065: Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Season 1

Kevonte, Chris and Joey discuss the first season of The Clone Wars. They talk the strengths and the weaknesses of the season, story arcs, and remind themselves...this is for kids!

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TALLY BOARD
Canon Immigrant: 50.5
Droid Saves: 11
Execute Order 66: 3
Heart of Gold: 8
"I Have A Bad Feeling About This": 12
Lost Limbs: 11
Mask of the Sith: 8
"May The Force Be With You": 26
Monster Attack: 26
"NOOOOO!": 5
"No One's Ever Really Gone": 12
Pitfall: 15
Superweapon: 5

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome to Always Holding on the Star Wars because just
what the Internet needed. It's another podcast talking about Star Wars.
I'm one of your hosts keV. I have with me
today my two main guys here. I got mister Chris,
Hello there, and of course we got Joey. How's it going, guys?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Begun? The Clone Wars have?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Indeed it has. We are at the Clone Wars. We
are all the Clone Wars because in this one, instead
of just Clone Wars season one, we are covering season
one given our thoughts and opinions on it and our
stuff like that. And when's the last time you guys
sat down and watched season one of Clone Wars?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
You mean before preparation.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
For this episode, for this episode, when's that something y'all
watched it?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'm really I've probably seen this season the most because
all the time I'm like, you know what, I want
to sit down and I want to rewatch the Clone
Wars and I watch, I get through like the whole
first season and a Saturday afternoon and then then I
drop off.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Then life gets in those Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
So honestly, if I had to guess I probably watched
this season when the first Asoka trailer came out.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
If I had to guess, Well, Chris, let's preface something.
I think none of us actually watched this when it
ran in twenty eight, two thousand and eight. Right, it's
my biggest regret in life. I'd say, I think me too.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I was on the front lines and now's at Afghanistan.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I was in middle school, it would have been perfect.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I was in college. I have no excuse why I
wouldn't waste time watching a TV show. Waste of time,
I don't know. Yeah, I honestly I have never sat
and watched this entire thing straight through, Wow because because
of the way it's set up, where it has the
arcs and timeline wise, it bounces around between the seasons

(02:21):
as to when they actually take place. So I'm googling
Clone Wars watch order, and I was watching it in
that regard. So I didn't, you know, before sitting down
to really planned season one for the POT, I didn't
know how much of it I'd actually seen. And I
think this is probably the season I would venture this
is probably the season I've seen the most of.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Also, life's been busy, even trying to fit this in
and watch it. But like everything that I've watched in
season one, I'm like, I only remember these things, And
I'm like, well, did I watched the rest of the
Wars because I don't remember anything, But I definitely remember
these things. So maybe it's a good thing. Maybe I'm
going to be pleasantly surprised as we go on into
season two and three. I of course I caught it
towards the end when everything was you know, hyped up

(02:59):
on Disney Plus. But no, I was just curious to
see when you guys watched this last uh, because it's uh,
it's definitely an animated show for two thousand and eight.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, it's it's so amazing, the stark difference in the
animation style.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, if you if you off in the later seasons
and go back, you're like, whoa.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
And this, I mean at the beginning of this too.
This is very heavily influenced by George Lucas. He is,
he is here, he's doing a lot of the work
Dave Filoni is doing, you know, he's he's directing the series,
I believe at this point. Yeah, but George Lucas is
in the room every single day. So this is the
last George Lucas star wars we have.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, it's back when Filonia was the protege and still
under the tutelage, before he branched out on his own.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
And now he's back when we needed him the most, apparently.
But yeah, somehow, No, I guess. I mean, I'm I'm
excited to talk about it. I'm excited to hear you
guys thoughts on it and reminisce on Clone War season one.
You guys ready should go ahead and get into our
kessel rundowns or anything else before we do this.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, kessel Rundown is going to be us doing the
lord's work here, trying to let the listeners know which
episodes happen where, because that's always been the difficulty for me.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, good thing, I don't have to do it during
the Clone Wars. Huh.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, we got somebody got volunteering wars expert.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I think somebody had a little bit of bourbon and
just did that the first time. Now I'm stuck.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Isn't that how it always goes?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Man, Well, no good deed goes unpunished.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, go ahead and take a drink and let's Get.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
The Clone Wars is set during the Star Wars prequel era,
taking place over span of three years between the films
at Tuck of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.
The protagonists comprised returning characters from the films, including Anakin Skywalker,
Obi Wan Kenobi pad may Amidala Yoda, and Mace Windu,

(05:01):
as well as new characters created specifically for the series,
such as Anakin Padawan, Ahsokatano, and Captain Rex of the
Five Ozho First Legion. Season one focuses on various battles
be fought between the Republic and the Separatists. The Jedi
compete with Count Dooku and General Gravas in an effort
to convince different planetary systems to join their cause. Several

(05:24):
episodes focus not on the conflict with the Separatists, but
rather on other aspects of the Clone Wars.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
That was fantastic and I get the chills every time.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I could have sworn I turned off Disney Plus, but
apparently it's still playing in the background because that was impeccable.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It sounded just and this time I won't hypothesize that
the actor who did that voice has passed away when
he is still here.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
All right, So the season's broken up jumps around different timelines,
but there are some arcs that take place. So we're
start off. Our first entry production to the show is
not Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi. I thought that
was a nice refreshing little piece. There, we get Yoda
competing against Assage Ventrists to win over the hearts of

(06:11):
the Toydarian planet for them to whether they're going to
join the Separatists or the Republic, and obviously Yoda wins,
so they joined the Republic. The next few episodes take
place mostly in space, so there's this new Separatist weapon
called the Malevolence. It's like a giant iron cannon that
the Separatists are forming and the Deaedi and the Clone

(06:34):
Troopers unravel and end up destroying. After that, we move
into I think it's another standalone episode called Rookies, So
this is where we meet some of our favorite Clone
Troopers that end up sticking with us for the rest
of the show and beyond with Echo and Fives. Then
we have another arc that's called R three S six.

