. I'm not gonna tiptoe a on
this sudden.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
I'm just saying that we talked about it last night.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
He has no idea what that would be for the
fans if they were to have that match anywhere. It
doesn't matter what show was on.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
He could be on Dark.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
That would be an amazing match to see Horsewoggle versus NBA, because.

Speaker 9 (51:12):
I would love to see you.

Speaker 12 (51:18):
Could have well yeah, yeah, well, look, I want to
move on because I've been waiting to talk about this
segment since the beginning of the show.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
And that was.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
With Mariah may on commentary Queen Dominada against the Mariah
may A ka Tony Storm.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I thought he was brilliant from beginning to end. I
laughed at.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Every single piece of Tony Storm's weave that fell out.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
I thought.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I laughed my ass off when Queen Amanada took a
long piece of the weave and worn like a tail
in the back of her pa ants, I thought it
was hysterical. H I have to give a lot of
credit to Queen Amanada to go out there in what
was an absolutely stupid match. When you really think about it,

(52:14):
if you look at it on paper without actually watching it.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
It was a dumb ass match.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
And she had to go and perform in that, and
she did such a good job.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
She went with it. We knew that every.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
That she wasn't gonna win, and she was gonna be
made a full of basically by Tony Storm aka Mariah May,
and it just worked for me. All three women, Mariah
May looking like she was constipated at the desk the
entire match, with the faces, facial expression she made, Queen

(52:49):
Amanada just playing into it brilliantly, and Tony freaking Storm,
Holy cow, what a performance again and unbelievable match. I
just loved every second of this.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
I would argue that this wasn't a stupid match on paper.
Queen Amanada is amazing, and Tony Storm is obviously Tony Storm,
and I love I'm glad that Queen Amanada is on
the role that she's on in Ring of Honor. But
I am so happy every time I see her on
aw She's amazing and gorgeous and just everything.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
But I agree, I could not agree. I do not
want to cut you off, and I'm just going to
make this statement and then I'm gonna show you guys
get to hear me, shut the hell up and let
everyone else talk. WHOA yeah, no shit right. Hey, By
the way, Sith, your assessment absolutely spot on. Everything about

(53:49):
this match is perfect. It was the It's a microcosm
of everything that makes wrestling great. It was silly, goofy,
it was serious, it was it was beautiful. It was
second and I just I can't. I can't continue to
say anything that wouldn't it Kelson wouldn't cut from this podcast,

(54:10):
So I'm gonna shut up.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
So so yeah, I first of all, we have Mariah
coming out and looking amazing, like just god, and I
love her getting into her usual groove of antagonizing the commentary.

Speaker 9 (54:28):
There was a really great moment.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
I don't know, I think it was in while everything
one else was in picture in picture, but at one
point when Taz is complimenting how she looks like, Scaliber goes, wow, Nigel,
that's a really grotesque accent.

Speaker 9 (54:41):
You suddenly have you sound like Taz because it's speaking
over her so much. It was great.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Well, there was one point during that match six where
Mariah said something and and Excalibur just had to turn.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Away because he was laughing so hard. I mean, it
was just brilliant, perfect.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
I love Mariah on commentary so much. And then going
from that, you know, her usual banter to just the
dead silence when Tony comes out dressed as her, with
those horrible extensions. It was beautiful, and she was so

(55:18):
angry throughout it. She's exculted, she's and it's so funny
because you know, when Tony's been flipping the script on
everything that Mariah's done since coming to aw first with
the eager rookie thing and now with the impersonation and
coming out in her gear and their reactions, first Mariah

(55:44):
being you know, just so instead of like playing along
with Tony being like I think nothing of you. And
then here, instead of being flattered like you know Tony
with that whole I see me and you and I
love me, here she's so angry and insulted, and that

(56:05):
beautiful twist of how the same action can be either
mockery or complimenting. It's I love every absolutely every psychosexually
weird thing about this story.

