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December 19, 2024 • 77 mins
What did you think of AEW Dynamite Holiday Bash? Join Sutton and Kelson as we break down the matches and segments on the show, and let you know what resonated the most with us. What were your favorite parts of Holiday Bash? Did the show enhance your excitement for World's End and Fight for the Fallen?

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's Wednesday. You know what that means. It's time for
all the Talk with the aw ban Hub podcast team.
This is Kelson and Tonight I'm joined by El Sutton
and we're going to talk about a w Dynamite Holloway
bash from Washington, d C. Sutton, How you doing, buddy,
and what do you want to talk about? First?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm good? How you today? Let's talk about the women's match.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Give me a chance? Answer? How you? Oh, let's talk
about you? So?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
You blew your chance?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh see, I know. But uh, let's talk about the
Mercedes Monet and uh An a J match. I thought
it was a really good match. They both did well
in the I kind of missed the middle part of
it because I was having internet issues and it was
like for five seconds or ten seconds, it glitched out
and I was like, one she had the Queen Slayer

(01:01):
on her. In the next minute she's she's up against
the roupe and I'm going, what the hell happened? But overall,
I thought it was a really good match. I really
really did think it was a good match, especially for Mercedes.
She had a hell of a match tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I mean, did you get the chance to see
Mercedes and Azuki from a strong style evolved. I mean
people were saying that that was possibly the women's match
of the year. I think Dave Meltzer, who never exaggerates sarcastic,
he said, said that that was probably the best women's

(01:36):
match that's ever been held on US soil. It was
like almost a twenty seven minute long match, and it
was the main event of the evening and it was
I bought the I bought the pay per view. I
didn't get a chance to watch it live because I
was just under the weather, but I bought it on

(01:56):
Triller so I could go back and watch it. And yeah,
that match, I mean, Kazuki and Mercedes Monet definite chemistry there.
And watching that match and then watching Anna Ja and
Mercedes Monet now and A Jay's got a totally different
physique move set. Sorry Sampunk, but I had to use

(02:21):
the word term mood set, move set. But it's still
the match was. Honestly, the match between Anna Ja and
Mercedes Monett wasn't as good as the one from Saturday Night,
but this was a really good match, and I particularly
liked that it was the opening match and there was

(02:45):
a seed of doubt plant that they did really good
storytelling in the ring. Yeah, you know, I there's really
not much more to say. I was kind of wanting
Anti Jay to win this because and it's nothing against
Mercedes Monet, and I have nothing against Mariah May either.
I said it before and I'll say again. I just

(03:06):
don't like when Beltzer just held on to for too long. This.
I like to see turnover at least every couple or
three months. I believe this was Mercedes Monet's eleventh defense,
which I believe other than Jade Cargill, who personally I

(03:28):
don't even count because those matches were by and large
just jobber matches were awful because frankly, Mercedes Monet, Julia Hart,
Chris stat Lander, Willow Nightingale are much better wrestlers, much

(03:48):
better TBS champions than the Jade Cargill was, which I
don't blame Jay Cargill was the booking. It was this
book really weird. But anyway, this was versus eleventh defense.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It's time, Yeah, I kinda I kind of have a
feeling that, and I think I thought said it last night.
I have a feeling that she's Mercedes is time as
champion on both belts. I think is up the way
they have it, the way they have it scheduled. Somebody,
I can't remember what was said. I saw it somewhere.

(04:22):
I read it that they believe that there's since she
really doesn't have a match for rett World's end, they're
gonna end up having a rematch with her in Staton
that that might win the title then and then at
Russell Kingdom she's facing Mina in a belt for a belt.

(04:42):
So I don't see I don't see Mina losing or
I don't see Mercedes winning the rev Pro belt.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I mean, but look, going back to this match, I
think we both agreed that this was a very good match.
It wasn't like at all whole I must see you know,
see TV, But with the job done, it was very enjoyable.
I liked everything from the match itself. The commentary was

(05:12):
really good.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Uh yeah, I think it was the building. I think
it was the smaller venue they've had those for a
couple of times.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Next week they're gonna be in the Hammerstein. I think
that's going to be an amazing show. Regardless of the
show itself, I think the fans are just gonna be
like over the Top.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, Saturday Night's collision. Of course, Friday Night is the
rig of Hoter pay per view from Hammerstein. Saturday Night's
Collision is from Hammerstein. And then I think they're taping
Dynamite on Sunday if I'm not mistaken. Is that what
we said? Yeah? Uh so, yeah, it's gonna be an
interesting week. Uh, let's move on. We had we had

(05:57):
two segments following this match. One was an in ring
segment and one was a backstage segment. We'll talk about
them boat at the same time. Of course, the in
ring segment was MJF coming into the ring and spouting
off about Washington, DC and how poor they are and now,

(06:18):
which I used to live in the DC metro area,
it's far poor. It's expensive as hell there. I lived
in Fairfax for a while and that was like, God's
just going to get tissues to blow your nose. You
needed to get a second job anyway. And then after
that we had a backstage interview, so to speak with

(06:42):
Jamie Hayter addressing what happened on last week with Julia
Hart taking her out with a DDT, which I don't
know about you, but I don't think I've ever seen
Julia Hart do a DDD before. But kid, so let's
talk about both of those segments. What did you think

(07:03):
about the m JF. And of course Adam Cole came
out not looking yellow. Of course, ye backstage thing he
was shirtless for whatever reason, but what he was in
the ring, he was clothed, so he didn't come out yellow.
But m JF did point out the yellow Adam Cole.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Which, yeah, I thought that was fun.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I predicted that, so yeah you did.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I uh, I just have a feeling that this is
going to be that the United Kingdom boys there are
gonna do something at the pay per view. I just
see some somehow, some way, Yeah, I do. I just
don't know why, but I just have this feeling that

(07:51):
Cole's about to get turned on, and I think m
JF is going to be the culprit that does it.
It just I just feel there's something feels weird about it.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I I absolutely that's the I got that. I saised
it when I was watching it. It's like, yep, Cole
got the table to Bennett yep hm hm.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
As for Hater, it is interesting, it'll be an interesting match.
I kind of like it. That it's gonna be Julia's
first match back. Uh, and we've said it before, Uh
hater just I don't know if she just doesn't seem
the same as she used to as she was when
she before she got hurt, and hopefully a match with

(08:34):
Julia will bring back the old Jamie.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
I like that they set this match for Fight for
the Fall and a not at World's In. I think
the World's In would have been too much of a rush.
I would not be surprised to see either Julia and
probably even Jamie have a match on Rampage or Collision

