November 17, 2025 • 58 mins
Host: David DeRose, MD, MPH. Guests: Bella Potts (Plains Cree), Youth Team Leader, Mamawi Atosketan Native School; Shanniel Fisher, President, Eden Valley Institute of Wellness; and Kaylene WeirCox, MD, Medical Director, Uchee Pines Institute. Description: This week’s program highlights three institutions making a lasting difference in their communities and beyond. From the plains of Central Alberta, Bella Potts shares how Indigenous youth are being empowered through education, faith, and leadership at Mamawi Atosketan Native School. President Shanniel Fisher explains how Colorado’s Eden Valley Institute of Wellness uses natural remedies, organic farming, and spiritual programming to help people overcome chronic diseases. And in Alabama, Dr. Kaylene WeirCox of the Uchee Pines Institute shares how her journey from surgeon to lifestyle medicine specialist has enabled her to help patients prevent illness and reclaim healthier, more purposeful lives. For further information: MamawiAtosketan.ca; Eden-Valley.org; and Ucheepines.org (334-855-4764)
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to American Indian and Alaska Native Living, a program
designed to educate and inspire listeners throughout Indian country. American
Indian and Alaskan Native Living is hosted by doctor David Deroz,
a board certified specialist in both internal medicine and preventive medicine.
Doctor Deroz has a wide range of experience with native
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health issues, and he is here today to help you
learn more about your health. Here is doctor Deroz.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to American Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm doctor
David DeRose. We are here in this very exciting venue
in Orlando, Florida. We're at the ASI International Convention Summer
of twenty twenty five, and we are visiting with people
from literally all over the world. I've got a couple
of young ladies sitting across from me right now, representing
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a Native school that is in Canada, and one of them, Bella,
has graciously agreed to be the spokesperson for the two
of them. Bella, it's great to have you with us
on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm glad I'm gonna be here. It's very an honor
to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You ladies have a booth here you're representing a native school.
Tell us a little bit about the school and where
it is.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So the school is located in Panoca, Alberta, Canada, and
that is just the Central Eld Alberta. We have about
two hundred and sixty students now and from the principle,
that is the most we have gotten yet, but I
think we're going to get more to come each year.
We have K five to grade twelve. It's a full
on indigenous school and we also go with curriculars like
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the Bible, Bible study and all of that with our
daily studying, but also we incorporate teachings from our community,
our land based teachings, and our traditional teachers as well.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So you grew up right in that area, is that's
safe to say? Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I am just about ten minutes out from the school.
We are very close in the community.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Tell us a little bit about your tribal roots.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
We're planes Cree from threety six of Canada.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So a lot of folks don't know the terminology that
you use up in Canada for indigenous peoples. But you
actually grew up right in that community. Were you on?
Did they call it reserves up there? Is it?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Reserves, but short term the kids in the community, we
just call it short res Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So just like whether you're down here in the Lower
forty eight or Canada, it's the res yeah, okay, So
that's your background, and there's this school. Is the school
actually on the reserve?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Unfortunately not. It's just on the outskirts of the reserve,
but it's located on Panoca, which is just the next
town over, So it is very close to the community,
but just not inside of it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And am I understanding correctly? The students who attend there
are pretty much exclusively Native?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh? Absolutely, yes, all of the students have Indigenous backgrounds.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay. So, very very interesting school because it's operated by
an outside entity, but it's a special there for Native youth.
Now you have a very interesting story because you grew
up in this community. Tell us the name of the school.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
First of all, the school we are representing is mama
away A tuscat In Native School.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay. Now, I confided with you ladies before the show,
I've heard of mam away a Tuscatin for many years.
I still don't think I pronounced it correctly. You guys
have been trying to give me some lessons.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You're getting pretty close. You're getting pretty.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Close, but it actually means something in the Kree language.
What it means it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Means working together native school. So we have this program
actually called Inspire mam Away and it's called Inspire Working.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, So you actually had the opportunity Bella to attend
the school, but you also had other options for native
education that were right on the reserve and I understand
that correctly. And you came to a point in life
where you had to make a decision where did you
choose to go to school.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I decided to do school in my community, and I
think that is based on my connection with the school itself,
my connection with my friends, and just my connection with
this gay. I don't want to say that it's like
different teachings, but I really enjoyed the atmosphere and chaoticness.
