077: Andor, "One Year Later" / "Sagrona Teema" / "Harvest"

Chris and Joey discuss the first batch of episodes of Andor season 2: One Year Later, Sagrona Teema and Harvest. They talk the accelerated release schedule, enjoying living in the Star Wars world, and seeing all sides of the conflict.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away,

(00:37):
Welcome to always hold on to Star Wars, because just
what they needed was another podcast talking about Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm one of your hosts, Joey, and tonight we've also
got Chris hello there, and it would not be a
live breakdown of a Disney Plus show if all three
of us were together, So this time it was Kev's turn.
I think Chris has been in Disney. I think I've
been moving. We've all missed various episodes of these shows.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Premiering Joey for being honest, like your your host status
came about because of live shows.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's very true. That's very true, and that even helps
because to the Obi Wan premiere you, keV and a guest.
These are very hard, but we are dedicated to you,
the listener. We are here to bring you our live
reactions and walk you through a show.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm here because I just I'm excited and I want
to talk about and or.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
My wife will not watch these shows and I need
somebody to talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You know what's funny. My wife, her favorite Star Wars
movie is Rogue One. She loved Rogue One. She loved
the character and or and I keep telling her, like,
this is amazing, you would love this, We should watch
this no interest. But then again, I feel like I
love this because of all the lore that it touches,
and I feel like she wouldn't be as interested in
all those pieces. Yeah, and I would be disappointed. So

(01:54):
maybe it's for the best.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I've been talking about a lot. I've been reading the
Harry Potter series. So now that is absolute guilt that
I could throw out my wife because she's always been
the Harry Potter one. I've always been the Star Wars one,
and we just like don't meet on those two things.
And I'm like, but I read all of the Harry
Potter books for you.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, but you're also better off for it, right, That's true.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I read it because I read it because I really
enjoyed it. Don't tell her that, but it's my guilt trip.
So it's like, hey, you know, you just don't like
She always claims she doesn't like Star Wars because of
the the sound effect. She thinks it's just so obnoxious.
She doesn't like the blasters, lightsabers, all of that, and
mainly because I used to when I was a child,
I would put the DVDs on repeat and just fall

(02:34):
asleep to them. And I the first day we lived
together and I just turned on Star Wars to fall asleep.
I cannot get in to this. Yeah, so that that
probably is a big piece of why she hates it,
But we're getting there.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I brought my wife into both Harry Potter and Star Wars,
and it was movies first. I'm huge on the Harry Potter.
I used to like reread them once a year ish
back in the day when I had more free time,
because I just I just love it. And I finally
I heard it to read them and talk about how
like it's and enhances it so much more, just so
much better, and more stuff in the books. And she

(03:11):
got really into that too. But she she did all
the audio books and loved it.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, we're going to petition Zach for always hold on
to Harry Potter.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
No, but today we're not here to talk about Harry Potter.
We're here to talk about and Or, which is very
good in its own right.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I some would say some people think this is the
best Star Wars period.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
What I don't think. I I couldn't give that title
to anything because what I like about this. I like
other things for different reasons. I mean, for one thing,
how is it Star Wars without lightsabers and the Force?
I agree with that, but I also love this side
of it. You got to have it all together.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
H Absolutely, it's a it's a tapestry that we have
to weave with every little thing.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
All Star Wars is good Star Wars, right, that's our motto. Right,
But this in particular, showing your hand a little bit.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Talk about and or season two episodes one through three,
And before jumping into that, Chris, did you watch the
fourteen minute season one recap?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I did not because I rewatched all of season one already.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
See and I'm regretting that. And I'm about to lose
a lot of time because I think I'm going to
rewatch season one while we're going. I think I'll just
do an arc side by side with the of season
one with season two and just get caught up. But
luckily Disney Plus is over spoiling episode recaps is always
good for you, so you always know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yes, yes, I tend to skip the recap because I
don't want to be spoiled by what parts of the
show might be included. In this episode, like, oh, hey,
this character, we're getting him in the recap. Why are
we getting get him in the recap? Oh, he was
probably gonna be in this episode.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Or like Skeleton Cruise, Like, don't press that button, it's
the self destruct. Yeah, I wonder what's gonna happen to
the ship in this episode.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Exactly, so I try to skip the I am very
excited about the new feature that Disney Plus has added
for season two of and Or is the fact that
when you hit skip intro, it actually includes that like
forty five to fifty seconds of the and door logo showing,
because it did not do that the first time through.
And then you hit skip intro. Okay, you skip the helmets,
which are cool to watch at least once, but you

(05:17):
don't want to watch it every time. And then you did,
the logo would come like that's part of the intro.
Come on, man, but no longer.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Now that we're doing three episodes at a time, God knows,
we need our time back. So just let me let
me skip that, let me skip the credits. I appreciate
everybody who worked on the show. I'll watch them at
the end.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
We talk about rewatchability, especially with our draft or not
our draft, with our March Madness coverage that we just did.
And I gotta be honest, this show didn't have as
much revisibility for me because it's so intense, and it's
a twelve upisode's a little bit longer than some of
the other ones, and it builds on each other. But

(05:56):
I gotta say rewatching it was enjoyable and leading to this,
I don't know how much I'll revisit this, but it
still doesn't take away from how good it is. Just
it's not one of those ones that I'll throw on
and watch episodes of, like opi Wan or the original trilogies.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'll shout out another Star Wars podcast, I know that's terrible,
but aggressive negotiations they leading into and or have been
doing a recap of season one, episode by episode, just
talking about it. So I think that might be the
way I end up getting my recap, because now I
want it now that we've gotten started. So shout out

(06:32):
to them. I'm probably be diving into that in the
next next week or so.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, and anybody listening, go do that after you're done
listening to us. All right, well, should we dive in
Let's Do It and or season two episodes one through three.
We're all released on April twenty second, twenty twenty five.

