062: The Acolyte, "Choice"

Kevonte, Chris, and Joey discuss the seventh episode of The Acolyte, "Choice." They talk this "other perspective" of the previous flashback episode, what the Jedi did and if they needed to lie about it, and how the show has lost them and they're just waiting for Andor season two at this point.

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Joey: APPRENTICE

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Episode Transcript

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A long time ago in a galaxyfar far away. Welcome to Always Hold

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On to Star Wars, because justwhat the Internet needed with another podcast talking
about Star Wars. I'm one ofyour hosts, Chris and I am joined
as always by mister Joey Diemberg.I justn't I don't know what to say.
I don't know, I got nothingfunny, I don't know. Also

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joined by the Stilus. Hey man, how's it going, guys? It
only took seven episodes, but we'vedone it. We broke Joey. We
broke joe I mean, I've beentrying. I've been in the group chat.
I've been saying things like I guaranteethey're gonna put a bow on all
this, and I could I couldbe wrong. Right now, they may

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still put a bow on everything,but like they got thirty six minutes to
do it. We just watched thespecial edition of episode three. Yes it
this was just a special edition nothing, yes, nothing, but not extended.
It's the same, much like recentspecial editions, ultimate cuts and director's
cuts. It just made it longer. It didn't make it any better.

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Yeah, just made it longer.And honestly, I think I gave that
episode a master when it first happened, because I was like, Oh,
that's that's an interesting background information onall these characters. That's cool. All
they did was say, like,the Jedi aren't these evil people who come
in your house and take your children. They're just people on like a weird
science expedition, and they're just upset, set and emotional, which is the
opposite of the j I don't knowbroken, he's broken, Joe. Look,

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we will do our best to tryto try to figure out what's going
on as a team, because wedid learn something with this episode, and
that is Star Wars truly does bringeveryone together. Yes, it does,
it does. We were all insync for the first time on this show.
I started cracking last I started crackinga few weeks ago, and it

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finally just thing like, we'll getthere. I feel like I feel like
we have broken for legitimate reasons.I feel like we gave it all of
our shots, we took all thehits we could before we broke. I
feel so I'm not I'm not upsetthat we're broken. I think it's actually
fun. Let's talk some details aboutthis episode then we can dive in into
what we think about it in caseanybody who was curious says, to what

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direction we're gonna be going in?I don't know if very Deleeve hear or
not, but let's do it.It'll be fun. Don't worry. Don't
worry, It'll be fun. It'sall in good fun, all right,
keV give us a kessel Rundown StarWars the Acolyte Episode seven, title Choice,
premiered on July ninth, twenty twentyfour. It was directed by once

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again by Cogonada does the same directorfrom episode three, and was written by
Ooh Charmain de Gratte and Jen Richardsand Jasmine floorinoy. I apologize if I
mispronounced your names. Synopsis is sixteenyears earlier, the four Jedi discovered the
coven while investigating a potential vergence inthe Force on Brendoc which could create life.

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The Jedi Council decides that the twinsare too old and should be left
with the coven, despite OSHA's wishto become a Jedi. Coral Stokes May's
anger over OSHA's decision, leading toMay accidentally starting the fire. The results
for the twins mcount, which showstheir force positivity. Indicates that they were
artificially created with a single consciousness splitinto two bodies. Torbin, eager to

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return to Core, sees this asproof of the virgins and rushes to retrieve
the girls. Saul follows, andthe pair confront the coven before Klnika and
Indara arrive. Saul kills Anasaya whenshe attempts to use her power. The
witches possess Klneka and use him toattack Torben and Seul until in Dara overpowers
them. Saul is unable to sayboth May and Osha from the burning fortress

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and chooses to save Osha As theyreturn to Corson, and Dara decides to
blame the incident on May's fire aspart of the cover up so that Saul
can train Osha as his padawan.We're speechless. Yeah, no, okay,
don't. I think that's a prettyfair assessment. But this story reads

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better than it is shown on screen. Yeah oh yeah, uh. That
doesn't mean what I'm reading is thatgreat, But what they're trying to convey
to me, I'm all for.It's just this episode broke me, and
I don't know how you guys wantto dive into it. You got did
they leave out anything, because thisis that that's what happened. This whole

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episode was a flashback, which I'massuming was soul telling may I mentioned this
to you guys earlier today. Myopinion on this and just the overall story,
keV, I know you've been saying, great story, poor execution.
For me, when we're done withthis show and in a year two years,

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I'll look back and I'll be like, oh, that's a nice cool
piece of my head cannon about thatthis show existed, I'll still feel that
way. Like the more distance weget from watching it, I'll be like,
this is cool, but yeah,on paper, the idea of the
story sounds great, but just watchingit before we get there, I think
just some of the some of thedetails of it. Also, like the
Jedda are there on Brendock not knowingthere. The witches are there. Yes,

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they're exploring for some versions in theforest because the planet was supposed to
be and are uninhabited, and thenall of a sudden it has all this
lush life. So they're exploring thatthey've been there for an extended period of
time and Torbin wants to go home. They happen to stumble upon the witches,
and another key point thing to pointout is there the Jedi accountsl instruct
them to leave the witches alone,don't take the twins, don't interrupt anything

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they're doing, just continue your studieson the planet. Yep. I think
all that stuff is important to pointout. Yes, also we got an
extended scene of when Mother anisea kindof possessed Torbin, and we find out
that what actually happened there. Yes, that seems fair, Love, You're

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going to find that many of thetruths we cling to depend rickly on our
own point of view. All right, Joey, floor is yours, buddy.
I'm gonna start out with a keypiece of canon which has been in
a lot of the New Disney booksand is a canon immigrant itself, the

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Jedi Code. There is no emotion, there's peace, there is no ignorance.
There is knowledge, there is nopassion, there's serenity, there is
no chaos, there is harmony,there is no death. There is the
Force. Now let's just focus inon Torbin, this guy who seemed to

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have a really cool backstory. It'slike, oh man, he's just been
isn't spoken in a decade something likethat. At least the most sixteen years
with Torben, I've been like,oh, that's kind of cool. I
wonder what they did at that witchis Covin that may somebody who would have
no platform with the Jedi Counsil totell them what happened. If she went

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up to them, Toy'd be like, okay, thanks, who do we
trust our Jedi master or this crazydark Side user? He said, She's
like, kill yourself or do this, and He's just like, ah,
just take this point and I'm gone. I'm like, man, he had
to do something crazy. All hedid was just whine and say I want

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to leave and I'll go back andgoing back to the Jedi code. There's
no emotion, there's peace. Inthe beginning of the episode, I'm sitting
there annoyed with just the conversation thatthey're all having with each other on the
campfire, like, oh, don'tinsult a Wookie's cooking. Like, first
of all, I feel like,any this is before the Clone Wars.
This is when Jedi are just goingout on rain. It sounded like Qui

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Gon and Obi Wan, We're onMandalor for over a year, Like they
these missions that they would go onwould be for a long time. They've
been there for seven weeks and he'supset about it. They're sitting around a
campfire saying, oh, don't insult. You've probably eaten worse than this nice
meats that's been grilled over the fireby kil Naka. There's no ignorance,

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there is knowledge. I feel likethe Jedi are the type to say,
why are we here? What arewe skin handing our little metal detectors for
all the time? Were the Jediare here to learn something? They're going
to be the padawan before anybody thereand say this is why we're here,
this is what we're learning. There'sno passion, there is serenity. He
looked very serene when he found outabout the the nature of the twins.

