015: 4x07, Hell No, Dolly!

Digging For Kryptonite's Anthony Desiato joins us for a rollicking adventure in 1850s New Orleans to talk haunted dolls, Marie Laveau, and DC mustache jokes. Check out Anthony's incredible podcasts (Digging For Kryptonite, Summoning The Zords, and Another Exciting Episode in the Adventures of Superman) and follow him: @diggingforkrpod.

CARDS TO SAVE THE TIMELINE
Scenarios:
• The worst day on the Waverider was when that serial killer dybbuk possessed ___.
• Ray "mustache" you not to ___.
• In order to keep an eye on Constantine, Gideon fabricated a hidden tracker in his ___.
• Big East O's! They taste like ____.
• Ava and Mick finally bonded over _____.
Solutions/People:
• Zari Cat.
• Mike the Spike.
• A taste for man meat.
• Changing history commando.
• An evil murderous Stein muppet.
• The murder board in Ava's closet.
• The C Word.

BINGO
• Missed one in 5x14: Two Zaris
• The C Word
• Jump in the Jump Ship
• DC's Puppets of Tomorrow
• Gideon malfunction!

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
You know, I feel like theone thing that this episode makes me think.
I was like, what's the creepiestthing inhabiting? You know, I
think doll is actually pretty up there. Dolls dolls high on the list.
Yeah, um, I don't know. Is that like toilet? I immediately
went to to two thousand and oneand I'm like, can the dipock you

(00:21):
know they take over take over ahome security system because that would suck tolet
of course, you know, nothingnothing that's bathroom or or hygiene related.
I don't need a dibick going anywheresensitive, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, that's fair. At leastwith the toilet, it's it's stationary,

(00:43):
unless unless we're really getting wild hereand the toilet can can move.
But it's like at least then youknow it's contained. But that initial discovery
would not be good anyway. Welcomeback to Always Hold On to DC's Legends

(01:15):
of Tomorrow. I'm one of yourco captains, Matt Drew, and we're
joined by a special guest. Soyou've already heard there before. King of
his own podcasting Empire with Digging forKryptonite. Another exciting episode in the Adventures
of Superman and summoning the zwords aPower Rangers fan journey. Welcome to the
show, Fat Squirrel Podcasts own AnthonyDesiato. How are you, sir.

(01:40):
I'm doing well. Thank you forhaving me, and thank you for that
introduction, and thank you also,Matt for being on two out of those
three shows we've podcasted together. It'sbeen a lot of fun, Tricia.
Hopefully we can we can have youon at some point as well. But
I'm really happy to be here.I'm so glad you're here Man, and
look, to be clear, justto take the pressure off this episode,
this was a like, hey,we'd love to have you on a day

(02:01):
we had this recording set like twoweeks in advance. I'm like, oh,
it would be a good time toget a guest. Anthony would be
great. So, like, youknow, not like you have to come
in with any sort of true insightto this episode or whatever, but but
before we jump into it, couldyou ground us in, Like obviously by
the podcast that you do, twoof them revolving around Superman, you're a

(02:22):
DC fan. Where are you cominginto legends the arrow Verse? You know,
like, what was your kind ofintro to That's what's your level of
fandom here. Sure. So foryears I was all in on the Arrow
verse. I started with Arrow fromthe very beginning, and as the spinoffs
continued to be added, I wasright there along with all of them,

(02:44):
and I think, like a lotof fans, I came to came to
kind of fade a little bit onmost of them as we got deeper into
the seasons. Crisis for me,and I know I'm not breaking you ground
here, I think a lot offans probably feel this way. Was was
the high point. And it wasactually after Crisis that I kind of dropped

(03:05):
off of most of the shows.Obviously I watched the last couple episodes of
Arrow, but that was more orless it for me with most of the
others, including Legends. Sad tosay, though, especially now with you
guys doing this podcast, I ama bit inspired now to finish the show
because I really did enjoy it.I feel like that one out of all
the ones that I that I felloff of that had less to do with

(03:27):
the quality and more just kind ofgot lost in the shuffle a little bit,
as opposed to something like Flash orSupergirl, for example, where I
really felt like I'm not enjoying thisanymore, and I just need to call
it at this point. But asfar as legends itself, I do generally
fall in line with I think withthe common perception of the show is where
it was. It took a littlewhile to find its footing and then it

(03:50):
embraced its wackiness and became a lotof fun at the same time. I
did enjoy the first season. Iwas not down on it, as I
know some folks tend to be,but I do think it really hit the
sweet spot probably season two or three, although honestly, watching this season four
episode and four, this was thelast full season that I watched, I
really enjoyed it, and I likedthis mix of characters, So you know,

(04:13):
I would put four up there aswell. So that's kind of where
I'm coming in. So I haven'tseen the you know, the latter portion
of the series, but for theseasons I did see, I really was
a fan. I enjoyed it.Cool. Cool. I'm coming back to
this too. Presumably you haven't haven'tlike rewatched I have an ad occasion to
rewatch any of it recently. Um, do you remember, like any favorite

(04:36):
characters or like storylines that like you, like you really enjoyed from the show.
Is it just kind of nice tosee some of these people again.
Yeah, I think, Matt,I think I said this to you in
a message at some point. ButI was a huge prison Break fan,
so just from the jump and evengoing back to Flash having Wentworth Miller and
Dominic Purcell, I was. Iwas there for that and that season one

(04:56):
episode where they have to stage aprison break and Captain Cole even said this
isn't my first prison break. Ah, Like that was guy, I love
that. I love that. Soyeah, that was you know, that
was definitely a highlight, but justnot so much story arcs per se,
but just some of the character arcs, like seeing Sarah you know, really
stepped up become cats like that wasso cool. And obviously the episode we
watched, she's you know, fullin in that role at this point.

(05:19):
Um, so yeah, those butthe cold and heat Wave, that that
pairing, that casting, I wasa fan of that fair enough. Well
yeah, obviously we only got halfof that pairing in this episode, but
I am glad that you're here forone that is like, like you're saying,
like they're up and running at thispoint, they have the tone.
This is not the Sarah Lance thatwas on Arrow. This is a funny,

(05:43):
you know, more excited Sarah,you know whatever. She's gonna do
some some big, easy Nolins linesand like you jump right into it.
But not so much as as thenineteen forties LA episode where she was using
NSSA, just a huge amount ofif you are for lingo, yeah no,
let's let's lingo here a little,a little like French with that,

(06:03):
with that New Orleans draw or whatevereveryone's in a while. That's about it.
Um, well cool, let's let'slet's jump into the episode here a
gang, um we're looking at Episodefour oh seven Hell No Dolly UM aired
December third, twenty eighteen, writtenby Green Godfrey and Morgan Faust and directed

(06:25):
by April Mullen. Ratings watch apoint nine three million. The next episode,
which Legends of two Miamio classically UMhits one point one million UM,
which I believe was because it wasairing like right in the middle of the
else World's crossover that year, whichis it's still one of my probably my

(06:48):
most rewatched crossover despite the lack ofLegends. I just think that's a fun
because it's my least rewatch interesting.I just think it's a good little standalone
thing. But anyway, Um,but like they make hay of it in
the next episode, where like,um, the legends like Mystic Hall from
Barry and Kara and and Oliver andthey're all like, oh god, it

(07:12):
crossover pass. Um. So justjust interesting, Like it speaks to the
reason that they did the crossovers werelike even the show that's just caught up
in the middle of it and notactually in the story, got a nice
bump that week. Yeah, Andthey bring it up again at the end
of this season when they're trying toshoot the ad for Hayworld and they're all
in costume as Barry, Oliver,and Kara. Yes, and they're like,

