025: 3x14, Amazing Grace

How sweet the sound?! Your blue suede co-captains talk all things Elvis, time no longer being like cement, and season five’s weird episode order(s).

CARDS TO SAVE THE TIMELINE
Scenarios:
• Ray’s chore wheel says it’s your week to take care of ____. 
• We’ve been alerted to an anachronism thanks to the appearance of _______.
Solutions/People:
• Nate’s trademark volume and sheen.
• Your stillborn twin’s adult ghost.
• Elvis’ haunted guitar.
• Getting the high score on Ms. Pac-Man. 

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• Speedster
• It’s Totem Time!
• Mick Steals Something• Sara Puntacular
• Flash Ref
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Episode Transcript

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Hey, tric and Elvis fan.No, okay, I actually have a
tiny Elva story to tell you.Oh uh oh, let's cut to the
theme. Then. Yes, Somy mom saw Elvis live. Okay,

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she was young, like teenager,but it was nineteen seventy five or seventy
six. It was right before hedied. So she talks about it as
like so like she didn't really evenwant to go. This woman that she
was like babysitting for had a ticketand like let her come with her.
And she's like, you know,but it was like the seventies Elvis.
So he was fat and sweaty andkind of gross and yeah, and I

(00:51):
just wanted the comedian to come backon. And I'm like, I'm sorry,
man, okay. Rough. Somy mom not a big fan of
Elvis. Yeah, this is howour kids will talk about seeing the Backstreet
Boys when they're you know, likethis is like, oh, we got
the fat version. The three ofthem have died, you know, like
it wasn't Yeah, it's not good. I can't believe I just compared to

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Elvis to the Backstreet Boys. Buthere we are, welcome back of our
time. Yeah, welcome back toalways hold on the DC's Legends Up tomorrow.
I'm one of your co captains,Matt Truex, and I'm your other
co captain, Tricia Ennis. Weare here, and we're here. We
are here. We are here onthis podcast, we're talking about amazing grace.
We are. Season three, episodefourteen, Elvis e Stuff. Elvis

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Stuff, aired March twelfth, twentyeighteen, Written by Matthew Mala and Tyrone
B. Carter, directed by DavidA. Ghetti's ratings great compared to last
week, one point two six million. The season average is two point twenty

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four but no episode beside the crossoveractually cracks two million, so that's a
that's a very weighted score. It'sa big crossover too, so that does
make sense. It is a bigeide this year. And then we got
Bbo, Like this is this istruly a great Legends time to be alive.
Yeah, it really is a goodtime. It's one of my favorite
times. And honestly, when Icome back to the show, I come

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back and pick it up, youknow, with Bibo got of War.
So this is very much within therealm of episodes that I've rewatched more than
other ones. But speaking of which, we have our Team Rundown, which
is mostly just made up of ouractual normal all the time legends with some
exceptions. Yeah, so we haveSarah Ray, Mick, Nate is already

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one point zero a Maaya, andWally West joining the team full time in
this episode. Yes, this istruly, he's moving into the wave Rider
right like this is he's here tostay, but just kidding right in the
he's here to stay for a littlebit. In the previous episode he like
did Chinanians and ended up being adoptedonto the team for a little bit.

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And then we also have our timeeurea of people who are not actually in
this episode. So Ava and Garyare in the story but not in the
episode, and we've got Constantine inthe mix. But we just have a
like I called Constantine and he gaveus all this exposition and rips around and
rips around, rips at the TimeBureau, right like he brought Wally to
them in the episode. He's alsolike fucking around elsewhere. Yeah, he's

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in and out. Okay, that'sfine. And just to end their housekeeping
it Totem Time season three, guys, Demon Malice is out there where after
all of the Totems out there tocomplete the set of six. But unfortunately
we don't know what the sixth oneis to It's a mystery to be solved.
At the end of the teaser inthis episode, very quickly we figure

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out what the sixth Yeah, thesixth totem is that we do agree,
Well, we'll get we'll get intoit. But I I like that there's
a there's a mystery element to it. I agree. I guess they could
have just called Constantine. This isalso this death totem which we which appears
in this episode and we did thenext episode previously. This is the only

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totem I believe that is originated onlegends, like the other ones appear in
the Vixen TV show. In theVixen TV show that is, by the
way, between season one and seasontwo of this year podcast. I watched
that Vixen TV show again and I'mlike, oh, I forgot. How
much of the lore of all thistotem stuff comes directly from the show that

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nobody watched. Yeah, because I'malso one of those people who did not
watch it, maybe that can beone of our highest things this year.
Yeah, it's fun, it's quick. Yeah, it's fun. It's quick,
it'll be it'll be interesting, andI haven't watched it. I've I
only ever watched the Vixen episodes ofAerrow. So yeah, so this is
the totem stuff where there's really nota lot honestly to recap because they have

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some of the totems at this point, and like Theigzari comes with the Aero
tootem, and obviously Amaya comes theSpirit Totem. Kawasa, Amaya's granddaughter from
the future, has the Water Totem. The Fire Totem is in play as
is Oh the Fire Totem needs tobe reformed, which is what Ray's talking
about in this episode. So whatwe'll do in the next episode. But
Amaya's totem got stolen, right,Amaya's totem got stolen as part of the

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like thing. It's just it's awhole thing a lot. So there's a
lot going on in the background,but there's not a lot going on that
actually pertains to this episode. Sobasically they're just on a fetch quest.
It's the usual fetch quest of theseason to try to find all the totems,
and so they they discover that thereis one in this episode and it's
with a very famous musician. Soshall we get into it. Let's get

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into it. I hope you handdogsare ready for some Elvis talk because it's
basically the whole episode. And I'mgonna have a little tiny rant in a
minute about why I'm upset about that, but okay, I do it.
Look forward to it. So Elvisinventor of rock and roll, though it
was stolen from black musicians. Butthat's really not for the Legends of Tomorrow
to have to fix, is it. No, they're not gonna They're not

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gonna fix this specific thing. Andin fact, there's a lot of weird
race stuff that should come up thatdoesn't in the same Yeah, they do
the Legends thing of like, ifwe touch on this too much, then
it becomes the whole episode. Sowe're just going a little there's a little
a little peppering of racism and thenmove on same thing. I feel like
we did the same peppering of Elvis'sbio here. Now. I am no
Elvis aficionado. I liked the buzzLherman movie. That's a I like Blue

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Hawaii. That's about as deep asI go. But it does feel like
we're just gonna like picking and choosingfrom We looked up the words that we
need from his bio and threw themin here. I don't know, how
do you? Yeah, no,very much. So. So like the
first song the plays of Elvis ison the radio is the wrong song?
That's all right, Mama, Ifigured it was, but I was sure.

