May 5, 2023 • 32 mins
Some people think freckles are cute and they go so far as to paint fake freckles on their cheeks. Others hate their freckles and see smooth, unblemished skin as the mark of beauty. On this episode of All the F Words, Joanne and Gabi zone in on freckles – what they are, why some of us have them, and how we should take care of them, if we do. You’ll also hear about how Gen Z is all over the fake freckle craze.
Check out Joanne’s new podcast: “In This Story…with Joanne Greene”. In each episode, Joanne shares a flash nonfiction essay, showcasing tales and observations from her animated life. Find it from wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.
Joanne’s book, “By Accident: A Memoir of Letting Go” is available for pre-order from your favorite online book seller. Release date is June 20, 2023. Stay tuned to hear if Joanne will be speaking at a bookstore near you. If you’re interested in having her come to your local bookstore, contact her directly at joannergreene@gmail.com or get updates on her website at joanne-greene.com and make sure to sign up for her newsletter!
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Links:
Gen Z Is Faking Freckles, but How Does It Even Work? https://www.purewow.com/beauty/gen-z-faking-freckles-trend
The Secret Science Behind Freckles https://www.bustle.com/articles/153916-the-science-behind-freckles-is-a-lot-cooler-than-you-thought-video
Are Freckles Attractive? A Look at the Ongoing Debate https://justinboey.com/are-freckles-attractive-a-look-at-the-ongoing-debate/
Check out Joanne’s new podcast: “In This Story…with Joanne Greene”. In each episode, Joanne shares a flash nonfiction essay, showcasing tales and observations from her animated life. Find it from wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.
Joanne’s book, “By Accident: A Memoir of Letting Go” is available for pre-order from your favorite online book seller. Release date is June 20, 2023. Stay tuned to hear if Joanne will be speaking at a bookstore near you. If you’re interested in having her come to your local bookstore, contact her directly at joannergreene@gmail.com or get updates on her website at joanne-greene.com and make sure to sign up for her newsletter!
Follow us on social media @allthefwordspod
Write to us! allthefwordspod@gmail.com
Links:
Gen Z Is Faking Freckles, but How Does It Even Work? https://www.purewow.com/beauty/gen-z-faking-freckles-trend
The Secret Science Behind Freckles https://www.bustle.com/articles/153916-the-science-behind-freckles-is-a-lot-cooler-than-you-thought-video
Are Freckles Attractive? A Look at the Ongoing Debate https://justinboey.com/are-freckles-attractive-a-look-at-the-ongoing-debate/
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Welcome to All the Efforts, apodcast where two writer friends nearly thirty years
apart, explore everything we give inf about. I'm Gabby Moskowins and I'm
Joeanne green On. Each episode ofAll the Efforts will focus on a theme,
starting with the letter F things likeFreedo's felicity and fan girls. Will
share stories from our lives and ourdistinct generational perspectives, and look to the
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experts for insights and ideas. Todaywe're talking about freckles, those extra patches
of coloring or pigment under your skinthat you either love or hate, and
transfiguring too this as well. Someyears people use concealer to cover their freckles,
and these days I'm even seeing peopleactually applying freckles. Gabby is absolutely
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right, and we'll get into fakefreckles. Notice the double F in just
a bit so. The men radicalname for freckles are a fella d's.
Your genes dictate whether you have themor not, and they often end up
showing up during childhood and you evenmay get more of them throughout your teens
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up until your twenties. Mostly it'speople with fair skin and red hair who
have freckles, but not exclusively.Say what are freckles actually? So,
freckles are the result of an overproductionof melanin, which is the pigment that
gives your hair, skin, andeyes, your complexion its color. So
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like I'm a very light skinned person, I say that I'm melanin challenged.
So melanine is what protects your skinfrom sun damage by absorbing and reflecting the
ultraviolet light. So people with lessmelanin have a greater tendency to burn in
the sun. So people with lighterskin who get freckles, doesn't that mean
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that they're more sun sensitive? Yeah, it's likely that they're more sensitive to
the harmful rays. Freckles themselves arenot considered sun damage, but they do
occur as the result of some exposurein people who have that freckle gene.
Are freckles something we should worry about. Well, you want to pay attention
if the freckle changes shape or developslike an irregular border. But most of
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the time freckles are harmless, anddo they ever serve as an advantage?
They actually serve a purpose. Whoknew? So? In a way,
freckles act like sunscreens, and theyare a natural way to block the UV
rays from penetrating into the deeper layersof the skin, so they actually protect
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areas of the skin that are moresensitive to ultraviolet light. That is correct,
So redheads and paler skin white peopleare more likely we've get freckles.
But I can't anybody get freckles,Yeah, because any one of any color
can have the freckle gene, which, by the way, has a name.
Would you like to know its name? Yes? Please? How have
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you lived without this MC one r? You got that MC one r That
is the name of the gene.So you can be an African American,
or an Indian or for someone fromanywhere in the world and have the freckle
gene, the mc one r gene. So what are people with and for
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that matter, without, freckles supposedto do to take care of their skin
to limit damage from sun exposure.I know you know the answer to this,
Kevy. Always wear sunscreen, Alwayswear something preventative. Yes, it's
always wear sunscreen, and it's gotto be SPF thirty or higher. And
that'll help guard against those UV raysthat make freckles appear. You will get
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more of them if you've got thegene, and in any case, whether
you have the gene or you don'thave the gene, it'll help prevent damage
to your skin. Also, ifyou have it's probably a good idea to
have a dermatologist as your skin couldbe not necessarily but could be more prone
to skin cancer. And you shouldtake a look at your face really closely.
