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We're back talking about Charm Charmed.We're back. We're back Charmed. Shall
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we have a demon off? Let'shave a demon off? A warlocks to
another thing? Sure, General baddiesis totally fine. I'm gonna start us
off with a barbous Okay, I'mgonna say Jeremy Belthazar braxis Jericho. Yeah,
Jericho, isn't it? Then listenquick? Okay, no, no,
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no, we're gonna go again.We're gonna go again. Uh uh
uh huh. The Crone, theSource, the Seer, Oh, the
oracle. Mm hm that was mine. The ice cream man. Oh that's
a good one. Let's see whatelse? What else else? Oh?
Crap? The wind to go zengKu okay at the woogie fuck? That
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was my next one. All right, it's suck at this game anyway.
Welcome back, everybody, to notalways hold on to DC sledges to tomorrow.
What are we going with here?Well, last time it was what
Charm did the new podcasts of Hallowell. Yeah, I don't know. This
can just be always hold on toCharmed, I guess I. Yeah,
always hold on to the WB's Charmed. How about that? Yeah, always
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hold on to it just for thisone episode though. Yeah, yeah,
never again. But this is parttwo basically of Matt and Tricia have too
much Charmed in their brain. Still, Oh my god, I will always
have too much charm to my brain. You have a lot of charmed in
your life recently, you just toldme, Yes, I I don't know
why. Something spurred me to rewatchit. I did not get all the
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way through. I got bored partwith your season five, so I did
not continue. Season five is,of course where we believe it starts to
get bad. But yeah, Iwatched seasons one through four, which are
all still great, still slap soawesome, love them, but I did
stop part way few seasons. Yeah, okay, can't make it to Wyatt.
Oh wow, he wasn't even bornyet the day of the Magic time.
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Yeah, I don't think I evenmade it very far at all.
I don't even think I made itto like I made it to the third
episode, which is the fairy Taleone and then okay, so calls to
a lot anyway. So I knowall these things, but I have to
be I just like cards on thetable. Yes, this was a struggle
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for me. Oh really, Ilike a lot so I'm I'm sorry,
there is there is it is.It is instantly nostalgic, like seeing seeing
that set, hearing just like thegeneral vibe of the show is a nostalgia
thing. But there's just something aboutsome some of the production stuff, and
like the music is always terrible inmy mind. Like it's just like it
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was like I, oh, yeah, okay, this was this. I
have an affinity for the music partreally because yeah, so when I was
in the eighth grade, when Iwas like big and a Charmed, My
biggest Charmed year is like seventh,eighth and ninth grades, girl, same,
Okay, So it was like Ihad my sister found like an old
mixed that I'd made, and Ilooked at the track list because I had
made like cover art for it andstuff. I like the track list,
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and it was like eighty percent songsfrom Charmed. Oh that I'm not so
that I don't have a problem with, like like all the interstitial stuff or
whatever. It's the actual score thatjust makes me go, like is this
touched by an angel? Like thisjust fucking hurts to listen to. I
don't know, it was it wasin that era, you know, so
it was definitely like the era ofnot awesome TV, like when TV scores
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weren't like an art form, rightor right, but some were, you
know, I had X Viles andBuffet, like some people were pulling it
off. But this this show theyreleased kind of towards the end of My
Charmdom, but I was still init. They released an al of the
original music from this, and I'mlike, who the fuck wants there?
I didn't. I didn't have theone with the original music. I did
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have the soundtrack that had just likeneedle drops from the show, but it's
like season six, so it wasmostly like five and six stuff. Rose
mcgallan, yeah, Rose mcgawen doingfever and yeah, stuff like that.
And then yeah, I had mademy stupid mixtape with like the Janice Robinson
song and the Pretenders and a fewother I don't think was on there.
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Ah, you missed out. Inever liked that episode, Uh Meslin,
the Demon Meslin. I think itwas Maslin. But yeah, Maslin,
you are very close for not havingwatched it. Reason I see the pages
on the Book of Shadows so fuckingclearly. But I like, I do
like kind of miss that era oftelevision though, where like a show would
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have like they just established some kindof music venue at some point in like
the second season. Yeah, havingrandom musical guests. Like every show back
then, especially all the teen showsdid that back then. Yep, Small
Will showed great restraint. Although theydid do it at the Talon from time
to time, it just never becamea constant. And they did, of
course Remy zero at zero Remy zero. Yeah, pretty much every show that
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like it was like this, especiallyduring that era, had that because I
know, like you know, oneTree Hill established like the coffee shop or
whatever as the spot, and thenlike there's a whole there's like four different
subplots on that show. But anyway, we're here to talk about a different
show from that era, Charmed,if you haven't guessed, but specifically season
two, episode two, Morality Bites. Now. I picked this episode because
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I had, like, while Iwas rewatching the show, I remembered how
many times they time travel on theshow. It's a bunch of times,
at least in the first few seasons. Oh, I feel like it doesn't
slow down, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't. I mean, the
finale is nothing but time travel,but that's its own mess. I have
a better memory of the first fourseasons than I do like any season,
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especially like season six seven eight.Yeah, I have very little memory of
seven to eight, even though I'veseen it. I think I've seen seven
eight like once. Okay, butlike so I remember like that seventies episode
one of my favorite ones. LikeI think I've mentioned. I think I
mentioned in our previous Charmed episode everon your other podcast, that I my
mom found like all of these VHStapes she wanted me to go through,
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and like half of them were justepisodes of Charm that I'd recorded on the
VCR off TNT when I was Ilike learned how to program my VCR to
do that. I get it.We got a rewriteable DVD player because my
mom was like, you'll use this. I know you want this, I
know you want to keep watching theseshows. And I was never a kid,
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like I respected so much, andlike I remember a lot of like
Loewis and Clark guests were always talkingabout like I had them all on VHS.
I never had them all, butI was because that just felt excessive.
I don't know, it never occurredto me, but I did have
like three or four mixtapes basically amix CD of like here are my favorite
episodes. Yeah, and I'd makethe cover art of fucking course I would,
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and you know all of that.I had like three or four VHS
tapes that were my favorite episodes,Like I intentionally recorded certain ones, and
I would like make sure I knewwhich day, like this was like pre
yeah, yeah, but we're checkingthe TNT scheduling website and that like all
that, and like I knew whattime they were on, and I kind
of knew the order of the episodes, so like if I knew what episode
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was this day, I could figureout when this episode was coming up.
So I know. I had LoveHurts. I had that seventies episode.
I had All Hell Breaks Loose andboth charmed agains yep, and like a
handful of others, usually Love Hurts. Love Hurts was the one where Leo
gets shot by the Dark light Erthe first time. Oh, the first
Dark Lighter episode. That's when theyfind like, but that's when Piper finds
out he's a white lighter. Okay, you were worried that we didn't have
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a dossier for this episode. Thisis why I'm not worried. Yeah,
I'm not worried. Really, thisis not felt like. Yeah. So
anyway, So this is season two, episode two, Morality Bites. It
aired on October seventh, nineteen ninetynine, back in the nineties. And
let's see, it was written byit looks like Chris Evans Levinson and Jack
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zach Estrin and directed by John Barring. Okay, I believe you've directed a
lot of the early stuff. Okay, that makes sense to her. So,
yeah, this is like the secondtime travel episode, but this is
the time travel to the future becausePhoebe has a premonition that she's being burned
at the stake. Yes, anda baseball player on TV. Yes.
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And first of all, let mejust say I love the smell of burnt
witch in the morning, and clearlyyou did two. Oh clearly. It
starts with the premonition about the thebaseball player. But also the entire plot
revolves around dogshit. Yes, itdoes. It revolves around dogshit. It
begins in it wit literally yes,literally speaking, yes, which I mean,
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let's not bear the plot. Basically, I guess this is the first
time supposedly they've used their magic forpersonal game for revenge, for revenge,
Yes, that's the role very minimalrevenge, which they do talk about.
