Always Ageless w Valerie V September 1, 2025 Guest Eve Hill

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Nearly ninety percent of older adults say they want to
stay in their homes as they age, but most homes
in America weren't built with that in mind. Something as
simple as a single step, a narrow hallway, or a
slippery bathroom floor can mean the difference between years of

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independence and a sudden, preventable setback. And it's not just
our homes. The way we talk about aging, the words
and the assumptions that we use, can quietly shape how
people see them and even how long they live. That's
why today's episode of Always Age Lists is so important.

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We're looking at how to truly customize the way we
age in our homes, our communities, and in our culture.
Joining me is Eve Hill, certified Aging in Place Specialist,
licensed realtor, writer, educator, and co founder of Customized Aging.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Eve is a passionate speaker.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
And advocate who helps families prepare for longevity with smart design,
practical planning, and a strong voice against agism, which we're
going to talk more about. If you don't know what
that is, hold on, you're going to learn. She brings warmth, wisdom,
and a storyteller's touch to every conversation, and I think

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She is absolutely brilliant and such a gift to agism
and aging and aging in Place. In this episode, we're
going to We're going to talk about universal design. If
you don't know what that is, we'll talk about it,
the hidden costs of agism, the promise of age tech,
and why planning early is one of the greatest gifts

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you can give you yourself or you're someone you love. So
stay with us. The conversation with Eve Hill is when
you will not want to miss Eve Hill. Welcome to
Always Ageless. I have wanted you on our show for
so long. Thank you for being here.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Thank you so much for having me the Valerie.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
That was an amazingly generous and complimentary introduction.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I appreciate your having me on the.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Show well earned.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I can tell you that Eve, your past started, interestingly,
your past started in television and writing before Aging in
Place was even a twinkle in your eye. Can you
take us back to the moment that you realize that
this was where you wanted to make a difference.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, take you back to a few years ago.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
It was in the middle of the pandemic, and I
had recently stopped working at my job and nonprofits and
I was baking bread and drawing and doing a lot
of things, and it was my father. My parents were aging.
My father was nearing the end of his life. He
had lost a lot of his mobility. His balance was
an issue, and I realized how his home environment started

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working against him. It was as I was getting my
certification in aging in place and being an aging in
place specialist where I realized he wasn't using the bathroom
that was attached to his bedroom anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I'm like, why is that is that? Oh, he's using it,
he's leaving it for his wife.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
But at eighty five years old, he had to go
down the hall and down the stairs with his walker
to go take a shower.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
And I was like, why are you doing that? Maybe
you like that shower better.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Oh, no, it's because the doorways too narrow for his walker.
He's limiting his use of his own home. His home
is working against him. It's impacting his comfort, it's impacting
his dignity, and it's putting him at risk for a
fall as he walks down unsteadily to the bathroom. So
I saw that and I mentioned to him, Hey, we

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can make some changes. We could put an offset hinge
there's a thing called an offset hinge we could put
on the doorway, or we could do this, we could
do that. He's like, no, no, no, I'm fine. I'm
not ready.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
No, basly so I'm not ready, right, It's very common.
We all feel it at one time or another. No,
I don't for whatever reason, and we can talk about
that later.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
But so I saw that. So I saw agism in.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
His in his in his own mind, where he was
resisting something that made him look or feel old. And
then the home itself was ages in design because that
narrow doorway, like you were saying in your introduction, wasn't
designed for longevity. And it's one of the many things
in our homes that we're living with, whether we realize
it or not, that we're not designed for aging in

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place that are subtly incapacity disabling us without or even
realizing it. But so that kind of opened my eyes,
and as I was getting my certification, gave me kind
of a focus to speak out for universal design as
the default design and to speak out against ages because
we all need things to hold on to that isn't

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our conditioning and our prime We need the grab bars
to hold.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
On to we do, we do, we do, And I
can't wait to talk about that because when I saw
you talk about grab bars at an event, oh my gosh,
this is brilliant.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
So that was one of the things I I early
saw and admired about your your presentations. So then did
so did you what happened to your dad?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Did he fix anything?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
No? He didn't.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
He really just really had a stair chair, so he
was able to do that, but he was at the
point in his life where really he was.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Soon after that he fell. He went on hospice.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
The fall didn't have anything to do with getting to
the bathroom. The fallout to do with the fact that
he just didn't have balance anymore. So so that happened.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
And yeah, so we never fixed that.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
But it really made me see how I started seeing
how people live with these things without even realizing it.
I saw how he was making adaptations that weren't really comfortable,
adaptations like he had.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
A couch and a chair which had two or three
cushions on each thing, and then a pillow on the back,
and then this plastic chair because I had steady arms,
so we had a plastic chair in the house.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
It's like there are other things you can do to
make it more comfortable, and we don't really think to
do them.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
We just kind of make do or we don't know
about the options.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
So I kind of got excited about the options when
I got my certification, and so that kind of drives
me forward, makes me kind of excited about it.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, that's exciting. So you grew up baking in San Francisco,
is that correct? You studied film at USC.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, I got the Hollywood bug.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
I started watching movies as a kid and I had
to go to LA So I went to University of
Southern California, and I was interested in in sort of
the meeting behind the movies kind of.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I was kind of amazed that you can entertain and move.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
People like you could do something that was fun to watch,
that was romantic, and that you would come way knowing
something deeper.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
So I got really into that and I studied movies. Yes,
good for you.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
So what from that world of culture and storytelling you
do you still carry with you into your work today?

