May 1, 2024 • 53 mins
Do you have a Zombie Apocalypse plan? Being immortal for the day seems to be a decent way to start. Your co-captains talk all things zombies, hot spellcasting, and Sara Lance’s latest death scene in this action-packed episode!
CARDS TO SAVE THE TIMELINE
Scenarios:
• When caught in a British zombie apocalypse, remember to keep calm and ___.
• Sara had a vision of _____, but she’s not telling anyone.
• Gary hallucinated _____ as _______ again.
Solutions/People:
• A fully charged Time Courier.
• Invoking Rip Hunter’s memory to explain what’s going on.
• Bunny Gideon.
• Gary’s rabbit’s IBS.
• A simple obfuscation spell.
BINGO
• Steel Up
• Fire Hands
• Gideon Malfunction
Follow us on socials @legendsofalways and send us an email at legendsofalways@gmail.com.
Matt Truex is a Warner Bros. Discovery employee. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are his own and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of Warner Bros. Discovery.
CARDS TO SAVE THE TIMELINE
Scenarios:
• When caught in a British zombie apocalypse, remember to keep calm and ___.
• Sara had a vision of _____, but she’s not telling anyone.
• Gary hallucinated _____ as _______ again.
Solutions/People:
• A fully charged Time Courier.
• Invoking Rip Hunter’s memory to explain what’s going on.
• Bunny Gideon.
• Gary’s rabbit’s IBS.
• A simple obfuscation spell.
BINGO
• Steel Up
• Fire Hands
• Gideon Malfunction
Follow us on socials @legendsofalways and send us an email at legendsofalways@gmail.com.
Matt Truex is a Warner Bros. Discovery employee. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are his own and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of Warner Bros. Discovery.
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This is a question that I havenot asked in a long time. But
do you have a zombie apocalypse plan? No? Given the state of the
country, I'm like suddenly, likeI think I need a much darker plan.
Actually, like I think I needlike a realistic plan. No,
because I've never like this is aquestion I had for you later, but
like I've never been a huge zombiemovie fan, so it's never been like
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a back of my head thing.Whereas like I'm like I've watched too much
Buffy to tell you that, Likeif a vampire jumped in here immediately,
I think I could take it,you know, like I think I know
at least what my first move wouldbe. But no, do you yes?
And no? So I used tobe in college. I used to
have like a great plan. Itwould basically be Resident Evil three, okay,
where which means there's a caravan ofpeople. Everybody has a job for
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various things, right, Okay,everybody provides some kind of skill, and
that's like you have people who aregun people and I am not a gun
people. Okay, picture like amad is it like a mad Maxis situation,
Like we have to keep going andyeah, okay, yeah, kind
of like that, but like MadMax, what happens if you run out
of fuel? That is a verygood question. I don't know. I
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think that there's a lot that youhave to take into consideration upon trying to
survive a zombie apocalypse. I wouldsay so, And among those things is
do you expect the human race tosurvive? Basically? Can the zombies die
out? Like can they see ordo they just continue to and do you
answer to starve? There's so manyquestions that dictate which movie or book my
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zombie apocalypse plan must come from,like if you if you die of natural
if you have a heart attack onyour caravan and you haven't been bitten or
anything, but have we all beenexposed to something? That then means you're
still going to get animated anyway.This feed Model, which is a book
by Mirra Grant that I strongly recommend, is about being a journalist in the
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zombie apocalypse. I just realized thatmeans that the human race does not survive
ultimately, that's a much darker take. Okay, well this actually they do.
It's a whole thing. It's reallyinteresting. Againstrongly recommend the book.
It's a series of a trilogy ofbooks. But I also like that model
in terms of like what I wouldprobably do, Like basically, I would
survive the initial onslaught ideally, andthen journalists because that's my job. Oh
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that's cool. I feel like weshould put the theme song in right now
and then keep talking about this.So three two one, drums please,
and let's get in Welcome back toAlways Hold on to DC's Lives tomorrow.
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I wonder I'm your other co captain, Trish. Is that how you're gonna
put it? So, yeah,I'm just trying to I'm just trying to
get piped through it because I'm like, Okay, I like I like this
plan. I'm also realizing I liveabout three blocks away from a mall,
and I'm like, maybe I forgetwhich movie that is, but maybe I
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do the Romero thing, the RomeroZack Snyder or who else? Okay,
what's the one where like a bunchof people hang out in the mall and
someone we're not qualified to do this, I'm just saying that might be a
good move, yes, And I'lljust survive on Wetzel's pretzels for yeah,
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I mean yeah, especially it's rightby a highway. Too, so people
are gonna see I always worry aboutthat because we have very exposed windows,
and I'm like, should anything evergo down, they're gonna know where're you
know, whoever the day is.Anyway, this is a rare moment,
the first time ever where I hada cold open question for you too,
and it's more optimistic. Oh okay, so if you if you were immortal
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for a day, what would youdo? If I was im mortal for
a day, what I do?Well? I think the things that I
would want to do, I wouldnot be able to because they require physical
ability that I do not possess andwould not be Okay. I think that's
one of the benefits that the legendshave and this particular scenario which they are
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all physically fit people just do stuffanyway, superheroes. Right, maybe I
would do something that's like stupidly dangerous, run around a minefield or something and
just showing up so that they canbe done, or like, I don't
know, help people cross the border. I don't, Yeah, I don't.
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It's one of those two where I'myou're such a good person, people
cross the border, Jesus. I'mlike, I think I'm want to tuck
and roll out of a car.Really. Oh yeah, I would do
that shit too. Like my firstthought was it was I would jump out
of a plan. I've done thatwithout being immortal. I try to like
parkour around Batman and see if Icould do hang gliding. But like that's
the thing. Things that I immediatelycome to mind are like ridiculous rock climbing
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and just things I physically cannot do. So then we get to the altruistic
stuff because I can do that,I just shouldn't and you're just shielding people.
But yeah, all right, man, Trish is a better person than
all of us, only because I'mnot physically capable. If I were buff
Like, fuck everybody, I'm jumpingout of it. Yeah, yeah,
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I'm base jumping. I'm doing allthat shit. Yep, Okay, I
like this. I might scooby diveor like like free dive through like one
of those caves to get to anotherthing. It's like, I'm not going
to do that to get to anoasis. I don't care how prey it
is right now, because I amtoo afraid that I'm gonna get stuck and
die. Yeah. But if that'snot if I've got time to drown and
wake up and come and get outof there. So that's actually totally random.
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But that's something that has come upbefore. Is like, if you
are invulnerable basically like your wolver thepossibility that you were going to get trapped
somewhere for the rest of eternity,it is one hundred percent possible. Way.
Oh God, will Wolverine die eventually? And logan? You know spoilers
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right, it's unclear? Okay,huh interesting. I have not read enough
X Men comics to tell you definitively, but you know what, You've watched
enough of X Men movies, DC'sLegends of Tomorrow. Oh yeah, I've
watched plenty of that. They're notgoing to die for the next twenty four
hours, next twenty four hours?Did you even? Did you introduce yourself
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yet? I did? You mumbledyour intro and I was just trying to
I couldn't remize this to make sureit's a fun one. So let's get
into it. We're talking five fifteenI Am Legends, aired May nineteenth,
twenty twenty, written by Ray Too. You turn Atchet with Leah Poullett and
(07:00):
Emily Cheever. Hope I'm doing thatright, directed by Andrew Ketsch and ratings
honestly a bit of a bump thisweek. It's been in like the point
sixties or so, and we've gota point eighty on this one. Wow.
Yeah, cracking a million people nevergonna I uh did it once this
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season and you know which episode?Oh, yes, the one that maybe
doesn't count if you even count it. Yeah, exactly. Our team rundown
is pretty standard for this era oflegends. Sarah, Ava, Constantine,
Nate, Charlie Zari two point zero, Mick Astra and Gary on the wave
Riders specifically, and Berad who ispresently loomed and doesn't. Castra is an
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interesting edition here, yes, becauseshe is not currently a legend, but
she is a legend in our heartsbecause she is next season because she will
be around. Yeah, but she'sin her to Attrack did to Lakisa's and
don't don't Atropos, Yeah, tobe a good guy. For most of
(08:09):
this episode, she's too and likeinterested in a whether they're selling. But
also Lakisas has basically raised her inhell yes, uh, and so who
does she trust really? And shetrusts her more and also she's afraid of
her because she's scary, honestly thescariest of the bunch, even though Atropose
(08:30):
is all knife Yeah, but she'scool. I don't know. Lakisas has
like almost an ursula vibe to herwhere I'm like, I like this,
but yeah, yeah, it's soyeah. So she has she has turned
I'll say it in our recap here. So we found the loom. It's
three rings. It's still broken.We can't use it because we are mere
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mortals and also Charlie, who isimmortal. So we bested a frat bro
version of Dionysus and had to drinkfrom his cup. That makes us twenty
four hours except for sary h butAstra turncoat again and helped the mean Fate
steal the wave Rider. Uh oh, and Sarah went blind but when she
looked too hard at Atropos. Butshe's mostly fine and she can see the
(09:13):
future now. Yeah, it's avery it's a it's a daredevil, it's
a very active blind. Yeah.Her whole thing of like you know,
on Nanda Parbat we had to liketrain for a month or something. Right,
It makes you think of Andrew andBuffy trying to explain the guys with
their eyes carved out and it's justlike, uh, and these are the
(09:35):
keepers who were very mobile for blindpeople. I had to rewatch Buffy.
I haven't watched that in so long. Keepers, am I even right about
that? I don't know who givesa shit what? I mainly remember,
like the Knights of Byzantium should reallyhave been much more noticeable than they were.
They were cool though, that's wina bago fight fucking rocks. I
(09:56):
watched that all the time anyway.So yeah, as covered, the legs
of Tomorrow are unkillable, which isa fun gimmick. And we got a
clock going, like literally he alreadyhas the clock going. I find this
very fun to like give them aone day pass and know somehow they're gonna
fuck it up, you know,yeah, one day pass, they're gonna
(10:16):
fuck it up. And also likemostly use it for slapstick comedy. Yeah,
because anything for the falling out ofa car or the whatever on the
head. We'll talk. But likethey still feel pain and still get injured,
but it doesn't kill them. Soand like the heel really fast.
(10:37):
Yeah, it's the it's the menin black Jeeves's that you have any idea
how much that stings you. Soit's like it works like you're not I
think is it works because of thetime limit without the ticking clock. You
Also, there's no sense of urgency. They did this because they want to
use the loom, so they havetwenty four hours, not just like of
(11:00):
invulnerability, but they have twenty fourhours to use the loom to hopefully get
back to the ship and use themand do all that stuff. It's also
there. Yeah, it's also funtoo of the like we're all legends,
we're all a team and whatever,one of us is vulnerable today and we
still have to keep that in minduntil we separate it ultimately. But like
(11:20):
I find I find the leaving sorryout of it story wise very fun to
keep that threat alive. Yeah,I think it's it's fun for a bunch
of reasons. So one that wewill talk about when we talk about her
in Constantine. So one is thatlike there is still one of them that
they have to protect because if theywere all in vulnerable it would be easier,
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but it's not as fun when they'reall in vulnerable during a zombie apocalypse.