(07:34):
this is what we get for skivena crossover. We couldn't get them
to do this, Tricia. Shouldwe do the Team Rundown. Yes,
let's do the Team Rundown. Sothis is a familiar Team Rundown. Um,
we have a split up as legendsand people from the Time Bureau.
However, they are not all inthose places. Um. So for our
main legends of Sarah Ray, NickNate Zari one point zero Constantine and Charlie,

(07:57):
but notably Nate is actually sending allof his time of the Time hero
and then with our Time Bureau groupwe have Ava, Gary and Mona,
but Eva is on the ship.There's some time Euro hijinks in this episode,
but it feels a little Hillary andvery much like they're trying to get
us to the next episodes. Yeah, this was like when we get to
like MVL later, Like, thiswas a hard one for me because I'm

(08:18):
like, this is kind of asetup for the next episode. I think
this is a really fun episode,but like there's a bit of a part
one of a two parter to this, but we'll get to that. To
recap for anyone that forgot again,this is the year of our magical Fugitives.
Amaya, of course was written off, but Mazie still wanted to be
on the show and stick around,so Changeling Charlie has been stuck with her

(08:41):
face after John removed her powers.The Time Bureau has become a standing set
so that Nate could clash with hisdad and so that sandwich delivery girl Mona
could become a pseudo legend. Fora season, John is haunted by a
new thing from his past just tochange it up. Rays flirting from Afar
with Norah dark and a valance isnow hot and heavy. But otherwise things

(09:03):
are things are pretty sad, asqual, I couldn't think of anything else
that was important to recap for here. No, nothing even really that much
that was for the past. Butmentioning Amaya is good because we see Charlie
trying to pretend to be a Mayain this episode. Yeah, there was
that, and there was the momentumjust seeing Maizie like kind of dressed up
to go into what it was eighteighteen fifties in New Orleans? Is that

(09:26):
right? Oh yeah, they're aneighteen fifty one, I think. Okay,
just to see her kind of likedressed up and done it again,
it did kind of feel like,oh, a Maya's here again for a
second. Um, Anthony, doyou have strong feelings on you know,
Charlie versa Maya? Or well,I was going to ask Zari Versusari,
but you actually never saw the secondSari. So Charlie Versamya, do not

(09:48):
see Sari two point oh at all? Maybe I watched further than I thought,
because I maybe I did, becauseI definitely saw at least some of
that. Uh okay, but maybenot not a ton I'm gonna maybe watch
till like when Brandon left or something. Yeah, I might have might have
gotten like a little bit into thenext season. But no, I mean
I think ultimately my heart is withZari one point zero. But if if,

(10:09):
and when I finished the show,we'll see if that shifts. I
will say the time Bureau piece ofthis I don't get as a ton of
mileage out of it, especially theGary and the Mona of it all.
There's some good stuff, and Idon't It's not like I despise the characters,
but it was I think as we'regetting especially as we get deep ring

(10:30):
to this, this is the pointin the show where I was maybe starting
to lag a little bit and thatthat piece of it, those characters,
especially as they got more and morescreen time, lost lost me a little
bit. Yeah. I think that'stotally fair. And obviously like the Gary
Amona like romance or you know,maybe was kinda like never yeah, it
never gets off the ground or anythinglike that. Yeah. I stick by

(10:56):
a statement that we've said a fewtimes where like, there's no legend that
I like, but early on here, like I'm less, I'm less excited
about Gary than I am later onin the show. I don't know,
Trisha, do you feel no,I agree with that. I think for
me, it's like your mileage withthe Time Burero stuff will vary depending on
like the whether you remember future episodes, like I don't remember my thinking about

(11:22):
it the first time I watched it, like I was obviously much more interested
in the New Orleans Constantine side ofthe story. This, the Time Burero
side is very much just getting usnot even to the next episode, but
to two episodes later, because thenext episode is of course Legends of Two
Yamyam, but the one after thatis you know, they're the legi libre
episode where has been sent back tothe whatever year was I can't remember,

(11:48):
and you know they're they're dealing withthat, and then that becomes the progression
to the end of the season,so you don't you have to set that
up somewhere else. So very muchlike this, Whether or not you like
this, I think depends whether onwhether or not you like the rest of
the season. Um So I thinkit's better in retrospect than it is,
And like right up front, Um, that's that's sort of my read on

(12:11):
it, really, But yeah,I agree with you, Like there's no
legend I don't like. I actuallyreally like Mona. Um, but this
part of it is just sort oflike filling some time and getting us and
it's filling in some details that wedon't have yet and giving us one of
the magical creatures to sort of likefollow this kidnapping thread through. Yeah,
I agreed. Mona one of theshortest ten year legends too, like maybe

(12:33):
up there with with Wally when hewas on the show for a bit,
but like, yeah, like Iremember so well, but kind of comes
and goes quickly, I think,because she gets never have I ever.
Yeah, she definitely gets other rolesand then ends up you know, doing
that instead. But this she hasI think, I don't know. We'll
have to time it, I thinkto see if she has less time as

(12:54):
a legend versus Wally. She hasmore time on the show, more time
in the show, but yeah,at less time as a as a bona
fide legend, I think. Yeah. Anyway, let's get into our main
talking points. First things first,very important. Let's get this out of
the way. Raise mustache. Ilove it as a bit I was.
I was like looking it up justbecause I was like, I actually want

(13:16):
to see Brandon with facial hair andsee if it looked. It looks this
bad news alert super fucking handsome.Brandon Ralph looks super fucking handsome with facial
hair, so like, you know, it's it doesn't always look as goofy
as this. But I saw onReddit some people were like, was this
a Justice League joke with Superman withthe mustache? And Everyone's like, oh,

(13:37):
it definitely was it, Like itnever even occurred to meet at thoughts
same. Okay, So I hadthe exact same reaction when I watched this
back in twenty eighteen, and thenwhen I rewatched this, I was not
at all thinking that this was adig at Justice League. And then I
went on AMDB trivia for the episodewhen I was there anything I miss anything
that would be helpful for our discussionhere, And I think that was the

(13:58):
first entry, was that this wasa dig at the at Henry Cavill's mustache,
which they digitally removed in jos ThisLeague, And I'm like, I
mean, I don't know, maybeobviously we have an actor who had played
Superman on the big screen before HenryCavelly. He's got a mustache. I
don't know, it feels like astretch, But I mean, I don't
know if anyone involved with the showever commented on it, but I with

(14:20):
the thing that's weird, and Ithink maybe Matt, like you, had
the same reaction. It didn't evencross my mind. And I am steeped
in everything Superman and the different cutsof Justice League. I mean, I've
thought about these things a lot,and it didn't it didn't dawne on me.
It just seemed like a goof forthe show. I agree with you.
I didn't dne on me either.I didn't even done on me until

(14:41):
just now when you mentioned it.I even read it in the in our
little note section and didn't think,like, what does he mean? What
does that mean? What's that referringto? Yeah, I like, it's
it's funny that they would thank that, but also like, I just don't
I think they're just letting him begoofy. I don't know. I agree.
I think fans are gonna fan andwe're gonna see that connection if needed.

