AEW Dynamite Review | Winter is Coming!

On the Winter is Coming episode of AEW Dynamite, we saw the continuation of the Continental Classic, Jon Moxley issue a major challenge for World's End, and the return of one of AEW's biggest stars. So, what did the AEW Fan Hub podcast team think of the show? Listen in and find out!

Let us know what you thought of the show in the comments, and visit us on the AEW Fan Hub subreddit to join in on all of our geat discussions.

Also, don't forget that AEW Fan Hub's Shane D. will be conducting a LIVE, interactive interview on Thursday, December 12 with AEW's Dr. David Reiss M.D. Join us at the Special Event channel at 3pm eastern on The Wrestling Hub Discord

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's Wednesday. You know what that means. It's time for
all the talk with the aw fanom podcast team Don't
forget tomorrow, which is Thursday, December twelfth, at noon Pacific
time three pm Eastern Time on our discord and the
link to our discord will be in the description of
this podcast. In the special event channel, our very own

(00:27):
Shane Dean will be I called you Shane Dean again,
didn't I. Shane d is going to be interviewing doctor
David Reese from the aw FANO Psych Team, Doctor David Reese,
so please join us for that. We're doing an interactive
kind of thing. It's gonna be great. I think it'll

(00:48):
be a lot of fun. Anyway, we're gonna talk about
guess what, guys, Winter is here officially because a w said,
so just saw Winter's coming a W Dynamite edition. We're
gonna talk about it, and I know Rawlins you wanted
to bring up our first match, so go ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I when I saw that this match was made official, Telson,
I know you weren't as thrilled a bat, but it
peaked my interest when they made it official. For last week,
Orange Cassie and Switchway J White against John Moxley and Pack,
which every time Pack comes to the ring, he's always

(01:35):
in his rig gear. It is hilarious. Whether it's for
an actual match or it's just to cut a promo,
He's always in his ring gear, so he's rawlins.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
He's always have you seen him in Church?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I just want to give a quick shout out
to Pack for that. I love that about his character.
But this match was I personally enjoyed it. Going into it,
I predicted something big was going to happen. Maybe I
was setting myself up for disappointment, but no, this was

(02:16):
like you got the interaction between Moxley and Orange Cassie.
You got interactions between Pack and Jay White, which that
singles match was fantastic last week. And you've got interactions
between Pack and John Moxley. That's the singles for you
that I'd like to see down the line. You got
bits and pieces of different things you wanted to see,

(02:39):
and you didn't get a proper finish, which I think
was the right call because Hangman comes in and just
says screw this right when Moxley was staggered. That was
the best part of it. It looked like Orange Casside
was actually gonna finish this, and Hangman just says, screw you,

(03:00):
I'm taking this into my own hands, and then Moxley
cuts a promo layer Beato four Way is official Moxley Orange, Cassidy,
J White, Hangman for the AAW World Championship at World's End.
I loved this tag team match. It game just so

(03:23):
much pieces and parts. It was awesome. I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, yeah, Rollins, I got a piggyback off of that man.
The exposition for this match was fantastic, and the match itself,
I mean, my god, Jay White. Let's just start with
Jay White. But if he had an opportunity to show
out this evening, show out and prove his worth on
the AW roster, He's sure as hell did it this evening.
Now instead of me going on one of my historic

(03:51):
tangents and digging into history and this and this and that, like,
I'm gonna just ask the group. I don't need to
go orrive, no one has anything any input on this.
I just want to ask the group at this Fatal
four Way, Who's who's everyone got a bid on? Who
realistically do you guys think is going to take the
a W World Championship from this four way.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
At world's end, it's gonna stay on. Go ahead, it's
gonna stay on. Marx being in the fatal four way,
I don't think it's gonna have a clean ending. You have,
you have the since Claudia by that time will probably
be the the C two will be over or soon

(04:33):
to be over, so we're I assume that this match
will be the finale. So you know, uh, I just
I just don't see them. It's too early for Marks
to lose the title.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, you know, we've said the same thing about Danielson,
though Danielson held had one of the shortest title reigns
in a W history. His choice, that was his choice,
but this could be Max's choice. Mox is a guy that, uh, well,
we are fortunate to have Mox in a W because
he's one of those guys that lives and breathes the

(05:09):
k FA aspect of the franchise. I mean like he
could very well say this is what's best for story
continuity and drop it to one of the other three. Unfortunately, personally,
I believe Hangman, it's a low low end of the
total pole there. I would roll out Hangman completely. I
think that he's going back to swerve Ston. I see

(05:30):
what you're saying. I don't I love Mox, I really do.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
It's not even really about it still being it Mocks.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
It's just the way the story is going. It's too
it's not played out enough. Honestly, they went to the
first pay per view and then he turned it up
in nots and this one's building up to a different level.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
But I still don't feel that it's at the top
level that this storyline is going to be at.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, let me pitch a different let me pitch a
different idea. Okay, And I hate to use this as
a point of reference, but there was a period in
time in which the WCW World Championship bounced around a
whole bunch in a very short period of time. It
built takes an exposition on a bigger story that led
into something with the nWo that you know, obviously turned
into a shit show, but people still tuned in. Like,

(06:19):
if this title were to bounce around a little bit,
don't you think that might give Mocks a reason to
escalate the death writer's behavior, like to definally go full
avant garde revolution and just try to dunk on anyone
trying to do anything.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
It very well could. Sorry for answering your question. I
know you directed that towards Sutton, but Sutton, what I
will say in response to what you were saying is
what I really like about this Fatal four way is
I feel like you could justify giving the World Championship

(06:57):
to any of these four. Like there's a orange Cassidy
could win this championship, Like he wants to cut the
hell head off the snake and you know, kind of
be the guy carrying the torch. He's kind of taking
on that leadership role a little bit. But you got

(07:19):
hangman in Jay White and kind of want to do
it for their own selfish reasons. And then Moxley wants
to continue being this power player, almost the kingpin of
aw if you will, so, I feel like you could
make a justification for any of the four winning the

(07:39):
World championship. And that's what I like about it is
there's real jeopardy in this. Sometimes I think the problem
is when you go to a title defense too quickly,
it's like, Okay, there's no way Champion XYZ is losing
their title, like it's it's their first title defense. They

