013: 5x03, Miss Me, Kiss Me, Love Me

Would you trust a big butt and smile? Not if they belonged to Bugsy Siegel! Noir shenanigans ensue as we discuss bad American accents, obvious femme fatales, and our karaoke go-tos.

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Solutions/People:
- Adopt 1940s noir lingo.
- “Never trust a big butt and smile.”
- Ray’s cop face.
- The one good cop in Los Angeles.
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Episode Transcript

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So do you have a go tokaraoke song, like if you had to
cause a distraction. I don't lovea go to. I have a karaoke
playlist that gets a workout in thecar most days on the way home,
So I have a few karaoke staples. Okay, So I want to say,

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we need you to cause a distraction. What do you say? Um,
I believe in the thing called loveby the darkness? Okay, great,
Yeah, going for it as longas you know, as long as
I feel I can that day,Good Vibrations by Marky Mark in the Funky
Bunch. Wow, Okay, greatgo to. I love that that Ava
seemingly had poison in her back pocket. Yeah, just just right there.

(00:43):
It must have been programmed in thereby Rip. Maybe Rip was a fan.

(01:07):
Welcome back to always hold on toDC's Legends of Tomorrow. I'm co
Captain Matt true X, and Ijust cut out a cough from my other
co captain. Hi. I'm TriciaAnds, and I am sick. You
are hanging in there as best youcan. Yes, We've already delayed recording
this podcast by a week because Ihad no voice last week. So I'm
powering through this week with this voice, and now you've got like a nice

(01:30):
heavy smoker drag queen Ursula of theSea witch thing going yeah yeah, or
like Cebe Buffet and that one episodeof Friends. Yes, exactly, So
there will be occasional coughing. Iam so sorry that this thing is still
taking you down. Oh yeah,but I'm like way better than I was
last week, so that's good.This week we are talking about season five,
episode two, miss Me, kissMe, Love Me. It aired

(01:53):
February fourth, twenty twenty. Whichit's always weird when we do these like
later seasons where it's like, oh, that was like not that long ago,
that was recently and just pre pandemic. Yeah, it's crazy because this
this season ended during the pandemic.Yeah, but they had already shot the
whole thing. Yeah, yeah,so it was it was written by our
good friend Ray turnash it and couldgettis our good friend. Well, we've

(02:15):
we had so many episodes that arewritten by him already. So it was
directed by David Getties and you haveit in here as ratings of point seven
seven. I assume that's million.Yes, yeah, like from from season
five on basically like there's no there'sno good to be gleaned from the ratings.
The only rating this year that crackeda million was the Crisis episode,

(02:39):
which was just the previous episode.So seeing it down, it was two
episodes ago. Oh you're right,Oh I have it is five out two.
I met five O three. I'msorry, Yeah, that's what was
throwing me off. But I butalso, like production wise, I know
it was five O two because theydidn't shoot Crisis until like episode eight or
nine this year, So it allgets a little confusing here. The numbers

(03:00):
jumble because the Crisis on Infinite EarthsPart five was episode one of the season
right of Legends. So this seasonof Legends technically starts with Meet the Legends,
the documentary episode with resputing, butit also technically started the episode before
with the last episode of Crisis,which honestly, I think I prefer that
like it's starting the season rather thanbeing episode seven. Yeah, I agree,

(03:23):
So that like the fallout is therest of or none at all,
because Infinite Earths had like minimal effecton Legends. Yeah, It's it's weird
because then you know what is technicallyfive h two Meet the Legends when they're
super famous, You think that they'regoing to fold Crisis into it a little
bit, and they do with likeSarah coming home and stuff, but like
their theme is directly from heyworld,not from the fact that all this just

(03:49):
happened too, you know. Likeit is interesting to me though, because
I think Crisis is the last thingBrandon Routh shot for the Arrowverse, you
know, you know regular we cameback for the hundredth but like I think
that's his aunt. Like I feellike they already shot Romeo VI Julie had
by then. M Yeah, probablyI don't. I don't actually know.

(04:09):
No, yeah, we'll have toinvestigate that whenever the Dice decide we do.
So we're talking about miss Me,kiss Me, Love Me, which
is kind of still in the resetpart of this season. Yes, last
episode we got introduced to the resciuteand things, so this is when we
call them encres. So these areyou know, people who are are being
sent back. But before we getto that, do you want to do
the team rundown? Yes? Please. We've got Sarah and Ava. Ava

(04:32):
now a solid member of the teamthough, though you know, finding her
footing throughout this episode. Constantine,Mick Rory, Nate bay Rod, and
then first ever appearance of Zari twopoint zero in in full two point zero
mode. We also have like,well, Astra's here but not quite a

(04:54):
legend yet, but she is obviouslya big part of the plot for season
five. And then uh, youknow Lord not seen in this episode.
Charlie and Nora. Yeah, theyare both not picture They did not come
for picture Day. Yes they they'reboth on the team this season, but
they're not here right now. LikeNora's off Fairy Godmothering. Um, She's

(05:19):
in the next episode, and thenum, a couple other episodes this season,
and then she goes away and comesback as Marie Antoinette a couple of
times. Um. And then mCharlie is just not there for a little
while because they they're sort of likeresetting the Charlie side of things as well,
because this is the season where wefind out she's actually a fate,
she's not just a shape shifter.Right. There is a well we don't

(05:42):
have time to get into that,but there is so much in this show
of like, actually I was ofthis thing, oh you know yeah,
yeah, yeah, of like thatthat happens with Gary like twice, right,
that's what I mean. Yeah,yeah, yeah, So so this
season, like I said, it'sall about the Encores at least for now,
like it the first like half ofthe season is and then it becomes
about the loom of fate and thefates um And it turns out it's funny.

(06:05):
Do we deal with encores once thefaith thing starts going? No,
we deal with them only in thesense that like at the end in Thong
song, like the Marie Antoinette andthe Sure although those people in the displays
of the Museum of Bad Ideas thatlike they come back there. But once

(06:28):
Astra is no longer sending people backto Earth, it stops being about Encores
and entirely becomes about the Fates andlike her relationship to them and the loom
of fate and Charlie. And Ithink that's when the season really kicks off.
I agree. And the fact thatthey wrap Charlie into it and they
keep even though they get rid ofthat kind of mcguffin, they keep um
Astra involved in the fate stuff becauseof her look relationship with Kess. It's

(06:50):
a cool idea, right, whichis it is funny because like it's in's
interesting that the season I think getsbetter once it becomes a fetch quest again,
um, which this show is justvery good at fetch quests. And
it's fun to kind of Carmen sandiego through time and then find Stop Vienna.
Yeah, so I love Carmen sandiegoing through time. So the Encores