I appreciate that they basically answered allthe questions that I had over the course
of the episode, like, really, this is what starts it off?
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Well, maybe it's the little things, you know, right, We're right,
Yeah, that's the whole message oflike it's the Batman role where it's
like once I crossed that line.Yeah, but yes, it's it's it's
it started when just like I isletting a dog shit in front of their
house and they we don't see it, of course because that would be gross,
but they freeze him and they movethe dog shit to like under his
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shoe, and he looks back andglares at them as they're they're watching,
Yeah, and they and they hideaway really quickly, And I just love
that Eventually the show is positing thatthat guy is like weird poopy moment eventually
leads to him going rich and andlike exposing magic and burning Phoebe at the
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stake. It's a long run.It is a very we don't I never
really see his like like transition intolike the whole witchcraft thing. But yeah,
it's basically like it starts there andthen he creates like an environment in
the world where witches are. It'sbasically back to like Salem times. And
even though we never burned witches inthe United States, they're deporting them in
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these like really fancy burning chambers.I saw that they're like really like engineered
and not yeah, because it's likeit's like in Mexico, it's almost like
a gas chamber that they've just likedone this, like you know what,
let's put a grill in under thisthing. And this is truly not me
complaining pretty good Seachi fire for nineteenninety nine for nine, Yeah, it's
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pretty good. Yeah, nineteen ninetynine that is insanity. Nineteen nine Eon,
although I feel like even though it'sninety nine, they talk about going
to twenty ten. Oh did they? I don't remember. It's just it's
ten years, which would make ittwo thousand and nine, but I swear
to god, I've heard it astwenty ten. Anyway, it's basically two
thousand and nine ten where they sothey have to like they decide they have
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to go to the future, andthey think it's gonna be like in that
seventies episode where like they showed upand they could watch themselves interact, right,
because also they're like, what's goingon with this premonition. Let's go
up to the attic and check theBook of Shadows, and Leo has been
like, Leo has been messing withthe Book of Shadows, even though I
think we just learned that actually thespirit of their grandmother is the one that's
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usually messing with the Book of Shadows. Yeah, right, I have a
lot of books Shadows. Question.This episode really brings a lot of implications
to the Book of Shadows with it. Yeah, so we'll give the clearly.
In the previous episode is when theyfound out that Graham's is the one
who sometimes makes the book do theflippy page thing right, Happy Anniverse,
Ramy Darlings. Yes, Yes.And then but in this episode, Leo
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gets called by the elders and heliterally just orbs of the attic and then
flips to the book and then wormsout yesh with his hands, with his
shiny hands, with his light Yeahfingers, he's doing spirit fingers of the
book. But the girls come inlike he's gone, but they see that
the pages are going, and usuallywhen the pages is going are going,
it's like, oh, we shoulduse this thing and it's a spell to
take them to the future and wantto bring them back, and wanted to
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bring them back. Why wouldn't It'salways like a two rhyme little couple thing,
like why wouldn't you memorize the oneto bring them back? Right?
I don't. I don't know.They just they didn't they come they didn't
think of that. That is interestinghere you use them apparently, Yes,
we can only use these spells once. Sorry, what you just said was
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struck me where I'm like, oh, yeah, the show's mythology. It's
season two. It's early season two. That they're not totally up and running
yet, are they? No,No, like they're they're basically like we
know what we're doing, but we'renot really thinking ahead right and and they
just like haven't built in like theunderworld isn't a thing yet, you know,
like all the kind of uh greatermythology for lack of a better word,
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of the show beyond like even eventhat Leo is a white Lighter,
they're they're guardian angel such and stillresponding to the Elders. That's new too,
that like there there's like a bunchof god people watching. Yeah,
and they weren't the Elders yet,because in season one he tells Phoebe that
they're like, what is it theFounders? Oh shit? Really they changed
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the name the name later. Yeah, they changed like far enough later that
people who were watching it normally wouldnot remember the show. And it's god
damn continuity, ma'am. Yeah.Yeah. So it's like they finally spells
and like, all right, well, I guess we got to use them,
and they just do and they justyeah, they just co for it.
Now, is this the only episodewhere the time travel works like this?
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Because this show, like there's literallyan episode in season six where Enchanted
Go Go Boots bring Rose McAllan backto the sixties, like they always found
weird ways to do time travel,Like, is this the only time where
they're like, time travel actually meansyou go into the body of your younger,
older, whatever self as far asI remember, Yes, I think
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just because they wanted to have themreacting to the world more than they would
have if they're just watching, right, Like in that seventies episode, they
go back and they see their youngerselves and like interact with them and kidnap
them and they meet they meet,Yeah, they meet Patty kidnap, and
then in this one they inhabit theirthe bodies, and then in later ones,
like Phoebe goes back and inhabits herpast life, but that's different,
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I think. Oh, yes,it's like the spell is written intentionally to
put her back in her past life, right when they're all cousins and not
Yeah, when they're all cousins,they kill her and she has a curse.
It's gonna kill her, even thoughit's very vague in the actual plot.
And then there are a few otherones, but the rest of the
time travel is less like them timetraveling all together and more like, yeah,
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like one of using our son fromthe future came back whatever, like
Chris tried traveling back in time,which was retconned to be other things,
and then like, yeah, sothe time travel that exists like later on
is very different in my recollection.Yeah, and then there's like the one
where is it Paige and Phoebe reliveall of Piper and Leo's like biggest memories.
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Yes, not that darn cat,but it's all about the cat,
right Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,it's because it's like they they're in therapy
and they put a spell on themor whatever. Also the thing where was
his face? Whose Spock in theNew Star Trek movies is trying to kill
cat Zachary Quinto is a demon,so yeah, he's the He's a warlock.
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Wow, I have no memory ofthat. That's incredible. So yeah,
So there's a lot of other timetravel, but it's never the same
as like, it's never this.This is the only time I remember them
ever in having their own bodies exceptin that specific past life one and so
okay, so having having the vaguememories, but also just I haven't watched
the show in a while. Itdidn't really hit with me. But also
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there's just like the mythology of theshow is just cake into my DNA for
better or worse. So I rememberas a kid when they introduced in season
six the concept of the Cleaners,which is a bunch of white guys in
white suits that when magic gets toopublic or whatever, they step in and
freeze time and fix it or getrid of the witch that did it or
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whatever. It's like, why itmakes like dinosaurs show up or something.
Yeah, its sound, it's whyit related bullshit, But I'm like,
what, like, why where thefuck were they when this shit was happening,
you know. But I'm like,I think this is even more we
can say that this is the futurewhatever, but like it might even just
be the Elders fucking with them.Like the Elders like this is how we'll
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show them a lesson or whatever.Yeah, there's a pocket dimension where this
is what happened or whatever. Yeah, I mean they're literally like they give
Phoebe the vision and they like letLeo do the thing so that they learn
a lesson, like he says thatat the end of the episode. But
also like the Cleaner's episode was whereI broke in season six, where I
was like, this is terrible now, yeah, like what is going on?
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Yeah, I really I remember thefandom did not react well with that
episode, no, because again itwas just like where the fuck were you
guys all these other times that themagic almost got exposed or whatever. Yeah,
like where were you in all hellbraces? Where were you when Prue
died? Yeah, exactly. Sothis one is more like they have to
go. This is very much likethey have to learn a lesson. But
I think they also just kind ofwanted to have fun with time travel.
