078: Andor, "Ever Been to Ghorman?" / "I Have Friends Everywhere" / "What a Festive Evening"

Kevonte, Chris and Joey discuss the second batch of episodes of Andor season 2: Ever Been to Ghorman?, I Have Friends Everywhere and What a Festive Evening. They talk the time jumps between arcs, Saw Gerrera's return, and how deep, layered, and the layered, intricate story.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome to always hold them Star Wars because just with
the Internet needed another podcast talking about Star Wars. Happy
Star Wars Day, everyone.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
May the fourth be with you. Good morning, Chorusson.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
So I'm well, thank you guys so much for the
well wishes last episode.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'm well.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm one of your hosts, Cavante, and I am here
with my two buds, mister Chris.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Hello there, and Joey.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
And of course you guys are back listening to this
episode because you know, we were talking about something that
I had to listen to you guys geek about and
be sad because I had no voice to do.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
So we definitely missed you, man.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
But my voice is back now and I got to watch.
I watched all the episodes laying in bed, wrapped up
in a blanket. But it was it was It was
the best way I could have spent my time being sick.
So we're gonna talk about some more and or man,
how how how excited are you guys to get into
some more and or I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
I will talk about this as much as John I
cannot get enough conversation about the show.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
I really enjoyed you guys' conversation. It was a bummer.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I was trying to like push off my sickness until
the recording all day. I was like, I'm going to
be there, guys, and then eventually got to a point
where I couldn't stop coughing, and I was like, I
can't make you edit that, so I I I took
one for the team, I guess. But everything you guys
said last episode I was like waiting to say to
you got like it was.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It was an amazing I really enjoyed listening to you
guys talk about it. I'm excited just to be a
part of this these episodes talking to you guys about it.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
You got anything to mention that we missed or any
thoughts that you want to throw out there about the
first two episodes, No, I just any award votes that
you would do differently, No.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
No, like like like like genuinely everything you guys, uh,
you know, even even down to how well you guys
spoke about you know, the the quote unquote the controversy
of the first couple of episodes. I really appreciated how
well that was handled and how you guys talked about it,
because I agree. Everything about this show is just making me, like,
you know, we had talked about, you know, Skeleton Crew
kind of making that child like Wonder comeback, and it's

(02:35):
it's it's it feels like that with and Or although
it's not like targeted towards like a watch with your
kids maybe, but it's making me fall in love and
really wish I can go there again, you know, just
seeing daily life like how similar but extravagant it is.
I really want to go there, and it's just making
and the more I just got to like realize that

(02:56):
I'm here and not there. It's like, man, I mean,
even with that evil Empire and everything going on there,
I'd rather be there because least they have cool stuff.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
I finished watching these episodes and I have to like
immediately go outside and take a walk or do something
that that like reminds me that I don't I'm not
in this that's not real.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I need to get back to my real life.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Because it feels it feels so real and lived in
and I think this is Uh. This show, in this
particular season, has been one of the best two you
have that come across We've had some great we've had
some Guitar Wars shows, and we've had some good Star
Wars movies. We've had some okay ones, and we know
you guys have been with us on the pod. But
this is just like for me another level. I can't

(03:40):
get enough of this Star Wars. I can't believe I
can enjoy this, this many hours of Star Wars without
seeing a lightsaber or anyone push anything with the force
and just not be bothered by that.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
So that's great world building and great character writing. So
I'm on board. I love it.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
So my first three episodes they were masters everyone's MVPs
man great. I'm flying high because I trust this show
is not gonna let me down, you know.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
Oh yeah, I don't know if you guys get into
the hyperfixation side of things, where like, yeah, Star Wars
is a part of my life right like there's ways
something there, but like right now I'm feeling feeling it
creeping back in, Like, oh, I'm this is going to
be another like four years of just like all Star
Wars all the time, where like time period like I
moved into my house about a year a little over

(04:31):
a year ago, and I've still got like a box
of legos just sitting over there, and this show has
me like, I'm just gonna grab some Star Wars lego
start putting those together. I'm playing like Star Wars music
on the background at work a little bit more than
I used.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
To, and playing it at the bar too. Yeah, no, no,
this actually needs to come out right now, go for it.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
I was at a my cousin's bachelor party over the weekend,
just to you know, just playing some pool at a
local bar, and I open up touch Tunes, as I'm
not to do, and there was an ad on touch
Tunes that said, hey, celebrate May the fourth. I took
a screenshot and sent it to these guys. I was like, oh, hey,
look at this. And Chris looks at the screen shot,
sees what bar I'm at, and then I look up

(05:11):
and all of a sudden, I hear the Imperial March
and the canteena band playing in the background. Chris, from
hundreds and hundreds of miles away is packing into the
local bar. I also, right now, I'm wearing a Star
Wars Hawaiian shirt. Friday night, I was wearing a Superman
Hawaiian shirt. That's just kind of my thing, and for
some reason they identified the nerd in the in the audience,

(05:33):
and somebody cornered me by the end of the night
and they're like, stop playing Star Wars music. Oh no,
Like this isn't my normal bar, like but my family
regularly goes there. And they were like, they're like, you
cannot mess with the regulars here. I'm going to get
in trouble. So I had a text prison like I'm out.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Either way, best seven dollars I ever spent. That was awesome,
but anyway, so and or and all.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Right, you guys you want to get into it?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yes? Please?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
All right?

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Kessel Rundown of Season two episodes four through six and
or Season two episodes four through six were released on
April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. They were written by
Bo Willeman and directed again by Ariel Kleiman. First episode four,

(06:26):
titled Ever Been to Gorman. One year after the incident
on Mina Row, Cassian and Bix have become active operators
for Luthen and hide out on Coruscant, though Bix is
still beset by nightmares of Gorst. On Gorman, the Empire
begins building an armory Cyril with Dedra and party gazes
Backing takes up a position on Gorman and pretends to

(06:47):
be sympathetic to the rebels cause to feign being successfully recruited.
Upon learning from Jung that Dedra is secretly working on
the planet, Luthen sends Cassian to assess the rebels. Willman
is tasked with teaching one of sas men named Plutie
to work a ridonium extractor as part of a fuel heist.