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are damned souls that Astra is sendingback to Earth to Recavic. Basically,
she wants to be the Queen ofHell. She stole a bunch of soul
coins last season and is sending themback to Earth because anyone they kill or
corrupt is a soul that she nowowns. Right, So the Legends are
now back to being their own masters. Like season one ended with them killing
the Time Masters, so then seasontwo like they were the masters of their

(07:33):
own fate, and then season threethe Time Bureau shut up, so now
they had to answer to the TimeBureau. On season four ended with hay
World everything going nuts, and wefind out in the previous episode to this
one that the Time Bureau was shutdown by the Senate because of hijinks.
So Ava is now a full timeLegend on board the ship, which I

(07:56):
think you mentioned earlier, because shedoesn't have a job anymore, and she's
just super well thanks for asking everybody. Yeah, she's she's doing fine.
It's fine. Um. And thenmeanwhile, this episode is like packed full
of stuff. Yeah. Meanwhile,Nate discovered at the end of the last
episode a prerecorded message from Zari onepoint zero pre time blip saying like find

(08:18):
me blah blah blah. I don'tknow what happened, which I guess she
recorded like right before she left theship to go heyworld, like like paused
when she saw that Nate was dying, Yeah, right, to send a
message. Maybe she did it whenwhen like beforehand, because she was worried
maybe it wouldn't work right when shewas just stewing on the ship waiting to
see what was going to go.Yeah, because I feel like she wouldn't

(08:41):
have paused seeing a possibly dead Nate. Yeah great, especially did like do
a take or two of this,you know, like, yeah, nobody
does this in one take. Andthen right at the end of the last
episode, constantine Um traveled to Hellto confront Astra and literally the grossest way
possible, yes, consuming a jarof respute and gou and it was so

(09:03):
nasty. I mean, it works, it's very funny but oh so disgusting
yep, which is why our grossmagic square on our bingo board is the
respute and jars, yes, whichwe get in this episode. We get
the eye. Like, um,so, yeah, there's a lot of
set up because this is like thebeginning of the season, so you have
to like understand what went down inthe last season. But we're in nineteen

(09:26):
forty seven LA this week. Yeah, we do. We've gotten a lot
of these like Noirri episodes. Ithink we're like top of the podcast here.
We're like frontloading all the mob stuff, right, yeah exactly. I
feel like noither one of us reallycares that much about mobs. But it's
also like let's get into it becauselike we're in a detective novel again like
you said it, but like yeah, um, the encore this week is

(09:48):
Benjamin Bugsy Siegel, who was areal guy. But like I don't know
fucking shit about this guy, likeyou know, like I know the name,
but it's not like Capone where I'vegot right, I'm on record as
not interested in al Capone. Atleast I've got like bullet points in my
head. Bugsy Seagull is a guythat like you don't just know him off

(10:09):
hand if you don't know anything aboutmob stuff. But if you know about
moths stuff, you know about Bugsyseagull. Okay, because he was like
a big he's a big wig.Um, school me once again, please.
So he was he started in NewYork. He was part of the
Jewish mob. But you didn't knowthere was a Jewish mob. I didn't
also the Italian mob in New York, so he was he was close with

(10:31):
like the head of one of thebiggest mob families in New York. Okay,
who also ran crime in my areain Massachusetts. Um, and so
like, forgive me for thinking thatwould be the Irish mob, but okay,
uh no, the western Massachusetts isthe Italian mob as well as the
Irish. Yeah you'd think, butum. Anyway, so he was big

(10:56):
in the Jewish and Italian mob scenes. But he also like moved around a
lot. He started in New York, he went to Chicago of course.
Um. And then he became abootlegger like everybody. And then after prohibition
ended, he was like, oh, well, I can't make my illegal
money by being a bootlegger, soI'll just be a hitman instead. Oh

(11:20):
you know, you gotta pivot sometimesin your career, and that shows that
shows strength and ingenuity really really justbeing able to, you know, pick
a new path, you know,when your old one becomes obsolete. Um,
he really liked murdering people, likehe really, you know, there's
apparently a story and I'm getting thisfrom the internet, so you know,

(11:41):
grain of salt, salt like whatever. Oh, none of this is firsthand.
Oh no, no that I didn't. I'm not a I'm not a
friends. But um, there's apparentlya story where he went to Italy and
he like hung out with Mussolini andhe met gobals. Oh my god,
who if you don't know, wasHitler's propagandia and of Jewish So he's hanging

(12:05):
out with gobels, like I thinkthis was pre um World War two,
there's like thirties and he just offeredto kill him. What do you mean
offered to kill him? He basicallywas like, anybody want me to kill
this guy because I'd like to killthis guy, but I need to read.
Oh he offered to kill gobels.He offered to kill gobles someone else,
like another Nazi. He basically hehated the Nazis, but he was

(12:26):
totally cool with Musolini. Um,okay, you can be a fascist as
long as you're Italian. Yeah.Yeah, so he like offered to kill
gobels like okay, and no onetook him up on it. How different
the world could have been? Wow? Um. So eventually he moved out
to LA and was like a bigwig out there. And what's crazy to
me is that so many like famouspeople were just friends with mobsters in La.

(12:50):
Yeah, like Clark Gable was oneof his friends. Well, I
mean, like he goes to likeeven Frank Sinatra was good friends with them.
You know, like like he's awell known mob hit man. He
brags about murdering people, and you'rehanging out with I don't, oh,
bugs guess a cod I mean,I guess maybe you hang out with the

(13:11):
mob hitman, so hopefully he doesn'thit man you, But I guess I
guess when. Also, this allsucks, let's be care But like when
when you're in a time where thereis so much corruption in the police force
that it's like, well, actuallythe safest thing to be is the hitman's
friend. You know, Like Iguess I get if you're rich and connected
and stuff, but I mean likethere's a reason that this is taking place,

(13:35):
you know, in Hollywood at thetime, because like Hollywood was very
correct too, and studio heads werefriends with gangsters and had bookie problems and
all that. You know, likethere's so many great stories about that,
which is where we get stuff likethis and all the great Ellie Noir and
yeah, yeah, Chinatown which mayor may not get referenced in this episode
a completely may or. So anyway, he was murdered in nineteen forty seven.