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And now he just got up andran to go and just cause a ruckus
over at the Witches, which iswas pretty chaotic, right, So there's
no chaos, there's harmony, Sothat was that was very harmonious. What
they did. The only time hereally followed the Jedi code was there's no
death. There was the Force.So he just became one with the force
when he took that vile and justlike I'm out, and not to mention

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that Chris has been saying this wholetime. There's just a lot of un
answer questions, a lot of unansweredquestions, and it's like, nah,
we got time, we got time. I kind of thought the second half
of the episode of the series,we'd be like closing a lot of those
questions. Nah, No, we'renot doing that. I'm broken. I'm
sorry. I genuinely feel sad aboutit. Joe, Can I share what

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you mentioned last time, what Ithink would have really helped this show?
Yeah? Yeah, go for it. So we talked about like they should
have done things in a different order, and I think that we would have
been more bought in. We getwhat Leslie Heaven's trying to do. She's
trying to show you different perspectives ona situation, to see how some people
can see it some way and somecan be the other way. But as
evidence in this episode, they dosuch a poor job of it that we're

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all just left scratching our heads stillseven episodes into an eight episode run.
Yeah, and the things that theytried to set up early on were not
paid off, and we're still justleft with more questions than answers. I
think that this show. I thinkthat this would have turned it around completely
for me. If the show startedthe first episode a fifty five minute run,

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order a fifty to fifty five minuterun, all of what happened on
Brendac, start out with the Jedishow the Witch's perspective of it. Also
show everything we saw in three andseven, combined it together into one episode
to give us that backstory. Youcould even leave us with not knowing that
May's alive. You can leave itat there Osha survives. We don't know
about May. That could still bea secret. You don't have to see

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her there looking like, oh sheWe don't need that. Episode two,
which was released on the same dayto start the series. You pick right
back up with May fighting in Daraand then leading into the whole mystery of
Okay, May still alive? What'sgoing on? We thought it was Osha
she left the Jedi order that wouldall be more compelling because we just saw
what happened on Brendock. Instead,we're all one of the well, what

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was this big event that happened?I mean, I know we're going to
find out later, but we missall the details that we saw early on,
and I don't think you can expecteverybody to go back and rewatch something
you're supposed to get it the firsttime through. Right when you're making a
show, you shouldn't have to rewatchto get what's going on. So if
they had started out with this likethe first episode series Brendock, second the

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Mystery, this would have made somuch more sense. And then also the
whole show was billed as is theAccolade a dark side user, which we
know to be Kymier at this point. Kymier was not involved in this episode
at all. Vernestra not in thisepisode involved in Brindock. They both just
got bolstered in their importance in theepisode right before this, so they both

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became huge characters that we were interestedin what's going on, and then both
completely absent in this episode. Soif you have all the history first and
then you lead into the present day, we understand the characters more, we
relate to them more, we cansympathize with what actually happened instead of wondering
the whole time. And then alsosince the twins have been all over the

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place, this probably would have savedthe show. The poorly executed flashback and
extended mysteries which didn't end up beingworre of the mysteries of this type of
playout. I genuinely think that,like you were spot on with that,
Chris right, I do not wantto see anyone else say that people that
don't like this show, that aren'ton the bad end just are don't have

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good media literacy. That is soannoying to hear. Oh God, because
we understand what's going on, thequestion still remains why, Like, there
are so many times that they dothings in the show that doesn't make sense,
not only within the Greater Star Warsuniverse, Fine, cut that out
in the own universe, which inthey've established in this show. This was

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supposed to be the moment we understandwhy all this is happening, and I
still don't know why all this ishappening. Was May even present to see
Torbin fight everyone? Like, becauseI'm pretty sure I heard May run and
she ran off. She doesn't evenknow what happened after what Saul did,
Why does she then dedicate the restof her life to killing these people that

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were just there? She does notknow what they did? Right? That
doesn't make sense? Yeah, evento look at this as a self contained
story. In the Phantom Menace,if that's the first piece of Star Wars
you're watching, it opens up withthis boring trade dispute, talking about things

(14:05):
that are not of interest to themajority of the audience. But when that
gas floods into that room, themusic swells with the return of the Jedi
theme, and they're kicking ass,They're having fun. Like it's at that
point you have no question, Oh, these are the good guys. I
feel like this show, the onlygood guys that have been depicted are the

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Witches and episode three, like,I feel like everybody else and Kimer almost
feels like an anti hero in thiswhole show, which to me is completely
wrong. Yeah, oh, Iagree. I'm trying to figure out what
he still fits in, and Iguess we're gonna have to at least figure
out. I cannot imagine that thiseight episode is written out with the understanding

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that this will be the only eightepisodes of the show. I think they're
fully I think she would at leastfully expecting to have another season at this
at least. Yeah, and youcan't count on that. You have to
tell a self contained story. Idon't know how long the finale is going
to be. I heard rumor thatit's going to be around the same amount
of time as this, and Ijust don't know if they are going to
have enough time. Not just frommy own satisfaction, but like, I

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don't feel like anything has happened inthe seven episodes we've watched. I feel
like that they have just been stretchingthis out and flip flopping things and putting
things out of order because they justdon't have anything else to say. It's
almost gonna have been a better fortyfive minutes special. Like I don't know,

(15:31):
man, it's it's just you knowthat kind of a yeah. I
love what she's trying to get across. I I I genuinely do. I
just don't understand why this was theroute she decided to go with it.
I am you know, I amI. We have completely different righting styles

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of how we would convey this,and that's fine. She has her right
to make her show the way shewants to. I also have my right
to critique it the way I wouldlike to. There are so many character
reasons, Like Torbin's character was presentedto us as a broken man, and
we genuinely felt sorry for him forwhat a few episodes before we realize that
everything that happened to him was entirelyhis fault. And now you're like,

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well, why did I just wastethat much energy? I thought in dhar
was a piece of crap, justto be told psych actually she's good.
I was told Saul is. Wellwe kind of I think back in the
first of we're like, Saul's probablynot a great Jedi, but he's a
fun he feels like, he feelslike he gotta be around. But now
he looks like a complete weirdo inmy opinion. Oh yeah, caw Neka