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I know a lot of people don't like chaoticness, but
I personally loved it at the school. So I just
really enjoyed a lot of people in the school, and
I just enjoyed being friendly and open with everyone there.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Okay, So what I hear you saying is you knew
about Mamaweya Tusca ten, and you're involved with this school now,
which is operated by the Seventh Day Adventist Church. But
you said, you know, as a high school student myself,
I'm going to go to this local school and you
kind of interesting how you describe it. You so it's
more chaotic. So I'm assuming you feel like it's a
more peaceful environment at Tusca ten.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh, absolutely, very peaceful, very chill. They're very like, it's
not chaotic. Okay, yeah, it's not chaotic gat all. Compared
to the private schools in the community. It's compared to
like six hundred kids to like two hundred kids. It's
a big difference. But I personally enjoyed a lot of
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people am I surrounding.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So why I love your story is because you know,
we've been featuring a number of educational institutions here at
Asi and you know, some people think, oh, well, Deroz
has these people on because he thinks everybody should go
to a Christian school or go to a school that
has this philosophy. So I love the fact that you
resonate with the values of maunway a Tusk attend. But
you're saying, well, it's not for everyone, it's an option
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and the school that you're representing here in Alberta is
actually a day school, right, it's not a boarding school.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Correct, Yeah, it's a day school.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So tell us what you're doing now with the school.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right now, I'm working with the chaplain. We do youth
development programs in the community and we're focusing now on
summer youth employment for the high school students. Last year
we started this team for the students that we had
about eight students and this year we upped up to
fifteen students that we have part time in full time.
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They do construction, they do youth developing programs with the
community like us, like soccer camp, BBS, community service, all
of that, and we're teaching them to do leadership, teamwork,
and determination.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
M I love the practical emphasis that many of the
programs we've been featuring here have had, and so really
hearing this. And I know when you and I were
speaking off air before we sat behind the mics, you
were saying, you're getting really excited about a new program
that you're going to be offering the student. Now, some
might feel a little bit uncomfortable with this. What is
the new area of training that you're offering? There?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Me and my pastor were talking about starting a new
beekeeping course. He is a part time beekeeper, like I
like to say. He doesn't like to say that, but
he's a beekeeper and we provide the honey within the
community and the school, and I think that'd be a
very good opportunity for the students to learn how to
take care bees and just do environmental stuff. And the
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other program I'm very interested in, and it's not up
and ground, but it is talks about it and I'm
very interested about it is doing natural remedies, home remedies,
very natural resource to help with health and beauty within
the community, so we can kind of separate ourselves from
the pharmaceutical area of life. Yeah, I think just because
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back then we were very land based teachings, very close
to the environmental stuff in the world. I would love
to get back to our roots and I want to
show them that there's more out there with our culture
because I feel like we're very limited, but we have
so much more to learn and so much more to
see within our community that we're kind of blinded by
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from modern things in the world.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So folks are listening to you, I know you have
a little bit of radio experience, and you're sharing, you know,
with passion. A lot of folks may be wondering, well,
how old is this young lady? Are you willing to
disclose your age for us?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I am twenty one years old.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I think it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yes, I am very thankful for the opportunities that I've
gotten in the life that I have. I couldn't be
here without my pastor and without the support of my
church and the sport with my family. I am beyond thankful.
I feel like I have no words to show the
gratitude that I have, no and.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I can see that in you. I can see your
passion for other young people and how you and I
did have a chance to meet the chaplain. He has
some interesting background too, having roots in Africa and indigenous
roots there and now ending up in Alberta working with
Cree Nation and other Native American tribes. So here's one
of the questions Bella that often comes up for a
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young lady twenty one years of age. There's a lot
of things you could be doing that many people would say, Hey,
you get you know, great opportunities out there. You know
you can see the world, do things. Why would you
choose to stay right where you're at and work with
a school all the as large as it is by
you know, private Native school standards, still is pretty small
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fish in a big pond when it comes to all
opportunities in the world. What gave you that vision to
stay by and try to give back to your community.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I would say it's heavily based on the students. I
feel like I know how it is to live in
the community and to experience the normal experiences in the community.
It could be very toxic, and I just have a
passion to let them have a safe space to talk
about the religion because in the community there's still some
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skepticism of the church, and that's just from like generational past.
But I want to show them that God is good
and that he loves everyone. And the past is so unfortunate,
of course, but the future is bright with God, and
I see a future with these kids. And I know
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that's hard to be in the community with like certain
stuff and it could be dangerous. But I'm just looking
to build a safe space within the community. And I
know these kids personally, like I have relationship with them,
and some of them are my nieces and nephews, and
some of them are even my cousins within the community.
So I have this strong poll to help them do
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better in life, but also to see that there is
so much more to life that they could do and
it's not limited. They're not limited. And when I was
in the community younger, I thought I was limited. It's
tough to reach out. But once I got into church
and knew that I had support, I feel like I
can reach for stars now, and I want them to
feel the same way. I feel of like the sky
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is the limit, like you can do so much more
in life.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I so appreciate what I'm hearing is a consistent message
from a lot of the folks here who are working
in Indian country, many First nation peoples. I hear this
narrative that a lot of them feel Christianity was terribly
misrepresented by people that call themselves Christians. Oppression, you know,
all kinds of things that were done in quote the
name of God, and I just see people like yourself
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saying no, if you really get to know the creators,
yeah that I've gotten to know, you'd see that it
adds something to your life. And so I really appreciate
you taking your energy and your enthusiasm and trying to
inspire other young people at the high school age that
this is a resource for you. It's not something you
should be running from, even though there's some pretty dark
chapters and people that have called themselves Christian. You're especially
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working with summer programming. Tell us some things that have
excited you, maybe a student or two, not mentioning them
by name, of course, but something that you saw, something click,
or something they got inspired with.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So a few weeks ago, I was at Alberta Camp
meeting and we were with the students there. They were
doing construction. They were building a gazebo for their project
of doing inspire Mama Babe. And there is this one girl.
