"From Couch Potato to Boston Marathon Runner" with Dr. David DeRose

Host: David DeRose, MD, MPH Guests: Marcella Morton (Cherokee) and Caleb Proctor (United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians); Echota Behavioral Health Description: As a response to a dying friend's wish, Marcella Morton got off the couch and started running. Hear her amazing story and how she continues to use it to motivate Native Youth. For further information: visit Echota Behavioral Health on Facebook

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to American Indian and Alaska Native Living, a program
designed to educate and inspire listeners throughout Indian Country. American
Indian and Alaskan Native Living is hosted by doctor David Deroz,
a board certified specialist in both internal medicine and preventive medicine.
Doctor Deroz has a wide range of experience with native

(00:25):
health issues, and he is here today to help you
learn more about your health. Here is doctor Deroz.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to American Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm doctor
David Deurose. We've got another really exciting show lined up.
We're here at the venue of the National Tribal Health Conference.
It's September of twenty twenty five. We're in the Phoenix,
Arizona area, and we have just got some amazing people
in our virtual studio and I'm going to let them
introduce themselves. First across from me, Marcella Morton. Marcella, tell

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us a little bit about who you are.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm Marcella Morton from Westville, Oklahoma. I have been in
education forty nine years. I retired from public school and
took another job as college and career instructor, and I
retired from that job and took another job with EACHOTA
Behavioral Health, and for the last going on five years,

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I've been going into the school systems and talking to
our high school kids about mental health.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Tremendous. We want to hear more of your story, and
I'm going to just let my listening audience know Marcella
is here, especially because you are an inspiration to our
associate producer, doctor Joni Baccavoy shared with me off air
that you guys have known each other for a number
of years. She's been inspired by your health journey, your
community work. We'll talk more about that, but you, Marcella,

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have got someone sitting across from you who's a special
person in your life. And there's a real interesting story
about how you guys met. Tell us that story and
then introduce who else is here with us.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Okay, my friend Caleb Procter. We worked together at each
Ote Behavioral Health. I was at a suicide walk that
our resource sponsored and I was behind the registration table.
And as people would register and they started coming in droves,
at the end, they would need a T shirt, and
so I was in charge of making sure everybody got

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a T shirt. And I kind of got swamped, and
so I was back there trying to make sure this
guy got a large or smaller medium and just didn't
ask for help. But I felt a tap on my
shoulder and I turned and looked at this face and
he was just looking at me, and he said, do
you need help? And I said, yes, I do. And

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he said what do you want me to do? And
I said, just help me get everybody a T shirt,
and boy, we dove into the T shirts and within
maybe ten minutes it kind of calmed down, and I
finally got a chance to look at this person that
had offered to help me, and it was the face
of Caleb Procter. And you know, the first words he
ever said to me is do you need help? And

(02:59):
he's been helping me ever since. Well, yeah, we're really
good at team teaching. We liked a team teach. So
we've got an event coming up for the Alted and
Telequad that we're going to team teach and I can
hardly wait for that day because we work so well together.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Caleb tell us about this, How long ago was it
that you and Marcella connected with that offer of assistance.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
I believe that would be two years ago now, because
I've been with EACHODA Behavioral Health for a year. Okay,
so after the walk, I got invited to a talking
circle training while I was doing some environmental on climate
change work in Baltimore. So I got a text message
from someone else at EACHODA Behavioral Health asking if I

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could attend talking circle training. I didn't know if I
was going to be back in time, so once I
landed back in Tehlequah, I ahead and accepted that invite,
and then showed up at the John Hare Cultural Museum,
which is the United Cotua Bands Museum. And I walked
into the room and then I see a bunch of

(04:03):
people I think I've seen before, but I'm involved in
the community a lot as well as each Other Behavioral Health,
so I had seen them around. And then we had
what was it a four day training, and like I said,
they look familiar, but I just kind of sat off

(04:24):
on my own and I started reading through this manual
and then Marcella and then our manager Brittany came to
sit by me. And then that's whenever Marcella reminded me, hey,
aren't you the one that came and helped me out
at the walk. It's like I don't know, but it
sounds like me. But ever since then, I helped out

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with the first Stronger Together event. Brittany had asked me
to help out with our stomp dance, and I've been
active in our stomp dance since i was a little kid,
so I hadn't accepted that invite. And then I invited
the team to a couple of my presentations at the
symposium on the American India and the Northeastern State University.