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Doing doing more than one thing at once at once.
When you're when when you're doing when you're communicating, like
communicating on different levels like like coming in with a
story or coming in with humor, or making something kind
of quirky and.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Funny helps open you up. A smile opens you up.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
To the information and and so I think that really helps.
I did a lot of comedy writing. I think rhythm
and and and putting yourself out there taking risks. But
the culture, if I think about it now, the team
playing aspect of it.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
You have to work as a team, and you've.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Learned to appreciate other people, you learn to work with
difficult people, you learn other perspectives. I think, you know,
it's not just about entertainment, And I formed a lot
of I don't know, a lot of relationships and team
spirit and a belief in a common goal, even if
it's something like a TV show. You know, and here
we are now and we have this common goal. We're

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all working together to communicate to older adults in a
way that makes them open up and look forward to
the future too. So it's kind of like that, that
kind of storytelling and humor and a team playing aspect.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I guess I'm bringing.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
We interviewed a lady several months ago you may have
seen who started writing comedy plays about seniors. In her
mid seventies, she started writing, and she started writing because
she saw plays or things about seniors where everybody was
making fun of them. And so I think that there
is a lot of I'd love to hear from you

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about the missing element maybe in our entertainment is how
would you combine how would you combine writing and theater
and fun with older people without making fun of them.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Well, there's a woman named Janine Vanderberg who from Encore
Roadmap and Changing the Narrative, she speaks out against ageism
all the time. I think she's the one that said
we need to see seniors having fun instead of being
made fun of. And I think that's true. And I
think that there are a lot of stories and movies

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TV that tries and some succeed in moments, and I
think a lot of times it's just easily falling into
Like I read a review of this show that's coming
out about a murder mystery solved by a bunch of
older adults and how cute it was, and even with
these amazing actors, it fell into these stereotypes of aren't
they cute a murder? But I think there were moments

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and I don't know if I can recall them in
that show with Ted Danson that was just on where
he plays sort of a detective in an older adults
community and I forget the name, but there were moments
in that and maybe it was his acting ability when
he when they were treating each other like people. And yeah,
the problems they had were having to do with the

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stage of life that they were in, but they were
they weren't relating. It's like, you know, hey, you know,
let me scram it into your ear because I know
they are hard of hearing old man ors. It was
they were just people. So so I think that I
don't know you. And that's kind of.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
What what I'm looking for when I'm talking about what
I'm trying to figure out is that balance between the
realities and we are cliches.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
There are some cliches we fall into as we get older, right,
we don't remember a thing, but but there has to
be a balance between you know that as a reality,
and I think there's room to make fun of it
a little bit, and and then there's the positive part
about it, the positive part of recognizing it, almost acceptance,

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and then you know, because it's going to happen, you're
gonna have loss. I was just reading about it in
another book, The Happiness Curve, So you know you have
to try to understand it.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
And you know it's the true.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, we could have another discussion on entertainment and and
older people, because you're right, you know, it's certainly not
all of us. And I'm at an age where at
some point in time someone would have called me old, right,
they would have called me elderly.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't think I'm old.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I certainly don't consider myself as elderly, which is why
we start a show that calls all it's called always ageless.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
But still we tend to make fun of older people.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
And well, because here we are at the word old, old,
I can't just see it as a fact.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
It has a connotation. It has a connotation of disability.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
So of course we don't want to say we're old,
because you know, as humans, we're not disabled. As humans,
we have as much value now and forever, no matter
what our body is doing, right, it's still valuable as
human beings.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
So but if old was just a.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Fact of being on the earth longer, then we wouldn't
But then we don't know how long we're going to live.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
So yeah, language.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Is none of us do, none of us do, none
of us do, and the reality is which is a
who whole. Another subject of philosophy we don't need to
get into on this show is that you start aging
when you're born. So let's just get right to it, right,
So we have to talk about it always ageless, it's
the same, it's the contradiction.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
We can talk about that too.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
But the reason is so interesting, one of not the
reasons interesting. But this becomes more interesting because as we
get older, we get more able to hold contradictory ideas
in our head.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
At one time.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
We get better at mediation, a conflict resolution and other
people's seeing other people's perspectives.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
So it's actually something that we get better at as
we age.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
So this problem isn't going away, but our ability to
address it and understand it is also getting better and.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Not going away. So I'm going to get used to
this conversation.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
There, we know it certainly is a conversation to be had.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Let's talk about your frame, your words, customizing the way
you age.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
What does that really mean in practice?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
And can you share a story of someone who truly
did that and how did it change their life?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
H I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
I guess I'll start with the slogan the model customized
the way you age, which is doing is about not
It's about not accepting the current, the current bias, or
the current the current view of our society is of

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ages aging as decline. It's no, you don't have to
accept you know what society tells you is going to
be your older years. You can there are options. It
was like, it's a way you can customize things. You

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can choose this grab bar. You can look at the
where you live, not just your house, but you can
customize everything around you, Like you can customize your transportation.
There are options to customize your healthcare. There are options
to customize, uh, you know, every little thing. Who takes