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This is something I have to admitI do not do because it does
not make me happy. The mirroris not my friend. So I look
once in the morning, I puton some makeup and that's it. I
don't look again. But if you'regoing to be responsible, you're supposed to
look at your skin all over,all over your body, all the parts
you can see, and see ifthere have been any changes. So,
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just like women perform monthly breast selfexams, or should people with freckles should
perform monthly skin exams. So youmake a note of the freckles, the
malls, and the other skin markingsthat you have, and you note any
changes. So, and to beclear, I think anybody who notices a
change in their skin should like itis something we should all be keeping track
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of our skin. Right if wedid all the things that we were supposed
to do, Gabby, would weever get anything else done? When you
think about it, like, howlong does it take you to get ready
for bed at the end of theday. Oh, I mean, uh,
longer, longer than I'd like ittoo, But that's mostly because I'm
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so brain dead. Yeah, Ican relate to that, but I think
also the older you get, thisis going to be one of those thirty
year different stories for us. Imean literally, the water pick the mouth,
the get rid of the plaque,just the teeth alone, right,
the flossing, the it's just andthen I have to put on the mouth
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guard. So I don't do theBrexist or Braxis or whatever that. Yeah,
it's a it's a sort of brexitis totally different. It happened,
it's over, it's in England.I'm sorry for them. That guy with
the messed up hair, I know. Bad Braxis, however, is when
you grind your teeth. I think, yeah, something like that. Yeah,
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so okay, So we're talking aboutways to care for our skin,
in particular if we are people whotend to have freckles, right, And
I'm not even going to get intothe skincare stuff. That we are sold.
You know, that is enormously expensive. And what you're supposed to do
in the different light, the serumsand the exfoliant and blah blah blah,
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speaking of which, you need toexfoliate. So that is getting rid of
the dead skin. And it helpsif you do use other skincare products it
like sunscreen for instance, and moisturizers, it helps them work better. So
you should exfoliate. So I'm nota super freckly person, but I have
been a couple of times in mylife, both when I was pregnant and
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nursing. Oh that's kind of interesting. Do you know why did you look
into that? Yeah, so melasmais something that happens during and after pregnancy,
and breastfeeding can extend it. It'slike you know, the oh what
it's called. What is it called? The line that you get down your
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belly. First of all, letme just interrupt right now and say,
ladies who are listening, there areall these things in life that no one
tells you in advance, and thisis one of them. So don't ever
say we didn't tell you. Atsome point during pregnancy, you get this
dark line, a completely straight darkline going from your belly button down or
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does it come the linnaea negra.Mine started from like no, uh,
mine was above Mine started from likemy rib cage and went all the way
down. That must mean black linesomething like that. Yeah. Yeah,
And this is the other thing.Your ariolas turn like purple. So did
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you have that? Like souper?Did everything get really dark? No?
I this first of all, we'regoing back a lot of year years now
for me to remember my ariolas.However, I don't think I had that,
But I think it's because I'm melaninchallenged. This is you know,
I am, you know, soI think it's one of those things where
depending on your skin tone and allof that, you know, different things
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happen. And maybe there are somepeople, some women who don't get that
line down their belly. What doyou think it's very possible I got.
Well, not only did I getthe line and the purple ariolas, but
I also got a smattering of Ihad sort of like a line or like
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like I looked like a fingerprint abovemy eyebrow. Totally went away once I
finished nursing, and it came backwith my second pregnancy and when I was
nursing for the second time, andthen it went away again and I got
freckles on They were actually really cuteon my cheeks and under my eyes and
like, um, I don't alittle bit on my forehead, and then
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they went away once that was allover, it was bizarre. Well,
the nice thing there is that yougot to experience it and be cute,
because I'm guessing that the fingerprint andthe lennea negro and the purple orioles weren't
so cute, so you had likesomething at least to feel cute about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, itwas well, I don't know. I
Anna called my lenia negro the Annaline, and it I stopped nursing her
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maybe seven or eight months before Igot pregnant with Sasha, and it didn't
ever completely go away in between,and so because you didn't, you didn't
make all new skin all over again. It was still right, right yeah,
yeah, yeah, so, um, I had that line only and
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it only went away at Like,I nursed Sasha for almost a year after
she was born, and it onlywent away a few months after that ended.
So it was with me for along time. It's just um,
you know, you get used toyour skin looking a certain way with small
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changes like you know, acne andwrinkles and stuff with just the development of
skin. But excuse me, wrinklesare not small things go on. That's
that's true, true, And acneis indeed there. When you're experiencing it,
it's a huge thing. You feellike you feel like you are a
pimple? Did I tell you aboutI may have talked about this already,
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about the acne, about Anna's announcementof my acne at Shabbat at school.
Uh no, okay? Or ifyou or if you did, I forgot,
So what's the chance that the you'regoing to remember if I've already told
you? Guys the story? Apologizeapologies in advance. But um, so,
my almost five year old is reallyinterested in all the different things that
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can happen to skin, Like shewants to know, you know, how
can skin get wrinkly? And wheredo pimples come from? And will I
get pimples one day? And what'sthat going to be like? So,
and I don't even know where sheheard the word acne, but it has
really stuck with her. So shetalks about it all the time. And
at her preschool they do Shabbat everyFriday. So I went to the sabbat
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a few weeks ago and the songleader said, does anybody have any booboos
because we're gonna sing me shabe rockAnd if you don't know what me Sabek
is, it's a prayer for healing. It's traditional in Shabbat services. And
they do like a very sweet song. And my daughter says, yes,
my mommy does. She has acne. So then all the preschoolers saying a
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prayer healing for mommy's acne. Andit was and you did not have the
acne. I'm guessing you know,I don't think that I had. I
don't think I had noticeable I don'tcertainly I've had more acne. I don't
know. My skin looked about likeit does now. Which is this was
more about? I think she wantedto let's just say it's not something to
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pray about. Save your prayers,people. There are worse problems in the
world. So when you say youhad freckles and it made you feel cute,
I want to talk about what ourimage of freckles is and how that
has evolved. So, like whatfreckles say about one's personality so it has
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long been associated. Right, peoplehave always thought of people with freckles as
being more outgoing or more adventurous,or they're like risk takers, or they're
people who want to explore new possibilities. This is based on nothing, right,
Well, I think if I hadto guess, I would say it's
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based on I think we have anassociation with freckles meaning that you're son kissed
and someone who is son kissed isspending time outside, and maybe we sort
of make the connection unconsciously. Idon't know that, my guest. So,
freckles are random, right, Seethey're scattered around your face. You
don't They're not like symmetrical. Youdon't have the same pattern on one cheek
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as you have on the other cheek. So one of the theories is that
they are symbolic of the unpredictability oflife. So that is why they can
be seen as a sign of creativity, as the unique patterns and shapes create
a look that can inspire creative ideas. This is a very positive spin.