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Now, I maintain that near futuretime travel is harder to write than far
future time travel. Okay, Itotally get that it's easier to produce,
but it's harder to figure out.I venture to say they did a fine
job here. They did. Okay. There were a couple of things where
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I was like, that's hilarious becauseokay, so specifically the TV that's the
only like futury thing I feel.Yeah, well other than like the weird
fashion. Yes, yeah, strappyfashion but not aggressive, but some strappy
fashion. And they had like conceptcars drive by the manner in one of
the establishing like Piper has that weirdshirt that like has a like a strap
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thing. That's what I'm thinking,Yes, lightly strappy fashion. Yeah,
and then just wearing something from thenineteen nineties like that, Yeah, exactly,
there's different there. Yeah. Butthe TV was the thing that always
threw me off because like obviously whenI was watching it, it was still
several years from this, and Iwas like, oh cool, but it's
like a CRT television because we didn'thave plasma screens, and yet she can
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use voice control on the TV.I'm like, okay, so you're positing
voice control, which technically we dohave now, but we did not have
it twenty tens, not quite yet. Yes, yeah, and but we're
still using CRTs yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I get it.
I get it. I'm like,you know, they chose their moment
to take a swing there, andI'm like, this is within the realm
of possiblity. Yeah yeah, no, it's fine, Like it's this is
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being produced before we could pause television, you know, like they did no
idea, what the fuck is comer? No, No, I get that.
It's just always funny to me.Like that's why I think near future
is harder to write than far future, because like far future, you can
just like whatever the hell give flyingcars and hoverboards. Right, they were
positing it, you know, fiftyyears ago, right, so they had
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no idea what the future was reallygoing to be, so they can just
do flying cars and you know theygot some of those things, right Star
Trek too, you know, yeahyeah yeah. But like if you try
to do like ten fifteen years fromnow, you're like, things aren't really
going to change that much, butwe have to change certain things. But
also weird things are going to changethat you can't quite figure out. Like
if they had to like imagine ifthey had to like have a walkman in
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this you know future, and it'sjust like IOD the second generation of the
iPad. Yeah exactly. Yeah,they never would have like predicted smartphones.
Yeah right, well yeah yeah rightyeah. So yeah, it's just it's
always funny to see what they predictedwhat they don't. But what they actually
predict is the way the sister's powerswill change. So how do you feel
about all of that stuff? Okay, so stretching out okay a a again,
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I know it's a lesson from theelders or whatever, but it's like,
it's a bummer to see this isthis is my heart coming out.
It's a bummer to see that Pruecould have lived another ten years. Oh
yeah, you know it did that. Like that's interesting to see how her
power, how all their powers changesare really cool and I think within the
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realm of possibility. However, theynever really go back to this Phoebe shit
do they No, not at allTo spell it out for anyone that doesn't
remember, sorry I just stepped onit, but basically we see that like
Phoebe's like, how did I killa guy with my powers? That's the
whole you know the whole reason she'sin jail and expose magic. How do
I kill a guy with my powers? It's passive? Well not here,
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or it's not. She she likekind of electrocutes his bring by holding the
sides of his head and levitates upwhile doing it, so it's like,
all right, levitation she's gonna get. We never really develop her premonition stuff
beyond what it is. Yeah,the premonitions just stay premonitions. And then,
like her whole thing with her advice, Colum eventually becomes empathy powers and
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then they all go away when sheuses their power as your personal game,
right, and the levitation power disappearsbecause money, because we don't have the
budget anymore. Yeah yeah, andPiper just being able to freeze more stuff
longer. I feel like that happenedand din it as the as the plot
needed. Yeah, it was honestly, Like, the way they do it
in this episode is that she freezesfucking everything. Yeah yeah, the whole
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plaza or whatever. And she shouldbe able to just do her room,
but now she can do like anapartment building. Yeah yeah. But the
way they end up like getting hermaking her power like evolve is more that
she has more control over what shefreezes. Yes, and I like,
this is a dumb thing. Obviouslythey did not have this on their minds
at the time, but every timeshe froze something, I was like,
thank God she didn't blow it up. Jesus Christ. You know that kind
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of sucked. So there's that,and then there's also just their lives ten
years in the future. Pipers makessense, Prus is weird, and Phoebe's
in jails. Piper's single mom,divorcee with bad hair. I don't think
she has bad hair. I likeher. I thought it was pretty.
Oh no, oh no, Isthis the end of our podcasting relationship?
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Is this one episode of Charm?It's all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
choose the next episode of Charm thatwe do whenever we do that, and
it'll be okay, we'll be fine. I like my hair. I don't
think it's bad. It's alsoe hair. They're trying to make look updated one
hundred and he just has extensions.Everyone else just has extensions. Or like
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this this episode is a Schmorgesborg ofterrible wigs. Oh yes, yes.
In the Phoebe flashback, when shekills the guy, and most prominently on
Shannon Dooty as the platinum straight blondeOh my god, the like share level
hair like down yes what platinum blondesticks straight and again dressed like Posh Spice,
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dressed like very much like Posh Spicemeets Christina Aguilar at the VMA's yea,
yes, exactly old where like aleather like bandana as a top,
Yeah, exactly, that like pointedthing not showing mid drift, but like
you feel like it's there. Soshowing up in a limo like yeah,
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telling telling her people to stay yes, because like so Piper is just like
she still lives in the manor.She has a kid, single mom,
single mom, divorce, a divorcefrom Leo, and I'm like, we
kind of get here, so wekind of get here. But then Prue
is like she owns Buckland's Yes,the auction millionaire named after is it Raymond
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Buckland the actual a witch that actuallylike wrote this big spellbook that like is
like the go to spell book forfor modern witches. That's cool. I
only know Rex Buckland, thela thedemon owner of and that woman from Will
and Grace who is his like loveror lackey or she turns into a panther.
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She was like simultaneously his lover andhis sister. To me, it
was just very yes exactly, Iloved that that too, Like you knew
that show just got a twelve orthirteen episode pick up because like it ends
kind of with that art in episodethirteen and then they got the back now,
yeah, they they got picked upfor that, and then remember television,
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remember when television was Like I rememberwhen television was still written like television
and miss it, bring it back. Yeah. I don't need twenty two
episode seasons though I like them.I just want television to be written by
people who like television, to notbe a movie that we decided not to
do. If it's a movie that'snine hours long, I get bored by
episode three. We have all theselike weird jobs and weird fashion and weird
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hair and whatever. Nothing for Phoebethough, because she's nothing for fee She's
like she's in jail obviously and killa guy, but like she's like an
anarchist, ah sure, or justa just a just a friend that wanted
to seek revenge for another friend.I really don't know. He hurt a
friend of Phoebe's badly and in myhead that's result. It's not murder,
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it's it's worse stuff, the stuff. So she murders the guy, and
honestly, I don't have I personallyhave a problem, but also like,
don't get caught witch. Yeah,seriously, she just murders a guy,
like in a parking lot, likeseemingly coming out of the stadium. I
didn't know what to think of this. I knew he would be there.
She's not a good criminal, she'sa passionate one, and so like because
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of her, like we find outthat like all of these other witches are
like underground and like hiding and stuff. It's the crucible, right, Like
all of a sudden, it's likeLeo shows them like this underground, all
the witches are hiding. It's likethese are all witches. No, some
of them are just accused of it, right, Yeah, it's like people
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who've been like named or people.Yeah, basically it's just the witch Trials
all over again, only with fancyor digs, I guess, And like
the guy, I don't know whothe guy is, like the what's his
face? The yeah, what whatis his job? I have no idea
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seemingly he's some sort of politician orwhatever. I don't know. He reminded
me of like an evil Paul Lynde. Yeah, yeah, there's that quality
to this guy. I don't knowthat he is not a great actor,
but it also did make me thinklike should have brought him back for season
seven, you know, yeah,I mean honestly, yeah, any kind
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of callbacks that you can do,I think are always fun, especially like
this again this show. Yeah,so it's it's interesting, Like I like
this episode. You don't like thisepisode? You thought I was boring?
I hm, I have, Ihave, I have just I have so
much nostalgia for it, and Ican I can talk to you all day
about it. I have just fallenout out of love with watching it.