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If you go onto IMDb and youread the reviews, there are so
many people who are mad about theinaccuracies of Elvis's story, like he's supposed
to be blonde, this wasn't thereal song, the first premiered on the
radio. This is all this otherlike dumb stuff, like Elvis should There
is his mother, I mean hisappears. Oh that's right. Seems like
she should be a bigger deal becauseI saw the movie, and I know,

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given Elvis's actual like love for hismom and like his the way his
life revolves around his mom, sheshould be a bigger part of it rather
than his uncle. And so itfeels like his uncle is his dad,
and that's where we're at. Yeah, there's so there's a lot of stuff
that, uh that isn't correct aboutthe Elvis storyline. It's really just like
Elvis vibes rather than like Elvis history. There's some stuff that is accurate.

(07:29):
He really did eat that, reallyreally discussing sandwich, you know, and
so that's all. Some of it'sreal, some of it's not. They
definitely just picked and shows, like, as you said, different things that
he he did, like he didhave a heavily religious family. Mm hmm.
Did he have a haunted guitar.I don't believe he had a haunted
guitar, but you know that mightbe something that for the music music history

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and nerds to tell us. Speakingof music history, that we say in
the beginning of the episode, Iforget the guy's name. Oh no,
it's coming up, don't worry.Oh okay, okay, okay, great.
Can I get into my rant fora second? Brother Jesse, that's
the whole thing. He's always performingwith Jesse. When he's got the haunted

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guitar, it feels like his brotherJesse is near. They play fast and
fucking loose with that in this episode. But his brother Jesse was his twin
brother in the womb who was stillborn. Yes, like we never knew
brother Jesse. No, Jesse wasnever like actually a person, and I
was his life. But he didsay that he that like Jesse was with
him his whole life. Okay,that was the thing that he said.

(08:33):
So I get where they're coming fromwith this. Okay. My thing every
time I've watched this episode is whyis Jesse not a baby? Yeah?
Why the nineties? Why is theguy that's playing the Elvis also playing Jesse
and basically the jailhouse rock outfit andbasically bad hairs? Like, basically Jesse

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is like the bad boy version,right, He's the evil twin, which,
like, it's like, so this, this this ghost baby spirit has
projected itself into the future as itsbrother has cross grown up alongside his brother.
I wish Constantine was here to justput some words to this, you

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know, it would go a longway for me. It's just we're not
explaining it. It's just it's easierto do it this way. We don't
have a random ghost baby rolling around. It's fine. He's also the only
one that like looks like a person. All the other ghosts are very like
apparition, like our our fucking dementors. Yeah, exactly, except for it's
also we're just nitpicking. Now.All those ghosts are the same ghosts very

(09:41):
the same asset of a ghost.Yeah, yeah, not quite as bad
as burdemic. But no, Idon't have a huge problem with it.
But for me, it's just like, can we change the robes on like
somebody, you know, like justa little bit here. I'm sorry.
So the haunted guitar, that isuh a thing throughout the whole episode because
it contains the death totem for somereason. It just like stabled on the

(10:05):
top. Really just like empoxied aroundthe Yes, this it was like gorilla
glued or velcrow. So yeah,Elvis, as far as I know,
did not have a haunted guitar.But so, okay, the thing that
you alluded to like a minute agois that in the very beginning of the

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episode, when Elvis goes to buythis guitar, the guy manning the shop
says, you know, rumor hasit that this guitar was originally owned by
Robert Johnson, who was essentially hewas considered the king of the Delta Blues
in the same way that Elvis isconsidered the king of rock and roll,
and the Rock and Roll Hall ofFame actually considers considers Robert Johnson the first

(10:50):
rock star because he was extremely popularin a very small area when he was
making music, which was a veryshort period of time. So I find
Robert Johnson fascinating for a bunch ofreasons. And I didn't honestly know about
him. And I'll get to thisin a minute, but until like a
TV show that wasn't this one,but he was, so he was a

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Delta blues musician. He was hada very tragic life. He only recorded
music for seven months. He madetwo recordings, like seven months apart.
I think that were done with likein makeshift studios on his own, with
a guitar, singing songs. Thoseare still the recordings obviously that we listened
to because of the only recordings thatever existed of him. Yeah, and

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then he and he was considered anitinerant musician. So he just traveled around
and slept random places and just traveledand made music. Okay. And the
thing that they yeah, yeah,okay. So the thing that they say
in the episode was that he,like Elvis says, oh, they they
say he made a deal with thedevil to get to get his musical talent.

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That was a real rumor, butit happened a lot in Delta blues
because Delta blues like comes out ofLike Missus, which has a lot of
like you know, superstition and kindof creole, kind of creoles a musician.
Yeah, same with Memphis. Sothere was a rumor that he had
gone down to the crossroads and withhis guitar, made a deal with the
devil for his musical success and abilityto play the guitar. Uh, and

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that it cursed the rest of hislife. Okay. So he first got
married when he was eighteen to afourteen year old woman. This is the
nineteen thirties, nineteen twenties, solet's pat that this is the nineteen twenties,
so it's a very different time.And she died in childbirth very shortly
after they got married. Jesus.He got married again a couple of years

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later to another woman. Then hedecided he was going to fuck off and
become a musician, So he wastraveling around doing musicians stuff and left her
behind, and she died within ayear of them getting married, and then
he went on to die at twentyseven. He's a twenty seven. He's
a tweet like the OG twenty sevenclub. Yeah, Okay, he's like