If you are completely covered with freckles, I can see that your eyes are
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rolling up in your head right nowas I say this. Additionally, people
with Freckles are often seen as beingconfident and self assured because the presence of
freckles can give the wearer a senseof uniqueness and individuality, which, depending
on your age, can be agood thing or a bad thing. There
are stages of development, as weall know, where being unique is the
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last thing in the world that youwant to be. You want to be
just like everyone else. See aphoto of a group of girls in the
eighth grade and their hair is exactlythe same, They're all wearing the exact
same crop top, exposing the exactsame amount of their belly, and they
are wearing flannel pajama bottoms to school. Do you know this? This is
the style right now? A specificphoto that you're thinking of, or it
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is, but it's it's a specificstyle that is prevalent right now, at
least where we live in middle schools. I'm just saying, pajamas to school,
real pajamas. Absolutely, the bottoms, just the bottoms. They have
really cute, tight tops that areunfortunately revealing. U boys and girls wear
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plaid flannel, drawstring pajama bottoms toschool all the time. Go drive up,
drive to a middle school and seeyou will love me leave, show
me your pants. You don't haveto ask. They're just out there in
their pants, I'm telling. Butthe point is everybody looks exactly alike.
When I was that age, weall wore bell bottoms. They were brand
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new and you had to have them, and you had to have a certain
brand, which I'm sure you've neverheard of, because I'm sure it went
the way the brand landlubbers. I'veheard the like pirate expression, but what
is that? What's it? Doesn'tit mean land lover? It's like a
it's like a pirate epithet. Perhapsperhaps I just know that they were striped
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and that they had like they werevery low cut on your hips, which,
depending on how you were built,was a flattering look or in most
cases, a completely unflattering look.Were they dena? They all kinds of
things. They were stripes of alldifferent bright colors. They were very kind
of sergeant peppery, if you knowwhat I mean. But back to freckles,
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so individuality. So so you know, it is said that they can
be used as an insight into people'scharacter. I don't know that I buy
it. I kind of don't buyit. It just doesn't even make it
doesn't make any sense. Well,I think if we're going to subscribe to
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the theory that we don't judge abook by its cover, then what somebody
looks like doesn't need to tell uswhat their personality is. But it's interesting
to think about. Everything is interestingto think about, particularly when you give
an f about it. We'll beback to talk more about freckles just after
this message. So here's the thing, Gabby, and you're the one who
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alerted me to this trend. Frecklesare in while in many eras, and
maybe even right now amongst some people, freckles are something that you want to
eliminate or get rid of, orput concealer on, or put makeup on
on, or maybe even go sofar as to have lasered off, which
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I'm sure you can do now.There are all sorts of products available and
kits available, and we are linkedto this in our show notes today.
To apply freckles to your face?Can you even imagine? I saw a
TikTok about a product that you puton and I was so like stressed out
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by this. It seems so chaotic. You apply it by flicking like it's
like a paintbrush and it sprays.Did you see this already? It's I
didn't see the TikTok that I readabout it. Now I think I have
to go look up the TikTok.Maybe we should put that in our show
notes too, so people can seethis process. Because I'm imagining if I
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were to do it, because I'mnot exactly what would be a nice way
to say this about myself. I'mkind of like slobby and yeah, I
think too. I would get themall over my bathroom counter and on my
hair and on my shirt. Oh, and I'm getting I would get it
in my eye and then I'd haveto go to the emergency room because I
have freckles on my eyes. Yeah, it would be a disaster. But
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yeah, so tell me what happenedin this video. I stopped paying attention.
As a disclaimer, I stopped payingattention to how to do makeup beyond
foundation, mascara, flipstick, etcetera. When contouring became a thing,
I was like, I don't understandthe artistry of that. I don't know
what I'm supposed to highlight. I'mjust I'm just gonna keep just gonna keep
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doing what I've been doing since Ilearned how to put makeup on. Yeah,
yeah, I have to interrupt you. Yeah, what the hell is
contouring? Oh okay, So contouringis this thing where you take so you
put on your foundation and then youtake a stick, like a darker sort
of tan, like like the colorthat you're I don't know, like this
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that you wish you were. Well, the idea is to create shadowing,
I think, to make you looka little bit like the kids call it
snatched, to like make your tosculpt your faith, to like accentuate your
cheekbones. It's basically what the ideaof blush and highlighter and all those things
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are. Except I don't know.I don't I don't understand when it comes
to eyeshadow. I don't understand what. I've never once put on eyeshadow in
any way other than I like thiscolor, let's put it on my eyelids.
I do not understand what design I'msupposed to be creating, what the
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shadowing is. I don't get atall. Oh, allow me the expert
in such matters, She says,tongue in cheek. I just know that
you're supposed to put lights stuff rightunder your eyebrows to like make that first
of all. Then you just todo stuff to your eyebrows, which I
don't but there are people who do. Then you want to make it seem
like your eyes are deep set,so you put dar ark in the crease,
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the furthest spot, and then youput it light again on the eyelid
or color. But I think,do you remember, I think blue is
not in anymore? Or is itback? Or maybe it is. Everything
that's old is new now. Everytime I go to a clothing store,
I feel like I'm taking a tourthrough every phase of fashion I lived through
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when I was growing up. Butdo you remember in the nineties, Clinique
used to sell little compacts where therewas like a light color and a dark
color for eyeshadow. That has thathas been my approach. I understand light
on top, dark on the bottom. I've never understood what it's doing.
But all of this is to sayI don't get it. I'm not going
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to buy a Freckle's kit, butI'm very interested in what like, it's
fun to see what people who knowwhat they're doing had to say about it.
So I just stumbled upon this TikTokvideo of this I probably shouldn't say
TikTok video. I think you TikTok, and it's understood that that's the video.
So you stumbled. I stumbled upona TikTok and this young woman was
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just doing her makeup, and thenshe didn't even say I have this cool
new product and it's for freckles.It was like that was just an obvious
step of her of her makeup routine. And I was watching her and looked
like it looked like she was takingmascara and smearing it all of her faith.
But it looked totally cute and veryrealistic afterwards. So I don't know,
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how does it not smear? BecauseI cry usually two or three times
a day, and so I'm ano, I really don't, but and
if I do, it's from happiness. It's like, oh I saw a
cute dog. Anyway I would havelike these little stripes running down my face.
Or maybe it's just waterproof. Couldbe, yeah, I don't know.