(13:58):
He was shot to death in hisgirlfriend's apartment. Is girlfriend being Virginia
Hill, who we also meet inthis episode. Um, And that is
also why the episode is set innineteen forty seven in Los Angeles, and
why the hell weapon is a gun? Is a gun? This is the
first Hell weapon, is it not? This is the first Hell weapon?
Because the thing at the beginning ofthe episode is that Sarah was saying,

(14:20):
like, well, until we finda way we can kill these guys,
we're just gonna have to house themon the ship. And then we're gonna
need a bigger pantry, bigger pantry. Yeah yeah, um yeah, So
like the I guess they establish itenough in this episode. I remember it
like really becoming a thing with someof the later encores. But but yeah,
I guess they talk to it well, like, um, like Genghis
Khan's sword becomes a thing, andlike Genghis khan sword is what I remember

(14:45):
the most of them. And thenthey pick up a bunch of hell weapons
when they're looking for the piece ofthe loom, the last piece of the
loom, and like they're all stuckin sort of like a and they go
to that, like the enchantress islike, yeah, realm or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, andthat that almost spooky hotel bread and breakfast
situation. Yeah, well Constantine's housebut yeah, oh that's is that what

(15:05):
it was? Yeah, it's justlike an alternate Constant's house anyway. Okay,
so I have to say, bythe way, I feel like I've
got my usual dumb voice and you'vegot like this actually great MPR thing going.
It's nice. I think it's anice. It's it's a totally like
we have very different dynamics today justbecause of how sick you are. But

(15:26):
I'm enjoying it. She coughs intoa sleep, happy to be entertaining while
also dying. Um So this episodeis basically a noir film USh detective novel,
and that's super interesting noir film.I'm gonna be honest, No,
it's really not. It's so boring. Yeah, the all of the gangster

(15:46):
now our stuff with Constantine I donot care about I don't care about it
either. But again, at leastthe show this isn't the greatest episode of
the series, but at least they'rethey know, like, we have to
spice these scenes up and have careto fun with it, which is where
we get you know, Ray ashe's he's got a cop face or whatever,
and him like just instantly going intoit. Yes, you're right,

(16:08):
lieutenant, blah blah blah bah,well and he immediately says, thanks,
yeah, right, where are youyou? Literally you went to mob infested
Chicago and we're confused that the copswere all on the take, and now
you're in mob infested Los Angeles andyou're confused that all the cops are on
the take. I don't understand.The memory flashers have some real side effects,
you know, like that's that's justhappening here. He's just too nice.

(16:30):
He thinks that everyone is good deepdown, and yes, yeah,
yeah, but we get him,we get you get assistant Sarah and then
gossip Rag columns Sarah Lance, whoknows all the linko from this time.
Somehow she's watched a lot of movies. That must be it, right.
I feel like Sarah when when shewas a kid she and her dad watched
a lot of new our films.It's that or like the translators in their

(16:53):
ears can somehow like brings feeding herline exactly. Not only can we translate
you know, Russian, but wecan also do in ninety and fortys gangster
talk. The biggest thing though,so like obviously we start at a pi's
office, um, because you gotto start there, Webbin more because they
he of what is it? Constantsays it's a uh infernal essence or something,

(17:18):
oh igneous infernum. No, no, no, he literally says the
phrase like an infernal essence or aninfernal something, not igneousan fernum. Initially
like it's it's like I'm picking upa hell scent, Okay, and it's
it's then it's the pile of ashesand yes he's yeah, yeah, this
magic spell that he's that is smellingthings out. I guess pretty yes,

(17:44):
which is fun again disgusting and grossmagic um and so like afore, we
start in the pi's office and thenof course immediately we get the silhouette on
the back of the door and it'sa it's a girl, and of course
no one thinks, hey, maybeshe's a fem fatale. Yeah, despite
the fact that she's introduced in asilhouette and a hat and a gun,
you know, and she's the gangstersmall like come up, Yes, you'd

(18:07):
think it would be a thing wherelike Ray falls for her and John's like
no, no, no, no, no, no, You're gonna get
her. But no, it's theother way around. So Constantine's accent,
I need to talk about this,please have the floor purpose. I don't
know, because I've never seen MattRyan do another. I don't think I
have either American accent unless he didit in like the Constantine Show. And

(18:32):
I'm like, you know, forlike this type of thing and getting it.
I think it's very funny that it'sbad. I think it's very funny
that it's bad too. And itis bad, yeah, and not bad
in like he keeps slipping on certainwords kind of way bad in a like
it's just weird it's just kind ofa ricky America and time really a little
bit of the quality of its HarrySarah, Yeah exactly. I'm just like,

(18:56):
oh, geez, okay, Ithink he's a better actor than this
accent. I choose. I wouldimagine that this is a choice on his
part, that John just hasn't donemuch dialect work, you know, considering
later in the episode. Uh,Genie, I think is how she goes
um is like, you know,you're not You're not fooling me with that

(19:18):
Yankee accent. Yeah, I'm goingright into it, you know. Yeah
exactly, So I'm gonna go withuh that that's what it is. It's
on purpose, yeah, I butagain, it's fun character stuff to just
like throw in there quickly. Andagain see these now seasoned legends just think
on their feet, you know,Like Ray just goes right into the thing.

(19:41):
Sarah was a little pissed off aboutbeing the secretary, but but understands,
you know that that's the that's thetime we're in that type of thing.
So let's run through this storyline,Okay, yes, please as quickly.
What's the girlfriends as quickly as wecan. So, first of all,
like I said, before Genie VirginiaUm hell was a real person.
She was Buggsy's actual girlfriends um andno, no, no, she was

(20:04):
um. So they had an affairinitially when he was still married and then
he got divorced and then they weretogether for a few years. Um.
She was a real person. Butshe lived until the sixties. Um.
She didn't die obviously in a carfire, that's an invention of this episode.
Um. But she did flee toEurope four days before Bugsy was killed
in her apartment. Wow. Sothere are people who believe that she had

(20:27):
a hand or at least she knewhe was going to get sure either got
tipped off or or helped or helpedplanet Yeah yeah interesting. Um. So
that I think ties into sort ofher fum fatale like thing in this episode
that like maybe she had something todo with it. So she didn't witness
it again um, like she saysin this episode, but she fled to

(20:48):
Europe right before, and some peoplethink that she might have um, might
have had a hand in it.Um. But yeah, she's our our
fum fatale of the episode. Soshe acts like she's, you know,
this damsel in distress, but actuallyobviously fan fatle so that that brings up
this question for me or I guessthis observation for me. Constantine savior complex

(21:12):
interesting. Okay, it's interesting tome because it's different than Ray's savior complex,
but not that different. I mean, so, like, let's let's
talk about the biggest one obviously isAstra, which also plays into this episode.
Right, So, like, Imean, I think that his savior
complex with Genie is entirely based onthe fact that he feels like he failed

(21:33):
astray from her because I feel responsible. But when you think about like the
stuff that he does with Dez tooin the previous season, like if he
feels so so Ray wants to savepeople because he thinks people are inherently good,
Constantine wants to save people because hethinks he's a fuck up. Yes,

(21:56):
that they are suffering. It isa is a belief in himself that
he fights and deals with throughout thisepisode that he is not enough, he
is not worthy of the things,and when he has things that he loves
or values in a certain way,it's his fault when they go to hell.
In some cases quite literally, theyare it is his fault when they

(22:17):
go to hell. But right,so like he has two ways of dealing
with Either he runs away before hecan screw it up, which is what
Sarah does, or he does whathe has a tendency to do, which
is burn everything down. Yes,like where he will like the whole thing
that legends of to Miamia, whicheventually will get to that episode, which
is amazing, where like, itdoesn't matter what else he screws up as

(22:42):
long as he fixes this main thingthat he screwed up. Right right,
there's the blinders on for the repercussionsof what he's doing, which becomes the
genesis of this entire season, Likeit doesn't matter what he has to do
to fix what he did to Astra, even though he didn't do anything,
like it was an accident, andthen everything that happened in hell was other

(23:02):
people doing it to her. Itgets way more like he'ses his fault how
she turned out than it is his. Sure, but I understand that guilt,
No, no, I understand it, And I'm just saying that he
isn't as guilty as he thinks heis, and he'll burn anything down to
get it, Like he'll do whateverneeds to be done, screw the consequences.