It's fun if they're slightly and thenyeah, if there's if it's less
if they try to make it lessinteresting, it's more fun because if they're
if they're all in vulnerable, youcan do more slapstick stuff. If they're
not, then you do have tothink about the fact that one of them
can't do it. But I alsolike that it totally worked in the story
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because the character is Muslim and relativelydevout and does not drink as a result
of that. And this is somethingthat like I kind of wanted to talk
about because I recently sent you avideo clip that was tala Ash talking about
how when she was in acting school, her professor at one point was like,
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oh, you'll have it, youknow easy because of nine to eleven,
like there will be so many rolesfor you. And she was like,
that's not what I wanted to hear, right exactly. And it's like,
as an Iranian Canadian actress, likeshe probably has had a lot of
like people who want to cast heras like as a terrorist. There's so
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many actors who, like I knowthem because I've seen them play terrorists like
so many times because you're Tony Shabsif I'm saying his name right, like
that type of character actor. Yeah, Yeah, sometimes a good time and
sometimes he's a bad but he's alwaysgot a turbot on his head or something
like that, right, And Ilike one of the things that I love
about the character that she gets toplay both both versions of Sari. It's
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like that they are still always melisterand still always Muslim, but it doesn't
really have anything to do with likethe plot. It's not a negative thing.
It's just a fact, and theyfind opportunities to inject it into the
story. So drinking because of this, the observing Ramadan as a means of
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remembering her family and talking about ifTar, the meal they consume to break
the fast, and like just allof these little things that they that they
throw in there that are just characterbuilding, right, and also just like
as thrown away as like oh it'sChristmas time that we usually have, you
know, like that type of thing. I also I like what you're saying
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too, where it's just like there'sany number of story reasons why they could
have kept her or any one ofthem from from drinking. The child like
keeping them like that it is itis to the benefit of this show that
they they realize that they have builta diverse cast and and mind that for
(14:18):
story potential in not an exploitive way, but in a creative one. Yeah,
exactly. It's just it's something Sheis the most motivated of all of
them, besides maybe Charlie for personalher personal reasons, and John because of
astraa sure, but like our heartis with her right now trying to get
him back. Yeah, we arealso very much like on team sorry,
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but she's the one that's the mostmotivated and yet still you know, refused
to drink from the chalice. Likeall of this stuff is so important not
just to the story, but toher character, and I just really like
when things like that are part ofthe character. It's not just a throwaway.
It's not, you know, somethingthat we included because of a diversity.
It's like we included it because it'simportant to the character and it's also
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seemingly important to the actress. SoI actually liked it. I did too.
My question for you, though,is do you like zombie movies?
Yes? Mostly, Yeah, Ihaven't found one that I've hated. Okay,
as with most things, I likewhen it like plays with the formula,
And I also do, as notedlike zombie books. So I am
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a zombie fan, which one thatplays with the formula. I'm sorry,
I say this as a novice.For the most part, like I've seen
like You're Shaana the Dead's and afew or whatever. Well, Sean of
the Dead, I think plays withthe formula because it's a comedy, and
obviously Shanna the Dead is very muchpart of the DNA of this episode.
Me thinks the writer's room has seenthat movie. Yeah once or twice.
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Yeah, but also things like WarmBodies, which is just Romeo and Juliet
with a zombie, and yeah,I kind of remember this John Malkovich for
reasons, which is very different fromthe book that it's based on. But
I like them both for very differentreasons, Okay, and Hid in the
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Red Sweater, right, yeah,yeah, yeah, Okay. The movie's
a lot more straightforward, ya,whereas the book is a little more like
internal conversation. It's just different.They're just different, and they work for
different reasons, and I like thatthey both work for different reasons. And
then of course something like The Lastof Us the game and the show.
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I love it, and I thinkit's super quality, and I think it's
such good quality that I could notfinish that season because I'm like, I
can't. This is kind of likeme with the first season of Hannibal too,
where I'm like, I am feelingtoo much right now and I don't
want this in my life. Iacknowledge everyone here is doing a fucking phenomenal
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job, and I wish you allmany seasons of success. Goodbye. But
then there's also things like Speaking ofthe Last of Us and another one that
uses like cordyceps mushrooms because it's sucha thing that could happen. The Girl
with All the Gifts is also abook and a movie. The books excellent.
I have not seen the movie,no, But then like on the
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total opposite of the Spectrum Eye Zombieon CW, I really love We discussed,
I think, very briefly during anepisode of The Powerless Always Hold Onto
DC's Powerless on They Always Hold Onto Smallville Patreon, which you should all
check out because it's such a greatshow Powerless, It's so high quality.
(17:40):
Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, we're having a great time on the
podcast. Oh god, yes iam. I'm a bit of a connoisseur
of the zombie film. Okay,then I will pose to you what are
your thoughts on how the zombies aredealt with? They are not dealt with
oka Like, for one, theseare twenty eight days later zombies that run,
which is fine. They but likethe thing is they don't explain anything,
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but they don't Like I feel likethat's it. I feel like the
biggest scene, Yes, there's theaction scene where they're somewhat whatever, and
then like John's walking through them andthey're doing the zombie shuffle. You know,
yeah, it's it's They seem tomostly be the twenty eight days later
versus the Romeros. They're running,they're fighting, they're hitting things, they're
breaking down doors except when they don'tneed to be. And I guess you
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can explain that. The shuffling withConstantine as like they don't care about him.
They're docile. Yeah, why don'tthey care? Okay, this was
a thing today too. Sorry youjust brought this up, but I was
driving home from work today going andI didn't have time to rewatch it.
I'm like, fuck, why ishe immune and she's not? He has
a damn soul. Sure, Okay, I knew it was some magical bullshit
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thing, Like I've been to helltoo many times to whatever. Yeah,
yeah, it's very much magical bullshitof he has a damn soul because they
could just do it as he's invulnerable. It doesn't matter, right, did
a zombie thing? I like that? I like Zam Saul. That's fun.
But yeah, I knew it wassomething fun constantine reason. But that
means that, like the zombies areaware of and consuming your soul. Well
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interesting, how do you feel aboutthat? Society? I just don't.
It's not explained, it's not dealtwith. It doesn't matter, Okay,
And that's the whole thing with thezombies is like I can have an opinion
about the execution, but like itdoesn't matter. They are a set piece.
They are Yeah, they are thereto be an obstacle and that's it.
So they are the most basic ideaof a zombie you could think of.
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You know, it's zombie land,it's twenty eight days later, it's
just it's a zombie. That's it. They're there to guarantee that at the
end of this there is a threat, so that like to again put that
clock more onto the forefront of likenot only after this can we die again.
But it's not business as usual.There is death outside the door,
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waiting for us, waiting for thatclock to go. Absolutely, So I
feel a couple of ways about this. One is that it feels kind of
like it was on the list ofthings they wanted to do, but rather
than spend another episode doing zombies asthey rather than doing zombies, we're gonna
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do this zombies as roadblock. Sothey're there also as a distraction from the
time the ticking clock, Like youforget a little bit about the ticking clock
unless they're mentioning it like that thereis one, right, because they're dealing
with zombies now, Like, couldyou imagine if the same roadblocks existed without
the zombies, if it was justthem trying to find a way and then
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the thing being dead and like thewhole right, and now we just have
to wait at this bar and chargeand drink, And I'm like, this
sounds like a great Legends day.Frankly, you know, maybe it's the
cases and adropos are coming and that'sthe thing, but it's like less of
a menace than it is zombies becauseit's also in a lot of ways,
it's also like, oh fuck,another fucking thing, like right, and
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it's it's like this team whether theywould or could, Like there's a world
where you're like they can talk themselvesout of a battle with Atropos and the
keys is a little bit there's nothere's no reasoning with a giant, there's
no reasoning with the zombie, youknow, like it's just gonna come.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Soit leads to so many other good things.
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But it does feel like like somepeople are probably asking, like,
why haven't we done zombies or whythere was zombies in the Civil War?
Right mm hmm in that episode,but like they haven't abominations really yeah,
yes, abominations. But it's like, oh, we haven't done this thing.
Well, let's throw it away literally, like this is so much less
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interesting than any other idea that wehave, but it's on the list of
things we should do in a showlike this, So throw it out there,
right, and we can use it. We can do a few of
the tropes and then kill them atthe end, right exactly. And yeah,
it gives you a the men,but also the the things that happened
over the course of the episode,and also it gives you them getting separated.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ifind this also very fun. A
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we'll get to the part that's themost fun. But the team they like
get on a bus, they takeover a bus. There's zombies. The
military thinks that their zombies because theyshoot him in the head and they regenerate
or whatever, you know, likebecause we're in vulnerable for a day.
So they get taken into military customerby they, I mean Sarah, Ava,
Nate, Charlie Mick, yeah,everyone but John and sorry, I'm
(22:37):
sorry, who have separated from thegroup because Sari was annoyed, right right,
Okay, I definitely watched it,not that long ago, and yet
I can't remember the exact this iswhat happens if I don't rewatch it on
the day. I watched it yesterday, and I'm still like have I seen
this? But yes, it's fun. I especially love like they get taken
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by the military and they're in theback of the uh in the back of
the van, and like Sarah hasalready kind of well she's seen the future,
right yeah basically right, yes,well we will, but okay,
do you want to just wait totalk about that? I can't totally,
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so like we'll get into this alittle bit later. But like Sarah has
kind of given the reins to Avahere, and Ava's not dealing with it
well because immediately they're taken into custody. But again, it's this very capable
and fun loving team and like Nickknows that this armored car is weak in
this area and blah blah blah,and everyone's willing to like steal up and
(23:47):
give it a punch, and likeit's just like everyone working together in a
really fun way. Of course,Like this team at this point is like,
so we're taken into police cup thecustody. That don't impress the me
much. We'll figure that out,you know. Yeah, it's it's not
not just police custerday, but thisis military military, British military. I
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love the stupid mick thing of likeI know that this is this model of
this truck is weak at this point. Punch. It's very smart, really
it honestly, yeah it is.But it also like it shows how far
they've come as a team and theway that they work together, as you
said. But also it's just it'sfunny to jump out of a moving vehicle
(24:29):
when you know they're all just likehitting the ground hard and like whatever we're
in vulnerable. This is something toher, Yes, it's also such a
TV thing. I'm not mad atit, but it's funny to me that
they're all like taking their moment tojump out of a moving vehicle. We
cut the commercial, we cut back, and they're all like they're lined up
in the wrong way on the sideof the road and they're too close together,
and I'm like, this is sostupid, but who cares, you
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know. I will say that Abapopping her knee into place is really upsetting
as someone with a knee injury.I'm so sorry that that hit too close
to home. You don't do wellwith leg injuries in media. It's like
fair enough, But they're they're ontheir way. They get to the Time
travel safe house, a rip hunter'sname is invoked for a second. Yeah,
(25:15):
but they're they're on their way todo that. Meanwhile, most sucker
on the ship log with our otherside of the Yeah, okay, the
thing that you really want to talkabout? John and sorry too, Like
it's hot right, Yeah it is. Yes, I'm so into those.