(07:08):
Mon Mathma unsuccessfully attempts to rally support to kill the
renewal of a bill giving broad power to the isb
renewal of the bill that extended prison sentence the PRD.
That was a nice callback to season one fact they're
still working there, Fix and Cassie and are on Coruscant
because that was another planet that comes up that we

(07:29):
see them on. But we didn't get the title to
the title little title screen that they're still using.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
So if we don't get a title screen, it's going
to be in planet.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
We know, yeah, or something that that's like a secret
mm hmm. Episode five titled I Have Friends Everywhere. Clia
learns that Davos Sculden intends to search his gallery room
after one of his pieces turns out to be a forgery,
threatening to expose a bug that she planted in the
room and forcing her to extract it. During his upcoming
investiture party, and Or connects with the Gorman Rebels and

(07:59):
learned that they play plan to intercept a weaponshipment, but
he deems them too inexperienced and shoot down the plan,
much to their frustration. Cyril reports back to Chorussant with
news of the heist, with Partigas and Dedra agreeing to
let it go through to empower and control the rebels.
Saw kills Pluti after learning that he's a trader and

(08:20):
has woman work with the extractor on the heist instead.
Episode six, titled What a Festive Evening, Cassian insists that
the Gorman Rebels are unprepared and argues with Luthen upon
learning that he has attempted to persuade Bix to return
to action. Luthan chastises him for his short sighted vision
and instead sends Vell and Sinta to help the Gorman

(08:41):
Rebels pull off the heist. Vell and Cinta fully reconcile
and rekindle their romance. The heist is successful, but Cinta
is accidentally killed by one of the fighters due to
a passerby's interference, much to Vell's despondence, as she holds
the fighter accountable since he ignored the orb or not
to bring any blasters on one note, like why would

(09:02):
you not bring blasters to something like this? But on
the other note, if they specifically said don't bring blasters,
why we can get into that. At the investiture party
hosted by Davos, Skulden, Krenick and Mathma calmly debate. Meanwhile,
Claya manages to extract the bug using Lannie as a distraction.
Bix and Cassian break into Gorst's new office and use

(09:24):
his own torture device on him, and as they walk away,
they detonate a bomb in the office, killing Gorse and
ending the episode with that cool cool people walk away
from explosion don't explosions And that's our cassel rundown.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Is there anything that I missed?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
No, I mean not that I think the top of
my head.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
The only thing I know is that as they walked
away from the explosion in the episode went office, oh man,
Like every time the show we have like man.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
Well, and it's not even that I want to like
keep watching. It's more of like and we're gonna jump
another year.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
And yeah, like I started out by saying, I love
this that we get a full three episodes and live
in these things. But I could take full seasons of
the show for each of this year. I could see
them do like half our forty minutes of planning and
do like a little highest and then move on or
then the next episode you got sas this could be
a full twenty episode season where maybe we get like

(10:17):
four to five episodes of each time period because we're gonna,
like you said, we're gonna jump a year and pick
this all up somewhere else. Also, does this show like
plan at the end of each of the of the
arcs to kill off a main character.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
I think, So I'm not ready for that. We have
to whittle this cast down to just Cassie. And by
the time we get to Mathma uh bail Organa, uh
saw big.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
K K two s O, Yeah, what's gonna happen to Bix? Guys?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, I don't know why. I just had that realization, like,
oh no.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
She's not with him in Rogue one, but he's also
doing like urgent things.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Maybe she's somewhere else living happily ever.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
After, don't Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course I.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Hope So either that or she needs to go out
in the blaze of glory.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah yeah, bixed characters not going out quietly or you know, weekly.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
We're getting into speculation here, but yeah, let's dive into
our certain points of view. Look, you're going to find
that many of the truths we cling to depend brickly
on our own point of view.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
This is just too much to pack into one episode.
That's where I'm at. I'm still like struggling. I'm glad
that we're turning these around quickly, but man, it is
it is a task to get through all three of these.
Like I in this show, I kind of want to
watch them over and over before recording because I try
to try to catch things and I just there's no
chance that's happening for me.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
In particularly in an episode four, I love seeing mon
Mathla trying to recruit other senators to get these votes
about Gorman and everything like that, and like how she's like,
it's hard to be like the very real, you know,
feeling of like what this feels like, because sometimes we
like when Star Wars kind of feels like real life
for the toime. We like when Star Wars shows some
other thing in real life, but just seeing like the

(12:10):
frustration with trying to like how powerless she is with
the power she has, makes sense to why she is
doing what she is doing in the first place. But
I still love that she's still trying to do it
the right way to Yeah, you know, like she hasn't
all like given up and she said, I'm just gonna
just blow this whole thing up. She's still trying.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Well, that's what that was a big thing for me
that kind of clicked this episode because I'm watching this
and I just can't wait until she breaks away and
starts the rebel alliance and goes see Yavin and leads
them from there. Yeah, but I'm not thinking about the
fact that this entire time that is probably not even
a thought in her head. She's not gonna go off
and lead a rebellion on her She probably thinks that

(12:49):
she's just going to continue to work as hard as
she can to make change in the Senate, within the
system that they are. She's not thinking overthrow and.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Just yeah, that's that's Luthen's thing, you know, She's like,
I gotta do this this way, and just watching her
get like roadblock after roadblock, watching that frustration mount up.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Do you think he's thinking about that as well? Because
I we get to the point I think it's the
next the fifth and sixth episode where they potentially are
talking about what if they have to blow up their
whole cover scenario, because there they're buddet like, do you
think that they're they're even considering that they may have
to leave corussant and and go ahead into hiding and

(13:29):
maybe run from a base as well. I don't even
know if they if they're considering that, if they're just thinking,
maybe we can keep destabilizing the government and eventually enough
people will rise up and it'll go back to the
way it was.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
I was gonna say, yeah, just this conversation makes me
like nothing has changed from the point where the republic
falls too, because it's so easy to see how this
looks like the same exact system. We just are calling
our government a different thing because it starts out, you know,
heroes and villains on both sides, you know, and the
way it carries in and yeah, there are some bad
people in the in the rebellion too, who we like

(14:02):
you wouldn't want you know, is a part of your
your movement as you will. But it just saw yeah,
and it just I just love the the dichotomy that
it's showing of both entities having good and bad guys
within them. And you know that in the Empire the
good guys are going to lose it. In the rebellion,

(14:23):
the bad guys are going to you know, lose out there.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
So along along the like this level of thinking too,
I'm looking specifically at Gorman. The Gorman is is this
well established planet. They have a rich history of design,
like like any designer in the galaxy comes to like
makes a patronage here to learn and see what they're doing.
And they're very proud people, and they're starting to get
infringed upon by the Empire and the way that they're

(14:50):
reacting and the way the rebels are like reaching out
to Luthan and talking to both Cassie and Bell when
they come in or go, it's like they think that
they're special and that the stuff that's happening to them
isn't happening all over the galaxy. So like when they're
getting a little bit in fringed upon by the Empire,
which is happening all over the galaxy. They're reacting like, oh,

(15:11):
this is we got to do something about it here, Luthen,
you got to come do something here. We gotta we
gotta do this now. This is important, this is here.
And Casson's just like, yeah, yeah, this is going on
everywhere you like, you don't even rate.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I love the Gorman stuff because it, I mean, I
don't know if it's intentional. I don't know if I'm
just saying it. It parallels for me World War Two
with the French resistance against the Nazis. I mean, like
it's it's pretty like I don't know, it seems pretty
like pretty influenced by Gorman, seems very French, like the language,
sound language sounds, yeah, you know, they wearing berets, like