(09:03):
this week and uh, just see what happens, because well, Julia,
that can't be. I I just don't think that that's
smart to have Julia's first match against Jamie Hayter. And
I don't think that it's smart to have Jmi Hayter
going into a match with Julia Hart coming off a loss.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I just think.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I just think because I just think, because we've talked
about when people come back from matches from injuries before,
how a lot of them come back and they seem
kind of timid, And to me, that's what it seems
like Jamie has been is very timid, and I think
that if this is Julia's first match is against Jamie,

(09:51):
it will be they'll be on the same level of
I don't I don't want to say a billy, but
they'll be on that same playing field where it comes
to what they're willing to do and what they need
to do to kind of work themselves back into it.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, I don't know. I kind of understand what you're
saying about Jimmy looking a little timid, but I'm more
attributed to you know, she's obviously slimmed down quite a bit.
She's got a totally new hairdo, totally do makeup, and
totally do ring gear, so she just looks different. But

(10:29):
I kind of think she still hits hard.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh yeah, I mean you can't. You can't. She would
have to become like a stick figure to take away
from her ability to hit hard. But when you watch
her wrestle, she just doesn't seem to have the same
flow that she used to. She used to have a
serious flow where she'd come out and she'd just be
on a roll and she would literally be trying to

(10:55):
decapitate everybody and just be all power. And I don't
see that anymore.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yes, you're right. I I think I'm still just happy
to see JB. Hater back in the ring and back
in aw and I've really not been too critical of
what she's been doing well.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
And it comes down to she hurt her back. She
had one of the worst injuries you can have by
she hurt her back, and a back injury is something
that you don't just you know, you can't ever forget
that you had that injury. Sometimes you can forget an
injury if you've ever played a sport and you've hurt yourself,
and once you come back from that, you can, like
in some cases, just ignore it and it never bothers

(11:36):
you again. But when it comes to your back, you've
always got to have that in the back of your mind.
And I think that's what the issue is. I don't
think that she's I'm not trying to, you know, say
anything critical about it. It's just the way it appears,
and it's kind of like she got a slow start.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Maybe it's a little psychological thing, and if you're psychological,
you definitely don't want to be in the ring with
someone like Julia RP. Because that's what you said through. Yes,
it's true, well, there was another thing that came out
right after the Jamie Hayter backstage segment. They showed a
little bit yette or a movie or a package talking

(12:18):
about Kenny Omega.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
The one thing that really stuck out to me about
that package is that is that it didn't advertise too
much his match at Russell Dynasty against Gabe Kid. I
don't think he even mentioned Gabe Kid. It didn't It
said Russell Dynasty, but it did really even say like,

(12:46):
it didn't have like the date at the time on
the screen or anything like that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
They just did it.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
So that leads me to believe that either Saturday Night
Collision or World's End, we're going to see Kenny Omega,
and aw.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, I kind of get you that feeling. And I
don't think it's going to be a match, No necessarily.
I think he's going to come out and maybe if
if it's a World's End, maybe it will be after
the end of the end of the after the world
title match and he confronts Max.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
It just.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I thought the same thing kind of and I'm thinking
I was trying to figure out what I thought where
he might come back at, but I really couldn't see
a clear spot.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well, I believe it was fightful. Select reported that the
a W plan for Kenny Omegas for him to have
a feud with Kazuko o Kada when he comes back,
and that makes sense, and that could very well happen
at World's End because we all pretty much believe that
Okada is going to be one of the final four
Continental Classic. Uh. The other thing that I'm interested in

(14:04):
seeing is whether we see maybe the Elite at World's
End as well, and see if.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I think they're taking on the I thought they were
taking on the new Japan Tight.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Camps there at Russell Dynasty, and it's not the Yeah,
I'm thinking that the Elite will show up at World's End.
They do have a match already booked for Russell Dynasty,
same as Kenny Omega. Right, So the problem with that

(14:47):
match and I'm and I may be wrong here. I
believe the guys that they are going against, and I
may again, I may be wrong here. One of them
got injured. So it's going to be the Elite against
one of the new Japan wrestlers, and I don't know
who it is because I just don't know, to be

(15:09):
honest with you, I don't have it in front of
me and a mystery partner. So that's why I'm kind
of thinking that maybe Elite comes out, you know, Matthew
and Nicholas come out of the EVPs at World's End
and something happens to where whether it's a video feed

(15:31):
or whatever, and the mystery partner is revealed because you
can't go into a pay per view on the fifth,
you know, a week after World's End with the Elite wrestling.
You don't know who, right, I just don't think. Now
that may be common in Japan, I don't know, but

(15:51):
in America that probably wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Go over, So I don't know that would be weird.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, so let's move on to an actual match we saw, well,
we saw the Patriarchy against hook At about of course patriarchy.
Patriarchy being Nick Wayne and Christian Cage, Tip Sabian and
Mama Wayne were outside the ring. What did you think
of this?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
It was an all right match, is a typical patriarchy match.
I I just I just don't see the purpose of it.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, it was kind of fire. It was a filler match. Yeah,
you didn't do anything really to further anything.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
No, and and it was just it. You knew that
numbers were gonna pay, the going to be the out
fact that they they determined the outcome, and exactly what
you expected happened happened, and you know, I just I
don't know. It just it seems like now that they've
gotten rid.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Of the the the the other title that that Hook
was going for all over place, they have nothing for him,
so they're just kind of throwing him in with this
and I don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, I mean, remember they showed the kind of like
a little highlight of what happened what was it last
week with Christian Cage being in the stands and Hook
came and attacked him. Yeah, that was entertaining. And that
was that more entertaining to me than this whole match was. Yep,

(17:27):
that is not Again, it's not a the fault of
the wrestlers themselves. They did fine. It's just that there
was just no purpose. It just did It was just
a filler. It didn't make any sense. It didn't do anything.
And it's not like they're what are they get to
wrestle at zero hour or something. Now, I don't I
don't know. They didn't even mention that.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know, there's absolutely no story too. It's all because
of supposedly Christian attacked his dad, but and he said
he had a reason, but he never said what the
reason was. And it's just been he said that, like
when Hook confronted him the first time, and he's like,
you don't know, there is a reason, and you don't

(18:11):
know what it was, and then he kind of left
it to that, and since then it's just been okay,
were you just gonna leave it hanging there? So, you know,
I don't know if it's a if it's a if
they're trying to figure out what to do with these guys,
or you know, because right now Christian's got that title
shot eventually, which I don't think he'll ever turn in.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, we're gonna it keeps dragging on. People are just
gonna forget about it.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, and and he keeps introducing himself himself as the
the current and reigning number one or number one, that
next next world world champion.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I mean, I like that. That's brilliant. The problem is
is that there's no hey Off and look, I mean,
he could I could very well see this story with
him holding that contract in that Beating up close clipboard