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lording it over like Kurt Cobain andthe afterlife these kids. Yes, so
he is uh. He dies attwenty seven, and the way people talked
about it was that he had flirtedwith a married woman and her husband poisoned
him with a bottle of whiskey poisonedbottle of whiskey. That hasn't a get
it, And that he had someother kind of condition like Marfan syndrome that
caused it to be more likely thathe would die wow, okay from this

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poison. So he dies at twentyseven, and then his music blows up
years later, and everything we knowabout him is like word of mouth because
he there wasn't a lot written abouthim, right, He wasn't a big
deal at the time. He wasa big deal in a very small area,
right, And then so people wentdown to try to record with him,
and they didn't know he had died. This happened twice, I think,

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and like, so there are abunch of different things about like,
you know, he had this thishuge career in a very small, like
limited area, you know, aslimited as you could be in the thirties,
and he's star burned bright and burnedout fast. And then years later
someone finds and re records or rereleases the masters of his music, and
he becomes hugely influential. So likethe idea is that he was influential in

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the the Moss Mississippi Delta and intothe Memphis music scene. Like but at
least in black music. That Elviseventually cribbed from his whole life because of
his guitar style, Like he gotpeople to be more interested in the guitar
to like he the way he playedit became a big deal and then so
that was influencing music here and thenlike modern blues singers in the sixties like

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Eric Clapton found him to be abig like have noted him as a big
influence on their on their music.So in reality, without Robert Johnson,
you don't get rock and roll,not without Elvis. Without Elvis, you
still have so many other musicians thatare playing similar music at the time.
You don't have the same you know, but maybe not the shining star of
whatever he becomes. Yeah, becauseyou got to think, like Elvis was

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in the fifties, the Beatles camein the sixties, Like you know how
how much I mean, obviously hehad a lot of influence. But you
know, if we remove Elvis fromthe equation, does it just affect Memphis?
Basically is sort of what where legendsort of comes in here. But
so the reason that I learned abouthim, because it was not a figure
in any history class I ever took, was because of the move the show

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Timeless, which did an episode justlike this, except with the Robert Johnson.
Wow. So in their version,someone went back in time and killed
Robert Johnson and music didn't exist,like rock music didn't exist anymore, which
meant the sixties movements like peace andLove movement never happened, sure, okay,
and that activism died because of it. So that was so much cooler,

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And so looking at that, lookingat that episode, looking at this
episode, I wish they had doneRobert Johnson for two reasons. One because
he was much more important in myopinion, actually three reasons. Two because
not enough white people know who thehell he is. And three it's so
much creepier. Yeah, just theidea of the soldier cell or whatever,
and right, like, could youimagine the episod so that they're doing with

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this this young guy who is saidto have sold this old to the Devil.
He has the Death Totem on hisguitar. These people are dying around
him all the time. You know, it doesn't have to be the Devil.
It's DC. It'll be some sortof demon malls or whatever. It'smallless,
or it's the death Totem. It'sbecause he found it somewhere and then
it became a thing, you know, and the rumor just becomes the devil

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because how else can he explain it? Right? I think this episode is
so much better if you do itwith Robert Johnson than if you do it
with Elvis. Do you think thatthey don't do it with Robert Johnson because
of the Timeless? I don't know. I don't know when the Timeless episode
aired. Hang, I think thatshow was just one season, two seasons

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and then like a movie, theygot a movie. Yeah, they got
a movie because they they ended reallyshows getting movies that I didn't know about
it. I just found out thatpsych has three movies this week, and
I'm like, oh, yeah,like there three movies. So the Timeless
episode actually aired six months after Okay, it's called the King of the Delta

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Blues, so they had they hadtheir shot. Yeah, I strongly recommend
Timeless if you are a Legends fan, because it's it's got a lot of
it's got similar vibes, it's gotdifferent vibes, it's it does a lot
with like women's history and minority history, because we don't get a lot of
that in normal history classes. Soit's cool and I really liked it,
and I actually learned a lot.But that's just my little mini rant for

(17:23):
this episode. Interesting, No,I like it. Is this also we
talked about? Is this also thesame story that we talked about with the
Constantine episode of The Constantine Show,where I was just like, it's cool
the devil's voice is on vinyl andyou're like, if they could have done
a real thing. Oh yeah,that's exactly the thing that the thing that
Okay, so it's twice now thisDC you know, this arrow verse kind

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of has missed this opportunity because theDelta Blues were so like, like they
were considered I think, like devilmusic. They Robert Johnson's first wife,
his mom said something about like washis punishment for singing secular music, like
it was in some ways considered youknow, anti Christian to sing the trip
of music. But it was alsoso influential and so important and more people

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should know about it. Yeah,very interesting, and and everything you just
said too about the like secular Devil'smusic obviously does still tie into this and
and gets a nice veneer of racismon top of it because it's why people
now, you know, like afraidof it or whatnot. Very interesting.
Thank you very much for our huntingguitar. Haven't done a history lesson in

(18:34):
a while? Not like that?No, that that that felt nice,
Crowley. Can we talk about reallyimportant things now? What do you feel
about DC heroes versus Magic? Okay, so I think it depends on the
context. Okay, so like nextseason is really good, right, Like
Magical Creatures, Constantine's always there toadd like that magical element to it.

(19:00):
Yeah, it does get it.It sinks into I'm going to say this
lovingly stupid very quickly. Yes,I agree. I don't think that's bad.
I like stupid because I think Legends, in my opinion, is always
best when it's stupid and serious atthe same time. Ye embraces the comedy

(19:21):
side of what it's doing. It'susing something very dumb to make a very
important point, like the whole thingwith the Fates and basically talking about fascism
while also fighting things with shake weightsand assisting doing a star trek Ripoff and
Friends, and so like, Ithink that that's when the show is at
its best. So that's something Ireally like and I've never thought about it

(19:41):
really, but because you pose thisquestion, like, I'm thinking about how
other characters that they probably could haveadded to the show that would have been
fun or interesting, like Zatana orRaven. I wish, I wish,
I wish right, Or they couldhave done you know, a Justice League
Dark series or something like that,right and brought in those kinds of characters.
So like, I think that they'rebecause as a comic book reader,

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I think there's a lot of roomfor magic in the stories, and superheroes
dealing with magic is always I thinkthe way that they've written in the comics
generally speaking, is always interesting.Like I like the idea that Superman is
only ever weak to magic. Iyou agree, like that's interesting and you
could do something with it, andno one has ever really done anything with
it. And I like what Legendstends to do with magic. But I

(20:26):
think it's better when Constantine is there. That said, I don't dislike the
Totem stuff because it has such acore, like it's it comes from Amaya
and her backstory and her spirituality asa member of you know, one of
the trams of Zenbasi. So Ithink it works really well. But I
do think it depends on the context, and it depends on the episode.