(06:55):
You guys believe the arc is actually called the name
of the Droid, so R two D two goes missing
and gets replaced by R three S six, who is
a Royal screw. And in the search to find R two,
Anakin and Aska stumble onto a listening post that the
Separatists set up to spy on the Republic and ended

(07:16):
up taking it down, and they find out that Droid
is also a trader for General Grievous, the Droid is
a trader. The next arc after that we move into
three different episodes which we'll get into in certain points
of view what our favorite arcs are here. But this
one starts out with Padme going to the planet Rodea
and getting betrayed and offered up to Newt Gun Ray

(07:39):
yet again, and she's rescued because they all mistakenly believe
that Jar Jar Binks is a Jedi Knight insert laughter here.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
They were close. He is a south Lord.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I was gonna say, I'm laughing, but I have the
mute button engaged right now.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
That story continues on two more episodes. Like the next one,
they have newt gun Ray and they're transporting him, but
he gets broken out by another trader, a trader Captain Argus.
I think his name is trader Captain Argus working with Assage,
and then the final episode in that our kit Fisto
right Fitso he had me thinking that was actually his

(08:18):
name and I said it wrong. Swoll Fisto y. He
meets up with his former Potauan who's now a Jedi Knight,
and they are mistakenly in the middle of General Grievous's Layer,
a trap set by Count Duku which is meant to
inspire Grievous to do better because he's been failing for

(08:40):
a while, and then just how they escape the layer.
After that we have the Lorum Arc it's called and
this is where we meet fan favorite Hondo Anaka. So essentially,
Duku gets captured by Hondo and Hondo tries to ransom
him off to the Republic, and in or to confirm

(09:00):
that that Hondo actually has Dooku, they send Oji Wana
and Anakin, who are drugged and captured also, and over
the next couple episodes they end up being rescued by
jar Jar and escape Hondo's capturing, and Dooku gets away
as well, of course because he has to. Right after that,
we have a arc that takes us to The arc

(09:22):
is called maredon am I saying that right, Maredan meredin. Anyways,
Anakin gets injured and he's in like a coma and
they crash land on some planet there with Ayala, Sakura
and Ahsoka, and basically they stumble across this group of
a species not creature called Lherman, who are pacifists. But

(09:46):
the separatists just happen to randomly also be on this
planet and they're testing out a new weapon and these
Pacifists have to decide whether they're going to fight or
be annihilated basically, and the Jedi are trying to protect them,
and they all learn about a lesson about teamwork and yeah.
Next after that, we have a couple of standalone episodes,
so not part of an arc, they're just individual episodes,

(10:08):
the first of which we get a crossover with Avatar. Right, guys,
there's a blue species of blue people called the pan Tora. Yeah,
the Pandora is Avatar, Pantra is Essentially, they're they're on
like a moon of their own planet and everyone's getting

(10:30):
attacked and they realize it's this species called the Towels
and they're native to that planet and they just want
everyone to leave them alone, but we have a gung
Ho chairman of the Pan Tora who basically says, nope,
We're going to attack you and destroy you. And in
the end he gets overridden by a junior senator who

(10:51):
established his peace, and just a heartwarming story about how
a young senator can stand up for her people and
establish piece. Next, we have a story that kind of
takes place after the Clone Wars movie, so somehow gets
moved along in the timeline that happen after that. It
takes place on Christosis, and essentially the story here is

(11:15):
there is a Clone Trooper that is a trader. Lots
of traders this season, so they have to investigate and
find out which one of the Clone Troopers among them
is a trader. We finish season with two more arcs
and then one more standalone. So the first arc is
basically about the planet Naboo. There's this big it's called

(11:35):
the Blue Shadow virus, so it's like a bioweapon that
they're trying to keep from getting out and in it,
Padme ends up getting infected by it, so and infects
a Soca also and some of the Clone Troopers. So
Anakin and Obi Wan have to travel into separatist territory
to find an antidote. So that's what those ones is about.
And then the last arc, so a couple episodes storyline

(11:57):
is about the liberation of Ryloth so they work with
Chamsindula are Harris's father, I'd bless and helped to save
him from the droid destruction of the capital city. And
then finally we end with a banger. The last episode
is called Hostage Crisis. It's a standalone. Cad Bain takes

(12:17):
a bunch of senators hostages hostage trying to free the
crime lord Zero. The hut Anakin has to free the senators,
but cad Bain and Zero get away. That's probably our
longest kessel rundown we've ever done for an episode.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, cover the whole season on one shot.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
There. Yeah, a lot of details I left out, but essentially,
you know, if you don't know already, this show is
is just giving you snippets from the Clone Wars. So
there's stories that go together, like a overarching story that
may take up a few episodes. There's a lot of standalones.
We jump around between different Jedi or Clone troopers or stories,
which I think is fantastic because against different points of

(12:55):
view and basically just a huge collection of stories from
the Clone Wars.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
This show, oh could have gone on forever, especially with
the out of order nature of it, huge war, tens
of thousands of Jedi out there.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, I mean essentially it went for six seasons and
then ended right and then they came back and throw
another season in there. Yeah, arguably the best season they did.
But we'll get there. Yeah, we'll get this. Any other
details or plot points to share, No, I.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Think in terms of plot points, you got it. I
think it's time to say share some points of view.
You're going to.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Find that many of the truths we cling to depend
rickly on our own point of view.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
So I don't know if this is a teaser, but
I don't know what award. But my favorite character in
this entire series, you got to about halfway through Hondo
and Naka. What a standout.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
I love that it's voiced by Jim Cummings, who is
also the voice of Winnie the Pooh also and dark
Wing Duck.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Well Winnie the Pooh who spent some good time with
Ewan McGregor and Christopher Robbin.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yes, it's all connected, it's all connected, even though you
and McGregor wasn't in this series, but.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
You know you wouldn't be able to tell Probably the
best I mean, I think we've discussed this before, right,
but Matt Matt Lantern is a great Anakin.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
No.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
But when I read a prequel story, depending on the
voice the author picks, I can only pick one, either
Hayden or the Clone Wars, where it's just it's it's
so different, where Obi Wan Well all somewhat of the
I think the writing changes a little bit, but in
terms of the character, it's the same, indistinguishable for most

(14:45):
of them. Most of the show. Probably the best actor
who's not reprising a role, take Hot, take the work
versus Palpatine, is that.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
I don't know. This season alone, there were two different
jar Jar voices and it was drastic change. Like early
on in the first time we see jar Jar in
this series, I want to say, oh, maybe it's the
new gun Ray arc. That's a mod best, But then
when he comes back later in the Floorum arc, it's

(15:14):
Phil Lamar, And then there there's a drastic change in
the pace. Yeah, but I mean someone like Mace wind Do,
that's not Samuel L. Jackson and it's it's a pretty
decent Yoda isn't awful the voice changes, Yeah, Yoda's fine.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I know Yoda talks quite a bit in Star Wars,
but it felt like when I watched him in the
Clone Wars. It's like when he talks for a long time,
I'm like, it's just like I lose it because I'm
used to Yoda. I think I have this idea that
Yoda's like a quick snappy just like say this one
thing in there, but he'll like going these the kind
of monologues and I'm like listen in like.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, I will say this show, this show does a
lot of service to Yoda because he's so different, right,
you know, you have serious Yoda in the prequels, but
it's mainly because we only visit him at very very
serious times, and then we have silly Yoda, and then
we have teacher Yoda for Luke for you know, it