(06:58):
They were all directed by Mario Kleiman and written by
Tony Gilroy. The first episode titled one year Later. We
got the captains on the screen that let us know
what timeframe we're in for Bby, because the show's gonna
be jumping around getting closer to Rogue one and a
New Hope, et cetera. And we also get the planet

(07:19):
markers that were around, which is very helpful. I'm thoroughly
enjoying that, Like in Rogue one. Anyways. One year later,
one year after the Ferriks Uprising, Cassian impersonates an Imperial
test pilot in order to steal a prototype of a
new Imperial ship, the Tie Avenger. When he attempts delivery
on a jungle planet, he's ambushed by a rogue band

(07:42):
of squabbling gorillas the Maya pay Brigade. On the agricultural
planet Mina Rao, Vix, Brasso, Wilman and B two Emo
feared detection by the Empire. While in the undocumented employ
of a local farmer on Chandrilla, Manma Zma prepares for
her daughter's arranged marriage, but is informed by Takolma that

(08:04):
his financial investments have turned sour as a result of
their dealings, and implies that he's considering selling her out
to the Empire. That's what he implies. I think he
just implies that he would like more or would like
to be compensated for it. But anyways, Bell asked Luthan
for information regarding the whereabouts of her partner and fellow
rebel Sinta, but he claims to have no knowledge. Orson

(08:27):
Krenik oversees a secret meeting of imperial officers about forcibly
mining the resources of the planet Gorman due to its
heavy concentration of a rare mineral calcite. I believe it
was called an initiative to which Dedramiro is reluctantly assigned.
The conflict between the Maya Payer insurgents reaches a boiling

(08:48):
point and several members are shot and killed as Cassian
has taken hostage. Episode two titled Segrona Tima on the
Jungle Planet, which we don't know what it is yet
but we do find out.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, they just all of a sudden, don't do the
planet introt for that uh.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
No, that was a surprise for us. On the jungle planet,
Cassian is held prisoner while the conflict amongst the Mayapey
Brigade worsens and the group splits into two factions. At
a stalemate on Mina, Raw, imperial officers arrived to audit
all of the worker's papers as Vicks, Braso and Will
arranged to move to a different part of the planet

(09:27):
to avoid discovery. On Coruscant, Dedra and Cyril, who are
now living together as a couple, prepare for a social
event they've been putting off. As the preparations for Leda's
wedding conclude, Man Mathma discusses the possibility of Takoma's defection
with Luthan, who says they should attempt to ascertain his
price for keeping silent about the rebellion. Cassian slips away

(09:51):
from his captors when they become distracted with a territorial
challenge and flees the planet. Revealed to be yeven four
in the Stolen tie Avenger, I'm gonna be honest, I
didn't catch that the first time I watched it, Like
I clocked that they had the Assisi temple there, and
it was familiar. But I'm like, oh, I wonder that
looks familiar. I wonder what that is. I didn't clock

(10:13):
that it was the avon, But oh, I feel a
little ashamed now.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Oh they didn't do the family guy with it.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
They needed the guy in the tower. That's like scanning them.
They're not there yet. We'll get there, all right. Episode three,
titled Harvest, Cassian makes contact with Cleya and is able
to ascertain the danger his friends are in on Mina
Rao and instantly departs. Dedrill and Sirah host Cyril's mother,

(10:42):
Edie for dinner, during which Edie repeatedly belittles Cyril, prompting
Dedra to forcibly establish limitations on his mother, and we
get probably the most amable moment of this show, Cyril
on the couch. Side note, there's an interview going around
that was totally improvised by him. Oh really, it wasn't

(11:04):
in the script. He was just supposed to leave the room,
and he went and laid on the bed like that.
And then after the fact, the director asked the actress
that plays Deadra like if she wants to know what
he did, and tells her She's like, oh wow, that's fascinating. Yeah,
totally improud. So shout out to that actor Kyle Soler.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Is that his name, yep, Kyle Sol, That.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Guy is talented. On Chandrilla, Lida is married to Stecan
as arranged, and the ceremony is followed by a reception.
As the Ferris expatriates prepare to leave Mina Rau, imperial
officer Lieutenant Roll attempts to rape Bix, but she kills
him after a bloody altercation. As the conflict spirals further,

(11:45):
Brasso is killed by a stormtrooper, but Cassian arrives in
the Tie of Enger and kills the Imperial troops. Cassian
bicks and will lee on the Tie of Enger. Having
been unable to come up with a price to ensure
take home a silence, Luthen implies to man Mathma he
has decided to have him killed. Mathma drinks and dances

(12:07):
while Bell watches Kolma get taken away by Santa. These
episodes were all about like forty to forty five minutes
forty to forty two minutes each, and I gotta say
I we when it reached the endpoint of all these
I'm like, oh wow, I was not even thinking about.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
It after it happened. I really get why they released
them the way they did. I get that there's probably
some hesitancy right to put something together and call it,
you know, about two hours and just say this is
your episode, because it's like getting close to a movie,
but at the end of the day doesn't feel like
a movie. It almost I guess the three episodes does

(12:42):
help me, like because a person like me, I couldn't
sit down the night it came out watch all three.
So the gym watched one, got home from work, watched one,
watched another one the next morning, where like I was
able to kind of get my way through it piece
by piece. But I don't know, how'd you feel about
the way they did at this time.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know, I got to look at it on two
sides of the coin, one as a fan. I like
that it's there. I can just keep watching. I don't
have to wait, and I was able to sit down
and watch start to fish. I had to take a
couple of breaks here and there, but for the most
part I was able to at least watch it somewhat
in one sitting, but also understanding, like you said, the
majority of people aren't gonna be able to do that.