I didn't look that far into it, but it definitely seems like it
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could be. My guess is thatit's probably one of those products like there's
like there's a whole new market ofand I actually know that this is a
thing too, semi permanent tattoos.Have you heard of this? Of course,
like tattoos, you know, tattoos, so henna tattoos can last I
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think sometimes like a couple of weeks, depending on how often you watch where
they are. So there is this. I've seen these tattoos that can last
like two to three months, andI know that that's an option for freckles
as well. The ones that youapply are probably it's probably similar to I'm
just guessing, but uh, waterproof. My scara, which in my experience
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is only a little is not completelywaterproof. I don't know. It's still
smear sometimes. But can we youspend a few minutes talking about this need?
And this is not new. Womenhave been and humans, not just
women, have been adorning themselves andputting paint on their faces since time began.
I mean, this really goes allthe way back to the cave people.
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What is this need we have tomake ourselves look different than the way
that we look? I mean,I think it probably comes from the power
that we know can come from lookinga particular way. You know, that's
certainly where where makeup comes from.You know. There, yes, there's
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certainly self loathing in wanting to changeour faces. But I think the reason
that, like the core reason thatpeople want to change their appearance in any
way is because really what it comesdown to is the power that they perceive
that they will have. But Ialso think now that we have lots of
choices and different options. I'm notsomebody who like I don't maybe once my
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kids are older it'll be different.But I've never really been somebody who has
all that much fun with makeup.I just never been that into it.
But I know that for some peopleit's it's just fun and exciting to get
to look a little bit different everyday. So I want to pausit a
theory that I just made up,and it probably has no validity whatsoever.
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But maybe humans do this as away of making themselves more sexually attractive in
order to perpetuate the species. Yeah, that makes sense, don't I sound
like a junior anthropologist, a senioranthropology. I took one class one time
in anthropology and it was called aggression. Can you imagine just studying aggression?
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Your whole class was about aggression.That was it. That was the title
of the class, And it wasabout aggression in human Well, let me
let me tell you. I feellike I know you pretty well, and
if that class was about teaching youhow to be aggressive, you didn't do
a very good job because yeah,yeah, I don't even remember anything I
learned. But you know that,I hate to say it, but that
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just kind of happens. You know, it was a lot of years ago.
I just remember loving the learning andthinking it was so fascinating. I
mean, I guess that's a goodthing. But one would hope that one
would remember the actual content of thecourse. But I mean, I don't
know. I don't remember. Everynow and then i'll remember something I learned
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in a college class. That's totallyit feels like it's out of the blue.
But sometimes I think that stuff's justabout the experience that you're having at
the moment and training your brain tounderstand complex stuff. But yeah, I
don't. I think the more yearsgo by, the harder it is.
So here's the question. Do youwish you had more freckles? Do you
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wish that your pregnancy and nursing freckleshadn't disappeared? The older I get,
the more I appreciate the less timesput it this way, the less time
I spend wishing that I looked anydifferent. And it's not because I feel
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like I am just perfect so muchas you are. Well. So my
husband said this thing to me.This is a tiny bit of a journey,
but I think that it'll make sense. When we were engaged and we
were talking about taking whether I wasgoing to take his name or not,
I always know I didn't want to, not only because I published under my
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name, but also because my momdidn't change her name and I just didn't
want to, Like I just didn'twant I didn't want to stop being Gabby
Moscowitz. And he was a littlebit sad about it at first because he
had kind of envisioned having a wifewho would take his name, and but
you know, he wasn't going topush it. And then a couple of
months after we got married, wetalked about it and I said, you
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know, how are you feeling aboutthat? And he said, you know,
the more I thought about it,the more I felt like, if
you changed your name, then youwouldn't be you, and I want to
be married to you. And that'skind of how I feel about making a
lot of changes in the way thatI look, if I stopped looking like
me, then I wouldn't be me, and I want to be me.
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I love that, Gabby, andI hope that there are young women listening
to that and really kind of soakingthat in. I am obviously showing the
signs of age, and I embraceit. I embrace it because I earned
every one of these wrinkles. Iearned the little saggy skin right here on
the bottom of my neck. AndI want my granddaughter and other young women
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to see that this is what itlooks like when you age. We don't
have to put a judgment on it. We don't have to say that it's
ugly or beautiful for that matter.It just is. It is just,
and it's a privilege to age well. And that's what I was going to
get to. My sister and mybrother didn't have that privilege. And next
year I will have outlived both ofthem, or lived longer than either of
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them lived. I've certainly already nineyears beyond what my sister lived, and
so I feel really strongly that thisis what it looks like. I don't
want to send the message to youngwomen everywhere that you should be ashamed of
a natural process. I mean,these are all natural processes. We've talked
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about this on the show many timesbefore. We hid so much growing up
because of society's messages. You know, the fact is we men straight.
Hello, It's true, we do. It's normal. It's a really good
thing that we do, because that'swhy we have human beings that are being
born all the time. And whatis also true is X wise. You
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know, there's a million things thatare true, and one of them is
that human skin does all kinds ofthings when you're you know, certainly in
your teenage years off and you're producingmore oils and that's why you have acne.
And I'm not saying it's beautiful orattractive or people should all just you
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know, accept but yeah, kindof that would be nice if people didn't
didn't judge, and didn't feel theneed to have I mean, I would
go so far as to say plasticsurgery. Now, having said all of
that, I do not judge peoplewho choose to enhance their appearance in whatever
way. I obviously make choices.I use makeup, I do different things.
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I curl my hair or don't curlmy you know whatever. But I
really want to put a plug inthere for embracing what is and feeling comfortable
with what is and feeling beautiful inside. And if it means looking in the
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mirror, less, so be it. And if it means looking in the
mirror and finding one or two thingsabout yourself that you think are beautiful,
then do that. And if youhave freckles, embrace them. Remember what
I said early on. Freckles canmean creativity, they can mean adventurousness,
they can mean an outgoing personality.So love your freckles. If you love
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freckles and don't have them, getone of those kids. You can also
just you can also just get apen where you dot them on. But
that just does not sound good tome. Who was that Pippi Longstocking?
Or there was some Pippi long Stocking? Yeah, but she put them on
with dots and they didn't look soreal? Or did I make that up?
Are you talking about like in there, like Pippi Longstocking the TV show
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in the movies talking about the actress. No, it was a book.