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has has done nothing. He hasno personality or character. We don't even
know what he ever said, Like, yeah, we know nothing about him.
We don't know what he said.We don't know anything about him except
hey, he's a Wookie. Andit's just like these four Jedi. I'm
sorry, I'm gonna interrupt you fora second. Yeah, what's up the
whole Wookie thing? Like they're justthrowing out fun Star Wars like Wookie stereotypes,

(17:06):
like this guy is a Jedi.You don't have to say, oh,
don't upset a Wookie. No,he's a he's a Jedi. He's
a Jedi. Like no, like, you know, just to act like
he's gonna be a brute, becausethat's what we made these jokes about Chewbacca.
Yeah, this show did a coupleof those things where it's like,
we're gonna, we're gonna make commentsbecause you you know what we're talking about
since you've seen all the other stuff. But there's really no reason we should

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be saying this, Like, there'sno reason in Dara should be saying to
her padawan, don't insult a Wookie'scooking of her Jedi colleague. Yeah,
like you said, do you wantto know something else? In Dara shouldn't
be saying to her padawan what they'redoing there? After being there for seven
weeks. You're you're, you're,you're, you're, you're curious to why
your padawan wants to go home.Brother doesn't even know why they're there.

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He's been there for seven weeks.No one told him a thing. He's
walking around a green planet picking upmall. He's carry Anne Moss, if
you will, and he's just like, what are we doing here? And
they're like, shut up and keeppicking up rocks and It's like, yes,
I would be homesick too. Thisis not what I imagine Jedi would

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be doing back then. Like evenif if and Dara is the one who
is passionate, like you know,your Padwan goes along with the Master,
like if her whole if she's reallyinto this, this virgence and everything that
happened here, that's awesome, youthink that she would constantly be like informing
her Paduan like this is you know, like we all read Master and Apprentice.

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Obi Wan thought that the prophecies werestupid. He's like, whatever,
these are things that Qui Gon makesme read. But he was reading them.
Qui Gon was sharing. He wastrying to teach lessons like sure,
you can be a moody teenager,that's fine. If and Dara, throughout
this entire episode of seeming like thisgreat Jedi master, like genuinely seemed like
the best Jedi of the bunch untilthe last five minutes, you think that

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along the way, she would besaying, and you know, hey,
Torbin, this is a great opportunitywe have. We're learning a lot about
the force here. Xy Z.No, She's just like shut up and
pick up these rocks. Is itpossible before we because it's probably going to
be a pretty heavily negative or morecritiques than positives. I do have some
positives, and it has to dowith Leslie Headland's writing or whoever wrote this

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episode in particular. There are somethings I do like about the story in
this episode or what they were tryingto convey. It just came across flat
and a little too late for meas far as what the story's trying to
present. We are now seeing aside of Saul that we have yet to
see. But the show has donea pretty decent job at hinting this man
has emotional connection attachment issues. We'veall kind of sensed that from the get

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go with him, but this episodereally kind of brings it to light,
and I really enjoyed how they didthat. So this is how I interpreted.
I want to know what you guysthink about it. Okay, that
whole conversation was used as a deviceto let us see Soul's inner thinking.
The Padawan wants to be doing somethingnoble and something that he deems better than

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what he is doing, a betterusage of his time as a Jedi.
You know, maybe he incorrectly assumesbeing a Jedi is these things and not
these things? Right, So thenSaul not his master. And at this
point I did not realize Saul isnot a master. He's just a Jedi
night here. So he, Iguess, speaks out of turn over the
master here and is like, hey, this is actually a really noble thing

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and explains him what the con whatthe virgens is, and there's nothing more
noble to a Jedi, and that'slike nice thing to say. He then
goes to en Dara, and Darasays, don't let your emotions speak for
him. That lets me know that, oh, Saul wants this to be
something noble. Saul also wants tobe doing something with his time. He
is looking for a reason to benoble or whatever he assesses as a Jedi.

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They split up. Then he seesthese two young ladies who appear to
be or sensitive. They're not supposedto be people there. That's interesting.
Then a scary lady with horns showsup and aggressively takes them away. He
assumes they are in danger. Mostpeople would assume these kids are in danger.
I'm not faulting him for that,right, But he is also looking

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for something. He's also looking fora reason to be noble and do something.
They established that with that conversation inthe scene, so he follows them
there after not getting contact with histeam. He follows them there anyway,
sneaks in there, and witnesses everythingwe watched in episode three, which he
interprets as a bunch of negativity,but we've seen the opposite side that is

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not. But his assumption is,oh, man, they're training them in
harsh ways because she's pushing at them. And then I see all these witches
doing a ritual around this big blackhole and oh my god, this is
bad things. And he comes backand he's like, hey, what is
the Jedi's job if not to protectthese kids? That's not your job.
But that's what he wants it tobe, because he's looking or something like

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he let his own personal desires ofthe situation. And then you know,
he's like, oh, well,I feel like the Force is calling me
to Osha only one of them forsome reason, not both of them.
And it's like, okay, Iwish the show would have done anything to
back that up, because without thembacking that up, he's just just like

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a creepy old dude. Who's justoverly obsessed with these kids. And I
understand they would presented as being ina negative way, and that would have
been fine until they spoke to aJedi master and she was like, no,
let's actually be Jedi masters here andlike, let me reason with you
about what this could be, whatit's not. I'll speak to the council.

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Hey, the council agrees with me. Leave them alone. You may
be misinterpreting things. But so Iwas like, no, I insist,
and it's like at that point,it's like, okay, so you need
to be sidelined, you know.He did. He did kind of get
sidelined. Then other reason he endedup back there was Torben running off,
Yeah, which he catches Torben andDara shut him down. He wasn't gonna

(23:03):
go back right yeah. Yeah,but when he caught Torbin, instead of
returning, he said, okay,help me go in here get the twins.
Well, because when they got there, he sensed what was going on.
Yeah, once they were there atthe building, he could you know,
he could hear everything that they weredoing in there. Yeah, and
after what may had told them about, you know, the sacrifice. Essentially,
what I'm saying, though, isthat I think that that was done

(23:26):
well. I did not have anissue believing Saul would do these things.
I was just surprised that Saul woulddo those things. But they track with
how he has been presented and howthe show presented him in this episode,
So they have one character's motivations,right, Yeah, at least for me,
like like because I think the bigmiss here for the three of us

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with the Jedi. At least it'snice to know that in Dara wasn't what
we saw her as in the firsttime we see her. That's great.
But Torbin is a really really reallyI don't know why this event. I
don't want to speak for all Jedi, but his decision to kill himself and

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like we all said, this isthe first time we think we've seen someone
killed themselves in this way. Peoplehave sacrificed himself and in Star Wars people
have, you know, but atthe first time he might like intentionally drink
up poison and kill himself. Thesame thing with like Saul, We're like,
this better be good, this betterbe something unprecedented for us to have

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to see a Jedi, someone who'ssupposed to be trained so hard my mind
is strong, he says in thisepisode. To be overcome with that much
guilt doesn't track with what he shouldWhat why why does he feel guilty for
this? No, no, no, I don't. I don't know because
from his assessment, he was like, Hey, this is the virgins we're

(24:52):
looking for. He wasn't like those. I mean, he did say those
witches are up to no good.He wanted to go home. He wanted
to go home. He's a Jedi, like the Adventures. You know,
his home is a little tiny dormroom with a mat. Is it?
Like? That's what chorus? It'sa little tiny room with a yoga mat.