(15:45):
the resistance movement, the way the city is set up there, yeah,
you know, and like, uh, I I love that because
I love that time period of I love the French
resistance against the Nazis and uh in World War Two.
But Luthen is be like he was. He was already
one of the most interesting characters from season one. In
these past couple episodes here, but these little this little

(16:06):
art kid. These three episodes, I watched him seemingly like
confident and always willing to do whatever it takes to
Like when they found their out there listening to the
device maybe Spot, and they were arguing, I thought, for
a second, oh man, he might think like, oh my,
the jig's up, I'm about to I mean, I don't
think he's afraid to die for this cause, like he's
clearly said that, but I think he might have thought like,

(16:27):
oh this it might be time for me to die
for this cause, like my time might be up. And
having the argument with Cassian and Luthen about Gorman and
how Cassian's like, hey, these guys aren't prepared. They're not ready.
They're just gonna get slaughtered. And Luther's like, yeah, that
if it has to happen, that's fine. But the galaxy
will see it and it'll motivate and inspire. And he's

(16:50):
like burnt, oh man, what a line. He's like, they're
going to burn it. It'll burn very brightly then.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
And it's more growth for Cassian. He's it opened his eyes,
so a new way of thinking. Like Cassian went into
this looking at it like I'm only going to spend
my time. This is only worth my time if it's
going to be successful. Yeah, on a level that I
needed to be. And then he saw it wasn't going
to be sousic. Yeah, I don't want I don't want
to do this, And Luthen's like, listen, it's not about
them succeeding here.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's about what happens and what it does. And then the.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Part that makes us all so much more interesting is
the fact that the ISB wants it to happen too.
They said a lot the Gormans to rebel so that
they can squash them, like that was what Dedra said
in the first section when she met with Krenick. Yeah,
so the fact that they're feeding this and they want
it to happen too is just a whole other level.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Because you know, it's it's it's a conspiratorial false flag operation.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
That's that's all the Empire is doing.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
But like you have that same like you you have
you have Cassie and learning the lesson about he can't
really be on the fence about this necessarily, you know,
and Luthen having it is hard charging. But then you
have Sagerera who is literally like we're all dead. I'm
never going to get to see what I'm doing this for,
you know what I'm saying, like hmm, like you should not.
And like I was as I was listening to talking

(18:02):
like yeah, he's a psycho, but like I think he
might have the correct mindset about being a rebel, you know.
I mean, I know our rebels in our story they
end up being heroes and getting like you know, rewarded
at the end. They get to live on life. Most
rebels don't, you know. The rebels do this for the
future generations to have the freedom and and and the stuff.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
The only survivor. This show's gonna have this man mathma
like in terms of living, you know, like getting to
lead the new government, right like that's it.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's it, and and.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Like they have to be willing to and and that's
where like the personal me, you know, keV watching the
episode like, man, like how because what I want to
But yeah, man, I'd be a rebel, you know, I'd fight,
I'd fight in the rebellion. It's like or would I
just be one of the people who just kind of
sits on a fence and just hope for the best,
you know, Like that that's that's kind of that's kind
of a human position to take in these situations.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
And it ended up being a little bit of a
lesson for Luthen to you, like he kind of changed
the way he looked at it because early on we
saw he manipulated seeing in Bis and also Valaincinta to
be on their own and not together because they he
needs them to be focused on.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
What a mission to do the mission in there.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
But you also seem kind of relax that a little
bit in the end because he takes care of Bicks,
fills in Cassian on what he's doing, like he owns
up to it. But then he also puts Villincenter back
together after keeping them up, So I think he kind
of realizes that, yeah, these people are my tools and
my ponds, and I need them to do. But on
some level also they need to have a will to live.
They need to have something that they're fighting for. Yeah,
And it's like you said too, like I don't know

(19:32):
there was like a resistance that I had a join
right now. I'd like to think, yeah, I'd stand up
and do it right, but I'm also thinking my head,
like I wouldn't be able to just leave my family,
Like my responsible here would be first to just care
for my family. I'm not going to go off and
do these other things you don't have a family.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, I wouldn't leave my wife. Yeah, well I would
let my my wife go on missions by her. Like
I like, like there's just there's that very sobering thought
of like, you know, we're all the heroes in our
own story, you know, but that's often not the truth.
And I think that this I have never felt. I mean,
and you know, we said it's to talking about Rogue one.
I have never felt the war in Star Wars more

(20:10):
like the stakes of it, like as a you know,
as as an actual veteran to like see like this,
like see how scary this war is too. It's like, Okay,
it suddenly feels less like superheroes fighting super villains yep,
and more so like you know, like armies, like like
you know, like people picking up blasters and fighting the empire.

(20:32):
That that is the war part that I think Star
Wars kind of you know, didn't show with a lot
of really you know, because we always had these like
superheroes in the front lines.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yeah, and all of that we've been looking at is
like Jedi and yeah, like the only people, the people
that seemingly die that don't matter are like clones and droids. Yeah,
this episode just starts out with a big discussion over
somebody dying just because they saw who Bickx was.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, like that's that's that's that's crazy, And like how
it's scary the Empire, Like the Empire is scary now? Yeah,
you know, uh, and watching watching them like set meetings,
set plans, and watching the re and like seeing the
reasons why people are in the Empire and why it's

(21:20):
like a good cause in their minds, and they're not
just all brainwashed idiots like or you know, they're not
just all evil. They they feel genuine and honest about
what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Look at the one of the main protagonists on the
Empire side, on the evil side of it, Cyril Karn, Like.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
That dude is not evil.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
He's my favorite character.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I don't think he's evil.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
He's doing what he fully believes is right that yeah,
the betterment of the people and society, and he thinks
he's doing he's on the good side.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, I understand he's undercover essentially on Gorman, but like,
how many how many more meetings do you have with
these people? How many more interactions you have with them
before you're like, wait, maybe I'm curious if he's gonna
have that, Like I'm really curious what his character is
gonna do, if he's gonna stay true to his because
he's gonna have a pivot point or a fork in
a row soon. It just seems like it. And if
he if he doubles down on it, I think true