(15:01):
But if the three of us didn'tget this, it's also in twenty
eighteen. It's a year stale atthat point, Like if you were gonna
do that type of dig, Likethere was no secret about that mustache thing.
They could have gotten it in theseason before if they wanted to make
fun of it or whatever. Itend to agree with you guys, where
like Ray didn't have much to doin this episode, so let's give him

(15:22):
this little bit of business and wecan half cut it off at the end
and whatever. It's not like theydon't reference him being Superman in other ways.
Like one of my favorite ones iswhen he says that Carl looks like
his cousin. Ye, but yeah, I just the their jokes and their
references to it are always much moregood humored and more digs at themselves than
they are at like other references thosethings, like you know, right,

(15:45):
they don't need to drag the movies. They know they're better at this point,
you know, like like Sign saying, you know, he would love
to meet the guy who built theTitanic. Yeah, I also feel like
if they were going to dig,and I agree, I know they don't,
they don't punch down, but ifthey were going to dig, I
feel like they could and would havedone something where, I don't know,
for whatever reason, Sarah's like,you can't have the mustache on the mission,

(16:07):
and He's like, but I haveto have it, Like can't you
like digitally ear raised? I meanthose, but you know what I mean,
Like they could have done something wherethere's a joke about to get rid
of this mustache, but he's like, I won't shave it. They could
have done something like that if theywanted to do that. So yeah,
I don't know. I feel likefans were reading into that, but that's
it's an interesting question. I was. I was. That stopped me too

(16:29):
when I read that I promised NoraI wouldn't shave it. It is paramount
to our relationship that I do notshave it. You know, it would
be impossible for me to shave itanyway. Cool. I'm glad. I'm
glad that that went by all ofus because because the Internet for a minute
had me thinking of as a badfan anyway. Actually, more importantly,
Mike the Spike. This all startsbecause Ava kind of outs herself as a

(16:51):
true crime fan thanks to a boxof what is it? Big easy os?
I think whatever, a lazy,quick piece of writing. But whatever,
it's fun at least I think it'svery funny. How this isn't the
only time that place. They didthis last season too, where they find
out that there's some kind of timeanomaly whatever. They're referring to it as

(17:15):
um this season because something on theship has changed. Yes, So like
last season with the Elvis episode,it was that Zari realizes that her guitar
Hero game is now trombone Hero andyou know, there's no palm aid and
all that, um, and that'sfine, and uh An Axel's name goes

(17:37):
changed to Josh Groban. Um.But this season it's it's that the big
easios quiz on the back, thevery dark, weird quiz for children,
asking about who's the most prolific serialkiller in US history, says it is
Marie Lava. Yes, yeah,who who um will get to an a
bit I did not realize was areal person when't Yeah, when they spent

(18:00):
so much time with her, I'mlike, oh, this must be from
from a vertical comic or so,you know, like the fact that that
John's involved in her this is aconstantine at the comic that we're we're referencing.
Yeah, that I'm missing out ofbut but basically, you know,
this whole thing points them to NewOrleans. Um, I've got eighteen fifty
six written down here. But whatever, Marie Lavaux kind of points them in

(18:25):
the right direction and helps them realizethat it's a dibbic, which which is
a real thing from Jewish folklore.It can possess people. Though I didn't
see anything about like objects, um, but it seemed like, you know,
it was a folklore early days ofscience, explanation for mental illness,
for Tourette's, for you know,acting out of acting out of sorts in

(18:51):
any sort of definition, where like, oh, that person must have a
dibbic in them. Maybe we cando something to get it out. There's
a lot of cool stuff in Joy'smythology that pops up, and you see
commerce and stuff too. I surelike, well, gollums come to mind,
but I can't think of anything else. Wells are in some ways what
some people think that Superman was reallybased on this idea of the I know

(19:14):
nothing of that. That's interesting kindof on this note of magic this season
and the different and all the lorelike on paper, and I guess when
I look at the arc. Ofthe seasons that I watched, the Magic
Piece probably not my favorite. However, again, I really enjoyed this on
rewatch, and I watched all fifteenseasons of Supernatural, so I did that

(19:38):
was the thing. I did feelin a lot of ways. I did
feel quite at home in the seasonof Legends, and as they're talking about
the different creatures and the lore andall that, I'm like, oh,
yeah, like this feels this feelsvery familiar. And then the other thing,
just the timing of this was actuallypretty funny because I'm currently in the
midst of watching that new Peacock showbased on a true story. Oh really

(20:00):
quote Christmasina, and it's a itreally plays into again America's fascination with serial
killers. So again I'm literally inthe middle of that season, and then
we had this, and of coursewith Ava's obsession with all of that,
so just the timing of that wasfunny. I also think that Ava's interested
in it is interesting to me becauseI think she approaches it as like she's
in some form of law enforcement,so she's she's interested in it from like

(20:25):
the criminology standpoint versus like the laurdstuff. But then next season when we
get to her podcast, it becomesa lot more like the true crime that
we're used to her podcast called Deadcast. Um, Yes, and then she
becomes interested. She's also obviously apparentlyinterested in horror movies because she's obsessed with
being a final Girl. But thisthis actually also is another example of Sarah

(20:49):
being obsessed with horror movies because shemakes Chuckie references and she had previously been
really interested in like bad slasher films. Yes, that honestly led to one
of my favorite moments in the episode, with um, I think it's Ray
saying like, I think we've gotis there any chance we've got to like
possessed all situation and Sarah being like, yeah, horror movie one to one,

(21:11):
like I love that again. Atthis level, at this stage in
the series, Sarah knows exactly whatshow she's in for where she's just like
possessed all. Yeah, probably thathonestly, now that you say it,
you know, but that brings usto the man himself, Mike the Spike.
What a little stinker, a trulyunpleasant fuckerum voice though of course by

(21:33):
Paul Rubens, who I have.There's probably ones I don't know about I
can think of two other DC rolesthat he's been a part of, do
you guys? Do you guys?I feel like the one is is more
famous than the other. Yeah,I don't remember, Like I saw again,
I saw this, No, Ididn't want to look it up because

(21:55):
I didn't want to be that person. It's like I did the research,
so I couldn't answer the qud umSo, I have no idea. I
had no recollection of him being anotherDC stuff, but I'm guessing it's probably
more voiceover stuff, and I admitadmittedly behind when it comes to DC animation.
Is there is the more obscure oneyou're referring to Gotham? Uh No,
but that, but I was kindof counting that as the and he

(22:17):
plays Chester cobble Pot I think inthe Burton movie and then reprises it in
a sort in Gotham, So Iguess that is kind of two different things.
But legacy. He is also thevoice of bat Might in um Brave
in the Bold and Batman Brave inthe Bold. Oh that's cool, yeah,
which which is a great role forhim as the high pitched, annoying

(22:41):
character that you also love, youknow, I don't know if there's anything
else. But I'm like, oh, yeah, there is. There is
a history of him being involved withthese these shows. That's so cool.
I don't think I ever got farenough in Gotham to have seen Penguin's Dad.
Oh I either season and like fourepisodes of the second season, I

(23:02):
was like, this is dumb.When I stop. Yeah, I had
a similar thing, but but theInternet taught me years later, like Paul
Rubens is back as just a cobblepot and I'm like, back, I
don't know about Okay, sure,I watched all five seasons of Gotham.
I'll say this, so I'm gettinga lot of wows. I mean that's
I did fifteen seasons of Supernatural,so five of Gotham is not I understand.