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care of you, what your house looks like, where you live,
how you pay for things, how you finance things. But people,
because we're kind of new to the age of longevity,
we're kind of new to a feeling of where we're
going to live till in our eighties or ninety.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Wee can even live to one hundred. So there isn't
lot of stuff written.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
About this, so we're kind of we get to lead,
we get to create it, we get to you know, say, oh,
you know the baby boomers. You know, I don't like
to generalize, but it's a general generation that has been
able to customize itself, that has moved forward with innovations,
and those people that have made those innovations are still
out there. So what's great is that if you open

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your eyes to this stuff and you see the innovations
and you see that and even now things like technology,
of course has is a double edged sword, but the
age tech that's coming in is kind of overwhelming, but
it's wonderful, so so so customized aging first was let
us help.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
You customize your home.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Let us help you put in the modifications you need
to age safely and independent, and let's get you excited
and it'll be fun and it'll look beautiful. And then
it's kind of expanding to look at the rest of
your community and you can also customize that. And if you,
in fact, if you don't take that into consideration, that's
going to have an impact.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
So, customer, I think the way you paid is not only.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
In the way age excuse me, is not only the
way you live, but it's also again, you know, not
only the way you live in your home, but the
way you live your life, and that in a lot
of different ways.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Right, you know, it's about options, and I think I
don't know somebody who's done an A to Z personally,
but I do know that I've had impact in some
of the people I've spoken to.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
And you just talk about my mother.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
She's she's got the stair lift, she's doing some exercises
I talked to her about, she's got the ground bars,
she's planning to redo the bathroom. She's gone ahead and
figured out paratransit for herself. So if she doesn't want
to drive, or she's worried about walking after she parks,
she doesn't have to.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
And I don't I don't think. I mean, she's very.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Very resourceful, but I don't think and she hopefully should
back me up with this. I don't think she would
have going to wear all those kinds of things, and
even the attitude.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I hope there are a lot of.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
People like that as time goes on, where they get
their aware that you're aware of their options, or they go, oh,
well but I could look that up, Oh I get
to yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, well, And there's a lot of things to do that.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
First of all, they didn't know how to access resources right,
and now it's much easier to access resources. There are
more resources, and they're easier, they're more abundant. So there's
fortunately a lot of things that are are parents and
that we have available to us. So universal design is
a big theme in your work. First of all, let's

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tell our listeners and our viewers what do you consider
to be universal design.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Universal design is design that is made for maximum use
by the maximum number of people, ease of useful, all
ages and abilities. Some design that doesn't demand demands as
little adaptation from you.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
As possible to use.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
It's easy, it's flexible, it has tolerance for error. So
things that in the home, in a residential home would
be ground bars would be universal design.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
A curless beautiful spylight, curdless shower.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
The universal design things in house, in homes and in
the world, like the automatically opening doors when we walk
on a matt and the door opens, that's universal design,
and lever or touchless faucets or universal design task lighting,
that wonderful stuff so we can see what we're doing
when we're chopping our vegetables when we have.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Lighting, right, underneath the countertops. That's also universal design.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
So those kinds of things in our universal design are
also called accessible design, better living design, enabling design, lifespan design.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Inclusive design. So it's not just targeted on people that
may have disabilities.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
It's for everybody. It's for children to injured people, pregnant women, everybody.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Can you share an example of a small home modification
that had a life changing impact on someone that you
worked with or someone you saw someone you knew well.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
When we went into a home and we saw how
a woman had sort of jerry rigged the.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Shower, it was you know things, you know, little.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Ramps shoved up there and kind of things clamped, you know,
shower hits and those as clamp, and it was it was,
you know, not only was it not as effective as
it could be, it was sad, right, it wasn't you know,
they were just using what was on hand or what
they had found in the industrial supply or whatever it was.
And so you know, making recommendations for that would make

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it beautiful, would light in a person's outlook, So those
recommendations would be helpful.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
And I also made.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Some recommendations in a fifty five plus place where they had.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
They had a shower and.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Pool area, and they had these mats that weren't buffeled,
they weren't sloped. They were just like these mats that
you walk on after you got out of the pool,
and they were like an inch and a half fit.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
So, you know, a toe with drag with trips, you
can't do that. So I did some research.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
I set up some recommendations, so I think, I mean,
you know, we can some There are lots of there's
lots of good evidence coming out now about the effectiveness
of home modifications. It's pretty young data, it's new, but
you know, visits like Rebuilding Together, which is a national nonprofit,
has done studies that showed, you know, it can decrease

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falls up to fifty percent. There's another place called Coalition
for Home Repair. Then their initial studies show it could
decrease falls. Having things simple modifications like rab bars and
things like that could decrease falls up to seventy eight
or seventy nine percent. So again it's hard to measure
things that don't happen. But they set up experiments where