(25:12):
Can we can get into the characters. But I did have one more
critique and then, I mean onemore critique about about being Jedi here and
that, and I think this iswhat's disheartening me about it, and this
is what's making me tell like Ifeel, and I'm saying it to our
listeners and to you guys. Iwant to sound fair with this. I
don't want to just like be toohot or too cold in this this entire

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season, I have been defending andspeaking on and trying to explain why it
is. I think okay to critiquethe Jedi Order about how I personally don't
trust institutions. I trust people allthese things, you know, and and
I don't think that's a problem.The problem I feel with this interpretation or
this viewing of at least these fourJedi, at least these four, is

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that I always assumed that being aJedi was more like a calling in a
way of life, and they makethis feel like it's a career, like
it's a job that none of themreally want to do. Covering up this
event only saves their position in theJedi Order. That's all it saves.

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If they get reprimanded or kicked outof the order, well they don't have
to stop living the Jedi way,they just won't be in the order anymore.
Like that's the only thing they fearis getting in trouble or am I
missing something? The only reason they'renot telling or being forthright with the High
Council is because they're afraid of whatthe High Council will do, which I'm

(26:37):
guessing kick them out. But yourJedi, because you are truthful and honest
and good people. But they're notbeing so they can stay in the they
can keep their positions. Well,and look, let's look forward to a
time where Jedi weren't getting to beJedi, and that's the Clone Wars.
But you look at the show.The show we get to see with Anakin

(27:03):
and the Soka regularly breaking the rulesto do the right thing. There are
plenty of times like, no,we're gonna go rescue this person, We're
gonna go do this thing that's againstour orders, but we're gonna do this
anyway. Yeah, And they don'thide it, they don't do any of
that, and it's always kind offorgiven at the end. Yeah, and
and and the one and when Ahsokadoes doesn't do anything wrong and is framed,

(27:27):
she leaves the Jedi order and becomesthe truest of true Jedi in that
process what the higher public will calla way seeker. Yes, that's my
new favorite thing. By the way, that's gonna become a new, great,
great Jedi. By the way,Chris, they're way seekers now.
Way seeker is a real thing.Yes. The redeeming point that Indara makes

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about why they're covering up is OSHA'slife has pretty much been ruined now because
of all this, and essentially becauseof all of them and their actions,
and now she wants to be aJedi. She's there and this is the
only path forward for her now becauseher whole life is destrite, and I
guess from in Dara's eye, isthe only way she gets to be a
Jedi because she's too old. Thecouncil said, no is if Soul takes

(28:11):
her on as a Paddowan, soshe doesn't want to ruin the chance of
that happening. But I oh feellike that's not a legitimate reason to cover
everything up with the council. Iassumed in Dhara was saying, hey,
let's not say what happened for thesake of OSHA's like well being. We
don't want to crush this little girlto realize what happened. And it's like,

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hey, all for that, youdon't have to tell her because she's
a kid, But you guys needto tell your High Council because you guys
are Jedi and you have a responsibilityto be truthful to your High Council,
to your masters, right, likethese aren't just like the bosses you hate,
These are the masters of your order. While we're talking about Soul and

(28:53):
his guilt, here, can wetalk about like what actually happened. Yeah,
yeah, he manifested. He wanteda paduan here yep, and that
drove his actions with Osha. Butwhen it actually came down to it,
in the heat of everything that happened, Seul didn't do anything wrong. No,
this is the script making him dowrong things, so he could feel

(29:15):
guilt. It's it's the same issuethat I've had with it. So he's
he feels guilty like one, becausehe killed Mother Anisea. Yes, they
were being threatened left and right fromMother Quarrel. At the same time,
Mother Anasaya never said anything about thethe black missed evil thing she was appearing
to do, and she started todo that yep, and then May started

(29:37):
to disappear. Yep. What washe supposed to think? Soul had nothing
to do? What's he supposed todo? What's just like, wait and
see if it's there was. There'sno indication that was anything good. So
that's to me, that's justified hisactions are. Obviously he didn't want to
kill her. We know he didn'twant to kill her, not at all,
and it happened as a result thatnumber two, I guess the other
thing that he could feel guilty aboutis he was trying to save May and

(29:59):
Osha at the same time he couldn'tdo it. So he chose Osha,
the one who wanted to be aJedi, the one who want to go
with, the one who started thewhole fight, the one who started the
fire and with a dark Side userand had the mark on her and all
that stuff. No, exactly,he had a tough Okay, he had
a tough choice. What's he gonnado that. I mean, you can
somewhat feel guilty about that, butat the same time, he didn't do

(30:19):
anything that's worth The amount of guiltyis walking around with what needed to be
covered up. I don't know.This was all Torbin's fault, who does
not need to be in the Jediorder. Honestly, Tormion would have died,
Let's be honest. The witches wouldhave would have owned him. This
script doesn't do Saul any favors becausewe know Mother Nsa was like, I
choose to be a mother and I'mgonna let the jet I'm gonna let her

(30:41):
go with them right moment. Sothen they show up and does Mother Nsa
say, hi, Jedi Knight SoulOsha can go with you. She says,
it was very foolish to return here, Jedi. Why why would you
start the conversation like that done orsomething like that? Why start because you
need this because if anyone spoke whatthey knew, the show would be over.