(23:22):
I understand. Yeah, okay,I guess. So sure, I
liked the five seasons of Supernatural myself. I understand. I understand with Gotham
not to take us a field,but with Gotham, the second season was
a little it was a little touchand go in the second season. So
if that's where you dropped it,like, I understand, But it picks
up it ebbs and flows over thecourse of the five seasons. But at
its best, it really was verystrong. I liked it. But and

(23:45):
again, if you are ever gonnadelve back in, at least it's a
relatively minimal commitment compared to some othershows Tonat what when how long was Rubens?
Was he in like just one episodeor an episode or two or something?
Yeah, I don't it might haveonly just been one or maybe a
few. I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't like a season long arc
or anything like that. Yeah,that's probably an expensive fish get for that

(24:07):
show too. He does a fewepisodes of Legends as this Mike the s
White character, though, Um hecomes back I think two or three times,
well because he's also in the nextso like this episode sort of gets
cut off by what happens with Constantine, and then he comes back at the
end of the next episode when itgets fixed right, and then when when
you know, he he gets basicallytrapped as Mike the Stein if you will,

(24:32):
and comes back at least once morethis season. I love though that.
You know, how much do wehave to get into this? I
don't know where we want to getinto the fight with this, but essentially,
um, they're at a party theyfigure out it's a doll. Nick
burns it pretty quickly. We bringthe burned carcass of this little Sailor boy
doll back on the ship and itleaves Mike's spirit, leaves the doll and

(24:56):
landers into a case smarked three ohnine and into the Stein puppet, which
just sorry, this was the firsttime I had noticed the numbers on the
case. It's cute, right,yeah, three on nine being the episode
where we last saw it, whichis Biebo Got the War, the episode
where we saw the Stein puppet.And of course, you know, a

(25:21):
friend of the show, Tonny Derbyshire, built all these Stein puppets. She
was I forget if she said thison the show even but I remember when
we had like dinner for the firsttime, she was like flipping out when
she heard that Paul Rubens was goingto voice this little puppet that she felt
but Stein, you know, getsloose on the ship. We can kind
of come back to that bit.Is this the first time that Mick actually

(25:44):
calls him professor Son? WHOA,I love his delivery? Interesting that delivery
though, by the way, whenyou see that, wow, that's interesting
maybe, But now now I'm blankingthough what's he call them, because it's
not Gray, is it. No, Gray is what Jax calls him.

(26:06):
I think he just calls him professor. But professor okay, oh okay,
so it's not okay, not toofar up. No. It was just
I was like, this is thefirst time he'd use his name once again
to the show. Too. Verygood at keeping things around without having to
keep like older characters, Like thisis a great way to have Victor Garbin

(26:26):
without having to pay Victor Garber,if you know what I mean. Yep,
very cute. I assume he doesn'tget money because a doll that kind
of looks like him. Yeah,good, But I don't know. I
don't I don't do contracts. Turnsout, it turns out. So one
of the things with this this season, like the season of Legends, that
I like the most, is sortof the Constantine's like being in love with

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Dez and that being his like mainmotivation for this season. It was it
was, like you said at thebeginning of the show, is nice to
have Constantine be like focused on somethingother than Astram. But at the same
time, it was like, it'sthis very nice part of him that we
don't usually see like him actually likebeing in this like loving relationship and then

(27:12):
it turning out to be terrible.And it also means that Matt Ryan gives
us like ridiculously good performances all seasonlong. But this is the first time
I think he really references days inthis season. Yeah, I think we
hear it. We hear the nameonce, but this is the first time
we see the actor and like seethe flashbacks and that type of thing.
Yeah, we actually like see theirrelationship. Yeah, and as much as

(27:34):
we see it throughout the season,and it's really nice, Like it brings
a lot of pathos to this characterand too this season two, which has
mostly been like, you know,fun magical romps through time. Yeah,
up to this point, you know, it's fun too. Again see this
daffy character, like actually he justlived in a timeline for a little bit
and fell in love with the guyand they were just like playing house and

(27:56):
hanging out and being happy. Likeit was just nice and of course something
you know, the fact that he'swith a man probably wouldn't have happened in
the original NBC show. So it'snice that we get to the first time
we see this John actually in lovewith someone it's a guy. That's great.
Yeah, that was That was thething that I was going to say
too, is like this is alsolike his being bisexual, which he is

(28:18):
in the comics too. Um,it wasn't just a joke like previously it's
been a throw off joke about Gary, right, but now it's actually like
it's an important part of his youknow, his life and his background.
Um, Anthony, how do youfeel about Constantine enjoining the show? It's
It's funny because I think I onlyever saw the pilot of of his solo

(28:41):
series and I liked it. Itwas one of those things where it's like,
oh, yeah, I'll keep watchingthis, and then I did it,
and then it got canceled, andthen it just sort of felt like
why bother? But still you shouldstill enjoy it for what it is.
But that's that's probably part of whyI never did. But I will say
I enjoyed it, but it gotcanceled for a reason. It never really
got okay fair enough, But no, I was. I was happy to
see him make his arrow Verse debutand then and then join this show.

(29:06):
I mean again, it's it's weirdbecause he is this notorious loner so kind
of putting him in this team environment, but then that leads to friction and
different storylines, so it works.And yeah, it was it was great
to see this side of the characterand also to get more of a sense
of where he's coming from, becausethere's this abrasiveness to his character. But
it's like, you see what he'sbeen through. You know, it's one
thing for him to just kind ofbe how he is, but to actually

(29:27):
see, you know, what he'sbeen through and sort of what accounts for
this. Uh, you know,I appreciate it and yet great performance.
I mean when and I will getto it, but like when he's when
he travels through time and he's he'strying to break things off with Dez and
it's it's, you know, it'sheartbreaking to watch that. Also though,
timing wise, it's it's so funnythat we're and I know, obviously Legends

(29:48):
always deals with time travel, butthis this angle in particular of trying to
go back in time to save someone, consequences to the timeline be damned.
It's so funny that we're talking aboutthis whatever in the midst of a certain
DC film. So that's obviously topof mind as well as as I'm rewatching
this and this idea of fixed pointsand things like that, So yeah,

(30:14):
yeah, they don't like, couldwe get into the fixed point thing for
a second. I don't think we'veever discussed, but I don't know if
this is the first time, butbut Zari basically says, like, you
know, Dez being dragged to Hellmust be a fixed point in time or
a point where the timeline is fixedor whatever. And Anthony, I don't
know if you know this, butin season seven they kind of established the

(30:37):
rules of what a fixed point is, and most fixed points have UM guardians
on them, like Yabartzon is afixed point for arch Duke Ferdinand's assassination in
season seven spoilers. It's very cool, it's worth your time, but like
that type of thingum And obviously ifyou guys all watch the end of the

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Flash, it turns out the nightthat Nora Allen dies is a fixed point
that there is no guardian there.There's just like eighteen versions of Barry throughout
throughout the seasons, you know,showing up. But because of that and
because of this type of thing,like this is just my own little head
canon thing where to my mind,like maybe there were these fixed points in

(31:26):
time in the timeline, but likepeople were more respectful of it, like
didn't mess with it as much.That's why we don't get kind of the
institution of it around here, Tricia. We also have the Time Bureau that
isn't the police that are in theshow at the end that arrest everybody where.
It's like they're not kind of monitoringthis with whatever system is going so
for to my thinking, it's likeafter basically the Time Bureau takes a ship

(31:51):
and gets dissolved, and whenever thoseother police that will never know more about
get involved, like they're the onesthat kind of institute this, Like no
any debt watchers on these fixed pointsgoing forward, and that's that's where that
kind of I don't know the mechanicsof that come in and they know at
this point like there's too many peopleat Norah Allen's death at this point,