(20:47):
Like I don't necessarily love it here, but I do have it in other
episodes. I agree with you,Excuse me. I have always felt like
I wish the DC rules of magicwere more asablished in general. I understand
why they're not, because it givesyou more story opportunities and stuff like that.
But I'm like, maybe everybody inDC should say spells backwards, you

(21:07):
know, like that, you know, do this is a ton of thing
or whatever. I do also like, I think you're right. I think
when they really embrace the magic thingin season four, you need John to
be there to take it a seriouslybut also be be the han solo about
it at the same time and notreally give a shit, you know,
Whereas this this season you don't havehim, But it is a stepping stone

(21:32):
to that type of crazy magic,Like it's not too far removed from We're
getting the dial that's gonna show uswhere the spirit of Destiny crap is,
you know, like all that stuff, like that's all still magic and crap
still too, so like it's nottoo far off. But I know that
there are some superhero fans or Podfather'sact who like don't like when magic is

(21:55):
like up against the Superman or likesomebody with a cape. And I'm like,
I don't have a problem with it. It's just it really does.
It varies from thing to thing.I don't have a problem with it either.
It's funny because that I haven't beenon a magic episode of like haven't
Beenatana putting too much, too manywords in his mouth. I tend to
disagree Zach and I, so anyepisode that he hates I love, and

(22:17):
vice versa. So it's just it'sjust funny. But I I love this
Tatana stuff in Smallville. But therethat's one of the things that I find
funny. And I think if you'rea big time fan of Superman, and
I'm not saying like, obviously arelovely Podfather if you're listening, but I
think there are a lot of fansof Superman who don't like the idea that
he is weak to magic because itdoesn't necessarily always make sense. What I

(22:41):
always find really funny is that somany of the magic characters in DC are
kids or like or like, youknow, life women, like a Satana.
So it's like Raven, Zatana,Black Alice, Shazam, Like Shazam
is a twelve year old boy whojust becomes an adult and then beats it
looks like a child, but whoknows. Yeah, so it's like all

(23:02):
of these it tends to be children, which I always found really funny that
like a small team of children couldtake down Superman they really wanted to.
But I tend to usually like,I usually like it. I like whenever
it appears, I tend to enjoyit. I mean when you consider like
Scarlet Witch and the MCU, likeI like the chaos magic of that same
with like Doctor Strange and all that. It works to me, But I

(23:23):
understand that it's not necessarily everyone's cupof tea. So yeah, no,
I'm with you, I will saytoo. In the MCU, because they
have a bigger budget, they moretime to look at these things and whatnot,
and they they're taking from their wholeuniverse. There that magic does seem
to be a little more tied together, like those rules make more sense to

(23:45):
me, whereas, like in DC, it tends to be like, however,
you were acquired as a character,just bring your whole kid in and
we'll figure it out. You know. I certainly think that that's true with
the MCU, especially because they tiedeverything to like the y Stones, whereas
don't have that in DC, andher magic comes from the Infinity Sones I
forgot, yeah, because they wereexperimented on with the Reality Stone. So

(24:08):
like there's there's all this stuff thatthe MCU in particular did to tie everyone
together rather than introducing mutants and introducingall that stuff. But at the same
time, like, yeah, Iagree that d c's is definitely a lot
more fragmented because these characters generally existoutside of each other, you know,
like Justice League Dark tends to justhang around with Justice League Dark and not

(24:30):
so much with you know, Batmanand Superman. And again like you know,
like you bring in Shazam but alsoShazam excuse me. Captain Marvel was
an acquired yes, Katain Marvel characterthat came with his own set of rules
and was just like forced into thisuniverse, and there's a lot of versions
of that in in DC. Soit's just like it's truly come as you
are, everybody's welcome. Whatever.Well, we'll have Princess Diana sculpted by

(24:55):
the gods next to somebody else thatmakes no sense with her, and it'll
be fine. Yeah, exactly.And I think that the writers of the
comics have done a lot to liketry to blend that stuff together, you
know, Flash being acquired from TimelyComics and all that. So, and
like Batman was very different at thebeginning, Superman had some differences at the
beginning. I think they've done areally good job blending that in. But
I do I do agree with youthough, like it's not quite as cohesive

(25:15):
as Marvel is. It's just neverbothered me. But I think that's because
I tend to be siloed in DCcomics, where like I'm reading Birds of
Prey, or I'm reading Batgirl,or I'm reading like the bat Family,
or I'm reading Action comics, butI'm not necessarily venturing too far into the
weirder stuff necessarily. Although swamp Thing, there was an early run of swamp
Thing and two that was so good. But yeah, the new fifty two
one was really good. You're right, i'd see. Yeah, I still

(25:37):
like some of that. That's someof my favorite. That's probably my favorite
Alan Moore stuff. Oh yeah,yeah, I like Watchmen, but I
also like what HBO did with it. Oh no, HBO took it and
ran with it. Yeah, ohmy god. Anyway, thank you,
thank you for for stupid conversation.Can we have more stupid stupid conversation?