I'm very close with her, and she's going through a
very tough time right now, but she's still clinging off
to hope. And something about that is just so BEAUTI
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full of like being in the midst of a storm
but still holding on to hope. And that kind of
realized that, like, as long as the kids have support
and someone to lean on, that they can go far
in life. So I think her story, in her little
moment at the Alberta Camp meeting like made me realize
that sometimes the kids all they need is just support
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and encouragement.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think this is so beautiful. So many of us
find ourselves with ever age, we are in places that
are kind of dark, challenging, difficult. And what I hear
you saying, Bella, is that you're really helping build resiliency.
Oh yeah, young people saying, there's people here who are
by your side. We've got reason to be hopeful, we
don't need to give up. And then just to see
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that clicking in the life of a young person is inspiring. Now,
there's a lot of folks who tune into the show.
We're on over a couple hundred stations on a number
of networks, So most of them are never going to
be able to visit your school. Even though I've been
in Alberta even recently lecturing at a university there, never
got to swing by your campus there, So that's still
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a deficiency in my life experience. But for those who
will never be at your school, never be in your community,
never be able to benefit from some of the programming
that you're doing for kids there, what kind of messages
would you give to young people if you say two
key takeaways to young people or people older, maybe they're
going through something difficult right now. What would you encourage
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them with.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think being very open with your hearts and your
minds of other cultures and other people. I think if
you're open, then there's so much possibilities and opportunities that
can come into your life. And who knows where that
could take you. It could take you to the best
of the world.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Beautiful, beautiful mom Away at Tuscaton is the name of
the school. It's a native school in Alberta, Canada. You've
been very gracious to pull away from the booth and
just one last question, any interesting encounters that the booth.
Are people getting excited about what you're doing?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Oh? Absolutely, it's very shocking to see if people come
to our booth and not know that the school existed
or it is even there. But it's very beautiful to
see that they're very interested and it's rigued to know
what we do and what we serve.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Bella. I'm inspired by your example. You've had some good
moral support here across the table with you.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Thankful for my sister, and thank you so much for
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Continued success.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Thank you so much. It has been a pleasure Thank
you for giving me the opportunity and a platform to
talk about the school that we represent and our community.
Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2 (17:47):
Welcome back to American, Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm
doctor David deurose. We are broadcasting well, we're recording from
this exciting venue with a lot of activity. It's ASI
twenty twenty five in Orlando, Florida. We've been especially talking
with folks who are making a difference in Indian country,
people who are working with health programming, educational programming, and
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across from me is someone who's making a big difference
as far as natural healing, especially in the Western US,
Shaniel Fisher.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
It's sure great to have you with us today. Thank you,
doctor de Rose. It is a joy to be here
and it's a wonderful thing that is going on here today.
Side great to see you, and I'm so happy for
what you're doing for the American, Indian and Native Alaskan people.
In the I radio show.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
This is beautiful now, it's exciting, and it's wonderful to
rub shoulders with people in Indian country as well as
talking with folks like you. I know you're touching people
really throughout the world at Eden Valley. Just an anecdote
for you as well as for my listeners. So when
I graduated from medical school in southern California, I had
heard about these innovative lifestyle centers. A lot people would
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come and live and they'd focus on health problems and
there'd be a medical team that would help them make
intensive changes. And one of the places that was on
my radar screen that I'd never been to was a
place called Eden Valley in Colorado. And so on my
way back to the Midwest from Southern California, I stopped
by Eden Valley and was very impressed by the facility there.
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You are now the president of Eden Valley Institute. Tell
us for someone who knows nothing about what you do,
just what happens at your institution.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
Well, thank you, thank you very much, and I'm very
happy that you were able to visit and see a
little bit what we do there. So for those who
don't know Eden Valley, we have a wellness center there.
I'll talk a little bit about that later. We also
have a farm that we have intern farm interns that
comes and they learn about the farm on the job.
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They learned with our farm team how to grow. But
more than the internship, we supply eight farmers' markets with
our produce. Eight farmers Marke farmers' markets in the area
of Loveland, Fort Collins, Estes Park, Boulder, shy Enne heading
off towards Wyoming. So this is a beautiful thing that
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we do. We also have a medical missionary Training program
and that is a six month missionary training program where
people come, they learn about health. Young people want to
go back and serve in other countries or right here
in the US. They're able to learn about health and
the Bible and they're trained and then they go back
to impact their communities. And lastly, we do have a
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health food store right there on the campus as well,
which carries a wide array of health food. So those
are the main entities right there at Eden Valley.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So there's a lot of folks that pass through the gates,
if you will, of Eden Valley. I was one of
them years ago, and folks I hear talking about eating
Valley just in the circles I'm in most for intensive
health programs. Tell us a little bit about why people
would leave anywhere in the country of the world and
travel to probably fly into Denver maybe and then drive
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up to your facility.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
Yeah, so yes, flying definitely into Denver. It's an hour
and fifteen minutes from our facility. We are thirty five
minutes from the Rocky Mountains, so we're right at the
foothills of the Rocky Mountains. But you know, if I
would say, why would someone want to come to Eden
Valley for especially that the health retreat the two week
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we have a fourteen day lifestyle program where we're helping
people to change their lifestyle. They are learning the things
that knowing you some of the things you teach on
healthy living and lifestyle change, but those with conditions, especially cancers,
comes to our center. Because we use various herbs to
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help the people. We also are using iperthermia bads. We
can talk about that a little later, but yes, we're
using the hot fever bass we call them to help
to boost up the immune system. Iperbaric iye. Oxygenated therapy.