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The script keeps manufacturing tension and itdoes need to be And that's what
I'm fresh about the writing. It'sleft and right too. It's not just
here and there, it's it's everythingmanufactured extended drama that doesn't need to be
there. Episode. What's the coolestpart of this episode? Guys, what's
the coolest part of the episode ifyou just watching ya? But let's be

(31:25):
honest, if you're fighting a Wookielike that and he's got his arm on
your his hand on your face,and his arms on your neck, squeeze,
Yeah, it's not going to takehim all this extended time to get
you, especially facing off against Torbona pot of one. Yeah, that
he would have been had some movesthough. Torben had some moves. Yeah,
but at an episode three vibes andyellow also, but he was dead

(31:45):
to rights. Yeah, this isgoing to get really in the weeds here.
Why do we not see yellow lightsabersin the prequel era, Like,
can you show me something like nobleor different about this person? Why he
has a yellow lights? Like Yordhad one too, right? Yeah Ord
has yellow one? Two? YeahRay has one? Now like what connects

(32:07):
these two people to Ray? Idon't understand what connects Ray to a yellow
its ever? Like because she's aright to a skywalker. I'm scared they
came from you. Yeah no,no, I came from yeah no no,
okay, okay, So look,yeah you're talking about you talking about
Saul not having a true reason tobe guilty. Saul was put in a
difficult situation. Yes, he shouldnot have been there, he should have

(32:28):
listened to his masters and not donethat. But also we can argue,
just like Joey did, sometimes yougotta go do what you feel is right.
In the situation, she wasn't there. He didn't go there to do
all those things. No, no, he did there because Torbin went there.
Yeah he went there, went there. And also like he is right,
they are in danger. I knowthat the that the witches don't feel

(32:49):
like they're doing bad things, butthey are so like like like that that's
the thing, Like what was happeningto mey? She was disappearing. What
was happening there? Was she goingto be care read it away in a
mist like the other ones said,because it didn't look like she was turning
into a miss. It looked likeshe was being blipped his full staff about
that. Yeah, you're like,Okay, what was Soul supposed to do?
Suddenly this woman who's been for noreason antagonistic against him because she is

(33:14):
on his side, actually decides torelease oh show, whatever the heck that
means. But apparently to do thatyou have to turn into a scary black
mist, the same scary black missthat Coral does a few minutes later that
possesses kult naka that makes them wantto fight. So I don't know if
they just all missed to do thingsor if she was lying. She could

(33:37):
have just been lying, and thisis why I think she was lying.
I feel like that scene was usedas a talking point of you can't judge
a book by its cover. Youshouldn't just make rass decisions based off your
own fears. Hey, I'm ablack man. I understand that if I
walk into a gas station and peoplethink I'm gonna rob it, that's a
problem. But if I walk inthe gas station with a scheme on,

(34:00):
They're probably gonna assume I'm doing somethingnegative. I shouldn't look at them and
be like I was actually gonna justbuy my things and do everything right.
It's like, hey, listen,Saul, I'm going to release Osha to
you now. I have to dothis to do that. Don't stab me.
I'm not attacking you. But shedoesn't say that, because you need
the tension, you need the manufacturedWhat was Saul supposed to do? If

(34:21):
someone opened their freaking mouth and communicated, none of this would have happened.
If they would have stopped Torbin fromwalking past three two Jedi masters in a
Jedi night, getting on a speederand flying away when everyone can stop people
with the force, we wouldn't.This wouldn't happen if Saul, who just
an episode or two episodes ago,pulled his padawan Jeckie out of the way

(34:45):
of a lightsaber slash and came here. If we would have just i don't
know, pulled the two girls towardshim instead of holding them in one place
for some random reason, or don'thold the structures, hold the people.
Why are you? What are youdoing? None of this makes sense,
and it's all to make drama,but it makes the characters look stupid.

(35:05):
That's the problem with the writing.The story is fine, you want you,
you want to you want to lookat Jedi and see it, and
that's great, But don't make Jedido dumb dumb stuff. Excuse me,
don't You can't. You can't changethe story to match the beats that you
want to have and not earn it. Like you can't have a cool Wookie
on Jedi Wookie Jedi on two otherJedi fight unless you choreograph it in a

(35:28):
way it's believable. Also, theyjumped into Torbin's mind and I mean,
I guess that's kind of a sense, like a Jedi mind trick. She's
just like tempting him. Hey,you want to go home. I cannot
be go home. It's like,why do that? And say, if
you were not the problem, it'schoral? Your wife anna say it was
the reasonable one. But she doesthat? Did she do that just as

(35:50):
a threat to make the Jedi leave? And it just so happened that she
has a plan whatever he needs whatever, like insecurity, But but why do
that? Why make the Jedi thinkyou're threatening? If you're not threatening?
Why at threatening? Then they decideto possess one of the Jedi, and
I'm assuming we all think it's Torbinright, No, the Wookie? Why
because it's cool because we want tosee the Wookie fight? Was he even

(36:15):
like he wasn't even supposed to bethere, He just appeared when he needed
to. It just doesn't make sensegoing forward. What is going to happen?
So Mother Coral is alive? Right? She missed it off after she
uh, you know, possessed kalKnaka and then all the other witches died.
Like, do we assume she's deador do we assume she's still alive?

(36:37):
She'd better be because I promise youif she's in his next episode in
any way connected to Kimeer, I'mI'm going to lose it even more than
already have because you didn't hint inany way, shape or form that that
makes sense. And it doesn't makeany sense, but they didn't know it.
It doesn't make sense, but theydid hint at it because earlier on
Jord said that Kimer got in hishead and he just couldn't leave, and

(36:58):
oh, she's like, my mothercould do that? Yeah? Is that
going to be the connective tissue.Okay, that would break everything. Why
would mother Coral go find somebody elseand become Sith when she already has herself
or what she is, train anapprentice here like this, send him out
to go get his own apprentice,who just happens to be her former daughter
who has been alone for sixteen years. Like, if Coral is alive,

(37:22):
it breaks everything. She would shewould have found May right because May was
on the same planet. How didthey even get off the planet? They
get off of Brendac. Why isKimier having May kill these four Jedi,
specifically May fall down a pit witha fiery explosion. How does she end
up at a tree? Yeah,I don't think having them. I don't

(37:44):
think Kymer's having May killed these Jedifor his reasons. I think it's for
her own. She was using eitheranger to like bring her and then he
said because he said to Osha likeI thought she wanted more than revenge,
like he was going to use therevenge to like corrupt her and Turner.
And then it turns out that that'sreally all she wanted. She didn't have
any interesting thing. But regardless,backing up to I want to say a

(38:06):
year or two ago, when we'reall sitting down saying, look at all
these excited these projects, what arewe most excited for? And everyone was,
oh, Soka Soca. I wassaying the accolade because they they pitched
it as this look into the Sithin this era. To me, I'm
sitting here excited thinking, oh man, we're gonna get to see maybe they're

(38:28):
going to take some pieces from Plagisin Bain and and canonize it. And
and you know, even if theywouldn't have done that, that's still fine.
They've said the word sith once ina very convoluted way where they're like,
am I really? Am I evenreally a sith? I don't know,
because we're still arguing that maybe maybehe is, maybe he isn't.