(13:21):
And the fact that there's easy intro and exit points
for each episode that you can kind of like take it,
you can put a pause in it and then come
back to it, I think is really helpful. I think
if they released like four movies that probably wouldn't have
done well, and you know, it would have been harder
to and everything would be would not be judged together
like this way. When it's done, the whole season will

(13:43):
be judged together as as a main story, even though
it's broken out kind of into four separate parts. So
I'm excited as a fan to have them all together.
And kind of like we saw us the story picked
up a year later. It brought us into where our
characters were, and it finished the arc of it. It's
kind of like the first show and you have like
the al Donnie arc and then that's then I moved

(14:04):
on to something else near the prison arc, et cetera.
This one, like the arc finished more, I think more
so than Season one did with their first three episodes,
because that was that was a little bit more world building.
And yeah, and so sure, as a podcaster that has
to review them, I would have, you know, enjoyed more
time to take it down episode by episode and talk

(14:25):
about this with my friends a little bit more. But
I think the fan is gonna win out in terms
of enjoying the the release schedule a.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Few different directions, right, like Acle, I like the that
one almost that show might have almost been better if
they released that all at once, right like, let's just
watch this all and honestly, even Skeleton Crew, right, I
wasn't anticipating big twists every week. I could have benched
that one too. But then you see like the ones
where it's great, like Obi Wan Soca and Mandalorian, where

(14:57):
you're just so much conversation in between each week, you know,
those are the ones where I'm waking up at four
in the morning and I don't I don't feel that excitement,
especially because.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
You're now now we get the nine pm, eight pm
for you different times, but now we get that that release,
which makes it so much better, so.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Much easier, because yeah, I just there was that time
where you just like you couldn't go on the internet
before an episode. So there's some frozen cons. But I
think for the at least for and Or, this makes
a lot of sense because I would have been so
unsatisfied with just that first.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Episode, Yeah, definitely would have been left hanging. Definitely. There's
some of the critique of this show overall and this
season also is that it's a little bit slow starting,
and I you know, honestly, I don't see it as
much because I'm I'm writing and invested, maybe because I
just rewatched season one and it's all there for me.

(15:51):
But like, if you just got that first episode and
didn't get anything else with that, yeah, you'd be disappointing.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I just hope they think about these release schedules show
by show, because when you have a Mandalorian, when you
have an obi Wan milk that thing, right, Like, we
all like, as a fan, I want to be enjoying
the show for eight weeks more than I want to
watch as much as I can right away.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
We don't know what's best for us. I mean, yeah,
give it to us all. We're gonna watch it all.
I'm gonna be like taping my eyes open to finish
eight episodes at once, but really, what I should get
is weekly, And.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I just hope that they look at each show as
it is and understand the strength and weaknesses of each delivery.
Method and do the right thing. But anyway, I think
now we should really get into the story beats and
go to our certain points of view.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
All right, do it. You're going to find that many
of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our
own point of view.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So I think we should really look at this from
a few different angles.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Right, Like, I guess what do we essentially have? Like
what five main characters? So you have Cassian and his
supporting characters, you have Luthan and his, you have Monmoth
on hers, and then I guess Al and Carn are
kind of together.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, So let's start with casting because you know, the
show is called and Or, but he probably has the
least of them in this first few episodes.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
And haven't we all been in casting and Or's place
when we've started any new Star Wars video game. Get
into that ship for the first time, and just make
ourselves look like a damn fool, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I like that they dropped the line later on that
that wasn't the ship that he planned for, so like
he he fully expected to know how to fly it
and what to do in there, and they had bad
intel or something.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, the Tiktoks and memes floating around of like, oh yeah,
whenever my controllers on inverted mode first, It's just we've
all been there.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
And in the midst of this, he shouts out a
word that I myself have shouted out plenty of times
playing video games. Have we gotten a human real curse
word in Star Wars before?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I mean, in our season one we got bastards. I
remember as a as a young man, thinking Han Solo
was such a scoundrel when he said.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Hell, yeah, I'll see you in Hell Yeah we got
Cassie and yelling shit.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Took me by surprise a little bit. I mean, it's
not a bad thing, but I I kind of enjoyed
when you get like Nerve Hurder or Dank Ferrick, there's
something like that. But uh no, if it's.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I know, we can't hit on every tiny beat
that happened. But like the lead in before that of
talking to that imperial worker of some kind and and
just like what it meant to be aiding the rebellion right,
like that that was so deep and like that just
brought me straight back into the show and what this

(18:51):
world is and what they're doing and to see Cassie
and grow.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Kind of from we're seeing him become a leader.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
And and but we're not he's still not that yet
that guy because the guy in Rogue one is jaded.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah he's not there yet, but this he's.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Like it's a hopeful like he's more of the jinnerso here.
He's like rebellions are built on hope, right, Like he's
just yeah, he is going from that like, oh, you're
doing such a great job. It's all worth it in
the end where he almost loses who he is by
the time we get to Rogo.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
What's great about and Or in particular the show is
it's showing all sides of it, like we're seeing now
she's this this pilot or I'm sorry, she's not a pilot.
She's she's a worker that's helping him as a pilot.
Now she's talking about how she enjoys her time there,
like she has this job on this planet and she's
got friends there, and but she knows she can see

(19:44):
what's going on is wrong. So she has to make
the choice to defect and help the rebel alliance here.
But it means it's hard for her because she's comfortable
and she's scared. And then on the other side of things,
you have man Mathma, who is in a position of
power and a position of prestige, and she is slow

(20:06):
We see her slowly coming to terms with what she's
going to have to do eventually and what she has
to be comfortable with because of how bad the empire is.
And then you have Andor who. What I love most
about his character in these first three episodes is we
learn how smart he really is, how street savvy he is,
and how talented he is, and how he just hasn't
cared before. Like he we found him in the beginning

(20:29):
looking for his sister, and then he was a reluctant
participant in the Aldanni heist, but he was super talented
and adaptable and knew what to do there and saved
them basically. And now we get to the point where
he's starting to buy in to the manifesto, he's starting
to buy into the cause, and he's starting to grow

(20:50):
a little bit. And he still he still cares about
his friends more than anything we saw, because he rushed
to save them once he heard that they might be
in danger, possibly risking the mission, which is to deliver
this ship. But we also saw him realizing the the
failures of the Maya Pay Brigade and seeing without a leader,

(21:11):
this is what can happen. This is these are the
rebel factions, and without someone stable at the top running
the show, these are lessons that he that we're seeing
him learn and take in, and then he becomes a
different person because of it, and we get to be
on that journey with him.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
We get to see the rebellion as a whole just
taking shape, and you know, like it's fun because we've
gotten to see some of it through rebels, right, But
in rebels it's still a much more coordinated and structured effort.
There's just somebody at the top kind of keeping them
separate for their own good.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Where and rebels we only see their perspective, though, yes,
and here here we're kind of seeing all the strings
being pulled from different different hands.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I almost feel foolish for every piece of Star Wars media,
especially like some legends things that talked about early rebellion,
like in March Madness we talked about the horse unleashed
games where you know, there's always a simple like and
this is how the rebellion was formed ending And I've
always been like, oh, yeah, that is that is just