(23:25):
We're going to recreate the loom offate. That'll go really well.
He ruins reality multiple times, tryingto fix problems that he trying to fix
him accidentally banishing people to help.So anyway, that's totally what he is.
He's kind of happiest when he's gotsomething to be upset about, you
know, right, like so andthat plays end later like he can't just

(23:45):
be happy, right because he hasto go do other things. If if
he's happy, he's not content,which are two different things. But I
think that that this thing with Jeaniein this episode is sort of like a
microcosm of that whole thing, Likehe feels responsible for what's happening to her
now, so damn it all,I'm going to do whatever it takes to
save her. And then he endsup not saving her right and then but

(24:07):
then his reaction is still to dothe same thing of like, all right,
well, I'm going to store mentto hell and and you know,
shoot through the guards and tell hertheir their hell weapon to do it right
now? Yeah, like it,damn the consequences, I'm going to use
up the Hell weapon exactly. We'renot going to have it anymore and that's
it. Like and also apparently likehis screw up in this episode affects the

(24:29):
real timeline, which is interesting.Yeah, I guess Jeanie didn't do anything
too important after that. I don'tbelieve so. I think her most significant
contribution was being like part of gangsterlife. Yeah, it was was knowing
or not knowing about Bugsy's eventual assassination. Yeah, assassination feels broad. I
think it's murder, but yeah,murder, Yeah it feels grand. Probably

(24:52):
another mob hit, you know,yeah yeah, yeah, probably a rival
family whatever. Okay, can Italk about my dumb observation yet learn So
Jeanie, you know, it's ina car and explodes and that's how she
dies in this episode, and Rayis upset about it, and John has
the line, you know, it'snot worth it, right, it's it's
burbank, And I'm like, asas serious as both of these characters,

(25:18):
you want us to believe that bothof these characters think this scene is this
is a weird moment to throw outthe most obvious line, you know,
like it just it felt so obviously. A lot of the show thrives on
being incongruous, but in that moment, I was like, oh, I
don't think that tone meshes quite well. Here's Yeah, it felt almost like

(25:40):
they wanted to make a Burbank jokemore. They wanted to like and the
scene seriously like yeah, Chinatown thingand show the similarities and it's like we
get it right. It's it's almostlike they wrote the joke and needed to
find a place to put it.Yeah. Because also it's not the like

(26:00):
the car doesn't blow up in Chinatown, you know, And that's the main
problem, you know what I mean, Like it's it's not like it's a
one to one comparison thing too,like to your point of like, yeah,
they just kind of wanted to figureout a way to do this reference.
But it kind of felt at theat the detriment to the characters in

(26:21):
that one moment. Yeah, um, do you want to talk at all
about Ray's cop stuff? I thinkit's fun. Again, there's not too
much like the field mission in thisis not super interesting to me. Um,
he's he falls into being a cop. He's like, oh, I
guess I now that she thinks I'ma cop for some reason. They'll be

(26:41):
able to go to the police stationand figure things out. Um, he
doesn't really. It mostly keeps eyeson Bugsy. Yeah, and then like
falls into with a crowd of copsthat he thinks are good, but of
course they're kind of vigilantes and youknow, shitty people as well, so
it's all just like kind of Iguess it's fun for a second. He
gets in a death trap situation.They're they're going to frame him for what

(27:06):
they're trying to do with Bugsy andwhatnot, but it's just like it doesn't
really go anywhere, right, Itreally doesn't. It's just sort of there
to keep him, keep him alivein the story, and to move the
story forward. It's all plot related. Yeah. Hey, yeah, the
fun character stuff in this episode islike Ava and Mick dealing with but there
you know, not that Nick islike dealing with anything. But Ava thinks

(27:26):
Q being from the ship is ais a great you know, first role
to get right. Yeah. Um, I really like Ava and Mick as
a combo. Um, Like theyput them together sporadically throughout the series,
and it's just really funny every timebecause Mick is like he's not an Asian

(27:48):
of chaos at all, but heis belligerent and like he's the opposite of
her, Like he doesn't there areno rules for him. He's just like
whatever, and she's like binders Um. Yeah, but he does have that
thing of like he can see outsideof the group, Like he's got yeah,
a little awareness of how stupid allthis is at all times. Yeah.
I like him surprising her with likehe's like, She's like, you

(28:12):
wouldn't understand how I feel basically islike that you you still like run a
government agency and now you're stuck aslike a plus one on a time ship.
Like I get it, you knowgreat, Yeah, he does understand
it. He's not an idiot,right. I just like I like that
moment of like her realizing, ohhe does. He pays attention. He
used to just be a criminal toher, you know right, And and

(28:33):
he's also like to her, heis an idiot and honestly, like,
I think one of the best thingsabout putting Eva on the ship is that,
like she has to develop relationships withthe other legends. Yes, not
like deep ones or anything. It'sstill primarily Sarah, but like she gets
paired up with different people and theyhave to be able to trust her as

(28:55):
a co captain, as yeah,you know, and like they one of
the relationships they really bring out lateris with um fancy sorry mum, because
like we get that in the Branchthat episode, and then we also get
it in season six when Sarah's notthere and it's it's fun. I like,
I like that. I like thather off with different people now that

(29:15):
she's on the ship and there's thatopportunity to do it. But yeah,
she is. This whole episode isher sort of struggling to figure out where
she fits in um, whether shecan be useful. It is also just
like seeing them around, seeing herand Sarah around the console for the first
time, it's like, oh yeah, like they're not co captains yet,
but the seeds of that are startinghere, which is really nice, right,

(29:38):
and everyone kind of like respects herauthority in certain ways, like basically
as long as Sarah does, theydo. Yeah. I was gonna say,
like there is kind of the nicething too of like now Sarah,
Sarah is a capital C captain,you know, like they are listening to
her to the point where like Avarealizes like, oh I'm I'm in the
wrong spot at the moment, youknow, right, Well, like she