Speaker 9 (56:21):
It's it's beautiful in this match, and they're.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
A commentary to each other, you know, Seth one of
the things that I wanted to point out on this
is that.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Look at Mariah May during this whole thing. Oh, I
have the and the class that she showed.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You've got to it has to be hard for you know,
of course I'm not a woman, believe it or not,
But for a woman to allow somebody to come out
and absolutely make fun of her for an entire match,
I imagine Mariah May backstage.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
With Tony Storm saying, Okay, you should do this, you
should do this.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I just know I just gaved a lot of respect
for Maria May in this match as well.

Speaker 9 (57:11):
Yeah, it's like I said everything.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
About when they okay, they I think are wrestling soulmates.

Speaker 9 (57:19):
They are proving that right now.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
They bring something out of each other in the ring,
out of the ring. That's just elevating. And I'm so
happy to be watching. You know, I got I back
when I started watching wrestling, you know, when I really
consciously got into it because I watched it when I

(57:42):
was like four, but like making the choice to watch it,
the storylines with women were abysmal. Like the only one
that I didn't mind at the time was China because
she was amazing and she was strong and you know
it was something more than just bron panties matches. And
then since I've gotten back into watching wrestling more back

(58:05):
in twenty seventeen, I've just been seeing this world of
just like taking female wrestlers seriously and with this story,
I'm like, this is exactly what I needed as a kid.
This is I needed to see women be messy and
violent and angry and just all of.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
This it's and deep throating their own fingers. Yeah, just fantastic.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
Ended up high school me needed to see that, whether
she knew it or not.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah, fair, fair, I mean like, this is, uh I
said it before, a microcosm of everything that should have
been happening with what women's wrestling a very long time ago.
You're you're now giving a platform to people to be
truly artistic with the art form that we love, and
they're really pushing it. And you have two people that
like Tony Storm and RJ uh it's RJ City, that's

(59:05):
yunning most of this correct, Let let them let them
run wild? Are you kidding? There's some of the best
storytelling this I believe in you guys. For those of
you Kelson I said this yesterday, this is the most
important thing that's happening in professional wrestling now. This is
one of the more interesting storylines that's happening in professional
wrestling now.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
It's been that way since November twenty twenty three. November
twenty third at Full Gear, Buddy, I mean, come on,
I mean it's just been and you know, you were
talking earlier in the show when we began to show
how many women or how many people. I think it
was something that brought it up that fifteen people were
involved in the in the men's the death story, you know,

(59:53):
the men's Look at all the women that have been
involved in this, you know, low key Tony Storm. Even
tonight we saw Charita Deeve even get a little bit involveds.

Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
Yeah, she's having this big thing with on the no Ends.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Well, I'll say this, and I've said it before and
I'll say it again. The women's division has been improved
a lot because of this storyline.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
It started in November.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
This has been the catalyst for the women's division to
get better. I mean, everybody, everybody gives the credit to Monette.
She's done a lot, She's got things written into her contract.
But if you didn't have Tony Storm in RJ City
and this storyline there would be the improvements that happened
to the women's division would not have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
No, and I agree with you, but I will say
that without money, I don't think that the Mariah May
and the Tony Storm storyline would have gotten anywhere near
as much time and care as it's gotten.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
Yeah, I feel like they probably Okay, so we all
know what the booking has looked like for the women
in the past, and I I feel like to attract
the big name that is Mercedes, they had to prove, hey,
we are actually going to treat the women's division with
the care that it deserves and we want to be

(01:01:14):
an environment that you want to go to.

Speaker 9 (01:01:16):
And I'm extremely happy for that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
Like I'm already happy enough to have Mercedes here, but
the fact that to get her they had to put
in enough attention to give this quality of story, it's yeah,
I'm grateful.