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they have, you know, a floor that moves and you know,
a place and not a grab bar and a grab
bar and have someone you know, they have them tethered
so they're not gonna fall, but the floor all of
a sudden moves. Did they grab the ground bar and
if they didn't grab the fall they didn't things like that.
So those kinds of experiments are showing that that it's
making a difference.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
What are some of the most common mistakes home owners
make when planning?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
For aging in place or things they think they're doing
right that they're not.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Oh, they think they're doing right, they're actually planning, then
they're gonna take the throw rugs away and they're going
to put a non slip floor it right.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
If they're actually planning, they're there.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
They when they move into a place they you know,
they're considering their next home, they.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Would look for something of wider doorways.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
They would say, you know, if there's a twenty four
inch doorway into the bathroom, I probably you know, let's
see if we can widen the doorway, put in a
pocket door, or lift somewhere else. You know, those are
some of the mistakes that people overlook, I think when
they're moving into a place like I did, but and
stairs when they're you know, if you're planning for agent place.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
You're not going to move into place with.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
The spiral staircase, or if you do, welcome, I put
an elevator in there later.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Have you ever walked into a home and immediately thought
this is dangerous? Sure you see other people miss well.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I think and I don't, and I think people do
know this at some level.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
I think it's a lot of clutter, mostly clutter, you know,
and narrow doorways or glass coffee tables, you know, furniture
that's in the way, things that are things that are
up high, like a microwave that's up really high in
the kitchen, because that's super dangerous for anybody. You know,
we don't want to, you know, bring something hot over

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our heads. You know, it's pretty cumbersome. And and the
you know, there's things in the kitchen, right there's the.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Stove, the controls for the stove that are in the
back where you'd have to reach over the burners to
control the stove, all right, Yeah, things like that, and
of course the throw rubs. And if the lighting is poor.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
You know a lot of rooms, a lot of the
places people live, they haven't uphing with the.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Lighting, so it's kind of dark. And that can get
pretty dangerous at night. And then of course no grab
oars in the shower.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
So my mom lives in a fifty five plus community.
She happens to be one hundred and five, almost hundred.
That's irrelevant because it's still a fifty five plus community.
They have stacked washers and dryers there, but they don't
have controls in the middle. So the controls for the
dryer are at the top. My mom's five too. She
can't reach them. She has to stand on a stool

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at one hundred and five to turn on her dryer.
Why aren't Why is that? So we said, well, we'll
just buy you a new one. We went to the
Appliant store. They almost don't make them, almost impossible to
find her her She has to climb.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Over her toilet to get into her shower.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I mean, all these other things, and I'm not exactly
but you know, kind of to turn on the water
at least, and now granted it wasn't built last year,
so those things. But still, but when I look at these,
you know, so we we put her there. We said, well,
it's fifty five plus, right, every it must be great,
And you go on in there and go, oh my gosh, no,

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it's true. And then again the microwave, Yeah, the microwave
is too high.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
What about the doorknobs. The doorknobs are the leavers.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, they're nbs, So we were changing those.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, that's and you know, the great thing is about
some of these.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Fifty five plus communities that you can buy the place,
you can buy the home, but since you're buying it,
you've got to do the work.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
You've got to make it safe.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
You know, the things that they did when they built
it might have been you know, and you probably know
the incentives for building a fifty five plus don't usually
include mandating.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
These kinds of things.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
They're just about I don't know what they're about, right,
It's not about making sure it's safe for aging a place.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
It's just, oh, this is for fifty five plus.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, well this is a lot.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
There's a lot of opportunity, there's a lot of work
to be done. There's a lot of opportunity. And you
talk about things like a washing machine, a dryer.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
If you can't find them, well, its best is home
Deeper listening is Lowe's listening, you.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Know, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, definitely, definitely for people who
are currently in their fifties and sixties listening right now,
what's one step they could take to start preparing their
home for the future.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Well, if you're talking about one step, that's super easy.
The DIY stuff is the throw ropes, either putting backing
or taking them up, going around your house and looking
at the clutter, looking about other things that mess with
I you move around the house, just clearing it out,
you know, lightening it up is really a good thing.
And ground bars. You know, I'm on a soapbox about

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ground bars, but they're pretty darn easy.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
You don't get the suction cut ground bars. They will
fall off the wall.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
But it's a good foot in the door for something
that even though you may have I would recommend to
hire somebody. So it's something that you know, way you
have to commit to because you do have to find
a person to do it. But it's only going to
be a couple hundred dollars and go shopping for beautiful
grown bars. Go go, you know, go to pontigulio dot

(26:18):
com or go to heartmobility dot com and start getting
excited about grab bars. You know, I have a couple
here I can get into that.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Later I want it.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I want you to show those to our audience even
though everybody can't see. But we're going to put them
on the video, so if you are listening to this show,
we will have them on on video so you can't
see them. So Eva, I want you to talk about
those grab bars. Tell our audience what you're what you're showing.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
The simple things, and the simple things are are the
clutter and the furrow rows. But this is the next
simple thing, which is installing a ground bar and get
it professionally installed. Even if you don't have blocking behind
the walls, which unfortunately a lot of homes don't, you
can get the anchors they're called hollow wall anchors or toggle.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Anchors, and you can just they won't have.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
As much load, but they will be much better than
not having their grab bar. And so this is a
texture grab bar. It's it's kind of a new design
from Heart Mobility. It's called safety grip and I've never
seen anything like it. And it's for not just grab
but sustained grip. So if you have a compromise grip,
if you have arthritis or Parkinson's or neuropathy, or you're

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covering from an injury. The standard ground bar is wonderful,
but it doesn't have the texture. So this one, your
fingers naturally go into the grooves and it gives you
more leverage. So it's an innovation in ground bars. So
it's not just a grab bar that's gonna help. It's
a ground bar that I'm kind of excited about. So
that's why I brought it in. And I also get