That one that is a really good therapy that people
really enjoy. They do feel like there's more oxygen in
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their blood by using that and their diet. A lot
of our foods.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Straight from the farm very nice.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
It's a table as we call it, very nice. So
straight from the farm, you're getting a lot of your veggies,
but also your fruits. We have about half an acre
of raspberries, oh wow, growing there, so the guests are
able to get their raspberries fresh in the morning of breakfast.
And strawberries. We have twelve thousand plants of strawberries.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Twelve thousand, that is correct.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
And so just the beauty of the place alone helps
and enhance healing. So it's an amazing setup that God
has given here in the valley.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I love the concept. I think back some years ago.
I had a friend who actually was diagnosed with cancer,
went through the standard therapy, and he said, I want
to do more though, I want to do all that
I can do to improve my immune system to get
on a healthy lifestyle. And somehow he learned about Eating
Valley and went out there, and I know he had
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a very good experience from what he shared.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
That's right. And you know, actually I'm just at Eden
Valley now almost four years. So before that, I've worked
in some other institutions, health ministries, And when I arrived
at Eden Valley, I asked, how did you guys get into,
you know, dealing with cancer and helping especially with cancer patients.
And they told me the way it got started was
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someone that had a amazing experience at Eating Value with cancer.
They went there for cancer, the lifestyle changes, everything was
so good. They went back and their doctors they couldn't
find the cancer anymore. He was doing so well, still
alive today where it's about maybe fifteen years ago. Wow,
and still alive. And then he went back and he
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was sharing a testimony in three yn about what God
did for him. And the phones went off for those
with cancers started calling Eden Valley. Even though Eden Valley
wasn't renowned for cancer, I learned because of this experience.
The phones started going off. People asks, how can I
come my family member has cancer? I have cancer and
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so the protocol had to be completely changed up so
that we can facilitate cancer patients. And now it has
evolved more into helping a lot of these conditions, a
wider array of complications, but especially we do have a
special cancer protocol and that has been a blessing to people.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Now that brings up one of the questions because a
lot of these lifestyle centers have been well known for
many years for diabetes, diabetic complications, heart disease, HELT, blood pressure.
And someone's listening to our interview right now and I say, well,
that's great to know about cancer, but I don't know
that I want to go to a facility with a
bunch of people dying of cancer if I'm just dealing
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with diabetes. Do you get that concern?
Speaker 9 (25:00):
We get that when they're on the phone, and then
we help them to realize no, we deal with diabetes
as well, hypertension, overweight, stress management, just a lot of
the typical diseases that we know today. Right the lifestyle
disease is we see people come all the time with
that and every session we have to have a good
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ratio of cancer patients with the other patients because we're
not able to deal with a large amount of cancer
patients in the same session, and therefore we mix it
up and they're always just They get along so well
because those without cancer are very touched with what someone
with cancers are dealing with and they're able to share
some wonderful relationships. So for those who may be wondering
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are as a concern regarding going there where a lot
of cancer patients, you may not have to worry about
that because we do have a good mixture and you
perhaps someone with diabetes can be a good influence on
a person cancer and encourage them. And at Eaden Valley
we also take patients that I'm mobile, So if a
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person has the cancer whatever condition and they can't walk
around and move around, we're not able to take them
because our session has a lot to do with exercise
and movements. So all guests are mobile, so they all
can move around freely and that's a beautiful thing. They
get the fellowship and chair together.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So it's not a hospital, no, okay, but you do
have medical staff on site and it's a medically driven program.
Speaker 9 (26:30):
Right, yes, medically driven program, medical staff on site, but
our operations is different from the hospital. The guests are there,
they all see the physician, they get their medical rounds.
We have licensed massage therapists that gives massage to them
in a unique way. We have the hydrotherapist and all
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trained people that are ministering to them during their time
they're leading Valley.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Now, there's a lot of folks who've heard not only
about the lifestyle programs for those who are ill, but
they caught that you at Eden Valley have an educational program.