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So they attended that, and I was kind of floating
in between school and jobs, so I was just seeing
where I needed to be. And then Marcella came up
to me at the pow wow saying, hey, we need
you on our team. And I'm just kind of like,
I don't know what that means, you know, all right,
you know, I'll think about it, and then I think.
Just a few weeks later, I did my paperwork and

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then I was on the prevention team for Eachoda Behavioral Health.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
So Marcella tell us about this, what is Ichoda behavioral Health?
What is that all about?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
We have an office in Telequah, we have office in jay,
we have an office in Kansas, an office in Tulsa,
and we're getting ready to open one in Stillwell, Oklahoma,
and it is serving Natives and non natives, and we
have therapists and I think we have eleven therapists there

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at Telequah, but it's just for behavior health and there's
so many people in our area in Teleclull that needed
in the surrounding area. I don't actually get to work
with the therapists because I go out into the schools,
as so is Caleb. But you know, it's just an
amazing place that people can come to and get help

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and they don't turn anyone away.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So Caleb, you have formal training in is it education?
Mental health services? What is your background in?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
I have an associates and social work and a bachelors
and Indigenous and American Indian Studies, and my focus in
that was like social and environmental justice is how I
approached my research topics. But while at high school, I
was like the president of our social work club. And

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at Haschoo Indian Nations University, it's a tribal college and
all the students there are members of federally recognized tribes.
And with that we have what we see in our community,
so high rates of poverty, substance use incidences of suicide.

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So whenever I started to write my path, because I
had to go and find myself through some soul searching.
That's how I ended up in the field. So whenever
the campus did have some suicide incidences happened, I did
some talking circle training right after that had happened, and
it was healing trauma through sacred storytelling. And it was

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a two day training and it was probably fourteen hours
for both days, so it got really condensedcause its supposed
to be a week long training and I think I
might have been twenty four or twenty five whenever I
went through that training. So I started to center, you know,
maintaining our mental health, spiritual health, physical health throughout those years.

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And then after I graduated, I started to try and
pursue a master's at Northeastern State and my thesis was
on what I called the sacred Zone, and this was
a way to look within yourself as a spiritual being.
If you're treating yourself in a sacred way, you're not

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going to abuse yourself, And if you're able to treat
others in a sacred manner, you don't want to abuse
them because you love them you love yourself.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Kind of that old concept like the body as a
temple m h yeah, yeah, crosses those different spiritual lines.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
And then also being able to connect your different identifiers
within yourself, connect to those because there are parts of
ourselves that we can deny or are targeted within certain
community societies, and that can influence why we're so down
on ourselves. We're trying to cope through these situations. And
then if you start to connect to your community resources

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like say each other, behavioral health or the National Median
Health Board, you know, these are different community resource is
that you can learn from and go and teach if
you're able to have that open dialogue again as spiritual beings,
being able to connect in a deep and meaningful way.
So that's kind of how I ended up in the field,

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and after the talking circles with each other, behavioral health,
working with the kids there, I've been able to utilize
a lot of the stuff I've learned not only in school,
but in travels of conferences, sitting with the elders across
the world.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
So fantastic, fantastic, Marcella. Folks throughout Indian country they know
talking circles, but we have folks from all kinds of
backgrounds who tune into the show and they say, what
are these guys talking about talking circles? What is that
all about? Can you give us a quick understanding of
what that's all about.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yes, I've done a few talking circles with my class.
What makes it hard for me is when I go
into the classroom, you know, they're sitting like in the desks,
and I'll say, you know, our I really want to
have a little talking circle with you, So we're going
to just have to take our desks and I know,
I rearrange the furniture and all the classrooms I'm in,
but the teachers just go right along with it. Let

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me do whatever, and we do put the desks in
a circle, and we just talk about different subjects. You know.
I talk to the kids about anxiety and depression, anger management,
some of the things that they are ready to talk about.
And they really are. Now I was surprised. I didn't
think kids would be ready to talk about those things,
but they are. And in a talking circle, they feel

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a little more comfortable to talk. And as soon as
one student shares something, then the next one sitting close
will share and it's just a comfortable environment. And I
know I can't make a circle like maybe Caleb can
because he can take his students like outside and do
different things. He is located in two schools that are

(10:55):
predominantly Native American, and he's been told if you want
to take them outside and just sit them on the
ground and connect, you know, ground them, you know, through
their activities, he can do that. But I have forty
five minutes in a classroom, so I have to do
exactly what I can do with my talking circle. And
sometimes it's just surrounding, you know, the room with that

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circle of desks, and the kids will still talk. It
doesn't matter that we're not outside.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
So Caleb, you have formal training in this discipline, if
you will. And a lot of folks are thinking, well, okay,
I can sit in a circle. I mean, what do
you need to be trained to talk in a circle.
I mean, I've been in those situations before. What is
so special, especially in Indian country about talking circles and
kind of what's the indigenous power behind this way of

(11:44):
coming together?

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, so whenever people hear talking circles, they forget to
look at the listening part of that talking circle. So
that is where it's really important if you're able to
listen to someone's story. Actually, as they're learning to open
up themselves, we have like shame and we have to

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work through shame, and we're always avoiding our emotions. So
this talking circle creates that equity within those who sit
in the circle, and it provides space for those who
may not speak up because they're used to being talked over.