(27:44):
excited about Pontigulio, not just because they have grab bars
and every you know, grab bars in every color of
the rainbow. It's also because there I kind of got
saw all the shapes.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
That they have.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
They have grab bars that curve around walls, and they
have grown bars that are in a wood grain finish.
They have grab bars that you can customize your ground bar.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
You can put anything you want.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
You can put your favorite sports team's logo, or you
can put your cat's picture on a grab bar if
you want, and you can you have optimized grab bars.
You have grab bars that double as soap dishes, ground
bars that double as toilet roll holders, and really useful
as a ground bar that doubles as a towel rack.
Because a lot of people will say I just have
my towel rack, I can study myself on that. That's

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not going to hold you if you need if you're
trying to pervent a fall. So a towel rack and
grab bar combo that's beautiful can do it. And it's
less than you know, it's probably a couple of hundred
bucks or something like that. So so so I would
recommend kind of getting your signed about ground bars and
letting and opening yourself up to that possibility as one

(28:49):
action step above just kind of you know, moving some
boxes into the garage and things like that.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
And Eve, I think I saw at one of your
presentations you showed a grab bar that that was lighted
behind it.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Oh yes, oh, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
It's called it's a motion sensor light up grab bar,
and it's by a company called Evecare and no relation
to me, and so yeah, and it goes it's our microphone.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah hi. So yes, it's a motion sensor light up
grab bar and it's by a company called Evecare and
starts at only thirty dollars.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
And so when at night, if you have to get
up and go, it'll light up when you walk into
the room, so you know where to grab and where
to go. So that's another one that's kind of exciting.
And the other one, you know, there's one called a
super standard pole. It's a Florida ceiling grab bar and
you don't need a professional to install. It's tension mounted,

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so as long as you have a flat ceiling, you
get this pole and you can put it next the
toilet if you don't have space in the wall. You
don't have space for a regular grab our. It's just
the pole and it then has like a bar coming
out that swings around, so you can grab it at
the toilet side and then you can step into the
bathtub and or grab it at the other side.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
If you want to get out. So there's a lot
of different kinds.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
And there's one from Heart Mobility also that's expressly for
stepping down from your home into the garage where there's
usually a couple of steps, and it's kind of an
angle that sticks into the wall. So, like I said,
the innovations are coming because the smart companies know that
there's a humongo market out there and if we can
make this beautiful and we can get Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I hadn't seen the one from Florida Ceiling.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
It's a great idea that's called the super standard pole.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well, there we go, so talk to me.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I've seen you talk about also lighting, Let's talk about
some lighting innovations. What are some things that most of
us don't see every day, but they would really be
good to know about.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Well, a lot of us are seeing and really enjoying.
Ask lighting that I mentioned earlier. You can put under
your kitchen cabinets and I got some at home depot
that were twenty dollars for two and they're motion censor
and battery operated. So you can leave them on automatic
so they can go on when you enter the room,
or you can turn them off so just you flip
them on if you need them to chop your vegetables.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
So motion sensor lights, also motion sensor.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Lights, toe kick lights in your kitchen, toe kick cabinets,
motion sensor lights in the kitchen, motion sensor lights, like
I said, very inexpensive in the bedroom. So when you
get up having to go to the bathroom in the
middle of the night and you step out of the bed,
a light goes on. It's not a bright light, it's
just some lights you can see your path. So those

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kinds of things and night lights are super cheap. There's
lots of you know, smart tech that's attached to security
lighting that you can turn off and on with your.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Phone or off and on with your voice. What other lighting?
What am I missing?

Speaker 2 (31:58):
But talk to me again.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I miss this a little bit about the one that
when you get out of bed, you step on and
lights up.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Where do you mount that motion sensor tape?

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Motion sensor lights that you just sort of stick on
and so the light will turn on when it senses motion,
like if you get out of bed and when you
go to the we have different different I would recommend
different sources of light in the bathroom to cut down
on glare. I'm not talking about it at night. I'm
talking about it even during during the day. So you

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want to have natural light, and you want to have
two other sources of light for optimal dose. You want
to see what you're doing in the shower. You want
to know how to get in and out. So those
kinds of things for lighting.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
How exciting. I want to spend a little bit of
time this morning on agism. There's a book that I'm
sure you've read called Stage not Age, and it has
become one of my favorite books.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Eve.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I heard you speak at a conference about agism, and
I was fascinated by it because made me realize I
don't know enough about it, and although I thought I did,
and it made me realize that probably a lot of
people are not aware of what it really means, and
when they say and do things, they're not aware of
the impact of that. So tell me what is agism?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Well, yes, agism is a prejudice against people based solely
on age, a discrimination. Things that we do feel, or
say or.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Act that are discriminatory based on a person's age, and
we can even point it at ourselves. There's there are
many different kinds of agism. There's an internalized or self
directed agism where if we forget our keys, we might say, oh,
I'm having a senior moment, right, And that's really an
insult to us.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
It doesn't. We forgot keys all our.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Lives, and as author Ashton Applewhite says, we didn't call.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
It a junior moment when we forgot our keys when
we were younger.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
So, and while we're on the sub so, internalized ageism
is a biggie and we might not even be aware
of it, and we do it all the time. We
say all, I'm too old for that, all my New
York's because I'm old, and so we don't do anything
about it, and then it gets worse. And I like
to quote Ashton apple White again, which she said when
she talks about internalized agism, she says, it's our numb