We don't have a lot of time, but if you
could kind of give us some broad strokes, who might
be someone who should be thinking about at least checking
out the website and learning more about that program. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
So, if you're wanting to be more involved in mission,
you want to serve in right here in the US
or in a foreign country, but you just want some
basic information understanding of medical missionary work. That's what we
offer there at Eden Valley. So you learn on the
basics of the human body, amp diseases and how to
(27:42):
help people naturally with those diseases. You learn about massage, hydrotherapy, nutrition,
those kind of things, and then Bible classes. So there's
six months that you're learning missionary training. We have health
expos that you're learning how to do. But yeah, on
our website that is edendash Valley dot org. You jump
(28:05):
on that and you're able to find lots more information
about our missionary training program.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So if I go to edend dash Valley dot org
dot org, yes, then I can learn about all the
programs you talked about to all the programs.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
You will see services on the top of the website
and once you click that, you're able to see the
Lifestyle Center, Medical Missionary and all the phone programs right there.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
This is wonderful, Chaniel, I know you've got a busy
booth here at the venue. Thanks so much for pulling
away sharing your enthusiasm for Eden Valley with my listeners.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Hey, it's great to be here, doctor Deroz. It's my
joy and yes, it's a joy to help people around
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Speaker 2 (31:47):
Welcome back to our second half of today's edition of
American Indian and Alaska Native Living. I am doctor David Deurose.
I have got an exciting guest in front of me,
Kayleen Weircox, Doctor Kayleen Wrecocks. Kayleen, it's great to have
you with us.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's good to be here.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You are heading up another lifestyle center. We just featured
Eden Valley, and I was sharing with my listeners that
as a young even well I just graduated from medical school,
I had heard about these lifestyle centers and wanted to
visit some of them. A number of them were around
back then and still are around. Eden Valley was one
of them. I also on that trip, if I'm not
(32:27):
creating a false memory, stopped at your institution. Youuchue Pines
Institute there and Seal, Alabama. Tell us a little bit
about Uchue Pines, where you're at and what you guys
are all about.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
As you said, Uchie Pines Institute is in Seal, Alabama,
and your audience there is my perk up by that name,
Uchi Pines. We do have some Indian heritage in Uchie
Pines Institute. The founders, Agatha Thrash and Calvin Thrash had
(33:00):
some Indian heritage and also one of our administrator's assistants
was her father was a Uci Indian. Okay, Yes, and
so we have that tie to the Uchi area and
Uchi Pines Institute. But Uci Pines Institute is one of
the wellness centers that is operating here in the United States,
(33:23):
and we are in Seal, Alabama, and.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's a beautiful facility. I've been there. I was there
in the old days before you had this I say
new facility is probably what ten to fifteen years old.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Now it's about fifteen years old now.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, Okay, Well, that definitely dates my encounters with Uchie Pines.
But I've always enjoyed the campus, very peaceful there, and
I also remember amazing farms. Do you still run such
a nice farm there?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yes, we have a wonderful farm right in the middle
of the campus and our farm manager, Andrew, does an
amazing job. The orchard is amazing and all of the
produce that we're getting from there is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I think it's so exciting. And I know you have
a similar philosophy as Eden Valley, where you actually try
to grow much of the food you're serving the folks
that come through your program.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeh, exactly exactly that fresh farm to table food. Nothing
can beat it, and that is exactly what we're trying
to do. Supply as much as possible from the farm
to the table of our guests.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So many of us find ourselves in a field that
is now called lifestyle medicine. I've been doing that long
before people were calling it that, And a lot of
my peers who are in this line come from primary
care specialty background, so my training is internal medicine. I
also have boards in preventive medicine, family practice, and some
(34:45):
of the common career paths into lifestyle medicine. You are
an MD as well, but you have a more unconventional path.
Tell us a little bit about your story.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yes, you can try to call it unconventional. Yes, my
specialty or certified in general surgery and had no thoughts
whatsoever about lifestyle medicine. I was happily going forward and
loving and enjoying general surgery. I love the r but
(35:17):
as I was going through, one of the things that
you will hear a general surgeon say is a chance
to cut, is a chance to cure, and when you're
talking about trauma and acute care surgery, that is actually.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
True for sure.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
But when you start talking about chronic diseases like diabetes
and high blood pressure and where we interact with those people,
we start cutting off toes and then the foot and
then the leg. You know, it just that creep right
up until the person passes away. And so a chance
(35:53):
to cut is not really a chance to cure. You
keep them out of the grave immediately because that toe
or will foot is dead and it has to be removed.
But you don't cure anything, and they come back with
another dead toe, dead foot, and it's that continuing cycle.