(12:26):
That's one of the key differences. They're always having to listen,
but now they have the time and space to talk.
And I also encourage the students to also be mindful
of the time that they spend talking because you might
be taking from someone else because they're finally comfortable, they're
about to dive in, but you run out of time,

(12:46):
like Marcella had said, So we always try to have
them be mindful. And the way I do mine is
I do a wellness check as the first question, and
then I go and counterclockwise because that's how we dance
in ceremony. We dance in a counterclock wise spiral. So
I'll go first, and I will be openly vulnerable because

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I've been having to work through my traumas and my shame,
and I show them that I'm not a perfect person.
Nobody is. If we're perfect, we don't have to deal
with all the issues we see in our communities. So
I revealed my vulnerabilities and I will pass it to
the person on the right, and if they feel safe sharing,

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they can talk, and if not, they have the right
to pass. So it's not forcing it on them until
they see, say one of their cousins or friends. Once
they start to open up, Okay, you're going through that too,
so maybe what I'm seeing, what I'm feeling isn't unique,

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so we can relate. And that's what it really is,
is trying to relate within a community and then connect.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I love what you sharing, and we're talking about people
sharing their stories, telling their stories. We've got an amazing
story that's represented by the two of you here, and
I know it's an amazing story because doctor Joni Baccavoy
told me that, Marcella, you have an amazing story about
a health journey, your own health journey that has inspired
her and inspired other people. And I know my listeners

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want to hear it. I want to hear it, but
we've got to step away just briefly, because we've got
to take a quick couple of minutes for some important announcements.
But I'm trusting that you can both stay by. Yes,
for sure, you're listening to doctor David DeRose. I'm with
Marcella Morton and with Caleb Proctor. We've got some amazing

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Speaker 2 (17:47):
Welcome back to American, Indian and Alaska Native Living. I
have the privilege of continuing to set with Marcella Morton
with Caleb Proctor. You folks both have deep roots in
Indian country. If I understand correctly, both of you grew
up around Telequah, Oklahoma. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, yes, just a.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Little bit different time frame as far as when you
grew up. Is that true?

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Just a little bit okay?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Okay, okay. And so Marcella, you have this amazing story.
I've heard about it, and Caleb, I want to see
it through your eyes. First, we're going to let Marcella
tell her story. But you're kind of new colleagues, new friends, mean,
relatively speaking, how did you hear about this amazing health
story that Marcella has.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
So with Marcella, she is a life skills teacher, and
MY favorite teachers are those that can embody the lessons
that they are teaching. So I know that they're not
going through the motions and through those Life skills is
a way of healthy living. So I've heard snippets of
some of her health journey throughout some of our events,

(18:54):
but I would really enjoy to have more of the
details from Marcella herself.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's your cumor So we want to hear this story
because I heard, I mean, you can correct me, but
I heard you were not the healthiest person at one
point in your life and something dramatically changed.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
So tell us that that's true. I was not the
healthiest person. I grew up around a lot of good cooks,
and so all my life I favored sweets. I love sweets,
and I was a big eater. So when I reached
i'd been married about three years, I just thought getting

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better just went along with motherhood. I'd had a baby
and got married and my best friend Janet Lacey and I.
She had married a boy from Van Bura in Arkansas,
and the two of us, you know, we kind of
kept track of each other and we both cooked very
unhealthy and ate very unhealthy. And it was one of

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those things where, you know, we'd been together since sixth
grade and that's all we knew was unhealthy eating. I
had a lot of meals her mom's house, and we
worked at the local dairy free, so we had access
to burgers and shakes, and you know, and when you're
in high school, you exercise and you don't gain weight.
But we both got married right out of high school

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and started having our children, and we started putting on weight,
and we both gained quite a few pounds. And one
night she called me and said, I've got some news
for you. I have a health scare here. I don't
exactly know what I'm going to do, but I got
to go in and have a biopsy. And I was like,
what do you mean a biopsy? And she said, I

(20:33):
they think I might have breast cancer. So we're going
to do a biopsy and we're going to see how
that goes. So she went in had her biopsy, and
sure enough, she had cancer. So she began a journey
and it was a good fight. I mean, she fought cancer.
She took chemo, and she took radiation, and she lost

(20:55):
all of her hair. And it was hard on her husband,
hard on her kids, hard on me to see her
through something like that. But you know, after she finished
all of her treatments and everything, they declared her cancer free.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Tremendous and we rejoiced.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
But do you think we did anything to change our lifestyle.
We did not, And that was really a wake up
call for both of us that, you know, we'd been
leading this unhealthy life for so long and just thinking
that gaining weight and being big women was just a
part of getting older. So we did not take her
cancer scary seriously. And about three years later her cancer

(21:30):
came back. This time though she didn't have that fight.
She didn't have that drive that she did the first time.
And I would go visit her and talk to her
and I'd say, you know, you beat it once, you
can beat it again. And one day I took a
whole stack of your books, school yearbooks, and I was
sitting in the floor next to her and we were
looking through the year books, and she put her hand

(21:52):
on my shoulder and said, I want to talk to
you about something. I I just need to talk to you.
Let's put the books away. So we put the books
away and she started talking to me, and she said,
I want you to make me a promise. And you know,
she's my best friend. And we'd gone to school together,
married at the same time, had kids, our whole life
had been together. And I said, whatever you want me