(16:09):
kind of flips halfway through and then he dies and
then we go back to silly Yoda. For some reason,
because Ryan Johnson only saw Empire Strikes Back for five
minutes words where this actually it shows that he had
that funny side all that he always had a little
bit of that funny side, but you get to see

(16:31):
Jedi Yoda, not grand Master Jedi Yoda. But you know,
the war kind of brings him back into just being
a Jedi.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah, especially episode one, which was Yoda centric. It was
Yoda leading a group of Clone trippers and he's teaching
them about war and trusting in themselves and yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
And appreciating the individuality. And that's what this whole series
is about with the Clones, is emphasizing their individuality. I
love jumping ahead to the episode where they're with Luminara
and they've all got the green like they're I just
I love the different Clone units and just all of
the different individuality.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
This series, like you saidbo how it does a great
thing for Yoda and the Clones. It does. It does
so much for all the characters that are in this
and Akin is presented as like similar but a little
bit more mature and a little bit you know, because
he's in war and he's like he's like you know,
and we get this teacher Yoda. But like, I think
the thing that blows me away about this show is

(17:27):
that there's this weird kind of clash between Like I'm
watching the droids and they're very cartoonish and kid like
and they're kind of like meant to be for kids,
and you're like, okay, there's a kid show. But then
you have this really deep introspective clone part where these
clones are very like pessimistic in like very down on

(17:50):
themselves because they feel they're expendable and they're they're not,
you know, individuals, and like you said, like Yoda's like no,
like the force flows through every all, live it things,
even you all, and they they start getting their individuality
and start having personalities and it's like that's really a
kind of deep challenging thing for this.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I can't tell you the number of hours I've spent
thinking about how they probably spun the Clone Army as
this moral thing. Right, they've got droids, but we're better
than we have. We have humans who are thinking, however,
we just have expendable clones where yeah, they're all just clones.
It's it's fine, it's no big deal, but no other

(18:30):
people like you know, it kind of brings a little
Jurassic Park in, right, you know, like they found that
they could, didn't stop to think they should, and yeah,
it's it's just it's challenging.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
But even so, it's funny now because you know, we've
been watching I guess the new the new canon, the
new Disney canon of Star Wars, and a lot of
the critiques of the new canon is that they crap
on the Republic and the Jedi. And that's not a
new thing. It's seems like this entire first season there's
like all these like neutral planets like kind of stand

(19:04):
dolphins towards Republic mm hm, and they have legitimate gripes.
And they questioned the Jedi like how you guys walk
around to the screaming peace whenever you go you bring
war and it's like it's it's wild how it was.
It was fine and accepted back then. But like I guess,
I don't know, maybe because it's Disney. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Well, the kids were watching it then, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I guess, like these are all interesting subject matters
that are kind of squeezed into a kid's animated show.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
At one point, I was playing double duty today of
watching this for this and then also, you know, I'm
just trying to see if my son would oh hey, hey, buddy,
look look she turned on a lightsaber. Isn't that cool.
And when I did that, he turned his head and
then immediately Assage beheaded a clone and my wife was like,
my wife gave me this look of like are you kidding?
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
The part about the Jedi for me because I started
with the original trilogy, the first notion of Jedi Nights'
is like, Yeah, I was one a Jedi Knight like
your father. We fought in the Clone Wars, and it's
like this mystical thing like, oh, you were a Jedi
Knight that fought in the Clone Wars. And the stories
that probably come out about this is probably twofold. So
like you hear about how Yoda takes on a whole
entire battalion and liberates the people on on Toyd Area,

(20:17):
or Aeala Sekura and Anakin and Ahsoka just saving an
entire civilization of pacifists, and so like those stories are
gonna pass on or just just all sorts of like
stories that come out about the Jedi. A lot of
times you have people who are skeptical and then they
get helped by them like, oh, you're the real thing, and.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
You can understand why the rebels were saying, may the
Force be with you. Yeah, because really, I mean the set,
I mean, the Separatists probably turned into the rebel alliance.
We're I think we're gonna we're gonna.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Die about that. We gotta we gotta, I gotta point.
I'll come back to that about that. Yeah, no, for sure.
But what I'm saying is like legends, tales of stories
that come about and then the Empire comes out and
says that the Jedi are bad, and you see how
they could twist that, but it's not going to get
to everybody when it gets these obscure people that never
trust the Republic, they're not going to trust the Empire either.
That they can still remember these stories about the Jedi.

(21:08):
It's cool now that we're seeing the kinds of stories
that would inspire that.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
And then you've got species like Wookies, right, you know
where Chew Bacca is still a spry young man in
the rebellion and he fought alongside Yoda, So you you
know some of these species are gonna it's not a stories,
it's memories.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, absolutely, But like to what you the point about
you made about the separatists becoming the rebels, they're literally
called the Separatist Alliance and the Clones become the stormtroopers
of the Empire. Like it's so crazy how that story
just flips yea and yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
To think about it as, yeah, there was a war
they were fighting against these people, but these these nights,
these kind people called the Jedi came in and you know,
you stories we haven't even seen of. They just helped and.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
And like we we look at the Separatists as the
bad guys here for a lot of these stories, are
they though? I mean they're being manipulated. Both sides are
being manipulated by the same people and are really just
trying to look out for themselves, but they're being pitted
as the bad guys.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'm glad you said that is something that took me
too long to get in Star Wars, that both sides
are being controlled by the same person. Like it's it's
it's it's quite insane if you think about that. Like,
but if you think about George Lucas making this story,
it was a commentary on a particular war and what

(22:37):
what I know, I don't want to I don't want
to bring politics in the Star Wars. Don't want people
think I'm woke. But you know, like it's the way
Clone War starts with Joey doing the great intros, right,
because that's you on the show. I can't tell a difference.
So like, that's reminiscent of like the old World War two,
you know, you know films of showing like marines propaganda,

(22:57):
you know it's propaganda, and so like then you have
this war and you're seeing it from a ground level
from these basic troopers. How they feel expendable, which a
lot of soldiers can feel like, and like it's there
is this bleakness to war that I think war needs
to be portrayed as. It's fascinating how deep they can

(23:19):
tell a story in this medium about something.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Kids to watch it on Cartoon Network and mom and
dad how blink?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
And I yeah, like no idea, kids.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
And when asageheads a clone trooper, Yeah, that did happen
in my house today and I assage venturous, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
So I am waiting on that live actually revealed guys,
I'm gonna lose it. And that's why I'm really excited
to get more to it because we all love the
Clone Wars and you know, I've read probably more books,
you know, and you know in that era. One of
my favorite Star Wars books is in the Clone Wars era,
you know, and so actually getting to see all these