(22:16):
how simple it is. And and this show just kind
of takes rips you out of that and say, no,
nothing is that simple to do something that they do
in that show. And then looking throughout our own history,
you know, looking at our own American resident Revolution and
all these things. You know, it's not just the oh
and the Founding Fathers got together a stcept the British
and then we all became a happy America. Like, no,

(22:37):
there was a lot that went into it. And this
show is just showing that from that Star Wars perspective.
And I'm here for every second of it me too.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I mean, this is this is like a historical documentary
about like the rise of the rebellion and the fall
of the empire, and it's it's so great to even
see the imperial side of things, like we can talk
about the Krenic and his secret meeting and the different
people they have involved it. The idea that they have
a ministry of enlightenment, like that's terrifying and fascinating all

(23:09):
at the same time that these guys are just milking
the propaganda and shaping thought. And I mean, look look
at how we are right now we have what eight
billion people on our planet and social media and news
outlets and things. Can you imagine being a galaxy full
planet upon planet upon planet and you have like what

(23:31):
one or two major news sources that you just have
to take as as truth or like the only message
you're hearing being pushed to you about something, because there's
a there's an an actual department where people are dedicated
to changing the message of how things go so that
you only see that that would make sense. Why in
only you know, such a short time, nobody knew what

(23:53):
Jedi were? Oh god, yeah, this the fact that, like
the Rebel Alliance were just seen as as terrorists and
minor uprising. A lot of people didn't even know they
existed because the Emperor, the Empire kept it squashed. Like
all this stuff is fascinating, the ib stuff, it's And.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Then to take the nuance and have me rooting for
Detra and and Zerril Cyril because those two crazy kids
are they're gonna make it one day and to see
her stand up to her toxic future mother in law
is just that's life.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
And I root for those characters together, but not into it,
not individually when they're by themselves and doing their things.
It's like, I hate them as bad as the bad
guys that they are, and I hope they fail. But
it's it's hard because you look at Dedra in particular,
and I don't know if she necessarily sees the morality
in it or not. I think she she fully believes

(24:47):
she's doing the right thing and bringing order and becoming
powerful in her own right. And Cyril, on the other hand, two,
he's just such a strict rule foler that he follows
things by blindly. Again him too, I don't I think
he's questioned the morality of the empire at all. And
so it makes these characters interesting. They can have hearts
of gold by the end of the show maybe.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
And maybe they don't because they're not going to give
that to us. They're not. Because I am. I am
rooting for those two kids.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I like them as a couple, yes, you know like and.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
You know if I was just like a distant relative
of them. You know what, I don't agree with the
current administration, but you know what, Hey, you're you're making
a nice career for yourself in our in our government here,
and I'm just proud of I mean, think about it
in realistic terms, right, pull ourselves out of the current
moment and just pick any time in political history and

(25:38):
you have a cousin and you hear, oh, they have
a nice job at the for the federal government, right,
and and oh they work in the president's office. Maybe
you didn't vote for that president. You're you're damn proud
of your cousin. Yeah, like wow, that's a that's an achievement.
And then you're like, oh, where's your morality in this?
Then then this whole thing comes in and you have
to think about all those deeper things that this show

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is just this is complicated.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, props to Detra because she didn't even fill Carnon
on what she did or where she was or what
she's doing, so that I wonder if that'll be interesting.
But he also, I think, knowing who he is and
respecting the title, I don't think he'd want to know.
I think, no, you can't tell me. I can't know that.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
What's the uncle's name, Uncle Harlow, Uncle Harlow. If I
have to hear about Uncle Harlow one more time, I
really feel for Cyril, like, you know, this is just
that mother son relationship. I just I look at that
and I'm like, oh, man, I just.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Feel yeah for sure. But hey, he found he found
his happiness, he did in her, and he got all
these promotions too. Let's talk a little bit about Luthen now,
Like Luthen ends up with an invite to the wedding,
and Mon's kind of surprised about that because Davo Skuldon
used him to purchase the gift that he's giving to

(26:57):
Lida and second and the Mathma family. But like, how
savvy of that is he knows that this is going
to be a social event with a lot of players,
like other senators and stuff. You see him just walking
around there, putting his aloof fliffy attitude around, like oh

(27:17):
what were you saying about that? Who did what? And
it's such a good cover for him because no one's
gonna suspect this is eccentric billionaire antique host or he's
just fascinated by stories and they're probably spilling all these
secrets to him that he's just secretly collecting in his mind.
I thought I thought that stuff was cool, and.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Those people are totally just you know, you're at a wedding.
Everybody has their guard down. This is you know, only
the elites are at something like this. You know, I'm
only saying this because we're relatively close to the Titanic
sinking anniversary and I always rewatch the movie and I
just picture like cal like when the boats going down.

(27:57):
He said, oh, half of the people are gonna die,
and he's like the better half. Like I feel like
that all these people have that smugness.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah. Absolutely, Oh yeah, it's the higher class. It's it's
the upper class to be able to have a wedding
and event of this, to be invited to something like this.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
You and for any of the other guests to even
consider that they're not on the same social status as me,
that's just preposterous. Let's just so they just all have
their card gown.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah. Where like maybe you're on the Senate floor and
the Senate hallways and then this guy comes up and as, oh,
what were you saying about this? You're gonna be a
little bit side. I like, no, don't worry about it.
But like here you're at a wedding at you're talking
shop with family and strangers, and.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Like mon mathma, you know that they're putting some tricks down.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, they're putting they're putting them down, like take Homa,
but like that that's the catalyst of it all. So
you have take Homa who in season one he warns
man Mathma that she might not like how extreme he
is in his political viewings when really finding out that
he does. I don't think he actually finds out, but
like she she's the head of this rebel alliance or

(29:01):
this rebel thing. She's funding it and everything, and so
they get you know, he gets involved a little bit.
But by the time we see him in season two,
his side of things has Soured's like his wife's left him,
he's losing money, and now he's like depressed about it
all and he's thrown out like what if scenarios, And
I think he feels like underappreciated by Mom Mathla in