(08:02):
just want it whatever. Like I feel like that element
is kind of taken out with this big of four way.
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
The problem is if if if the way the story's
being told, the title is the power. So if Max
loses the title, then the power, then his whole, the
whole storyline falls apart. I know what you're talking about
with the WCW stuff, and it did for a little
while balance around, but I just don't think it's the

(08:36):
same situation here. I mean, you could, like Rollin said,
you could drop this to anybody in this match, but.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
I think if you're going to end this.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Right, it's a one on one warfare, it's it's it's
Max versus somebody tagging up or having teams to beat
the living crap out of each other for a month
or two, and then it ends up a pay per
view probably either not it not it uh not the
first one of the year, but probably the second one.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
I can't remember the names of all of them, but
think and then Revolution and then what I.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Think it's is it.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I think Grand Slam is so even though it's on
the paper, I think Grand Slam comes up.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, it'll be Grand Slam, and.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
It could be done at Grand Slam. I mean, by
by that time, you're three, you're two months in to.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
The Max deal and you're on you're simulcasting on both
and hopefully you'll be you would have that would be
like one of those marquee matches on live TV. That
is a that that Tony loves to do occasionally. And
I don't know it just to me, it just doesn't
feel like it's time yet.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Just just to give clarification, Uh, Jericho's Crew Rus is
considered to be an aw event and that's January thirty. First,
you got Grand Slam Australia February fifteenth, Revolution March ninth,
and all in.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
You either go to Grand Slam or the next one.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
That's the only thing that makes any sense. It doesn't
make sense to do it this early. Like I said,
I don't think I personally don't think this is going
to end well for the three involved with Max. I
think that Orange is going to take the biggest ass kicking.
I don't put him, I don't put him above Hangman.
If I was going to pecking order, if I was

(10:38):
to choose a pecking order between the three combatants that
are going against him.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
I would be j White Hangman and Orange if they.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Were to drop it, because I love Orange Cassidy, but
he already had that chance to win the title and lost.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
And I don't see them putting it on.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Him, even if you know, in this way, even if
it's in this way, unless there's some kind of injuries
that happened, I don't see Orange winning the title.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
You know how many times have they put Orange Cassidy
in programs with World champions where he's fizzled out like
a bad fart. I'm sorry. I think he's wildly talented.
I love how he's developed his character, but he's been
used as enhancement talent the entire time. He's been aw
behind the facade that oh good. What if he's a

(11:27):
you know, gimmick wrestler, like get out of here, dude.
He's not. He has natural talent, but I don't just
don't know if Tony Khan knows were to place his
niche in the ethos of AW. I agree with you, completely, sudden, completely.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Honestly, I think I think that's Orange's choice. I don't
think Orange wants to have the world title. I think
he's happen doing what he does because even though he's
not in the title hunt all the time, he's still
one of the core people that are there to try
to build and just keep building on aw that's the

(12:02):
way I think it is. I think it's all on
Orange and he's just like listen, I don't need the title.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
I can bring the fan I got. The fans love me,
they want me here.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
They I do this for us, and this is what
I do because he wrestles all the time. You know,
we complained about it all the time, how much they wrestle.
But there's a reason for that. The poppy got tonight
was incredible.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
I mean it's change and sudden.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I think that's part of the reason why he got
the first title shot against Moxley at full gear, not
just because of their history, but because of what you
were just saying. And I think that's why he continues
to be in the world title picture. Like you said,
he's probably not gonna win the championship in this match.

(12:46):
I wouldn't picked him. My pick would be either Moxley
or Jay White. But Orrin is gonna have a fantastic
showing like we've seen him. When you doubt him him,
he turns it up to another level. So while he's
not gonna win, he's gonna have a good showing and

(13:09):
there's probably gonna be a near fral or two that
he gets where you're like, oh, could this be it
where he actually wins it?

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I mean, what would be the reaction to Creative actually
pulling the trigger on putting the title on him? Though?
I mean the way these four guys again and we're
after this, We're gonna move on unless anyone else else
has anything else to say, But these four guys I'll
have a serious stake in the future of the aw
World Championship. It arguably you could make a convincing argument

(13:40):
for any of them holding it. Anyone that could interfere that,
any any reason for them to not retain or claim
I mean, or reclaim because half these guys have already
had it. I mean, this is definitely like a hard
ball to call. Now, Max being the obvious top of
that pinnacle just suddenly.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
The last thing I'll say on that, the last thing
I'll say on this is I feel like it could
play out like what we saw at Wressell Maya thirty nine,
where in that match it was Seamus and Drew just
kind of going at each other, which allowed Gunther to retain.
Could this be a scenario where Jay White and Hangman

(14:28):
just go straight for each other because of how much
they've been going at it and that's what allows Mos
to just kind of single out Orange Cassidy and no
retain his title that way. I think that's impossible out
way this goes. I really do.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Brother Jay White is the only outlier in this match.
He is the new He's the freshest member of this dispute.
You know, Hangman has beef with Mocks and technically Orange
or Orange has beef with all of them except j White.
J White has beef with Christian. Like, the only reason
j White is placed into this category is because he's

(15:09):
made a stake at the aw World Championship and has
a history with Hangman, whom he has beaten like literally
ninety percent of the time.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
That's the very best. But that's why I'm saying though.
That's what I'm saying though, is like Hangman's I feel
like Hangman could be so focused on j White he
loses sight of actually trying to win the match.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I think they've already shown that Hangman is going to
be focused on Mox. Orange is going to be focused
on Mox, which means we're going to get a serious
spot and either j White or Hangman's going to be
out or one of them is going to eat a
pin from Mox. I agree with sudden like I firmly

(15:51):
believe that that the endgame here might be mox Kelson.
What do you think, dude?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay, So we saw the continuation at a Death Writer's store,
we saw the setup of the well, of course we
saw the match. We saw the setup of the four
way at World's End, but we didn't talk about the
absolute positively. In my opinion, the most entertating part of
this match, which was Christian cage because everything else was

(16:18):
totally awful. To me, the match stunk. It was telegraphed
the Death Writers. I said last week it was the
first time that I actually enjoyed the Death Writers. They
did something a little bit different. This was totally predictable.
It was awful from beginning to end. And I have
said it so many times in the past. I do