I didn't even know it was,Oh yeah, in the book, in
the book, I think, sothere was a movie. Who knew?
Anyway? Do we have any othernews that we want to share with our
listeners. Have I mentioned that Igot Anne LaMotte say something wonderful about my
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book? I am so excited wewere able to pull the book from the
printer and put an Lamot's quote.If you don't know who An Lamont is,
you should immediately go to your locallibrary, bookstore, independent bookstore,
or whatever and order any one ofa number of her novels or memoirs.
She's extraordinary. And if you likeAnne LaMotte books, I think you're gonna
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like my book too. It's calledBy Accident, a Memoir of Letting Go,
and you can order it now onAmazon or at your favorite independent bookstore
or anywhere. Pre Orders mean alot for authors, so preorder on Amazon
or anywhere else. It'll be reallyhelpful for Joanne. Thanks so much,
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Gabby, and thanks to all ofyou for listening to all the efforts.
You can follow us on social media. We are on Facebook, Instagram,
Twitter, and YouTube at All theEfforts pod, and you can email us
the EPWORDSPOD at gmail dot com.Embrace your freckles, have a great week.
Hi, Bye bye bye
Welcome to All the Efforts, apodcast where two writer friends nearly thirty years
apart, explore everything we give inf about. I'm Gabby Moskowins and I'm
Joeanne green On. Each episode ofAll the Efforts will focus on a theme,
starting with the letter F things likeFreedo's felicity and fan girls. Will
share stories from our lives and ourdistinct generational perspectives, and look to the
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experts for insights and ideas. Todaywe're talking about freckles, those extra patches
of coloring or pigment under your skinthat you either love or hate, and
transfiguring too this as well. Someyears people use concealer to cover their freckles,
and these days I'm even seeing peopleactually applying freckles. Gabby is absolutely
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right, and we'll get into fakefreckles. Notice the double F in just
a bit so. The men radicalname for freckles are a fella d's.
Your genes dictate whether you have themor not, and they often end up
showing up during childhood and you evenmay get more of them throughout your teens
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up until your twenties. Mostly it'speople with fair skin and red hair who
have freckles, but not exclusively.Say what are freckles actually? So,
freckles are the result of an overproductionof melanin, which is the pigment that
gives your hair, skin, andeyes, your complexion its color. So
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like I'm a very light skinned person, I say that I'm melanin challenged.
So melanine is what protects your skinfrom sun damage by absorbing and reflecting the
ultraviolet light. So people with lessmelanin have a greater tendency to burn in
the sun. So people with lighterskin who get freckles, doesn't that mean
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that they're more sun sensitive? Yeah, it's likely that they're more sensitive to
the harmful rays. Freckles themselves arenot considered sun damage, but they do
occur as the result of some exposurein people who have that freckle gene.
Are freckles something we should worry about. Well, you want to pay attention
if the freckle changes shape or developslike an irregular border. But most of
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the time freckles are harmless, anddo they ever serve as an advantage?
They actually serve a purpose. Whoknew? So? In a way,
freckles act like sunscreens, and theyare a natural way to block the UV
rays from penetrating into the deeper layersof the skin, so they actually protect
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areas of the skin that are moresensitive to ultraviolet light. That is correct,
So redheads and paler skin white peopleare more likely we've get freckles.
But I can't anybody get freckles,Yeah, because any one of any color
can have the freckle gene, which, by the way, has a name.
Would you like to know its name? Yes? Please? How have
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you lived without this MC one r? You got that MC one r That
is the name of the gene.So you can be an African American,
or an Indian or for someone fromanywhere in the world and have the freckle
gene, the mc one r gene. So what are people with and for
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that matter, without, freckles supposedto do to take care of their skin
to limit damage from sun exposure.I know you know the answer to this,
Kevy. Always wear sunscreen, Alwayswear something preventative. Yes, it's
always wear sunscreen, and it's gotto be SPF thirty or higher. And
that'll help guard against those UV raysthat make freckles appear. You will get
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more of them if you've got thegene, and in any case, whether
you have the gene or you don'thave the gene, it'll help prevent damage
to your skin. Also, ifyou have it's probably a good idea to
have a dermatologist as your skin couldbe not necessarily but could be more prone
to skin cancer. And you shouldtake a look at your face really closely.
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This is something I have to admitI do not do because it does
not make me happy. The mirroris not my friend. So I look
once in the morning, I puton some makeup and that's it. I
don't look again. But if you'regoing to be responsible, you're supposed to
look at your skin all over,all over your body, all the parts
you can see, and see ifthere have been any changes. So,
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just like women perform monthly breast selfexams, or should people with freckles should
perform monthly skin exams. So youmake a note of the freckles, the
malls, and the other skin markingsthat you have, and you note any
changes. So, and to beclear, I think anybody who notices a
change in their skin should like itis something we should all be keeping track
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of our skin. Right if wedid all the things that we were supposed
to do, Gabby, would weever get anything else done? When you
think about it, like, howlong does it take you to get ready
for bed at the end of theday. Oh, I mean, uh,
longer, longer than I'd like ittoo, But that's mostly because I'm
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so brain dead. Yeah, Ican relate to that, but I think
also the older you get, thisis going to be one of those thirty
year different stories for us. Imean literally, the water pick the mouth,
the get rid of the plaque,just the teeth alone, right,
the flossing, the it's just andthen I have to put on the mouth
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guard. So I don't do theBrexist or Braxis or whatever that. Yeah,
it's a it's a sort of brexitis totally different. It happened,
it's over, it's in England.I'm sorry for them. That guy with
the messed up hair, I know. Bad Braxis, however, is when
you grind your teeth. I think, yeah, something like that. Yeah,
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so okay, So we're talking aboutways to care for our skin,
in particular if we are people whotend to have freckles, right, And
I'm not even going to get intothe skincare stuff. That we are sold.