(25:59):
What with the like here we talkedabout it last week. Funny that we
talked about it like just recently andnow it can and then we rolled this,
But like this is the era ofthe show. I don't think this
is the first time where like they'rekind of playing new roles with the time
travel where instead of like we're inthe temporal zone and stuff doesn't change here
now like we've got Guitar Hero goingto trumpone Hero and Axel going to Josh

(26:25):
Grobin and Nate's hair losing his palmadeand whatnot, and it's like I love
this stuff personally, and because ofthat, I kind of don't care that
the rules change. How do youfeel about it? I agree, Like
it's definitely one of those elements thatif you nitpick it too much, you're
it's going to fall apart very quickly, like the idea that like you would

(26:45):
have had to have named Josh Grobinat some point, and right, what
is this? Like yeah, exactly, so there's there's that, But but
I do prove I prefer it tothe original way, where it was just
like, oh, by the way, there's a blip in the time stream,
like here are some newspaper headlines,like first we have like them figuring

(27:06):
out something different, you know,it's it's Biebo Day. Is part of
the anachronism, right, right,is that one of the first times,
I don't know, we'd have towatch it in order to find out.
Yeahspiracy wall like just trying to figureout where the first time this happened was.
This is Charlie Dave's smoking cigarettes?And yes, exactly, that's just

(27:26):
me all the time. Yeah.So I think there are elements of it
that I really really love. LikeI like it as an aesthetic thing.
I like it because it's funny.I like it as a way for them
to figure out there's a problem.And I don't think it matters whether or
not it technically makes sense I agree, we're doing time travel. Who cares
who? Again, it's the partof me that's like whatever with the magic,

(27:49):
we'll figure it out. That wholelike time is cement, thing is
fucking it's gone, you know,Yeah, time is no longer cement.
Time is a slurry. But Ido want to talk about with the anachronism
stuff because it's made me think ofthe Mick part of all of this.
So he's not really a big partof the overall story. He's just doing
stuff with his rat. But histhing throughout the episode is I hate change,

(28:15):
and there's too much change happening aroundus. How do you feel about
that? Because I know you're abig MIC fan. Watching this again,
I don't quite remember where it camefrom. I wonder if this is from
Jackson signed departing in their different waysor losing snort again, you know,
even though he was just here fora second. I like it as a

(28:36):
thing for him. I also likeit as a story for someone who is
maybe not as mostly the mature ordeveloped as somebody else where. It's just
like, even in his gruff persona, he liked the way things were.
He'd be happy to still be likeRobin shit with Snart in Central City for
the rest of his life. Youknow. So like the fact that this

(28:57):
show that he's on, the Timeshiphas transformed so many times, and like
this mission has changed and the peoplearound him has changed. I like that
as a thing that he has todeal with. Does this continue? I
have no memory, I know,I don't. I don't think it does
not pass this really because I thinksort of like the funeral for Axel is

(29:18):
helping him move on and deal withhis right his issues. But I do
like it as a way of showingsomeone dealing with grief, because honestly,
it's like it's partly the Stein stuff, Like Sein died, Snart had died
in a previous season and then cameback and then disappeared again, and you
know, you had Leo there foran episode and gone, and so that
that all that changed. And thenthe Sein dies and Jax leaves and Wally

(29:44):
comes on, and you know,you've got all this stuff changing and he
doesn't like like him saying I don'tlike changes to me being like I'm sad.
Yeah, yeah, and again likejust like this isn't what I signed
on for. All of the thingsthat I enjoyed about this. Are are
falling away very quickly? Right?I like it? I like it for
him? Are we in the shiplog? We're talking? There's no real

(30:07):
like ship to log with him?Really, do you want to continue on
the mickline and just talk about himand Ray in this episode? Yeah?
I had a problem with this,Okay, go ahead. He and Ray
are you know, their usual kindof like not not friendly, you know,
snipy type thing from Mick at least, but but who cares? But
then, uh, you know,Mick has this rat axle, which maybe

(30:30):
we should have just talked about makean axle on the shiplog. But Ray
seemingly kills the rat with some scienceexperiment he had out and like he's not
really remorseful. He's like, oh, I'm sorry, but you know,
rats only lived like two and ahalf years, so really he's he did
great. And I'm like, thisis Ray Palmer. I feel like he'd
be very upset if he killed likethis guy's dog, you know, like

(30:53):
this is it was an interesting wayto play Ray where I'm like, oh,
little tone deaf here for a second. But yeah, that definitely that
reaction definitely was a little too blasefor the way that we know, and
like, I think that him beinglike super remorseful like we think he would
be, wouldn't make him do thefuneral. He then does, yeah,
the same, you know, thesame way that he does it. So

(31:15):
I agree, Like he knows thatMick is having feelings about his rat having
a different name and like all thechange that's going on, and then he
accidentally obviously it's an accident, youdidn't do it on purpose, but he
accidentally kills the rat, and he'sjust kind of like, whoops, right
exactly. It's just like the Iwould expect more from the super touchy feely,

(31:37):
very very in touch with himself.Ray Pombero. Yeah, I definitely
agree with you, especially because Ray'skind of like in his own head about
like the uh, you know,he's got a he's got a crush,
right exactly, the Nora of itall, you know. But they are
only a small portion of the relationshipsthat we get into. There are two

(32:00):
much bigger ones, the first onebeing Zori and Wally. I still am
not totally positive how I feel abouthaving Wally on the show. Uh okay,
just in general, Yeah, Ijust I this episode kind of gets
to some of it, Like Ido like things that Wally does on the
show, and I love Wally asa character and Keenan Lonsdela as an actor,
like I love the character. Ilove this person, but I don't

(32:22):
know that it's I don't know thatit's Speedster, Like we talked about this
and are necromancing the Stone episode,Like I don't know how much a speedster
works on and this show because ofthe things he does in this episode,
Like he moves really fast, sohe can solve a lot of problems really
quickly and almost too easily, whereeverybody else's powers are much more passive in

(32:45):
a lot of ways. Yes,And I think ultimately that's why. I
mean, I think there's actor stufftoo, but that's ultimately why they're not
kind of fighting to keep him onYeah, truly for me, still,
he's the one that got away whereI'm like, if they could have figured
out how to keep a keep himon board, and maybe you'd have to
neuter his powers ultimately or whatever.But I'm just like he is such a

(33:07):
fun energy right now, like thiskind of zend out but still young and
happy Wally that I just I lovehim, like you said his performance is
great, Like I could have lookedpast the he shouldn't be here kind of
like Constantine frankly, of just tokeep him around. I think if they'd
figured out, like you said,that they'd figured out how to work it
in, how to make it sustainable, I think, yeah, it could