(22:13):
to do, I'll promise. And she said, I guess she
could tell by the way I said it that I wasn't,
you know, it's just kind of a little Oh yeah, sure,
I'll make you a promise. And she said, well, you
have to pinky swear with me. And I said pinky
swear because I thought, man, I haven't done that since
I was in grade school. And she held her little
hand up and her finger was just shaking because she

(22:34):
was so sick with cancer. She held her hand up
and her finger was shaken, and she stuck that little
finger out and I linked pinkies with her, and she said,
you have to promise me that you're going to do
something about your health. And I said I will, I will,
And she said say it, and so I had my
pinky linked with hers and I said, I promise you,

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I'll do something about my health. That was a two
weeks later, and she passed away. Wow, And of course
we had her funeral, and I was real concerned about
her girls and I wanted to try to help her
husband with the girls. But I was standing at my
kitchen sink one night, about two and a half weeks

(23:16):
after she'd passed away, doing dishes, and I heard a
voice behind me and it said, you promised me, And
I was like, what was that. I looked around. My
husband was in the living room and had the TV on,
and I'm thinking, oh, it's probably the TV. So I
go back to washing dishes and once again I heard
this voice, and it was louder this time, and it said,

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you promised me, And I knew it was her, and
I had this feeling that she was not going to
leave me alone until I made the decision to keep
that promise. So I dried my hands, went into my
bedroom and I picked out the only pair of athletic
shoes that I had. They were covered, the toes were
covered with green because those were my lawnmowings and shoes.

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But I put those tennis shoes on and I went
outside and I walked up and down my lane for
fifteen minutes, and I didn't like any of it. That
was the longest fifteen minutes of my life.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
You're being honest. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I am honest. I looked up at the sky and
I said, is that what you want? Because I didn't
want to exercise. I was kind of happy being fat
and happy, so I did not really want to exercise.
But I started my exercise with that first fifteen minutes
of walking, and I continued every evening after dinner, I

(24:34):
would go out and I walk up and down the lane.
And this was in June, and so in about two months,
I could tell a difference in the way I felt.
I had more stamina, my legs were getting farmer, and
I was losing my desire for pop because we were
big pop drinkers. When I would finish my walk, I
would come in the house and I wanted water, and

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that was almost foreign to me because we pretty much
drank pepsi all the day time. And that was one
of the things that she had told me after she
asked me to make that promise. She said, I wish
she would stop drinking PEPSI drinking pop exercise, do something
about your health. So my fifteen minutes stretched into thirty minutes,
and pretty soon I was walking forty five minutes. And

(25:17):
then it started getting cold, and I was like, I
can't keep this up. I'm cold natured. But you know,
in November I was still out there walking, and in
December I was still out there walking, and in January
I was still out there walking. One night, I decided, oh,
it is so cold. I think I'm going to try
to run a little and maybe it'll warm me up.
And I was still over two hundred pounds. Then wow,

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and it's not pretty one or two hundred pound woman runs.
So I took off running. Not fast, but I took
off running, and it did warm me up. And I
was a little bit surprised because I made it all
the way to the fence without collapsing.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
How far was that?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Oh not very far really, but to me it felt
like a.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Long way run.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
And I hadn't run since I was in high school.
So I thought, well, you know, that didn't kill me.
I think I can run some more. So in January,
after she'd passed in June. I would go out there
and i'd walk a little bit, and then I would
take off running. And then I thought, I'm just going
to intermittently run walk, run, walk. And by March I
was running more than I was walking, and I thought,

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you know what, I might run one of those five ks.
And I didn't even know how far it was, but
I thought I'm going to try it. So I told
my husband, I said I think I'm ready to run
a five k and he's like, do you know how
far that is? And I said, no, not really, but
I believe I can do it. And I said I
think I can do it in under thirty minutes because

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I'd been out there on my own at night. I
did it all at night so no one could see me,
and I just thought I could do it at under
thirty minutes. So on April I signed up for a
run called the Dog Would Run in Silom Springs, Arkansas.
I showed up. I didn't know you had to pay.
You have to pay to run a five K. I
did not know that. And I signed my name at

(27:03):
the bottom of this little form, and then I started
reading a fine print that said they weren't responsible if
you had a heart attack or a dog bit you
or car hit you, and I'm thinking this is a
little more than I had planned. But I got right
up at the front and they shot the gun and
I took off running like i'd stolen something. So that

(27:24):
was my first five K and I finished it in
under thirty minutes, okay, And I just got my banana
and my drink of water and I started leaving. Somebody said, oh,
don't leave. Maybe you placed, and I'm like placed, and
they said yeah, they give medals, and I'm thinking, well,
at least I want to see what it looks like.
So I stayed and I'd placed second in my age group.

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So they put that metal around my neck and I
thought it was like I'd won an Olympic medal or something.
So that was the beginning of my running.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
So what age group were you in? Do you mind
telling us?

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I would in the forty five to forty nine group.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, and had never really run before, right right, and
here you are getting a medal second place.

Speaker 10 (28:09):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
I felt like it was the Olympics and they had
awarded me to go medal.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
This is an amazing story. Had you never heard this?