You know, that is enormously expensive. And what you're supposed to do
in the different light, the serumsand the exfoliant and blah blah blah,
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speaking of which, you need toexfoliate. So that is getting rid of
the dead skin. And it helpsif you do use other skincare products it
like sunscreen for instance, and moisturizers, it helps them work better. So
you should exfoliate. So I'm nota super freckly person, but I have
been a couple of times in mylife, both when I was pregnant and
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nursing. Oh that's kind of interesting. Do you know why did you look
into that? Yeah, so melasmais something that happens during and after pregnancy,
and breastfeeding can extend it. It'slike you know, the oh what
it's called. What is it called? The line that you get down your
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belly. First of all, letme just interrupt right now and say,
ladies who are listening, there areall these things in life that no one
tells you in advance, and thisis one of them. So don't ever
say we didn't tell you. Atsome point during pregnancy, you get this
dark line, a completely straight darkline going from your belly button down or
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does it come the linnaea negra.Mine started from like no, uh,
mine was above Mine started from likemy rib cage and went all the way
down. That must mean black linesomething like that. Yeah. Yeah,
And this is the other thing.Your ariolas turn like purple. So did
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you have that? Like souper?Did everything get really dark? No?
I this first of all, we'regoing back a lot of year years now
for me to remember my ariolas.However, I don't think I had that,
But I think it's because I'm melaninchallenged. This is you know,
I am, you know, soI think it's one of those things where
depending on your skin tone and allof that, you know, different things
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happen. And maybe there are somepeople, some women who don't get that
line down their belly. What doyou think it's very possible I got.
Well, not only did I getthe line and the purple ariolas, but
I also got a smattering of Ihad sort of like a line or like
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like I looked like a fingerprint abovemy eyebrow. Totally went away once I
finished nursing, and it came backwith my second pregnancy and when I was
nursing for the second time, andthen it went away again and I got
freckles on They were actually really cuteon my cheeks and under my eyes and
like, um, I don't alittle bit on my forehead, and then
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they went away once that was allover, it was bizarre. Well,
the nice thing there is that yougot to experience it and be cute,
because I'm guessing that the fingerprint andthe lennea negro and the purple orioles weren't
so cute, so you had likesomething at least to feel cute about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, itwas well, I don't know. I
Anna called my lenia negro the Annaline, and it I stopped nursing her
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maybe seven or eight months before Igot pregnant with Sasha, and it didn't
ever completely go away in between,and so because you didn't, you didn't
make all new skin all over again. It was still right, right yeah,
yeah, yeah, so, um, I had that line only and
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it only went away at Like,I nursed Sasha for almost a year after
she was born, and it onlywent away a few months after that ended.
So it was with me for along time. It's just um,
you know, you get used toyour skin looking a certain way with small
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changes like you know, acne andwrinkles and stuff with just the development of
skin. But excuse me, wrinklesare not small things go on. That's
that's true, true, And acneis indeed there. When you're experiencing it,
it's a huge thing. You feellike you feel like you are a
pimple? Did I tell you aboutI may have talked about this already,
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about the acne, about Anna's announcementof my acne at Shabbat at school.
Uh no, okay? Or ifyou or if you did, I forgot,
So what's the chance that the you'regoing to remember if I've already told
you? Guys the story? Apologizeapologies in advance. But um, so,
my almost five year old is reallyinterested in all the different things that
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can happen to skin, Like shewants to know, you know, how
can skin get wrinkly? And wheredo pimples come from? And will I
get pimples one day? And what'sthat going to be like? So,
and I don't even know where sheheard the word acne, but it has
really stuck with her. So shetalks about it all the time. And
at her preschool they do Shabbat everyFriday. So I went to the sabbat
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a few weeks ago and the songleader said, does anybody have any booboos
because we're gonna sing me shabe rockAnd if you don't know what me Sabek
is, it's a prayer for healing. It's traditional in Shabbat services. And
they do like a very sweet song. And my daughter says, yes,
my mommy does. She has acne. So then all the preschoolers saying a
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prayer healing for mommy's acne. Andit was and you did not have the
acne. I'm guessing you know,I don't think that I had. I
don't think I had noticeable I don'tcertainly I've had more acne. I don't
know. My skin looked about likeit does now. Which is this was
more about? I think she wantedto let's just say it's not something to
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pray about. Save your prayers,people. There are worse problems in the
world. So when you say youhad freckles and it made you feel cute,
I want to talk about what ourimage of freckles is and how that
has evolved. So, like whatfreckles say about one's personality so it has
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long been associated. Right, peoplehave always thought of people with freckles as
being more outgoing or more adventurous,or they're like risk takers, or they're
people who want to explore new possibilities. This is based on nothing, right,
Well, I think if I hadto guess, I would say it's
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based on I think we have anassociation with freckles meaning that you're son kissed
and someone who is son kissed isspending time outside, and maybe we sort
of make the connection unconsciously. Idon't know that, my guest. So,
freckles are random, right, Seethey're scattered around your face. You
don't They're not like symmetrical. Youdon't have the same pattern on one cheek
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as you have on the other cheek. So one of the theories is that
they are symbolic of the unpredictability oflife. So that is why they can
be seen as a sign of creativity, as the unique patterns and shapes create
a look that can inspire creative ideas. This is a very positive spin.
If you are completely covered with freckles, I can see that your eyes are
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rolling up in your head right nowas I say this. Additionally, people
with Freckles are often seen as beingconfident and self assured because the presence of
freckles can give the wearer a senseof uniqueness and individuality, which, depending
on your age, can be agood thing or a bad thing. There
are stages of development, as weall know, where being unique is the
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last thing in the world that youwant to be. You want to be
just like everyone else. See aphoto of a group of girls in the
eighth grade and their hair is exactlythe same, They're all wearing the exact
same crop top, exposing the exactsame amount of their belly, and they
are wearing flannel pajama bottoms to school. Do you know this? This is
the style right now? A specificphoto that you're thinking of, or it
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is, but it's it's a specificstyle that is prevalent right now, at
least where we live in middle schools. I'm just saying, pajamas to school,
real pajamas. Absolutely, the bottoms, just the bottoms. They have
really cute, tight tops that areunfortunately revealing. U boys and girls wear
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plaid flannel, drawstring pajama bottoms toschool all the time. Go drive up,
drive to a middle school and seeyou will love me leave, show
me your pants. You don't haveto ask. They're just out there in
their pants, I'm telling. Butthe point is everybody looks exactly alike.