(38:50):
But like, that's not what theshow has been about. The show has
just been a thing that I don'tknow what it is other than confusing.
And again, if if you toldme we had twenty total episodes, I'd
be like, oh, okay,we're just we're getting things going still so
slow burn. Yeah, but wehave even if this was and Or and

(39:13):
we had twelve episodes, like okay, now we're about to get into the
groove. We have one episode leftto be fair, just because anyone thinks
like, okay, the three ofus hate this crap in our group chat,
which you know you guys aren't privyto. About twenty minutes into the
episode, I posted it, Ilove this. I was all about it
right. I was finally excited becauseit's like, Okay, my issue is

(39:35):
I don't know what these characters aredoing. I don't know why I should
care about them. I don't knowanything about them other than what you know,
these basic you know, whatevers.So here I'm finally getting it,
and then by the end of theepisode, I was like, Okay,
I know. I feel like Iknow these characters now and I don't like
them, which is fine, Idon't have to like them, but it's

(39:57):
kind of like, why do Ineed to know this? Like why show
us this story if it seemingly haslittle to no consequence, Because this entire
episode has been about four jedis makinga wrong decision and there is a random

(40:17):
guy who seemingly has no connection toit, just running around with a red
lightsaber killing Jedi who attack him,and it's like, I don't know where
they connect. I don't know whyJedi who attacked him, he attacked them.
He showed up, ignited his bladethrough Osha, and then yeah,
yeah, he antagonts the whole thing. That was another point that I forgot
to make last episode. He's liketrying to explain to Osha, and I

(40:40):
know it's manipulation, but he's like, yeah, I killed people who threatened
my existence. Nobody was threatening yourexistence. Nobody knew you existed, and
they were on that like they didn'teven know you were on that planet.
You showed up and revealed yourself tothem and wiped them all out. He
goes to he says the soul aboutJeckie, you brought her here. Yeah,
he brought her there to go seea buddy Jedi that he knew from
the past, not to confront aSith Lord. The idea of the acolyte

(41:06):
being pitched to me, I waslike, oh man, I'm gonna finally
get to see another wonderful example ofwatching a Jedi start doubting the Jedi order
and fall to the dark side andbecome an acolyte half Kimer be one of
the Jedi, and then throughout theseeight episodes things happen where he falls to
the dark side, he becomes theacolyte, because if he is, I

(41:29):
guess, I guess you could say, well, May May is the acolyte.
Not anymore, She's not anymore.I mean, she's just shot,
she gave up, she quit.Is Osha gonna be the Acolyte? Do
we care? What is this showabout it? OSHA's gonna fall to the
dark side? Do we care aboutwhat's happening at this point? No?

(41:50):
Because literally, it took us sevenepisodes to show that the Jedi really didn't
do anything on brind Doc It wasa big Misunderstan and they appropriately feel bad
about it. They're not walking aroundboasting it. They literally like all were
miserable after it. The only onethat's still actively doing anything in the Order

(42:12):
is Saul. For some reason,he wasn't. It was only because you
know, May showed up. Yeah, and it's like it's like, okay,
you know, we see Tormen.He's he's taking that valve silence.
Kaw Naka's living in Kofar by himself, and dar'sn't a bar. I don't
even know if she's a part ofthe Order anymore. Nothing established as she
was. She's just chilling, did'they didn't show her the Jedi order teaching

(42:34):
kids or padawan. She's just hangingout a bar before she died. And
then Saul, the person who everyonesaid was not ready to have a padawan,
is the only one we see fromthis story that's still actively being a
Jedi master with a padawan. Whydo I care? Why do we care
about? May? May shows upon a revenge mission to kill Jedi without

(42:58):
a weapon. She kills two ofthem, goes to kill the third,
gets cold feet halfway through, decidesshe's not gonna do it, and then
gets there. And then she saysshe's gonna do it, tries to get
back with her sister, Her sistersays no, she tends to be her
sister. First chance she gets,pretending to be your sister, She's gonna
kill Soul. And then all ofa sudden she's not gonna kill Soul.
And then all of a sudden she'smad at him again, like what is

(43:21):
what is she doing? And andand in the biggest Palpatine ironic voice,
the only Jedi she actually killed wasthe one who didn't deserve it, and
Dara was the only Jedi in thatsituation, who did not deserve that.
And she's the first one that getskilled. She didn't kill Torbin, who
started the whole thing, and shedidn't kill kill Neka, who didn't do

(43:42):
anything either, He just showed upand got possessed. And then you have
Saul, who actually killed your mother, who you saw do that. And
I guess he's the last because yeah, the script, you guys, the
script, that's why. Because that'sthe only person she should be mad at.
That's the only person that should bethe only image in her mind,

(44:04):
this Jedi holding her and her sisterin place and then letting her drop after
he killed her mother. Why doyou care about anybody else at that point?
If somebody killed your mom and Iwas next to them, would you
come after me or the person whokilled your mom? If teaches anything,
it'd be the guy who killed yourmom. It's because like, and the

(44:27):
thing is like, the thing islike, you can build that tension,
you can show us these things,you can make us care. But what
you did in my what I feellike, which is why I'm losing my
mind. I feel gaslit for sixepisodes. Yeah, because I spent six
weeks with my homies talking about somethingthat we have just learned over the course
of thirty minutes didn't even freaking matter. We sat here in discussed in depth

(44:51):
all these flaws and all these characters, and none of them meant anything.
It was like, Hey, I'mgonna make you guys reevaluate the Jedi right
because they can do bad things.And then it was like, oh,
no, psych Actually the jedire actuallygood. See how nice and dar is.
See the council they don't steal kids. The Council's like, no,
they're too old. So all thetime we spent complaining about the Jedi can

(45:13):
do whatever they want, I guessno they don't. They don't. You
just let us believe that so wecan be mad, And then I guess
they're supposed to be cool with that. Well, the Witches, they're actually
good. We're just misunderstood until thisepisode they're not. No, they were
the antagonists the entire time. They'rethe antagonists. Okay, so all the
goodwill that we tried to speak aboutNSA and learning about the other side and

(45:34):
doesn't matter. They're bad InGaN whatare you doing? Everyone feels whiplashed.
Your characters are all over the place, and there's some cool spike scenes and
some nice cheeks in between, butthat's not enough. I'm not going to
pretend like I'm an expert in thetopic, but I've read a few High
Republic books. The Jedi are greatin the High Republic. It's like,

(45:57):
oh my god, this is everythingwe're going to say. And when they
said that the show was going totap into that the Jedi and the New
Republic or in the Higher Republic booksalmost feel like woulden't because some of them
are just so great. It's like, oh man, you're just like including
Venestra Rowe, who Yeah, Idon't know why she's acting like this.
Now you're just this amazing, greatcharacter and you have no flaws. And