(29:23):
particular and not understanding the full scope of things, and
that makes him dangerous.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Mm hmm, oh absolutely, yeah, that's just.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Like what's he gonna spout out when he's had too
many squigs.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I know you were joking a little bit, but like
that's my second favorite thing about the show, all of
the small things, like this was the first thing we
got Calf and We're just getting so many day to
day life things like yeah, there's the death sticks and
the you know, you can see people drinking in things
in Star Wars, but like they take that effort to
go a little bit more detailed in the world building,

(29:57):
like that interesting dance at the beginning of the wedding, right,
Like all of this stuff is like unnecessary detail. You
did not have to go that far, but it just
makes everything so much more real livting.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Can you imagine being the art director that has to
plan this wedding and so, okay, we need alien ceremony
and dance virtuals with that, So like, can you do
like this funky dance thing cut off a little piece
of your hair? I can only imagine like creating that
world there and creating that ceremony.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I just love every little thing, so like squit, like
every little thing is so thought out, but it you
don't bad and I because it's just so like, oh, okay,
this is their world. I get it. But that's what
helps you buy in so much quick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Absolutely, But then like wrapping up take home. Honestly, I
feel bad saying this. I kind of cheered a little
bit when you see him getting into his car and
you realize that Sinta is his driver. I was like, oh,
they're gonna get him because I because I want the
Rebel Lions to succeed. But in the end, he's just
a sad, depressed man who got caught up in something
bigger than him and got put in a bad position.

(31:01):
Now he's he's going to die for it. You didn't,
you feel a little bad, but he Now he's going
to become a casualty. And this is going to mean
more to man Mathna because he's a childhood friend and
this is going to really demonstrate to her a little
bit more of the seriousness of what they're in.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And emphasize her commitment to her cause.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, it also could potentially, I mean, she's got to
know what's going to happen, but it could potentially drive
a little wedge between her and Luthen two mm hm,
oh absolutely, Like who really holds the power between the
two of them.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
So fascinating about the show is we know Cassie and
where he is at the end of the show, we
know Matha where she is, you know, all the way
to becoming Chancellor of the New Republic. That's it. Cranic
but like anybody else, it's all fair gay of how

(31:53):
how it goes, and you know whether or not they die,
whether or not they're you know more or key pieces
where kind of like Captain Rex where people are saying, oh,
he was actually at the Battle of Endor. You know,
we could have people like that in this show. Yeah,
but we have no idea.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, and I mean if we're if we're just like
speculating on that a little bit. We lost Brasso, that
was we can talk about that in a minute, But
like I think, I don't think he'll be the last
one I could. I could see even Luthan being a potential.
We lose him in the show somehow.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Well, and this is a prequel to Rogue one where everyone.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Dies, everyone dies, but he also he was he wasn't
in Rogue one. Yeah, And you would think because they're
showing they showed the leadership on Gavin, but he showed
where Sagerera ended up. And those are all of his
pieces that he was putting together. And he clearly must
be familiar with Yavin because the Maya pay brigades there.

(32:54):
It's used as a transfer point for his crew, so
he's got to know he's gonna be I think I
think he's not long for this world because of that reason,
because's not in Rogue one and this literally leads into
it and he feels, Yeah, but I you know, I
could see him making a making a sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, absolutely, we'll see. He's if anybody would. He is
the type that cares about the cause.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Uh, let's see cleaning up a couple other points the
Maya pay Brigade. I found that comical. Didn't It didn't
take me out of anything. Obviously, you want you want
Cassie to get out of there and do the things
he had to do. But just the fact that he
played them so elegantly from start to finish, like he
kept himself as a prisoner. He sat in the back

(33:44):
and just let them arguing, bicker, and then when it
came time, like they needed something important to do, he'd
be like, uh, you should probably do this. Oh yeah yeah,
And then he saw his moment. His gun was right
there the whole time, busted it out of the hull
of his ship, and toilf.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
They need a battlefront update after this too. Now that
we know this planet was Yavin, I want the what
was the creature?

Speaker 1 (34:10):
The like the monster that attack.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, what was that?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I did they give it a name? I don't. I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I shrieked cock. I just feel like after that whole thing,
it was it was fun seeing like a learning that
there was a different part of JAVN and I need
some map updates and I want that that creature, just as.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
We can get some mon month. On a second, let
let's just briefly talk about what has unfortunately become probably
the most controversial part of this episode. It's it's the
attempted rape by an imperial officer on an undocumented worker.
Mm hmm and uh. He's in a position of power
and he sees an attractive woman tries to take advantage

(34:53):
of it. I know that there's there's a lot of
backlash on the internet going on about this right now. Frankly,
I don't understand why. I personally thought that they did
it very Nothing was gratuitous, nothing was over the top,
And I think this makes complete sense for what someone
with a little bit of power and no oversight, who
would potentially.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Do the only critique I would have and maybe I
missed it before o'bi wan Kenobe episodes with order sixty six,
there were some trigger warnings about violence to children. I
could see that, like, if that's the you know, there's
definitely some trigger warnings here because if somebody's been in
that real situation, this could definitely be a triggering thing.

(35:34):
But the story they're telling is one of, like you said,
somebody in a person in a position of power taking
advantage of somebody. And it's just such a sad and
true thing that is within our society, especially in something
a story like this, and that was hard to watch,
and it shows the real life stakes because that imperial

(35:56):
officer had no idea she's acting in alongside of rebellion.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, he thought she was just a married woman like
whose husband was away working in the fields.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
And it shows what they're fighting for.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I mean, it shows absolutely.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
The type of government and just forced that they're fighting.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
I just feel so bad that it had to happen
to my girl Bicks after she was already having those nightmares. Yeah,
she's been through it.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I mean they played in those seats early. You know,
I watch episode two and I'm like, oh, this guy's
a creepy Yeah. Yeah, he kept saying her husband, Okay,
he's not here. A trigger warning type of warning that
they the Disney Plus puts on plenty of their shows
may have been appropriate, but yeah, it's this show shows
a lot of the unspoken in dark parts of Star Wars,

(36:42):
right and right.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I mean the first season we saw that, you know,
they're upping prison sentences for essentially jaywalking or just being
in the wrong place at the wrong time, and to
the point where these prisoners are worked to the bone
killed if they don't you know, if they don't listen
or they get out of bed, and then you know,
essentially they were never going to get released from prison.