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And I say that with with someand sadness in my heart. And I
was truly like, I'm in abig Lois and Clark kick right now,
and objectively, the production values hereare way higher than lower Lowis and Clark,
you know, like I don't knowwhere that line is on ABC,
like they're on an actual network versusWB But he was like, you can
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have our pocket change, yes,exactly, like you can have this show
but don't spend any on it.The rest of the money that's left at
the end of the week can goto Sunday Night, you know, and
that yeah exactly. I yeah,I don't know what it is. And
this this show is a great lovefor me as a kid, but I
don't like Please this is not withany judgment. I'm so glad you still
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like the show and are enjoying it. Like when we had our second wedding
last this year, a friend ofcats came out and stayed with us and
we realized that we had charmed andcommon and we did like I hate watch
Marathon and that was really fun.But it was just like, I don't
connect with that anymore, is thenice? Is the quickest way to say
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it. Honestly, that's totally fair. I don't connect with it the same
way that I did, but Iwas like fourteen by any means, like
there are hard to get back.Yeah. Absolutely. There are a couple
of shows that I still connect withreally well, especially from that era.
So for me, that's like Farscape, which is on sci fi sargutash you
won that stuff from high school,like that I still connect with really well.
But that was sort of the stuffthat I was watching, like Charmed
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for me is like my introduction toTV as a really good storytelling medium.
Sure, but not when I startedgetting really interested on how it worked.
Yeah, okay, So like afterthat though, so the shows I was
watching after, which are things likefar Escape and Sargudish You One and other
things from that same like timeframe,that's when I got really interested to like
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how people make TV and like,yay, yeah, the production story craft,
that the decisions they're making to makethe show. And I wasn't thinking
of the same like Charm the sameway. So Charmed is like a childhood
and stifle for me. Yeah,in a way that other stuff from just
like a couple of years later isn't. That's interesting. Charms is like literally
on the edge of it for me. It's like that's when I started looking
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into how this is made and theeffects people and the budgets and all that
stuff. Like like learning kind ofthe behind the scenes of Charmed really was
probably my kind of first steps intothat, yeah stuff, which is now
how I watch everything, and Ilove that. Yeah. I mean when
we talked about it, you weresaying, how like Charms when you first
started getting into like making props andstuff that too. Yeah, like the
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art angle of Charmed And like againI'm saying, I hope I'm not shitting
on the show, Like I'm sittinghere saying I'm more detached from it,
but like I'm still in like threereplica Book of Shadows groups on Facebook because
I just fucking love seeing it,Like all the work these people are doing
to make these perfect replicas of thisthing. Like there's still that draw to
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it in me too. Absolutely thatthat, to me is sort of the
draw with something like Firstcape, somethingI came to right after this, because
Charum was how I first sort ofgot introduced to online fandom. Yeah,
the first time I joined message boardswas for Charmed and like interacted with the
fans and like really like got intostuff and got mad at the producers and
the writers and stuff that got like, you know, really into it as
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a fan and was like really shippingstuff. And like even though I'd done
that before, I didn't have aword for I didn't have a language for
that, and I didn't have acommunity yep. And Charm for me was
the first time I had a communityand it only lasted a couple of years,
because like you know, it hadeight seasons. I probably got into
that community like in season six,okay, because we both we both like
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started watching in like season five,basically one hundredth episode I think was the
first one that I saw. Ohokay, yeah, yeah, so I
was like, I don't know what'shappening. I know who some of these
people are. He seems cool upnever mind every mind he did for real
this time, and so like thatwas sort of my introduction and sort of
getting my feet wet in that way, and then it sort of opened the
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door for the next thing I gotinto to be the real thing. Yeah.
So that's very much where term sitsfor me as like subject matter.
So it's very nostalgic. It's somethingthat I'll return to every once in a
while, but I find like asthe years go on, I returned to
it much less frequently. Yeah,okay, And I did realize obviously on
this previous watch that like I ammuch less interested. I fall off when
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the storytelling starts to get lax inseason five. Yeah, yeah, it's
interesting, like I had the similarthing. I can't say I had a
community for it, but it isdefinitely this and Smallville kind of hit at
the same time for me, thoughthis was a few seasons in like we've
talked about, like I kind offound them around the same time, and
they were the ones that got meonline and thinking. And I remember like
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like Charmed was the first show whereI was like between seasons reading thoughts that
fans had and what the producers weresaying and going like, oh, maybe
they'll go this way, you know, like just having a sense of like
this is currently happening. Someone inLos Angeles is sitting in a room deciding
this is what's gonna happen to theHollaboll Sisters next year, and that's really
cool. Yeah, I mean it'sit's very similar for me in the sense
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that like I was figuring out whatother people thought of the show at the
same time I was finding other peoplewho like validated my feelings about the writing
in season six and like yeahah thingslike that, Like and like I learned
about like the old kind of RPGstuff that you could do on message wards
where like everybody took turns and likeyou had character. I did that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Iwas, you know, a young
teenager and like sort of figuring outwhat online community was. But then like
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from that, like the next thingI got into was the thing that I
started like dissecting the show. Istarted really talking about character arcs and like
sort of doing what we do hereon this podcast on normal days. Yeah,
you know that that was my firstlike taste of what that was like.
So I needed something that sort oflike got me into that world and
made me not worry about posting,not worried about being too young, because
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like you know, I was fifteenwhen I had a car Eskate messageward for
the first time, and like wastrying to have these adult conversations with people
who were a lot older than me, and like you know sort of like
figuring out the language of the Internetand how to interact with people. And
you know that that's something that theshow is always going to be for me.
But yeah, I agree that,like as you get older, as
it gets further away, you know, you have different tastes, different feelings.
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You've seen other things that are bettertechnically, and you know, you
it's very much like it's kind oflike you know, when you're you probably
have this experience like either writing ordoing like art things, but like that
first stuff that you do when you'refirst learning how to do it. You
look back at it and you're like, oh god, that's terrible, but
you can't list it. Yeah inmy life, Yeah, yep. Absolutely.
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It's the same way I feel aboutpodcasting too, where it's just like
some people still find Lovis and Clarkand started in season one, and I'm
like, I will never listen toseason one nor most of season two ever.
Fucking again, you know, juststart with my episode and keep going.
Yeah, exactly. Last thing I'llsay this was to that this is
the first time really as a kidthat I'm like, oh, I'm online.
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Oh, everyone's online. Oh Icould have access to some of these
people, and like I would reachout to like the makeup artist, and
literally like two weeks after they wrapped, I got the number for the prop
department at Charm and I called andI got the answering machine, and I'm
like fuck, you know, Butlike that was like a formative experience of
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like, Okay, this was thiswas approachable, this was a f if
I was like two weeks earlier,I could have been here. That's good
to know. And now I'm theidiot prop nerd that that path is obviously
exploded for me. Yeah, forme, it was like figuring out that
like audio commentaries were a thing thatexisted, or like, yeah, that
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was the first time I'd ever realizedthat people would make fan videos. And
this is before we were like videoediting fan videos. It was like flash
animation stuff with just like photos.Yea, yeah it was bad, but
it was an early like indication ofwhat that could be. And then eventually
like starting to learn how Like Ilearned how to edit video because fandom,
and I learned how to write partiallybecause of Phantom, and like writing fan
fiction helped me learn how the plotthings, and like, yeah, it
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was the first time I got feedbackfrom strangers on things that I'd written,
and like that was all that's alwaysbecause of Phantom, and it's in part
because of Charms. So yeah,it's always the thing that totally think about.
I'm not going to rehash this withit, but like I agree completely
and this was very much a gatewayto all of these kind of creative things
that that I've done and and forthat I will always have have love for
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it. Was this episode a littlebit tough to watch, Yes, did
I like some of it. Absolutely. I think with this episode is like
it was one of my favorite episodeswhen I was a kid watching it,
so I think it remains that waybecause of that. So like I could
name all the episodes that I loved, you know, P three h two,
oh and oh god, yeah,yeah. Can we talk about Leo
here? Talking about Leo. There'sthere's like Leo Prime, there's like Maintimeline
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Leo, which is just Leo andand he and Piper are together and he's
like, you know the Elders,little Aaron boy flipping the pages of the
Book of Shadows and at the endlike didn't actually do that, but knows
something happened. And it's a littlebit like, well, I'm glad you
guys learned your lesson. That wouldn'thave brought you back if you didn't.