(16:41):
not like multiman matches, especially for a championship. This match
at World's End is dog shit period. In my opinion, Now,
others may like it, and that's up to them. I'm
just saying, as far as I'm concerned, I have no
interest at all in the Death Writers. I have no

(17:02):
interest in this match. I have no interest right now
in the AW World Championship, plain and simple. They regressed tonight.
It was totally totally predictable, totally predictable. It followed a
script that was blatantly obvious. However, Christian Cage being in

(17:26):
the stands and who knew that Hook would be better
than the match? And what happened with that whole thing
in the first twenty thirty minutes. It was thirty minutes
of the show and Hook and Christian Cage totally out
shown the Death Writers, Orage Cassidy hang Man, Adam Page,
Jay White, John Boxley, whatever. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

(17:51):
I was more invested in a simple I don't know
how to put it. It was almost like a best
backstage big bignette, but it wasn't. It was in the
arena where everybody could see it. But it was executed
really well. I have to give AW props for that. So,

(18:13):
I mean, that's just my opinion. I mean to answer
Shane's question, who do you think's got the upper hand
at World's end on in the four way. I don't
care you're a mean one, miss, I'm just I'm just hey.
Even the bandido thing was better than.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
The bandido thing was sweet dude.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'm saying, when you have you remember they had the match,
and then of course whatever happened after the match, and
then they did the bandido thing. Then they did the
Christian Cage thing. Yeah, Christian Cage was out there during
the match the first match, but there was a break
and banddo and then Christian Cage be and Christian Cage

(19:02):
kicked those four assholes in the rings match, plain and
simpl That's the way I look at it. They totally
destroyed it.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well no, well, first you had the Moxley promo, then
it was Christian Cage.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah. Well, I'm just saying, but the Boxley promo. Go
back seven weeks and tell me what's the difference between
that promo and every promo leading up to that one.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
They're agenda, Yes, I think.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
My problem is My problem with it is that still
when you think that you figured out what the agenda is,
you're kind of like, no, that's not really it. I
don't know what the agenda is, and I think that's
what is and it's getting to the point where I
don't really care what the agenda is. I want it

(19:58):
to be over.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
And I but I think that's part of the mystery
of it that I'm personally.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Wanted wanted to wanting it to be over as part
of the mystery of it. I want to go to
the death writer's story so much right now, it's boring.
I'm sorry, that's what my feeling is. That is my opinion.
I respect yours, but I mean, it's like the worst
part of the show was the opening thirty minutes of

(20:26):
the show.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I respect your opinion. I like that, Yes, they're pushing
the same agenda, but we don't totally know what that
agenda is. I like that mystery and trying to figure
it out and being like, this is their agenda. And
then ox cut.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Let me interrupt you here. By your own admission, you
have not been watching Dynamites and Collisions because you've been
doing other things. Okay, you know, working and whatnot. I
have been watching Dynamite and Collision, so I have had
the misfortune of seeing the same crap every week for
weeks and that's it. I've gotten to the point now

(21:07):
where it's I've said this many times before, should or
get off the pot. They have screwed this up so
bad in my opinion. Again, I'm just gonna keep saying
it's in my opinion, I don't want to see a
four way I ded at world's end. To me, the
World Championship is completely meaningless in AAW right now. The

(21:27):
Continental Classic is far more meaningful than the World Championship.
I kind of agree with Kelson actually a lot of it.
I mean, they're making a big deal out of the
Continental Classic. They're not doing crap anything new at all
for the World Championship, plain and simple. That's it. Yeah,

(21:52):
the World Championship is a second class championship at AAW
right now.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the point. They don't want to. They
don't want to. They want the Continental Classic to be
the main event. That's what they're doing. That's why they're
not putting a big deal on the on the Championship
right now, because if you do that, you take away
from the Continental Classic.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
I said this a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Bad timing. This is horrible timing to be doing this. Sure,
the whole thing with Max and them at the same
time you're trying to do your biggest tournament of the year.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Makes absolutely no sense.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
But go on social media, Sudden, go on aw fan Hub,
go on Twitter, go on Blue Sky, go on the
other subreddits, go on our discord. Who's talking about the
Death Writers.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Nobody, no, nobody.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Is that that's what That's what I'm saying. They're talking
about the Continental Classic because that's what they want them
to talk about. They don't want to overshadow it with
this other stuff. They want the top They want this
to be top billing, and that's why it's being done
the way it's being done.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I understand the Continental Classic
and I said the same thing they are. That is
the main focus. But what I'm saying is that people
are talking about Ricochet and Brody King. You know again,
that was a Continental Classic match. They're talking about Adam
cole and and Kyle O'Reilly. They're talking about me to share,

(23:24):
Kyla and Mariah A. There's not a go find me
something that says the Death Writers. You're not going to
find one. Somebody's caring.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
You'll hear about Claudio and Osprey, which is what we
should probably segue to. Yes, yeah, I mean Claudio and
Osprey was probably the match of the evening. It was fantastic,
well telegraphed, well scripted that those guys put on a banger.
It was a very good match.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Have you noticed that the story was that with Kyle
Fletcher and Will Ospray is that Kyle Fletcher was kind
of emulating Will Osprey. I mean that's the that was
the story. Did you notice that will Osprey is now
stolen Kyle Fletcher's old haircut?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Did you notice that he said taz ri ip vincent
on his hands for so long? Did you notice that
Excalibur called Will Ospirey Yes, Kyle Fletcher three times?

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Yes, I.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Come in.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, cal Or Shane, I said something in our other
discord server. I'm like, is he just me? Or does
Osprey have a new look tonight in some way out
it's the same look he had at Full Gear, which
unfortunately I didn't get to watch. I'll go back and
watch it once it becomes available on Max. Don't you worry.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
But he hasn't.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
He has a new name, Rollins. And the real question
is does this mean he has a new girlfriend too.
I wonder what's gott lose up to? Wait too soon?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
No, yeah, a little too soon. But actually, as much
as I enjoyed the match, what I actually really liked
was what they did postmatch, where they had Claudio delivered
the neutralizer on Osprey. Darby comes out and it's like Darby,