(30:00):
immediately is like, oh, sorry, honey, I think I'm in your
spot. Yeah, and I likeit. They they're not jealous of each
other or like mad at each other. She's just like Ava's just upset the
situation and Sarah's like, no,it's totally fine, don't worry about it.
Um, I have some things foryou to do. The one thing
is like that I was thinking aboutis keeping from the ship. Isn't just

(30:23):
sit here and do nothing like usuallyit's your our backup if we need it,
and it's we need someone to pullup some info or whatever, right,
and Ava is the one person whoI would trust to like actually be
ready. Yes, you needed heras backup, Like usually it's like you're
cue being from the ship, butlike they've gone off somewhere because they don't

(30:45):
think that this is important that they'veleft. When they've gone somewhere else in
the jump ship or whatever, andit's now there's no backup, Like how
many times does that happen? No, you're absolutely right, And there's part
of it that's like your part oracle, and your part like backup, right,
like you've got to be there toanswer the questions and at a moment's
notice jump into the fight. Meanwhile, in her drunken depression and told that

(31:08):
she has to cause some sort ofdistraction at the Blue Iguana, Ava takes
it upon herself to really kind ofliven the episode up for a second.
Let's be honest, Yeah, liventhem up definitely. I love. My
favorite thing about this is that Sarahasks her for a distraction and she just
jumps up and is like, Iknow exactly what I'm gonna do, and
then she just b lines into thestage. Yes. I like the reveal

(31:30):
of this too, where like whenwe cut back, she's in the middle
of a wonderful number and somehow backthe future style, you know, the
band knows what to play and thecrowd's loving it. Yeah, and the
backup singers are awesome. And thenof course we cut to the reality and
she's emptied the club because she's horrible. So she is singing singing quote unquote

(31:56):
U poisoned by Bell biv devot.But she's doing it in not the original
R and B style of the nineties, but in the big band style of
the nineteen forties, which is great. It reminds me a lot of postmodern
jukebox. If you're familiar with themon the internets. I am yes,
I went through like a phase withthem. UM. I forget who it

(32:16):
was that like they had one oftheir singers, which is for anyone that
doesn't know, they're a group thatthat rearranges current like modern music, pop
music in a nineteen thirties nineteen fortiesjazzy styles. All they'll do like creep
and it'll be like a lounge number, you know, they'll do like New
Orleans jazz or you know. Yeah. The one that always pops into my

(32:39):
head is when they did um,all about that bass, but they did
it as like a smooth jazz numberwith an upright bass, so it was
all about that. I don't rememberthat, but I can kind of hear
how that would go. That's fun. Um. Yeah, So check out
their videos if you haven't, Butit's very similar to this sort of idea.
UM. It's so fun. Butit is, not, of course,

(33:01):
Jess Mcallen's voice doing the singing.UM. It is a lovely singer
by the name of Lola Christine UM. Shout out to Lola. UM.
I don't know that I would haverealized that when I first watched or like
thought about that when I first watchedit, but it does make sense that,
like it's it's a perfectly fine cheatas far as I'm concerned, you

(33:22):
know, it's a perfectly fine cheat. That is also it's it's close to
her real voice, but it's reallyalso not at all her real voice,
so like you can kind of tellthat that's not her singing. And I
remember watching it for the first timeand being like, that can't be her
singing. It just it's wrong,it doesn't sound right. So I remember
looking it up. But she didan interview, umho Lola or Jess Jess

(33:47):
to an interview. UM, Idon't know she did it with comic book.
I feel like she probably did.Um but where she she talks about
like like that's definitely not my voice. Um, there's a point she said.
There's a point where I was like, I'll go in and record it
and try to hit the notes.She says, all I've ever wanted to

(34:07):
do is be a triple threat.I had voice lessons when I was a
kid. I was, I think, a pretty good dancer, and I
just wanted to be on Broadway.And I'm just not blessed with the voice.
I've always been in the chorus line, I'm in the chorus. I
can sing in the chorus and bein the background, but they gave me
my momentum. And so she sortof accepts that she's not a singer,
but she can act and she candance, so she'll do that instead.

(34:29):
And and they didn't ever tell herlike who the singing voice was, but
they did include this song. Theyfinally gave Lola herd on the Legends of
Tomorrow's soundtrack that they came out with. They realized they had enough like originals
and like other random songs to makea soundtrack that's mostly like songs. Like

(34:52):
it's not like score, it's songs. Oh, it's it's that soundtrack is
all song Like. I've got afew of the season soundtracks for the show
because I just do like the backgroundmusic and it's good like reading a comic
book music. Yeah, um,but yeah, I I it's embarrassing how
often that mixtape gets played for me, Like, I really love that so

(35:12):
fun album. Um, do youknow all the words to the real Dragon
Girl? I? I bet Icould get that. That might be a
go to karaoke to answer your earlierQUI, I love me myself and I
I love the Lord m Lord Knoxversion of it. Yeah. Um so

(35:35):
this this dovetails really nicely into ourship blog. Gee, who would you
like to talk about? Well,it's dovetails into the shiplog because I want
to talk about Sarah Eva m becauseI just think they're really cute in this
episode. They are and they're likethe like you said before, like it's
the beginnings of their co captaining andI like that. Um like when ah,

(35:57):
when Bugsy comes in and he's like, you know, some dame embarrassing
herself on the stage or whatever,and she's like, hey, she is
not a dame. That is mygirlfriend, and she's not embarrassing herself.
She's enjoying herself. And also withhis phone going yes she is, just
because like, I just think that'ssuper cute that you're like, it doesn't
matter what you sound like if you'rehaving fun. And I feel like that's

(36:21):
something that my girlfriend would do ifI was singing horribly karaoke, which I'm
sure I have done. And thenlater when you know, she's just like
she's just like being really cute withher even though she's being gross and drunken.
It's just it's adorable when they're backon the ship and she's kind of
taking care of her. Yeahh thatthat stuff is really nice. You're right,
there's no tension here, but that'sthat's that's good. Like, that's

(36:44):
what I like for these characters,Like Sarah just immediately recognizes like, oh,
I see where she is right now, you know, mentally, we'll
just take care of her. We'rein season five now, so like the
drama of Sarah Neva is over.There's no more drama for them, just
a couple. They're a solid couple, and I like that the show also

(37:05):
like shows that, so, like, you know, you're familiar with the
whole Moonlighting curse. You know,of course, this idea that if you
get your your I mean, thisdoesn't qualify for an ensemble show, but
um, but there's this idea thatif you get two characters together, they
become boring. If and if anyone'shappy, they're boring. And I like
that The show like keeps the dramaand the intensity in the early starts like

(37:27):
phase of their relationship, but oncethey're over that hump, like they're still
interesting and fun. Even though there'sno drama in the relationship. There's drama
outside of the relationship. I saidthis on Lowis and clarked many times.
But I'm like, if you can'tfind drama in a happy marriage, then
like you know, in a ina mostly happy marriage or like couple,
like you're lazy, you know,like that that that is and have never

(37:52):
been in one, yeah, oror don't have like an honest one,
you know, like there's there's somuch there when when you're interesting, when
you trust a person that much,um, when there's tension between you,
and when there's not like that.I've just never understood that concept that if
you're happy, you're you're not goingto be interesting. Like life still sucks

(38:13):
in all the ways it did whenyou're not happy, you know, like
now you just have have someone tohelp you with them, Like the show
still becomes it's still they're still thecentral relationship of the show, like romantic
relationship, but they're not the onlyone. So it gives them time to
like explore some other ones. Nonethat flourish in the way that that theirs
does, but um, but theyit gives them an opportunity to like put

(38:34):
the emotional relationship drama on someone else, whether that's Nate and Zi or Constantine
and Zarium or whomever. But italso like it shifts the drama to outside
of their relationship and onto things thatthreaten it, or things that threaten them
as people, or the responsibility ofcocaptining together and what that means. Um.