Right. The Leo in the futureis so tough for me. He is
so determined not to believe them whenthey're like we're from the past, what
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the fuck is happening? That it'sannoying, But my baby heart loves anytime
it's like, well remember this andlike kissing him. Yes, that's very
cute. The way the way Pipermakes him realize that they're from the past.
Is she kisses him with passion andlove in her heart, I guess
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is the point, right, Yeah, and then he's like, oh my
god, you have kissed me sinceten years ago. I know this morning.
I know, yeah, I rememberthat. Very funny and also like
he Brian kraus Is is the actorthat he is not so good at,
like the world weary version of this. I think he could do it now,
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but not probably. Have you listenedto their podcast? I have not,
and don't. I don't either.Brian Krause, Leo, Holly,
Marie Combs, and uh Drew Fullerwho plays there child later on yes Uh
to the House of Halliwell podcast,which I follow just because I see the
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videos every once in a while,And a lot of the videos are Holly
calling Shannon on the phone and beinglike and Shannon being like one episode and
they're like this episode, like,oh I hated that episode, what you
know, Like it seems funny,but like I kind of have no time
for it. But it's interesting tome that they're they're like fast friends still.
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Oh yeah, definitely, I likethat they're friends. I also,
I was always obsessed with the weirddating culture on the set, yeah,
grip, but yes, Brian datedAlyssa around this time, around the time.
Yeah, and Shannon dated Julian McMahon. Julian McMahon on season three,
like during season three, which Ithink is why they end up being like,
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like so the first episode that wasthe first episode she directs, but
like she directs with the good,the bad, and the cursed, and
they end up having the intense momentsand I'm just like, is this because
you were dating at the time.Yes, I think so. And there's
a lot of behind the scenes photosof that. I can't believe we're talking
about this. A lot of besignsthe scenes photos of that, because it
was like the first time she's directingand he's like right over her shoulders.
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Yeah, okay, yeah, weget it. Gang. Yeah. I
just remember like paparazzi photos from that. That's the other thing. Like I
remember like the first time I'm lookingat paparazzi photos like at a pool somewhere
in Beverly Hills of Jennon Dolherty likestraddling them. Julie McMahon, speaking of
Remy Zero, was it the leadsinger of Remy Zero was married to Alis
Molana for like a year in thenineties. Shit really, yeah, I
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don't remember. I'm sure there's apart of my brain that knows that,
but holy shit, it just itjust popped into my head because I was
like, Wow, it was oneof those things where that that was the
only reason that I knew his namefor like the longest time. Yes,
because he was mister Alissa Malana.Yeah, it's literally like the ball guy
for Okay, very interesting. That'show I knew Remy Zero. And then
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I watched Smallville years later and Iwas like, oh, hey, little
did you know how formative this wouldall be. Let's can we talk We
just talked about a little bit.Can we have a Book of Shadows minute
here? Yes, let's do it, because I know this is this is
a great episode for the Book ofShadows. It's a ton of new spells
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too. In this page you're allbrown. They're all brown. Even the
bun Yip page is from this episode. Like they make a point when they
go to the future of like,well, those spells that we saw earlier
are gone, but now there's allthis new ship and they are new,
fancy pages from the future, andmy whole thing is like, Okay,
we've seen the girls write in theBook of Shadows. We I've seen Graham's
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or Patty, like you know,our ancestors write in the booker Shadows,
and it's always like just like prettyscript and whatever, Like who the fuck
makes these pages so artsy? Right? And for me, I'm I'm like,
is it Leo? Is it whenthe elders add it? Or does
the book over time turn your shittyhandwriting into like some beautiful, you know,
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calligraphy thing. When they do thewoogie spell at one point in season
one, like it's just her handwriting, like just writing on the page,
like it's a notebook. You nevergo back to that spell and like see
it all fancy, but you doget the power of three spell, literally
just the power of three will setus free, all like fancy. I
know, yes, you're right,and I'm like, but what, like
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who did that it was? Butwhy is that? There? There are
some early season one pages that theartists did later in like season seven or
eight or whatever where it's like,oh shit, did it changed? Why
the Demon of Fear page changes whichwould originally was handwritten, And it's like,
what the fuck does that mean,yeah, yeah, there is a
few of those because like it's alsoI think the praxis one. It's like
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the fight him at the power ofone. Yes, yeah, that's all
like Grahams's handwriting. So it's likeokay, sometimes it's handwritten. Sometimes it's
like beautiful calligraphy. So like issomeone just sticking a little note cards in
the Book of Shadows with like spellswe got to add and then just like
taking the day off like do allthe art. Yes, basically it was
one artist for like season like twothrough seven. He leaves later on,
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but like everyone loved him. Hewould do all of the pages in the
actual original book were hand drawn,and he did a mural in Alyssa's house
like like because he she loved theart in the book so much. Blah
blah blah blah blah. But Ijust like there's part of me that that
will still be like what does thismean? Does the book change it?
You know? Like other times it'slike these are also and they add them
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in like in the middle of thebook, yes, which I don't know.
And I remember also making my ownBook of Shadows replicaus all the time,
because you're right, it always seemsthat whatever page they needed in whatever
episode was always like right in themiddle of the book, and its like,
well, this is impossible to trackand b as a kid, I
was always like, do I putin the pages from the future that it
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got erased because they do not reallycanon anymore? But what does it?
You know? Like this is thetype of shit that breaks a little prop
maker's brain. The only pages thatyou knew were right next to each other
was the Belfazar page and the Baneand the Bandsheep page. Yeah, but
also the page opposite the Belthazar.Sometimes it was the Vanquishing potion. Sometimes
it was Phoebe writing in shit aboutPole and there pictures sometimes sometimes not Trisha,
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sometimes not, because it was justlike adding pictures like paper clips and
writing about like belf Azar's human formand like yeah, he likes like wine
and walks in the beach and whatever. Anyway, thank you, Yes,
because this whole show was the Bookof Shadows for me. Sometimes thought it
was funny in this episode that allof those spells are kind of like evil
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spells, like the Personal game spellsare darker brown. Yes, they are
a little bit, and it's allclearly the same artist. Yeah, And
I also this is the first timewe see like, you know, Piper
and Prue are looking through the bookand they've they've dog eared pages and they've
marked pages, and they've got littlelike pouches in it, which is clearly
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like potions or you know, somesort of herbs and stuff that they're going
to use for the spell. AndI'm like, oh, that's cool,
like the idea that they would likepreduce shit of like when you're ready to
use the spells, here's all theherbs and crap you need for it.
Yeah. Yeah, Like there's alsolike the binding spell take away Melnda's powers,
and well that's a whole other thing. Let's talk about binding powers,
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okay, because there's part of methat's like the girls always kind of talk
about it like it was this wrongthat happened to them because because their grandmother
found their powers not too long before, no, when they were kids,
on their powers right after Phoebe isborn, right after Phoebe's born, because
she also knew at that point they'rethe charmed ones. Yeah, but she
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also did it in part because ofthe warlock Nicholas, who was gonna come
back and like he'll everyone to gettheir powers right, so they didn't have
their powers, he couldn't steal them, so I would like buy them time
until they're adults. I remember hispage as well, thank you Die Spell.
Yes, the Nicholas mus dies anyway. But but there's also the part
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of me that's like, you girlswould not know what you're fighting, like
would not have had real lives ifshe hadn't done this, Like I think
this is I don't know that there'sa charitable read to binding one's powers,
but like Piper going through it herethat like she never wants to bind your
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kids' powers, like it is toughwhen she's presumably gonna let the kid remember
that she had them, or thatshe that her mother's a witch or whatever.