Speaker 9 (01:01:32):
I am so grateful.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Well, let's let's look at the bigger picture. What if
this is a representation of Tony Kan actually having outsourced
to people who actually know how to book women, and
now we're actually getting consistent representation. I don't want this
to be one off. I don't want this to be
one off. That's the sith. I'm sure you can agree. Yeah,

(01:01:55):
I don't want absolutely yeah, I don't want Tony Storm
to like take the belt and then talking about revolving
dowards the stories. I want this to be the what's
going on with women's women's wrestling in aw consistently forever?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Well, Shane, you know, look, look go ahead, Sutton.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
I'm sorry, no, I say the only thing about that
that worries me is outside of what Mercedes is doing
and outside what is going on with Mariah and Tony,
you still have too much. It's the same.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I see, I disagree. I disagree with you. There, I'm
not we talked about it last night. You've got you know,
Jamie Hater and uh Julia Julia Hart that is a
non title few that's going on. We're definitely gonna get
the third match because they're tied currently. Look, you know,

(01:02:48):
to to address what what Shane said, You've got Kenny Omega,
who is always better proponent of women's wrestling back now,
so he's gonna be pushing for it. You've got Will Washington,
another guy in the back that is a proponent. Jen
Pepperman and of course ourj City.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I don't think Tony Kan has a choice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Even if you wanted to squash women's wrestling right now,
it's here to stay at AW. I'm sorry, but I
do believe that women's wrestling is going to get a
big push this year, and maybe we will get those
women's tag team title belts and that'll even further the
story and open up a bunch of other stories.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I mean, think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
You got the Vendetta back there, You've got There was
news today that Charlotte Retegade is back and that she's
been back at backstage at Dynamite. So you got the
Retigades who are ruber to be teaming with Mercedes Monette.
So look, I mean there's a lot going on in

(01:03:53):
the women's division, and I believe it's going to get
more attention rather than less. And don't forget we've already
talked about Harley Cameron and what she's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
We're just going with what.

Speaker 8 (01:04:07):
You saying about the women's division getting more care and time.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
I want one more match per Dynamite.

Speaker 9 (01:04:14):
Yes, I ran the numbers. I say, I ran the numbers.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
I counted how many people are active on the Men
and Females roster, and there are the roster is one
third women in total, but we get like twelve minutes
in ring in an episode and then maybe about that
if we're lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Out twenty percent of you guys are getting literally roughly
between twenty one to twenty six percent PERU at Collision,
you guys are getting more. I hate, oh god, I
hate to say you guys, you guys, you guys, because
because say y'all, you can say y'all, say y'all. No,
Because in a perfect world I could just say wrestling.

(01:04:57):
I could just say, hey man, it's not a women
or ment thing, it's just wrestling. We're getting some kick
ass wrestling right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Well, I'm gonna say something, Shane.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I mean, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but between Dynamite
and Collision, you're getting thirty to forty minutes worth of
women every week these days, whether it's wrestling or promos
or backstage stuff or whatever. That's more wrestling than you're
getting in in WWE.

Speaker 8 (01:05:28):
Because the wrestling is one match per Dynamite, like it's
a wrestling show. Stories should be told in the ring
through the wrestling, and we're getting great women's content. I
mean I was going nuts sober Harley Cameron just a
second ago. But like, you know, one more match, I
feel like I can be happy with the division.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Well, look, you know in ten days we're getting Grand
Slam from Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
They're alluding to the fact that Mercedes Monet is going
to probably wrestle Harley Cameron on this. We're gonna get
Tony Storm and Mariah May there. You know, come on,
I mean, hey, these are big times.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
It's a positive dealt.

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
It's a positive movement. But I'm not going to be
content yet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Well, I don't think we should ever be content.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
Yeah, it's got so you know, it's always the penultimate
segment on Dynamite. It's always, you know, no more than
fifteen minutes for the match, and you know it's usually
less than that.