When I was that age, weall wore bell bottoms. They were brand
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new and you had to have them, and you had to have a certain
brand, which I'm sure you've neverheard of, because I'm sure it went
the way the brand landlubbers. I'veheard the like pirate expression, but what
is that? What's it? Doesn'tit mean land lover? It's like a
it's like a pirate epithet. Perhapsperhaps I just know that they were striped
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and that they had like they werevery low cut on your hips, which,
depending on how you were built,was a flattering look or in most
cases, a completely unflattering look.Were they dena? They all kinds of
things. They were stripes of alldifferent bright colors. They were very kind
of sergeant peppery, if you knowwhat I mean. But back to freckles,
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so individuality. So so you know, it is said that they can
be used as an insight into people'scharacter. I don't know that I buy
it. I kind of don't buyit. It just doesn't even make it
doesn't make any sense. Well,I think if we're going to subscribe to
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the theory that we don't judge abook by its cover, then what somebody
looks like doesn't need to tell uswhat their personality is. But it's interesting
to think about. Everything is interestingto think about, particularly when you give
an f about it. We'll beback to talk more about freckles just after
this message. So here's the thing, Gabby, and you're the one who
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alerted me to this trend. Frecklesare in while in many eras, and
maybe even right now amongst some people, freckles are something that you want to
eliminate or get rid of, orput concealer on, or put makeup on
on, or maybe even go sofar as to have lasered off, which
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I'm sure you can do now.There are all sorts of products available and
kits available, and we are linkedto this in our show notes today.
To apply freckles to your face?Can you even imagine? I saw a
TikTok about a product that you puton and I was so like stressed out
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by this. It seems so chaotic. You apply it by flicking like it's
like a paintbrush and it sprays.Did you see this already? It's I
didn't see the TikTok that I readabout it. Now I think I have
to go look up the TikTok.Maybe we should put that in our show
notes too, so people can seethis process. Because I'm imagining if I
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were to do it, because I'mnot exactly what would be a nice way
to say this about myself. I'mkind of like slobby and yeah, I
think too. I would get themall over my bathroom counter and on my
hair and on my shirt. Oh, and I'm getting I would get it
in my eye and then I'd haveto go to the emergency room because I
have freckles on my eyes. Yeah, it would be a disaster. But
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yeah, so tell me what happenedin this video. I stopped paying attention.
As a disclaimer, I stopped payingattention to how to do makeup beyond
foundation, mascara, flipstick, etcetera. When contouring became a thing,
I was like, I don't understandthe artistry of that. I don't know
what I'm supposed to highlight. I'mjust I'm just gonna keep just gonna keep
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doing what I've been doing since Ilearned how to put makeup on. Yeah,
yeah, I have to interrupt you. Yeah, what the hell is
contouring? Oh okay, So contouringis this thing where you take so you
put on your foundation and then youtake a stick, like a darker sort
of tan, like like the colorthat you're I don't know, like this
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that you wish you were. Well, the idea is to create shadowing,
I think, to make you looka little bit like the kids call it
snatched, to like make your tosculpt your faith, to like accentuate your
cheekbones. It's basically what the ideaof blush and highlighter and all those things
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are. Except I don't know.I don't I don't understand when it comes
to eyeshadow. I don't understand what. I've never once put on eyeshadow in
any way other than I like thiscolor, let's put it on my eyelids.
I do not understand what design I'msupposed to be creating, what the
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shadowing is. I don't get atall. Oh, allow me the expert
in such matters, She says,tongue in cheek. I just know that
you're supposed to put lights stuff rightunder your eyebrows to like make that first
of all. Then you just todo stuff to your eyebrows, which I
don't but there are people who do. Then you want to make it seem
like your eyes are deep set,so you put dar ark in the crease,
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the furthest spot, and then youput it light again on the eyelid
or color. But I think,do you remember, I think blue is
not in anymore? Or is itback? Or maybe it is. Everything
that's old is new now. Everytime I go to a clothing store,
I feel like I'm taking a tourthrough every phase of fashion I lived through
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when I was growing up. Butdo you remember in the nineties, Clinique
used to sell little compacts where therewas like a light color and a dark
color for eyeshadow. That has thathas been my approach. I understand light
on top, dark on the bottom. I've never understood what it's doing.
But all of this is to sayI don't get it. I'm not going
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to buy a Freckle's kit, butI'm very interested in what like, it's
fun to see what people who knowwhat they're doing had to say about it.
So I just stumbled upon this TikTokvideo of this I probably shouldn't say
TikTok video. I think you TikTok, and it's understood that that's the video.
So you stumbled. I stumbled upona TikTok and this young woman was
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just doing her makeup, and thenshe didn't even say I have this cool
new product and it's for freckles.It was like that was just an obvious
step of her of her makeup routine. And I was watching her and looked
like it looked like she was takingmascara and smearing it all of her faith.
But it looked totally cute and veryrealistic afterwards. So I don't know,
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how does it not smear? BecauseI cry usually two or three times
a day, and so I'm ano, I really don't, but and
if I do, it's from happiness. It's like, oh I saw a
cute dog. Anyway I would havelike these little stripes running down my face.
Or maybe it's just waterproof. Couldbe, yeah, I don't know.
I didn't look that far into it, but it definitely seems like it
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could be. My guess is thatit's probably one of those products like there's
like there's a whole new market ofand I actually know that this is a
thing too, semi permanent tattoos.Have you heard of this? Of course,
like tattoos, you know, tattoos, so henna tattoos can last I
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think sometimes like a couple of weeks, depending on how often you watch where
they are. So there is this. I've seen these tattoos that can last
like two to three months, andI know that that's an option for freckles
as well. The ones that youapply are probably it's probably similar to I'm
just guessing, but uh, waterproof. My scara, which in my experience
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is only a little is not completelywaterproof. I don't know. It's still
smear sometimes. But can we youspend a few minutes talking about this need?
And this is not new. Womenhave been and humans, not just
women, have been adorning themselves andputting paint on their faces since time began.
I mean, this really goes allthe way back to the cave people.
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What is this need we have tomake ourselves look different than the way
that we look? I mean,I think it probably comes from the power
that we know can come from lookinga particular way. You know, that's
certainly where where makeup comes from.You know. There, yes, there's
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certainly self loathing in wanting to changeour faces. But I think the reason
that, like the core reason thatpeople want to change their appearance in any
way is because really what it comesdown to is the power that they perceive
that they will have. But Ialso think now that we have lots of
choices and different options. I'm notsomebody who like I don't maybe once my
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kids are older it'll be different.But I've never really been somebody who has
all that much fun with makeup.I just never been that into it.