And I was seeing a lot of that. In fact,
(36:13):
the zip code where my practice was was the area
in the United States with the highest per capita amputations
due to diabetes.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Wow, that was in Columbia, South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So you're seeing as a surgeon a lot of people
that you may well have been saying, if only exactly,
if only i'd seen them before, I could have educated
them exactly. So now you're actually on that end of
the equation.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
That's absolutely right, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
So tell us a little bit about that. What are
you seeing at you two pines of you know, who
are the people that are walking through your doors?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
And so these are some of the same people diabetes,
heart disease, high blood pressure. But these are the individual
was before the toad dies, before the foot is dead,
before that diabetic ulcer. And we have that opportunity to,
as you well know, reverse these diseases before they end
(37:14):
up causing serious and significant complications. It's an amazing, amazing thing.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It is. Now here's the big challenge, and you and
I both know this, But I'm interested in your perspective
at Uchi Pines, because I know you guys historically have
done a lot more than just rendered services for people
who walk through your doors. But here's my question. The
sad thing is, you know, the person will may come
in with that ulcer or that gangren his foot, but
they wouldn't come in for diabetes management or to learn
(37:43):
how to care for their diabetes. They thought they were
just fine with whatever pills they were taking or excellent
shots they were taking. They fell fine even though their
blood sugars were running two fifty or three hundred or
even four hundred, okay, And so you historically, Uchue Pines,
I remember doctor Agatha Thrash going throughout the country doing
health programs. Is this still part of the vision for
(38:05):
Uchie Pines to take your message beyond the walls of
the institution.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Absolutely, that is a key part of what we do.
All of the providers at YouTube Pines go out and
do what we call health emphasis weekends at churches, at schools,
at different anywhere we're invited. Anyone who will take us
will come. Okay, tell that there's a better way. So yes,
(38:31):
we enjoy that. We have a training program for people
who are interested in learning about what we call the
medical missionary work. And even our students go out and
teach what they've learned so far. So that's a major
part of what we do.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know, as I've looked at these programs at places
like you guys run at Uchie Pines, Eden Valley. We
mentioned in the previous segment, I said, you know, this
would be amazing training for community health Worluely. We have
a lot of people who go through the program and
then go into that type of work or as a
more international interest that folks come through your facility. We've
(39:10):
seen a lot.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Of international interest and individuals coming from different countries to
learn and then go back to their home countries. But
we do have some individuals that come from around the
United States that want to maybe do something in their community,
and so we do see that as well. The training
takes a little bit of time and so that can
(39:33):
be an issue for individuals. But yes, we do see
both aspects of that. But we do get more folks
coming internationally to go back home and set something up there.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So we talked a little bit about your lifestyle general
surgeon seeing all these lifestyle preventable or treatable conditions, but
there's still a difference between going into the r every
day and having an outpatient practice surgical practice and ending
up full time. I presume at Youuchue Pines. Now, there's
(40:04):
got to be more of the story than that. There is.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
There is a lot, but it's a long story.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well give us a shortened version, because I think it's
a fascinating story.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
So, like I said, I was looking at these feet
and legs that I was putting in buckets and saying,
there's got to be a better way. There's got to
be something better, and I started looking into lifestyle medicine. However,
as you said this is typically primary care. And so
I felt convicted that this is something that is very
(40:35):
important and this is where the difference would be made.
But I didn't think that was for me.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Is okay? Okay?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
So I encouraged my sister, who's an interness. Okay, hey,
you need to look into this lifestyle medicine.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Did your sister get interested?
Speaker 4 (40:49):
He did?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Okay, and she did.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
She's an internal medicine. She went and got bored her
to fighted in lifestyle medicine and she was getting people
off of their medication. That was great, But I was
still feeling that conviction that there's something that you need
to do.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
And so during COVID, when the hospitals were cutting back
on their elective surgeries, and remember they considered things elective
anything that would not kill you within the next forty
eight hours. Wow, So that means that your colon resection
for colon cancer was canceled, that's crazy elective. Your mastectomy
(41:29):
for breast cancer was canceled because that was elective. So
during that period a lot of surgeons were just sitting
on their hands for a while. And so during that time,
also the boards for the lifestyle medicine course was put
all online.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Because people couldn't go anywhere exactly.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
So that's when God said, take this program. So I
did it online. I was still working in general surgery
but not doing much surgery, and so I did that
online and got brought a board certified in November, and
then I got called to Utue Pines in February.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
So this is February of what year one, twenty twenty one.
So here we are, summer of twenty twenty five. Yes,
you've bet Uchie Pines for over.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Four years, been at Uchi Pans for four years?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
And did you jump right in as the medical director
or was that that's what I was called to do?
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I had met doctor Sandoval and he was leaving to
start a new ministry and he asked me to come
and replace him there.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Okay, so how has that journey been.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
It's been awesome. Okay, it's been awesome. The team did
I work with at Uchu Pines. I have not worked
with a team like that. It's been a wonderful experience
and it's just amazing because my thoughts were, Okay, I
love the oar and I know this is where God
has put me. And now God's put me someplace else,
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but he put a love for that in me years.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Wonderful, wonderful. So that has been so you haven't been
going through withdrawal from the operating room.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
No, it's been a joy. I've enjoyed every bit of it.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Now as a general surgeon, do you find that you've
brought some of those general surgery skills into the lifestyle
medicine clinic if someone has some minor surgical procedures needed.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yes, oh wow, yes, And that's been fun as well.
I have been training some of the other medical staff
to do little minor procedures and utilizing the ultrasound and
all stuff. So that's been fun as well.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
So you've really got a diverse range of services that
you're offering. There too many lifestyle centers have the surgical
options available.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
That is true. That is true.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So we want to talk about some of the things
that have kept you for the last four years at
YouTube Pines, maybe some success stories and things people that
have impacted your life. But before we do that, we're
gonna have to step away briefly. I don't want to
leave this segment though, without telling people how they can
get a hold of folks at UCHU Pines. How do
they do that?