(46:22):
I'm like, oh, well,I assumed that we were going to get
some of that great Jedi action inthis show too. If you guys can't
understand how much I love this universe, listen to how passionate I am talking
about this for the past hour.I am not here just to make money
off of hating off this. Imake no money off this. We can
get better crap than this. Youhave to understand that we have gotten better

(46:44):
crap than this taking stop just takingthis. It'd be like it's fine,
it's not. Just think for fiveminutes about this show and the story falls
apart and you've spent eight weeks ofyour life invested in this. I keep
seeing some comments like, where's theone hundred and eighty million dollars budget going
this show? The story was sobad, I didn't even care to speed

(47:06):
her bike, Like crap, they'rejust paying like rent. I guess on
the volume I didn't even care about. Apparently apparently Filoni signed off on some
of these things. You've got conversationsgoing on. Nobody like watches this back
and doesn't have any of these questions. I guess not. I feel like
this story neat this, This storyshould be told in Star Wars, but

(47:29):
this ain't it. And it sucksbecause in today's world, with everyone just
cared about how much money you makeand people's reviews online, you don't get
a lot of shots at this.I'm sitting here just terrified we're never going
to go in the Higher Republic again. Yeah, we all want abot how
we want all these new things inStar Wars, and we get it and
we don't like it, and sothey're like, oh, we will never
do it again, and that sucks. I really want her to be able
to get a second season because Idon't think she's gonna be a finished this

(47:52):
next week. I think she's She'salready said an interview, it's like this
will lead into a season two.You'll set up the season two operate that
way. No, I agree,Yeah, you can have cliffhanger, like
you can leave us with something wherewe want more, but you can't leave
a whole season unresolved. Yes,so what are we think is gonna happen?

(48:12):
I feel like it's just gonna bea major cliffhanger saw. So okay,
So I mean like like like likepractice speaking right now, we have
Sal because I know we need towrap up here. We have Saal and
May May headed somehow somewhere we don'tknow where they're going. Saul somehow knows
that the Master has that that Kimerhas Osha, but they don't know where
because that's an unknown planet. Sothey think like they can follow them there.

(48:34):
So that means that Kimer and Oshawill have to leave that place for
some reason to go run into them. I guess I'm assuming there's gonna be
some sort of conflicts. I'm gonnabe gona. It's gonna be a super
choppy first half and of an episodewhere we're bouncing from here to here to
here to hear like, and thenthere's Vanestra playing is she gonna show up

(48:54):
there? Vernestra is on co farwith her Jedi team thinking that Soul killed
loses people. She's speculating or lettingher pad On or whoever that guy is.
I I just don't know how thisis all going to wrap up neatly
in another episode because and I onlysay this because each episode doesn't do much
but one thing. Every episode hasbeen one thing I got, I got

(49:15):
one last question before we give into ruling and stuff. This show has
been like what half crimeer and hiswhere he's going? I want more chime
here. Yeah, he's on oneside of things, and we gotta assume
that that's where the finale is going. Yeah, then you have a lot
so two full episodes dedicated to thisevent on Brendoc, which essentially is just

(49:38):
what made Ocean May what they are. Yes, right, it's just backstre
that could have been a conversation,backstory. Why is there so much brend
doc and May and Olsh's history whenthe main enemy and focal point is going
to be Chime here. Yeah,and and yet anything that happened has not

(49:59):
affect that at all, like MayMay maybe being a dark side user that
could, like, none of thateffect has anything on what Kimier is doing.
You know, you know the partwhere Saul makes that sound and the
witches coming, I'll look up.In episode three, they heard it sound
and looked up and we didn't knowwhat it was, but now we know
it was actually Saw spying on them. Man. That would have been better

(50:20):
if Kimer was there watching them,yeah, because he had an interest in
getting one of these pupils as hisacolyte. And then at the end where
she's yelling, oh shut at thetree, Kimer suddenly walks up. Suddenly
we have a reason to understand whyKymer's in a story mm hm, because
Kimer has no place in this storybecause he's not He's not the motivating fact.
It's May. And if they somehowtie him to all this in episode

(50:45):
eight, it's gonna be bs becausethey should have done it sooner. And
we saw all that, like wesaw two full episodes of what happened if
they somehow tie him into it,like Quorl's still alive or he you know,
came across May and Brendan or whateverit's it's not gonna be worth it.
It's not gonna be good because theyshould have done it sooner. As
an amatur writer, I think Ishared this with you guys, all I've
learned is that a great idea doesn'tguarantee a well written story. This is

(51:08):
a great idea, yep. Butfor whatever reason, the order they decided
to do this, the way theydecided to make particular story beat points happen,
it just all falls flat for me. It does for a lot of
people. And I hate that becausethe people that it falls flat for a
majority of them don't want it toa lot of people who don't like this
show are upset about it. Notbecause it's fun to hate. It's because

(51:30):
we want it to be good.We don't. We're not upset because it's
cool. I'm upset because I reallywanted this show to be good to me,
and like, I just I justI just hope that we get that.
Leslie, she seems like such anawesome person, Like I heard her
talk about this, how excited shewas and she's a fan and all these
things, like I want to believeher, and I'm not saying that she's
not because she wrote this, likeshe still has every right to love Star

(51:51):
Wars as much as I do.It's just like, man, and this
is one hundred and eighty million dollarbudget with the professional writers in the in
the pot. Yeah, professionals behindit, Star Wars experts behind it.
And that's why it's so disappointing thatthis is what they gave us. Nobody
could look at this and say allthat stuff we're saying or just like like
anybody's like violent criticisms of it.There are better ways within your own story

(52:14):
and not like complex ways, easierways, sometimes obvious ways to get across
what you're trying to get across withoutit just feeling so choppy and pointless.
I say this because I know itsounds like you know, particularly me,
I've been very harsh. If someone'slistening to this and you're like, man,
I just I'm just not seeing itlike you guys. I please,
I'm not saying it's to challenge youor debate you. Please share with me.

(52:34):
I want to understand what I ammissing in this. I don't want
to be this person that just likeneeds to have my view slightly tilted,
and like, oh, that makessense because right now I am lost,
guys. I and I spent weeksdefending all this, and now I genuinely
feel stupid. I feel like thisshow made me look dumb by undoing everything

(52:55):
they set up this episode. Everycharacter that they showed us, they suddenly
flipped it on us. So everyinvestment I had suddenly I'm like, oh,
well, I feel dumb forever tryingto say, well, we need
to look at the Witch's point ofview, because clearly I did not need
to. They were bad. Interestinginteresting detail. I've meant to say this
about Saul earlier, because I didgo back and watch the whole show recently.