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collusion to our own disenfranchisement. We are putting ourselves out
of the equation by saying we're old and it's.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Not going to get better. So that's internalized. But we
don't get it just from us. We get it from society.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
There's interpersonal agis agism in between people.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
And I talked to I Think that conference.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
I talked about elder speed, which is a very common
form of interpersonal agism when we use.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Sing song high pitched tones talking to older adults or
call them sweetie or honey, or say oh oh, how
are we feeling today? And that's elder speak.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
And we might think it's well intentioned, we might think
it's kind, we might think it's helpful, but it's patronizing,
and being on the receiving end of elder speak feels
like an insult, feels like, yeah, you're being patronized, You're
being diminished. So personally and professionally, it can really mess
with trust. People feel like, you know, they're repelled by it,
and it messages with their sense of self esteem and

(35:11):
self work. It impacts their confidence their own decision making
when they're being diminished like that. So when we're dealing
with you know, I'm dealing with clients or older adults,
I'm trying to help, I don't want to make them
feel diminished. I want them to feel confident, to make
their own decisions and empowered. Right, so I want to
avoid eldersp So, Okay, I can keep talking.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Isn't isn't it even true that when you use the
term silver tsunami, is that not also ages?

Speaker 4 (35:39):
It sounds like a disaster, right, It sounds terrible. Ken Diykwald,
who is really a wonderful pioneer in aging, calls it
an age wave.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
His company is called age Wave, So the wave can
be good. Right.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
So yeah, So, so the words that we're using are
having a major impact. I mean, we talked about even
the world old by itself. We have all these negati
of computations. We have agism in our institutions, in our
policies and our laws, we still have a lot of
mandatory retirement ages. We still have health research gaps where
studies are done on diseases that impact originals without order

(36:16):
goals being in the study. So that's institutional agism.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
We don't have these real estate.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
We don't have a national accessibility standard for residential housing.
We have accessibility standards for commercial we have ADA. We
have accessibility regulations in the FAHA. That's for multifamily, that's
for multiplexes and things like that. But you're buying out,
you're building a private home, do whatever you want. In
a way, that's okay. In a way, there really should

(36:45):
be some standard accessibility feet. There should be a standard
accessibility of language and codes in residential homes. It should
be the default. So I think that that's agism, and
you know, that's a big change. We can do it
through collaborating and talking and policy, but that's.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
A big thing that I think is really needed.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Because we don't know what an accessible home is, even
though we might see it advertised. It could be anything,
you know, because just because someone in a wheelchair used
to live there doesn't mean that it's an accessible home.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Okay, So let's see if so now we're down to
the other.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Ageism in media, ideological agism in society. The assumption that
aging is decline is all around us. It's getting better,
but it's still pretty bad. We still see older adults,
you know, mostly we see them the pharmacy ads, and
we see them, you know, you know, maybe they're walking
hand in hand on the beach and a life insurance

(37:39):
act or something like that. It's getting better, but actually
AARP did a study where showing older adults with family
members is going down. Multi Generational representation is going down
in the media, even though in the reality, in the
real world, more older adults are finding it better to
do multi generational living and that's on the rise. So again,

(38:00):
when we talk about customizing the way you age, I
think that representation is really important. If people don't see
the options, if media isn't supporting what the real options
are and what people are finding useful, then you're cutting
off the option for people who might not be aware.
And so that's another form of ages in society, how

(38:23):
we're portraying the media and how that impacts everybody.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, some of us were talking this last weekend at
the Certified Senior Advisor's Conference about things like product models
in the media, and just as we talk about sometimes
when they're older people, then they're people that are or
they have a cane, or they have a wheelchair or

(38:47):
they have a walker. We don't use enough of people
who are older being over let's just say over sixty five.
I think older is over seventy five or eighty five,
but that we don't see that. But in fact, the
majority of people in our society in another five years
are going to be older, right, We're going to be

(39:08):
older than we are younger.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
And that's the reality.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
And there's so much that and there's nothing wrong with it,
and that I think is something we just yeah, well,
I don't want to use the word criminal or not criminal,
but it certainly there's all.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
These in a little lingerie industry and all these other
industries have a lot to gain from marketing and involving
older adults in their product development and marketing.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I'm going to put it out here on this call,
I said this week, I'm going to call Sarah Blakely,
who created spanks. I'm going to talk to her about this.
So I'm putting it out there. Sarah Blakely, if you're
listening to this, let's talk about it.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Let's do it well, you know, I mean, it's it's
it's the most diverse demographic, it's the most heterogeneous demographic,
the sixty five plus.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
So I'm sure there's plenty.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
And there's even within the lingerie wearing older, there's a
variety of different lingeries they're wearing.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
So you know, we need to take a look at
the details.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Anyway, not about the launder absolutely absolutely, anyway, absolutely so,
where where else does mine does age set ages? Excuse me,
come up that we could make a difference. Can you
give example of maybe a word that that or phrase
that harms people, or a better one that we could

(40:27):
use instead we've mentioned several of them. Where else do
you see it in everyday life that we could we
could make a difference.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I could, Yeah, there's you know, I work a lot
in the community.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I just I noticed it a lot.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I mean when people say, say I was someone was
giving a presentation and they were talking to the member
of the audience. Oh sure, yeah, so what's your name?
And if you don't mind asking how old are you?
If you don't mind my asking how old are you?
So in a way, that's like we know that we
don't want to agees is a negative and something maybe

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you're not proud of sharing.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
We don't want to share. Its too private. So those
kinds of things were we don't even realize we're.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Saying it, you know, or or just you know, just
the things I'm too old for that, or you know,
it's just what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (41:17):
You're too old for that? Who says you know?