Speaker 9 (01:06:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
I think the longest match that the women have had
so far was at was one of the last pay
per views. Yeah, and it was only like twenty one minutes,
I think, or nineteen minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
I hate to be the one to say this, but
I'm gonna say it. It's coming around, but there's still
have and it's it's been that way forever. You mentioned
sith about like back when China was there. This is
something that has been going on for decades. It's gonna change.
It's just not gonna change overnight because it's just the

(01:07:11):
way wrestling is done. That's what it is. You don't
in America, especially, you don't have women's wrestling is not
considered that. It's not I'm not saying this to say,
you know, women's wrestling, bat, I'm saying this is the
way that the wrestling world looks at it. It's always
been this way. Aw has done a lot to change that,
but until it's it's gonna take time for it to happen.

(01:07:33):
It's just the way people look at wrestling. It's always
been that way. I mean, looking back at the time
when you had Trish and Leda and those guys that
were amazing in WWE.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
They might have a match.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
A month, yo, dude, But like, let's go back to
when women's what about bulling, Nakano, let's talk about like
every this you're talking about the distinction between American pro
wrestling culture and pro wrestling everywhere else on earth. I mean,
I mean, yeah, like like I'm not trying to be unlikely. Unfortunately,

(01:08:07):
you can say it unfortunately a million times. I respect
your opinions so much, dude, because you are like a
wrestling historian, but at this point in time, we got
to kind of disregard where we're at right now with
all of this, the fact that the women are getting
this type of representation, we should just take it as
a win, roll with it and push it as hard
as we can because it's and it's not the and

(01:08:28):
I gonna I'm not gonna say like for me, and
this is just me speaking like. This is just me
speaking like it like women's wrestling isn't wrestling. To me,
It's just women's wrestling. It's just wrestling. I want to
see I want that. I want to see the same
thing out of the women. I want to see out
of the men. I want to see good stories. I
want to see them beat the ship out of each other.
I want to see them to see them develop, I

(01:08:50):
want to see them build things that I'm going to
be attached to. And honestly, right now, and I've said
this a million times. I've said this a million times
in pods that I've been on in the past two
months on this channel, the most interesting thing happening women's
wrestling right now is Tony Storm, and now we're seeing
this evolve into something that's sucking in everything else in

(01:09:12):
women's wrestling. This might be the thing that pushes it
past all of the bullshit.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
I'm not saying, while both of y'all are right that
change never happens overnight. It's always, you know, a slow
and steady climb. Part of that is being proactive with it.
If you advertise it like it's this big deal, you're
going to people are going to start thinking, oh, this
must be a big deal.

Speaker 9 (01:09:39):
And that's current story exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:09:45):
He is.

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
You need to keep both booking those quality of stories
and keep advertising it like it is the big deal that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
It is and it is.

Speaker 8 (01:09:57):
We got a solid foundation right now and aw for
the women's division. I want to see them build a
beautiful house on top of that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
We have the potential we get there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Yeah, we absolutely do, Stane, I do want to move
on because we are running a little long.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
We still got a couple of segments.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Well, got a segment to talk about, Yeah, the main event, So, uh,
what did you guys?

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
You want to talk about?

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
The New York Minute, Chaine, I mean, let's call it.
Let's call it that. In New York minute, anyone here
want to talk about Jericho?

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Can we?

Speaker 9 (01:10:34):
Actually?

Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
I hate that I'm liking this stupid gimmick again, because
the thing is that it has succeeded in elevating both
Big Bill and Brian Keith. Last week, when Brian Keith
yelled Mandela effect about the Outrunners, I died And then okay,
hearing we're bringing the bounty hunter aspect of him back,

(01:10:57):
thank you, thank God, so that he can face Bandido,
I'm thrilled. And also, Big Bill versus Hobbes is just
it's exciting, it's fun. Both these guys are huge, big
guys who can move, which is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Let's not go too far into this Big Bill might
be one of the most slept on talents in aw
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Agreed, Absolutely delightful And I fully need to buy that
too much Man shirt because not only am I woman,
I'm five to one and shrinking, but like, it's just
seeing Big Bill be a silly little guy every week.
And Jericho has lately started, you know, kind of hinting

(01:11:46):
I'm not so happy with your performance, and since the
audience loves Bill so much.