(19:13):
until September of next year. Because this doesn't seem to
be going anywhere. Just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's I think they I think they got ahead of
themselves when they did that, because they they kind of
made it out there, and then everything kind of took
a turn when they they did when Brian said this
is what we're gonna do and how we're gonna do it,
and I don't think they they were prepared for that,
and it was kind of like, well, we're gonna do

(19:41):
this story. Well, now it's not gonna work. Now what
are we going to do? And it's just kind of
hung out and I don't see it going anywhere because
I honestly, we all know that. I don't think Christians
ever gonna win the title.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I kind of agree with you. I don't think I
mean the title.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
He would, he would, He doesn't need a title. See,
I liked Christian and Edge when they were a team
tag team. I have never personally liked Christian as a
solo wrestler. He just to me, you know, even as
Captain Charisma, he just didn't impress me as a singles guy.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, well, speaking of that, we kind of skipped over
something and that was the ft rbin Yet at the
very beginning of the show, I believe it happened right
after the Anna Jam ther Cities bonet match. They were
in Ashville on video saying that for whatever reason, they
weren't cleared, both of them. That's why I understood it,

(20:40):
is that both of them were not cleared, but they
will be cleared for January first fight for the Fallen
in Ashville, and they were kind of out a challenge
there for the Death Writers and at the end they
said they're not coming alone. Well rated FTR it is yep. Yeah,

(21:10):
I mean, do you think they would have been better
off not even saying something like that?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Nope, I think I because you know, we had this
hot debate about how half of the podcast crew like
what's going on with the Death Riders the other half
are kind of getting tired of it. But like I
said before, at at full Gear, they took the next
step up where they got Hangman and Jay White involved

(21:35):
in it, which is the next level up. I think
once this is taken care of, because it'll be the
week after, it'll be the the the the Fallout show
basically of World's End, and it will be the next
step up where it's going to be rated R, rated
rated FTR and the Death Riders, and that'll be the

(21:57):
next one that carries over to the next pay per view.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Right, Yeah, because there's a I mean, if you look
at the card for Russell Dynasty, which happens four days
after Fight for the Fallen, there's not a lot of
people from a W on that card really when you
think about it. I mean there's no Swerve, There's no Moxley,
you know what I mean, There's there's no Hurt Syndicate.

(22:22):
There's is on there, and uh it'll be a VPS
are on there, not Anakata. Jack Perry's on it. Yeah,
Mercedes Monette is on it, and Athena is in the
four Way with Persephone from CMLL. The stardom has not

(22:45):
decided yet, so yeah, I mean I think that the
faith for Fight for the Fight for the Fallen on
January first is going to be a little bit more
than the fallout show. I think it's going to be
a big production for a W.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Well, yeah, I was just referring to it being the
show the first Dynasty or the first Dynamite the thing,
and it's gonna be I mean, you know, they're doing
this to help the people, ask of Hill.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
No, no, no. But what I'm saying. What I'm saying
is is that when you have a pay per view
World's end on what is it, the twenty eighth, right,
and then literally ten days later you have a pay
per view in Japan, which is a lot of work

(23:34):
to get to Japan. You got to travel, you got
all the equipment and everything else you got to take
on January fifth, you know, so normally what you would
think is like a show the Dynamite in between those
two shows, it probably would be like a filler show, right.
I don't think that's going to be the case. I

(23:57):
think The Dynamite's going to be a big production. Like
I mean, it's gonna be like a pay per view
on free TV kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I think, oh, yeah, well, you know, we have a
we have a isn't uh? Mariah? I think she's on
the match. I think she has a match there.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Of course, JB. Hater and and Julia hart Yep and
fight for the Falling.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's it's I kind of like what they're doing though,
because you have World's End the weekend before that, and
you're not pushing like everybody that's scheduled for the match
on World's End are not on Russell Dynasty, unlike what
they've done in the past, where they've had all out

(24:45):
one weekend and all in the next, you know what
I mean, and you've had or the upp opposite way,
all in and all out. This way, you've got totally
different people that are going to be represented on each
of the shows, and it will be they won't feel
so hectic.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I guess, yeah, Well, you know, I want to move
on because I want to talk about Well Shelton Benjamin
took on Beast Mortos. Now, both of these guys were
extremely over with the DC crowded. Frankly, I believe they're

(25:25):
over with all a W fans. I think Mortos is
eating pins, but if he starts winning, I don't think
people have a problem with that. And I feel the
same way about Commander. Of course, before that match, we
had Ricochet confront the Hurt Syndicate and basically they said,
we don't like you know, kiss asses, and they tore

(25:48):
up his business career. It looks like at this point
Ricochet is not going to be joining the Hurt Syndicate.
Shelton beIN Beast Mortos had I thought was a really
good match, and then afterward you had Daniel Garcia and
Mark Brisco come out to the ring and a run in,
and as you said earlier, it was still two on

(26:13):
three at that point, so they got destroyed.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yep. Yeah, And and and I get it doesn't make
any sense to be doing this. This is part of
the they're part of the C two. This is different
this time than the last time around. You didn't have
any of these beatdowns after the matches. The matches happened,
they were over, and that was the end of it.
You didn't have this interaction like you're having this year.

(26:38):
And I kind of think it takes away a little
bit from the C two. Just to me, it does.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I mean I don't think it takes away from
the C too. It's just odd because it just is.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, I mean, it just didn't. I mean, it was
kind of.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Let me put it this way, there's a lot of
story behind this. I don't remember it, so they probably
didn't do it real well, you know, something that was little.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I just don't know. I honestly, I don't remember it either,
but I know it was something that happened between the
Hurt Syndicate and Danew Garcia last week. I think something
somewhere along the line happened that got them involved, and
that's where this is coming from. And then of course
Risco came out to back up his buddy, so you

(27:35):
know Garcia, so that was why they were there. But
it's just it's just one of those things, like you said,
it's very odd. It's something that is like, there's so
much going on in AW right now, you can lose
something real easy.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, people aren't used to stories in AW and there's
not a lot of that going on right now because
you pretty much need a diary to keep up with
some of the stories are going because they're they're happening.
So it's weird because with AW, either stories hit real
fast or they have a slow burden to them. There's

(28:11):
no middle ground, right They quite often and then you
have something that happens. But one of the longest stories
that a W has had that started gosh well over
a year ago now is the Tony Storm saga, and

(28:33):
she had a vignette with RJ City very very reminiscent
of one that she had as Timeless Tony Storm months
and months and months ago. It was at the same setting.
And did you catch where Tony Storm said that she
she was just you love the lights and Timeless Tony