(25:26):
I think one to kind of protect Osprey because they
have their C two match next week. But Darby also
has beef with Claudia, so that's an interesting dynamic. I
like it.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I'm gonna talk shit. Uh, Claudio and Darby both brought
broke the rules of C two. It's supposed to be
the match.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
Was over, match was over. Once the match is over,
that the rules are gone.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Bro be honorable though, bro like, but you.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Know, it comes down to if you if you follow
the rules to the letter, it's it's before it's own.
They can bring somebody to the ring, but they have
to leave before the bell sounds. Then there's the bell sounds,
the rules are in effect, and as soon as the
bell sounds for the end of the match, the.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Rules are over.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
It's back to normal rules. That's why they get away
with that. I mean, hell, you had Don Kallis. He's
had Don Kallis sitting at the desk that's still ringside.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
What's old is gonna do. He's a commentator at this point.
I mean, like, yeah, but I mean he.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Shouting Benjamin it's acuracy. Yeah, Don Cow's got directly involved
in that match with between.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
He didn't get involved.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
He stood there, he didn't do anything. But it's it's
it's just you know how it goes. They're gonna do
what they want to do. But like after that, I'm mean,
I don't think it had anything to do with Derby
trying to protect Osprey.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
He just wants to stand on Claudia play simple.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Don Callous and Jerry Liam have something in common. They're
lacking in beautiful flowing locks. I bet they missed the nineties.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Somebody didn't he say he used to have long hair.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
He did, Callous down his damn shoulders.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I know.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Anyway, the magic awesome.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
The match itself was awesome.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
It was I mean, it was a great match.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
The way they were able to just counter each other
was that was my personal favorite part of the match.
The way they were just able to counter each other's
moves was like, oh, you're trying. Not No, I'm gonna
wind up you by doing this. Oh you're trying not No,
I'm gonna not gonna allow you to do that, and
I'm gonna hate you with this instead.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Why I think Claudia will be a champion one day,
He'll have the world title one day, because he's somebody
you can count on.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
That's one of the reasons I like him so much.
He goes out there.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Every time he's in the ring, he will put on
a hell of a match no matter who he faces.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Gotta play Devil's advocate on them. Gotta play devil's vocate
advocate advocate on that. My friend. God, wasn't no, I
wasn't even drinking tonight. Shocking, disbelieve you know.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
You're just it's time to straight myself out.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Hold on, I got some vodka. No. The devil's advocate
side of that is like, if you're gonna put a
world title on Claudio, who is gonna be the number
one guy that's coming after him?

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Kings then it's gonna be Eddie Kingston. Give me that title.
I gotta go and pistol like that. I mean, it's
not me. What I'm telling lies believe me.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm telling you this is serious stuff. After what happened
with the Death Riders and what not tonight, I've brained dead.
They can bring out Eddie King sim and have him
fight fight Wendy Richard.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
I'd be like, oh yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
MK in the chat says I can't see Claudio being
World Heavyweight Championship, and Hoan agreed with him. Man, I
can look how convincing he looks right down on the Continental.
I agree with Rollins from last week. He could have
lost this match to sweep the rest of them, and
he might be contender in the endgame. You know they're

(29:30):
not giving him the Jay lethal treatment or excuse me,
the juice Robinson.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, honestly, I could see it being Claudio and Osprey
one two in the gold and Okata and Fletcher as
one two in the other side. And you have Fletcher
and Ospray in one semi and Okada.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
And Claudia and the other.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
You know, Claudia was such a domineering force last year
during C two. I man, I gotta I gotta drink
the kool aid on what Rollin said off the rip.
You know, I as much as I still believe it's
gonna be Osprey and Fletcher. It could very well be
Claudio and he's a very easy to plug in.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I really think that. I when I made that pick,
I really thought they that was a serious direction they
could go, and like, you know, I want to give
the Death Riers as much power as you can, like
give them multiple championships. I think it strengthens the story.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
You have multiple championships, they get the world title in
the world the Trio's title.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, so they.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Already have two titles.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
I just think that with the with Fletcher and Ospray
in one semi, you have a huge story. And then
on the other side, if you got Okada versus Claudio,
that's a rematch of that's a rematch of won some
great matches they had when he first came in.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
They put on a banger last year.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
So I assume it would be I assume it would
be Okata versus Osprey for the final, and that would
be a hell of a match too.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah. Well, I kind of want to move on because
we were going a little long here, and there's something
that I've been wanting to bring up, and probably the
definitely a more interesting discussion topic than the death writers
for me. And that's the fact that a W obviously

(31:51):
sent somebody to the heart of Japan to go to
a anime store and ask the anime store clerk, hey,
do you happened to have uh black life Preserver anime jackets?
And they bought two of them, and they gave him
the Leo Rush and Action Andrettie, what the christ are
they wearing?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
No, no, no, no no. They got him from a
Lady Gaga estate a state.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Tail bro is dead, so it wasn't from that, you know,
I'm just probably do they not realize that they look
absolutely preposterous?

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Well, I think they looked.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I think they look.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
And they were.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Version we go back and watch that interview, that segment backstage,
and I turned the volume up and they were just
whacking each other with the little spikes coming out of
their jackets.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
So it was I was like, John Jesus, those are
mating calls in the wild. Layla Gray was standing right there, I.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Know she was. She was looking like she was not
really buying the whole mating call thing. I'm sorry, there's nothing,
there's really not. So they're gonna have Leo Rush and
Action and Ready against top flight next week, and the

(33:22):
winner of that gainst a shot a private party more
than likely probably world's end. Good for them, that'll be
a good match. There's no way that either of them
are going to beat private parties. So it's kind of
like a weird kind of situation. If you ask me, I.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Don't know about all that. You know, we've discussed this before.
You know, Top Flight has been very convincing. They've they've
put the work in. You know, we could get a
the way you know, you kid, could you consider private
party to be an upset? Had you not known that
the young Bucks were taking time off for Nick Jackson

(34:01):
to heal, Like would you would you not consider that
an upset?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I definitely would.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I would. But I are are either Isaiah or or
Quinn hurt right now that you know of, because unless
they have amputated, there's no way to private partner that
top later or early O rush in Action and Dreddie

(34:30):
are or should win that match well again, to be fit.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
To be fair, to have a tag division, you have
to have your optics on more tag teams than a
set of three of them. And it seems like how
they're telling the stories only focused on you know, Private
Party and these two other parties, the kings of the
Blackfoot throne have been quiet since Brody entered the CEA two.
I mean, it's very probable to believe that, you know,