(38:59):
The nice thing is too because thewriters um have have gone on record,
many of them and many times likerespecting this relationship so much and not
wanting to do the typical ship thatthey don't like do the like, actually
one of them's an asshole this season, so they're separated now and whatever.
Like obviously there's there's um plot things, you know, like Sarah gets abducted
or whatever, but like that's notbecause one of them was mad or whatever.

(39:21):
You know, like they don't dothey don't make Leo and Elder and
then like drive that character into theground, you know, like that type
of thing they don't. Like they'rehappily married and they have a kid.
So now he's gonna fuck off intothe sky right until we need him to
get a pregnant again. He's justgoing to be a dead bee dad for
whatever reason. Shout out to Charms, Shout out to all the holli walls

(39:42):
out there. Yeah, but no, they just do you know, they
do other things. They find otherdrama that uses the relationship. Um,
yes, so yeah. So butthe of course we talked about Constina and
astra Um. This is sort ofthe I think they made such an interesting
choice last season of bringing her backand like really doing something with that.

(40:05):
Mm. And this is sort ofthe beginning of like, oh, this
is an ongoing story. Yeah,and again the show like just making this
reclamation project out of Constantine's character andthe original TV show that this show version
comes from. Yeah, it's it'sjust it's it's deeply um enjoyable to me
as as a fan of that shortlived show and the few you know,

(40:29):
Health Lazer and Swamp Thing and Sammancomics that I've read. It's very cool.
So um yeah, so we getlike that that initial thing, and
then we get you know, itseems like Constantine is gonna has now like
given up on her. He's justgonna kill her. Sure he says that
anyway, Yes, but not fora second. I don't think there's anyone

(40:50):
actually believed that. And then hegoes down there and he's like, I
couldn't do it, and raise likeyou're a good guy. Yeah, it's
okay, you'll be back to Saber. Everything's gonna be fine. And then
comes his sole purpose in life.Yes. Um, meanwhile, we've got
Nate and Brod. Um where we'vegot to talk about this whole storyline in
a second. But um, youknow, Brod takes Nate home to pretend

(41:15):
like he's is that a thing businessschool professor? Yeah, I don't know.
I never I don't I've never tooka professor home. And we're like,
hey, parents, this is oneof my professors from business school.
And he was kind of a young, handsome guy. Would you be yeah,
we're fucking our professor or yeah exactly? Um, like for his dad's

(41:37):
birthday, he brought him home forhis dad's birthday. Yeah, there's a
better lie he could have come upwith here. Um. Also, like
Nick Xano still looks twenty five tome, so like you could be that
he's a roommate or something, youknow, like whatever, he's an older
guy going for his MBA like youknow, sure, yeah, yeah,
he went back to school. Hehad a whole thing. He's getting in

(41:57):
the middle of his own TV show. You know, Um, this this
relationship and it's good that they're layingthe groundwork here does become the time bros
of this show when Ray leaves,And it's just interesting to see this early
they're still doing the weird thing oflike they have to pretend like they've been
friends with bay Rod for a whileeven though he's only been on the show

(42:19):
for two or three episodes. Youknow, it's it's it's interesting. I
think they do a good job ofit. Though I think so too.
I, Um, obviously I wouldhave loved for Brandon to stay on the
show, but um, yeah,I was. I was kind of impressed
to see this early on stuff againof like, yeah, they're they're they're

(42:39):
slowly kind of building up um thenew normal essentially of what life with bay
Rod's like, right yeah, Andand I like that they they don't take
a lot of time to explain it, like with words, right right,
They're not like, oh, rememberwhen you do this, blah blah.

(43:00):
It's just hey, my dad's birthdayis coming up. Your parents still believe
you're in business school. Like that'sit's like the it's just in the plot.
Like I it's it's good, quick, clunky, it's really good.
It's quick. I still don't everexplain like how he joined the Legends,
but who cares? Um, Yeah, if he's not fighting the future,
I didn't. Yeah, it doesn'tlike they had to get all the totems

(43:22):
in season three, so I'm surethat's part of it. Oh sure he
came with one of them. Yeah. So, um, so there's all
there's all that stuff. But whatit also gives us is this opportunity a
to get to know they had alittle better, to introduce like the Time
the New Time bros. And tointroduce Zorry two point, Yes, who
we have already met on the podcast. We had her before we had Arry

(43:44):
one point. That's true, Um, but this is the very first episode
with her. Do you remember whatyour reaction was when she first showed up?
Um? I was excited to see, like was it kind of felt
like the Charlie thing to me oflike, oh yeah, this show is

(44:05):
gonna is gonna like play out ascharacters, but they're going to recycle these
actors, you know, and thatthat's fun. I didn't think this version,
this this personality of Zari would stickaround. I thought eventually they would
get one point zero back and likethat was the end. Game. Yeah,
but I shouldn't try to think aheadof the show ultimately, you know,
like another lesson learned in that UM, I thought it was just real

(44:29):
fun to get this different shade ofher, But not for a second did
I think that she would be youknow, the Zari we end the series.
Well, yeah, I agree.I didn't think that she was going
to stick around for you know,three seasons, and that I was and
again not not complaining. I loveZari, but just didn't see a coming.
I didn't see it coming. ButI also this, I loved Zari

(44:52):
one point zero a lot. MI felt we had some similar personality traits,
but I felt like I felt likewe would be friends basically. And
then this version shows up and I'mlike, wow, we would not have
been friends. And I think that'sthe point, right, is that,
like the other one meshed really wellwith the crew. So now we have

(45:13):
a totally different personality. Let's seehow she meshes with the crew. And
taala Ash does a really really greatjob of doing both versions of sorry and
I first of all, I trustedthe show enough at this point that I
was like, Okay, we'll seehow it works. Be like you said,
I wasn't. I wasn't thinking she'sgoing to stick around that long,