(33:29):
have worked. And I think thathis presence is a lot better in future
episodes, including the next one,which we've talked about previously. Go listen
to that episode if you haven't yet, because his powers are negated in a
lot of ways in the episode,even if his like vision of the person
is still a little weird. Solike, I think that they work him

(33:49):
in in certain ways quite well,and I think if they they kept him
on the show, they could havefigured out how to do it in a
way that felt better. But likethis being the first episode where he's really
on the wave writer, I waslike, I don't know how this is
gonna work. Yeah, I getyou. And it's also I don't think
they meant to do anything romantic here. But like I remember the first time

(34:09):
I watched this going like are wetryings on the bazari here? Because I'm
not on board? Oh yeah,definitely not on board with uh with that,
and I'm certainly less on board whenwe encountered Charlie later on. But
I like it that they're sort oflike the new kids and that's sort of
what they're trying to do with it. And also like Zari is the most

(34:30):
like young and hip of the crew. Yeah, I guess that's true.
I guess that's true. Yeah.Yeah, so like it makes sense,
but it also makes sense in almosta default way. Yeah, that's what
I was worried about, and alsoa little bit and we let go of
our one black actor, so webrought another one on the show, so
we got a new one. Yeah, don't even worry about it. Fine,
Yeah, which which generally this showis not the super worried about or

(34:54):
has it. No, no,no, it gets a lot better.
Oh, I guess it's the otherone black actors some mys black due but
like the they got rid of aJackson, they brought on Wally and it
seems a little like one of IndianaJones. Yeah, I get that.
I also just like I always whenwe talk about this, I think about

(35:15):
the other people in the arrow versethat could have come on, and I
always think of that one article Isaw where it was just like Mary Hamilton
from Yep, No, that sofun. I do wish if, even
if it's just temporary like this,I wish they could have kind of played
with other characters a little bit morelike, honestly, bring Cisco Ramon on
here for like five episodes and justlet him, like, you know,

(35:37):
try to fix something. Then hegets caught up in a storyline and he
goes back. I know it wouldhave been fucking hell for everybody's schedule,
but it could have been fun.Yeah. I think that that kind of
thing does from a production logistics standpointis just hard. But yes, I
agree that it would have been funif you'd take him off the Flash for
a few episodes and put him onthe wave Rider and like that explains his
absence so he doesn't have to dothe Grant gust told where he did an

(36:00):
episode Slash and an episode of Supergirlat the same time in different countries.
Yeah, straight to hell with that. Yeah, Yeah, that's rough.
But I always go back to Iwish that they had done I always I
wanted it from the middle of fromaround this point on, for them to
do a multiversity that show get Ciscoand Gypsy and like just a bunch of

(36:23):
other like Jesse, a bunch ofother people from different universes team them up
and have them do like a Legendstyle show. But like Jump could have
been fun to think that. Ifeel like that's what Legends would be if
it started now. It would bethe multiverse thing. Yeah, probably if
they figured out rights in advance,because Jesus right exactly. But anyway,

(36:45):
are our main couple that we haveto talk about is Nate and Maya.
I'm very curious to hear what youthink. Oh no, I think they're
great. I think they're very cute. In this episode, I think this
is when they've decided, like,screw the future, we're just gonna be
together and you know, deal withit as it comes. Yes, So
they are trying to be together andtrying to not worry about it. They've

(37:07):
already broken up once because of thefuture. Yeah, but now this does
still have a vibe of like predoomed cuteness where it's just like we really
we don't care and we're just gonnakeep going, like we can be together
forever. Yeah, And he wantsto share his music with her, and
she's not quite into it, butthen Gideon helps her find these Dambazi recordings

(37:28):
and just that little moment in thelibrary there where he's listening and can't hear
her and I love you, Nathaniel, and I'm like, oh, my
heart melts. You know. It'sreally really cute, and I think they
play it really well. Like theway it's directed is good in the sense
that like Nate is just trying notto think about the fact that they are
they have this doomed relationship that she'sgonna have to go back to Zambasie in

(37:51):
the nineties at some point or inwherever she went to the forties at some
point. But they're playing so they'replaying him as like like almost hyperactive,
like we're gonna do all this stuff. It's gonna be great. It's fine,
and don't think about it. It'sfine. We're gonna buy you figured
out Netflix. We watch Friends thatone day, you know, like,
yeah, watching Friends in a weekis very hard. It was a week.
Sorry, I did it in twoweeks and it was awful. But

(38:12):
uh yeah, but then they havea Maya playing it more as like like
this sort of serene acceptance. Yeah, like the way she says, you
know, and we have plenty oftime, Like it's what's gonna happen in
the future, and I've accepted that'sgonna happen in the future, and so
I'm just gonna enjoy right now asit is, right right, That's very

(38:34):
true. So this is the otherthing, which I've alluded to at the
beginning of our recording. Here wejump out of this fun nice qut stuff.
Uh, there's so many other likerace things that would definitely be happening,
like the fact that Nate and aMaya are obviously a couple, and
also they are different colors. InMemphis was a deal Like this is before

(39:01):
it was legal in a lot ofplaces to be married, like an interracial
married couple. We don't get LovingVersus Virginia until nineteen sixty seven, so
like this would be a much biggerdeal. But I realized that they couldn't
spend too much time with all thatstuff. But it still feels out of
place. Like we said in thebeginning, it's like sometimes we hang a

(39:22):
light on it just because we know, but we're not gonna make the whole
episode about it this time, youknow, Like and I do. It
is it is totally just fast andloose again with history, but I get
where it is when, especially ina show like with this, where it's
like it is escapism. We willdo those episodes from time to time.