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Well, they can always check us out on our website,
which is Uchi Pines dot O r G. Again that's
Uchipines dot o RG.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now you got to help us because a lot of
folks are listening to saying how do you expel ucci?
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Okay, so that is U C H E E P
I N E S dot O RG.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
We got it all right, I got Uchi Pines dot org.
So basically if I go there, I can find out
about the lifestyle programs. I can find out out the
training programs. Yes, and can I even find out your
schedule like when you're traveling around doing these health emphasis weeks?
Or is that a little tougher to track down.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
That you would not be able to find on the website.
But you can always give us a call. And the
number is three three four eight five five four seven
six four.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Okay, that went by a pretty quick for me. Give
it one more time, three.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Three four, eight five five for seven six'. Four.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Okay we'll give that all out again in our next.
Segment but we do have to step away just, Briefly Doctor.
Wircox kaylene is staying. By we've got a final segment
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Speaker 2 (48:01):
DeRose welcome back for our final segment of today's edition
Of American indian And Alaska Native, Living Doctor david deurose
across from, me Doctor kayleen Weir, Cox Doctor, warecox we've
been speaking about your amazing journey from a general surgeon
to a lifestyle medicine physician heading up the medical team
At Uchipines institute in, Sel, alabama If i'm remembering, correctly
(48:24):
just across the river From, Columbus. Georgia.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, okay it's great to have you And i'm enjoying your,
story BUT i know it takes more than just a
sense of calling to keep someone in a. Place it
basically takes some return on your. Investment so what kind
of things have you been seeing in the lives of
real people that have inspired you to continue on with
(48:48):
what you're.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Doing you're absolutely, right you need to see, results and
that's what keeps you in a. Place and that's WHAT
i have seen At. Utubepine and for, example there was
a conference just recently where folks who are in the
(49:11):
faith to WHICH i, belong The Adventist, faith joined, together
the whole world church joined, together The General. CONFERENCE i
was at that conference and a lady came up to. Me, well, no,
first her husband came up to. Me did not know
who he, was and he, SAID i just want to thank,
you AND i had no idea who he. Was and
then he stepped aside AND i saw her and she
(49:34):
was a former patient of ours who had breast cancer
and she had stage three disease and she did not
want to do, chemotherapy so she came to Ut. PINES
i encouraged her to do the, surgery which was recommended
what she did, do but she did not do any.
(49:55):
Chemotherapy so she. Came she had treatments beforehand she had
the sur she came back for additional. Treatments she also
had something on her foot that they did not know
what it. Was it was you could feel it inside
on the, foot but they didn't know whether it was
assist Or we did not have our ultrasound at that,
time so we couldn't ultrasound, it but we did do
(50:17):
some treatments to her foot as. Well come to find,
out she and her husband are now telling me this.
Story she's no more breast. Cancer to breast cancer was completely.
Gone but what was in her foot also was an
aggressive sarcoma whoa that they had no. Idea she had
been misdiagnosed and told that it was just some type of.
(50:40):
Assist she had had a scan before she was told
it was. Assist the scan once they told me the
report was, suspicious but at that time she was told
it was, assisted and her doctor told her that he
is shocked and amazed that it had not progressed at.
(51:02):
All and she is absolutely certain that that's because of
the treatments that she had At Uchi pines before she
had because this was months later that she had come seen.
Us we did, treatments and then a couple of months
later she went back to the, Doctor so this was
maybe six months from when they scanned, her and then
(51:23):
she went back and they found out actually what it
was and did the. Biopsy they were able to remove.
It she has no cancer. Either the breast cancer or that,
sarcoma and so those are the type of stories that
and the things that we actually see that are just.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Amazing it is really. Amazing so, basically If i'm understanding the, story,
right she's got this aggressive cancer in her, foot and
normally an aggressive cancer is going to grow, quickly exactly,
exact and so this would be. UNUSUAL i, mean there's
some cancers that are more, indolent, right that don't grow as. Rapidly,
right you might not be as surprised if several months
(51:58):
things hadn't. Changed R but so definitely not the story
you'd expect. Exactly this patient of yours, Said, HEY i
know what the difference. WAS i went through this comprehensive
program At uchi.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Pines, yes that was an amazing.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Story that is an amazing. Story what about the folks
that may not have the stories that are quite as?
Amazing you, know it's always struck me if you help
someone break free of commercial, tobacco they may never develop lung.
Cancer they're not all that likely to come back and
seek you out and say you saved my. Life you,
know you've got helped me to stop. Smoking but if
(52:35):
they developed the lung cancer and you cut out one
of their lungs and they. Survived they would it seems
a bit ironic that the things that you prevent were
not as grateful. For we can understand, that, Right so
tell me maybe about some folks that have come in
with conditions that may be more pervasive than having two
different cancers at the same, time maybe high blood, pressure.