(45:35):
right, you think that ultimately thehappy ever and happy ever after of this,
it's going to be that we getour original Zari back. But also,
like I was very glad that Iand ended up enjoying it as much
as I did. Yeah, notin this episode, in subsequent ones.
I'm realizing too as I'm thinking aboutthis, Like my first instinct with this

(45:58):
was like, hey, it's fun, be like, oh, look,
Zori went wrong, you know,like like I didn't um, I didn't
count her as as a full character, and then they made us love her.
You know. I think it wasweird that they changed the family's names,
wasn't Toms. Wasn't that like tohide from Argus essentially, like to
hide I didn't think it was.Maybe it was, but yeah, maybe

(46:23):
I reckoned that in my head though. But yeah, the z characters,
when she's the character that she's basedon, that doesn't make sense. Yeah,
Tarazzi is an invention as far asI can tell. I guess I
always assumed that, you know,retroactively, that that's what they were saying
with that, But maybe I'm wrong. Um So I remember when they started

(46:45):
using Tarazzi, I was like,did I halluscinate? Like was her name
different last season? Because I don'tuse the last names very often, right,
No, no, up for constand like they'll call Ava have a
sharp him once in a while.But sure, but yeah, so we

(47:06):
we sort of also have like iswhat it introduces Ari back into thing.
And it also like this is Natefiguring out like your sister's the dent um.
Yes, and we dented time atHayworld. So and it's not just
that they dented time at hay World. It's also that like they dented time
by leaving the dragon egg in herhouse and having her and she became the

(47:30):
dragon Girl. She became the dragongirl because she got meet her to dance.
Yeah, it's it's cool to seeher kind of full fledged here to
have you know, she's literally doingcat chat when she comes in, and
they do immediately show like she's notthis vapid idiot. She has she has
a business, like she is abusiness. You know, she's an influencer.

(47:51):
And she very quickly susses out thatNate is is bullshit because she's always
suspected that um Barad wasn't actually inbusiness school and that he had the totem
and then does the the you know, time traveler homework of looking at like
you were there in a big dumbcostume, so like, why why do
you still look like this? Youknow, and how are you there?

(48:15):
It was twenty four years ago?Yes, um, because now we're in
twenty forty two, I think,right, it's twenty yeah, twenty forty
three. Okay, she was originallyregardless, Okay, um, fun I
think, but but yeah, Ilike her immediately kind of earning and again

(48:38):
this is this is the show beinglike, you think, this isn't going
to be a real character, butwe're gonna get her in here immediately,
and she immediately earns her place aslike someone who can suss out the truth
of what's going on when the Legendsare trying to pullland over on her and
her family, right, And Ilove that the solution to that is like,
well, let's just put her onthe ship. Yeah, let's just

(49:00):
let's just bring her in. Andwhat's hilarious is she I mean she goes
back in the sense that like shepops in every once in a while to
her actual life, but she basicallygets kidnapped by her brother and then doesn't
leave and that's the end. Yeah, but but you're right, like she's
still she has her product launch ina couple episodes and that type of thing.

(49:21):
You know, like she is probablythe one that's tapped in and there's
a sense that yeah, yes,dragon esque, dragon esque. Yeah,
but yeah, she's probably the onethat's tapped in most to her own timeline,
to her real life. Yeah,as the series goes on, even
though she only goes back into thatreal life like three times, four times

(49:43):
maybe, Yeah, I guess howmany times to be CDJ swarm money Like
three? I think twice? Yeah. Yeah, but um but yeah,
it's it's it's enough to make animpression. Um. I also just love
her sitting down with Nate and likehim being like I saw you in the
video. That's great. It's thefans that really make all the hard work
worth. Um. We kind ofjumped into this from the ship lug,

(50:08):
but Nat like, did you everdid you have a problem with this?
Nate and Zari um not being tolike, what is your take on this?
Natan's arm? I mean I didn'treally care that much about Nate and
Sari to beginless they like to beginwith. Um, as I said it
in a previous episode, it wasall very hetero. H. So I

(50:29):
was like, all right, cool, I guess I and I like warmed
up to them by the end ofthe season. Um, and so like
we we got there, um,and I warned up to them and I
was basically fine with them. Iactually liked the Nate and Zari one point
of stuff more after this, liketotem time time Zari and like when she

(50:52):
comes out every once in a while, Um, it just it works,
and it's it's almost like Nate talkingabout it and like it being sort of
an off screen thing almost like easedme into the idea a little better than
just like because they felt so suddenand random originally, m okay, it
was like, oh, especially afterhis first season girl, like, yeah,

(51:15):
I was gonna say the first seasonthat she's around, he's still all
like, I'll make up work withthe Maya. Everything's gonna be fine,
right, Yeah, And then thesecond season two, like he's moping over
Amaya. Yeah, and then theyget together and then it just it just
felt so like best of bad options. I get that, but it's again,

(51:35):
it's a testament to the writers wherelike this this is kind of the
first time considering that, where Iwas just like I was all in on
them, you know, and that'stotally cool, Like that's awesome, Like
I'm glad you were. And that'sprobably like why they did it, like
they wanted to create more relationship stuff. It just felt like to me,
it was like I don't care.And also I kind of like the idea

(51:58):
of maybe he's are being queer butshe wasn't, and that's fine. So
how do you feel about the catchat thread that goes through like the rest
of Oh, I mean, whatis their discussion about. I think it's
really cute. It's the idea thatlike, so this is the twenty forties,
this is twenty something, and influencerculture will never die, will never

(52:21):
die somehow there's still a middle class. What a nice little fantasy to live
in. But I just I thinkit's fun. I love in universe stuff
like this, your cat chats,your chum homes for any good wife fans
like things like that. I dothink that it's it's difficult. I think
it's probably more difficult to create anear future than it is to create like

(52:42):
a far flung future, right,because you can't imagine that much. It's
twenty years in the future. Howmuch is really going to change? Right,
you don't have you don't have asmuch license as like, well,
now it's it's hundreds of years inthe future and there's a starfleet federation.
Yeah right, I mean it's weirdenough that the wave Rider is only from
one hundred years and the future.Oh that is nuts. Yeah, that's
a very high tech ship, interestingcentury time ship. Like literally Gideon says

(53:08):
that, yeah in this episode,doesn't she Um, Yeah, no,
I I just think I think it'sa fun in universe thing. And also
we've been ignoring them. But shoutout to any listeners on cat chat right
now, thank you for for followingus. Shout out to the z Nation
of course as well, because weknow we have all of the z Nation

(53:29):
followers. Now, yeah, yeah, I would hope I assumes a he's
done a post. But like withthe Zari stuff, like you said,
we end with her being kidnapped onthe ship and having a little bit of
a scream and a freak out andwe'll see you next time, but that
she screams and then off camera youhear em ago that girl is. I