I am also into this. Thisrelationship seemingly comes out of nowhere but also
(25:36):
works so well. It makes memad. I know, it comes It's
like truly it doesn't start. Thefirst time they really start interacting is like
that, you've got to bring mybrother back? Right A couple episodes ago
they do yes when they first startinteracting, but then they have a whole
episode where they're in the version ofhis house with Enchantress and you looking for
(25:56):
it. They've now because she said, like you are going to help me
bring my brother back. This iswhat's happening. They have thrown them together
so many and I think they justwork so well together. Yeah. I
think it's also very funny because thisversion of Zori like shouldn't work with a
guy like John No, but it'sso it is like she is the one
(26:19):
that would go for the bad boya little bit too. Yeah, definitely,
yeah, Yeah, I just Ithink it works so well. I
like the sorry this is I keepstealing your points. I feel like I'm
doing that too much. You wantto talk about the smoking thing? Oh
yeah, So there's a couple ofthings that I want to mention about.
(26:40):
I just really like this part ofthis season for this version of Zori.
So like we've we've had Sorry twopoint zero since episode two or three of
the season, Like she's been herefor a while. Yeah, but she's
not like really assimilated into the teamfully until Barehead gets Bloom. And so
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one of the things that I likeas like a running gag throughout the episode
as much as it is, isthat she keeps yelling at John for smoking,
like they're they're doing the thing onceagain, where like he puts a
cigarette in his mouth, but henever gets to smoke it, which they
had done so many time we talkedabout, which, God bless him,
they're keeping it alive, you know, right, it's just because he he
(27:22):
had quit smoking after Astra Head Astraand the Keses had like turned the clock
pieces of his coin and hell andgave him lung cancer at like an accelerated
rate. Right, So he waslike, all right, I'm doing the
kind of pulled it Constantine the movieof like you're not sick anyone, Yeah,
right, like where he just allthat I hadn't watched that in a
while and I watched it, andabout the sucking of the cancer out of
(27:44):
his lungs. Yeah, but soyeah, so she keeps yelling at him
about smoking, just like stealing thecigarette out of his mouth or like it
gets taken by a zombie or likeI just thought that was interesting m HM
as like a thing where she givesa shit about that but also is not
afraid to yell at him. Andthen there's also like Zori in general like
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steps up so much in this episode, like she is taking charge. She
is going off on her own tofind things to help them get to where
they need to in London, Likeshe's just making suggestions we'll talk about the
next thing because she this is alsoher suggestion, all right, but like
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this is the post bearhoud arc forher. We talked about it in the
Zari Not Sorry episode, but it'slike this is her now dealing with the
thing that Sari one point I wasdealing with when we met her is losing
her brother, well her whole family, but her brother specifically, And now
we get to see what this versionof Zari does and there's no desperate like
there's no desperation in it, althoughthere probably is desperation behind it, but
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like she just gets she's serious,like she is she means fucking business,
and she's getting the shit done andI really appreciate it. So you go
in on sorry two point, Yes, and again I would be very curious
to know whether they knew early onwhen they were creating this version of the
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character, like and eventually we're goingto throw it towards Constantine's way, you
know, like like eventually we're goingto get them together, or if it
came out organically from just like writingthe character for a few episodes, it's
like, it's not like it's theirrelationship is crucial to the paw out of
the season, where it would haveto be one way or another. But
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it's so interesting to me that itdoesn't feel like it's in the cards at
all. And then, like you'resaying, it is pulled out of nowhere,
and this is again kind of anepisode that really solidifies it obviously,
where she's she's the vulnerable one andhe has to kill her with an ancient
Egyptian curse which felt like the Mummy, which it felt so cool to me.
Blah blah blah, and she doesn'thave time for like the backstory,
(30:04):
just do it and get us outof here, and he has to she
has to expose his chest to worma little bit, and that's really hot,
and it's all just like not inan explicit way, but just in
a like there's a trust thing happeninghere. That is so like you could
cut it with a knife, andlike that is the best type of CW
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romancy stuff to me. I lovethat you enjoy the really demure romantic thing
and he's gentlemanly about it, andit's all like if he's not making out
with that nun from the show,or does I want to see these two
together? Like that's where I'm at. Yeah, I mean, so this
relationship comes out of nowhere in thesense that like I would not have guessed
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it up until the point where theystart leaning into it. Once they start
leaning into it, it just works. Like I said, it works so
well it makes me mad. That'swhat upset Waly. Shit. So I'm
I'm glad this works out because thisis a great relationship over the course of
the arc that it has, theseason that it has, but it also
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works out, like the ending ofit works out, which we also discussed
in a previous episode of the podcastWe're going to It got me to listen
to the Buzzcocks a bit. Youknow, a lot of comes out of
this relationship. Yeah, I'm gladI got you to listen to at least
that song, which is their mostfamous and great song. Yeah, yeah,
I just I love this episode andthis is it's such a small amount
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of the episode, but it issuch a big part of it. Yes,
it is the part that I rememberarguably the most from this episode besides
just like the end big fight sceneor whatever. Meanwhile, we're in the
ship log here Gary and Astra areGary and Gideon? What do you want?
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I let's talk about them both atthe same time, because it's one
like sea plot that is a veryimportant seaplot of the episode. Yeah,
Gary on the wave Writer because wewe're gonna give a little setup of this
this storyline, right they mentioned itbeing the episode like, oh where's Gary.
Well, his rabbit has ibs.So the rabbit that he has because
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previously he had a dog that wasa hell hound and not just any it
was son of Sam's dog happens.So now he has a bunny that is
not from Hell at least as faras we know, named Gary Junior two.
And while he is on the wavewriter, like the fates show up
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with Astra, they take over,they take Gideon offline, and then things
happen and Gideon is a rabbit anda rabbit is Gideon. Yeah, we
get like Amy shows up for asecond and you think maybe he's connected to
the machine somehow, but it's reallynot her at all. It's his version
of her. I guess that arabbit because she hops it's also a rabbit.
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Yeah, it's very cute. She'sdoing great work. She's doing the
work. Yeah, she's also notquite doing the ful Gideon voice that she'll
do later and she usually does.And it's just interesting in these moments to
see her on the show where I'mlike, oh, you don't totally feel
like Gideon to me. I knowthat's stupid to say, you know,
Yeah, I mean when she's therein reality, she tends to drop a
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little bit of the affect of Gideon. Yes. Yeah, the same thing
happens in the Here we Go Againepisode. The seeriness of her goes away,
and I feel like, in seasonseven, maybe I'm crazy, she
finds a way to kind of bringthat in a little bit more. Yeah.
I think that season seven, becauseshe gets to do it so much,
she finds sort of the the balanceof it. Yeah. But yeah,
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so he's basically, like Gary istrying to fight against the fates on
his own, which more power tohim. Right, incredibly ill prepared.
Yeah, and he has like madethe rings disappear. He stole them first,
and he made them disappear. Andnow he is tied up and Astra
(34:05):
is going to torture him, andhe's like, hey, but maybe don't
do that. Yes, I likethat he is the type of person that
can so doubt in her that thereis that he's annoying and whatever, you
know, Gary, we hate Gary, but there is an innate goodness,
goodness, there's an innate goodness andcharmed to him that that even a girl
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raised in hell can see and bea little bit won over by, a
little bit swayed by. And honestly, I doubt that he's even trying that
hard, right, Like it's it'smore the way that he She says,
you know, I don't want toget my mom back anymore, Like I've
given up on that because Lakeisa showedme that what I'd actually be signing up
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for is losing her again. Becauseyeah, even if my mind comes back
to life, she's gonna die eventually, anyway, these people die. And
he's like, but did she showyou anything else? Like literally just the
question that Gary would ask and hernot realizing that like, yeah, that's
gonna happen, but like, didyou think it wasn't gonna happen? Like
did you bringing your mom back fromthe dad means that she will never ever
(35:10):
die that you were gonna die forI mean the way you live maybe,
but yeah perhaps, but but yeah, yeah, Like I just I like
that he's just he bests her andturns her back just by being himself and
asking that question and like pointing out, like weren't there any good memories?
Like can you tell me a storyrather than torturing me? That would be
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great? Right, It's it's good. It seems simple, which means it's
really good writing. You know,like it's really impressive to me those little
moments that they can pull out ofthis this dumb sea story that shouldn't matter.
Gets her killed, but still hedoes get stabbed through the heart,
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but you know it's okay. Sothat happens here a lot. So yeah,
there's a lot of blood on thisship. Yeah, speaking of it,
So we're gonna we're gonna put apin in the sarah Ava stuff as
we talk about the finale. I'mso curious as to when you're gonna unpin
this, but yes, we're gonnaunpinned Sarah Eva. I'm gonna I'm gonna
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do enough for right now, Okay, because I think that ultimately the Sarah
I want, I want to talkabout the Sarah aven stuff, Sarah Ava
stuff when it gets to that whenwe're talking about this finale. So there's
this big time safe house pub situationthat very much is like we watched shan
of the Dead we're doing we watchedit this week that we broke this episode.
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Yeah, this is what we're doing. So there they get there the
time courier is dead and Sarah islike it's dead, right, and it
was like, yeah, cool,well there's nothing we can do. So
we're just gonna sit at a tableand drink and talk while it charges.
Because also, as far as Ihope this isn't taking a pin out,
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but as far as we know oras far as she's told anybody, her
powers are gone. Yeah, shecan't see anything, but we've gotten these
little clues throughout or she's given theselittle clues throughout to the team that like,
yeah, I still kind of gotit, Like I knew that'd be
dead right right, So rather thanyou know, worry too much because there's
not that much they can do untilthe time Carrier is back online. They
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think they're safe. They're in thepub, they're sitting around a table and
they're talking and this is like there'sso much character work throughout the episode,
but this is where it gets likereally serious and they're really doing, like
they're putting in the effort for thecharacter work and asking everybody like, okay,
you get the loom, what doyou do? Yep? And it's
very it's just as easy as that. It's not as as hidden as other
(37:45):
writing choices, but it's so funthat they just took the time to get
them here and go through that withthis team that we it's very eclectic team
that we love and let them goaround and say all this stuff. I
think of this all the time asone of my favorite Legend scenes because I'm
like, there's so much at stake, and yet it feels so real that
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they would sit down and have abeer and do this yeah, and just
have this conversation because like there's nothingelse they can do. We know that
this has to happen and we knowwhere it eventually has to get to,
but you know, we're gonna we'regonna sit and go around the table and
talk about what we would do witha lumin and it's like, right,
so you get like the really goodanswers, Right, so you get sorry
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for is gonna bring your brother back? You get John pretending like he's gonna
throw a giant party, and Ilike Charlie's like, but would you though,
Yeah, it's like no, I'dstill want to do right by Astra,
Like that's great, Like that's anice character bit for him, and
that he's vulnerable enough with these peoplenow that just say that. Yeah,
it's okay. Yeah, you getSarah saying like I wouldn't change anything,
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which is so like if you thinkabout season two where Sarah's spending the whole
season of The Spear of Destiny becauseshe wants to bring her sister back,
and then the lesson that she learnedat the end of the season is no
one should have that power. Ilove that, Like they do not call
back to that, but that's allI think when I hear that Paragon of
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Destiny motherfuckers? Yeah right, yeah? Is this the fact that she learned
that several years ago she learned thatno one should have the power to change
destiny, and therefore I would notchange anything because my life is great.