(22:13):
to his character, he should double down on it. Like
I would hate to see him switch sides.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
I guess I wonder if he'll be a casualty in
Dedra story, because clearly he's a saft spot for her
that she won't admit or show. Yeah, but like she's
she's there for we do.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
There can show anything to each other.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
No, the turn the lights off.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
But there's a there's a clip in trailers of her
like unable to.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Breathe having a panic attack.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
And I know some of us have thought maybe she's
getting force choked, but also, yeah, maybe we might not
be getting Darth Vader on, so she might just be
like panic, what if something happens to him and that's
a catalyst for her.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Absolutely, there's gonna be a situation where she has to
make a choice whether to do the mission or like
keep him safe. If she's gonna have to choose to
do the mission. Yeah, because like at the end of
the day, that's why they're there, and they're not there
for the glory. They're there for the for the you know,
for the guys.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Have you guys seen The Departed.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Yes, it's gonna be something like the end there, like
she's gonna be the reason Cereal is done. And then
the end of the episode is gonna be Eedie opening
up at the door like Marco Alberg at the end
of it and like take it out, Dedra.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
Did either of you even for a split second, They'll
think like, oh, after a year on this planet, he's uh,
come over to the to the other side.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
For a minute, not to the other side.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
But I thought that maybe they actually broke up and
he was there because he was trying to get away
from it all.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
I think that they were together.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
So he was talking to his mom and like, oh
you listened are too much news? Like I was like, oh,
does he actually like breaking away for a little bit,
And then'm like, oh no, this is this is all
on purpose.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
This, this is this is how good, this is how
great this show is. I would have if I didn't,
if they didn't do this small gesture in a scene
where he shows him getting ready in this meticulous way
and he's in the mirror and he looks up and
he sees a guy surveilling him looks away real quick,
and I was like, okay, he knows he's being watched,
and so yeah, so that point off everything he was saying.

(24:08):
I was like, he's saying things to make sure someone
who is watching him is hearing it and for him,
and like, oh see that that little detail made me
think like, okay, he's just he's just playing around.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
See when I saw the checking the string thing, I
thought for a second was like, is he is he
in trouble? Like I thought he was going from from
like he's breaking away in trouble for a minute. And
then as soon as I heard somebody listeners like oh okay,
never mind.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
And then then the whole the whole surprise inspection by
you know, the Empire and his like what is the
meaning of this? I was like, okay, calm it down
a little bit, bro like you. He was a good actor, though,
no He's genuinely my favorite character. His performance. It's yeah,
like I just I love him. He's such an understandable character.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
I just I feel like I can understand this this
weird dude for some reason.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
I don't know. He just feels like a really real person.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
How familiar are you, guys with like the lore or
Cannon's story about Gorman, like the massacre? Not very see
I'm not much at all either, But I knew the
idea was there was peaceful protesters and Tarkan landed a
ship on them.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
WHOA.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Now they talked about it in the in the show,
so but apparently they're referring to that as the Tarkan massacre,
and they're saying it happened sixteen years ago from this show,
it was.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
We get We're gonna get the Gorman masker in this.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
That's what I'm wandering, because the Gorman massacre is what
spawns man Mathma to like give her speech, leave the
Senate and go off to join the rebellion and lead them.
But now I don't know if this is retcon or
they're just trying to put it all together. They've said
in the show that like the this display they have

(25:49):
that everyone's protesting at. And now like this is getting
cast a shadow that's from the Tarkan massacre sixteen years
ago where he landed a ship on what we thought
to be the Gorman Masaker. So now, what's the Gorman
Master going to bed? They they must have like changed
it for the show. Yeah, but and that's coming up.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Well, if it's crazier is if the Gordon Master does
in fact happen during this season, it's going to be
orchestrated by the Empire to have happened that way. Yeah,
like the because the Empire is basically building the resistance,
They're they're making their creating their enemy for the sake
of their propaganda.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
This whole thing, this whole part on gormonous because they
want this mineral called calkite that's below the city, that's
mine from the Low City, and they want to be
able to have it, assumably to construct the Dust Star.
Like it's it. I think it has to go with
death Stark because credics involved. Yeah, that's one of his
big deals. And but this is so big that like

(26:49):
we're now they had this idea, they started doing this
a year ago and now they're just building this armory
up and spawning the rebellion on there so that they
can take over fully conroll it, and get the mineral
they need. Like this is this is deep seated plans,
and they've waited a whole year now and they're not
done yet.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
I thought the Empire would have moved a little faster
than that, right.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, I mean, but also I think they probably would
have moved faster if now for Djer being like, hey,
you can't just do this, you need you have to
do this. I think like her plan is what changed
their time because she helps.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
You slowly creep in to slowly get them to beat,
you know, to because if you just if you just
come in and do what you need to do in squash,
you're not going to have much of the You're gonna
have people revolting more than if you like It's like
that analogy.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Is defending itself.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, it's that analogy where like if you put you
don't just drop a lobster into boiling water. You have
it in the water and then you boil it and
it doesn't know that it's slowly being boiled to death.
The Empire is doing that, so they're they're slowly taking
over and causing this to that. So when they finally
get to the point where they're they don't realize that
they're already.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Beat No yeah, yeah, yeah, you know the army and
every they're slowly putting their hooks in the Gorman because
they did say I did catch in the first Coup
episodes that this this mineral attraction will like deplete and
destroy the planet, right, yes, yes, yeah, so they're probably
not going to do this. They are absolutely ready to
get in and get out because I don't think they'll

(28:18):
be long for the planet after they get this, get
to get the material out of it.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
So I did, I did go Look when you were
said sixteen years ago had me thinking about bad Batch.
It's reference in Badge Batch, but it's the Tarkan massacre.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
M hm. They do talk about it there. But yeah,
well but I.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
Haven't seen the newest season of bad Batch yet, so
I was like wondering if if they tied them together that.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Way, I have to see too, Like I know of
the goarment, the Gorman massacre and which is actually the
Tarkt massacre. I wonder if that's a Kenon integrimment of itself,
like is that something that came from legends or is
that something like in New New Disney books or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I have to I don't know, look at that. I
don't look at that.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I will say this, Uh, they're This show has been
so good and seamless for me that sometimes I forget
I'm watching a television show, if that makes any sense.
But there was one time I was like, oh, this
is a TV show and it wasn't at the end
of episode six. It was the end of episode five
where Claiya gets the device in her and Luther and
or walking away and he's like, maybe I just should

(29:17):
have killed him there, and like, oh, yeah, that's great thinking.
You know, that whole conversation. I was like, oh, this
feels like the end of the end of an episode.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Story.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yeah, but that that whole part was so tense.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
With Credic in this show. I need more of him.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Yeah, credit Critic is great.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
He is one of my favorite characters, I know, but
you know, Claia Claya is one of my more favorite characters.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
I love Claia.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, that whole culture, the whole art piece were like,
you know, blindness is considered like a gift in this culture,
and so this is their codex how to read it
and everything.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
It's like, man, that's just beautiful.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Like it sucks trying to be a creative and like
trying to create worlds and stuff and then watch like
a throw off thing just for an episode of a
television show be like better than anything I.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Can think of.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
It drives me up a wall man, like it's but
because it just seems so there and real and lived
in and not made up for that episode. I don't know,
just it just and or is just it's it's I'm
so happy to be excited about something and and hear
the hype and then it like pan out like like