(53:50):
feel bad because I feel like thisis the most lukewarm I've been on an
episode. But it's still it's stilllike a fun time, you know.
It's it's a lot of information,yes, Like it's a lot of set
up for the new season. It'sa lot of information about characters, Like
we get so much information about Behrodand like we're introduced to a whole news
ari Ye, And it's just alot of stuff that they had to jam

(54:13):
into it, so they the actualplot of the episode is kind of like
filler. It feels easy for themtoo, because it's like, we can't
do a whole big thing right now, you know, We've got all this
other stuff to do. I wishI had timed it. There's a part
of me that wishes I had timedLike, how much of the of the
episode is the plot the distribution ofthese these versus stories? Yeah, how

(54:36):
much is you know, our becstory? Nope, that's interesting, but
we're not that good at podcasting,so that. But let's talk about legendary
moments. For me, it wasthe sit down between Azari and Nate and
just realizing like, oh, shealready has all the cards in this scene,
you know, like she plays himbeautifully and he's a little like Gaga

(54:57):
Like here the woman knows a lot. Who are you you pretty? You
know that type of thing. Andagain she just like kind of assesses everything
out as much as she can withoutknowing the true crazy shit that's going on
very quickly. So that was impressive. So again the real Dragon girls here.
For me, my legendary moment isbeck girl this. I think,

(55:19):
like that's the real answer, let'sbe Yeah. I think that my second
voice is also very similar to Ava'sdrunk Who is your MVL for the episode?
Also? Ava world class distractor?Sure, because like there really wasn't
that much to be an MVL about. Yeah, that was kind of my

(55:40):
issue too, where I'm like,I guess that's Sarah just because like she's
the only one that's like kind ofmoving the mission along and staying focused where
it's like Ray suddenly a cop andJohn kind of want to Bangs's girlfriend and
he's gonna save her, and Sarah'sthe only one like all right, someone's
just kind of talked to this guyand get his gun and she had So
I'm from a gossip ryag blah blah. You know she's like moving things along

(56:04):
again. It's done. Yep,all right, let's do cards to save
the time. That all right,I'll jump in here. I've got two
scenarios. The best way to gainmore followers on cat chat is by posting
blank and John Constantine can always bedistracted from a smoke break by Blank,
because that happens like once or twicein this episode, was about to light
up and then there's a dame,or then I thought of a clue or
whatever. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, So my scenarios are Blank and Blank

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private investigators and for one night only, Ava Sharp and the Blank Cute and
Alista Crowley's going to reap exactly Yeah, great solutions, slash people, I've
got adopt nineteen forties Noir Lingo andquote never trust a big button smile,

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and I have raised cop face theone good cop in Los Angeles, z
Nation and a jar of rust.Perfect, perfect, perfect. You'd think
we'd have to wait for like fiveor two for the jar fresputing, but
no, where there Aready, He'sthe episode and the eyeball. Oh totally
no, it works perfectly. Yes, um, speaking of gross magic,

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as we said, that is theicon for the Bingo card Um. We've
got to Helen back from Bingo.And third one, it took me a
second to realize it, to becompletely, it took me a second viewing
or something. I mean, Ididn't realize it at all. So but
we do have a DC deep cutwith the Satanic triumphant um. Astro just

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mentions like now that the Triumphant's gone, and I'm like, wait a minute,
that is a thing, like it'sin the Sandman comics. It's in
a swamp thing it was. Itwas Lucifer and others, thank you.
And I think Etrigan's part of takingit down ultimately rise the Demon. I
know, like really that would havea perfect place to get Atrican And maybe

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it's too expensive to like build anettrick in, you know, but like
Jason Blood on the wave Rider thatI mean like that's if we ever do
a like break in episode of Legends, we should do that. That'd be
funnest shit. They were in Camelotfor Christ's sake, you know, like
he could have been there anyway.So I also had a question do we

(58:20):
want to do new Legends because Zariis new and gets brought on board the
ship in this episode. Yeah,I was gonna say, is it this
one? Or is it when shejoins the crew of No? But this
this? I mean, I'm asfar as I'm concerned. Its introduction.
Yeah, that's that's mine too.Okay, new legend, done deal.

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So we have four. We're notdoing two Saris, are we? Because
like we do get Assari flash.Oh no, no, this isn't two
Saris. I don't think this countsthough, years is when there are two
Zaris when they were actually two Tsari'soccupying a space, right, Yes,
okay, let's roll those dice.Yes, let's roll those dice. It's
my turn to roll. It isyour turn to roll. All right,
here we go rolling. Do youhave the episode of gut Up? I

(59:01):
do have the episode guet Up PerfectRolling for a season? Season four?
Okay, season four. I loveseason four. I love season four.
It's nice to be back. Wewere just there too? Yes? Yeah?
Um? Okay? And Rolling fourepisode four thirteen. No, No,
it's one away from my favorite episodefrom Egglayer in the wardrobe. That's

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four twelve. Okay, aren't youokay? Now this is eggs Sorry I
rolled wrong? This is take itup with the Faiths. What is this
egg mcguffin. So you'll probably enjoythis one speaking We're gonna make you care
about nat and sorry at the endof exactly right, And I almost said
it, like even when we wererecording this episode, like I almost said,

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like, you know, one ofthe things that I didn't love is
the rigeable Austark stuff. I wasjust thinking, when does Indiana Jones come
out? Like is this going toactually time out? Well, I don't
know, I don't know. Interesting, So, yes, this is egg
mcgoffin. This is the Raiders ofthe Lost Arc kind of episode. Um

(01:00:05):
So Ray. While Ray is worriedabout Nora, he has suddenly faced with
his own problem that forces him todo the unthinkable. Um So, of
course he's with Neuron. Nate Zariaare stuck in an awkward limbo, so
Sarah devises a plan to send themon an easy mission together. Meanwhile,
Charlie and Rory are approached for thelucrative offer that could upend their law.
This is fun, romantic romantic,Yay, cool, all right, this

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is this will be a fun one, one of your co captains, it's
excited listeners, No, it'll befun. It's it's a fun episode from
what I recall. Um, butit's just that I thought that the Raiders
stuff was so show warned. Anyway, it's cheesy, I remember loving of
course it's cheesy to the point wherethey think it's cheesy, you know.
Yeah, anyway, so that's that'llbe our next episode. Cool, I

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truly, I'm like, we haveto figure out what the schedule is.
I'm like, hey, does thiscome out before or after Indian Jones.
It's going to be closed, sothat's fun. Figure it out. Yeah
cool. Meanwhile, thanks listening afterbodyand dealing with my lovely voice. I'm
coughing. Yeah, yeah, sorryif we were low energy, but it's
just you know, I should recoverleave her alone. No, If anyone's

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understanding, it's a Legends of Tomorrowaudience that we're good. But yeah,
I can't wait for next episode.Thank you for listening, and please don't
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