(32:13):
like that is what it is,but going forward we should watch these it
is. It is interesting that likeone of the things that we don't get
to learn in seventh season is thesort of like who put them there?
Right, yes, Like who isin charge of assigning people to fix points,
Who made up these rules, whomade up those two drestands, those
little cuffs? Yeah, yeah,yeah, Anthony, Like anyone that's a

(32:37):
guardian of fixed point basically has likean ankle monitor genie cuff thing that like
keeps them locked and makes them ata time loop. They have to constantly
relive the same day over and overand over again, um, in order
to protect it from time travelers whoare apparently making bets on breaking a fixed
point. But I think that alsoit's sort of the idea of like Nora
Allen's murder is a fixed point inthe sense that it affects berries timeline and

(33:02):
a great deal, like a hugeamount, but the rest of the world
is more or less fun sure,So like it feel like when he goes
back and he makes flash point,like, yeah, the timeline is different,
but it's mostly surrounding him in CentralCity, whereas it's not affecting everyone
in the world. If you breaka major fixed point, like the assassination

(33:24):
of our Chief Ferdinand, you don'thave World War one, which is a
massive world changing the entire timeline isdestroyed and chaos, chaos rings kind of
thing. So I would say that, like I don't personally feel like does
his death is or his speaks atthe hell is a fixed point in the

(33:44):
same way. I think it's morelike Nora Allen's where it's gonna affect locality
and it's not going to affect likethe entire world as we see in the
next episode. I like this too. I like how nerdy we got into
this this quick. No, Ilove it. There's a great here's a
great issue of Booster Old the JeffJohn series that that that iteration I believe
um where Booster goes back in timeto try to save Barbara Gordon, prevent

(34:07):
her from being shot by the Joker, and it's just like, no matter
why he does, it just keepshappening. It's just like over and over
and over. I don't know ifthey used it. It's been years since
I read. I don't if theyuse the term fixed point. But just
like that concept um, you know, always always resonated, so you know,
you know that aspect of it definitelytracks, and you know there's that

(34:27):
very tragic aspect to it. I'venever read any Booster Gold and I keep
hearing really good things about like thatrun. Yeah, yeah, that sounds
right. I've seen him. I'veread him in like jail I and that
type of thing, but not hisown book. That sounds I'll be honest,
it's not my all time favorite series, but that if you're going to
write an issue, I read theBack Girl issue, and again I think

(34:49):
that was one of the stronger andmore interesting ones. And I always think
about that, especially when we're gettinginto this business of fixed points. Yeah,
time travel, please will have tokeep that which comes up at every
time. Fra will show um,so of course he's going to come up
here. But the only thing that'sfixed in this case is him meeting Does,
which will ultimately lead I guess toDas being bonded to Neroon, right,

(35:14):
yes, and then being sent toHell for that reason. But there's
a lot more with Daz, whichis like part of the reason that we
that the New Orleans episode is whydoes coming up? Because as we find
out, he is the great grandsongreat great Yeah, I know, I
don't know if something like that.He is a descendant of Marie Lava,
who hast pointed out was a realperson. Yeah, I had no idea,

(35:35):
a very very interesting lady. Yeah, it's cool. I did a
little bit of research on her,and Tricia tell me if I'm missing anything
key. But one of the keythings that kept popping up was like,
we think this is what happened,but history is a bit fuzzy, and
it's bad when there are typos inhistorical logs because then we just don't fucking
know, like like there's part ofher that's like we think she was born

(36:00):
to by the way, like freeblack parents in their early eighteen hundreds,
fucking you know, incredible, thoughthe identity of the father's a bit fuzzy
because history as typos. She hadlike two daughters early on who disappear from
history because history as typos. Butyes, she was a real voodoo practitioner

(36:21):
who also who also had a littlebit of a hustle, where like she'd
kind of like con the white ladiesof society by learning shit from like overhearing
them or like their servants or theirslaves would tell them tell her things,
and then she'd spew it back tothem, and you know, seem even
the more magical. I think thattype of thing is just fucking fun.

(36:43):
One of the things that I coupall the things that I found out when
I was reading up on her waslike, so part of her hustle in
that way was she owned a hairsalon, so there were white ladies coming
to her hair salon and she wouldlike talk to them and learn things,
and then she would pay their servantsto tell her gossip and then she read
the spew it back to them andbe a clairvoyant basically, which I think

(37:05):
is so cool. And then shebasically like ran things in parts of New
Orleans. She was one of theleaders of the Voodoo Church and what the
third female leader at that point.It's like a bunch of super interesting things
about her, Like she isn't interesting, she was an interesting lady. And
as Zari says when they're talking abouther, one of the few black women

(37:27):
in eighteen fifties New Orleans who hasany power. So yeah, well to
talk about that too. Again,it was always a free black woman who
owned her own slaves, which whatever. Died in eighteen eighty one peacefully at
home at the age of seventy nine, and then had this big, huge
funeral with like both uppercrust black andwhite society in attendance. So like she

(37:51):
was just like an early on caseof like no like everyone respected her is
she had some she was thought tohave some sort of supernatural power, but
obviously also had her own like cloutand societal power too. Just super cool.
And then there's another story that Isaw that was in nineteen eighty two,
the band that Misfits was arrested foran accuse of attempting to exhume her

(38:14):
from her too, So it's Jerseyfor the wind Baby. That's fascinating.
And there's a reference in the showtoo right to her being portrayed by Angela
Bassett, and that's referring to AmericanHorror Story, right, American Horror Story,
which is a wildly inaccurate version becausein that version she's like kind of
evil, like she does weird babysacrifice at some point or something. It's

(38:37):
very strange because it's American Horror Storyand we've got to do yea. One
of the when I was when Iwas looking at her up, one of
the things I found was an essay. I can't remember which university it was
um, but some student had writtenan essay about how like it's really annoying
that this this show gets Marie Lavosso wrong, because she was actually kind

(38:58):
of a hero to a lot ofpeople, and this show just made her
awesome and tied her to a superduper hot like great grandson or whatever in
the futures. So Legends for theWind, Legends for the Wind. Anyway,
is this whole thing with this medallionand that's some very little finds her.
Basically she's like, no, John, like, you gotta fucking fix
this, like saved my kin.Basically, go figure this out. And

(39:22):
off he goes with this plan tofix the timeline with Charlie and they're gonna
try to try to change or stophim from meeting Dez, which the butterfly
effect that will then help Charlie notget her powers seized. This all goes
well until Azari gets wind of it, and be it turns out like he

(39:45):
didn't meet des at the restaurant hemade him having a smoke break later on,
and the same shit happen. Ilike the whole vision of him,
his memory is changing. Yes,me too. It's the first time really
that they kind of have to squarewith people having a couple different timelines versions
of things in their head, becausethat like the whole team has that at

(40:06):
a certain point going forward in theseries. I also love the there's a
skill to kind of writing these thingswhen you know that you're going to be
going back to the same day andsame time and changing things in these time
travel shows. But it's just thecool thing of like seeing you know,
I'll say past John leave the apartmentas new John is hiding behind the bush,

(40:28):
and then by the second episode there'sa third John there and you know
all the craziness of that. Butbasically his plan is just to go in
intel Dez. He put him undera love spell and that he didn't love
him, and seemingly that works fora while until we break time. So
one of the things you mentioned atthe tip is that Constantine had taken away
Charlie's ability to the shape shift.Yes, and that's why she goes with