(37:04):
And on top of that, we saw we saw young
children being murdered in front of us by our presumed
hero at the time, we've seen a gigantic hut who
his entire life is for his own entertainment, take some
a prisoner and dress her up attractively and put her
right in front of him to be his. We call

(37:25):
her slave Lea for a reason. Like this stuff happens
in the show, it's not new to Star Wars, which
is what some of the argument has been.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, it's I can't say it any better than that.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, all right, So that's that's the downside. Let's talk
about mon Mathma. Now, I know, we we've talked bits
and pieces here and there. We got some great scenes
with her and Velle talking. We got that fantastic scene
with her and her daughter just before she gets married
and kind of projecting a little bit of her own
fears onto her. And you know, going back to the

(37:59):
moment that she got Mary herself and her mother was
drunk and didn't give her the support she needed. So
she's trying to give that for Lda, and whereas Leda
is just like, no, like I want this. I wish
you would just be supportive instead of there, yeah, I
wish you were drunk.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And it's almost the guilt of you know, what she
knows she's doing with her with her family for her cause,
right which almost just.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
You know, you think about it, Lda's probably probably better
off for being in this marriage and you know, starting
to have her life alone and be kind of away
from the stuff that her mother's doing. But you know, selfishly,
in that moment, she sees her young daughter like becoming
an adult and she's potentially losing a portion of her
and she has a moment of weakness where you don't
have to do this, but more so that's probably also

(38:44):
for herself, like, yeah, I wish I could just stay
in this life with you.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, and they gave us a season one to show
us that marriage that she has, yes, where you can
see that socially, you know what she outwardly shows, but
it's not a marriage of you know that we in
our society would would see if you know, it's like
a mutual mutual love and respect, right, it's a marriage
for status and in politics, if you will. And she's

(39:12):
giving her daughter the same thing she has, but her
daughter's I mean, and teenagers hate their parents. Like that's
just you know, if if her mom would have said
the app if her mom would have showed up trunk,
it would have been the opposite situation, right right right,
you know. It's just the way that things are sometimes,
and but it hits her and it was it was

(39:32):
hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
The last scene of that third episode was just just
powerful and like the way it ends on mon Mathemas
seeing the situation she's in, the tough decisions they have
to make about take home, everything coming to her head,
her daughter just got married. Uh, you know, all of
this is there, and she just gets to lose herself
for for a time and not have to keep that
face up, like you constantly see her going from one

(39:56):
side of herself to the other where it's like she's
got her political face on, being some friendly to everything,
and then she turns the corner and she's just so
stressed and worried about all the other things that they
have going on and the other things they have to
worry about, and she just does lines up the shots
and just dances her heart out. And that's how that's
how this this string of episodes ends, this movie.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Just to have a few drinks and go dance. That's
that's it.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, like that's it. I just think that's a fantastic
way to end this first arc because we know, as
Star Wars fans and the things that we know that
this is about to get way worse before it ever
gets better. We know that all of these characters are
going to struggle and have tough times and rough things,
and it just ends in a moment of pure bliss.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
And I'm just so glad that they've leaked out that
the time progression we're going to have, because could you
imagine not knowing this watching these three episodes and then
they're like one year later.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah. Yeah, like the fact that we know what it's
leading up to, and and the fact that you know,
we were discussing off screen a little bit what we
know happens to mon Mathma from watching the Rebels series.
We know that in two years before the Battle Yevn,
the Gorman Massacre takes place, which has been hinted at
and set up in this series of episodes by Crenic,

(41:18):
and we know that that's a trigger point for mon
Mathma to lead to give her speech supporting the rebellion
and leave the Senate. And now now it's like, okay,
are we going to get that? Are we going to
see that side of it? We saw some of it
from Rebels, We saw the other side of it.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Why put mont Mathma in the show if you're not
going there? Right?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Like, yeah, yeah, you have all The other thing too,
is we were talking about you have all the live
action Rebels crew cast. Pretty much you have. They're on
set doing Ahsoka season two. Everyone except for kanaan Jaris,
which come on, Freddy Prince Jr. He would he'd be
right there for you.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And he could be here.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
No he would, no, No, he was there. He was
there for this yeah when the Rebels crew saved her. Yeah, yeah,
oh yeah. You know who else was there? This character Erskin,
who gets introduced to us in this episode. It's kind
of like he's a senatorial attache and uh Mon was
introducing him like, I guess his mother's from his mother,

(42:16):
and father's from Naboo and the other ones from Gorman.
So Gorman Massacer is gonna head home a little bit
for him, and we see him get rescued with her.
So that's exciting.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Last season, we were just talking about how this show
is so anti traditional Star Wars but yet being so
Star Wars all at the same time.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
M h.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
And I'm curious if as this season goes on, things
start to get more and more familiar every arc where
you know, are we gonna see Lightsaber in this show?
It'll be Luthen's. But like, there's so many questions I have,
Like A, I don't need any cameos, right like mon
mothmas enough, but like, are we gonna get Leah? Are

(42:53):
we gonna get all these things? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I just all right. So we're at the point where
we're we're about to give her ulling, So let's before
we do that let's give our speculations about what we
think may or may not happen. I don't think you'll
see Lea because you didn't even really see her in
Rogue One either until the end. Like it seems like
at this point Bail is keeping her separate and Rogue.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
One is just such a perfect hand off. Yes to
the fun I think I almost want to preserve what
our main cast is in the handoff that happens, you know,
between Rogue One and a New Hope, but crazy predictions.
I want you McDermott. I want some kind of Palpatine

(43:34):
public speech, or at least just like a Senate speech.
I know, he he, you know, there's a lot of like, oh,
he doesn't go to public anymore.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
But I I don't want to. I don't want to
ruin it for you. And we can always take this
with a grain of salt. But Tony Gilroy did say
he there's there won't be any Vader or the Emperor
in the show. Now. Maybe he's saying it to throw
us off.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Andrew Garfield said the same thing.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
But he was I mean, he was saying in an interview,
he was talking about how it becomes much more difficult
once you bring Vader in. And they thought about doing
the emperor, like having him be in the Senate and
stuff like there, but the story they're trying to tell
is better having him being looming from the background. Okay,
but like we saw you Lauren last time. Yeah, we're
seeing Krenick and credit is great. Maybe we'll see Tarkan.