(30:21):
off topic.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
I uh uh. I got better.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And finally yesterday, uh went and saw the movie Centers
and everyone's like it's great, you go see it. And
I actually really enjoyed it. I'm like, okay, great, it's
so nice to like be have something like it's gonna
be good. It is, you know, yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
And Ors just just has the Queen of Buffalo in it.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Yes, yes, the same thing they've been hyping up this
movie that's in theaters right now. I went to go
see it and it was phenomenal. It's called Revenge of
the Sith. I was so excited. I was so excited
to go see that movie. And then I went and like, wow,
this is great. Yeah, but Anakin still.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Turned to the dark side.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, yeah, us spoilers.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
The I think, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
The mission that goes wrong. We were talking about fell
and and sent like, hey, you know, are you gonna
do is follow orders? You're not gonna think, like I
I appreciate that that that part, the No Blasters part,
I think I think we were talking about that a
little before, about how like that was kind of a
weird thing to do.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
But also it's like, yeah, these guys, I think you.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Owned something Chris about talking about how like the Gorman's
kind of have this like, you know very yeah, you know,
I don't. I don't want to like, you know, slant
a whole tire culture, but like, well they're very French,
you know, because that's how people. That's a stereotype. That's
a stereotype of French people. You know that they're you know,
you know, whether they are or not, I don't have
a lot of their actions for French peoples. When I
went there, they were nice to me. So I don't
want to like, you know, say they're all this, but uh,

(31:50):
I think that like by showing these the these Gorman
quote unquote rebels and then showing like Sagerera and his
rebels and how he's willing to shoot guy but like
he's a trader, and like no one's like, okay, you
know cool, no one's like, whoa, that's crazy, dude, Like
I mean, he was a trader, But like I think
they I think especially that that the young kid, I
don't even know if he has a name, the kid
who the kid who shoots uh who brought the blaster.

(32:12):
He's very kind of I think he sees himself as
like the hero, like he's not in this, like he
wants the empire gone, but I don't think he realized
what that's gonna take for the empire to be gone.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
He plays video games and then he's in a real
war type thing.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Think, yeah, oh my god, man serve with a lot
of those guys.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I will never say I was one of them, by
the way, but you know, you get those guys that
have uh uh.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
These visions of of of of these illusions of.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Grandeur and and uh you know how they're gonna they're
gonna in there in the rebellion. They they're gonna leave
the rebellion in the Empire with with you know, with
the single shot Tyes like that when he brought a gun.
It absolutely tracked for me. That guy from the Get Gods,
Like he's going like he's not.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Going to listen.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
He he has in his mind that he knows what
he's doing, even though he has, you know, one of
the agents Cassie and showed him like, hey, you guys,
aren't it You're not that guy pal. And then you
have you know, Velin sent to like, hey, you need
to listen to us, like like we we've been doing
this that whole entire mission. Everything about that scene was
so well done, even with them watching the whole time.

(33:13):
I do want to mention something about the discourse in
Star Wars. That's something I had this weird like realization
the other day watching something now Star Wars related. Crazy enough,
My fourteen year old daughter said this to me and
like kind of like, I don't know how they're getting
so smart. It must be that blasted iPad. But I

(33:34):
was I was watching something. I was like, oh, I
don't really like that and do you watch something it was?
It was it was a movie and there was a
twist in the movie that I thought was kind of dumb.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
You happened at the very end of the movie, and
I almost thought it ruine.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I was like, oh man, the movie kind of And
then and she sat there and she said, well, Dad,
is that a complaint or an issue? And I was like, well,
what do you mean. She was like, Okay, I don't
like onions on my burger. If I get a burger
with onions, that is a complaint that I don't like onions.
There's no issue with the burger. I just don't like
the onions on the burger. But the burger was fine.

(34:08):
And I was like, okay, so I guess that's a
complaint because I guess the movie is the movie was.
It's well shot, well act and everything's fine. I just
didn't like that. She's liked, Okay, that's a complaint. That's
not that's not an issue. That doesn't ruin it. And
I started watching things like that. I guess my complaint
in that situation. Say my complanet is like, yeah, it
sucks that guy brought a gun, but like it doesn't

(34:30):
like it's not an issue because it tracks with the
story and everything seems fine. Like I just I'm just
mad because this idiot didn't listen to people who knew
what they were talking about until, you know, and got
someone killed, which happens when people don't follow directions in
situations like this. So maybe I'm just triggered because I'm
because I've been to combat, and if I tell someone

(34:51):
I to do something on a mission and they do
it and someone gets hurt, I would not have the
result that she had to not retala, not retaliate.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
But that speech man, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's she tore
him a new and he you got to carry her
with you the rest of your life.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
It's like, oh yeah, like you said, though, I applaud
her restraint because I don't. I don't know, like these
are people that she's never met, doesn't have any care
in the world about She's she's clearly killed people before, right,
I Mean, they're like the fact that she lets him
in this in this world, like lets him off, like wow, yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Now that they unknowingly falling into the trap.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And even crazier was like there was not supposed to
be any any gunfire or any deaths or anything like that.
But like as the Empire is watching it, you can
see dude smiling, like call the police, you know, yeah,
you know, but like you can see he's like, this
is even better than we could have hoped for. They
messed up, you know, and it's like how much harder

(35:51):
are they going to have it now? How much more
would the Empire be quote unquote allowed to react now?

Speaker 4 (35:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
But like it's so funny too.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
The thing that's exactly what they wanted played out exactly
how party gas in Dedra wanted. But you got Carn
who's the man on the ground, and he's like freaking
out about it.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah, oh my god, this is happening.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
They're doing it.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Which also it was like like just just just a
testament to how great these characters are. That was like
his first time, like like like he was like he
was so taken back by that, Like he was watched
like so fascinating. Oh my god, they have a gun.
Oh my god, it's shot. Like he's like, dude, I
act like you've been there before, dog, like you have you.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Know, Before we get into awards and stuff, let's let's
talk about this party and all it is. That party scene,
because god, there's just so much. There's all these characters
that end up in the same spot accidentally. Yeah, like
you have Luthen and Clea, Lannie the secret spy for
Luthen from there, Krenick is there, sculled it mon Mathma Ghana.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Like the fact that all of these people end up
at the same spot and they're doing the there was
It's like it gives you anticipation for what's going to
come next.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Well, and the tension, like the tension of the whole
scene too.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
Like my wife doesn't really watch this show, and she
was just kind of sitting there and like she as
soon as the scene was over, she's like, so why
would like because she could feel the tension, but she's
so why was she trying to get off of that thing?
So I was like, Okay, I actually have to explain
a lot for the to answer that one question. But like,
the tension was so palpable that like somebody who's not
watching the show just walking by caught it.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
The scene was so well acted. It's Lonnie right that
the spy.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yes, Lonnie Donnie.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
At some point in my life watching that scene, I
would like, but.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Come on, just just just just do what she says,
just step over, like what being so scared? But they
set that scene up so well, and you know what
this guy has been going through for years.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
He's terrified.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
He knows what the Empire would do if he got.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Yeah, I think I would be scared, you know, even
more so he knows because they're trying to market what
doctor Gorst can.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, the torture.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, I don't know if I would be willing to,
Like that's what I'm saying, Like I no longer put
myself in the hero slot of stories when I watch
them now, and it's been really sobering and very humbling.
You know, yeah, my life on the line. Get like,
move over to the left so we both don't die here.
And he's like, we're about to die anyway, man, Like
these guys know some things up. We're being weird. I
don't know. I just everyone just every like it's just