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
I think it makes sense to turn him face at
some point in the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Next few months as they can. You can't deny that
Big Bill is the hero of Wales.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
So yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
I'm just disappointed Benzito didn't come out.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
I hate Oh my god, they were hoped. They were
trying to keep them from entering himself running out again.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
I'm sorry, Oh God, you're right, but I mean, you're
gonna call the guy out for next week for Saturday.
You're gonna get a big brujaha going, and you're not
gonna have him come out. I was so disappointed Bendido
was not there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Well, I think they probably just did that so that
they could give Powerhouse Hobbs a Big Bill more time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
You know, if they brought bad Dido out, they would
have kind of and.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
I still see the tag team in the future.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
Yeah, no, absolutely same like, free Big Bill and at
the same time, let Bendido and Brian Keith realize they
have more in common than they realized.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Yeah, I thought we them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
I thought we free all three of them at once
and realize that they're the real Outrunners and the out
of the outrus and as the VHS guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
We well, Shane, I have to admit something to you here.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
I actually did not get to watch most of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
The main event match between Ricochet and It's worst Strickland.
I had something going on and I had to kind
of walk away from the TV. Not that I didn't
want to watch it, I just couldn't. So why didn't
you talk about that for a bit and bring us
home tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
I'm I'm wrapping it all around all the way around, Sith.
How about you were wrapping all the way Listen the Sith.
I love you to death. Every single time I have
the privilege of seeing you on one of these pods,
I know that it's going to be a banger. The
last match was fantastic. I love seeing Ricochet go over.
It definitely brings uh A. It's going to uh. How

(01:13:53):
they ended Dynamite tonight was a very good wrap around
how entertaining Dynamite was as a whole, and whatever they
planned doing to Rick with doing two or with Ricochet
at this point doesn't matter because it's going to entertain us.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
You think that do you think I did catch the
end of the match? Do you think that is now earned?

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
I did?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I saw the end of the match, is what I said.
So I do know what happened at the end. I
just didn't see the bulk of the match. I saw
like the last three minutes of the match. That's all
I saw. But the Ricochet is earned the right to
become the next member of the Hurt Syndicate.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
That's what I wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Top does it matter he won and if they choose
to take him on, that's on them.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
Post that he stays single for a while anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
I don't anybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
I think. I think that Ricochet on his solo path
is doing a great job. If I think like this
was very This match was very Luca Underground. If you
guys remember, yeah, what's a kill shot versus Prince Puma.
This was very adjacent to that. I think this is
an opportunity to actually divine Ricochet as a heel and

(01:15:11):
continue to push on. That means that we're going to
get some good story in the future. That's my stance.
I mean, like, there wasn't a lot of meat or
substance in this match, was very fast. It started at
nine fifty seven. We didn't get it over until ten eleven,
and even then, three minutes after that the entire show
was over. This was this There was a lot of
opportunity in this match that we got, but it wasn't

(01:15:34):
something that was very well fleshed out.

Speaker 9 (01:15:37):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
It was first of all, I mean, put these two together,
you're not going to have a bad match. I've liked
Ricochet since I first saw him, which was back in NXT,
but you know, he's never really had very much of
a character, and I really like this little shitloord version
of him, who went from being annoying brother to just

(01:16:01):
kind of having his mind snapped by Swerve because that's
what Swerve does to all of his enemies, and I
love that about him.

Speaker 9 (01:16:09):
And here you have big pardon.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Do you believe that that Swerve is about to crush
him into dust?

Speaker 9 (01:16:15):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh absolutely yeah. But I loved.

Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
Seeing Ricochet evolve from just yeah he's laughable too. Oh
he's laughable, but he's crazy, and having him come out
in Atlanta and hit Swerve while he's wearing the Jimmy
Rave robe and then take it at the end of
the match.

Speaker 9 (01:16:39):
Perfect, He'll move right there.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
And just kind of in terms of character building in
the ring for each of them.