(44:21):
Yeah maybe not because he was he was kind of talking.
Seemed kind of like an introduction in Rogue one. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Have you read Catalyst.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I don't want to spoil it. It's just really good
book of critics. Kind of a main character.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Okay, So I'm really.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Excited to learn more about him because and his voice,
like his character just with one movie is just so
easy to picture, and it's just you could you know
exactly who he is immediately, and it's just I love
him as a character and his self importance.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
You see him kind of get owned in Rogue one,
like he's he's almost the butt of the joke all
the time, or like the guy that tries too hard
or everything. It's nice to see him here like established
and powerful and smart, because he had to get to
that position somehow.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Oh, yeah, like he had some justification in like this
is my achievement.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
He I love him as a character. I think he's
really interesting and I'm just glad we get to spend
more time with him and and also just the actor.
I'm pretty sure what Ben mendels Yes, where he just
he was like, can I have a cap? Respect the
hell out of that. Like everybody, you know, everybody wants
a cape. You know, my son talks about it all
the time, like, Daddy, can I wear a cape? Today?

(45:35):
And I just want to say yes every.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Day, Sam Jackson, I want a purple lightsaber.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, that's just you get to do what you want.
And capes are cool. Purple lightsabers are cool. How we
needed somebody with a purple lightsaber and a cake? Is
that Revan?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Pretty much? Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Maybe time for a ruling.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, let's consult the Jedi Council. I must speak with.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
The Jedi Council immediately. The situation has become much more complicated.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
All right, so we have to decide who gets to
go first? Should be roxy rules. I wish I paid
more attention when they're when they're doing the thing. It's
like it reminded me a lot of the Big Bang theory.
When they turned rock paper scisors into rock paper, it's
like because they're doing like the hands like lizards. I

(46:22):
thought that was that was a nice little thing. So
we got rock paper scissors now in uh in Star
Wars along with it with a shaven haircut. Is that
that knock?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Alright?

Speaker 1 (46:31):
We saw introduced Now we have rock paper scissors. Anyways,
I will uh, I will let you go. You go first.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
It's a first episode. I think we've all probably given
masters on the first episode. I'm I'm excited to see
what's coming forward. This feels in line with the last season.
This does not feel at all like the third season trap, right,
Like you have those good shows where they wrote like
two seasons and you know that the good stuff is
coming Mandalorian Arrow, the connection that keV pointed out, I'll

(47:00):
never not see now. Yeah, I think this is this
is a master. It's just jump right back in. You
see the growth, you see everything. I mean, I'm just
I'm upset. I can't keep watching, even though I've already
said that I like my week to week shows just
because of my own schedule. But you know what, I
can contradict myself every day, So that's fine.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I'm master for me as well. I'm gonna be honest,
until this moment where we just said or you were
giving your rating, I had not even considered a rating.
Like to me, it's just that's just what it was. Yeah,
I absolutely love the show. It's it's some of my
it's hard to say favorite because my favorite character is
not even in this show. But it's very great storytelling,

(47:43):
very well done. It's character there's a lot of characters
who we never even knew existed that our main characters
now that we'd love, and they're weaved in nicely with
characters that have been around but we didn't maybe know
too much about this show, probably had the capacity to
to be bad like they could have. They could have
not done this well and it could have not had

(48:04):
to mind it. But I think universally people understand whether
you love it as your favor or not, this is
this is probably the best of the Star Wars TV
shows that we've gotten, and it continues to be that
in season two so far, best in terms of like
most well done yes that.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Mandalorian did for Star Wars culture cannot be topped.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, but like like we we say, season three drops
off for there we have bones to pick with, like
you know what they did moving a book of Bulba fat.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
But moments in time, there's Star Wars the original trilogy
coming out. There's like the Phantom Menace premiere.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Oh yeah, sure, then you have like.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Force Awakens, then you have I may have been skipping
Revenge of the Sith. Revenge the Sith is great, It's
my favorite.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
But going back to our much manness categories, like you
have like the the story and the characters, how well
they're done. I think that this show is tops for that.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Oh absolutely, And then you have like rev.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
This ability where I would say this is potentially lower
and then the lower world building side of things. This
is great, but like honestly, as much as we're seeing
the background exploring it, this is this is taking already
established story and filling in background. So this is not
necessarily doing as much as the world building an impact.

(49:20):
It's more playing within an already established environment and doing
it very well.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
We need a test.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Whereas the Mandalorian is kind of like that was like
new that was we're creating it like you said, it
brought us all back.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
It Yeah, so that's gonna be like the top five
snapshot moment in Star Wars history. Mandalorian is this. Yeah,
I want to get a test subject where we just
find somebody and just say, who has never even heard
of Star Wars and just watch this show with no
other context and just let us know if this is Oh.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I would love to know, like can you can you
follow all this? Like does it all make sense?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I just start watching because it just seems like a
well constructed show. My wife knows too much about Star Wars,
as we said from the top, because I forced certain
things upon her with watching it. But this sounds like
the random books she's always reading, these stories about other
societies post apocalyptic like this, This this show like feels
like just jumping right into like hunger games are divergent, right,
Like yeah, I feel like this is like one of

(50:16):
those post apopocalyptic worlds where you have to just jump
into the society. So I'd be interested to see somebody
who we can find somebody who just doesn't know what
Star Wars is. I would make them watch the show.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yeah, that'd mean I would be fascinated to hear that
we should we should find somebody and then have an
episode of the podcast talking to them about it.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Mark that down for later. All right, let's hand out
some awards. Who do you nominate for MVP.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
It's tough because it was so much time we watched,
but so like it felt like such a short snapshot
in their lives. You know what, I'm going to go
out of the box here. No, I'm not. I'm gonna
say that person for another awards. Let's just I'm gonna
nominate Cassian.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
So I would I would probably nominate Mam Mathma for
this first section of it, because I think I think
we're gonna get much more Cassian as it goes on.
But also I loved every piece of casting that we got,
so like how he got out of being a hostage,
how he like made up for not knowing what to

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do with the ship and got out of there, and
then how he went back and saved his friends. So,
Cassie and and Or is our MVP for the show.
And Or, which makes sense?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Right, yep?