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Not? Calin not all the details, but just in passing,
so you knew she was You.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Knew she was the championship runner from the very early.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
When I first met.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Okay, So we want to talk more about Marcella's story
and about how it's impacted you, and how the two
of you are impacting lives in Indian Country and beyond.
We've got to step away just briefly. So am I
presuming too much to think that you guys can stay
by for another segment or two?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I can stay by.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Sure, I'm still good.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Okay, tremendous. You're listening to doctor David Derouse, my guests
next to me, Caleb Proctor, across from me, Marcella Morton.
They're going to be back with more. Don't miss it.
We've got a lot more coming up in today's edition
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Speaker 2 (31:47):
Welcome back to the second half of today's edition of
American Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm doctor David Deurouse.
I have the privilege of still sitting across from Marcella
Morton and sitting next to k Proctor. They've been working
throughout Indian country, especially in the central part of Indian
country used to be known as Indian territories, not necessarily

(32:10):
for good reasons, but we're glad that you guys have
been sharing your journey. Caleb, before we go back to
Marcella's story, her health journey, I understand that this story
is not like a secret, but that Marcella shares this
in appropriate settings with kids. What do you notice when
she's speaking with younger children about the kind of health journey.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Uh, Marcella brightens up because the changes happened in a
dark time in life and had dark influences, but it
was a positive outcome to make life changing habits shifts.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I love your emphasis because a lot of times we
look at something bad that happens and we focus on
the bad instead of the good.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
We focus on.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
The death of the loved one like your friend Marcella,
instead of focusing on that charge that she gave you. Right.
And I know some of my listeners were listening, they said, well,
you know this voice that spoke to you, whether it
was a commitment, whether it was an angel. Some people say, oh,
it's the departed spirit of your friend, We're not going
to get into a spiritual discussion about that, but the

(33:15):
point is, I believe that the Creator was inspiring you
to take care of your health. And you know, people
can debate what actually happened there, but the fact is
that you got that message very clearly. You changed your life,
and you told us off air, Marcella that you've kind
of envisioned writing a book about your life. My friend here,

(33:38):
Caleb is already laughing because you've got a catchy title
for the book. What would you call it?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I would call it from Spud to Stud because I
was truly a couch potato until I started working on
this promise that I made to Janet, because I went
from age forty seven that's when she passed away, and
I started my running journey and at age fifty two,
I ran the Boston Marathon.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Now, you got to break this down for us, because
not just anybody can just say, hey, I'm going to
sign up and run the Boston Marathon.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Right, Well, that's what I said, and then my husband said,
do you know that you have to qualify for that?
And I'm thinking, wow, he knows a lot about running
to not be a runner and I'm thinking, well, maybe
I better look it up. So I researched the Boston
Marathon just a little and I found out you had
to run a qualifying time. So I set that as

(34:28):
my goal to run the Boston Marathon in her honor. Wow,
And I worked so hard, and I had two training
partners and they knew what I wanted to do. Then
I knew my goal and they were willing to help
me train. And I went the first year to try
to qualify, and I went by myself, and I went
to Dallas White Rock and when I walked up to

(34:50):
the starting line, I went right up at the front.
And I looked around me and I was intimidated by
all the skinny, big barrel cha. They just look so
like professional runners. And I was still weighing like one
hundred and fifty pounds, and I'm thinking, if I fall,
I could crush one of these people up here. I

(35:10):
need to move back. So I put myself back in
the starting line. I moved myself back, and you know,
I ran, and I missed my qualifying time by seven
minutes and forty two seconds. So if I had stayed
up front that first attempt, I would have probably qualified
the first time.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Now I'm doing the math here.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And when I heard you starting this story, you were
over two hundred yes, and now you're talking about being
heavy in weighing one fifty yes. So here we are.
You've already lost fifty pounds. And it's not just the running,
because you've made some dietary changes as well.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Exactly. Yes, but as a runner one hundred and forty eight,
you're considered a Philly that's a heavyweight runner.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Okay, okay, as a woman okay, Well, thanks for giving
us the terminology here. Okay, so we're back with the
story here. You don't qualify the first time you run
a marror, right. What happened from there?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Well, I had to go back and tell all my students.
You know, they knew that I was training, they knew
I was going to go to White Rock, and they
knew I wanted to qualify for Boston. And so I
went down there all alone, towed the line, and I
doubted myself. So I moved myself back, and when I
crossed the finish line, it was a struggle to call
home and tell my husband, my daughters that I didn't qualify.
I didn't make it. But I had to come back

(36:23):
and face a whole group of kids. And I walked
into that classroom and I said, I didn't make it.
I didn't qualify, but I promise you I'll go back
and I will do it again, and I will qualify.
And a little voice at the back of the classroom said, no,
you won't. And I looked back there and I said,
Jesse was at you, and he said, yeah, who would

(36:45):
want to go back and do that? Who would want
to put themselves through all that training and do it
all again? And I said me to show you that
I can do it, because I know I can. And
so the next year, in December, I even had myself
made of a sweatshirt and it said I Qualified on
the front. I said I qualified on the back because

(37:06):
I thought, when I walk into that classroom this year,
all I have to do is go like this because
I'm doing it. So I buy this shirt and had
I Qualified put on there, and my husband said that's
pretty cocky. I said, no, I'm sure that I can
do it. So I went back with a different plan.
I took my daughter's with me and they were at
the finish line and every time I would get tired.