Speaker 9 (01:16:47):
We know what Swerve is.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
We know he's calculating, he's vicious, he's petty. He was
leading some of the bald chants from the audience, which
at some point Taz was like, oh, I hope they're
not saying that about me, Like, no, we may test
feel bad. But so he's doing that and Ricochet goes

(01:17:11):
sneaky about it, and that is what I think Swerve
is really bringing out of Ricochet like that, very sneaky,
like he's not a coward heel, He's a sneaky heel.
And him stealing the wind like that was great. I'm sorry,

(01:17:32):
I have to pause. I see a cat. I see
a cat. That is a great cat.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
Oh that understandable.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Boy.

Speaker 9 (01:17:44):
One of my last cats was a part vane coon.
He's big, easy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Anybody is listening context here, Shade just showed everybody is pussy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
Because talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
Came on. Hi.

Speaker 9 (01:18:04):
Everybody's cats.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
Mine are not allowed in my office because they sometimes
try and eat my audio equipment. But anyway, that just
Orb and Ricochet again just there. There was some really
good character building moments for Ricochet. Yeah, this match felt
kind of short, and it did run up against that overrun,
but it was all worth it for me for Ricochet

(01:18:31):
stealing that robe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Yeah, I mean I saw that and I thought that
was an interesting Uh that sounds like a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Basic heel move. No, it was meaningful and simple.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
I mean nothing wrestling doesn't have to be complicated or
over the top or extravagant.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Something as simple as that could be very effective.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
I mean, at last he didn't take swears bracelet with.

Speaker 13 (01:19:04):
His uh, with his gold scissors there he always carries
around like that's really like it really pops, you know
when he's carrying that scissors around.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Yeah, we've got a lot of scissor kings in a
w we really did.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
Had to break up because the scissor thing is going
to now be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:19:27):
Do y'all think that there are him and Bowen's at
some point could do a scissor thing or do you
think that, No, we should just keep them apart for now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
I think it's but I think it's too obvious to
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
So let it let it be, let it be, let
it be, let him go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
It's time to go there.

Speaker 9 (01:19:50):
Did y'all see the clip of Wigachet from the cruise?

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
I did, Yes, I did amazing, so much fun on
that cruise.

Speaker 9 (01:20:01):
Yeah, next year, I'm going next year. I declare it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
You know what, I damn it. I departed. I was
on a cruise last week and on the same day
at at Port Canaveral, I departed on the same day
that the Jericho Cruise departed from the same port.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Huh, we should all start a pool, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
And uh and and I'll get to you know, I'll
get together and go on the Jericho Cruise next year.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Oh my god, that would be great.

Speaker 9 (01:20:32):
That would be so.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
So send me all your money. There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Listen if I if I hit, if I hit the
mega millions this year, just know that everyone that's in
this chan currently is going on the Jericho Cruise.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
If you guys all hit it too.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Between get everybody McDonald's certificates.

Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
Between that and Curryman's retirement match and will Osprey I
auditioning to be an m XM collection.

Speaker 9 (01:21:02):
Oh my god, every that I've seen has been.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
A he he shot gonned fifteen sex on the beaches
like bam bam, bam, bam, bam bam bam. Jake, good
dude and hard.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Everyone had such a good time on that cruise. I
wanted to go last year. I didn't get the opportunity
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Guys, I've been to cut us off because we are
running really long, and uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
I think we just need to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
He came guys, God damn it, we've done too much. Hey,
great show tonight. I want to shout out to everyone
that came up, that that showed up to the party.
Uh Smith, Steve Sutton, uh uncle, welcome to the party, brother,
uh mk, wherever you ended up and uh Rollins. It

(01:21:56):
was a good show.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I hope everyone. Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
We'll be back on Tuesday night for Ignition at eight
forty five Eastern time. You can come and join us
on our Discord channel. The link will be in the
description of this podcast until then. Forty aw fatak Podcast Team.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
This is Kelson.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
It is Shane Dy Good night, everybody night, guys, Good night,
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