I have a ship, I havea crew, and I have my girl,
and that's all I need. Andit's so it's so true, where
like I hope everyone listening, Ihope you have had those moments in life
(39:36):
where it's just like, everything's greatright now. It's not gonna last forever,
Like I live in that, likeit's not gonna last for like,
enjoy it now. But I'm like, if you're if you're catching me in
one of those moments, I'm like, yep, I will do this to
the day I die. You know, like this, this life right now
is great, and it's so sweetthat that this chaos is totally fine with
(39:58):
her as long as she's got thelove life by your side, you know
it. And then we get mixingthat he would go back to a life
I'd be a criminal again. Simplelife. Yep. The only other thing
that I wanted to note about thisstupidity is that all of this whole conversation
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is so deep and wonderful and suchgreat character stuff. And it's also then
in the very next episode turned intothe most ridiculous things you can craziest thing
this show will ever pull off.In many ways, yes, like and
the fact that you don't necessarily realizeit while you're watching that episode, but
then Charlie is like, oh,no, I gave you everything that you
(40:44):
fucking said. Yeah, exactly,this is what you said. It's like,
but I didn't want to be inStar Trek, right. I am
a wonderful writer and you should acknowledgethat. Yeah, by the way,
what go listen to that because wetalked about some fun stuff. We had
a blast doing that one. Butthe last thing, obviously that we need
(41:07):
to talk about is the sarenav Withstuff, which we have saved to this
because I do this. This isa lot. There's so much that happens
in this like three scenes that theyhave, like where it starts out at
the very beginning where they're like,all right, we're gonna go, and
you know, Ava grabs her handsand Sarah like jumps back and you realize
(41:29):
she's had a vision and they allrealize she has a vision, but she
pretends that she didn't really have avision see anything. And then you have
throughout the episode you have moments wherethey're on the bus where Sarah's like,
hey, I want you to takepoint on this. You know, I
think you can do it. Ibelieve in you. I think I want
to be a footsal foot soldier becauseI don't have my visions anymore. Therefore
I would be better to do this, do this this way. Which when
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was that ever something that was necessary? And just all these like little moments
of that and the whole time Eva, No, that's something that's going on.
That's something doesn't know what is goingon. And we get to the
scene where they're sitting around drinking andthey have all their conversations and then Sarah
gets up and walks away and goesto the bar and Aba follows her and
(42:12):
she tells her that like Sarah says, like the time carrier is not going
to charge in time, Like,yes, I did have a vision.
Obviously I'm gonna die. The zombiesare kind of come through the door and
I'm gonna die and it's gonna befine. And it's like no, yeah,
like why would you think that it'sgonna be fine. Jess McCallan's performance
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both when she's when she finds outwhat Sarah has been doing and when she
eventually does get taken down. Justheartbreaking. Yep, kind of a no
holds barred performance on this dumb assshow. Like she's basically phenomenal. She's
basically crying from the moment Sarah tellsher until the moment she also dies.
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Mm hmm. The scream for her, the like you know, all of
it is so good. I alsolove the immediate move of Ava, like
giving the courier to Charlie, who'slike, we trust her, but arguably
the least trustworthy of the group hereis just like it's just you. You
are the only shot here. I'vegot no ego here, fucking go right,
(43:22):
Yeah exactly, It's it's this wholething. Really, Sarah jumping up
on the pool table and like makingher stand is so good. And then
like when she ultimately goes down becausewe knew that was coming because she disrected
all the zombies, and then Avadecides like, Okay, well, I
(43:42):
am not gonna do this is notfor me to do. This is for
me to facilitate, getting emotional,going ape shit with the shotgun for a
minute and then realizing yeah, likethis I it's somebody else, Yeah great,
it's charged here, you do it. I this we go down together,
and just the constant repetition of theco captains for life. Just ugh,
that's the part too. It's justI love it the whole, like
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the whole I've been training my replacementtoday thing when I realized I was gonna
die and she's the love of mylife. Yeah. Sorry, Just I
have nothing, I have nothing ofsubstance to add to this besides just it
fucking works. And if you're notan Ava Lance fan after this episode,
what the fuck are you watching?It's just and like the thing is like
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if it had just been Sarah,if everybody else had escaped and adjustment Sarah,
there I think would be more questionsof like, but do they fix
it? But because everybody goes down, you know they're gonna have to fix
it in the next episode. Hey, Like I'm not worried about season six
at this point. Yeah, Butit's also there's you also kind of have
to see it from like the writingof the Charlie character perspective of like watching
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all of these people die and thenhaving to go and what the hell do
I do? Like we already establishedthat she can't use the loom by herself,
and I don't know, there's justso much about that big last scene,
which a must have been a bitchto shoot, oh horrible, and
choreograph and everything, and it's justso many great moments in it and such
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great performances in it. And thenlike also this is leading us into our
our two part finale episode essentially,because the We're Trapped on TV is like
it is the penultimate episode, likeit is penultimate, and it's its existence
leads into Swan. It feeds sodirectly into the final into Swan Thong.
(45:37):
I just it's just so good.It's it's like this whole episode has been
great and weirdly felt long because ofthe amount of stuff that's crammed into it.
I kind of had the same thing, honestly, but it's not.
It's not. It's a really longepisode, but it's not like a long
episode, and it doesn't feel longbecause it's dull. It feels long because
there's so much in it, becauseeven for this show, they're playing a
(45:58):
lot of different notes here. Yeah, and it just there's a lot of
ridiculousness in it. There's a lotof serious stuff in it, and it
ends with such a gut punch,like we've spent this episode mostly making fun
of the fact that they're in vulnerableand fighting zombies, and then it ends
with everybody dying and it's just like, ah, yep, incredible stuff.
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And then Charlie joins the sisters andmakes the great TV episode and that's the
end. That's the end, Tricia, would you like to play some games?
Let's play some games. What's yourlegendary moment. My legendary moment is
John and Zari escape zombies with deathand Damnation, not the one I thought
you'd go for. I thought onethat I would go for is the one
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that you pick. Okay. Iwas like, we're allowed to double up.
I know, I know, butI like to give. I like
to spread it around as much aspossible. As much as I love what
you're about to say, I alsolove them, like the trust that they
show and doing it that way,steaks that are on the table for that,
and also it's just fun. Yep, couldn't agree more. It's really
great. But nothing's better than SarahLance on top of a pool table,
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blind as shit, kick an asswith a pole cute. I agree?
Yep, yep. Gee. Who'syour MVL? My MVL is Gary didn't
see that coke. I'm gonna giveit to him, Okay, Gary,
Gary, Gary stands up to thetwo worst fates and does some fucking magic.
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Okay, Annie talks asked you down, like the only reason that they
survived as long as they did wasbecause he did not give them the rings.
It's also such like sell that crapat the airport magic. You know,
too many Buffy and Angel references.I'm sorry, but it's so it's
so simple, you know, butit's best. Yeah, fuck them.
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I guess I'm gonna say, John, because it's a really fun way to
save someone by killing them. Yes, and just's all for that scene.
But I'm just like, yeah,that's you know what, that's creative John.
Oh, you know, like,great job. Let's play some cards,
say the timeline. I only haveone scenario this week. When caught
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in the British zombie apocalypse, rememberto keep calm and Blank alisair Carley's gonna
read it. Sarah had a visionof Blank, but she's not telling anyone,
and Gary hallucinated Blank as Blank again. Solution slash people a fully charged
time courier invoking rip Hunter's memory toexplain what's going on. I have Bunny,
(48:37):
Gideon, Gary's Rabbit's ibs and asimple obfuscation spell perfect Bingo. I
was surprised there's not too much becauseI guess we're doing like charactery stuff for
most of this and we didn't getSarah dies as one of the bingos.
Right, We've got some very cheapbut they did it steal ups here and
there, and when it's like truezombie time, we get some John Constantine
(49:00):
fire hands. Yes we do.Yeah, a few times we get Constant
fire hands, and that isn't forBingo. We've had a couple of episodes
where it's like fourteen hundred things forBingo. So yeah, it's fine to
be light on Bingo every once ina while. Did we want to put
Gideon malfunction in there at all?Is it a Gideon malfunction or is it
(49:23):
a ship broken? Well, theship technically is fine. It's just they
took Gideon enough one and also Gideon'sa bunny. Okay, sure, Gideon
malfunction, you bet I'm not goingto fight you. I did. Maybe
the rules of our Ingo were alittle light on the ground. They are
because we sometimes make it up aswe go vibes. We're running on vibes
(49:45):
here. Do you want to rollpurely at this point? Yes? Yes,
sorry, I'll roll for the episode. Do you have the episode list
up to I will in a moment. Yep Season four, Season four?
How many episodes in season four?Season four? Hells sixteen episode sixteen episodes?
Okadoky and no crossovers? Yeah,no crossovers. Four eleven. I
(50:09):
think we've done this. Four elevenis sensibility. Nope, it's I love
this one. Oh shit, Okay, listeners, peek behind the curtain.
We have to like, not recordfor a few weeks. I am so
excited to come back for this episodeas am I. Holy shit. Okay,
(50:34):
I'm gonna make my wife watch thiswith men good one? Oh man?
Okay, cool? What what atrip we'll have time. Not like
Cement in this episode, absolutely notlike Cement. Also, there's a musical
number. Well yeah, goodness,no, but oh wow, Okay,
(50:57):
I don't even I don't even wantto say anything because my wife's too close
to to talk about it. Butit's just such a such a lovely episode
of the show. Listeners know whatit is. And if you're listening and
you don't know, what the hellare you doing? You should watch that
episode. Yes, fully watched thatepisode before we cover it because it is
so fun and I think I shouldbe fresh in everyone's mind. Yeah right,
Also, you should watch it anyway, it's so fun. Also.
(51:20):
Yeah, also, as mentioned earlier, you should do it for one month
and check out Tricia and I onAlways hold on to Powerless on the Always
hold On to Smallville Patreon. Thismonth, we covered episode one oh four
of that show. It's such aweird show. It builds itself as DC's
(51:40):
first comedy and I'm like, it'slike second or third at that point,
but especially if you count Legends.But we had a good time, and
it was so thankful Tricia that youwere willing to give Powerless, you know,
twenty minutes of your life and thencome talk to us about it for
way long, single episode of mylife and then talk to you guys about
it for as that as long aswe did at least three times as much.