(53:16):
When mother Nsaya is talking to themin episode three, she tells her
daughters that you would have to sacrificea part of you, or you have
to sacrifice it wasn't it was usedas a metaphor. And then when May
is relating that to Dara very muchlike a kid would she miss closer,
she says, you would have tosacrifice yourself, which soul picks up as

(53:37):
oh my god, they're gonna killthem. That's interesting. That good,
right, like that, that makessense. That's why Saul would assume they're
in danger because the child misspoke.But did the child misspoke? Did she
misspeak? Was mother Anna say you'reactually innocent? Or was she a bad
guy? Because you don't declarably saythat, So I don't know if that
writing was good writing or just whatever. Like that's what I'm saying. I

(54:00):
understand I have this particular way ofseeing anything. I need to have the
why answered in my brain about everything. But like, man, this is
tough. I've never been this left. Just like, what is going on,
especially this late late in this series. Well, I think we need
to do what and Dara seemed wasactually doing the entire time, which is
consulting the Jedi Council. Yeah,being an actual Jedi, you know,

(54:22):
a diplomat, and guess what,the Jedi Council knew what they were doing.
And we're right, yes, becausethe Jedi aren't. So okay,
now we're gonna get back in becauseI was sitting here at the beginning of
the show saying, hey, youknow what when they said Anakin is too
old, that is founded in experience. I was like maybe maybe Osha is

(54:44):
why they said Anikist to Anakin's tooold. That'd be cool. That'd be
that for me, that'd be that'dbe fine. A lesson explaining that's every
every piece of media in Star Warsis an explanation of one line of something
somewhere. I thought that wo'd becool. But anyway, I'm sorry.
I'm still broken. Send a messageto the Jedi Council because we have something

(55:05):
of them, but Nonet's out.Yeah, hopefully our connection is okay,
you have powers down? Hey canyou can you go take a look let
me factory? We said it powersback. I must speak with the Jedi
Council immediately. The situation has becomemuch more complicated, Apprentice, peeling back
the curtain a little bit. Youguys watched it before I did, so

(55:25):
you watched it on the Tuesday nightthat it came out, and I wasn't
able to watch until Wednesday morning,and the group chat went off, no
spoilers, because we're all good peoplelike that. Oh my god, the
group chat went off. We don't, we don't ruin stuff for each other.
Yes, but you guys were youguys were in it in the beginning,
and then it just fell apart.And then I started watching it,
and I'm watching. My first messagein the group chat said this ain't it

(55:49):
yes, which we were like,what, yes, Joey, Yeah,
we're shocked. But then like,I'm watching and I'm really into the beginning
of it, and I'm like,I'm loving this the Jedi stuff, and
and then you guys are like,just wait, just wait, because you
know, I'm almost like live messaging. It's because you guys have already seen
it. I wanted to be good. I was even into it in the

(56:10):
beginning, and then it just justfell apart from me. So we said
all the reasons why I'm gonna goapprentice to uh, this is a bummer
for me. I really think thisshow could have been something really awesome for
a lot of people who are justnot enjoying it. I have enjoyed aspects
of it. I enjoyed aspects ofthis episode, but ultimately, like much

(56:36):
of my my criticisms with the show, isn't the expanding of the lore,
isn't the the you know, quoteunquote agendas or woke Instead of being claim
it's simply nobody, nobody cares about. Nobody cares about nobody cares. You
know, I care. I don'tcare. I just the pacing, the

(57:00):
story structure, and the writing ofthe show has failed me. I hope.
I mean this with all seriousness.I hope it hasn't for you.
I hope that you are enjoying thisshow because I want you to enjoy Star
Wars. And before you guys say, look, I like the last Jedi,
so we don't need to talk aboutbad Star Wars being like I can

(57:22):
like some Star Wars that people don'tlike. Trust me, but yeah,
this ain't it for me. AsJoey said, so apprentice, Joey,
what do you got, buddy,I'm gonna say apprentice as well. I
don't get it. I've been holdingon for the longest time and for the
second to last episode to just recontextualizean episode we've already seen with no evidence

(57:45):
about that. I just don't getit. I was hoping for a show
about the Sith, and they're inour workings, and I feel like every
single description and we saw about thisshow since it was announced does not match
what we're watching. I don't knowwhat this show was about. I was

(58:06):
hoping, you know, when youhave so many episodes ahead of you,
You're like, Oh, this isall going to tie together in a cool
way, and it just I loveKidie. I love everything we saw in
the episode before this. I waslike, Okay, now we're getting going,
and I kind of forgot that.We knew that this was going to

(58:28):
be another flashback episode just from thewriting and directing. I didn't think it
was going to be that much ofa repeat episode. The reason was written
and directed by the same person isbecause it was the same. Some of
the scenes were exactly the same,just from a different camera angle, so
and sometimes the same sometimes just repeatof what we saw in episode three.
Yeah. I hope the next episodeis awesome. I really do. I'll

(58:49):
still have confidence for that. Somehow, they explain that the Jedi will not
walk away from this covering up thatthe Sith exist. I think that the
Jedi have no idea because at thispoint we also have no idea because Soul
is probably gonna die in the nextepisode anyway, and he's the only one
who knows there's a Sith, soit's whatever. Oh man, Soul's gonna
die saving both the girls. He'sgonna get to redeem himself that way,

(59:13):
and they're just gonna walk off intothe sunset and live in the galaxy.
No, they're gonna become awesome twinJedies, the Order become Jedis, and
then there's gonna be a comic series. All right. Now we're really starting
to But yeah, I hope thenext episode is great. I hope the
story ends up being just fine.This episode just feels like we've been wasting

(59:37):
our time for the last six weeks. And and that's where my frustration.
The episode wasn't as bad as wewere making a sound. It's just this
episode is making our frustrations about theshow bubble up. I think that's a
perfect way to say that, Joey. So yeah, I hope it gets

(59:57):
better, but I'm frustrated. I'mupset. I have if you can't tell,
I also have a cold. SoI'm just tired too. It better
to get better next week. Ipropose that because of this absolute sham,
we don't hand out any awards thisweek. Let's do it. Let's just
move forward. We have one entry. We have a plus one for Cannon
immigrant for the planet Bonadon, whichwas given to us as Torbin's home planet.

(01:00:23):
This is a planet that's been referencedsince Nights to the Republic. Yeah,
Knights of the Republic. There's someother Jedi Order books that has been
reaction also, it was mentioned inKnights of the Republic video game. So
plus one brings us up to atotal of fifty Cannon immigrants so far through
sixty two episodes. Nice, Allright, well, I guess the only
thing we have left to do isend it with a the Star Wars joke.

(01:00:45):
Right, let's do it. I'mready for it. Okay, Well,
I mean in the theme of thisweek's episode. This joke may not
be great, but I'll give himmy best shot. Does I might want
to know why Darth Vader is reallybad at sports? Why it's because he's
always choking. That's the best StarWars content I've consumed this week. I

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