(37:28):
I would think they're going to get tired of me,
you know, trying every year after year and not making it.
So I've got to get with it. So every time
i'd get tired, i'd push myself a little harder. And
I reached mile twenty four and I was getting tired,
and there was a long straight stretch and then I
saw it turn left and I saw this woman step

(37:49):
out like in front of me, and she was waving
her arms, and I'm thinking, lady, you better get out
of the way because I'm trying to do something here
and I don't even have the strength to get around
you well, and I'm very nearsighted. But the closer I got,
the more I realized. It was my daughter, my youngest daughter,
and she was screaming, Mama, you better hurry up. You're

(38:09):
not gonna make it if you don't hurry up. And
I'm thinking she must know something that I don't know,
because I was thinking I was going to finish this
thing with extra time, but you know, I might be tired,
but she knows that I'm not going to qualify, so
I got a hurry uh huh. Well, she was just
doing that because she said I knew it either make
you mad or scare you. And so man, I took
off and I crossed that finish line. And when I did,

(38:32):
I looked up at the clock and I had almost
three minutes to spare. And I would walk along and
I would say I just qualified for Boston. I just
qualified for Boston. And they would just pat me on
the back and go, Okay. They probably thought I was delirious.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I want to hear from Caleb. So have you heard
this story?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Just again, just in bits and pieces.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Okay, but imagine if you're Caleb. Imagine you're that student
the year before and and missus Morton came in and
said what she was going to do and you stand
no way. And then she comes back in with the
eye qualified HULDN. Because I'm assuming that's where it went, right, Yeah,
So what would your reaction be to that?

Speaker 13 (39:13):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Probably shocked disbelief And I wouldn't need evidence just because
where'd you buy that from? Did you really? But you know,
after hearing the actual stories with it, and you know, again,
I like to listen to teachers that embody the lessons
they are getting. U. Huh, So hearing the whole story
again would really reinforce. Hey, you know, if you really

(39:36):
have drive and the spirit for it, you can really
achieve your dreams and goals if you set them. So
it was.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Caleb's response, the one that you heard that some people
doubt that you had really qualified.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yes, and it was chesty Jes the same. And you
know that boy has so much respect for me today.
He just respects me like you would not believe because
he said, yes, I was that little I was in
the back of the room that said no, you won't.
And he said, you could have gotten mad at me
that day, but you didn't. You just said you watch,
I will do it. I will go back. And so

(40:10):
the next year he wasn't in that class, but I
found him. I went to his class and when I
knocked on the door, because I knew Jesse was in
that classroom, I had already learned the teacher. I said,
I'm just going to walk in and face the classroom
and then turn around and they're going to see it
front and back. And he's like, okay, because Jesse was
in that room. But he has such great respect for

(40:30):
me now, not just as an athlete, but as a
person who said, I know I can do it. I'm
going to go back and show you that there's not
anything that you can't achieve if you try hard enough.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Now, Caleb, I know you have a journey too, and
as you talk with students, you develop ropore. I know
you and Marcella are a team often working together. What
is it in your story that you find inspires young people?

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Just being authentic with the kids. I have had to
face some hardships in life and I've had to adapt
and grow through them. Some of the stuff I've had
to learn was either get stuck with post traumatic stress
disorder or you can focus on post traumatic growth. So
that's what I try to embody is like, things will

(41:17):
happen to you. Life isn't perfect. So if I'm able
to give you the lessons I wish I had when
I was a kid, you have a better likelihood for
good outcomes. And again, life isn't going to be perfect.
That is something I tried to instill in the kids.
I'm doing what I can on the outside realm to
make sure that you don't have to face what some

(41:38):
of our people have to face. But I can't do
it all. And then I also tell the kids that
I can't change the world by myself. So, like one
of my lessons is a seedball activity. We have pollinator
seeds and there's a couple dozen and I've created a
word search with our Katula language on what those seeds are.

(42:00):
And we have a clay matrix which is clay soil,
a little bit of fertilizer. And this is a lesson
on responsibility. If you're able to look at your responsibilities
not only within to yourself, to your family, to your community,
but expand that into your environment, your homelands, you start
to see how far our responsibilities actually go. And if

(42:24):
our communities can focus on that responsibility to us again,
we'll be feeling safe and sacred. So that's one of
the lessons. And one of my kids whenever we was
doing this activity, and she really looked at me and
she said, Caleb, are you really trying to save to
the butterflies? And I was like, yeah, and I need
your help. Can you please help me? You know? And

(42:45):
then she just kind of smiled and she said, yeah,
you know, that makes me feel good. And I always
tell the kids whenever we do this activity, take it home,
take it to your caretaker, because you don't know what
their home life is like do they have their parents
or they with their grandparents, they with their aunt or uncle,
And I just tell them take this to wherever you
feel like home is and throw these seatballs out there.