(52:01):
Yeah, that's the first time thatwe've done you me and Zach on
a podcast that wasn't this podcast,which is kind of fun to do.
Yeah, that's a good point anyway, So if you've liked the episodes where
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nerd. You thanks for listening.H did it write this time? And we surrender
This is a question that I havenot asked in a long time. But
do you have a zombie apocalypse plan? No? Given the state of the
country, I'm like suddenly, likeI think I need a much darker plan.
Actually, like I think I needlike a realistic plan. No,
because I've never like this is aquestion I had for you later, but
like I've never been a huge zombiemovie fan, so it's never been like
(00:24):
a back of my head thing.Whereas like I'm like I've watched too much
Buffy to tell you that, Likeif a vampire jumped in here immediately,
I think I could take it,you know, like I think I know
at least what my first move wouldbe. But no, do you yes?
And no? So I used tobe in college. I used to
have like a great plan. Itwould basically be Resident Evil three, okay,
where which means there's a caravan ofpeople. Everybody has a job for
(00:50):
various things, right, Okay,everybody provides some kind of skill, and
that's like you have people who aregun people and I am not a gun
people. Okay, picture like amad is it like a mad Maxis situation,
Like we have to keep going andyeah, okay, yeah, kind
of like that, but like MadMax, what happens if you run out
of fuel? That is a verygood question. I don't know. I
(01:11):
think that there's a lot that youhave to take into consideration upon trying to
survive a zombie apocalypse. I wouldsay so, And among those things is
do you expect the human race tosurvive? Basically? Can the zombies die
out? Like can they see ordo they just continue to and do you
answer to starve? There's so manyquestions that dictate which movie or book my
(01:38):
zombie apocalypse plan must come from,like if you if you die of natural
if you have a heart attack onyour caravan and you haven't been bitten or
anything, but have we all beenexposed to something? That then means you're
still going to get animated anyway.This feed Model, which is a book
by Mirra Grant that I strongly recommend, is about being a journalist in the
(01:59):
zombie apocalypse. I just realized thatmeans that the human race does not survive
ultimately, that's a much darker take. Okay, well this actually they do.
It's a whole thing. It's reallyinteresting. Againstrongly recommend the book.
It's a series of a trilogy ofbooks. But I also like that model
in terms of like what I wouldprobably do, Like basically, I would
survive the initial onslaught ideally, andthen journalists because that's my job. Oh
(02:25):
that's cool. I feel like weshould put the theme song in right now
and then keep talking about this.So three two one, drums please,
and let's get in Welcome back toAlways Hold on to DC's Lives tomorrow.
(02:54):
I wonder I'm your other co captain, Trish. Is that how you're gonna
put it? So, yeah,I'm just trying to I'm just trying to
get piped through it because I'm like, Okay, I like I like this
plan. I'm also realizing I liveabout three blocks away from a mall,
and I'm like, maybe I forgetwhich movie that is, but maybe I
(03:15):
do the Romero thing, the RomeroZack Snyder or who else? Okay,
what's the one where like a bunchof people hang out in the mall and
someone we're not qualified to do this, I'm just saying that might be a
good move, yes, And I'lljust survive on Wetzel's pretzels for yeah,
(03:37):
I mean yeah, especially it's rightby a highway. Too, so people
are gonna see I always worry aboutthat because we have very exposed windows,
and I'm like, should anything evergo down, they're gonna know where're you
know, whoever the day is.Anyway, this is a rare moment,
the first time ever where I hada cold open question for you too,
and it's more optimistic. Oh okay, so if you if you were immortal
(04:00):
for a day, what would youdo? If I was im mortal for
a day, what I do?Well? I think the things that I
would want to do, I wouldnot be able to because they require physical
ability that I do not possess andwould not be Okay. I think that's
one of the benefits that the legendshave and this particular scenario which they are
(04:23):
all physically fit people just do stuffanyway, superheroes. Right, maybe I
would do something that's like stupidly dangerous, run around a minefield or something and
just showing up so that they canbe done, or like, I don't
know, help people cross the border. I don't, Yeah, I don't.
(04:43):
It's one of those two where I'myou're such a good person, people
cross the border, Jesus. I'mlike, I think I'm want to tuck
and roll out of a car.Really. Oh yeah, I would do
that shit too. Like my firstthought was it was I would jump out
of a plan. I've done thatwithout being immortal. I try to like
parkour around Batman and see if Icould do hang gliding. But like that's
the thing. Things that I immediatelycome to mind are like ridiculous rock climbing
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and just things I physically cannot do. So then we get to the altruistic
stuff because I can do that,I just shouldn't and you're just shielding people.
But yeah, all right, man, Trish is a better person than
all of us, only because I'mnot physically capable. If I were buff
Like, fuck everybody, I'm jumpingout of it. Yeah, yeah,
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I'm base jumping. I'm doing allthat shit. Yep, Okay, I
like this. I might scooby diveor like like free dive through like one
of those caves to get to anotherthing. It's like, I'm not going
to do that to get to anoasis. I don't care how prey it
is right now, because I amtoo afraid that I'm gonna get stuck and
die. Yeah. But if that'snot if I've got time to drown and
wake up and come and get outof there. So that's actually totally random.
(05:54):
But that's something that has come upbefore. Is like, if you
are invulnerable basically like your wolver thepossibility that you were going to get trapped
somewhere for the rest of eternity,it is one hundred percent possible. Way.
Oh God, will Wolverine die eventually? And logan? You know spoilers
(06:16):
right, it's unclear? Okay,huh interesting. I have not read enough
X Men comics to tell you definitively, but you know what, You've watched
enough of X Men movies, DC'sLegends of Tomorrow. Oh yeah, I've
watched plenty of that. They're notgoing to die for the next twenty four
hours, next twenty four hours?Did you even? Did you introduce yourself
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yet? I did? You mumbledyour intro and I was just trying to
I couldn't remize this to make sureit's a fun one. So let's get
into it. We're talking five fifteenI Am Legends, aired May nineteenth,
twenty twenty, written by Ray Too. You turn Atchet with Leah Poullett and
(07:00):
Emily Cheever. Hope I'm doing thatright, directed by Andrew Ketsch and ratings
honestly a bit of a bump thisweek. It's been in like the point
sixties or so, and we've gota point eighty on this one. Wow.
Yeah, cracking a million people nevergonna I uh did it once this
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season and you know which episode?Oh, yes, the one that maybe
doesn't count if you even count it. Yeah, exactly. Our team rundown
is pretty standard for this era oflegends. Sarah, Ava, Constantine,
Nate, Charlie Zari two point zero, Mick Astra and Gary on the wave
Riders specifically, and Berad who ispresently loomed and doesn't. Castra is an
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interesting edition here, yes, becauseshe is not currently a legend, but
she is a legend in our heartsbecause she is next season because she will
be around. Yeah, but she'sin her to Attrack did to Lakisa's and
don't don't Atropos, Yeah, tobe a good guy. For most of
(08:09):
this episode, she's too and likeinterested in a whether they're selling. But
also Lakisas has basically raised her inhell yes, uh, and so who
does she trust really? And shetrusts her more and also she's afraid of
her because she's scary, honestly thescariest of the bunch, even though Atropose
(08:30):
is all knife Yeah, but she'scool. I don't know. Lakisas has
like almost an ursula vibe to herwhere I'm like, I like this,
but yeah, yeah, it's soyeah. So she has she has turned
I'll say it in our recap here. So we found the loom. It's
three rings. It's still broken.We can't use it because we are mere
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mortals and also Charlie, who isimmortal. So we bested a frat bro
version of Dionysus and had to drinkfrom his cup. That makes us twenty
four hours except for sary h butAstra turncoat again and helped the mean Fate
steal the wave Rider. Uh oh, and Sarah went blind but when she
looked too hard at Atropos. Butshe's mostly fine and she can see the
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future now. Yeah, it's avery it's a it's a daredevil, it's
a very active blind. Yeah.Her whole thing of like you know,
on Nanda Parbat we had to liketrain for a month or something. Right,
It makes you think of Andrew andBuffy trying to explain the guys with
their eyes carved out and it's justlike, uh, and these are the
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keepers who were very mobile for blindpeople. I had to rewatch Buffy.
I haven't watched that in so long. Keepers, am I even right about
that? I don't know who givesa shit what? I mainly remember,
like the Knights of Byzantium should reallyhave been much more noticeable than they were.
They were cool though, that's wina bago fight fucking rocks. I
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watched that all the time anyway.So yeah, as covered, the legs
of Tomorrow are unkillable, which isa fun gimmick. And we got a
clock going, like literally he alreadyhas the clock going. I find this
very fun to like give them aone day pass and know somehow they're gonna
fuck it up, you know,yeah, one day pass, they're gonna
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fuck it up. And also likemostly use it for slapstick comedy. Yeah,
because anything for the falling out ofa car or the whatever on the
head. We'll talk. But likethey still feel pain and still get injured,
but it doesn't kill them. Soand like the heel really fast.
(10:37):
Yeah, it's the it's the menin black Jeeves's that you have any idea
how much that stings you. Soit's like it works like you're not I
think is it works because of thetime limit without the ticking clock. You
Also, there's no sense of urgency. They did this because they want to
use the loom, so they havetwenty four hours, not just like of
(11:00):
invulnerability, but they have twenty fourhours to use the loom to hopefully get
back to the ship and use themand do all that stuff. It's also
there. Yeah, it's also funtoo of the like we're all legends,
we're all a team and whatever,one of us is vulnerable today and we
still have to keep that in minduntil we separate it ultimately. But like
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I find I find the leaving sorryout of it story wise very fun to
keep that threat alive. Yeah,I think it's it's fun for a bunch
of reasons. So one that wewill talk about when we talk about her
in Constantine. So one is thatlike there is still one of them that
they have to protect because if theywere all in vulnerable it would be easier,
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but it's not as fun when they'reall in vulnerable during a zombie apocalypse.
It's fun if they're slightly and thenyeah, if there's if it's less
if they try to make it lessinteresting, it's more fun because if they're
if they're all in vulnerable, youcan do more slapstick stuff. If they're
not, then you do have tothink about the fact that one of them
can't do it. But I alsolike that it totally worked in the story
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because the character is Muslim and relativelydevout and does not drink as a result
of that. And this is somethingthat like I kind of wanted to talk
about because I recently sent you avideo clip that was tala Ash talking about
how when she was in acting school, her professor at one point was like,
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oh, you'll have it, youknow easy because of nine to eleven,
like there will be so many rolesfor you. And she was like,
that's not what I wanted to hear, right exactly. And it's like,
as an Iranian Canadian actress, likeshe probably has had a lot of
like people who want to cast heras like as a terrorist. There's so
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many actors who, like I knowthem because I've seen them play terrorists like
so many times because you're Tony Shabsif I'm saying his name right, like
that type of character actor. Yeah, Yeah, sometimes a good time and
sometimes he's a bad but he's alwaysgot a turbot on his head or something
like that, right, And Ilike one of the things that I love
about the character that she gets toplay both both versions of Sari. It's
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like that they are still always melisterand still always Muslim, but it doesn't
really have anything to do with likethe plot. It's not a negative thing.