(28:54):
Storm hated the lights. So it's you know what I mean,
It's just like because it was in the same room,
it looked like either if it wasn't the same room,
its very similar. Yeah, and RJ City just his facial
expressions were spot on. Total Storm was fantastic. I mean,

(29:17):
look in lesser hands, this could have come off as
really hokey and really stupid, you know what I mean,
But this came off really well. I enjoyed every second
of this, and I can't wait to see what this

(29:38):
Tony Storm is capable of. I mean, can she become
you know, the four time aw Women's Champion of question?
In her mind she has to win it four times
to do that. Yeah, but so to be the seventh time.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know what me and You've been watching wrestling for
a very very long time, this has got to be
one of the greatest stories I have ever seen anywhere,
because Tony is doing an amazing job with this. She
started it out, nobody knew where it was gonna go.
And now she's gotten to the point where the psychotic

(30:15):
break is complete and she is she is the new
girl again and it wholeheartedly buying and taking everybody down
that road. And it's just like you watch it and go,
oh my god, this is perfect.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah. You know what's the interesting thing. I'm gonna ask
you a question. When Tony Storm first arrived in a
W two years ago, when she was in the remember
she was introduced at the first owen Hart Yeah, or
the first match was she was a surprise entrance entrant

(30:56):
and she took on the Bunny and of course she
went on to join the Outcast and she went on
to you know, well she before she joined the Ie
Cash she had a bunch of stuff going on before did.
The question is during that time, did you see this
coming out of Tony Storm? I had no idea that

(31:18):
she she would be somebody that could pull this off.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, you're right, I didn't either, And like I said,
this is this is to me, this is probably the
best story I've ever seen. I mean, just the fact.
And and you can blame it all on a lot
of it on r J himself because he's the architect
that wrote this. From everything I understand it's been his
baby when it first started and him and Tony and

(31:44):
Tony are working this out and this is amazing. And no, she.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, never would that.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
She never would have given me that impression, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
And you got to hand it that Mariah May has
been the perfect foil.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
So and introducing Mina Shiri Kawa into the mix, I mean,
everything is just clicked. And I'll go out and say
it right now, but the matches are secondary to the story.
But there is no story without the matches.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Oh yeah, I mean you've got to have the matches.
But if this was a match every three months, you
wouldn't care because everything that's going on outside of the
ring is almost more compelling than what goes on inside
the ring.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, but you know, it's important to get Tony Storm
and Maria May back together because they have the chemistry
and Tony Storm without Remont, Mariah May is still fantastic.
She proved that. Yep, Maria May is still good, but

(33:01):
it's just different. Yeah, she she would not that you
would be better or she would be good with Tony Storm,
not saying that Mariah May is bad, right, now because
she's not on commentary. Everything she's done and said has
been really well put together. But it's so much better

(33:22):
with Tony Storm.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
So, I mean, I'm looking forward to getting those two
back together. And speaking of kidding together, boy oh boy,
will Ospray and Darby Allen that I just will Osprey

(33:47):
had what did they say, forty pounds on Darby Allen? Yeah,
pretty much everybody. I mean, I think Rio may have
a couple of pounds on Darby Allen.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think she's the only one. He's bigger then.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
But anyway, Yeah, but you know, Barby Allen's still put together.
Maybe just an athlete, you know, let's put it that way.
There's no no advants or thoughts about it. And were
you shocked that Darby Allen got to win on this?
I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I was.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I thought I was going to do a uh.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I was too because I was keeping an eye on
the time. I actually wanted to see how close because
it started right at ten thirty or nine thirty, and
I'm thinking, man, they got this, this this six man
match at the end of the night, and you're leaving
at the most, at the least you're leaving ten minutes
for that, and then when it started getting closer and closer,
I'm going and they are going to go the whole way.

(34:42):
And then Darby just turned it up that they did
some of the most amazing stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
That was a crazy drop off. When will Osprey was
laying on the under the ropes, basically on the ring,
apri Yeah, moved out of the way to that comfin drop.
I was like, why, you know what I was like,
I was acting like I was Darby Allen's mother.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I thought I thought he killed himself, to be honest
with you, and I thought he made a mistake because
he landed on the edge. I don't think that was
supposed to happen.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Stop already, I mean it was. It wouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Darby if it weren't. As like we talked about last
night with the appearance of Jericho at the g GCW thing,
and they were complaining because he does the same thing
every time he shows up. Of course he does because
he's Jericho, and that's what Jericho does, same thing with Darby.
If he if Darby's got a chance, he's gonna do
whatever he can to go one thousand percent, and if

(35:50):
it means thrown himself on the edge of the ring.
He's gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I really don't want Darby Allen to climb Mount Everest either.
That asshole is going to throw himself off the cliffs
just to see what it feels like. Lands.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Have you ever seen have you seen the commercial for
the Jesus where the dude's going down the mountain side
he's getting They had the cheese at commercial where the
dudes laid out of the top and there's Jesus down
the trail and the dude starts sucking him up as
he's belly flopping down. That would be I can see

(36:28):
him doing that.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
That would that would not be Darby because it's a
he's sliding down. He would just go over the edge.
That's Darby and they and they'll put like a I
don't know, a bucket of water down at the bottom
of hot water and he's got a land in it.
I mean, I really do believe that Darby Allen is

(36:54):
Like I'd be afraid to meet Darby Allen, Like walking
down the street and he's coming, you know, walking down
the sidewalk along the street and he's coming the other way,
walking toward me, and I recognize him and I shake
his hand, you know, say hello, He's like, very nice
to meet you. Then he stops just runs out in

(37:16):
front of a UPS truck just for the hell of it,
you know. I mean, I just think that Darby Allen
is he's like a nineteen seventy stunt man.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, And you know, I.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I just think remember when he set Jack Perry on
fire with the flamethrower. Yeah, I was like, how did
Darby Allen not get set on fire at the same
time I thought it would. He must have been jealous
as hell.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
You know what, he is insane. He truly is insane,
but he is great at what he does. He's a
stunt man in another in another life then.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying. I mean,
there were so many great moves in that match, and
I got to give it to the d C crowd
because they were hot, they really were. And it's not
the first time that AW has been in d C,
and when they've been in d C before, they really

(38:24):
showed out. Then honestly, I think d C is probably
the top a W crowd that I've seen consistently. I Mean,
Chicago's been good, but Chicago's also had some iffy spots.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
R d C has been.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Always on it, and I know hats out the DC,
and I think Arlington at the Esports Stadium, the crowds
there were fantastic. I'm really interesting this. Interested to see
al the Hammerstein shows go. Yeah, me too, so but
I think that we're going to see something really special