(23:54):
perspectives from every reach of the galaxy, seeing jedis that
we never see before, or who were just background characters
in the in the movies, get them to be personalities
and characters you fought like, you like the people, and
of course Ahsoka, which we talked about during our movie,
but you know Ahsoka ascension and understanding and like her
arc throughout this entire series of how she ends up
being to where we meet her in her own live

(24:15):
action show. You know, we just covered this is just
good Star Wars. And the crazy part is this isn't
even this isn't even as good as it gets, you know,
like this this is very first try. You know, some
of the animations are rough, but I guess you gotta
give them a break at two thousand and eight. But
uh yeah, no, this this, this, this entire experience of

(24:37):
just like getting into this war aspect of the Clone Wars,
it's just been really fascinating. Like I just I can't
get enough of teaching kids war is bad through Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
You know, sorryuight with you, Joey, what was your favorite Arc?
Season one?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
The first one I love. I love Yoda, specifically love
teacher Yoda. I'm I think that that could have been
the movie. I would have flipped that around. Yeah, which,
now I understand you want to showcase Ahsoka showing up
all of that, you want Anakin and Obi Wan at
the center of it, and you want the common villain
of Joba the Hut. I thought that first one could

(25:15):
have been the movie and then have Ahsoka start the
show out. We've all come to love her, she has
her own show. She's you know, a fan favorite, but
maybe that could have been a softer landing for her
instead of being lampooned immediately.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
The first time you see her is working around with
the job of the Huts kid. Yeah, could have done
a little better than that.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
What about you, keV?

Speaker 4 (25:36):
What was your favorite Ark?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
You guys know me well, I mean I don't I
don't know if it's ARK. I know one of my
favorite episodes of it is I don't remember the species,
but I kind of remember them as like the Scottish
monkey people.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
That's the lureman.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Okay, uh, Because I mean, you guys know how I
loveing the Jedi and the Republic and all these things.
So anytime I get to see, uh, Jedi have to
be checked on their own understanding of things I really enjoy.
Like I like introspective self reflectioning a lot, So those

(26:14):
conversations are definitely I mean, but like unfortunately Joey already
like I don't. I think the three of us would
have probably said the Yodo because I just like Yoda
teaching people and like inspiring these clones to feel like
they are more than just expendable clones because they're not.
They're you know, their their life, you know, and that's cool.
But yeah, no, uh we say Lumin's lerman, Lureman, gotcha, Okay, yeah,

(26:38):
the Lermans. I like that story. What about you man?
It's tough.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
I think it's the Jarjar one, right.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I was gonna say, it's definitely charged ourselves.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
It's it's hard because like that first episode of it
with Jargars Jedi is definitely not my favorite and I
rolled a lot that But the follow up so like
having new gun Rang Custos and Ahsoka guarding him and
the lessons that both she and Luminari learn. Luminari, right,
that's the one that she's with in that one. Hard
to keep track different episodes, but when they're on the

(27:11):
ship and they fight Assage and all that, and then
how it turns into Kit and his apprentice nadar On
in General Grieves's Layer and then the whole thing, like
that whole thing ends up being an object lesson for
General Grievous, but a Jedi loses his life because of it.
Like that, I think that that arc was was cool
for me, and strangely not taking any of our favorite

(27:33):
characters in it. I mean, there's no olbi Wan, there's
no Anakin, there's no Yoda. Ahsoka is in a little
bit Padmes in it. I think I think that'd be
my favorite.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
That's a credit to the show that by the time
this just what came out tails and eight, So by
the time it came out, we had already, you know,
seen all these characters that we know all that's gonna
be animated versions of them. But then like you don't
get them all the time. You have some episodes completely
with characters that you've never seen, and you know you're
getting these perspectives that you may not be interested in.
But by the end, but you're like, you know what,
I'm glad I actually saw that, and I like, so

(28:03):
that's the strength of the show that they can take
out the heavy hitter characters and still have a pretty
entertaining show.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Well kind of kind of along that path. What do
you guys think about that? You have a show now
that's six seasons and it's sandwiched in between two movies
that the entire length of this show. You have the
same good guys and the same bad guys, and you
know how they start and how they're going to finish.
I guess yeah, but like they're still the main protagonist.

(28:30):
Like how many times can Grievous and and the Jedi
face off without some kind of resolution to the like contimes?

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Can dooku like getting grievous not meat anagain?

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah that too. I was like, is it too much
to do that? Like, I mean, like we said, there's
tens of thousands of Jedi out there? Could it? Could
it have progressed to just be other stories or you
face off against other generals? I mean, you could still
show these villains in the background, but like they have
them constantly go up against each other, especially this season.
I'm with you on that how many times Pad get humble?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, like Palpatine's like barely Like Palpatine's like not really
a factor in this. He's a background guy.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
But that's good.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah. Well, this is to the point that, like they
keep Grievous. Grievous is used minimally. I think he's like
what maybe like five episode like, like he's not in
a lot. They mainly make that for Grievous, and I
guess that's what assaje Ventris is for two. But the
problem is we got the movie Grievous and not the
awesome Grievous. We didn't get the cool Assassin Grievous. We

(29:31):
got yeah, you know, we got the lame want to
get But yeah, this, this would have been cool to
see some some more bad guys in the Separatist Alliance, uh,
you know, some more opposition, some new characters perhaps, Yeah,
because you're showing us all characters on you know, their
public side. It would have been cool to see some
of that too.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Ex More Quinlan Voss or something like that. Right, that's
coming up soon.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I get you there. Yeah, how many times can pad
may be in trouble? How many times can Anakin like
basically say like, I'm I really care about Padme. I'm
gonna go save her regardless of what you guys say,
And no one's like, what's going on here? You know, Like,
but I guess that's the beauty of the of the show.
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
The last episode, the one with cad Baine. This is
a kids show. It starts out with there's a scene
that ends with Anakin and Padme kissing and him saying,
oh my gosh, I love you so much. I am
willing to risk anything for you. I love you so much,
and then they end with a kiss, and then it
cuts back. Then something else is going on, and actually,

(30:32):
and it feels like time has still been going on
and they're just still making out, and it's like, bro, bro,
you're in her office. You are not this is this
isn't professional, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Well, I mean there's a scene early on too. I
can't remember that which episode it was, but there's an
episode where maybe with the malevolence part, Palpatine purposely sends
Padme into the middle of a war zone, like tricks
here into going to the middle of the war zone
so she can become a hostage for Dooku. And so
she sneaks on his ship and then Obi Wan and
Ana can go on to save her. And they're literally