(38:25):
the performances here are just so good that, like you said,
people walking by and be like that's a tense scene,
Like yeah, and none of.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Our wives will watch it. Man, what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Thank god we have each other.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Thank god we have each other.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
But how about just how it all ties together. We
don't like in the end, Bex kills doctor Gors after
torturing him with his own device. Yeah, and not only
is that like kind of like a resolution for her
because we saw she's been struggling with like nightmares about him,
so she gets her her payback. And but how about
just the brilliance of the throwaway plan that they're gonna

(39:01):
use doctor Gorst to like help them interrogate more people,
that they capture more, they're gonna like take his science,
and like, how about just the fact that you know
that Lannie knows that you know, Lannie talks to Luthan
because we've seen them talk. We don't have to see
him fill Luthen in on that. But the fact that
that's also why she kills Bicks or why Bix kills

(39:21):
him to help because because of what the i SB
is going to use him for. Like it's not it
wasn't just payback for her, it was a mission like
that's hell, Like we didn't have to see all the
the points get to that point to know that that's
why she's there, and that was that was so cool.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
She's a loaded gun and luthen just kind of let
her be aimed at the right thing. But you know,
I mean like like even to like Bix's resolution because like,
like are those like like like what is that?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
What are those drops? She's like a supposed to be
drugs ugg?

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, okay, just helping her sleep, she said, Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
The argument between Luth and Cassie and where he's like
he's like, you know, I don't know how to recap
it as beautifully as as Cassy and put it. But
he was like, hey, Bix, is yours too, Like you
need to take care of her. You need to take
care of us as well as us. Just do your missions.
And he's like fine, like get her, get her, get
her back and get her fixed. And like by the

(40:16):
end of the episode, when you see them walking off
not looking at the explosion, you're like, cool, she's back.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
She's good, she's locked in. It's time.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
It's time to go back to being to be in rebels.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah. Now one year later and it's.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Gonna happen that way. Yeah, all right, fellas, should we
consult the Jedi Council?

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, man, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I must speak with the Jedi Council immediately. The situation
has become much more complicated.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
I mean, do we just do the three two one
yeah for everything?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Well, actually, you know, I don't really. I mean, come on,
you guys watch the episodes, right.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
I have a feeling that if there is going to
be any section of the show that would be an
apprentice out of it, it would be this section. Because
I don't think that we're gonna come back. I think
like we went high to start, I think we came
down a little bit because I don't think this was
as good as the first three, but I think it's
only going up from here.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah. So like if you had a rate.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
On a on a scale, I would say maybe this
three would But I also cannot give this anything other.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, No, these are masters. This is such good writing, directing,
set design, costuming. Like, this is a great show. And
I'm so happy it's in Star Wars. Like, I'm so
happy it's in Star Wars.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
It's the most intricate, lived in world that we get
to see. I mean, there's so much in the background
that's just there and setting the mood. And like you said,
I think you were saying before we started recording the
paparazzi droid thing, we saw ye and they went. When
moth Anda showed at David s Golden's party, It's like
it was.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Just a background thing.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
It had nothing to do with the scene. It was
just there the DJ the DJ droid in the first one.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
Yeah, that like transition shots they did with the TV
with the show, like the Morning the Morning Show, that was.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Just morning because morning course.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah, good morning course.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
No, because I think you were talking about last episode, Joe,
and I was listening back, and uh, I was, I
was gonna speak about it last episode, but I was,
like I was telling Chris before we got on recording.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
The thing.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
The thing that I love about Star Wars, and I
probably said it in some kind of way before, is
that typically when you're like introduced to these new worlds
and these new shows, there's always a point of view
character who kind of like also doesn't know what's going
on in the world too, so the show has an
excuse to be like, this is a paparazzi camera, that's
what this floating thing is taking pictures, or this is

(42:34):
a DJ droid, that's what this thing is playing music,
or this is how they make food here, and this
is how they you know, just how to do everything
they don't do that in Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
They don't. They don't. They treat everything like.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
It's normal to them because it is, yeah, and that
makes me feel like therefore it's normal to them, so
I don't question it. I'm also like why it's cool,
But it's not something that they make you focus on,
like did you did you see that?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Did you see what we did? That's futuristic? Is it?
It's like, no, that's just that's just that's just how
they to baparazzi.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Like in any other kind of media, they would have
explained from the first ships of the dance that they
did at the at the wedding and like what it
means where here they just did it and we moved
on and here we talk a little bit about the
the the.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Codex and just and move on like it's yeah, it
could because that's how we treat and talk about real
things in our world. So they do it in their world,
so well it just makes it all the more better.
Like they they they don't. They let you be amazed,
but they don't make you feel like you're not included
that I don't know how to say that, but they
find a way to do it.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
And if you really want to explore those stuff of things,
just you know, go to Wikipedia and there's a breakdown
of any single possible thing you had seen.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
In Star Wars.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
Yeah, all right, Awards, who are the nominees for MVP?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
MVP hmmm?