(39:43):
I think they're good about kind ofalways shining some sort of light on it.
So there are times where it's justlike, oh, it's you know,
it's Emily Dickens' time and we're alljust walking around being all interracial and
fun together. It's like, oh, no, you know, that's not
not that one I've gone either.Yeah, but it's fine, Like I'd
rather everybody get to play and andyou know, have have their moments in

(40:05):
history. Yeah, I do thinkit's appropriate how they did it here.
Obviously it would have been more,but it also is just fun to see
all the legends just as pissed ina church as I am. So maybe
I'm projecting into Yeah, I mean, they would definitely be an odd bunch
to walk into a white church,and uh, in Memphis, Tennessee in
the fifties, you know, there'slike a couple of white people, one

(40:27):
who is gay, but we're notdoing anything with that right now. You
know, a couple of black people, one one uh Iranian person. It's
like this would be an interesting bunchto come across in that time. Yeah,
I almost feel like they're just likethey would have just accepted Zori as
white and move on. You know. Yeah, I mean basically it's like
we can't. I understand from awriting perspective, we cannot deal with this,

(40:47):
We cannot spend time doing all thisother stuff in order to get this
story to happen. It just doesfeel a little odd because of how much
you're I'm thinking about it personally.But you know, I still it's fine.
I still love what they do withNate No Mayah. Like I said,
it's it's very sweet and I enjoyit. But yeah, so that's
that's our shiplock. But the thatis our shiplock. But we haven't talked

(41:10):
about a very key performance in thisepisode. Yes, you're talking about Ray
trying to sing sweet Child of Mineduring that right, That's what I'm instantly
got caught. We're not paying forthat. Fuck you. Now, I'm
talking about Luke Billyock Billyick I'm gonnago with as Elvis Presley in this episode.

(41:31):
Uh really, the first CW actorto play Elvis Presley, the one
did it much more famously later onwhat what is your feeling here on mister
Luke. I think that he's fine. He's doing his version of Elvis.
He does his He affects the speakingvoice well enough that you understand who he

(41:52):
is, Okay, but it isstill young voice. This was a question
I had. So here's the thing. When he's doing the first draft of
Jailhouse Rock in the prison, Ithink that's actually his voice, because I
don't think that you can do thatin a way that's oh yeah, yeah.
When he's just noodling around in thejil house party, yeah yeah,

(42:14):
whatever. Yeah. So, andI think he does a perfectly good job
affecting an Elvis singing voice as ayoung guy in a way that like we
understand that he's not going to soundexactly like Elvis, because only Elvis sounds
exactly like Elvis. He's just goingto be doing so so impression because we're
just getting through this episode. Butthey hired a different actor who does voiceover
work, whose name I do younot have in front of me right now,

(42:36):
to do the Elvis singing voice,and it's really really obvious that it's
a different guy. It's a differentperson and he is a lip syncing kind
of poorly. Okay, so thisis Jess Harnell. I'm just looking this
up right now, Elvis voice impersonator, and I have a feeling if I
click on Jess Harnell here, we'regonna say a lot of Elvis shit.

(42:59):
Definitely a lot of voice over workor all in the video game. He
does a great job with the voice, Like I believe that that is Elvis.
There's a part of me that waslike, is this an Elvis recording
that we're just sinking over? That'sthe thought I had too, But I'm
like, there's no way we canafford that. But it's so different from
the speaking voice that I don't thinkit works. Yeah, I think that's

(43:24):
fair. He only played Elvis oneother time. It was on The Drew
Carey Show in two thousand and one, so he's missing his calling here.
He really is. Yeah, Sothat that bothered me. That's the only
thing that really bothered me. Like, the kid seems like he could sing,
so just let him do it,right, But you know what this
voice is supposed to be, Somaybe they were worried it'd be too distracting.

(43:46):
If it is his voice, Ithink it's like I get the impetus
to do it. I understand Idon't like it, then that's fine.
I hope though, unlike Austin Butler, that this kid is still not talking
in the album. Oh yes,just as long as he doesn't seem quite
as committed to it, which isgood. Is obnoxious? Yeah, yes,

(44:07):
that's the word. Meanwhile, Elvisplayed guitar, Ziggy played guitar,
and they played on the radio,and all of the ghosts rose and the
dead were spooky. I always likewe talked about it in the Constantine thing.
I always like the don't vanquish theevil thing by the obvious way,

(44:30):
assume it's not evil and that itneeds something. And that's what they do
here, right, Yes, LikeElvis plays amazing grace for them, and
they feel better and they feel seen, right like he says, like they
just want to be recognized or whatever, Like they just want someone to notice
them and to understand that they're there. And you know, I like that
too. I'm one hundred percent onboard. We're in the same place with

(44:51):
that one. Although Axel also comesback from the Dead rat, which is
so one of those like TV thingsof like, yeah, this one character
is a pet. We're not goingto deal with it until we need to,
you know. Yeah, it's it'sit's Joe Wes's younger kid with cecil

(45:14):
on the flash where it's like,do you think you could watch a full
season of that show and not knowthey had a kid? Yes, you
definitely could. So that's that's basicallythe episode they Wally has a whole conversation
with his uncle, gets into givethem the record back then playing the little
radio, Elvis sues the ghosts withthe power of amazing Grace and his guitar.

(45:34):
They get the death Totem. Herecords that's all right, mama,
and and we're done. They Rayhas a lock box for the death tote
them. They put in the boxand the death Totem goes crazy because in
the next episode, again, goback and listen to our recording of Necromancing
the Stone to find out what happensin the next episode. That's that's it.
That's the whole thing. I hopein the future somebody does do it

(45:57):
in episode order and it's just likeour podcast an episode order. Yeah,
it is losing their mind. Yeah, oh, how many times we must
repeat ourselves when we probably a lot. Yeah, oh god, anyway,
let's play some games. What's yourlegendary moment, Trisha, H My legendary
moment is Wally talking to the reverendbecause it is a good moment for Wally
to like remind you who he isif you haven't really been watching the flash,

(46:21):
uh, and to be useful,like to show that he is a
good part of the team. Itis the moment though, where I'm like,
did almost his uncle matter this muchto him? Because it does seem
like it's his father here, youknow, yeah, very much, so
I don't think so. And alsotell the also, this white reverend is
being talked down by a black guy, so right, who he was kind

(46:44):
of racist too earlier. But you'remaking a lot of a lot of great
points yet, Uh, this tookme a minute. It's not my favorite
episode. But I'm gonna go withSarah's toast when they're doing the funeral for
the rat in order to cut Rayoff from singing. You know, at
first, she doesn't want to speakand she's just like there for the drink
basically and rape out to go intosong. Okay, I will say something