I don't know. Yeah, itwas basically like Also, I think
they were planning on like running awaybecause like once they broke phoebe out,
what could they really do? Whatcould they do? Yes with Leo Leo,
because she's like, you know,you'll take care of her and everything,
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blah blah blah, and like hehas a house, but I don't,
I don't know. I don't knowwhere I come down on binding,
like to bind for their protection Ido get as like a parenting thing,
but also like it left them kindof like unable, like they had to
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learn everything because the binding spell breakswhen you die. So it's right,
unless you're gonna strip their powers,they're always gonna get them back. And
I think that like it needs tobe up to the kids. So like
the example that I would give isthe fire Starter kid in season four,
Uh huh, who like all ofthe body Hunters and everything. Yeah,
great episode, and all the BoundingHunters and everything are after him, and
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so he decides bind my powers.And then if I like Piper says,
like, if you decide when you'reolder you want them back, just come
back and give them back. Yougive us a call. Yeah, we're
probably still going to be in thishouse, let's be honest. I found
that out from the future. Sothat I like, like, I like
the idea of giving them a choice. Sure, but she's not giving Melinda
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a choice. I don't know,I don't know how I feel about it.
Yeah, it's also a weird uhwhich Hunty you know time that it's
like, well, I kind ofget it here. I get it as
a protection thing because she's a kid. She's going to use her powers by
mistake. Yeah, yeah, andI do, like I do get the
idea of Graham's doing it realizing likeyeh, yes, there's the Nicholas thing.
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But even just taking it out ofthat little plot bit, it's like
they're the charmed ones. They're themost powerful things that have ever happened.
Like they need to be there asoul guardian, you know, pretty cool,
right, right, the safest thingfor them when they're growing up and
young and vulnerable. Like for themost part, the magical community took a
back seat when it's like, well, they're not power, they're not them.
It's fine. Yeah. Anyway,yeah, dumb, dumb. I
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love this dumb conversation that we're havinghaving her great Ethics of Parenthood. Yes,
so basically they go to they usetheir like all their evil spells to
like make a door and create moneyor whatever, and they break it.
Yeah, they break into the prison. They had a map of the prison
already in the Book of Shadows.Also handy and like Piper phrases everything right
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before she's about to get lit onfire. And they have ale conversation and
like for some reason, when Leogives her the premonition of what she did,
and we find out that she's likeelectrocuted his brain. She's like,
yeah, okay, I should die. Yeah, that I don't think is
as well plots. I don't thinkso either. It's it's it's the tough
(47:45):
thing. I mean, like it'sher learning or lesson, I guess,
but it is it's a rather quickwalk to her doing that. And I
think most of that is because likeshe's in prison, there's not many people
we can ever talk to. Yeah, basically, yeah, it's she doesn't
she only talks to Pratt and shetalks to Leo. What do you think
she's coming to help her? Right? And that's it until the Sisters,
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until this execution seemed Yeah. Ido wish though that we got more,
like maybe something that would have helpedher is like this is what it's meant
for the magical community. The factthat everything's exposed now like this is not
good, Like does she know thatthere are witches and non witches now that
have lost their lives and they're inhiding and that type of thing. I
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mean, I guess because like Leo'swhole thing was like she has to die
because it'll end with her, it'slike, no, it won't, no,
it won't yeh. Famously, famouslythe Salem witch trials were just that
one witch and that was it,you know, just killed one person and
then they were done. They didn'tkill and then they totally got out of
their system. Yeah, but itdoes, like give us this lesson.
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So like Phoebe's big lesson was somethingthat I still my brain still like says
randomly, is wrong thing done forthe right reason? Still the wrong thing?
So the wrong thing. Sure,for some reason, that line plays
in my brain every once in awhile, and I don't know why.
There's no reason. What are youdoing, Tricia that triggers this line?
Nothing that I know of. Shelooks guilty. Listeners, hmm, I'll
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text you the next time it happens. Let you know what, Ian Okay,
it's like a word with your whitelighter. Please. It's basically like
she learns from this premonision that they'resupposed to protect the innocent and not punish
the guilty. And like that's thebig lesson because we got to wrap it
up. It's like five minutes tothe end, We're almost done. Yeah,
So she goes Dawson's is on infour seconds, she goes back in
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the thing, the pyre thing,and they unfreeze everybody, and no one's
wondering what the other two were doingin there, and she that's my issue
too, and she gets lit onfire and they're all crying and she's screaming,
and then poof, they're back init's that morning and that again,
and it's the same thing. Yeah. I do like that scene before we
get there, because like your pointthere is crazy where like they froze time
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and then the girls came in,so like when things unfreeze, everyone should
be like what the fuck are youpeople doing here? Right exactly, But
it's also like earlier on the establishedlike yeah, your sister's a witch,
Thank god you guys aren't. AndI'm like, how the fuck did these
two get cleared? Right? Likewhat did they do to clear them?
Yeah? Exactly, Like did theybind their own? Like what's the test
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too? You know? Like Iknow, yeah again, I want I
have more questions about what a worldwith exposed magic and which is in you
know, the Charmed universe meets here? Yeah, very much so. And
honestly, if they were going todo another series, which they did in
twenty sixteen and it was not verygood. Not very good. I wish
they had done more of like afuture thing where like, let's have to
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deal with magic being exposed, likethat's the that'd be fun. And then
like that show too, the factthat it ends at hallowell Manor is always
like, oh, what a beautifulway to just launch a thousand fixed for
the rest of its great and whenthey gave a shit about that show and
original can can Yeah, we lovedthat ending. But anyway, so we
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went to be on fire and thenwe're back dealing with dog shit. Yeah,
back back to before evil Paul Lynde. It turns out he's the guy
with the dog shit and that's howthey learn and everybody's feeling better. And
it ends with smoochies from Piper Leo, which which is a fine way to
end in any episode of Charm.But I'm like, this episode has had
very little to do with them thematically, but it was. It felt like
(51:30):
a weird act out to me forthe show it is, But as a
giant Piper leoshipper, I never mindit. Yep, Okay, I loved
them too, I really did.So I gave a TV ship for a
long time. Okay, And hereended one specific version of time travel with
the halliw Els the future, andplease don't. I just wanted to be
(51:54):
honest about where I was coming from. This is very fun and I look
forward to more episode of Charmed itwith you and another episode. Yes,
hey, Tricia, should we playsome games? Let's do some games?
Okay. So famously, when wefirst did this, we found an infuriating
(52:15):
trivia an infuriating quiz online. I'vegot two for you. I'm gonna start
with BuzzFeed's own. I made aquiz about Charmed, the greatest show of
all time, and you should takeit? Sound good? Okay. I
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saw this first question and I'm like, all right, this might work.
So I don't. I don't knowbeyond this, but let's jump in.
What is the name of the firstplace Piper worked? Quick? Uh?
See? Correct? Thank you?That was an issue last time too.
I want to fucking trivia quiz thatshows me whether I'm right or wrong right
away? Which sister has the powersof telekinesis and astral projection? I forgot?
(53:01):
She got too? And yeah,Prudence Hall Hell, how did Prude
die? Car accident? Demon killedher? She drowned. An accident with
the potion demon killed her, butshe got thrown through a wall. That's
how she Yeah, yeah, it'sreally more the wall and the fact that
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the White Lighter saved her sister first. Probably, yeah, the wall was
the bigger factor. Yes, actuallyI remember that. There was a novelization
for charm to get read it.Okay, all right, we're both there.
That's the one that details like hecame back and he saved Viper first.
Well, she was probably the episode. You saved me because I'm your
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damn wife, and you should havesaved her because she was the best.
Oh wow, damn it. Holly'sreally good in those episodes. What's the
name of their cat? Though trition, their cat is named kit Kit Cat.