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Or so I mean, it's just the little things the
senior moment. I hear way too much, or I'm dating
myself when I say.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
This, what do you mean by that? Or or you
look great for your age? No, you look great, you know?

Speaker 4 (41:38):
And the thing about not just saying I don't want
to just end it with here's the things that I
hear that are bad.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
How do you respond when you hear them?

Speaker 4 (41:46):
And I've read some recommendations on that, and it's to
respond like a scientist, not a judge.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
If someone says you look great for your age, you
don't say, well, that's interesting. You say well that's interesting.
You don't say, how dare you say that? That's ages?
You say, well, that's what makes you say that? Do
you think? You know? Let's let's see where I got
that impression and so there are ways to this.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Last weekend again at CSA, there was a booth where
everyone could write their name on a card and hold
it up in front of you.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Embrace age, right, your age, your age? Yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I have to say I didn't feel like I wanted
to do that, so I just put what level.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I put what level I was in.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh, really, you didn't want to do it, even you,
And I.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Think that if I was, because I think if I do,
then people will feel differently about me. And that's one
of the reasons that we created this show with this title,
was because we people have come up to me so
often and said how old are you?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
How old are you?

Speaker 1 (42:50):
And I want and I honestly felt that if I
told them my age, they would think differently of me.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Well, I guess that's true.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
It'd be great if we were you know, like when
we say we don't see color, of course we see color.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
We just want to see past it as well. But
of course I mean our age. I mean, we wouldn't
be who we are.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
And I don't think that if I if I wasn't
in this biz, in this space, I don't know that
I would be so open with how old I am?

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I am scared of aging? Yeah, I am.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
I'm about to be sixty in less right now rights perspective,
you say, oh wow, that's so much. You're so young,
right And I have a better perspective of being sixty
because of what I'm doing and what I'm making myself
aware of. But it's still you can't deny an escape.
Like I said, you can't deny an escape that death

(43:42):
we're gonna it's freaking scary. But while we're here, there
are assets of maturity to look forward to. There is,
And if I can jump into a kind of a
positivity effect kind of way of looking at life to
balance out this this this reality of chronic disease and
laws and impending brutality, is that as we grow older,

(44:03):
as people age, they focus more on positive than negative information,
We naturally are going to have a more positive outlook.
And if we can maintain our positive age beliefs, studies
in over ten countries have shown that if we maintain
positive AIG beliefs, we stand to live seven and a
half years longer.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Than if we equated aging with loss and decline. So
it's in our best interest to go with our nature
and to open our eyes to the assets of maturity
and the people that are doing the positive work and
are saying the positive things about what we have to
look forward to. You know, I could run you know,
you could run down a few names of Louise Aronson
who you mentioned, Susan Wilner Golden who wrote Stage not Age,

(44:44):
Janette Learity who wrote.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Agent Sideways, Ashton Appleway. I said, Louise Aronson. You know,
I could go on and on. There's just a lot
of wonderful things. If you open your eyes to it,
you might actually start, you know, making those proactive changes.
When you believe there's some del forward to, you're more
likely to make the changes that are allow you to
get there.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
So that's what I like to say.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, yeah, And I would like to hear that from
you as well as well. When you sit down with
a family who just feels overwhelmed, they don't know where
to start, I know, they should make some changes, either
for their parents or for themselves. How do you how
do you help them get over their fears and and
find a way for their path forward.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Well, I think that it's just.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
There's there, there are options, there are resources and hopefully
they have some time, but usually there's not a lot
of time. But usually the first step is someone just
saying where do I start right and they're not ready
to hire me. They just want a few resources and
I'm happy to give them. And usually that seems to
be a great deal what they need, and sometimes there's plenty.

(45:55):
But usually the first thing is say, you know, you
kind of have to work around a little bit about
resource they financial resources, a little bit about relationships with
the family, family dynamics. Of course, sometimes it's recently it
was the daughter in law and she kind of had
a wall.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
She wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
A lot, but the husband was like, and I don't
know how to do this, and the parents were setting up,
so you kind of have to start small. And usually
the first thing I say is that the local area
agency on aging is a one stop shop. There are
no wrong door kind of organization, a nonprofit. There's been
some policy changes in our world and so there are

(46:34):
some impacts fiscally.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Financially with some of these places.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
But usually there's someone to pick up the phone and
to help you figure out where you might find some support,
like somebody and you know, I have a few people
in my local area that I can recommend as people
that provide some sort of home care or people that
provide placement.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
And so as you are as a senior home coach.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
You're kind of a hub of information and so can
refer them to people who can help them.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
And so we are.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah, but if you're overwhelmed, it's really the first you know,
what was the first thing?

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Is the main resource?