(43:06):
You know, I fear with your mom. These will be
some pretty flowers for your mom or your grandma. I
made some from Marcella, and she had some pretty flowers
by Harry Rosebush.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Okay, So a lot of practical ways to engage with
kids and share from your own experiences. Now we have
to go back to your story, Marcella, because I know
the goal wasn't just to qualify for the Boston Marathon,
but it was actually to run in it, right, That's right.
So did you get an opportunity to do that?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yes? I did. I qualified in December and I went
on April twenty first, two thousand and three. I went
to Boston and my oldest daughter and her husband came
and they met me there. And when they shot the gun,
I ran for twelve minutes before I ever even got
to cross the starting line because twenty two thousand people
and it's a very narrow road, and they put the

(43:58):
fast paced people there, put the five minute milers and
six minute milers, and of course I was back in
about the eight nine minute milers, so I ran for
about twelve minutes before I ever got to cross the
starting line. And then I ran so hard the first
few miles, you know, because I was just excited. I
was just happy to be there. And then about mile

(44:20):
twenty that's when the hills start at Boston, and man,
they were tough. But I just kept going and kept
going and running, and when I crossed the finish line,
you know, it really didn't matter how fast I ran
it there because I was there. So I ran it
in four hours and twenty seven minutes, which I was
kind of embarrassed of. But then I'm thinking. I looked
behind me and there was a whole bunch of people

(44:40):
back behind, so I did okay. But when I crossed
the finish line, I got my little bag and started
back for the hotel, and I found I had lost
seven and a half pounds and eight toenails. Oh my, Yeah,
that's a quick weight loss process, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
We've got a final segment, and I know you guys
have been gracious. We spoke off air before this segment.
You're going to stay by for the final segment. I
know you've got some other very practical things to share
with our listeners. So I'm talking with Marcella Morton and
with Caleb Proctor. We've got a final segment of today's episode.
Stay by, I'm doctor Deroz. We'll be back with more.

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Speaker 2 (48:02):
Welcome back to our final segment of today's edition of American,
Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm doctor David Derouse with
the distinct privilege of speaking with two people who are
making a big difference in Indian country and sharing their
enthusiasm here at the National Tribal Health Conference. We are
in Phoenix, Arizona, OH, the environs of Phoenix. We are

(48:23):
here September of twenty twenty five. The National Indian Health
Board and other sponsors have pulled together a great meeting,
many people sharing indigenous wisdom. Two of them with me
right now, Marcella Morton and Caleb Procter. Marcella, we've been
speaking about your journey from, as you put it, from

(48:44):
spud to stud okay, from couch potato to fitness enthusiast
runner running the bus in marathon. You told me something
off air during our break that I was really inspired by.
Tell us a little bit about the community of Boston

(49:04):
when you were running the marathon.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Boston is held on Patriots Day and literally the whole
town just shuts down. There's no school, and the crowd
just shows up, and the streets everywhere are lined with people.
And what really made me excited was to see how
many kids were there. And I don't ever like to
run in the center of a group of people because

(49:27):
I'm always afraid if I trip, all the people behind
me are just going to run right over me. So
I made sure I was on the edge, okay. And
that was a perfect place to be because I could
see all these little kids ahead of me, and they
would have trays of orange slices or little cups of
orange juice, or just one of the little wet sponges
in case you were sweating, and a lot of them

(49:48):
just wanted to high five you. That's all they wanted
just to high five from one of the runners. So
to me, I thought, you know, look at the community.
I could look out across the people on both sides
and you couldn't even see the n of it. People
were just standing everywhere, standing up on embankments. And when
we came around near the end, I don't think I've
ever seen that many people in my life gathered for

(50:09):
a race. They had stands, the stands were filled, and
people were just reaching out wanting to touch one of
the runners. So it was just like the whole city
just got involved and they wanted to share. They wanted
to give you coffee, and I was like, I can't
drink coffee. They had water, and they had oranges, some

(50:31):
of the most unusual things I saw offered during the
Boston Marathon. So to me, I thought it was really
special because everybody was just wanting to be a part
of it, saying, I gave that runner an orange, you know, slice,
I gave them a cup of water. So I tried
to interact with them as much as I could.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Uh huh. So, Caleb, this really speaks to me about
the kind of work that a lot of people are doing.
There's a saying that people are talking about here about community,
tell us what's behind that.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
So the way I look at it is if everyone
does a little bit, no one has to do a lot.
And that is how I try to center our community work.
Our community may not know what to do, so they
don't know how to work together. And one of our
community values is actually kadugi work together as a community
for a better future. So that's what we really try

(51:24):
to bring about in the community is our life skills
is a form of self care, and I let the
students know once you learn that, teach someone else and
it becomes communal care. Learn and take care of each other.
Another value we have is uli skati digital yeln safety
and that means treat all life as sacred. So that's