(34:58):
they could ping pong the tag team titles around, especially
considering that, I mean that just putting the titles on
Private Party in the first place was just making a statement.
The statement's been made, whether they continue to hold them
or not, as inconsequential you I'm gonna say it. Are
you convinced that they could hold these titles for another
three months?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
No? No, I think they'll probably lose them all at
all in honestly, honestly, god, I think that they will
hold them to all in. Look, my whole point is
is that I get the fact that I applaud the
fact that they're trying to get aw is trying to
get more tag teams involved. But the big mistake they

(35:43):
made is having FTR there tonight. And you look at FTR,
like them or hate them. They are top contenders, they
are top guys per se, and they have Private Party,
Top Flight and Leo Rush in Action Andretti, who are
all three much lesser than FTR.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Well, if if we remove ATR from the spectrum. Who's
who's the better tag team? Private Party or top Flight?
It's top Flight straight up.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
For I agree, Private Party is a good act and
they're good wrestlers, But but top Flight are the better
tag team?

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Well, they're the hardy's. I mean, like, you have one
guy that's exponentially more talented than the other one and
I'm sorry for saying it. The other one's wildly talented
and able to perform, but like top Flight both Darius,
both of them are are equally matched an incredible skill.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Well, and the reason the reason FTR is not in
the race right now is they had almost the entire
whole year of competition against the Bucks, and it was
if you had a tag team match for the title,
it was either f TR versus the Bucks. And it
was like that forever. So it's time they took. They
need to be set to side for a while because

(37:11):
they lost, and they need to leather to build the
tag team division up. You've got to bring these other
people in and give FTR some off time.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Let me ask a question because and this may sound ignorant,
but I'm having a brain fart right now. Bandido is
he with it LF.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
He was r O He's an r O h original.
He was there. He was jobbing for a while and
then doing some high spot matches with lower level Lucia
doors On.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I would immediately put Bandido and Rooche together and there's
your tag team tamsus.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
You know, Bandido, Roosh and Ray Phoenix versus Coda Obushi
and the Young Bucks. Happened in our timeline. Yeah, no,
excuse me, Bandido, Bandido, Ray Phoenix and Ray Maistereo. Excuse me.
That was the match versus Code of Boushine the Young
Bucks at at twenty eighteen all out and Ray Mysterio

(38:19):
was dressed up as Wolverine from the Extra.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Oh I remember that.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, holy crap. Bandido should be in the title spectrum
immediately because he is.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Well, they're definitely given them the push.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Hey is his?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, his vignette was. I'm wondering if the same woman
I have to go look it up because she probably
posted about it. The same woman is Duing that has
done the Julia Hart vignettes. I wonder if she's doing
the Bandido vignettes.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Well, if she did, she nailed it to a wall.
Holy crap. That vignette was sweet. I was watching the
good the bad of the Yeah, yeah, I was waiting
for the ecstasy of gold.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Speaking of tag teams, how could we n see anything
with Max Caster and Anthony Bowens and that whole dynamic tonight.
I was expecting some type of follow up.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I believe they are considered collision people there.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Yeah, we got, but we did get that singles match
last week on Dynamite Caster versus Swerve, which.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Was not just saying you're gonna call that a match? Really?

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah, Well that's because Swerve is more of a dynamite
guy than the then, so they're gonna put him. They're
gonna put the better. The better guy is going to
get the spot. So if it's if you're putting a
guy that mostly on collision versus a guy that's mostly
on dynamite, whoever has excuse me, whoever has the more
star power is going to get the title. You get
the place where the match is taking place.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I have to hand that the Max Caster. I don't
know if you guys saw it. I actually posted it too,
uh after the match last week where he got squashed
by swear to Strickland. Max Caster posted a picture on Twitter,
and on the picture it was just Max Caster and
a wide shot of the ring with him laying kind
of in the middle of the ring, flat on his

(40:21):
black back with his legs and arms spread looking like
he was unconscious, and the caption he put on it
was best Wrestler Alive trademark.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I'm surprised. I'm surprised he didn't photoshop a Dunce cap
on himself. That says Tony Kahn's bitch.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Having a sense of you were like that, you know
that'd be to be self depreciating that that. I thought
that was terrific.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
To be honest, I've.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Been joined the story with him and Anthony Bowens and
that whole thing. Like it be that Max cast goes
to the Hurt Syndicate. I mean, Shane the Furon and
I were talking about this in our server and the
Furan was like, no, I don't think either of them

(41:14):
joined the Hurt Syndicate and they team up to take
wit Swerve to take down the Hurt Sydney King.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Negative.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
No, you know who had a card for the Hurt
Syndicate and showed it tonight was Ricochet.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
So yeah, I don't find any of those guys Hurt
Syndicate material, I.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Think Ricochet more than all all of the other people
that are holding.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Yeah, yeah, it would have to be Ricochet, but I mean, hell,
they gave a card to Leo Rush.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Come on, now, wasn't an.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
MVP that said that. Back when they were in w
w EE. He wanted both. I believe it was Ricochet
and Shelton Benjamin in the Hurt business and Vince McMahon
told you can only have one, and he selected Shelton
Benjamin because he thought that Rikoshet had a better chance

(42:05):
of getting more success on his own more than Shelter Benjamin.
So this may be a full circle thing where Rikoshe
does come back a little bit.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
The only thing wrong with that is Shelton was there
way before MVP, and he was having success without MVP,
but he was never put it over the top because
he just didn't fit McMahon's I mean, good Lord, Shelton
did so much in WWE before he got to the
Hurt Syndicate, but he just never got that final push.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
You were gonna say something, Shane, No, Shelton Benjamin is amazing.
I'm surprised he still has his hat on his shoulders.
He took the Superkick of Death.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
The Superkicks Superkicks. We kind of talked, what did you
think about the Kyle O'Reilly and Adam Cole match at
that is expect I kind of expected O'Reilly to win
and for Adam Cole to be the devil in his
own personal hell, never actually getting a shot at MJF.
But I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
No, they got to move. They have to move the
Adam Cole MGF story along. And you know, they kind
of punked out MJF tonight, which kind of looked like
the way they built MJF versus Ward Low. So I'm
disconnected from this. If they're not gonna make MJFF a
final boss, why even have him on the roster? Come on,
that did that? Like, if you're talking about talent on