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Uh, I want to go Cleia.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I almost must say, uh, Cyril for the job he's
doing in his own little war and on his mother.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Oh my god, I love it.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
It's just terrible.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
I know.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
That's why I love her, because she's just like such
a mother. Even in a galaxy far far away, you
have a mother man.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
As much as I'm loving Claia lately, I want to
say Luthen.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I see, I wouldn't. I wasn't gonna throw Luthen out
there for skien Ski the whole Uh. You know, I
was feeling Cassian there, like I was. I was on
his side. Yeah, when the every spat they had, I
was like, yeah, Cassian, you're right, but I.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Thought cassiane was. It's one of those I was with
Cassie one hundred percent, like, yeah, you tell him. But
then when like when you see Luthen's perspective of it
and the fact like we're fighting a war. Yeah, where
we have to be buttoned up. There could be anybody
watching at all points. Yeah, and the like the the
reasoning he gives and what's like that that kind of

(44:54):
turned me a little bit, like I kind of eye opened,
like Cassian did.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I I get Luthen. He doesn't have a bix to
keep him warm at night. That dude is ward whatever seven.
You know what I'm saying like that, that that dude
is on mission. He is walking around in a wig
pretending to be this aristocrat, like he's given everything he
has to this like he's living it. And to have
people that claim to be as dedicated as you to

(45:17):
the cause but then want to back out every time
it gets inconvenient has to be frustrating for a guy
like him.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
So I get him. I don't agree with them, but
I understand him.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I think for his character though, I think that like
by the end of the three episodes, he had kind
of a little arc of like maybe kind of understanding like, yeah,
like I need to care for the people in this
rebellion too instead of just the rebellion. So I mean
kind of had a nice little growth there. He's laughing
and joking people at the end, you know, you know,
I should have killed him, and like, you know, you know,
him and Clay have a argument and settle it. He

(45:48):
and Castiing have an argument and settle it. He and
Bicks have a conversation and they I don't know, actually
you know what you.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Know he did?

Speaker 5 (45:55):
I mean he did kind of he went there to
use bis and to do it, but then when he
saw she was he let it go. Yeah, like he
let go what he needed for the mission, for the
for the cause because he saw she it wasn't good
for her. So I mean that's that's growth too, because
you know we saw him just moving ponds up until
this point.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Mm hm Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
His speech on Gorman's a little scary, but also completely
on track with what he believes. And it's not that
he's not incorrect, but he's like, you don't you don't
say that, you know, like you don't say that, but
like he's not incorrect. Actually, you know what, you might
have swayed my vote for Luthen too. I think I
think Luther might BMVP. Yeah, I think I think I
think he did it.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
There, Chris, you got me, who is our comeback player?
It is not bail Argana. That's for sure, all right,
let's let's get let's let's get to it.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
You let ral Alvaross.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
We got we got a prominent Star Wars figure who
was recast for this season of the show. Now, speculate
as you will as to the reasoning. It's interesting that
we got Jimmy Smith again because we got him in
Revenge of the Sith and there we got him again
for the Obi Wan show a few years ago, so
like and yeah, and Rogue one yep, but not for

(47:08):
and Or, which ties into Rugue one.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Now.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
The creator of the show, Tony Gilroy, says that they
tried everything they could, but the schedules didn't line up,
and that he is currently engaged on another project and
couldn't be there. But instead we get Benjamin Bratt, which
you know looks wise and the short snippet that we
got here in this episode. I'm fairly confident we're gonna

(47:31):
get him more.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, I would assume. So for the recast, yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
I personally did not have a problem with Like, I
thought it was a good recast. Don't get me wrong,
I don't want Jimmy Smith's recast. I thought that the
replacement doesn't take me out of it. It's not like
the different It's not like on Superman and Lois when
you recast one of the one of the kids and
it's completely different. I thought he actually is a good
representation of Bayloranda.

Speaker 6 (47:56):
Yeah, I'll just be watching it very closely from a
story point out view of is it an issue or
a complaint? Right, It'll will become an issue if we
could have created a new character. Like, I'm not gonna
slam on this guy's performance or anything, but if like,
do we need it to be bail Organa, Yes, that's
my question. If if it gets very obvious that oh

(48:18):
this is bail Organa, perfectly, I'll move on and be
okay with it. But it's just to make a decision,
especially in Star Wars where when it is so expansive
and you've had people come, come and go, I feel like,
if the person is alive and well and could do
it and we just can't make it work, sometimes maybe

(48:38):
create a new character to serve that. Could you imagine
if in Obi Wan, if Liam Neeson would not have
I would rather have no Force ghosts than have.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Ye, especially because it didn't it didn't really impact the
story at all. Yeah, it was just a nice nod
for us, But I have a feeling because of who
bail Organa means to the beginning of the Rebe alliance
and how close he and man Mathma work together on
all that. You see a lot of him working in
the Clone Wars too.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Oh those up there. So I'm hopeful that they that
there's a reason they did it that way.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
Yeah, because like you said, if it's just if it's
just to show us the character, that's dumb.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Because Star Wars, because Bell Bell is mostly like an
animated character at this point, Like is he still gonna
be Jimmy Smith? Is he gonna be Benjamin Bradd and
now if they bring him back for the future. But no, Yeah,
I mean, like I I I get what you're saying.
I I'm not ever too stressed about recast. A lot
of times I try not to be anyway, if they

(49:36):
if the only reason I like, I mean, he doesn't
like they didn't try to make him look like Jimmy Smith.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Like the only reason I knew it was him is
because Mon called him.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
That.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
It's like, okay, that that that's him now, because I
was unaware of the recast at all.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Because I live in the dark ages.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Now, I I'd assume that he has a more prominent
role and they and they needed Jimmy for something he couldn't.
But also, the way I feel about things like that
is when you hear schedule conflicts, it's like, well, you
guys just didn't and open up your pocketbooks, because actors
will go where the money is. Man, So if you
really needed Jimmy Smiz, you could have got you. Okay,
what about this? Okay, cool, Like I'll be there.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
That would be my thought too, But like I can't
imagine an actor like Benjamin Bratt is not similarly costing,
Like if you're gonna recast for because you don't want
to pay once you get like a nobody that.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Just like I mean you, you would get you would
get a guy for a price that like like if
you're offering this for Jimmy and Jimmy says I want
more that you go off for Ben that and MIT's
like I'll take it, okay, come on, and then Ben
never knows.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
That's more.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
My of my question is like, did Jimmy Smith just
lose out on his role his character for the foreseeable
Star Wars future because of this scheduling conflict.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
I don't think we're gonna see this character outside of
the show anymore. Yeah, yeah, they're not going to explore
this right now. Yeah, while yeah, yeah, I mean that's
a fair point. But yeah, also you know bratt Man
but like also too, like Ahsoka was cast as Rosario Dawson,
but you still have Ashley ex Snein doing voice.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Work for her the character, so we'll see.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Yeah, Okay, that's a lot of talk for him under
the Comeback Awards and we're not giving it to him.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I would, I I would nominate Lannie.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yeah he needs something, man.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
I was.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I was almost gonna say I was going to nominate
Bis for the arc she went on throughout this, but like,
she's not. It's not a comeback. She's she's the main character.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Whe she's Joe black on now. She's like yeah, no, no.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
I cheered at the end and I said, my girl,
Bix is back. She's back, she's back. Give her the award, man,
all right, we're giving it to Bicks.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
It's like the college football playoffs. We make the rules, man,
we put who we want in.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, there's no one to check us, all right. Rookie
of the episode, Not that one guy. That not the
guy that shot Senta.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Uh, the gorman who was arguing at the meetings and
caused the conflict. That boulder of a man, the little
bowling ball.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
He was, Yeah, he was the one who caused Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I just thought it was a fun character. Man. That
guy was probably having a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Okay, wait is what about the spider salesman. Was he
the guy who ended up with the blaster?