(39:04):
there with the crowds too. So hey w I think
they're on the right track. Speaking of being on the
right track, let's talk about the Beate event more specifically.
You talked about the main event. Go ahead and tell
me what happened, because so.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It was exactly what you thought it would be. It
started out where they went head to head, you know,
before they were doing a little pre interview and Jay
White was doing most of the talking. And he was
talking he said that, you know, people were questioning if
we're going to work together, and he says, I want
everybody to everybody should know this about me. I'm only

(39:47):
interested in one thing, the world title. He says, I
don't have the Bang Bang Gang with me, so I
got to rely on this orange dude. And then he
started to say something about okay, so you saw that.
Then again in the ring and Orange starts out and
it just went the way you figured it would. And
about halfway through mile, not even that. About ten minutes in,

(40:11):
Hangman just runs out because there was a disagreement between
him and Jay White about going after Max.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
And so did you say you hang mad a banded
the team.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, he left the ring. He went and walked to
the back. So Jay White got the shit kicked out
of him for half the match, at least half the match,
but he did his but he did his best, and
he was fighting back. It wasn't like he was just
getting the crap kicked out of him. He put up
a hell of a fight. Orange kept getting taken out
on the side, and of course Claudio got involved a

(40:45):
couple of times, and it was all Jay White versus
the three of them, and he held his own and
he finally got Orange back in and they started to
do something and Hangman came back out and he he
was he had Mox in the I think it was Mox.
He had Mox in the ring, and he was set.

(41:06):
He got thrown off to the to the apron and
he looked like he was getting ready to do the
buck shot, and Orange came in did an Orange punch
and then he confronted the Hangman and then Max got
up and he went to through do the buckshot and
looked like he was gonna hit Orange and Orange Duck
and he hit Mox and then uh, it just broke

(41:26):
down from there and those him and Jay White and
Cal and Uh Hangman were fighting and talking out and
bitching at each other, and Max did a roll up
pin of Orange and that was the end of the match.
And after that they all walked out like they were
gonna go and those three are still in the ring
bickering with each other, and well who was still in

(41:49):
the ring? The three Yeah, Orange, Orange and and and
Jay White and Mox grabbed a chair and it looked
like they they had all four of them were on
the sides of the ring and it looked like they
were gonna do something. And then they the guys in
the ring all kind of went back to back end

(42:09):
went after them, and that was that was basically how
it ended. Okay, it to me, it did exactly what
we were talking about last night is gonna happen at
the pay per view. Marx is gonna win. He's gonna
pin Orange again because Hangman and Jay White are gonna
take each other out.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Did you feel because I didn't watch a second of it, right, so,
did you feel that it enhanced the story in any way,
shape or form.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I mean, it would have been better if it would
have been the next week on the Go Home Show,
because it was a go home match. It was just
a match where they, you know, everybody that's involved in
the match gets in the ring together, you do your thing,
and then it leads up to the It's it was
a week too early for me. It should have been
next week.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
But now now we're talking about I know they get
this match out of the Go Home Show too, Yeah,
I know, but it's just I mean, it's one of
those things where you know it's gonna be I guess
your your perspective of what you're getting from the Death
Writer's story is gonna determine how you looked at the match.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I thought it was fine. I mean, it wasn't It
wasn't your typical like I said, they beat on instead
of having I mean the very last part of it,
they did get everybody get to do their moves like
they always do. But for the most part, Jay White
took the beating. And I mean, if it was me
and I would have said this was any other type
of match, And it was any other wasn't the death

(43:46):
Writer's storyline? I would say that they were setting it
up for Jay White to win it the pay per view?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, well anymore. And let me explain to everybody why
I did not watch this match. And there's several reasons.
The first reason is is that it is very rare
that I have any interest in a multiman match, especially
when there's when it's a meaningless match, meaning that there's
no titles or anything else going on, especially as we've

(44:14):
seen it before. This match had no titles being defended,
and we've kind of seen it before, not in the match,
but we've seen the battle before. I you know, I
I really don't have any interest in and seeing this.
I mean, I'll even go this step step further. What
was it on Collision this past week? There was a

(44:35):
multi man match between who wasn't Orange Cassidy and the Outrunners?
Was somebody else on the team? Was a four on
four or three on three? I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Uh, there was the Outrunners Orange Cassidy and there was
somebody else because it was was it was the three
guys from the The Mark Mark three guys and the
two guys from N Next M there were match, so
I I can't remember who the other two were.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, well I don't know because as soon as Orange,
because Orange Cassidy was the first person to come out,
as soon as the first chords of his music hit,
I changed the chance, and I didn't see what happened.
And frankly, I don't care what happened. I don't care
who won. I mean, it was just a throwaway, meaningless
multiman match. Aw needs to stop doing this shit, and

(45:22):
I'm gonna go one step further, two steps further when
it comes to the four way at World's End between Moxley, Hangman,
J White, and Orange Cassidy. They did announce earlier today
that I believe that was going to be the main event.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, it's the main event.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
That's the main event.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
You know what that means?

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I get to go to bed early because I don't
give a damn. I really don't. I mean those matches, ye,
correct me if I'm wrong. You had you had a
three on three match tonight? How often were all three
either in the ring or standing on the apron? I

(46:06):
would venture to say more than half the match that
didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Now that for that. For the Death Riders, it was
almost the entire match where they were all three on
the side.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Right, so it's always and then there's a bunch of
standing around from the people that aren't in the ring
and they get hit. You know, Look, here's the thing.
I like logic in wrestling, I really do. Right, you
see somebody get a pile driver and they're up on
their feet fifteen seconds later.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
You see somebody that's standing in the corner and gets
slapped across the face. They fall off the apron to
the floor and they're bent over for five minutes from
a bitch slap. That makes no sense to me. Did
they do the spot where everybody got the dude one
of their moves?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Sort of, it was kind of like that, but not
everybody was in the ring. It was just Orange and
Jay versus the other three, and they kind of did that,
but it was like the first two did their moves,
but then when Moxie went to do his, it kind
of fell apart for a second. So it was kind
of the same, but it was a little different.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, And I said that there was another reason why
I really wasn't interested in this match. And this goes
something back to what you guys talked about on the
podcast last night. I mean, I don't have a problem
with the death Writers. I really don't. It's just that
when I look at this show, and when I look

(47:42):
at like last week's Dynamite, there were so many segments
that were better than the death Writers, you know what
I mean. It's just like it's it's a low mid
card angle, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
I mean, Well, here's the way I see it. Like
I said, like I said before, they're doing this in steps,
which is what you have to do. The first step
was up to full Gear, where they had everybody they
were they were going after the younger guys and the
low level people who are the target of what they're after.