(43:30):
a in aw that is absolutely raw on, adulterated, untapped talent.
You only plugged into uh MJF for about eight months.
That dude could literally like he's a Roddy Piper, He's
a he's a Jericho. He could carry you for years
and Boston, he could. He could carry this franchise for
years and years and years. And if you're only going

(43:51):
to use him in passing for a former NXT talent
that has been carried by anyone he's ever been in
the wrestling ring with since he was in Ring of Honor.
And I'm going to say that until the day I died.
And it's the only thing I will ever agree with
Matt pat McAfee on Adam Cole sucks. Sucks.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, I'm sorry, like they they missed their opportunity with
this feud. I'm just not interested.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Of course they did. It should have never happened.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
I said this before when the Devil thing happened and
both were hurt, and I should have ended it. They
should never went back to it because by the time
you did.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Nobody cared.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
It was set eight months after it already had happened,
and they started coming back to it.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
What's the point you had MGF.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Going again after Daniel Garcia, which could have been a
huge battle. But the problem with MJF he was hurt
for the longest time and then he's been doing movies,
so he hasn't been he hasn't been available for them
to use on a constant basis lately.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
And that's real and that's probably the problem with this
feud Sutton is so much has just been MJFF doing
these backstage shots. You're like, okay, I understand that, but
it's like part of what makes an MJF feud great

(45:16):
is when he gets in the ring and cuts these
fantastic promos that make you get invested in the field
and want to see his opponent generally want to just
rip him to shreds. You know, like element is missing

(45:39):
for me, That element is missing in this feud.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
But you've got to play Kate too, Like, look look
at MJFF. Look who they put him in the ring with,
Like guys that actually could hold their own during a
promo or even during a match. Adam Cole the only
move that he has during a promo is it's storytelling
with Adam Old Babay and now I'm about to betray
my friends. Like that's literally his entire wrestling career from

(46:07):
point A to now, Like like that's it, that's it,
Like that's it. I'm sure his extual friend feels the
same way, but like it's just it's very it's very
exhausting to see someone as talented as MJF be wasted
on such a trite feud. When he could be literally
at end with the the the ae W death Riders thing,

(46:31):
which is less convincing as well.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Ye see, I was that's a good point because I
was thinking about John Moxley tonight and I was like,
that should be MJF.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
I mean, like MF.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I definitely think that MJF should be leading a faction
that is trying to take over or whatever. Now all
the death I don't know what the death writers are doing,
but I will say this about the about the u
MGF and Adam Cole's story, I kind of agree that
they needed to not ignore it and wrap it up,

(47:08):
but wrap it up quickly. The biggest misstep that they took,
the biggest mixed misstep that they took, was not putting
Adam Cole against m JF at full gear and putting
Roddy Strong against m JF that full gear. That made
absolutely zero sense. It could have been anybody. It's not

(47:28):
a slight on Roderick Strong here at all. It could
have been anybody. It needed to be Adam Cole and
be done with. We stretched it out for another month.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Now now they're making this. On top of that, they're
making this, They're making this matchup world side before the
Dynamite Diamond Ring. What the freaking do like? I don't like.
I don't care about that.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Yeah, that's a major part of m game of character.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
If he loses the Diamond the Diamond Ring, he loses
a lot of what makes him who he is.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I don't think he's gonna Steve.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, I don't think he's going to lose that ring.
No way. And Yeah, I'm just so bored of this.
I just want MGF to move on with this stuff.
I'm so bored of it.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I think the more egregious fault here was they didn't
give Roddy the opportunity to come out and speak. They
just said he was injured and and and cast him aside,
so people are gonna forget about him. And this is
like one of the big aw storytelling issues that they
have is that when they have someone lose a match
like this, they just disappear for three months and then

(48:45):
they go, oh, we're gonna put out a Jacks figure
what happened? Why isn't it selling because you app because
you're k faving an injury and disregarding the whole the
whole three weeks or two and a half months or
a half year character development that you put into this
game character. If you knew he was going to lose,
the least he could do is have that loss look
like something that's going to build onto the story. Now,

(49:09):
Roddy's gonna sit for three months and everyone's gonna forget
that he fought Okata in Final Battle in twenty eleven.
It looked fantastic.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Horrible kind of builds into the story because it's giving
you a well, it's not building into the story, but
it gives you reason for O'Reilly to be pissed because
it's Adam's fault that he got hurt. But it's it's
not adding to the main story. It's just one of
those side things that they're trying to keep them. And
again it comes down to the undisputed, the undisputed Kingdom.

(49:40):
It's terrible. They don't belong on this at all. It
should have never happened, but.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
It should be on ring of honor. Yes, all of
this should have happened on ring of honor. MJF and
Adam Cole should have happened on aw Everything with anyone
else underneath should have happened on a ring of honor.
And anyone that could have breached the fab work between
those two ideologies, because the companies exist in the same space,

(50:06):
should have thought their way up and not just been
relegated to Ring of honor. Kyle O'Reilly was with aw
first and his showing in the first owen Hart Tournament
was amazing, and I wish that they get cut this
kid more slack because he is a wrestler, mid card champion.
Give it to him, book it.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
So I want to move go ahead, just I want
to move on soon.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Let me just respond to you super quick. I understand
that the dyamite diamond ring is a big part of
mjfs gimmicking character. I like I said, I understand that,
but in this case, it's not adding anything to the story.

(50:51):
That's why I say I don't really care. Like its
it just doesn't mean anything in this particular story.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Well to some degree, I agree. I mean, like, what
is he taking away from MJF That MJF is never
going to lose. Mjf's character is always going to be snooty, rich, entitled,
have power over the entire roster. Having the ring as
a consolation prize, It's like he put fifty cents into
a gumball machine outside of a giant eagle and got

(51:25):
this pretty little ring. All it is It says I've
won a rumble that I've cheated three times at it
doesn't mean anything to him. I agree with that. It's
a plot device, man, it's not an actual championship.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Plot twist, plot twist. Adam Cole is going to beat MJF.
But the diamond diamond ring is going to be missing,
and after about three months we're going to find it
hidden in Don Kallis's Labia. There you go, And speaking
of Labia's, let's move on to the women's match meeting.