Speaker 1 (51:30):
All right? Who is your comeback player?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
My comeback player is because I just I wasn't thinking
about him like coming back into the show. I was
just like, oh yeah, that was like my mathma, Cassie
and like the people we just talked about. But then
as soon as Luthen was back on my screen, I
was like, you are such an enigma to me. I
want to know everything about you, but I don't get
to yet. I was just so happy to have him back.
That's that's mine.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, I get co signing that I had, you know,
I had Sinta for how powerful was just seeing her
like you she did. She said like two background lines
that you didn't hear. She wasn't involved in that, but
just the powerfulness of the fact that that's her, that
Belle saw her after not knowing where she was, Like
Luthen wouldn't tell her, but she was there the whole time,

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and maybe not the whole time, maybe he called her in.
But what she meant for when she came back, and
what she means now for like the future of take
Home then there.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Oh y well, thank you for co signing. I really
needed this.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
On People say that now, that's that's a that's a
that's a you're younger than me. You should know this.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
My sister's like ten years younger than me, but she
won't tell me what the kids are saying these days,
when I asked her a question, she just rolls her
eyes and will answer me.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
So, all right, who is your rookie? I mean, there's
not many er skin but I don't I don't know
if he did enough to warrant it. I feel like
he's gonna be coming back later. You want to say,
like Krenick, but we saw.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
We gotta go back to we haven't seen Rogue one.
We haven't seen Rogue one yet and we were coveredage.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
On the show.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Go Krenick.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Okay, We'll say Krenick is the rookie because also this
is this is more of an introduction to him, and
we we'll probably get more like background as to who
he is and what he means. Next, we have our
skin Award.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
So I'm going to nominate the loser of this award
because we know who the winner of the Skin Award is.
Because I just want to just take one more opportunity
to how much to say how much I hate serious.
I just don't like her. Just a manipulative lady who
just has lots of things to say about her son
and it's just not nice. But the real skin Award, Chris.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
So you want to say it's the officer Kroll. Is
that what we're hitting for sure? It's perfect scheme. Uh.
It's funny that I didn't even think about him, like
I'm just like glad he's dad or anything about that.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
He doesn't get the he doesn't get the Wight Award,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
No, no, absolutely no, I was I was thinking, like,
take home a little bit skeenish, but you know, the
end of the day, he it's not really Skien. So
I let's say.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
In the Skin Award originated in and Or. Let's just
remember that.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, it's true for Ski. Yeah, yeah, let's give it
to Kroll. I mean, Edie is definitely an honorable mention.
It's awful, but like she might be a little bit
more lovely now that she's got this daughter in law.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
That's maybe she'll figure her fingers out, but I don't know.
Toxical comes out.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
And lastly, we have the Waighte Award. This is hands
down on the runaway. We know who this is. This
is this is our dear friend Brasso, who even to
the end, he made sure to go out of his
way to help out that that local farmer that was
helping him, employing him to clear his name and just.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
To like see where they're at in this where Cassian
doesn't can't take a moment like you want a more
but gotta move on, We gotta we we.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
It's how much this affected Cassian that that really sells
it for it, Like, yeah, he's broken over it. I
mean you got the tears when they're flying away, and
essentially it was all of that could have been preventable.
The little kid Will just had to go say goodbye
to his love. That set everything in a motion that
left Bix by herself. They weren't able to get away

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in time, and then Brasso had to go looking for
him and put him in the position where he was.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah, it just elevates the stakes.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And I'm glad that that Bix is still alive. Poor
went out for Brasso. All right to the tally board.
We have a few entries for this show, and as always,
there are probably something that we missed, So if you
have something that we don't mention, please let us know
so we can built in the gaps. I have plus
four cannon immigrants, which brings us a total of sixty

(55:43):
and a half for our show now, the first one
being the tie Avenger that was in the Star Wars
tie fighter game back in what late nineties, early thousands,
late nineteen hundreds, on that same vein the planet sign Our,
I seen our signer. It's sie Nar. That facility is

(56:04):
also from a lot of Legends that showed up a
lot of times. It's also been in the Clone Wars
a few times too. The next one is a bit
of a question mark, but we were discussing it before
we started recording, and we think we're going to include it.
The planet Shandrilla. So this is a planet that was
in a lot of legend stuff because that's where mon
Mathma is from. But I don't think it was ever

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established in the original trilogy that she was from there.
I think that was a Legends background that carried over
to this story now of her. And we've heard a
lot of talk about Shandrilla, but because we actually visited here,
we're going to count it. And I'll yes, you know,
Rebels talked about it before. I'm sure it was mentioned

(56:47):
in the Clone Wars et cetera. But this is the
first coverage that we have on our show. That's why
we're counting here. And lastly, a canon immigrant for there's
talking about the gift that lou Within brought from DeVos Skulden.
When they're talking about the history of that piece and
how there's only a certain amount of them laughed and
how they got him back. They mentioned that some of

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them are stolen by Rakatan invaders, and if you've played
Nights of the Old Republic, you know there's a lot
of Rakatan talk there. You even go and and fight
them yourselves. That's a plus one for that. And then
we also get a plus one for monster attack, because
it would not be Star Wars without a monster attack.
And whatever those beasts were on Yavin that attack, what

(57:31):
did you say, they were shriek cocks or something like that.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Shriek hawk.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah, shreek cock And if you say that too fast,
it sounds inappropriate. So plus one Monster attack. That brings
us a thirty six. That is our first round of
and or coverage for season two.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
And uh in Kev's honor. I hope he's feeling well soon.
He has been under the weather today. I have prepared
a choke.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Well good because I also did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Excellent, Let's see who is better. What do you call
five syths piled on top of a lightsaber.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Oh my god, I got this, but go ahead give.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
It to me, sith Gobat.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
All right, here's mine. Why doesn't Yoda ever use a GPS?
I don't know, because wherever he goes, there he is.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Well. I think this just says that we need keV Beck.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yes, have we message you? Owe us an extra joke
next time for me.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Too, because everybody had to listen to our two jokes.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
And uh, we'll continue with our androw coverage. But until then,
May the Force be with you.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And always hold on to Star Wars.

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