(31:03):
on this gigantic ship standing on the roof of these
train shuttles that are going at breakneck speed, and in
the middle they just stopped to like kiss each other.
Like oh and Anakin's like the things you do to
get some alone time with me. It's like you're on
a speeding train going away, like trying to escape before
the ship blows up and all that. It's like, yeah,

(31:24):
like bro, combo down, calm down, time it plays good.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, I'm a hating guy, as you can tell.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I mean, you know, you can't blame her and I
can't blame him because Natalie Portman.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, it is what you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
All right. So we talked about some of our favorites.
What about your least favorite episode or arc and I'll
let you guys think about it for a minute. I'll
go first. I don't think it's my least favorite, but
the one episode with the Avatar people, the Pantora or whatever.
That one kind of bother me because it was it
was a standalone it was a new planet and you

(32:05):
have Anakin and Obi Wan who are on the planet
to protect a chairman and a senator, and the chairman
is just this giant douche and essentially starts a war
with a group of people that wants to be peaceful.
And then like he immediately like they have this, they

(32:25):
had that meeting where they're gonna like talk peace, and
then he's basically like, no, we're going to destroy you,
walks away, and as he's driving away because he conveniently
goes by himself with the troopers, he gets ambush and
basically almost you know, basically almost killed. I think eventually
he does die from whatever wounds he gets there. And
then immediately the senator, who always had qualms about it,

(32:46):
she's able to get in touch with somebody else and
overthrow him to be peaceful, and then there's a hold
this big peace agreement that her and the other It
just it felt way too much for one episode. And
I was also really bothered by the fact that like
Anakin and obi On are negotiating to begin with with this,
they say they're peace loving, we don't want to do this,

(33:06):
We're not going to attack them, but then basically they
just stand by while the while the chairman decides he's
going to start an all at war, even though they're
staunchly against it. They don't want to be a part
of it. They're saying, don't do this, but they just
like kind of sit there and let him say it,
let him do it. That one kind of that kind
of stuck out to me is I know, you're trying
to let them do this and you can have the worst.

(33:27):
You get the message of this young senator gets her
wings and brings peace about and all that, but it
just seemed like a lazy filler episode to me.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I kind of go the same way with the Droid episodes.
I feel like every season we go this route and
I'm like, I feel like we're not pushing the story forward.
It's fine, but again, Star Wars is like pizza. You know,
if I'm met a kid, if I'm at a kid's
birthday party, I'm not going to venture you the chiefs. However, However,

(33:58):
if my kid was, you know, having an issue, and
I wasn't there when the pizza was being served, and
I come back and there's cheese, I'm gonna eat the cheese.
It's fine, it's fine. I'm not I'm not gonna complain
about it. It's fine. Clone Wars for me is something
that if I'm in the basement building the lego, it's
something I like to pop on. I'm going to go

(34:21):
towards later seasons where we have Darth Maul arcs, where
we have Mandalorian arcs, those are never gonna be ones.
I just pick up when I have the whole leuthoro
of Disney Plus. But if we're back in the old
days of just cable and I'm flipping through it, oh,
Clone Wars is on. Heck yeah, I'll watch any of these.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Episodes kind of with you on that joy with the
joid stuff. Also, it's always weird talking about this because
of the real life stuff. I just don't care to
see jar Jar in this.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
I just my best.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
We love you, we love you.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
And it's hard to criticize the jar Jar because of
like Justice.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
For Keller and back.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah. Yeah, but like I mean, I love I love
Phantom Menace, jar Jar, I love him.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
He mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
He probably has some responsibility for my entire Star Wars fandom.
As you all know, in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I was four years old, well, I was eleven.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Jar Jar was pretty cool. To four year old.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
This is a this is a personal me thing. I'm
not like critiquing the show about this because I get
pleasantly surprised at the deeper meaning of what they're presenting here,
and I like that and I'm into that. But then
I'm like, I have to like be subject to like
jarge our episodes where I'm like, okay, dude, this is
taking me out of everything interesting. You've been showing me
about the war and the Force and Cortis and all

(35:43):
these things, and it's like why do like And I'm like, okay, well,
this is a kid's show, but is it because we're
doing this and doing that? So why are you doing this?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
So that is just my thing, is exactly it. The
biggest weakness of this show is the whiplash mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah. It's you have really serious, cious like somber, really
emotional moments and then like you have some silly stuff
with some droids. You know, what what are you talking about?
Like He's like, okay, dude, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
And it's sound like I don't know, I could be wrong,
you know. I know George Lucas Howys has maintained creative freedom. Yeah,
but to me, that feels like cartoon Network take on. Yeah,
it makes makes some episodes.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
And also not to criticize the goat there, but like
he's like he's always like this is like toys, like
this is for kids, right, this is it's always for kids.
I'm sorry, what did Freddy Princeton your say, oh yeah yeah,
and then Freddy prince your famous WWE writer. I don't
know if you guy knew that about him, that's any thing.
Oh no, interesting, I believe that he wrote for WB
at some point. Yeah, you made this show for kids,

(36:43):
but you base it off the Vietnam War, you know
what I'm saying, Like like you use inspiration from like
this really dark thing, and they're like, oh, it's for kids,
so don't don't trip when you see kids stuff, it's.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Like, okay, it's for kids, but it's it's kind of
like those Disney and Nickelodeon things where they put stuff
in there for the adults too.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Yeah, I caught in at least four episodes. There's instances
of where it's like I sent you guys a picture
it's like a bass or something where like soldiers are
or stuff like that, and they got pictures of like
tweetlex or women dancing, and they got him posted on
the wall kind of like you know that scene in
die Hard when he's walking by the breaker box where

(37:22):
like maintenance workers are and you see like a picture
of a naked girl. It's like the kind of stuff
to be up in like a man's warehouse type thing,
and they put this show.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I'm just want to let you guys know that, as
a person that did fight in the war on the
front lines, we too had pictures of twilets on our walls.
We did have pictures of dancing on our walls.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Same bro.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
I like the first time I saw it, I was like, oh,
that's cute little thing. I saw it at least three
more times. Yeah, in season one alone.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Dude. Yeah, because the shows for kids. But it's definitely
made by a bitchs. I love stuff like that because
that's a conscious effort. It's an animated show. They have
to draw and put that in there.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
That is at least twelve hours of somebody's day where
he is just he or she whoever is doing this
is just chuckling.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
For well, hey to you out there.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I appreciate Yeah, thanks man, we're.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Laughing about it. We think guys any more certain points
of view about season one.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
We haven't talked about cad Bane.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, we're gonna get a lot more of him and
later sees.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, this is this is where the legend begins. And
we we started right after his end, right we we
we were not together for that show is at his end?