To be clear, I'm clicking itlike I know. These two order
the sisters from youngest to oldest,from youngest to oldest page youngest oldest page
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Phoebe. Who, well, I'mgonna rephrase this, who is the demon
of Fear? The question was whois Barbis. I'm like, come on,
come on, you're missing wonderful gifts. Who is Dan Dan? Neighbor
Dan neighbor Dan their neighbors throw awayboyfriend in season one, he was professional
(54:28):
baseball player for the Mariners. JesusChrist, was he Yeah? No,
he didn't have anything besides the niece, a living niece they got rid of
because they realized they had nothing forher to do except for like take their
tampons in the Dishwala episode. Inthe episode how many times was Phoebe married?
How much is Phoebe married? Yeah? Once, twice, three times?
(54:52):
Okay, so Cole and Coop,Coop, I think she gets married
to it was his name, Jax, the guy from Sex and the City
for a second two. There's there'san image in my mind of the two
of them crossing the threshold of HallelaManner and her in a wedding dress and
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him carrying her. I know thathappens in season eight, but I don't
know if they actually I don't havea very good memory of season eight.
So I will trust you. I'mgonna take a stab of the dark and
say three times I am correct.Paul Dex that's a stupid fucking name.
And then, of course the Angelof Destiny marys Her and Coop at the
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Normal Stuff who took over for Phoebeduring her Hiatus from the Bay Mirror.
I'm gonna read these out for you. I know, Nickolas Jay. The
other options are bow Wow, AdrianGreneer, and Lance Bass. Oh.
I would love for it have bowWow. But he would have been like
seventeen any one of them. Wasn'the on Smallville? Am I making that
up? I don't remember? Hewas on? Like this isn't too far
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off the main character on CSI CyberThere you go? Oh this the pictures
are fabulous. Who is not amember of the family. Patty Penny,
Billy Wyat, Chris Henry Patty Penny, Billy Why Chris Henry Billy? Yes,
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because Billy is faus like movie.But and then Henry is Page's no,
no, no, sorry, BillyKayley Cuco Billy. Oh that Billy
Okay, they're apprentice slash hopeful spinoffthat nobody gave a shit about. Yes,
Henry's what fucked me up because I'mlike, he's not a member?
Oh? They get married? Getmarried? Which of the following is not
true about Page? She was adopted, she's half white lighter, she's trained
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to be a police officer. Sheaccidentally dated her nephe you she wasn't trying
to be a police officer. Yes, she was in an episode. Really,
I think so she didn't accidentally dateyour next I remember he actually diating
her nephew, So let go withthat one. I don't remember the police
officer one either. Yep. Correct. That would be weird, is what
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it says? Where did the showtake place? San Francisco? One of
the answers, by the way,is a fake town from TV twelve out
of twelve. Congratulations, look atus. All right, one more.
This one is a little more specific. Okay, well you me a little
bit on that one. I didnot remember some of that sate stuff.
Oh yeah, the marriage thing.Yeah, I just I remember that promo.
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I have like the vision of it. Yeah yeah, more than anything.
Okay, So welcome to the Spellsare Us trivia. Oh okay,
I think this is I think thisis either We're going to fill in the
spells or I'm going to redo thespells and then we have to guess which
episode. Okay, all right,that is exactly what this first one is.
What's mine is yours? What's yoursis mine? Let her powers cross
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the lines. I offer up thisgift to share shit literally one of my
favorite episodes. All right, thisisn't going to tell us till the end?
Oh, this is okay? Whois the first witch to use this
spell? I know what the spellis. I am light, I am
one too strong to fight return todark for Shadowswell you cannot have this halliwell
right, yeah, great, therewe come. Oh the power of blank
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will set us for seventeen Yeah,sorry, that's not an option. Who
casts the spell? Is the question? Bring together my prince and me let
him fall and bended knee? Page? Yeah? How about the evil enchantress
and page? Oh? Okay,page? Yeh okay, Nope, wouldn't
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I don't know that I would havegotten that. Outside of time outside of
gain, no only sorrow, noonly pain? Who can? Oh?
Which episode is this cast? That'sseventies episode Power of two Love Hurts the
Witch's back time outside of game Sorrow? Is it the Matthew spell? Yeah?
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I think so? So is thatthe Witch's back? It must be.
Ye, it's the one where theymeet Melinda Warren, the first witch
in their line who prophesied the charmbooks. What was this spell used for
Trisia Frios from the ties that bindof evil, magic intertwined. We call
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upon the ones who the one whocures, he who's to the dark endured.
Sorry, I'll do that again,frios from the ties that bind of
magic, evil intertwined. We callupon the one, the one who cures
Who's to the dark inured. Itwas used to vanquish the mirror demon CALLI.
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It was used to summon the witchdoctor. That feels that's possible.
It was used to enter another world. It was used to travel back in
time witch doctor, the one whocures? Yay, but the worsch doctor
episode is from like season six nine, Season five sex call upon the one
who cures who Who's to the darkinured? Yeah that makes sense. Sorry,
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Kit is yelling at the storm behindme here, Lucky. What I
wouldn't give to live in a familiarlist home? In what episode was the
spell cast? And who casts it? I call forth from space and time.
Oh, I know this one.Matriarchs of the Hallowell line, mother's
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daughters, sisters, friends, ourfamily spirit without end, to gather now
in the sacred place and help bringthis child to grace. This was cast
by Graham's necromancing the stones when theyhave Wyatt's Wakening. Yes, I'm like,
it's a wickning. I love youso much. Winds of Time is
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what is this spell used? Sorry? Some of them just start with the
spell and the questions at the end. What is the spell used for?
And who cast it? Winds ofTime gather around, give me wings to
speed my way, rush me onmy journey forward. Let tomorrow be today.
Oh my god, I can't.I can't imagine this is this is
oh ship, Wait, I knowwhat it is? Its time in the
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Tempest episode. Okay, okay,I thought it was the past live spell
until the end of that's the tous all so black or whatever. Okay,
Oh, you're right. What didthis spell do to Phoebe? Powers
of the Witches? Rise, findthe hag who speaks the Laes, balanced
chakras, focused gi lead us throughthe cruel cruel? See what could that
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one do? I can't imagine allthat. It turned her into a mermaid.
The answer is it made her growa fin and tails. I'm like,
can we just hear her fins andtail? Can we just take like
a murmid who didn't cast the spell? A time for everything and everything in
its place? What? Wow?Return moved through time and Page, Prue,
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Graham's Patty. I guess you're right. Is this what brings them back
in that seventies episode, Yeah,but it's Grahams doesn't cast it either,
a time for everything and everything inits place return what was moved through times
as if there's a clue in thefucking rhyme. Yeah, no, that's
the one where like Patty has bothPiper and Prue put their hands on her
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tummy because Phoebe is still party withPhoebe, And yeah, I remember that
and say the spell. Phoebe technicallydoesn't say it, but her magic is
in it. And then Page isn'tthere, but Graham doesn't say it either.
But I'm going to say Paige becauseshe's the only one that wasn't physically
because she is so not in theroom. Yeah, all right, let's
I can't wait. How many moreof these? Oh my god, there's
so many, Oh my god,there's so many. Ill So there's twenty.
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I'll try to model too much ofthem. No, no, no,
it's both of us. It's twenty. We're halfway through. Okay,
we just did ten. When Pruecasts the spell in the episode the truth
is out there and it hurts.What was the other part of the spell
that she recited? Oh fuck?For those who want the truth revealed,
open hearts and secrets unsealed from nowuntil it's now again, after which the
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memory ends. Here's your options.Let the truth be known. Whenever I
answered the phone, those who noware in this house will hear the truth
from others mouths. You're absolutely right, yep, but points to the quiz
writer for writing out three lives here, what did this spell do? Okay?
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From whence they came? Returned themnow vanished? This the words vanish
their powers? Oh, it stripsthem of their powers? Right, their
powers? It basically gives them tothe It's stripped. It stripped the magic
of all three charmblones. She hasto say it three times to give them
to Buckland and that lady from thisis the fourth season episode where Piper thinks
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she's in a mental asylum. Ohwow, and gives it to the oracle.