(48:19):
What Marx is trying to do is wake those guys up.
They went to the to the pay the pay per
view Full Gear, Orange Cassidy got took the loss, and
immediately you had Jay White and Hangman Page step in
and that's the next step up. This is going to
lead up to the next pay per view. Once that happens,

(48:42):
you're going to have immediately the next show is going
to be rated R rated FTR versus the Death Rids,
which to me is another step up. So they're gradually
building this up.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
That could be a step off. But when Orange Casside
challenged John Moxley at full Gear for the AW World Championship,
what did I call Orange Cassidy for the From the
time that it was announced until the time that it

(49:16):
was took place at full Gear, I called Orange Cassidy
a transitional challenger. There was no way in hell that
Orange Cassidy was gonna win that match, right right, just
like there's no way in hell that Orange Cassidy, Jay

(49:36):
White and Hangman at him Page are gonna win at
World's End, And if they do, then they must have
some big story plan because if one of them wins
this match, it doesn't make any sense, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
But that's that's that's to the point where, you know,
so everybody complains that AW does one of two things.
They have very short story built up. Well, they had
the very slow burn, and this just happens to be
one of those slow burn moments.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yes, but it just never got up for me in
my I understand it's a slow burn. That's fine, but
for me, it just never got lit. I mean it's
there's just a few sitting there waiting to be lit.
There's just nothing interesting going on in this for me.

(50:32):
I'm sorry, but that's just the way I feel. I have.
I was at a show when this was going on.
I was at the show at a show in October,
Uh it will spare Pennsylvania where the Death Writers made
an appearance, and I was like, oh, okay, I mean

(50:53):
it's it's just the same thing over and over again,
and it's just not in dear to me. I don't
know how to explain it. It's I did. That's why
I changed. I turned off. I literally changed a channel
so that I I took my dogs out for for
a short walk because I knew I had probably twenty

(51:16):
minutes to do so, because it was going to close
the show at ten after ten, you know, after the
run off. I mean, even that was predictable. So I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Man, well, I mean I understand that, and and and again,
it's it's one of those things where it is it
is a personal preference sort of thing where if you
if you like this kind of stuff, and you you
you under if and a lot of the problem is,
and they said it on the broadcast, and some people

(51:50):
still don't get what the hell they're doing and what
Max is after they just think they just aren't paying
attention to what's been said, because he's outlined it dozens
of time, but they just can't put two and two together,
and that takes away from it. A lot. People are
just thinking, well, they're just being bullies. That's not what
it's about.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing, and I agree
with you, but I'm going to be you know, AW
fans and wrestling fans are not stupid when it comes
to wrestling, especially, and when they first started this death
Writers thing, I didn't know what was going on, and

(52:31):
then it got to a point where I didn't care,
and I still don't. So that's the point. You've got
to make people care about your stories. Now. I know
from being on the aw fan up sebreddit and on
the Wrestling Hub and then on Discord and on the
aw fan of Blue Sky that there are people that
are totally invested in the death Writers. I am not

(52:55):
belittling them at all. Alls I'm stating is my personal opinion.
I don't care what they're about. They've done nothing for me.
For me, if they've done something for twenty people and
I'm just a lone wolf.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Out you know, well, And the thing is, the thing
is it also has to from my point of view
and hearing you talk about it, I think it has
some of the fact that Orange Cassidy is involved and
it is something that is distracting for you because of
the as we always you always talk about how he's

(53:33):
been in so many matches and he gets to the
point where it's like, you know, where it becomes redundant.
That to me, when I when I hear people say that,
you know that that could be part of it too.
They're not having they're not in the right, the the
the stories, not in the section where they're they're into

(53:56):
it because the wrong. They're not into the people that
are involved in it.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you feel, but
I would very much would have liked to have seen
at World's End Jay White versus John Moxley, Hangman Adham
Paige versus John Moxley. I don't really want to see
him poor way, I'm sorry, and that's what's detracting for it.

(54:22):
And if it was somebody else early on there was
a rumor that Christian Cage was going to be in
this Square Way instead of Orange Cassidy. Okay, they thought
there was reports that Christian Cage was going to be
in this instead of Orange Cassidy. I still at that
point would not have any interest in it because it
just doesn't right. I don't care about the story with

(54:47):
the death writers, and I don't like four way matches.
I'm sorry, Dinasay. If you think about women's wrestling on paper,
you've got Willow Nightingale, You've got Persephone from CMLL, You've
got Athena from Ring of Honor, and then you've got

(55:08):
somebody who hasn't been determined yet from stardom in a
four way match, and the winner of that fourway match
gets to choose their title match against any for any
title in any of the four promotions, whether you start

(55:28):
of Honor, a W or CML. I don't care about
this match. It's a four way match. It's gonna be stupid.
I just have never I won't say that it is extremely,
extremely rare that I have seen a trios match or
a multi man or multi woman match that I've enjoyed

(55:50):
even the slightest bit because it's just a bunch of
standing around. It doesn't make any sense. It's like an
insult to any intelligent person. It's just it's a they're
stupid matches. And yes, I am one of the proponents,
and I said it before, I said it this week
is a matter of fact, take the trios titles and

(56:14):
get rid of them. There's no room for them in
the aw they don't do anything with them anyway. So
it's just meant this is the way for people to
look good, to have a belt or strapped across their shoulder,
you know during it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah, well, you know. And and again it's it's everybody's
got their preference. And I get why they have the
trios titles, and I get why they have so many
multi man matches. Is it's the way to get more
people on the shows. When you have such a large roster,
you gotta find them somewhere to put him. And that's
what Tony's doing it for. Yeah, that's really that's really

(56:56):
the only thing that I can figure that he does
it that way.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
I just really want to see somebody different come in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Well, and and then, like I said, if if what
we think is going to happen with rated FTR at
the beginning of the at the first because the the
other thing about the the Fight for the fall and
that we haven't talked about really and didn't mention is
it's the first simulcast with Max. So it's gonna be

(57:25):
a big card.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Right, It's gonna be a big card. But here's my thing, Right,
the best shows that Dynamitus has had, in my opinion,
and when the cards generally don't have a lot of
title matches in them, but the matches in the in

(57:48):
and of themselves are kind of unpredictable, right, you know
what I'm saying, Like Jamie Hayter and Julia Hart get
that matchup fight for the Fallen, and then let's say
Mariah May and thunder Rosa have a matchup fight for
the Falling. It's gonna be extremely, extremely, extremely unlikely that