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Do we know?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
I I think so bookable with that that I think
that was the last Disney Plus. That was the very
last Disney Plus show we did not experience together.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Really, I think so I keep forgetting that you haven't
been here since the first episode.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Well, no, I don't think any of we started. We
started with we started with obi Wan. Yeah, and then
we moved into and Or, and then we got the
Mandalorian what.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
You guys had one episode without me and then and
then we did obi Wan and then he had like
two episodes without me, and then and Or started.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
They were like, just just hang out and stick around. Man.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well we're like fifty some episodes. I feel like I've
been if. I feel like I met like fifty something.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
So the Mendel effect, you were always here, Joey.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
That's right, there's not the joys you're looking for.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Shall we consult the Jedi Council.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, man, I'm good with it.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I must speak with the Jedi Council immediately. The situation
has become much more complicated.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Joey, let's start off with you.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
What do you think I feel like we I always
go back to talk Bill when it's time for this.
Normally we're being like Rosenbaum and then we give a
Master like we're like, oh, this, this was terrible. This
is terrible. But then we see Master, and this time
it's kind of reversed where I think we've been throwing
a lot of flowers. And I want to say a

(39:59):
prime because to go back to Tom Welling, if I
was to show somebody one episode of the Clone Wars,
it's not in this season, so and this could be
a hindsight thing of I know what's coming, you know
what's coming. So to me, I can't give this Master

(40:19):
yet because there's there's Masters to come. And that's all
I have to say.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I kind of agree with you there. I do know
the feature of this show. I do know that it
gets better, not that this is bad. Just like everything
gets better, the storylines to get better, the quality gets better.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Darth Mall exists, Stark Mall, you know, you know Savage Oppress,
you know, we get all these great characters. So yeah, no,
I'm I'm going to go apprentice as well. Onto you
service to Chris, I think.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
I'm going to also go apprentice, but kind of for
a different way of getting around to thinking about it,
because I because I personally think the way the Clone
Wars is set up, you could show somebody any episode
and it gives you an idea for the show. Oh yeah,
and the show is meant to be something that an
episode's on you could watch it doesn't regardless. You know,
they fill you in in the beginning what's going on.

(41:07):
Sometimes they fill you in in the beginning like this
has happened to lead up to this, and it's stuff
that did not happen the episode before, like this season
season one alone. You watched some episodes like this comes
out two thousand and eight, and you're watching start to
finish and you get to like episode eight and it says,
blah blah blah blah blah, this happened Anakin Skywalker's here.
It's like, wait, that didn't happen at all. That's there

(41:30):
so that you can kind of jump in around as
my point to me, the reason I say Apprentice is
because I don't think as a whole it's it's a
master and I don't think that some of its parts
overrides the whole like I don't. I don't think there's
any like episodes or arcs in here that really stand
out to meusic, Oh my god, this is amazing with
like we've been saying, I know it comes later. So
I think for that reason I would given Apprentice. Also,

(41:52):
because this is a TV series and we tend to
do something different here and always holding the star wars
for a TV series, I think think we should hand out
some season one awards. Yeah yeah, starting out with oh
is our m v P.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Joey, who's the MVP.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Hondo?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, let's see, Yeah if if if Hondos Honos.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
He's the m VP of the series. So I'm willing.
I'm willing to let him wait.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah yeah, you know it's like he he won't. We
don't have any more chances Hondo again, So no, do
you have anybody who do you.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Think Chris uh Dee Bradley Baker all the different voices
than he doesn't, you know, every single clone is one person.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Deep Bradley Baker has to wait for bad Batch.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Okay, I wasn't. I wasn't really saying we should get.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
To have because I'm glad you brought it because I
remember learning about him and that he does all the
clones voices, which he does based off of an actor,
which he does well enough. Yeah, you differentiate the clone,
so if you have four clones in a conversation, you
can tell they're four different people talking, but they're all

(43:07):
still clones, and you can tell that too. It's really impressive,
and it's not nearly as easy as he made it seem.
The more I listen to him, the more I'm just
kind of blown away by how easy he makes that sound,
because he's like, I can't even make myself speak as

(43:28):
myself in four different kinds of ways like that. That
sounds hard to do.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
If we were having oscars of all of Star Wars,
Dee Bradley Baker wins Best.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Actor, it's insane.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
I mean, I don't think that's up to debate right.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Now, But for my MVP, I think I want to
suggest Count Dooku. I want to I think it should
be someone that's there from start to finish pretty much.
And I think his portray rail and yeah and here
is is just as solid as in the movies. And
it also kind of lines up with what we've seen
in a novelization.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I would say more than the movies.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, the movies.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
He's a guy with a fun name. I mean, like
I mean, and here you get to see the I
mean we talked. We touched on a little bit when
we were talking about the rebels with the separatists. He's
doing all the heavy lifting for the political side of things.
Count Dooku creates the rebel alliance because, as the doctor
Emmitt Brown says, Count Dooku was right, it.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Was a visionary.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
No.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
But yeah, that would be my vote.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I don't I don't know. I don't have a dog
in his fight. I guess because you guys have both
put up some good ones. I can, as a joke
say grievous because I laugh out loud when he snaps
on Count Dooku about saying, you want me to kill Jedi,
but you keep just giving me battle George to do it?
Really yea? Did he hangs up? That's really funny because

(44:57):
it's very true. No, Uh, yeah, I'm forfeiting for you
guys to do get out on your two picks.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna say, because it's a season, we don't
we don't necessarily need to come to a consensus. I
think we can just have a couple of comedies and
we don't.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Okay, Chris, Chris, I'm going to challenge you document all
of the m vps that are nominated for the end
of the series.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Okay, Yeah, then we'll have a Clone Wars official one
through seven m v P scheme and all these kind
of things.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I'm going to make a new note on my phone.
We do.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
That's what we do for the We've been doing that
for the live action shows too, right, we we end,
we end the series and pick somebody, so it's perfect.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah, We've never done it like commutativity like this. It's
always been by feel, but I like it. We're we're improving,
we're growing, we're maturing.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, yea, the allis are what's the name here?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Mmmm? Well, now I'm trying to think of like every awards.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Show I thought of, let's test chat GPT.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Did your AI bot help you out at all?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I'm still typing.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
My mind said the Far Away Awards thanks, thanks cutting
Edge Technology.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
The galaxies.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
The Galaxies, it sounds like an easy one.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Or there the Galactic Stardust Award celebrating the Force.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
The Medicalorians.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Oh my god, yeah, the Medicalorian Awards.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
We can hold the whole episode on giving away awards
for the Cold Wars TV show.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
You think about the Oscars the Emmys, be punny, and
it said, how about the Interstellar Oscars or the Jedi Emmys.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Thanks, this is terrible, that's great. Now these are not
the droids we're looking for. Okay, they're not the true.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
So we have our MVP nominees. Who do we nominate
for comeback player?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Jar Jar binks because this is where George Arguists shine, right.
You know we don't get to see we don't get
to see jar Jar in the Empire era.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
I have an audible mention like I don't actually want
to nominate this character, but now that I know who
he is, I would say, I like, I love seeing
Admiral Laaren show up everywhere, knowing that he is at
that table in a New Hope on the Dusk Star,
like that's crazy and what we see him, But we
also see him in and or as part of the