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Yes, yeah, yeah, okay, never mind.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I liked him when he was selling spiders. Yeah, when
he was working with carn and like him. We're we're
getting we're overthinking. This guy's Benjamin Brett, Rookie rail Avarros.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, real Avaras.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
Yes, so if nobody remembers that, we keep calling Benjamin
Brett rail Avaras. In the book Master and Apprentice, which
supposedly was set before the Phantom Menace, yep, we meet
this Jedi who bangs, right, Yeah, he left the order
so he could bang, because it's not wrong if you
don't really get attached.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
If you don't get attached, he's not attachment's homie.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
But the author of the book said she was thinking
of Benjamin Bratt when she wrote the character was now
two different people.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Yeah, and also one of my new favorites.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
That character can't be the comeback, but he can't be
the rookie.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Yeah, there we go, rookie, there you go.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Real congratulations our skin award. I'm still gonna throw my
luth and run out there.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
But the Spider salesman, oh duh. Yeah, yeah, we need
to figure out a guy's name. I'm sure. I'm sure
the name and an entire Wikipedia page.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
I was gonna think Gorst too, but yeah, it was
he was more a figment of the imagination where he
was bad and this one. Did we give it to
him that we had to get into him last season? Right?

Speaker 4 (53:40):
Probably?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (53:41):
I can remember, like the veins popping out of your neck, Yeah,
what he did to Beck's.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I would have definitely given him the scheme. I remember.
I can remember this.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Have you have you? Have you done your sales? Have you? Guys?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
He's a favorite and looked at all the actors who
are playing Empire characters them outside of the show, and
just how normal and not evil they look.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
I'm thoroughly enjoying all of the interviews with the cast
where Denise Goff, who plays He's like one of the
most deable people ever.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Yeah, I love her. I would have done it.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
She's like, I didn't do the show because of Star Wars,
just like if the writing was crap, I wouldn't have
done it.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
Like you so much, somebody I sent you guys the
clip BuzzFeed gave them like a Star Wars trivia quiz
and they're all just got awful at it.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Yeah, they're really good.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
So it was like two groups of it.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
It was. It was Kyle Soler and and Denise Coff
of Dedra and Cyril, and then you have genevieveo Riley
dieuol Luna and andre Jorana at Bix Cassian and mon
Moth Ben. They actually they did pretty well. Joe, you'd
be disappointed that nobody got Ordered sixty six, right. They're
like they're going like, Bis thought would be like Order
one because one sounded really powerful, and uh, Dedra thought

(54:51):
like order fifty five because it sounded like order fifty five.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Ers up, Oh, you come get your order order.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
It's entertaining Star Wars fans these days.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
Man, Okay, So our skin is our spider salesman, and
obviously that our way toward goes the Santa.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, not Gorst.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
No, No, he's good.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
That's that. I mean, man, they just got each other back.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
I honestly, honestly, I should have seen it coming, like
you should see that something was gonna happen for them,
But I.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Just it just came out of I thought. I thought
it was gonna be veil.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I thought she was gonna die, like like that was
the twist there for me. I was like, okay, I
thought she was about to die.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
Yeah, because also got hinted that like or was it
after the fact when Mathma saw luten Is like I
want to hear from my cousin.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, I I I for a second though, I thought
all of them were going to be maskered and that
would be the Gormant masker, which that's not the Gormant masker,
which makes me scared for what it's.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Going to be.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
I'm wondering if we're gonna actually see it now, because
now we're gonna well, we're gonna skip ahead now, which
will bring us to two B B Y, which is
supposedly when it happened. That's when my mouth my leaves
and at least the Senate.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
One of the mask is when they deplete the planet.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Yeah, I think that's what it'll be at this point
now surfing man. Oh, it's good to be a big week.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Yeah the Empire, dude, So I was I was actually
picturing that Tuesday and Wednesday night, I both have light
nights at work.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
That's what that. I was just thinking, like, I can't
wait to watch this, and we're.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
So close but so far away. And to the tally board.
I'm a little short on entries this week. I'm sure
there are things that we missed, so I apologize. If
you have them, send them away.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Sorry, we're too busy watching.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
I have a plus three for Cannon Immigrants, which brings
us to sixty three and a half. There were two
planets that were either visited or mentioned. I think they
were mentioned in like just speech. Yeah, I don't think
we actually visit them. It was Yuki Oh again, I
could be mispronouncing this. I apologize. And Tapasi so Yukioh
was in I guess New Jedi Order books. And Tapasi

(57:02):
was in the Star Wars card game as a planet.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
We need to find that on Amazon.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
And then there was obviously, uh. The big catalyst for
Sagerera's story is the Riddonium and we didn't really talk
much about that, but like that was crazy, like just inhaling.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
No, yeah, yeah, so Gerera's whole story arc and his
character and like it's crazy. It's just Forest Whitaker, you know,
that little known actor just killing it like he like
I don't know, just taking it so seriously.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Yeah, know that the wholele supplot was great.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
But yeah that Ridonium was in Star Wars the Old Republic.
So okay, yeah, and that is our second round of
indoor coverage.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
It's time for some Star Wars joke, right, yes, and
you so you owe us? So yeah, so I did.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I didn't know you guys said, uh that I wouled
you too, So I went a step above and gave
you three.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I have three.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
And and and also I wanted guys in the in
the wrestling bids, they say putting putting someone over and
when you like make them sound good. You know what
I'm saying, thanks for putting over my jokes because like
you're like, man, we need keV, Like my jokes are
really good, they're not.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Also, I found these from the Star Wars Dad Jokes book,
celebrating a a I mean, I know, I know you're
already a dad joey, but you know, just congratulate you
four times too.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
Wait, can you just like make a mental note that
if there's ever a gift or birthday or something that's
really like, that book would be perfect.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yes, No, Star Wars it out there, all right, So
here we go. These are Star Wars jokes told like
a dad joke. So did you hear about the storm
trooper who couldn't see out of his helmet?

Speaker 4 (58:38):
No? Yeah, he didn't know what he was missing. What
happens when Imperial fighters race?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
They tie?

Speaker 4 (58:48):
It always ends in a tie and the final one.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Did you know the Jedi Order doesn't trust prophecies. Yeah,
they're a nonprofit organization.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
There you go. God, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
I didn't say they would be good. I just said
that they'd be jokes. Hope you guys have a great week.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
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