(58:20):
thunder Ross is gonna beat Mariah May.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Right, well, and would I would? I can give you
some reasons why she would.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
But but would you agree that it's probably eighty five
percent chance of Maria Bay is going to win that?
Bad about simply it's Mariah May, He's a champion, thunder
Ross is not a champion, and Tony Storm and Mina
sherk Cower waiting waiting in the wings.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Well, and for me, I mean one of the reasons
why I could see them putting the title back on
her if but it's too it's too early in the
story because yeah, but let me okay, let me finish.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Then look at Jamie Hayter and Julia Hart who's winning
that match.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
That's don't have a clue exactly right, Oh yeah, I mean,
I mean I understand completely what you're talking about because
I always complain to my son about it, and my
son watches wrestling as much or more than I do,
because he watches every new japan thing. He watches r
O H all the time. He watches There's sometimes where
I'll miss the show for a w because of my sleeping,

(59:37):
my health, my health and my sleep and keep me
from watching them all sometimes. But you know, he always
teld me, well, ninety percent of wrestling is unpredictable. Well,
I get that, but you know you.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Wrestling is unpredictable.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah, ninety wrestling is unpredictable, and it truly is. Because
he's going I kind of agree to ten ten agree
with him because there's a lot of times where you
know what's gonna happen on the show, and it's just
because that's how wrestling is. I mean, we knew going
You knew going in tonight that the death Writers are
gonna win that match. Regardless of what happened. You knew

(01:00:14):
it was gonna be the Death Riters. We're gonna win
it because you knew they're setting it up for the
Basically it's it's the story of the Death Writers, but
it's also the story of Hangman versus Jay White. That's
you know, so they're going to do the death Writers' story,
but at the outside, from the other side of it,
you're gonna come out ahead at this with a continuation

(01:00:36):
of the Jay White Hangman story, which is gonna be
great because that way that story doesn't die. But it
also involves two upper card people in a story that
people some people were finding it stagnating, but that match
was predictable.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
You can say the same thing with uh, like the
Beast Mortis match tonight, you kind of figured out that
between him and Commander, those are the two take the
hits in this year, see two, right, they're gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Win for the sake of argument, right, right, I know
this match has happened before, right, and this is just
my point, this is my point of view. For the
sake of argument, Let's just say it that Beast Mortos
and Commander were in the same league, okay, which means, say,

(01:01:29):
next week they're taking on each other.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
I Now you know that neither of them are champions
and neither of them are going to go to the
finals at World right, right, But damn it, I want
to see that match more than I wanted to see
Oorts Cassidy and John Moxley.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Well yeah, I get that, But but what I'm saying,
what my son was saying, and what I agreed with,
is when it comes to wrestling, you're going to have
less unpredictability. Then you are going to have stuff you
know is going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
But you knew that Maria May was going to win
that match tonight. You knew that that Beast Mortis was
probably gonna lose, and the only thing that was unpredictable was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
The stuff that was Mariah made it and have a match.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And now you're right, Mercedes, Never mind.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Mercedes, Okay, I think that again, the storytelling in that
match kind of gave you a little bit of a
glimmer of hope that it was possible that they may
pull a swerve. They didn't, but I enjoyed the storyteller storytelling.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
I watched sort of the Orange Cassidy versus Job Mosley match,
okay from full gear. My point is is that there
wasn't anybody on the podcast team that even gave Orange
Cassidy a hope of winning that match. Now, when the

(01:03:03):
bell rang, Orange Cassidy came out and hit John Moxley
with two or three Orange punches and so, oh wait
a minute, Orange Cassidy, he may do well in this match,
then Orange. Then John Moxley got his hands on Orange Cassidy.
And from the time that John Moxley got his hands

(01:03:24):
on Orange Cassidy, John Moxley beat the ever living crap
out of joint Orange Cassidy that entire match. And I
am sorry, we all knew that Orange Cassidy was gonna lose.
Not only did he lose, he got the absolute crap
beat out of him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
The only chance that he had is when he tried
to do a fruit roll up, and I can hear
net in my dreams saying if you would dismatch with
the damn fruit roll up? You know, I think had
you got somebody like I don't know, as I said
earlier Commander Beast Mortos that they were to fight each

(01:04:04):
other in a in a match. It really didn't mean
much but pro pride or whatnot, Right, I want to
see that match.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Well, we had talked about we had talked about the
other night. I think we talked about it. Somebody had
mentioned it either last week or this week where you know,
last year they had a match on the World's End
where the participants from each group that did not make
the finals.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Okay, so it was a bullshit match, right, And I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Now I get why they did it and and you'll
probably hopefully they don't do it again this year, but
they probably.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
I was going to bring it up, They're definitely going
to do this year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
But it was also someone was saying that, you know, uh, Orange,
Orange is the weird picture into this battle because he
you know, there's there's the fact that it's a four way,
but Orange has already had his title shot, and you
know for a fact that if this match goes away,
it goes that that that Page and Uh White are

(01:05:08):
going to take each other out to further their feud,
and Orange is gonna eat the pin again. And if
somebody I think yesterday and it wasn't, it wasn't. I
can't remember who it was said that what would happen
if before and then like in the pre show or whatever,
that Orange it's the crap beat out of him and
they replace him with Darby for the four ways.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
I don't think they do that because the reason I
don't think that they would do that barring something like
Orange or anybody else that would have to be replaced
as legitimately injured and unable to to actually do the match.
When you're looking at buys for the pay per view,
there are people that are going to buy the pay
per view. I don't know why the Orange cassidy in

(01:05:56):
this four way match, you know what I mean? You don't.
You don't take the rug out. You can't. You can't
do that. You know, uh, you can't do that. So
I if it happened, it would have to happen like
Dynamite next week, where you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Know, well and that could happen too, but you know
that would be your unpredictability, that one thing that would
be unpredictable is no one would have saw that coming.
And it was just something I don't remember who it was,
but someone I think it might have been Max had said,
you know, Darby doesn't have a match, and would it
be interesting if he was inserted into that match instead

(01:06:37):
of Orange? And you know, I get what you're saying,
but I kind of understand the other way too, and
what you're saying, let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Let me ask you two questions. Okay, I'm sure you'll
be able to answer. I'm gonna ask you three questions. Okay,
all right, I'm sure you'll be able to answer. The
first question. Last year's Continental Classic? Who won it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Eddie Kingston?