It's just a fact, and theyfind opportunities to inject it into the
story. So drinking because of this, the observing Ramadan as a means of
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remembering her family and talking about ifTar, the meal they consume to break
the fast, and like just allof these little things that they that they
throw in there that are just characterbuilding, right, and also just like
as thrown away as like oh it'sChristmas time that we usually have, you
know, like that type of thing. I also I like what you're saying
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too, where it's just like there'sany number of story reasons why they could
have kept her or any one ofthem from from drinking. The child like
keeping them like that it is itis to the benefit of this show that
they they realize that they have builta diverse cast and and mind that for
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story potential in not an exploitive way, but in a creative one. Yeah,
exactly. It's just it's something Sheis the most motivated of all of
them, besides maybe Charlie for personalher personal reasons, and John because of
astraa sure, but like our heartis with her right now trying to get
him back. Yeah, we arealso very much like on team sorry,
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but she's the one that's the mostmotivated and yet still you know, refused
to drink from the chalice. Likeall of this stuff is so important not
just to the story, but toher character, and I just really like
when things like that are part ofthe character. It's not just a throwaway.
It's not, you know, somethingthat we included because of a diversity.
It's like we included it because it'simportant to the character and it's also
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seemingly important to the actress. SoI actually liked it. I did too.
My question for you, though,is do you like zombie movies?
Yes? Mostly, Yeah, Ihaven't found one that I've hated. Okay,
as with most things, I likewhen it like plays with the formula,
And I also do, as notedlike zombie books. So I am
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a zombie fan, which one thatplays with the formula. I'm sorry,
I say this as a novice.For the most part, like I've seen
like You're Shaana the Dead's and afew or whatever. Well, Sean of
the Dead, I think plays withthe formula because it's a comedy, and
obviously Shanna the Dead is very muchpart of the DNA of this episode.
Me thinks the writer's room has seenthat movie. Yeah once or twice.
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Yeah, but also things like WarmBodies, which is just Romeo and Juliet
with a zombie, and yeah,I kind of remember this John Malkovich for
reasons, which is very different fromthe book that it's based on. But
I like them both for very differentreasons, Okay, and Hid in the
(16:11):
Red Sweater, right, yeah,yeah, yeah, Okay. The movie's
a lot more straightforward, ya,whereas the book is a little more like
internal conversation. It's just different.They're just different, and they work for
different reasons, and I like thatthey both work for different reasons. And
then of course something like The Lastof Us the game and the show.
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I love it, and I thinkit's super quality, and I think it's
such good quality that I could notfinish that season because I'm like, I
can't. This is kind of likeme with the first season of Hannibal too,
where I'm like, I am feelingtoo much right now and I don't
want this in my life. Iacknowledge everyone here is doing a fucking phenomenal
(16:57):
job, and I wish you allmany seasons of success. Goodbye. But
then there's also things like Speaking ofthe Last of Us and another one that
uses like cordyceps mushrooms because it's sucha thing that could happen. The Girl
with All the Gifts is also abook and a movie. The books excellent.
I have not seen the movie,no, But then like on the
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total opposite of the Spectrum Eye Zombieon CW, I really love We discussed,
I think, very briefly during anepisode of The Powerless Always Hold Onto
DC's Powerless on They Always Hold Onto Smallville Patreon, which you should all
check out because it's such a greatshow Powerless, It's so high quality.
(17:40):
Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, we're having a great time on the
podcast. Oh god, yes iam. I'm a bit of a connoisseur
of the zombie film. Okay,then I will pose to you what are
your thoughts on how the zombies aredealt with? They are not dealt with
oka Like, for one, theseare twenty eight days later zombies that run,
which is fine. They but likethe thing is they don't explain anything,
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but they don't Like I feel likethat's it. I feel like the
biggest scene, Yes, there's theaction scene where they're somewhat whatever, and
then like John's walking through them andthey're doing the zombie shuffle. You know,
yeah, it's it's They seem tomostly be the twenty eight days later
versus the Romeros. They're running,they're fighting, they're hitting things, they're
breaking down doors except when they don'tneed to be. And I guess you
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can explain that. The shuffling withConstantine as like they don't care about him.
They're docile. Yeah, why don'tthey care? Okay, this was
a thing today too. Sorry youjust brought this up, but I was
driving home from work today going andI didn't have time to rewatch it.
I'm like, fuck, why ishe immune and she's not? He has
a damn soul. Sure, Okay, I knew it was some magical bullshit
(18:48):
thing, Like I've been to helltoo many times to whatever. Yeah,
yeah, it's very much magical bullshitof he has a damn soul because they
could just do it as he's invulnerable. It doesn't matter, right, did
a zombie thing? I like that? I like Zam Saul. That's fun.
But yeah, I knew it wassomething fun constantine reason. But that
means that, like the zombies areaware of and consuming your soul. Well
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interesting, how do you feel aboutthat? Society? I just don't.
It's not explained, it's not dealtwith. It doesn't matter, Okay,
And that's the whole thing with thezombies is like I can have an opinion
about the execution, but like itdoesn't matter. They are a set piece.
They are Yeah, they are thereto be an obstacle and that's it.
So they are the most basic ideaof a zombie you could think of.
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You know, it's zombie land,it's twenty eight days later, it's
just it's a zombie. That's it. They're there to guarantee that at the
end of this there is a threat, so that like to again put that
clock more onto the forefront of likenot only after this can we die again.
But it's not business as usual.There is death outside the door,
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waiting for us, waiting for thatclock to go. Absolutely, So I
feel a couple of ways about this. One is that it feels kind of
like it was on the list ofthings they wanted to do, but rather
than spend another episode doing zombies asthey rather than doing zombies, we're gonna
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do this zombies as roadblock. Sothey're there also as a distraction from the
time the ticking clock, Like youforget a little bit about the ticking clock
unless they're mentioning it like that thereis one, right, because they're dealing
with zombies now, Like, couldyou imagine if the same roadblocks existed without
the zombies, if it was justthem trying to find a way and then
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the thing being dead and like thewhole right, and now we just have
to wait at this bar and chargeand drink, And I'm like, this
sounds like a great Legends day.Frankly, you know, maybe it's the
cases and adropos are coming and that'sthe thing, but it's like less of
a menace than it is zombies becauseit's also in a lot of ways,
it's also like, oh fuck,another fucking thing, like right, and
(21:04):
it's it's like this team whether theywould or could, Like there's a world
where you're like they can talk themselvesout of a battle with Atropos and the
keys is a little bit there's nothere's no reasoning with a giant, there's
no reasoning with the zombie, youknow, like it's just gonna come.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Soit leads to so many other good things.
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But it does feel like like somepeople are probably asking, like,
why haven't we done zombies or whythere was zombies in the Civil War?
Right mm hmm in that episode,but like they haven't abominations really yeah,
yes, abominations. But it's like, oh, we haven't done this thing.
Well, let's throw it away literally, like this is so much less
(21:47):
interesting than any other idea that wehave, but it's on the list of
things we should do in a showlike this, So throw it out there,
right, and we can use it. We can do a few of
the tropes and then kill them atthe end, right exactly. And yeah,
it gives you a the men,but also the the things that happened
over the course of the episode,and also it gives you them getting separated.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ifind this also very fun. A
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we'll get to the part that's themost fun. But the team they like
get on a bus, they takeover a bus. There's zombies. The
military thinks that their zombies because theyshoot him in the head and they regenerate
or whatever, you know, likebecause we're in vulnerable for a day.
So they get taken into military customerby they, I mean Sarah, Ava,
Nate, Charlie Mick, yeah,everyone but John and sorry, I'm
(22:37):
sorry, who have separated from thegroup because Sari was annoyed, right right,
Okay, I definitely watched it,not that long ago, and yet
I can't remember the exact this iswhat happens if I don't rewatch it on
the day. I watched it yesterday, and I'm still like have I seen
this? But yes, it's fun. I especially love like they get taken
(23:04):
by the military and they're in theback of the uh in the back of
the van, and like Sarah hasalready kind of well she's seen the future,
right yeah basically right, yes,well we will, but okay,
do you want to just wait totalk about that? I can't totally,
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so like we'll get into this alittle bit later. But like Sarah has
kind of given the reins to Avahere, and Ava's not dealing with it
well because immediately they're taken into custody. But again, it's this very capable
and fun loving team and like Nickknows that this armored car is weak in
this area and blah blah blah,and everyone's willing to like steal up and
(23:47):
give it a punch, and likeit's just like everyone working together in a
really fun way. Of course,Like this team at this point is like,
so we're taken into police cup thecustody. That don't impress the me
much. We'll figure that out,you know. Yeah, it's it's not
not just police custerday, but thisis military military, British military. I
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love the stupid mick thing of likeI know that this is this model of
this truck is weak at this point. Punch. It's very smart, really
it honestly, yeah it is.But it also like it shows how far
they've come as a team and theway that they work together, as you
said. But also it's just it'sfunny to jump out of a moving vehicle
(24:29):
when you know they're all just likehitting the ground hard and like whatever we're
in vulnerable. This is something toher, Yes, it's also such a
TV thing. I'm not mad atit, but it's funny to me that
they're all like taking their moment tojump out of a moving vehicle. We
cut the commercial, we cut back, and they're all like they're lined up
in the wrong way on the sideof the road and they're too close together,
and I'm like, this is sostupid, but who cares, you
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know. I will say that Abapopping her knee into place is really upsetting
as someone with a knee injury.I'm so sorry that that hit too close
to home. You don't do wellwith leg injuries in media. It's like
fair enough, But they're they're ontheir way. They get to the Time
travel safe house, a rip hunter'sname is invoked for a second. Yeah,
(25:15):
but they're they're on their way todo that. Meanwhile, most sucker
on the ship log with our otherside of the Yeah, okay, the
thing that you really want to talkabout? John and sorry too, Like
it's hot right, Yeah it is. Yes, I'm so into those.
I am also into this. Thisrelationship seemingly comes out of nowhere but also
(25:36):
works so well. It makes memad. I know, it comes It's
like truly it doesn't start. Thefirst time they really start interacting is like
that, you've got to bring mybrother back? Right A couple episodes ago
they do yes when they first startinteracting, but then they have a whole
episode where they're in the version ofhis house with Enchantress and you looking for
(25:56):
it. They've now because she said, like you are going to help me
bring my brother back. This iswhat's happening. They have thrown them together
so many and I think they justwork so well together. Yeah. I
think it's also very funny because thisversion of Zori like shouldn't work with a
guy like John No, but it'sso it is like she is the one
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that would go for the bad boya little bit too. Yeah, definitely,
yeah, Yeah, I just Ithink it works so well. I
like the sorry this is I keepstealing your points. I feel like I'm
doing that too much. You wantto talk about the smoking thing? Oh
yeah, So there's a couple ofthings that I want to mention about.