(40:51):
Constantine, because he never joins thelegends. He's never there to stoffer from
being able to shape shift. Didwe did we talk at all with you?
Think about how you feel about theCharlie A maya thing? Oh,
I think you might have asked.I don't know if I if I addressed
it. Yeah, I mean Ican't remember. Yeah, I liked it.
I mean I like I like theactress. And so this notion of

(41:13):
allowing allowing Amaya to move on right, but still keep the performer there.
I like that, you know,and it and it you know clearly,
you know, especially on the Natefront. You know, really there was
hymn for a loop. So no, I like that. I was a
fan. I was a fan ofthis whole aspect. I was too.
This is the first time they didit, and I thought it worked so

(41:35):
well it almost justified the way theydo it in the future. Um So
eventually like sorry two point zero andthen way down the line of the last
season bringing Matt Ryan backs prime characterentirely because they finished Constant Tunes arc on
the show, and I found that'sso fascinating, and it was like it
was basically like they did the firsttime, so brilliantly well with Charlie that
it was just like, okay,fine, do whatever you want. Yeah,

(41:58):
you're right by the third time,not even referencing the fact that this
looks like Constantine, you know,like it's, yes, he's here,
whatever, don't worry about someone.But I think it's more like a young
Stein. I think it's one ofthe very cute anyway. Um, I
think it's a good time with theJohn and des of it all. To

(42:21):
check in with the ship blog,where like, just just to wrap up
John and Dez, this is reallythis in Legends of to Miamio. Really
the episode that deal with this themost and then does be kind of kind
of becomes the face of our bigbad for the rest of the season only
a little bit until it becomes rightright, that's true. Um, But
yeah, I just think I thinkit's handled well. I think it's fun

(42:45):
to give a new layer to whatJohn is upset about and basically distract him
from the Astra thing until we needto put her on the front burner by
the end of the season. MPatricia, any thoughts on Sarah and Eva?
Do I ever have thoughts on SarahNeva? I don't know what you're
talking about. I love them.This is a great episode for them to

(43:06):
just be solidly in a relationship.This is, of course, right before
the turmoil that comes in a coupleepisodes, which we've discussed when we did
the Nixon episode, which is actuallytwo three episodes from this. Um yeah,
going out of order. So yeah, this is um, this is
just before they get launched into somesome turmoil. But this is post the

(43:27):
season three ridiculousness. So this isjust them being nice and together in season
four. Um and you know,choosing to not live together but still technically
have an apartment together. But they'relike Sarah's still on the ship. It's
it's kind of interesting but kind offunny at the same time. And during
that your place or mine, yeahthing, you know, yeah, it's
like, you know, thanks forseeing them my place last night. Um

(43:51):
And I like, I love itwhen Amazon the ship, Like, I'm
really glad that's starting next season.Like she's just constantly on the ship because
I like her have her being around. Yeah, it's a great anthony.
Like in general on the show,do you have a specific or a favorite
pairing. It doesn't like our shiplug By the way doesn't have to be
romantic. It can be a likewe love seeing Nate hang out together.

(44:12):
Whatever. No, it's right,I think is my favorite pairing of the
show. Yeah, no, it'sit's it's the two of them. But
no, I love I love Sarahand Ava, and especially in this episode,
you know, just seeing them fullon in relationship mode, and I
feel like this was a natural sourceof tension, right, the friction between
her family in Mick and And andthe Girlfriend. And I liked how that

(44:34):
played out. And also too,to your point about just having Ava on
the ship, it's like getting herreaction to what goes on on the ship.
Yes, and how it differs somuch from the order of the time
Bureau. It's it makes sense andit's also a lot of fun. And
you know when she talks about howMick was robbing people blind, you know,
when they were in New Orleans andit's, you know, this running
thing on the show, it's like, yeah, we kind of look the

(44:55):
other way, like we know,yeah, do that. It was great.
Now, it was a lot offun. Yeah, this is early
on and Sarah sort of trying toconvince Ava that make is useful. So
we let him steal because it keepshim on the ship and keeps him happy
totally. We also let him occasionallyplay with with our magical items. If
it means that he gets to havehis alien girlfriend. Um, we get

(45:16):
we get Garima, his his theum you know whatever, his three breaths
of alien warrior girlfriend. Yeah,I was just like his girlfriend essentially that
that he dreams up um and kindof Ava puts puts the gabash on that
and takes the diary that that makesthat possible from previous episodes away, which

(45:36):
leads to um, exactly what wewere just saying, this kind of family
dinner where Sarah um yeah quote unquoteSarah makes a meal and Gideon tries to
correct her um but tries to getthem to sit down, and Nick kind
of goes for the jugular here ofwhy do you get to have a fake
girlfriend? And idol, I mean, it's it's a it's it's such a

(45:59):
cutting comment and uh, and youknow clearly, you know he's he's trying
to hurt in that sense. Butthen at the same time you look at
Mick and sort of, I don'tknow the limitations of his reasoning, and
it's like, in his mind,maybe he doesn't see as much of a
distinction between what what he was doingright versus I mean, you know,

(46:20):
again, I think ultimately knows,but at the same time, maybe to
cut him a little slack, alittle slack that you know, for him
in his mind, he maybe it'snot not as crystal clear. I like
Ava, like the one just reallyinteracts so many times during the show,
but anytime they do, it's alwaysfunny because they are polar opposites, absolutely

(46:43):
polar opposites, and it's so interesting. Um. And I think of course
about you know, later in seasonsix with Sarah's missing, and Ava yells
at him and it makes him likebutton up and like, yeah, do
some stuff. Go get it done. Yeah, go get it done.
Yeah, And it's I don't know, it's just I just I really like
that pairing of people because I likepairings of really disperate personalities, and this

(47:06):
conversation is just very funny because Ithink they're both actually quite sunny people.
Yes, I agree, and theydo. They kind of get a sads
quote in the next episode, butin this one at least, like they
get to start fighting together and theytake on Mike the Spike for a little
bit. Like that's really when whenthings kind of start going in this episode,
and Mike the Spike gets loose onthe ship as Stein is stabbing people

(47:28):
and cutting people and and Mick ispunching him out to help Eva and vice
versa, um, and it allleads to the very cool freeze framey shot
on the bridge and a bitum meanwhile, well all that is happening, there's
also this I don't know d story. Yeah, it's suffered story that's happening
at the time tore that we havenot talked about because it doesn't matter to

(47:51):
this episode, but it doesn't matterlater. Well it matters a little bit
later. Um, yeah, Idon't know. I feel like Gary does.
Mona and Cope were talking Rna andCope. Yeah, and also Gary
and also a little bit a littlebit neat. I gotta say, I
know I was. I was alittle down on the time bureau side and
Gary and Mona before. But Iwill say the scene where Nate and Mona

(48:12):
have this misunderstanding where she's talking aboutwho she's interested in and Nate assumes it's,
uh, it's Gary and it's actuallywhat's his name? That to me
was was great. Where she's like, what about the man meet? I'm
pretty sure he's had some what isit? They don't judge judge yet?
That that was great. That actually, even though that's not the strongest part

(48:37):
of the episode, that storyline thatmade it worth it for me. I
just it really cracked me up.I agree. This is like a Nate
has nothing to do in this episodeand still kind of steals the two scenes
he's in. Yeah, yeah,he really does nothing to do because I
think they're sort of like it's likethey're giving him days off because he's going
to be very busy verse. Yesthat's true. Um, but yeah,

(48:58):
sorry to Gary keeps surfing that sexualsexual spectrum there, buddy, but um,
yeah, No, we start thisromance between Mona and Cope, which
is just kind of odd to mebecause I'm like, I see Coope,
sorry the Cope, but I'm like, out of this attraction actually start or
whatever? But did? She seemsshe seems to be like already into it.