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Right, that's the easy question. Who did he beat? I
can't remember?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
I can't remember it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Now, we know that we had everybody that law did
not make the final in in a tag match, you know,
a multi man match, right, name either one of the
two teams, and name you who got who wont, which
team won, and who took the pin and who got
the pin?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
It doesn't matter, right, Well, you're asking the wrong for that,
because my brain doesn't my memory doesn't work like that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Anybody here without looking it up. I guarantee you they
were able to tell me. And I know who he beat?
Who Orange, who Eddie kinks to beat? I don't care, right,
you know, because last year we all knew that Eddie

(01:08:03):
Kingston was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Going to win.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I mean, there was no if eds or butts, there
was no mystery about it at all, you know. Yeah,
it was was blatantly obvious as the nose on everyone's
face that Eddie Kingston was going to win the Confine
Continent the Classic last year. And you know what I
feel about Eddie Kingston. But when you telegraph it that badly,
it could have been at JFF. It could have been Moxley,

(01:08:25):
it could have been Claudio, it could have been Adam Cole,
it could have been Julia Hart for ally, care, would
you telegraph it that badly? It's hard to stay interested
in it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Oh yeah, And that's the major difference this year. Although
I've heard some people saying they don't have interesting I
know you had mentioned that this isn't really that interesting
to you, and I've seen other people saying how they
don't really have an interest in it this year because
it just feels different. And it does because it's not
the first year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
And the reason why, let me explain my point of
view on this. Okay, I am enjoying the matches, don't
get me wrong, But because Eddie Kingston won the championship
last year, I have no interest in the Continental Classic.

(01:09:17):
Why is that? Because I do believe that the Continental
title and the International title should be combined, because there's
no difference whatsoever between those two titles, and because Eddie
Kingston won it last year and it was done in
such a way that it was just blatantly obvious, the

(01:09:40):
Continental title doesn't mean anything to me. I mean it
really doesn't. You know, Eddie Kingston walking around with the
what did he have?

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
He had?

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
The Continental title meant nothing. He walked around with the
ROH World title, That title meant nothing. He walked around
with the IWGP strong open weight title, that title made nothing,
meant nothing. It was so obvious, I mean that he
was going to take all three of those titles. You know,
it was insulting to an intelligent human being. And I'm

(01:10:12):
not the smartest human being on the planet, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I Mean, one of the things I like about this
year is the the was it the Blue is the
Blue League there's there are four people tied at six
points with two matches left.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Well, I said since early on, and that when you
look at both leagues, we know that it's pretty obvious
that Will Ospray and Kyle Fletcher are going to be
in the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I think be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
No, I mean, in this, my father, they're gonna be
one of the four. I consider the four four going
to World's End as the finals. So let me explain
to me it's obvious that Will Osprey and Kyle Fletcher
gonna be at World's End in this in the finals
of this tournament. So is cousin Kazuk Akada. Right, I

(01:11:11):
have no idea who the third fourth person is. It
looks like it's gonna be Claudio Castic Gnoli, but it
could be Derby, It could be Derby, and it could
be who's the other one, Oh Shelton. Yeah, I mean
I think it's ultimately come down to Okada versus Osprey

(01:11:34):
in the final.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Right, I agree, And I think I think I think
your first say was Okada. I think with Okada, I
think it makes sense that it be Claudio because they
have a history and at the way it would run out,
is Claudia would win the Blue, Ospray finished second, Okada
win it finishes second in the Gold. And because it's

(01:11:58):
gonna be hard to beat Fletcher, he's all already got
twelve points, would like a match to go, So one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Of the matches is going to probably it's gonna be
Okada versus My prediction is Ocana versus castagli Yeh the
first match in the in the of the four of
the final four, and Fletcher versus Osprey in the other
match in the final four to come down the Osprey
versus Okada and Ocado is going to retain because the

(01:12:25):
only reason I say that is because Osprey has proven
to be the single least selfish wrestler on any professional
wrestling roster. He will, he works his ass off, but
ultimately he has he just seems to be one of
those guys that he doesn't care about belts. He cares

(01:12:47):
about putting people over and having good matches, and he'll
do a job when he when he's asked to do
a job, and he doesn't strike me as somebody that
has a problem doing that. Kudos to Will.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
And another reason why he will probably lose that match
is because he's already told Derby that he will back
him up against the Death Riders. So you have another
possibility of someone getting involved with that with that story,
and that would be a huge step up for the
death Riders to get will lost prey involved in that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Yeah, well I believe that that Darby said that he
was going to climb Mount at Rest jump off a
cliff in April.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Oh god, I don't think. I don't think he realizes
the the the length of time that it is going
to be involved in that, because it's not where you
can just go and climb Mount Everest in a few days,
in a few weeks and be done. When you get
to the top where you get to go to the
final push to the top, there's a queue that is
so long there are people that are waiting there months

(01:13:57):
at a time. I don't think he's realized that. Oh yeah, yeah,
you don't. There's there's a queue. Look it up if
you want to, like Google or whatever. But when you
get to the like the last station.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
That makes sense you day, when you get to the top,
they'll be like, Okay, plant your flag. Because he said
that he was at a plant at a w flag.
Plant your flag and let's get the hell out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
It's done in stages in the final base camp. The
final camp before you make the ascent to the top
has the queue that is so long that people literally
wait there for weeks and weeks and weeks before they
get to do the ascent, the final ascent. It's not

(01:14:39):
I don't think Derby knows that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
I'm sure he does.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
I always thought you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Could just do it regardless. I mean, look, I don't
even climb a ladder to change a light bulb, so
you know, I don't like more. I may do that,
but there's quite the queue. There's quite wait time, all wait,
all wait till all the other light bulbs of the
house and our little burnout. You know, that could take years.

(01:15:09):
But anyway, well that was a really good conversation. Thank you,
sutton Yep, we will be back. God, I don't know
when because unfortunately Tuesday night where we usually do ignition
next week is Christmas Eve, right Wednesday night, when we
usually do all the talk is Christmas Night, and the

(01:15:38):
following week we had run in the same problem because
Tuesday is New Year's Eve and Wednesday is New Year's
Day or New Year's Night, so we don't know. We
may do an earlier version of Ignition earlier in the
week next week. We haven't discussed that as a podcast team,

(01:16:01):
and we will figure out what we're gonna do. But
there is a chance that we may not see you
again on a podcast for aw fan ub until after
until Faith of the Fallen. You know, maybe after Faith
of the Fallen. Uh, it may be the week after.

(01:16:23):
You may not hear from us until the first week
the end of the first week in January, which would
which would be kind of weird. But yeah, it's just
a way to holiday spell And guess what, real life
and families come first, everybody. We're not gonna we don't
make any money off these podcasts. We do this strictly

(01:16:43):
for fun and the love of the of AWO and
frankly professional wrestling as a whole. And uh, I don't
like saying asshole because it makes it sound like I'm
saying asshole, but uh hey, we'll be back when we
get back and until then, if we don't hear from you,

(01:17:04):
have a happy Honukah. As MGF said tonight, have a
merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year everybody. If you
celebrating any of the holidays, if you don't, just goodwill,
just goodwill to all. That's all that needs to be said.
So for Elf Sutton, this is Kelson for the aw

(01:17:27):
Fan podcast team.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Good Night everybody, Good night guys, Happy holidays,
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