(26:40):
I just really like this part ofthis season for this version of Zori.
So like we've we've had Sorry twopoint zero since episode two or three of
the season, Like she's been herefor a while. Yeah, but she's
not like really assimilated into the teamfully until Barehead gets Bloom. And so
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one of the things that I likeas like a running gag throughout the episode
as much as it is, isthat she keeps yelling at John for smoking,
like they're they're doing the thing onceagain, where like he puts a
cigarette in his mouth, but henever gets to smoke it, which they
had done so many time we talkedabout, which, God bless him,
they're keeping it alive, you know, right, it's just because he he
(27:22):
had quit smoking after Astra Head Astraand the Keses had like turned the clock
pieces of his coin and hell andgave him lung cancer at like an accelerated
rate. Right, So he waslike, all right, I'm doing the
kind of pulled it Constantine the movieof like you're not sick anyone, Yeah,
right, like where he just allthat I hadn't watched that in a
while and I watched it, andabout the sucking of the cancer out of
(27:44):
his lungs. Yeah, but soyeah, so she keeps yelling at him
about smoking, just like stealing thecigarette out of his mouth or like it
gets taken by a zombie or likeI just thought that was interesting m HM
as like a thing where she givesa shit about that but also is not
afraid to yell at him. Andthen there's also like Zori in general like
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steps up so much in this episode, like she is taking charge. She
is going off on her own tofind things to help them get to where
they need to in London, Likeshe's just making suggestions we'll talk about the
next thing because she this is alsoher suggestion, all right, but like
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this is the post bearhoud arc forher. We talked about it in the
Zari Not Sorry episode, but it'slike this is her now dealing with the
thing that Sari one point I wasdealing with when we met her is losing
her brother, well her whole family, but her brother specifically, And now
we get to see what this versionof Zari does and there's no desperate like
there's no desperation in it, althoughthere probably is desperation behind it, but
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like she just gets she's serious,like she is she means fucking business,
and she's getting the shit done andI really appreciate it. So you go
in on sorry two point, Yes, and again I would be very curious
to know whether they knew early onwhen they were creating this version of the
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character, like and eventually we're goingto throw it towards Constantine's way, you
know, like like eventually we're goingto get them together, or if it
came out organically from just like writingthe character for a few episodes, it's
like, it's not like it's theirrelationship is crucial to the paw out of
the season, where it would haveto be one way or another. But
(29:40):
it's so interesting to me that itdoesn't feel like it's in the cards at
all. And then, like you'resaying, it is pulled out of nowhere,
and this is again kind of anepisode that really solidifies it obviously,
where she's she's the vulnerable one andhe has to kill her with an ancient
Egyptian curse which felt like the Mummy, which it felt so cool to me.
Blah blah blah, and she doesn'thave time for like the backstory,
(30:04):
just do it and get us outof here, and he has to she
has to expose his chest to worma little bit, and that's really hot,
and it's all just like not inan explicit way, but just in
a like there's a trust thing happeninghere. That is so like you could
cut it with a knife, andlike that is the best type of CW
(30:25):
romancy stuff to me. I lovethat you enjoy the really demure romantic thing
and he's gentlemanly about it, andit's all like if he's not making out
with that nun from the show,or does I want to see these two
together? Like that's where I'm at. Yeah, I mean, so this
relationship comes out of nowhere in thesense that like I would not have guessed
(30:49):
it up until the point where theystart leaning into it. Once they start
leaning into it, it just works. Like I said, it works so
well it makes me mad. That'swhat upset Waly. Shit. So I'm
I'm glad this works out because thisis a great relationship over the course of
the arc that it has, theseason that it has, but it also
(31:10):
works out, like the ending ofit works out, which we also discussed
in a previous episode of the podcastWe're going to It got me to listen
to the Buzzcocks a bit. Youknow, a lot of comes out of
this relationship. Yeah, I'm gladI got you to listen to at least
that song, which is their mostfamous and great song. Yeah, yeah,
I just I love this episode andthis is it's such a small amount
(31:30):
of the episode, but it issuch a big part of it. Yes,
it is the part that I rememberarguably the most from this episode besides
just like the end big fight sceneor whatever. Meanwhile, we're in the
ship log here Gary and Astra areGary and Gideon? What do you want?
(31:51):
I let's talk about them both atthe same time, because it's one
like sea plot that is a veryimportant seaplot of the episode. Yeah,
Gary on the wave Writer because wewe're gonna give a little setup of this
this storyline, right they mentioned itbeing the episode like, oh where's Gary.
Well, his rabbit has ibs.So the rabbit that he has because
(32:12):
previously he had a dog that wasa hell hound and not just any it
was son of Sam's dog happens.So now he has a bunny that is
not from Hell at least as faras we know, named Gary Junior two.
And while he is on the wavewriter, like the fates show up
(32:37):
with Astra, they take over,they take Gideon offline, and then things
happen and Gideon is a rabbit anda rabbit is Gideon. Yeah, we
get like Amy shows up for asecond and you think maybe he's connected to
the machine somehow, but it's reallynot her at all. It's his version
of her. I guess that arabbit because she hops it's also a rabbit.
(33:00):
Yeah, it's very cute. She'sdoing great work. She's doing the
work. Yeah, she's also notquite doing the ful Gideon voice that she'll
do later and she usually does.And it's just interesting in these moments to
see her on the show where I'mlike, oh, you don't totally feel
like Gideon to me. I knowthat's stupid to say, you know,
Yeah, I mean when she's therein reality, she tends to drop a
(33:22):
little bit of the affect of Gideon. Yes. Yeah, the same thing
happens in the Here we Go Againepisode. The seeriness of her goes away,
and I feel like, in seasonseven, maybe I'm crazy, she
finds a way to kind of bringthat in a little bit more. Yeah.
I think that season seven, becauseshe gets to do it so much,
she finds sort of the the balanceof it. Yeah. But yeah,
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so he's basically, like Gary istrying to fight against the fates on
his own, which more power tohim. Right, incredibly ill prepared.
Yeah, and he has like madethe rings disappear. He stole them first,
and he made them disappear. Andnow he is tied up and Astra
(34:05):
is going to torture him, andhe's like, hey, but maybe don't
do that. Yes, I likethat he is the type of person that
can so doubt in her that thereis that he's annoying and whatever, you
know, Gary, we hate Gary, but there is an innate goodness,
goodness, there's an innate goodness andcharmed to him that that even a girl
(34:29):
raised in hell can see and bea little bit won over by, a
little bit swayed by. And honestly, I doubt that he's even trying that
hard, right, Like it's it'smore the way that he She says,
you know, I don't want toget my mom back anymore, Like I've
given up on that because Lakeisa showedme that what I'd actually be signing up
(34:49):
for is losing her again. Becauseyeah, even if my mind comes back
to life, she's gonna die eventually, anyway, these people die. And
he's like, but did she showyou anything else? Like literally just the
question that Gary would ask and hernot realizing that like, yeah, that's
gonna happen, but like, didyou think it wasn't gonna happen? Like
did you bringing your mom back fromthe dad means that she will never ever
(35:10):
die that you were gonna die forI mean the way you live maybe,
but yeah perhaps, but but yeah, yeah, Like I just I like
that he's just he bests her andturns her back just by being himself and
asking that question and like pointing out, like weren't there any good memories?
Like can you tell me a storyrather than torturing me? That would be
(35:30):
great? Right, It's it's good. It seems simple, which means it's
really good writing. You know,like it's really impressive to me those little
moments that they can pull out ofthis this dumb sea story that shouldn't matter.
Gets her killed, but still hedoes get stabbed through the heart,
(35:51):
but you know it's okay. Sothat happens here a lot. So yeah,
there's a lot of blood on thisship. Yeah, speaking of it,
So we're gonna we're gonna put apin in the sarah Ava stuff as
we talk about the finale. I'mso curious as to when you're gonna unpin
this, but yes, we're gonnaunpinned Sarah Eva. I'm gonna I'm gonna
(36:12):
do enough for right now, Okay, because I think that ultimately the Sarah
I want, I want to talkabout the Sarah aven stuff, Sarah Ava
stuff when it gets to that whenwe're talking about this finale. So there's
this big time safe house pub situationthat very much is like we watched shan
of the Dead we're doing we watchedit this week that we broke this episode.
(36:37):
Yeah, this is what we're doing. So there they get there the
time courier is dead and Sarah islike it's dead, right, and it
was like, yeah, cool,well there's nothing we can do. So
we're just gonna sit at a tableand drink and talk while it charges.
Because also, as far as Ihope this isn't taking a pin out,
(36:59):
but as far as we know oras far as she's told anybody, her
powers are gone. Yeah, shecan't see anything, but we've gotten these
little clues throughout or she's given theselittle clues throughout to the team that like,
yeah, I still kind of gotit, Like I knew that'd be
dead right right, So rather thanyou know, worry too much because there's
not that much they can do untilthe time Carrier is back online. They
(37:21):
think they're safe. They're in thepub, they're sitting around a table and
they're talking and this is like there'sso much character work throughout the episode,
but this is where it gets likereally serious and they're really doing, like
they're putting in the effort for thecharacter work and asking everybody like, okay,
you get the loom, what doyou do? Yep? And it's
very it's just as easy as that. It's not as as hidden as other
(37:45):
writing choices, but it's so funthat they just took the time to get
them here and go through that withthis team that we it's very eclectic team
that we love and let them goaround and say all this stuff. I
think of this all the time asone of my favorite Legend scenes because I'm
like, there's so much at stake, and yet it feels so real that
(38:07):
they would sit down and have abeer and do this yeah, and just
have this conversation because like there's nothingelse they can do. We know that
this has to happen and we knowwhere it eventually has to get to,
but you know, we're gonna we'regonna sit and go around the table and
talk about what we would do witha lumin and it's like, right,
so you get like the really goodanswers, Right, so you get sorry
(38:29):
for is gonna bring your brother back? You get John pretending like he's gonna
throw a giant party, and Ilike Charlie's like, but would you though,
Yeah, it's like no, I'dstill want to do right by Astra,
Like that's great, Like that's anice character bit for him, and
that he's vulnerable enough with these peoplenow that just say that. Yeah,
it's okay. Yeah, you getSarah saying like I wouldn't change anything,
(38:52):
which is so like if you thinkabout season two where Sarah's spending the whole
season of The Spear of Destiny becauseshe wants to bring her sister back,
and then the lesson that she learnedat the end of the season is no
one should have that power. Ilove that, Like they do not call
back to that, but that's allI think when I hear that Paragon of
(39:14):
Destiny motherfuckers? Yeah right, yeah? Is this the fact that she learned
that several years ago she learned thatno one should have the power to change
destiny, and therefore I would notchange anything because my life is great.