(47:35):
is SB I love it. I love it.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
I think that's a real nominee. That's a real nominee.
That's not just honorable mention.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Admiral y Laren done rookie of the show. Someone convinced
me it shouldn't be a Soca.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, I was gonna say, like, it's probably gonna be Ahsoka. Right, yeah, yeah,
I mean say, but.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I mean, Cad Baine, let's let's you know what, Ahsoka,
Ahsoka did not get that nomination this season, Cad Baine,
let's go for it.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Well, I mean, I get my nomination, You get your nomination.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Okay, Hondo and Naka as your rookie, you put him
up for MVP too.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I don't care who did who did you put up?
Did you put up a Soca or put up a Soca? Okay,
So I'll do cad Bine then.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
And then Joey puts up Hondo.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Do you want Honda to be the comeback or is
he somehow was there before?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
No? No, because if we go back to the where
we talked about Obi wan Kenobi predictions, I'm pretty sure
I was rooting for Hondo to show up, and I'm
still upset about that. So he's he has not come
back yet. Oh no, he didn't. He did in Rebels.
He didn't Rebels Disney.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Yeah, he's Star Wars, Galaxies, Galaxy.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yea, that's why my kid needs to get older, because
I need to go to Disney.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
I go without my kids.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Come on, I went with.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Uh, the Sabers, the Sabers, the Sabers.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
The Sabers. Yeah, the Saber Awards. Yeah, the Sabers. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
There it is. I I said, we call the Arrow
show the Alis, so stay in that vein. And then
it was like, oh, okay, how about the Sabers. There
it is.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
It would be a full episode, and we can we
can do clone Wars or whatever we can do like
a prequel era. We can do an award show for
every era. There it is, and there's six of them.
Now it's not just the three like there's like the
High Republic, there's the there's the Fall.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
I don't we're past the Higher Republic. That's not happening here.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
We have to circle back to the High Republic. No,
eventually will be.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I'll have a lot more gray hairs by then.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Alright, all right, who are nominees for the Skiing.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Or I'm gonna win because of this because nobody likes
this person. I don't care zero the hut.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
I was gonna thought you were going with R three.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
No, it's zero. No, No, nobody's when we're at the end,
nobody's gonna care zero that R three was nominated. Everybody's
can come back to zero.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Okay, yeah, no, I mean that's that's a that's a
strong point.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Then, so we have whatver zero the hut? And I'm
gonna circle back to the same episode that I've been
like harping on and say Chairman Chow from the Pantora. Oh, yeah,
it should be the scheme. It is my scheme word.

(50:35):
But then again, he's not going to do anything because
he dies and they never seen him again. But I
think I need to give that's a way to ward right. No, No,
he's a scheme. No R I p for this. We
are not pouring one out for this guy. What about you,
KAV anybody?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, I mean, well, I mean you know R three
is zero sucks sat Yeah, I mean I guess I
just got pick three unless and if not, I'm a
pick jarjar and that's not fair.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
No, you can say Jedi Knight jar Jar, and that's.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Bombed Jedi.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, Jedi knight jar Jar.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
He has two main episodes in the season, and one
he's mistaken for a Jedi and the other one because
of the death of a senator, he's by defaulted general
and having to lead a group of Clone troopers. Yep,
hi jinks all right, And lastly, our last section is

(51:37):
the way toward who are nominees for that?

Speaker 3 (51:40):
I have one?

Speaker 4 (51:41):
You want me to go first?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, you might, you might have the only one. I'm
trying to think of somebody.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Uh, newly knighted Jedi, na, the Monkelmuri former.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
I don't know if this is a cop out. Tell
me if this isn't count every.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Clone, you know, just just the Clones in general. Yeah,
like if the every was a time to actually realize that,
like the Clones were people. Yeah, that's kind.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Of like kind of like the what is it, the
Unnamed Soldier?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Yeah, yeah, that is somewhere on Cursan, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
God, all right, So we'll give a nominee for the
unknown Clone.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Because you know, you know, the Empire sadistically propped up
the Clones when it was convenient, right, you know, yeah,
when they were celebrating Empire Day. They they were like, God,
look at these clones. They Wow, they built our empire.
Cat anybody for you?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I'm bored with the no'm I'm a board the Clone thing.
That's really dope. I mean his name is Ki. Fitz's
padawan is a really good one too. But yeah, the Clones,
the Clones seem seem seemed good for this kind of
a season.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
To the tally Board. Let me preface this by we
did our best. There are probably things we missed, and
if we did, let us know.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah, feel free to go through and watch all the
episodes and well nott other people do the work, appreciate it.
Say it's a docu file and.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
First category canon immigrant. This is going to be a
tough one for the Clone Wars because essentially this is
this was our first new I guess it still wasn't
Disney yet, so it was a new problem. So but
it's yeah, it was previously unexplored. Well it wasn't unexplored,

(53:36):
but not to the to the extent that the leed that,
like the original trilogy was. So I think it's going
to be hard to find in this show. I think
we'll definitely see these start to come back a lot
more when we do more Mandalorian and vert Area era television.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
M hmm.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
But you know, you have it.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I know there's a moment and and the the problem
with this show is it bleeds a little bit because
the show is cannon. But the show was created in
a time where legends novels were not legends yet. Yeah
they were still they were there. Everything was still cannon.

(54:16):
So this, this show is the greyest of gray areas
in Great Jedi.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
That's no gret.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
This is so gray as hair.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Oh no, I for the listeners, Yeah, for the listeners.
I got a haircut.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
The youngest I got a haircut today.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
The fact that he's the youngest, yep.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I got a haircut today, And on my way home
I gotten almost a dozen car accidents because I kept
looking up at the reinview mirror and saw a right
gray hair and I was disheveled.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I still am. I'm looking for I'll celebrate. I'm looking
forward to it. I want some grace.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
I am twenty nine, all right, moving on on that,
we all feel older. So I don't have any canadimgrands,
do you guys?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Nothing has jumped out?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
No next category down droid saves.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Oh yeah, there's some. Oh oh are there some droid saves?