(51:45):
how we need our communities to be. And some forms
of that could be. An activity we like to do
is raise a ball poll. We have one of our
traditional ballgames, stickball, and the tour program helps fun putting
a ball pole in each of our districts and we

(52:06):
have a traditional stickmaker who will go get the posts,
prep it in the old ways and then we'll invite
the community again to this site and then we'll have
a raising of the ball pole. So we really encourage
the youth to come and help out because a lot

(52:26):
of them are picking up stickball. It's an amazing community game,
and the ball game represents a healthy community because we're
like to be station areas Katua Cherokee people. We have
our farms, we have our towns, we have our fire,
and we have our ball game. So we need to

(52:47):
work together to make sure our community is healthy and
safe and good. So we really take pride in our
ball Pole project.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
So you're connecting with these traditional values, but you're also
taking advance of kind of new media and you folks
are out there on the web. Folks may want to
connect with you, whether they're living in Oklahoma or whether
they say, boy, these folks just have some interesting stories.
I'd love to see what they're doing. How does someone
connect with.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
You on Facebook? It is probably the easiest way. I
Chota Behavioral Health has a Facebook page and anytime we
have an event, we share it on Facebook. We have
a lot of pictures there. That's when we have an event,
we try to take pictures and share those. So probably
Facebook would be the best place to connect with us.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
So now you guys can spell it Choda. But there's
a lot of folks who say, what are they saying?
How do they find you on Facebook?

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Okay, e Choda is e c h o t a.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Okay at Chota and is that an ancient Cherokee.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's one of our traditional towns. So there
is a treaty of new Echoda and at a Choda
ceremonial ground. So Echoda has a significant background in history
to its name.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Okay, so Echoda behavioral health. Right, look, you guys up
on Facebook. I can connect with you, connect with your community. Yes,
for folks who say, boy, I wish we had people
like Marcella wish we had people like Caleb in our community.
Maybe they're Native American, but they're in an urban area.

(54:29):
They don't really feel connected with other Indigenous peoples. What
kind of messaging do you have to them? Maybe they're struggling.
They listened to your stories and they say, well, I'm
in that spud category. You know, I'm not at a
place where I feel healthy. I'm worried about cancer or
I'm worried about mental health issues. What do you say

(54:50):
to those folks?

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I think it takes small changes, because you know, when
I started. I started with that first fifteen minutes walking
and then I did not eat healthy and I knew that,
but as I started to walk, my diet changed. I
began to drink water, I ate more healthy foods, and
then I just decided, you know, I feel so much

(55:13):
better since I started this journey. And that's when I
started encouraging other people. You know, look at me. If
I can do it, you can do it. And then
it was very powerful with kids because they didn't want
to really look at a forty seven year old woman
and think I was a runner. And then they would
see me running on the roads and they would be like,
I saw you running the other day, and then they

(55:34):
would say, are you training for something? And then they
just would get all involved in what I was doing.
So to me, just being out there and the kids
seeing me running and I would bring medals. When I
would get medals, I would bring metals to the classroom
and share with them, and it just made them feel
like they could do it. So and I think that's
a lot with the adults too. When I've shared my story,

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they said, you just make me feel like I want
to run or I to do something. So to me,
that promise that I kept to Janet has been kept.
I really feel like it has.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
It's hard to argue with that, Caleb, what about you.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Be intentional and the steps that you want to make,
and then once you find the path that feels right
to you, embody it. Don't go through the motions. That's
one of the hardest things to do is to embody
those changes you need to make in your own life.
If you're going through the motions, you start to hesitate,

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you don't believe in it in yourself. So if you're
wanting to learn your traditional ways of life, be intentional.
Whenever you go find elders and show up, show up consistently,
show up and support the elders, show up for yourself.
And whenever you're consistent with your intentions, you'll start to

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build your worth within yourself and elders will see that
as well, and then they may pass on some wisdom
and be intentional on how you're involved in your community.
Community is the center of our indigenous identities, but we're
a part of many communities. So find the communities of

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where you're at and try to make it better. If
you're making it worse, you're not being a good relative,
and that's what we need to be, is good relatives.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I hear a powerful message coming from both of you,
and that is don't just sit where you're at. There's
room for improvement. Take some encouragement from Marcella's story, take
some encouragement from Calvin and his journey. And even though
it may not seem like you're making a big step
or a big change, we can all be part of

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moving in the right direction, individually and for our communities.
Am I hearing you guys right?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
People want to get a hold of you. You've already
told us Facebook is the best way to do it.
One more time. What do they need to remember? What
my listeners need to remember if they want to connect with.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
You, guys, Echoda behavioral health. We are on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Caleb spell that Echoda one more time.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
E C H t A.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Thank you guys both so very much. You pulled away
from a lot of excitement here. Thank you for sharing
your stories, your enthusiasm with my listeners.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Thank you for having us with them.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
We have to step away. On that note, I just
again want to thank Caleb Procter and Marcella Morton for
joining me. Thank you each listener for joining us today
for this edition of American, Indian and Alaska Native Living.
As always on doctor David Duroux's wishing you the very
best of health.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Native Voice one the Native American radio network