Okay, use twice though, whythat might also be one? All
right, hold on, I'm gonnago back. It stripped the magic.
It stripped the source of his powersto stripped the magic of the oracle.
No, it's not okay, makingsure what did this spell do to prove?
And who cast it? Oh?The piercing cry. No, it's
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the it's the dog one, thepiercing cry that feeds on pain and leaves
more sorrow than it gains. Nowheard havoc that it breaks. Piper and
Phoebe cast it and it gives Pruepause. Okay, sure who was the
first witch to cast the spell?Here are these words? Hear my cry
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Spirit from the other side, crossa great divide shit Piper, Tuatha,
Beatrice, Warren p Balan does itat the opening part of Charm again,
that is this one, okay,because then she says it like frustratingly later
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and she's like, here are thesewords here my cry spirit? Right?
Or oh that is cute? Iremember that reading And that's early on,
like the first scene, and she'sup in the attic just doing as much
magic as she can to get preback. Ah shit, fill in the
two missing numbers to complete this spell. Holy shit. Okay, Spirits,
send the words from all across theland. Allow me to absorb them through
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the touch of either hand for twentyfour hours from blank from seven to seven.
Wow. Oh, you're absolutely right, because the last rhyme is heaven.
Yeah, who did that? That? That was Phoebe? She wrote
it. It was the hearing Thoughtsspell. I think, wow, here
thought spell Phoebe wasn't involved in.Yeah, it's all good. Who created
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the spell when she was the ageof nine? Reverse the spell from the
book and please restore what it tookPatty, Prue Graham's Phoebe. I have
no idea. Reverse the spell fromthe book, and please restore what it
took Graham's. Is that the onewith the boots? No, because it's
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like, reverse the spell from thebook I have when she was Maybe Patty
came up with it when she wasnine. Yeah, And like I can
see Graham's complaining about that, becausehow else would we know about this?
Maybe I don't know. I don'tknow. I'm just gonna shot in the
dark. Say Patty, why didPrue cast the spell? And what did
the spell do for her? Bythe forces of heaven and Hell draw to
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us, this woman fell, rendher from her sole desire that she might
perish on the like a moth tothe fire. Because you're trying to catch
a soccubus to cast a soccubus turnsinto a man. Yep, nice,
who did this spell awaken and whocast it? Troubled blood with sleeps unease
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removed the cause of this? Igot it? Who did the Piper?
Okay, you're there? No.It is also one of my favorite episodes.
Pruing Phoebe cast it to awaken Piperthere and they actually wake up a
puppet. They start stebbing people.I will say, this is like this
was my feet. You're truly inlike high school and stuff that have to
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read out loud, and so it'sgood that. No, it's good that
we're getting there. No, no, no, it's okay. I'm making
my way through it. Here thiscurse was placed upon whose past life?
Evil witch, in my sight,vanquished thyself, vanquished thy might in this
and every future life. Yep uh, who curse placed on? Was this
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Phoebe's past life? This was?Yeah, it was past Piper and Prue
cast it on past Phoebe. Okay, okay, oh fuck this stupid.
What's gonna piss me off? Ina second? What was this incantation used
for in the very first episode ofCharmed? Oh here now the words of
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the witches, the secret town inthe night, the oldest of gods in
magic, saw it in this nightand in this hour, we call upon
the sacred power, bring your powerto be sisters. Three. We want
the power, give us the power. Where they try to like get rid
of Jeremy. No that that ship, Yeah, puppet, all right,
here's here's the issue now with thisquiz. All of the answers were down
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at the bottom of the page,and now I just have to scroll through
and figure it out. Okay,love hurts. Yes, a man,
this sucks. Just I remember,like I know, I'm confident about a
lot of them, that I'm notconfident about a few of them. Okay,
which ones are you not confident?The one that you answered, Patty,
and that that's seventies episode one,because I don't know what they were
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getting Patty, Patty, Patty,Patty, Patty. Oh I hate this.
It was like two thirds of theway in. Yeah, I'm just
going through all of them. Lovehurts. Yes, I'm gonna have to
edit the shit out of this.This got so less fun. Immediately,
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guys, restructure your quiz sites.The witch is back to someone which doctor
necromancing the stone? Yep, yep, Oh, okay, I'm just gonna
read these then that seems so mucheasier. Uh, Prue cast it to
accelerate time. You got that.It made her grow fends the tale page
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that seventies episodes. She didn't doit, She wasn't there. Yep.
Those who are now are in thishouse, will hear that's yep? There
you go. It stripped the magicof all three Charmed Ones, Phoebean,
piperin yes to give Prue pause seventeenwho created the spell when she was nine?
Patty in the episode Cheaper by theCoven. Patty cast the spell so
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the Charmed Ones would stop acting likekids, and she told Victor that she
made up the spell when she wasnine. There you go. Soccubis turned
into a man. I kind ofdo too. Prue and Phoebe cast Piper,
oh all oh, the last gofuck you. The last question was
(01:10:00):
a trick question. The answer Ichose was to unlock the magic for the
original charme Ones. The other answerswere it was used to give Piper her
powers. It was used to givePrue and feb their powers. Fuck you
all right? Otherwise we nailed it. That was a much more successful trivia
around them last time. Yes,much more successful less confusing questions. I'm
very proud of us, and Ilook forward to make it very clear to
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whenever we talk about charm next.Also, this time of year, like
this Thanksgiving, you time of yearfeels very charmed to me, Like I
found it Thanksgiving, you know,before Christmas era, so like I'm in
the vibe. Yeah, it's definitelylike when the weather gets colder. That's
also kind of when I found ittoo. Yeah, it's like that.
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And also the summer, because likethe summer is the TNT reruns. For
me, the always was are AngelOthers most in Clark. Actually I probably
did watch some of but I alsoremember watching that when it was on.
Wow, okay, sorry, it'sbeen a while since we've talked about and
Bark that was on. I justyeah, Charmed Angel. That was that
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was like a morning block for awhile. It was very much into yeah
you're here, like six in themorning, because before that it was it
was Chips and Loves and Clark andthen into e Er, you know,
like it was Who's a different programming. I watched so much of R just
trying to watch like one episode thatnever came on while I was home from
school for a summer. What episodethe one where Carter and Lucy get stabbed
(01:11:31):
and Lucy dies? Oh my god, I think we've talked about this.
Yeah, I wonder on what podcastthe last time we talked about arms?
The last time I talked about charmThere you go. Anyway, everybody,
thank you for indulging us. Thisis this is truly us getting back to
our roots here to talk about Charmedand and I love it and thank you,
thank you so much for indulging us. We talked so long. Next
episode, are we back on trackexactly? We're getting closer, though,
(01:11:55):
We're closer, Yeah, we are. We're gonna dip our toe into a
part of the arrow Verse that neitherof us has ever seen. No,
it's fascinating why neither one of ushas ever seen this? The whole genesis
of this. Like, if we'reever lucky enough to talk to Mark Guggenheim
on the show, I kind ofwant to ask him only about this,
Like how did this happen? Yeah, because came and went this being Bibo
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saves Christmas. That's right, everybody, we got a copy of it.
If you need one, you letus know. But we're gonna we're gonna
check out the Arrow Versus only animatedChristmas special, the only like in Cannon
Universe, in universe thing that wasproduced out of the Arrow Verse that's like
(01:12:39):
this, maybe mister Parker's cul deSac shorts. I don't know, but
yeah, So we're gonna see howBBO saves Christmas. We're gonna see if
there's any DC Easter eggs in thereor whatever else they might have hidden,
and then we'll don't tell us,Yeah, don't tell us anything, please,
but you'll find that under your treeon Bibo Day itself. Then we'll
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be back in the new year withseason two. Indeed. So then thank
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