Speaker 4 (55:23):
I try to differentiate so when it's like a droid
almost acting by themselves or doing something on their own,
not necessarily just doing what they're told or what their job.
So I think I really only had one for R
two D two because Anakin specifically said to him, you
saved us. But did you guys have any more than
that or anything specificy you can think of? I'm sure

(55:43):
there's more.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Probably not, No, I mean, like like like for the
criteria you said of one acting up on its own
and doing it, then probably, you know, because droids do something.
This star is a time, but it's because of so No,
you're probably right with that.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
No Execute Order sixty. Any nominees for Heart of Gold.
I think this is hard because we don't really spend
a lot of time with any Yeah, you know, I
had people, I think not yet, yeah, not yet.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I'm wanna throw out the I'm sorry the names I'm
terrible with, but the the toy Darian King was he
a king? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
But he was always I mean, he was always on
the fence.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
I'm bringing a lot of Wato energy into that he
is redeeming the species because I am we only know Wato,
so we know Wato. So when he's good, I'm like,
oh wow, what a heart of gold.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Yeah, all right, so plus one for the Toydarian king
is there we go. Next, we have I have a
bad feeling about this, and this category is going to
skyrocket now that we're watching this show. So I have four.
There was one in episode five a clone trooper said it.
Episode six, Anakin said it, episode seven, Rex said it,

(57:05):
and then episode one ten or episode ten Nadar said it.
Next we have lost limbs, which we also are as
jumping up a bit here. I have five happens. Unfortunately true,
I have five, and four of them are general grievs.
In episode seven, Ahsoka cuts off his hand. Episode ten,

(57:28):
he loses his entire lower body.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
It's really strange that he doesn't reference Ahsoka when he
meets Anakin for the first time.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Sure, I lied, only two of them were grievous, the
other the other two or the other three were his
henchman gore his monster. Because before he dies, and I
preface this, he didn't lose anything dying. He did lose
these before he was killed. He lost both his hands
and his tail. U Kitto took them off and Nadar

(57:58):
they worked together in that one. So no mask of
the Sith turning out to be the Lama kills of
our teallyboard. Something suggested by someone not not in the
main group of the show that hasn't really hasn't panned
out yet. May the Force be with You, Now, this
is something that is shocking to me, and it's been

(58:18):
shocking in the last few episodes that we've talked about this.
I thought this would be a lot more.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, I think I have a bad feeling about this.
Might overtake it because May the Force Be with You
is so common, like there's a holiday around it. I
mean we have, yeah, we have more, but I feel
like in a show they go for the I have
a bad feeling about this as a little joke so

(58:43):
much more often than they do. Like, I feel like
at some point Mando may have said I have a
bad feeling about this, just because they had to say that,
where he's never going to say may the Force be
with you? Well he did.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Actually, yes, I.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Take all of that back.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
I have two and they're both in the same episode,
one by Obi Wan one by Ahsoka monster attacks. I
have six entries for season one, episode eight, there's that
water slug thing that jar Jar Binks becomes friends with
because it attacked Episode ten, there's gore. Episode eleven, they
fight a gun dark and then episode thirteen they're they're

(59:22):
the Scottish what'd you call them? The Scottish Pacific. On
that there's three separate attacks by these like land bird creatures,
like these gigantic like bull looking things, but they got
a beak. I did not catch anybody yelling no, neither
of you, no, no. That's a zero for that one.

(59:48):
Then this next one is we need to have a
little discussion about it. So the next category is no
one's ever really gone. So the preface for this is
based on what we see in the show. We need
to think that a character is dead and then it
turns out that they're not and they come back later on. Now,
can this category be applied for a show like The

(01:00:11):
Clone Wars where most of the characters we know are
going to survive and make it too Yeah, the Revenge
of the set. So in particular, in that one episode
Bomb Bad Jedi, they make you think that Jarjar has
died twice. Yeah, like specifically, characters say he's dead, I
does that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Kind of I'm going to make a reference to something
that we reference way too often for them not being
that related, and that is this is us. Okay, this
is us had us on the edge of our seat
when Rebecca walks in with her moon necklace, thinking, oh
my god, what happened to Jack? Before we knew that

(01:00:53):
Jack had died young and you see her with Miguel,
you need to have a generous, a genuine thought that
they may be gone for it to count.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, I was. I was gonna say, like, we watched
and Or and I don't know if they ever made
him moment we thought he was dead. But if they
had done that knowing he's going to be in Rogue one,
I think we would have counted then, because I think
we're trying to take the story as it comes and
not you know, we've all seen everything, you know, so
we know these characters coming back. But if we're just

(01:01:28):
going through the story of Star Wars right now, then
we won't know that jar Jarthur live until we go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
The final verdict. The final verdict comes keV after the climb,
does Ali get and he's they're never really gone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah, I would say so, because they play it off
like he's dead and then he comes back.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
And I think especially I think especially for that one,
because there's League of Shadows and stuff, and you know
that they have Lazarus Pitt, so potentially he could have
actually died.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Gets it that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Yeah. Unfortunately the cool Clone Wars isn't like Cannon in
this because like you know, Assage gets kicked down a
pit and then just shows up in this, you know,
so uh, Like, I think if that did connect, we
would say that was Assage Ventures never really gone, right.
I just needed the moment to talk about Asade Ventures.
I always need a reason to talk about her.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
You know, if people are watching this in chronological order,
they don't know that he makes it too. So it
all right? Plus two Yep, it's done. Next category we
have Pitfall. Again, it's hard for shows like this where
people are you know, leaping everywhere or you know, jumping
out of the right here to the rule, they fall,
but they don't die. I have plus one for Clone

(01:02:39):
Commander fell and in episode time, so plus one for Pitfall.
And lastly, our last category is super Weapon mm hmm,
and I have three entries for season one of the
Clone Wars. We have in the beginning arc they have
the Ion, that new giant ion cannon in the Malevolence

(01:03:00):
that they're testing. In episode fourteen with the with the
Scottish Pacifist, they're testing out that like nuke like weapon
that wipes out living organisms but doesn't affect droids.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
That's super weapons. That's a super weapon.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Oh terrible super weapon too, by the way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
And then in the arc that starts episode seventeen, we
have the bioweapon, the Blue Shadow virus and that, folks.
Is the Clone Wars season one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Not bad, not a bad season, not bad. Got a
joke for you you ready?

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Oh, I'm always ready for a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
What is the internal temperature of a ton tan? I
don't know, I don't know either, is probably luke warm, though, Chris,
got a joke for you, man, You're ready shoot? A
lot of the movies come out four, five, six, and
then one, two three. I don't know why in charge
of scheduling Yoda was.

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