But I know that for some peopleit's it's just fun and exciting to get
to look a little bit different everyday. So I want to pausit a
theory that I just made up,and it probably has no validity whatsoever.
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But maybe humans do this as away of making themselves more sexually attractive in
order to perpetuate the species. Yeah, that makes sense, don't I sound
like a junior anthropologist, a senioranthropology. I took one class one time
in anthropology and it was called aggression. Can you imagine just studying aggression?
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Your whole class was about aggression.That was it. That was the title
of the class, And it wasabout aggression in human Well, let me
let me tell you. I feellike I know you pretty well, and
if that class was about teaching youhow to be aggressive, you didn't do
a very good job because yeah,yeah, I don't even remember anything I
learned. But you know that,I hate to say it, but that
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just kind of happens. You know, it was a lot of years ago.
I just remember loving the learning andthinking it was so fascinating. I
mean, I guess that's a goodthing. But one would hope that one
would remember the actual content of thecourse. But I mean, I don't
know. I don't remember. Everynow and then i'll remember something I learned
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in a college class. That's totallyit feels like it's out of the blue.
But sometimes I think that stuff's justabout the experience that you're having at
the moment and training your brain tounderstand complex stuff. But yeah, I
don't. I think the more yearsgo by, the harder it is.
So here's the question. Do youwish you had more freckles? Do you
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wish that your pregnancy and nursing freckleshadn't disappeared? The older I get,
the more I appreciate the less timesput it this way, the less time
I spend wishing that I looked anydifferent. And it's not because I feel
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like I am just perfect so muchas you are. Well. So my
husband said this thing to me.This is a tiny bit of a journey,
but I think that it'll make sense. When we were engaged and we
were talking about taking whether I wasgoing to take his name or not,
I always know I didn't want to, not only because I published under my
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name, but also because my momdidn't change her name and I just didn't
want to, Like I just didn'twant I didn't want to stop being Gabby
Moscowitz. And he was a littlebit sad about it at first because he
had kind of envisioned having a wifewho would take his name, and but
you know, he wasn't going topush it. And then a couple of
months after we got married, wetalked about it and I said, you
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know, how are you feeling aboutthat? And he said, you know,
the more I thought about it,the more I felt like, if
you changed your name, then youwouldn't be you, and I want to
be married to you. And that'skind of how I feel about making a
lot of changes in the way thatI look, if I stopped looking like
me, then I wouldn't be me, and I want to be me.
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I love that, Gabby, andI hope that there are young women listening
to that and really kind of soakingthat in. I am obviously showing the
signs of age, and I embraceit. I embrace it because I earned
every one of these wrinkles. Iearned the little saggy skin right here on
the bottom of my neck. AndI want my granddaughter and other young women
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to see that this is what itlooks like when you age. We don't
have to put a judgment on it. We don't have to say that it's
ugly or beautiful for that matter.It just is. It is just,
and it's a privilege to age well. And that's what I was going to
get to. My sister and mybrother didn't have that privilege. And next
year I will have outlived both ofthem, or lived longer than either of
(27:56):
them lived. I've certainly already nineyears beyond what my sister lived, and
so I feel really strongly that thisis what it looks like. I don't
want to send the message to youngwomen everywhere that you should be ashamed of
a natural process. I mean,these are all natural processes. We've talked
(28:19):
about this on the show many timesbefore. We hid so much growing up
because of society's messages. You know, the fact is we men straight.
Hello, It's true, we do. It's normal. It's a really good
thing that we do, because that'swhy we have human beings that are being
born all the time. And whatis also true is X wise. You
(28:42):
know, there's a million things thatare true, and one of them is
that human skin does all kinds ofthings when you're you know, certainly in
your teenage years off and you're producingmore oils and that's why you have acne.
And I'm not saying it's beautiful orattractive or people should all just you
(29:02):
know, accept but yeah, kindof that would be nice if people didn't
didn't judge, and didn't feel theneed to have I mean, I would
go so far as to say plasticsurgery. Now, having said all of
that, I do not judge peoplewho choose to enhance their appearance in whatever
way. I obviously make choices.I use makeup, I do different things.
(29:26):
I curl my hair or don't curlmy you know whatever. But I
really want to put a plug inthere for embracing what is and feeling comfortable
with what is and feeling beautiful inside. And if it means looking in the
(29:47):
mirror, less, so be it. And if it means looking in the
mirror and finding one or two thingsabout yourself that you think are beautiful,
then do that. And if youhave freckles, embrace them. Remember what
I said early on. Freckles canmean creativity, they can mean adventurousness,
they can mean an outgoing personality.So love your freckles. If you love
(30:10):
freckles and don't have them, getone of those kids. You can also
just you can also just get apen where you dot them on. But
that just does not sound good tome. Who was that Pippi Longstocking?
Or there was some Pippi long Stocking? Yeah, but she put them on
with dots and they didn't look soreal? Or did I make that up?
Are you talking about like in there, like Pippi Longstocking the TV show
(30:36):
in the movies talking about the actress. No, it was a book.
I didn't even know it was,Oh yeah, in the book, in
the book, I think, sothere was a movie. Who knew?
Anyway? Do we have any othernews that we want to share with our
listeners. Have I mentioned that Igot Anne LaMotte say something wonderful about my
(30:59):
book? I am so excited wewere able to pull the book from the
printer and put an Lamot's quote.If you don't know who An Lamont is,
you should immediately go to your locallibrary, bookstore, independent bookstore,
or whatever and order any one ofa number of her novels or memoirs.
She's extraordinary. And if you likeAnne LaMotte books, I think you're gonna
(31:22):
like my book too. It's calledBy Accident, a Memoir of Letting Go,
and you can order it now onAmazon or at your favorite independent bookstore
or anywhere. Pre Orders mean alot for authors, so preorder on Amazon
or anywhere else. It'll be reallyhelpful for Joanne. Thanks so much,
(31:48):
Gabby, and thanks to all ofyou for listening to all the efforts.
You can follow us on social media. We are on Facebook, Instagram,
Twitter, and YouTube at All theEfforts pod, and you can email us
the EPWORDSPOD at gmail dot com.Embrace your freckles, have a great week.
Hi, Bye bye bye
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