(47:07):
and it was just like, Yeah, that's cute. This is this is
Sarah Roland with the punches, justtrying to avoid a situation she doesn't want
to be and I liked it.So who is your MVL for this episode?
Again? Tough for me, butI think Nate because he makes most
of it happen. And he's theone that's like if Elvis doesn't whatever,

(47:30):
he's more he's like quote unquote cooleras an Elvis fan in this episode,
then I will ever give him creditfor again, but like he seems to
be quite the rock and roll guy. He loses his virginity because of Elvis
is a rocket rolls somehow. AndI'm like, all right, I'm pretty
sure you've lost your virginity watching likethe director's cut of Blade Rudder. But
all right, you know that's fine. How about you axel RP. No,

(47:52):
it's Nate because he did all thestuff. Like maybe he didn't like
accomplish the final thing like while hedid, but he would. He had
all the information and like you said, he just he made he drove the
story forward. Yes, exactly.Let's play some cards to save the time
cars save the timeline. We're lightingscenarios this week, but I came up

(48:14):
with raised chore wheel says it's yourweek to take care of Blank Alis Crowley's
gonna real. That will always bemy answer. I hope when we print
this actual game, I get itevery time. We need like five cards
of that. Yeah, and Ihave. We've been alerted to an anachronism
thanks to the appearance of Blank,cute solution, slash people, Nate's trademark

(48:36):
volume and sheen, which I dolike that moment again in a world where
everything changes when they're on the shipof just like, cut to him,
he's normal. Cut back to him, his hair looks like mine right now
mine honestly, get disheveled and straightout of a shower in your carts and
you're still born twins ghost. Ilike, I'm sorry. I hope that

(48:59):
doesn't offend any but can we makeit slightly funnier by saying you're still born
twins adult ghost adult ghost. Yes? I do like that better that that
tames it for me. I don'tknow why I have Elvis's haunted guitar and
getting the high score on Miss factMan. That was cute. Yes,
I okay. All the points fromthe ghosts early on that's the Tsari and

(49:24):
Wally's situation. And then of coursethere were round ghosts and it's like focus
on the ghost, you get allthe points in the ghast. I'm like,
that's really cute to me. Bingonew car to everybody, and we're
starting strong as hell. We've gota speedster, we've got totem time,
we've got mixed stealing a sandwich,We've got a flash reference, we've got

(49:45):
flash Reference galore, We've got songscoming on Galore. It's Elvis o'clock.
Everybody. Do we have a SarahLance Pontacular event? Now? I think
we can play a little fast andloose with this. Always like about the
speech, but I don't know.In my mind, this is one of
the essential moments of the Sarah Pontacular. Not on your Sunday Church. Yeah,

(50:09):
yeah, that I love it.That's one that I think of.
That and the finger guns. Ithink that's the actual icon that you have
for the for this. Yes,this one, so yes, I say
yes, Sarah Plant's Pontacular, whichmeans that we have six Bingo squares for
the incredible start incredible. We'll seeif someone automatically got bingo. But I

(50:32):
do have an important question before weend the episode. Yes, please?
Was it good? You know it'snot my favorite? No, honestly,
I think it's fine. Yeah,it doesn't make as much sense as i'd
want to It's not it is.Honestly, the last one have not been

(50:57):
my favorite episode. No, Ithink for Elvis episode, it's kind of
boring. Yeah, I think that'sI think that's fair. I almost I
almost want to catch him later inlife, you know, like I before
you die in the toilet, weneed you to, you know, record
this last thing so that it saveshistory or whatever. Yeah. So definitely
not among my favorite episodes. Butone of my favorite episodes is the next
one. Have I mentioned that youshould go and listen to our episode?

(51:20):
Where are we talking about? It'sjust I love it so much. I
think it's time to roll. Let'stalk about this. Let's talk about this.
So last episode, we said thatthis was going to be our bingo,
like this is where we're announce yeah, the Binko. But we hadn't
really worked out our least schedule yet, And now we're going to wait till

(51:42):
the first episode is released so thelisteners can really enjoy that win and then
we'll put up the schedules. Sonext episode we will announce the winner of
the Binko poll, and that willbe the following episode. But for now,
we're going to roll like any allnormal day. Appreciate it. Do
you have your dice? I do? Cool? I wasn't sure I had
my dice? You have the episodeguide up? Not? Yes, we're

(52:04):
gonna roll for season season five,Season five, okay, and now I'm
gonna roll four episode. Can Isay I was kind of hoping for a
season five today. No. Ilove season five, so yeah, I'm
with you. Episode nine okay.Can we be honest and say that we
just cut just now because the theepisode numbers for season five are fucked beyond

(52:28):
the telling of it because of Crisisand their production order. Yeah, they
basically lifted Crisis out of the season, so it's not episode one anymore.
It's just episode zero. Yeah,what the hell? But if we're counting
it as five oh one, whichI think it should, I agree,
I think it should be. Sorrynot Zori is five oh nine, Yes,
Zorry not Sori is the one wherethey are seishing for a piece of

(52:52):
alum and they end up in BritishColumbia on and like they stumble onto the
supernatural set right lovely and like remembersdie or something. Yeah, yeah,
and no one's watching the car forsome reason. On this it's also the
one fun. It's also the onewith I think Berhard getting oh, getting

(53:13):
loomed, getting loomed. Yeah,oh no oh, this is tough one.
Okay, I'm really excited for thisone. Yes, me too.
It's a great episode. I reallylove it. Okay, cool, all
right, we're back on track,everybody. We're doing good. Okay,
So that'll be next week and thenthe week after that. We were guaranteed
a great episode no matter where theBingo card live exactly because we suggested some

(53:34):
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to have a good time with it. Cool, cool, Well, thank
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Fake Off? No, yeah,sorry, that's what's wrong. Okay,
So you have it as episode nine? Is the Great British Fake Off?
I have it as episode nine?Is Zori? Not sorry? Because does
do you have crisis on Infinite?It's part five as episode one? Yes?
From what I'm looking at, whichit is, okay, I have

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love Me, Slay anything Ahead ofHer Time Mortal Kombat in release order.
Great British Takeoff is nine in releaseorders. Oh my god, no wait,
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sorry. That's the one where theyfind holy shit. Okay, yeah,
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