(51:57):
Tony Storm showed up from her torn labye or injury
that she was talking about. He's not retired, She's not retired.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Up here, Timeless Tony Storm showed up. Timeless Tony Storm
didn't show up.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
No, I didn't say.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
That it was Timeless actually did retire.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yeah, okay, let me speak.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
So here's the thing with this match. It was a
clean victory for Mariah May. There was notion and against nothing.
I had two problems with this one. It became blantly
obvious that Mariah May was going to win when they
showed Thunder Thunder Rosa in the audience. To me, having

(52:48):
her in the audience meant that that was it. Maria
May was gonna win. Really stupid move putting her in
the audience and being a part of that match. You
knew right from the my least I did right for
that part. I do mean to Shikkawa didn't stand a chance.
The second problem I had with this match. Now that
Mina shar Kawa has lost this match, she's now lost

(53:10):
twice for the Women's World Championship, She's irrelevant.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
She said.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
The only way that she can be relevant again is
if Tony Kahan does create a Women's Tag Team Championship
and puts Tony Storm and Mina Sharikaua together as a
tag team. That is the only way. Because Mina shirak
Kala she might as well get on a plane and
go back to Japan because her singles career in aw

(53:40):
is now completely over. It was a poor decision. I
was actually really creatively, it made more sense for me
to meet it for Mina shark Kyala to win this belt,
at least for a short period of time, just to
show that anything can happen. Ultimately, This was just meaningless,

(54:01):
totally totally meaningless match used to set up the return
of Tony's Storm, which was kind of odd. I don't
know how you felt about Tony Storm's return. She looked
like some woman who was She looked like timeless Tony
Storm cosplaying as Tony Storm, which is really weird to say,

(54:21):
but that's the way it looked.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Maybe that's the point. Maybe the next thing they run
with Tony Storm as Tony Storm has multiple personalities and
every single one as a champion, and every year we're
gonna get Women's Wrestler of the Year Tony Storm hyphenated
whatever she's playing, But would be the greatest thing to
happen to women's wrestling.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
One question I wanted to ask you is that when
Tony Storm came out. I don't know if you Kay
has caught this, but there were tears in her eyes.
There's what the reaction to the from the crowd, And
I'm wondering if those were part of the act, or
those were real or not genuine.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Why wouldn't they be To know that you are an
undercard champion in a sport where you are subjugated based
off of what's swinging between your legs, and you had
such an impact in the short period of time where
they propped you in the sport that's only a form
of entertainment and not an actual sport. Yes, that's huge.

(55:23):
She's idolized the same way that Mina is in Japan
to some degree. You know, Mina's kind of on the
lower card in Japan because Japanese culture does not like
the hyper sexuality. But like, yeah, I mean, like the
Tony two America and she's not even American, I mean,
but like, just to the American wrestling pro wrestling audiences

(55:45):
this year is America that she beat Ria Ripley. Let's
say it, say it out loud, the Tony Storm beat
Ria Ripley. Ree Ripley is one of the most convincing,
convincing women's wrestlers since China. I remember when everyone thought
that China was a terminator. She was the end all
be all of women's professional wrestler. She could beat up guys.
She's going to go in there and divide the whole

(56:08):
gender norm for professional wrestling, and all of these things
gonna be are going to be intertwined, and it's going
to be a renaissance of professional wrestling. Obviously that didn't happen,
but that's the same implications as Tony Storm's rise to power.
She was an NXT wrestler that they jobbed out for
like a total of six matches, and she comes into
a w labia swinging and just like rocking out Tony Storm.

(56:34):
The fact she had an emotional reaction not only shows
her love for the business, but also shows that they
made the right choice and putting that accolade onto her.
She's she's got enough passion to spare. Tony Storm rolls.
That's Juice Robinson's wife, by the way, so shows some
goddamn respect.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
What did Jesus's wife?

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Now you referred to him by his nxteen name.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
He looks like he looks like I'm up at Jesus anyway,
It doesn't mad.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Where he's at. He looks like you.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
So. Tony Storm's next next character is Tony Magdalen.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Tony Storm's next character is a w Women's World champion. Again.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Oh ship, that's that's wrong. That is so wrong Kelson
on so many levels.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Who said Jews perfect?

Speaker 5 (57:27):
But think about it, it's perfect timing. It's Christmas.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, it's the perfect Timmy for that role.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Now, I don't I don't agree with you by Mina.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
I don't think her herd her she'd become irrelevant because
for whatever reason they're going to use it, it's now
going to become a trio again. She's gonna have interaction
between Tony and Mariah still, so she's still going to
be relevant. She may never get another title shot, but
then again, how many women on the roster don't get

(57:55):
title shots?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
All of them?

Speaker 4 (57:58):
I don't know, it's just they How many women in
the last year got title shots.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Were not real ones, but a lot of them got
title shots but not real ones.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
The point is is that there's not many women in
a w that are realistically titled contenders. Mina Sheer Cowell
was one, and they pretty much botched it. In my opinion,
they could have easily made her a champion.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
And again, if you go back and listen to myself
in these podcasts since the beginning, I've always said I
am not a fan of lengthy title runs. I do
understand keeping a title and being able to defend it

(58:48):
at least once in a pay per view, but I
think when you have a title run, it's over three months.
Maybe that's a little too long. You know, Nless you're special.
I mean I again, and I don't mean this disrespectfully.

(59:13):
Roman Rains is in w W. E I can tell
you no. I can pretty much tell you that I
have never seen a Roman Reigns wrestling match ever in
my life. Don't you care to?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
But you see, I know who he is. What you've
seen Jake Cargill.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I've seen Jane Cargo at a W and I thought
that that Other than Orange Cassidy's first run with the
International Championship, j Cargo has been, by far in a
w the absolute worst title run, the most boring, stale,
just awful title run in a w history period. Every

(59:55):
from the time Chris stat Lander took that got the title,
to Julia Hart, Will Night Gale to Mercedes Bone, every
single one of those WORE women on their worst match
is better than Jake Cargo. Wasn't her best match at
AW with that title.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Remember when Tya Valkyrie was like put up as the
chick to tear down Jade Cargill and They're like, Nope,
We're just gonna put her back together with Johnny t
the TV and sticker on ring of Honor Yeah, and
then we're gonna and then we're gonna spend up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Shane, You're completely wrong there, because I'll one up you one.
I'll one up you one. Remember when Athena was the
one that was gonna be taken down Jake Cargo take
back on that now and say, holy shit, what a
swing in a miss aw had there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Huh oh, you're one hundred percent right. And then they
gave they gave Athena one of the most controversial women's
dark matches of all time, where like all of the
iw C was like it was split between oh my god,
it was so responsible and then the other half of
it like it's one of the best women's matches of
all time. This is Sasha Banks and Bailey back in
Hell in the cell name burned the house and they,