(49:21):
I think we've met him before thisepisode. But yeah, no,
just an interesting I guess it justspeaks to Mona being being a very loving
person where she can see the goodin this guy even though he can't even
like speak her language. Really.Yeah, and the previous episode, um,
when she had been assigned as magicalcaretaker or whatever. Um she goes

(49:45):
in, it's like basically like Avaswants her to be like the prison warden
more or less um, and she'slike, you know, I want to
add the palm tree and sim assistantdirector of mean Creature care or whatever.
She is, right, She's like, you know, Avia says, this
is a prison Mona terrarium um.And so eventually like Ava comes around,
right, and um, that's heradd all those things and then that's like

(50:07):
she like gives him a belly ruband stuff. It's I don't know,
I don't really know where the actuallike attraction started, but maybe Mona is
just predisposed to liking magical creatures likethat. He seems nice, he does,
yeah, yeah, yeah, anyany defends her or whatever, because
this is again when things are gettinggoing. Meanwhile, while while you know,

(50:30):
we're fighting um puppets that shave offhalf our mustaches on the wave rider,
um, the evil Time Bureau guysare trying to steal Cananae away and
take him prisoner, and there's thebig fight with them. In that scuffle,
while Mona is trying to keep fromkilling somebody, she gets scratched.

(50:51):
Scratched pretty fucking hard, by theway. But we do get these kind
of cool freeze framing shots. Theshot of Mona like getting um like falling
backwards in time and like this thisparking garage with the circle of thing,
and it almost felt very gravity tome. It's just the imagery of that
of like Santa Polock in a pod. And meanwhile we get this cool like

(51:12):
inaction shot on the bridge of Sarahabout to drop kick Mike the Stein and
whatnot, and all this craziness ishappening because we've get a time wave coming
through thanks to John and Zari andCharlie fucking with things. I would like
to defend Zari. She had nothingto do with this. You're absolutely right,

(51:34):
Zori gets the shit end of thisstick, literally because she becomes a
cat. Yes, like, I'msorry, Anthony for your first episode with
us that we're ending you on acliffhanger, but there's no better cliffhanger in
the world than this cute little catwith its little totem necklace. No,
it's quite all right again, Ireally, I don't know that I remembered
much about this episode when I satdown to rewatch it, and I definitely

(51:57):
didn't remember the cliffhanger ending. Butit was cool, you know it.
Definitely it was a strong note toend on, so all good, no
pressure. Did anyone go right intowatching Legends of Timiama after this? I
did not know. Oh we did. I was watching this with my wife
Kat and she was like, I'dwatch the next one like you fuck it
beat Let's go. So that isso good. That probably why. Um,

(52:22):
most of the time, I thinkwe're gonna do episodes that are more
or less two parters um all atonce. But in this case, like
the Legends of Timiama like needs tobe its opisode. I agree. I
think it's also one of those thingswhere I'm like, it's too early for
us to cover something that great,Like we've gotten one so far as far
as I'm concerned, which was theone with the trapped on TV. But

(52:43):
like, we can't do that,we can't do here we go again.
You know that we'll get to thoseeventually. Yeah. Um, But in
the meantime, Patrician's game time.It's game time first. What's your legendary
moment? My legendary momentum. Itkind of reminded me. You have Batman
the Enimid series, whenever they'd havethe ventriloquist and Scarface on the fact that

(53:04):
they always got to just obliterate Scarfacebecause it's just a doll who cares.
And the same thing happens in thisepisode when we're at the like antebellum party
and we realized that Mike. ThisSpike is in a little sailor boy doll,
and Mick just comes in and roastit instantly, Like that's just that's
just fun for me, like seeingkind of all the legends gather around.
It's big, pulls out the gunand goes for it, Like that's just

(53:27):
fun. I was gonna pick thatone, um, but since you picked
it, I'm gonna go to mysecond choice, which is Sarah and Amos
kiss before dying. Oh that wasso cute too. Yeah. When I
watched it the first time, Iwas like, this is the best episode,
both of them living their best livesfor a second. Yeah, like
we shouldn't slit up. Yeah,but another one of us is exactly helpless.

(53:47):
Like the second ways stop and bothdecide to come back and kiss each
other before they go off to fightan evil possessed all yep, I liked
it. It was great, allright, so most valuable Legend. This
was hard for me because again itis the setup for the next episode.
I guess Sarah and I say thatjust because, like again I said earlier,

(54:08):
she knows exactly what show she's in. At this point, She's like,
oh, we're doing a chucky thing. Yeah, we've got to split
up. It's gonna be fine,you know, Like we'll figure it out.
Like there's there's a confidence in herweird, dumb life that she's living
at this point that I really enjoy. I could make for the same reason
that you piped that scene in alegendary moment, because I like him.

(54:30):
Just watch me in like, nononsense, just shooting the thing. It's
just a doll. We don't haveto discuss this. I'm gonna roast them
all out of it. All right, here's here's our favorite part, which
is cards to Save the Timeline.I think I did okay on this one
this time. I yeah, Iwas. I was a little behind the
ball scenarios. I've got. Theworst day on the wave Rider was when

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the serial killer Dibbeck possessed Blank Rayquote mustache you not too Blank, And
in order to keep an eye onConstantine, Gideon fabricated a hidden tracker in
his blank. I have big easiers. They taste like blank, and Ava
and Nick finally bonded over blank cutesolutions in people. I had Zari Kat,

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Mike the Spike, and a tastefor man meat, and I have
change of history. Commando, whichis my favorite line of the whole episode.
An evil, a murderous Stein puppet, the murder boy of this closet,
and the seward perfect Anthony. Wheneverwe actually make a game of this
and have our cards to save thetimeline, the thing we'll have to get

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you back involved in. It's justjust for waiting through all these dumb games.
I love it. I can't waittill we actually put this on cards
and try to play it. Yeah. I hope we haven't totally screwed up
how to build this gift. Butby the way I've looked into it,
like, we'll have to figure itout. How much how interested we are
in this trick show, But it'snot too much money for us to get

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a deck or two of these madeultimate. Okay, cool, well we'll
make that a budget item at thetime, all right, So Bengo,
so bingo. One thing. Firstof all, I realized we missed we
missed Twosari's in Yeah, so Iforget who had it, but but one
of us had it on the board, So shame on us. Um In

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this episode we get some Constantine firehands, but we already had it on
our board. We have the cword. We had Jump in the Jump
Ship DC's Puppets of Tomorrow, andthen we have an important one, Tricia,
where I need to know whether wethink that there is a Gideon malfunction
because Gideon is offline in this episode, or if there was a ship broken

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situation. And for personal reasons,I think this should be a U decision
because it's going to affect whether Iwouldn't Bengo or all right, remind you
what happens. Um, Mike takesGideon offline and it's just getting in at
something else. It's I'm pretty sure. Yeah, But I think the only
reason they don't avoid like the timeWave is they're distracted with dealing with Mike.