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Is it the area agency on aging or is it
the senior placement person who's going to be the first
person that they really solve their major question.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
And also if it's.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
Another thing that I've admired, Yeah, I was just gonna say,
if it's not local, further to the National Aging and
Place Council, and I would go into my digital role
index of people across the country.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Certainly, certainly, and we do have resources across the country
for anyone who's listening. Even another thing that I admire
about you is your involvement and your knowledge of age tech.
Technology is moving so fast, transforming lives and transforming age tech.
So can you share one of one innovation that you're
excited about that could help people live longer and better

(48:01):
at home.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
Yeah, And I'm gonna say that I'm excited about it,
but it doesn't mean that it doesn't have You know,
age tech is in tech, and the thing that people,
most people are worried about is the privacy factor. So
I think that there's some age tech that really addresses that,
and that there are it's called remote monitoring systems.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
And or ambient AI.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
So you know, there are sensors that you can put
around your home that are not cameras, that emit radio
waves or other kinds of technology that learn the patterns
of the person or people in the home, and so
over time relatively short period of time, they learn the
patterns when do they get up, when do they use refrigerator,
when do they get their paper, whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
It is, and they can detect falls.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
So if the patterns are amiss or something is an
aberration in the pattern, then you have the app that
goes to the caregiver, the family member, all those people
in the words. Though it also can monitor it can
monitor your heartbeat, it's that sensitive, but it doesn't take
a picture. So those kinds of things are humongous in

(49:09):
terms of peace of mind for the adult child of
the aging parent and the aging parent who wants to
be left alone, you know, and doesn't want to be
bug and there you know, these things can even there's
something called future care, I think, and it can even
you can time how long you usually stay in the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Well, I don't know that I want that feature. So
you can customize that stuff, you can take that stuff off.
So there's there's there's the the remote patient, the remote
moderate systems.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
A lot of them are just in community settings, but
some of them are coming into the home setting.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
There's wonderful age tech in terms of social connection. There
are several platforms if you have access to technology, which
is another subject, something called the loop village, which is its.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
You know, I've been in a book club for thirty
something years and it's been in person, and now I've.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Moved an hour away, and another one in.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Our book group has moved to the East coast and
we get together on zoom and it's not as good
as a person, but it's fantastic and we still have
that we still connect.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
And so if you're in a loop village and.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
You you know you're living alone, and you know you're
an older adult and maybe you're in a rural situation,
you can join a Loop Village, and they do have
a book club on there, and they have cooking you
can sit and have lunch.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
With the people at the same time you coordinate that, and.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
They also have classes, and they also have travel where
someone is in Portugal with.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
A camera and says, hey, everybody.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Come with me, you know, and so so those are
wonderful things to keep people connected with each other and
with the world. And it's not the only one. There's
something called Thrive Pavilion in which you need to buy
the Oculus glasses. So that's an expense and so that's
not available that not everybody can do that.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
But in terms of wonderful.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Yeah, I mean there are so many. I mean, the
age Chechi and fall prevention is really fantastic.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
There's even something called the Nobean lamp that's a lamp
that the text falls. You know, it looks like.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
A lamp, but it sends out a float radio waves.
And there are also systems that are closed loop systems,
so you don't have to worry about it beaming up
to wherever cyberspace. It's just within your home. So those
are sort of high tech age tech. If you want
to talk about the low tech, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
If our listeners and our viewers today remember one idea
or message from our conversation, what would you want that
to be and why?

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Well, I think that I would like to mention that
we need to embrace a new new narrative for agent,
a new paradigm for agent, because the one we have
now is an ARC. We're born as babies down here
repeak even before we get to midlife, and that it's
all declined until the end. Now, that's outdated, that's ages,

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that's discriminatory, and that's not true. Actually, our live spaan
follows a U curve, not an ark. It's a U
curve of happiness. We're actually happiest.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
It's a smile.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
We're actually happiest at the earliest and at the latest
stages of life. So there's something to look forward to.
We're born super happy. We all know that babies were
giggling all the time, are having a great time no
matter what happens. And in mid life we have the
most angst and work hardest, and we feel least in control.
But as we get towards the end of our lives,
if we can hang on and have a positive outlook,

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if we have a positive outlook, and we plan, and
we do the whole modifications for aging place, we're going
to reach that peak smile, which we might not even
reach until our seventh decade. So keep chugging along, look forward,
balance it out. That's what I'm going to say.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Well, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
What struck me the most in today's conversation is that,
first of all, that aging in place isn't just about
adding grab bars. I learned that from Eve a long
time ago, or rearranging your furniture. It's about rethinking how
we view aging as itself. Eve has reminded us that
the design of our homes, the technology we use, and
even the language we choose, and the way that we

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think can empower us to live with more independence, joy
and dignity. So if you're thinking about your own future
or helping a loved one, take this as a nudge.
Start planning now, start small, but a love all above all,
customize the way you age, because you can, you have control,
You can customize the way that you age. Stay tuned

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with us for next week's always Ageless, and if you
have any questions, be sure to enter those email us
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we will continue bringing you stories, solutions and inspiration for

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living your life, the very best life at any age,
and to always be ageless.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Thank you very much, Eve, He'll for joining us today.
We're so glad to have you.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Oh, thank you fantastic. It was a pleasure. Thanks for
having me