(01:01:02):
the two of them women, burn the house down. Athena
is a hidden treasure and that that our AW conversation
is turning into an r O H one again about
Athena specifically Honor Away.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
I can I can.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Understand that Athena had a chance at Jade Cargill looking back,
what a miss opportunity that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Was missed opportunity is an understatement man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
So it comes down to this, I agree that Mina
should have got the title tonight, that that made no
sense not to do that the women.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
I mean, on the men's side, you've got what six titles.
You got the Continental, you got the World title, you
got the t n T title, you got the what's
the other one?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Trios, So you get seven the Continental to tags the trios, you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Get seven titles on the men's side and two on
the women's side. The women's side, the women's side makes
more sense to have shorter runs because you don't have
as many titles to go around. That makes perfect sense
a couple months be done. Because Tony was the exception

(01:02:20):
this year because what she did and what she was doing,
she did it well and it was great, greatly done.
But like we kept saying the whole time, she didn't
need the title to have that kind of run. She
just happened to be the champ that long. And there
were some people that weren't happy because she wasn't defending
it very often, which is whatever. But when it comes

(01:02:42):
down to it, if you want to get everybody talks
about making the women's division better, you have to start
rotating those titles, because you're not gonna build people up
around it if you don't have them involved in the
title scene.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
That's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah. Well, but again, it was good to see Tony
Storm come back. The match was pretty good between Mariah
May and Mina Shira Kala. I've said this before, me
to Shirakawa. Well, even Shane just said to me to
shri Kaa as a mid carter at stardom, and she
is a mid carter. I mean, she's not the greatest

(01:03:20):
wrestler in the world, but I give her massive props
for the effort that she puts in. She does not
you know, rest on her Laurels who goes out there
and give it, give it, gives it her all Jesus,
not like a will Osprey type of wrestler. She's got
her very specific short list of skills that she can

(01:03:43):
do well and that's what she does. Other than that,
she's all you know, bubis that's the way she pronounced it,
by the way bubis and uh and sexiness and hey,
that's fine, but still I would have preferred to see
me to share come win this match simply because furthered
the story. I mean Look, what's the story with with

(01:04:08):
Mariah May. Now? Is it Tony Storm or is it
thunder Rosa? Yeah, they inject logically, would you agree that
it should be Tony Storm versus thunder Rosa.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Well, they injected Rosa into the story for what reason?
I mean, like how far removed his Rosa been from
the World Championships the injury?

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
When when thunder Rosa was World Champion and she got injured,
it was Tony Storm who became interim champion, and then
they made her interim champion and then it was changed
to where she was not interim champion. They made her
a full champion without any really much of an ex

(01:04:51):
lost the bill they made They they made Tony Storm
the full champion, not hat Tony Storm was interim champion,
and then they switched it to full champion and then
e won it afterwards much later, actually you know so.
But the point is is that I think the real

(01:05:13):
feud here is between Tony Storm and thunder Rose, because
those are the ones that that that the story was
originally built around. Thunder Rose have never lost her titles.
She's been saying that for weeks. Well guess who she
never lost her title to? Was Tony Storm then one
of them.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
You can't have them feuding without a title.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
It makes no sense because that's what they should be
feuding over, is the title.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Who's the real champion? See?

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
But that's I guess what I'm getting at is it's
my worry is that we're building toward a three way
at World's End for the women's and I really don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
To see that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
I don't want to see a four a way for
the men's title and a three way for the women's title.
That ship is awful. I'm sorry, it's boring. I mean,
I can already tell you right now that I'm not
watching the four away at World's End. I hope it's
the main events so I can go to better early.
Probably is you know, man, if the women's title is
a three way, you know whatever, for could and it

(01:06:15):
could be a four way, you know whatever. But I
just I don't want to see that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Hey, you can throw Britt Baker in there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Title title should be one on one period. If you
want to do something, difference throwing ladder, thumbtacks into it, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Le lego. The match you see matches, then you see glass.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I guarantee you at a w Shane that they have
a contract where they can use thumbtacks but absolutely cannot
use legos because those those things are dangerous.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
Yeah, they would ifficly would not approve that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Whoever whoever created legos, whoever invented legos, I hope is
rotting in a special room. And right now, I swear
I used to that. I think I could speak for
every single human being, mostly parents, that have stepped out
of Lego at least once in their life. That ship

(01:07:24):
does not go away. That's like if somebody came over,
came up to if Shane and I were standing in
the same room and a woman came in and just
kicked Shane as hard as they could in his nuts,
I would feel it, even though I didn't get touched.
It's the same way if I saw Shane step out
of Lego. There's always so much pain and a human
being can take. And I'm sorry, but you don't ever

(01:07:47):
even want to see somebody step out of Lego because
legos are just looking at her hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Legos are top tier. I wish it wouldn't wish it
upon our worst Sandy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Hey, you should have had to try. I used to
work at Lego Land in California.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Want to live there, you should try have to clean
that shit up after them kids are done putting all
the players down and leaning and stepping on nose or
hitting your knees on them when you're on the ground
trying to pick them up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
When I was younger, I worked at a Chucky Cheese.
Is ever clean cake off of an animatronic? It's just
as bad. And I was the mouse too. I was
the mouse. I was in the suit the whole nine yards,
my wife all the time. Shane were mouse. No, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I can actually picture that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Well, Well, this one, I think we've actually reached the
end of the podcast now that we're talking about Chuck
E Cheese mouses. We can't get any lower than that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Well, they.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Just decommission if you hey look it up online everybody,
for anyone that's listening. They decommissioned the Chuck E Cheese
animatronics last week. Rest in Peace. The Big Bang Gang,
not the Bang Bang Gang, not the Gang Bang Gang.
According to the Kelton, we're talking about the Toki Cheese
animatronics here, Rest in Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
And on that note, forty AW podcast team and all
the talk. This is Kelson.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Good Night, everybody, see you tomorrow. Good Night, everybody,