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Because when when Ava and Sarah splitup, I think Sarah's like,
I'm gonna go get Gideon online.Someone's gonna go get Gideon online. Someone's
gonna go try to track down thedoll. Okay, So I'm gonna go
with Gideon malfunction. Well, goodnessfor me, Bingo. I didn't know
which one was gonna give you.That's why I didn't. I didn't want

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to weigh into I just had tobe honest. So I literally started looking
at the board this morning, goinglike shit, I'm really far from Bingo.
Then I started filling it in.I'm like, oh, actually with
two Zaris and if we do Gideonmalfunction, I'm there. Um. So
with that said, we're still goingto roll at the end of this episode.
And again, Anthony, thanks forhanging in here. Not all good,

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it's a lot of fun. Um, We're still going to roll in
a second. But I did writedown a list of four episodess um that
will put to a poll and recordas the the second tip the two episodes
from now basically, So with thatsaid, listeners, um, please vote

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on our socials that Tricia will benice enough to put up for us.
Um. But here are the episodesthat I pulled out. Just favorites.
Moonshot from season two, from seasonthree, We've got Freak Show from season
four, Taguma Attacks, and fromseason six the Final Frame. Um.
Not huge ones, any of them, but just ones I enjoy watching.

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Um. I almost did Raiders ofthe Lost art, but it felt like
it was too close to the Raidersepisode that we just did. Ok.
Yeah, um, Anthony, doyou have like any favorite time missions or
you know, um scenarios that theywound up in just from memory from the
show, because like, I reallydo love the episode where they have to

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convinced Lucas George Lucas to stay infilm school. Oh man, I wish
I had a good answer. Offthe top of my head. I'm just
gonna go back to the prison breakthing because I remember that, but I
know that's not We go to somany interesting places as the show moves forward.
Yeah, I would really have tothink about it. It's been it's
been a little while. But again, you know, I thank you for
having me, and I appreciate theopportunity to kind of delve back into this

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show because what I'm reminded of ishow much I enjoyed it when I was
watching it, and also as muchas I've sort of lumped a lot of
these arrow Verse shows together in termsof my feeling like, oh they you
know, they kind of dropped inquality and that's why I stopped watching.
And I don't know that that necessarilyapplies to Legends, like I said at
the beginning, So again, Idon't know how just for time, I

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don't know how likely it'll be thatI'll finish seasons five through seven, But
I'm at least more inclined to doit now after this. So so again
I thank you, and I'll haveto get back to you on other missions.
That really that really jumped out.I really have to think about that.
That's totally fair. Again, ifyou think of some let us know,
like, thank you for coming toplay. Um, like, yeah,

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when when we met and obviously you'rea huge Superman fan, is like
literally I had just wrapped up Loisand clarked AND's like, oh fuck,
you know, he would have beengreat to have, but you were nice
enough to have me come on andtalk. That's my one of my favorite
aspects of Lowis and Clark tempest um. So thank you for that. Yeah,
perfection. Um, so thank youfor joining us. But please stick

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around while we roll to see whichepisode we cover next. Tricia, I
believe it's my turn to roll,so I will get the episode guide.
All right, cool? Rolling fora season? Season seven? Oh,
season seven? This will be ourfirst season seven? Can I can I
just say this? If it's thefinale, we should roll again? Yeah?

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Last great? Great? Yeah,okay, cool. There are thirteen
episodes. Thirteen episodes and twelve orfive and twelve revival. Yeah, okay
cool. Seven h seven, sevenh seven, seven h seven is going
to be a Woman's Places in theWar Effort, the Rosie the Riveter episode.
Yes, indeed, fun okay,cool, I remember this being a

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fun one. Yeah, and there'ssome really fun histories I've to talk about
too cool cool, So that willbe that, and then the next episode
will be whatever is decided. That'smy bingo pick cool. So well,
thank you again Anthony for joining usfor this weird ass episode of Lega tomorrow.
Who knows when we'll get to Leegesof to Miamio, but um,

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there will be a seat at thetable for you when when the time comes.
For sure. Um, I wentthrough your whole podcasting kingdom earlier.
But but what's what's going on foryou? Where can people find you?
Sure? So? Yeah, youmentioned the show is digging for Kryptonite.
That's the main Superman show. Ido my own rewatch podcast. We're going
through the George Reeves Adventures of Supermanseries. That's called another Exciting Episode.

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And then yeah, for Anny PowerRangers fans, it's called Summoning the Swords
and that's been a ton of funand all of those shows are available wherever
you get podcasts, and also invideo form on YouTube if anyone wants to
watch. And social media wise,I think Digging for Kryptonite is the best
place to sort of follow, soI have pages on Facebook, Twitter,
and Instagram, and Twitter in particularis at Digging for kr pod. So

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I hope people connect and I hopethey check out the shows. And akay,
thank you guys for having me.This is a lot of fun and
I love and I've said this toyou off Mike Man, but I love
the I just love the approach ofrolling the dice and jumping around the way
the legends do. I think it'sreally it's a cool hook for the show,
So keep up the great work.Well, thank you, and I
have to say to you, asI've said before, I think anyone that's

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hasn't wasn't familiar with you and islistening to this. Anthony as a perfect
podcasting voice, is a very thoughtfulhost of his shows and does a great
job with them. I especially lovethe Summoning the Swords podcast because I was
a huge Power Rangers fan for likea year as a kid and then completely

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lost track of it. So I'mlearning so much of the shit that happened
once I left, listening to yourpodcast and listening to the true fans that
stayed with that and know the lorelike backwards and forwards, And for me,
it's kind of a like, Idon't think I would enjoy just personally
watching those seasons of those shows becauseI just don't have the nostalgia for it.

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But it's a bit of the StarWars prequels for me, where like
if you explain it to someone,it sounds fucking great and it's very interesting,
So it makes for great podcasting.Oh thank you. That has been
really it's been a lot of fun. Delving into all of the Superman material
is wonderful. The Power Rangers thingis its own, its own, it's
own little lane, and it's it'sreally been a lot of fun. And
it's just this crazy thing, likeI love this so much as a kid,

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and I always kind of assumed whenI would go back to look at
it, I'd be like, therewas always this fear that I'd be like,
Oh, why did I like thisso much? And it's the opposite.
It's like I watch it now,I'm like, oh, like I
totally totally get it's awesome, butthank you. I'm glad it's still kind
of hits for you like that.And is it fair to say that that's
more of a limited series type,like that won't be ongoing forever or like
where are you with that show?I don't want to put words in your

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mouth that is, did I tellyou this off, Mike, because that
is fair to say you might beclairvoyant. But yeah, the Power Rangers
show. If this is by theway, if you don't want this to
be public, we can cover this. If not, just start this over.
Okay, Yeah, there summoning theorders saying that's not going to run
forever. I'm sort of I,as the subtitle says, a Power Rangers
fan journey, I have sort ofa specific, uh you know, time
frame that I'm looking at as I'mtracing my journey through the show. Kind

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of to your point, I I'mnot looking to necessarily cover beyond where I
watched as a kid, just becauseI don't know that I'd have as much
to bring to it. Right,I'm covering the suffec I remember, and
now I'm looking at it with fresheyes, and that to me is the
sweet spot. So no, Idon't anticipate that will run forever. But
also there's I suppose like there's goingto be Netflix stuff, and if for

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some reason you're into that, youcan always dust off the swords and get
back in the commands from there.Because once arranger podcaster, always arranger podcasters.
So that's well, thank you againAnthony for joining us. Everybody please
check him out, and we'll beback for our first season seven episode.
I'm very excited. Figure I loveseason seven. Actually I didn't. I

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was worried about it. We'll talkabout it a little bit. Who we'll
get there, okay, So lookforward to that. But in the meantime,
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