I have a ship, I havea crew, and I have my girl,
and that's all I need. Andit's so it's so true, where
like I hope everyone listening, Ihope you have had those moments in life
(39:36):
where it's just like, everything's greatright now. It's not gonna last forever,
Like I live in that, likeit's not gonna last for like,
enjoy it now. But I'm like, if you're if you're catching me in
one of those moments, I'm like, yep, I will do this to
the day I die. You know, like this, this life right now
is great, and it's so sweetthat that this chaos is totally fine with
(39:58):
her as long as she's got thelove life by your side, you know
it. And then we get mixingthat he would go back to a life
I'd be a criminal again. Simplelife. Yep. The only other thing
that I wanted to note about thisstupidity is that all of this whole conversation
(40:23):
is so deep and wonderful and suchgreat character stuff. And it's also then
in the very next episode turned intothe most ridiculous things you can craziest thing
this show will ever pull off.In many ways, yes, like and
the fact that you don't necessarily realizeit while you're watching that episode, but
then Charlie is like, oh,no, I gave you everything that you
(40:44):
fucking said. Yeah, exactly,this is what you said. It's like,
but I didn't want to be inStar Trek, right. I am
a wonderful writer and you should acknowledgethat. Yeah, by the way,
what go listen to that because wetalked about some fun stuff. We had
a blast doing that one. Butthe last thing, obviously that we need
(41:07):
to talk about is the sarenav Withstuff, which we have saved to this
because I do this. This isa lot. There's so much that happens
in this like three scenes that theyhave, like where it starts out at
the very beginning where they're like,all right, we're gonna go, and
you know, Ava grabs her handsand Sarah like jumps back and you realize
(41:29):
she's had a vision and they allrealize she has a vision, but she
pretends that she didn't really have avision see anything. And then you have
throughout the episode you have moments wherethey're on the bus where Sarah's like,
hey, I want you to takepoint on this. You know, I
think you can do it. Ibelieve in you. I think I want
to be a footsal foot soldier becauseI don't have my visions anymore. Therefore
I would be better to do this, do this this way. Which when
(41:52):
was that ever something that was necessary? And just all these like little moments
of that and the whole time Eva, No, that's something that's going on.
That's something doesn't know what is goingon. And we get to the
scene where they're sitting around drinking andthey have all their conversations and then Sarah
gets up and walks away and goesto the bar and Aba follows her and
(42:12):
she tells her that like Sarah says, like the time carrier is not going
to charge in time, Like,yes, I did have a vision.
Obviously I'm gonna die. The zombiesare kind of come through the door and
I'm gonna die and it's gonna befine. And it's like no, yeah,
like why would you think that it'sgonna be fine. Jess McCallan's performance
(42:36):
both when she's when she finds outwhat Sarah has been doing and when she
eventually does get taken down. Justheartbreaking. Yep, kind of a no
holds barred performance on this dumb assshow. Like she's basically phenomenal. She's
basically crying from the moment Sarah tellsher until the moment she also dies.
(43:00):
Mm hmm. The scream for her, the like you know, all of
it is so good. I alsolove the immediate move of Ava, like
giving the courier to Charlie, who'slike, we trust her, but arguably
the least trustworthy of the group hereis just like it's just you. You
are the only shot here. I'vegot no ego here, fucking go right,
(43:22):
Yeah exactly, It's it's this wholething. Really, Sarah jumping up
on the pool table and like makingher stand is so good. And then
like when she ultimately goes down becausewe knew that was coming because she disrected
all the zombies, and then Avadecides like, Okay, well, I
(43:42):
am not gonna do this is notfor me to do. This is for
me to facilitate, getting emotional,going ape shit with the shotgun for a
minute and then realizing yeah, likethis I it's somebody else, Yeah great,
it's charged here, you do it. I this we go down together,
and just the constant repetition of theco captains for life. Just ugh,
that's the part too. It's justI love it the whole, like
(44:09):
the whole I've been training my replacementtoday thing when I realized I was gonna
die and she's the love of mylife. Yeah. Sorry, Just I
have nothing, I have nothing ofsubstance to add to this besides just it
fucking works. And if you're notan Ava Lance fan after this episode,
what the fuck are you watching?It's just and like the thing is like
(44:32):
if it had just been Sarah,if everybody else had escaped and adjustment Sarah,
there I think would be more questionsof like, but do they fix
it? But because everybody goes down, you know they're gonna have to fix
it in the next episode. Hey, Like I'm not worried about season six
at this point. Yeah, Butit's also there's you also kind of have
to see it from like the writingof the Charlie character perspective of like watching
(44:54):
all of these people die and thenhaving to go and what the hell do
I do? Like we already establishedthat she can't use the loom by herself,
and I don't know, there's justso much about that big last scene,
which a must have been a bitchto shoot, oh horrible, and
choreograph and everything, and it's justso many great moments in it and such
(45:16):
great performances in it. And thenlike also this is leading us into our
our two part finale episode essentially,because the We're Trapped on TV is like
it is the penultimate episode, likeit is penultimate, and it's its existence
leads into Swan. It feeds sodirectly into the final into Swan Thong.
(45:37):
I just it's just so good.It's it's like this whole episode has been
great and weirdly felt long because ofthe amount of stuff that's crammed into it.
I kind of had the same thing, honestly, but it's not.
It's not. It's a really longepisode, but it's not like a long
episode, and it doesn't feel longbecause it's dull. It feels long because
there's so much in it, becauseeven for this show, they're playing a
(45:58):
lot of different notes here. Yeah, and it just there's a lot of
ridiculousness in it. There's a lotof serious stuff in it, and it
ends with such a gut punch,like we've spent this episode mostly making fun
of the fact that they're in vulnerableand fighting zombies, and then it ends
with everybody dying and it's just like, ah, yep, incredible stuff.
(46:19):
And then Charlie joins the sisters andmakes the great TV episode and that's the
end. That's the end, Tricia, would you like to play some games?
Let's play some games. What's yourlegendary moment. My legendary moment is
John and Zari escape zombies with deathand Damnation, not the one I thought
you'd go for. I thought onethat I would go for is the one
(46:42):
that you pick. Okay. Iwas like, we're allowed to double up.
I know, I know, butI like to give. I like
to spread it around as much aspossible. As much as I love what
you're about to say, I alsolove them, like the trust that they
show and doing it that way,steaks that are on the table for that,
and also it's just fun. Yep, couldn't agree more. It's really
great. But nothing's better than SarahLance on top of a pool table,
(47:06):
blind as shit, kick an asswith a pole cute. I agree?
Yep, yep. Gee. Who'syour MVL? My MVL is Gary didn't
see that coke. I'm gonna giveit to him, Okay, Gary,
Gary, Gary stands up to thetwo worst fates and does some fucking magic.
(47:27):
Okay, Annie talks asked you down, like the only reason that they
survived as long as they did wasbecause he did not give them the rings.
It's also such like sell that crapat the airport magic. You know,
too many Buffy and Angel references.I'm sorry, but it's so it's
so simple, you know, butit's best. Yeah, fuck them.
(47:51):
I guess I'm gonna say, John, because it's a really fun way to
save someone by killing them. Yes, and just's all for that scene.
But I'm just like, yeah,that's you know what, that's creative John.
Oh, you know, like,great job. Let's play some cards,
say the timeline. I only haveone scenario this week. When caught
(48:12):
in the British zombie apocalypse, rememberto keep calm and Blank alisair Carley's gonna
read it. Sarah had a visionof Blank, but she's not telling anyone,
and Gary hallucinated Blank as Blank again. Solution slash people a fully charged
time courier invoking rip Hunter's memory toexplain what's going on. I have Bunny,
(48:37):
Gideon, Gary's Rabbit's ibs and asimple obfuscation spell perfect Bingo. I
was surprised there's not too much becauseI guess we're doing like charactery stuff for
most of this and we didn't getSarah dies as one of the bingos.
Right, We've got some very cheapbut they did it steal ups here and
there, and when it's like truezombie time, we get some John Constantine
(49:00):
fire hands. Yes we do.Yeah, a few times we get Constant
fire hands, and that isn't forBingo. We've had a couple of episodes
where it's like fourteen hundred things forBingo. So yeah, it's fine to
be light on Bingo every once ina while. Did we want to put
Gideon malfunction in there at all?Is it a Gideon malfunction or is it
(49:23):
a ship broken? Well, theship technically is fine. It's just they
took Gideon enough one and also Gideon'sa bunny. Okay, sure, Gideon
malfunction, you bet I'm not goingto fight you. I did. Maybe
the rules of our Ingo were alittle light on the ground. They are
because we sometimes make it up aswe go vibes. We're running on vibes
(49:45):
here. Do you want to rollpurely at this point? Yes? Yes,
sorry, I'll roll for the episode. Do you have the episode list
up to I will in a moment. Yep Season four, Season four?
How many episodes in season four?Season four? Hells sixteen episode sixteen episodes?
Okadoky and no crossovers? Yeah,no crossovers. Four eleven. I
(50:09):
think we've done this. Four elevenis sensibility. Nope, it's I love
this one. Oh shit, Okay, listeners, peek behind the curtain.
We have to like, not recordfor a few weeks. I am so
excited to come back for this episodeas am I. Holy shit. Okay,
(50:34):
I'm gonna make my wife watch thiswith men good one? Oh man?
Okay, cool? What what atrip we'll have time. Not like
Cement in this episode, absolutely notlike Cement. Also, there's a musical
number. Well yeah, goodness,no, but oh wow, Okay,
(50:57):
I don't even I don't even wantto say anything because my wife's too close
to to talk about it. Butit's just such a such a lovely episode
of the show. Listeners know whatit is. And if you're listening and
you don't know, what the hellare you doing? You should watch that
episode. Yes, fully watched thatepisode before we cover it because it is
so fun and I think I shouldbe fresh in everyone's mind. Yeah right,
Also, you should watch it anyway, it's so fun. Also.
(51:20):
Yeah, also, as mentioned earlier, you should do it for one month
and check out Tricia and I onAlways hold on to Powerless on the Always
hold On to Smallville Patreon. Thismonth, we covered episode one oh four
of that show. It's such aweird show. It builds itself as DC's
(51:40):
first comedy and I'm like, it'slike second or third at that point,
but especially if you count Legends.But we had a good time, and
it was so thankful Tricia that youwere willing to give Powerless, you know,
twenty minutes of your life and thencome talk to us about it for
way long, single episode of mylife and then talk to you guys about
it for as that as long aswe did at least three times as much.
(52:01):
Yeah, that's the first time thatwe've done you me and Zach on
a podcast that wasn't this podcast,which is kind of fun to do.
Yeah, that's a good point anyway, So if you've liked the episodes where
Zach's come over and you like ourvibe at all, Chuck Zach three bucks
or whatever the lowest tier is andcheck that out for this month coming up
(52:22):
indeed, but until then, don'tcall us podcasters. We're legends. Always
hold on To DC's Legends of Tomorrowis produced by Zach Moore as part of
the Always hold on To podcast family. Listen to Zach's other great podcasts wherever
you're hearing this, and check outeven more podcast action on the Always hold
on to Smallville Patreon page. Youcan find more Legends goodness on social at
(52:43):
Legends of Always, and feel freeto send us an email at Legends of
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