(52:59):
Diabetes you see consistently good results with these, conditions oh.
Speaker 4 (53:03):
Absolutely and one of the things that we do At
Iuchie pines is we check the guests and the patient's
lab work before they start the. Treatments so the first
day that they come, in they get lab work done
so we can see where they, are and then at the,
end before they, leave we check the lab work. Again
(53:23):
for two. Reasons number, one we want them to see
objective evidence of the difference this is. Making. Right we
let them, know now it's not going to be one
hundred percent better in just the seventeen. Days sometimes it actually,
is but we try to manage those. Expectations, however we
(53:46):
want them to see that this is making a significant.
Difference so that's one. Reason the other reason is so
that if we need to make any adjustments before they go,
home on what we recommend that they. Do we want
to be able to do that at the end as,
well so we check those labs, beforehand we check those
labs at the. End and it's also amazing the differences
(54:08):
that we can see the HEMOGLOBIN a one cee coming
down and the cholesterol even even though that's typically a
little bit, slower but we can even see that coming.
Down we see those numbers improving from day one to
day seventeen every.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Time, no it's. Amazing So i've worked in a number
of centers myself over the, years and you remind me
of a story some guy who came through the program
and the end of the, program after we'd seen his lab,
work he got up and, said you, KNOW i came,
here BUT i wasn't going to go home and change
all my. Lifestyle but he, said WHEN i saw that lab, work,
yeah he, SAID i said to, Myself i'd be a
(54:43):
fool not to stick with this. Program so it's very,
reinforcing isn't It what it looks, like did they make a?
Mistake is this really my? Blood but it really.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Is Absolutely that's exactly.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Why we do.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
It that is. TREMENDOUS i know some of the centers
over the years have also done and stress. TESTS i
know those aren't as commonly done in medicine in. General
is that anything that you've incorporated At uchi over the.
Years we have.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
Not we will depending on what the guest comes in
or what the patient comes in. With we do do,
ekg's but we haven't done stress tests on the patients
when they come. In we haven't gone down that.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Road so now here's the other question THAT i think
folks want to. Know some of them may come by
your website and we want to hear that again in
just a, moment but others may never make it down
to your beautiful. Facility AND i want to give you
an opportunity to give a few pointers that people could
do to help mitigate maybe diseases they already. Have before
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we do, it, though first of, all give us the website.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
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four eight five five four seven six'.
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five five four seven. Sixty four. That's correct AND what
i read between the lines is not only can folks
find out maybe where you're speaking or others on, your
team but maybe they can even book you to. Come
out they. Certainly, Can, Okay okay so three. Quick things
what can someone do it to really turn back the
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clock or? Prevent disease three.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
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Speaker 2 (56:39):
More, water okay.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
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around the world are just not drinking. Enough Water can.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
I'm putting this into practice while, you're talking, Keep going.
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Get outside get outside in the, fresh air in. The
SUNSHINE and i know that some people are living in the,
big city and so if you're someplace where it's nothing
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but concrete, and steel even in all of the cities
IN the us there, are parks get outside where there's
some trees. And, plants okay that's. Number two and number
three is get. To bed what you might, Consider early, oh.
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Well that MEANS what i. Consider earlier is there some
objective figure of earliness.
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to say get to bed at least before. Ten o'clock
and some people may, be saying oh, my, goodness tertra'clock
and sometimes it's. Still daytime right in, my brain it's
still daytime at. Ten o'clock there's SO much i need,
to do but getting to bed early is another thing
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that would be making a. Huge difference those three. Things
alone there's a whole lot to listen, to lifestyle as you,
well know but those three things alone will make a.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Huge, difference, Amazing Amazing Doctor, kayleen weircox thank you so
much for pulling away and. Joining us you're.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Very welcome i've.
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Speaker 2 (58:23):
Having me kayleen is the medical Director Of Uchi Pines
institute uchipines. Dot org that's uc ch EE p i N.
E s I'm Doctor. David deuroz it's been great to
have you as our listeners joining us here Virtually, In,
orlando florida twenty twenty five AT The. Asi convention as
always On, doctor deroz wishing you the very best. Of
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Health
Speaker 6 (58:51):
Native, voice One The native american radio network
Welcome to American Indian and Alaska Native Living, a program
designed to educate and inspire listeners throughout Indian country. American
Indian and Alaskan Native Living is hosted by doctor David Deroz,
a board certified specialist in both internal medicine and preventive medicine.
Doctor Deroz has a wide range of experience with native
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health issues, and he is here today to help you
learn more about your health. Here is doctor Deroz.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to American Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm doctor
David DeRose. We are here in this very exciting venue
in Orlando, Florida. We're at the ASI International Convention Summer
of twenty twenty five, and we are visiting with people
from literally all over the world. I've got a couple
of young ladies sitting across from me right now, representing
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a Native school that is in Canada, and one of them, Bella,
has graciously agreed to be the spokesperson for the two
of them. Bella, it's great to have you with us
on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm glad I'm gonna be here. It's very an honor
to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You ladies have a booth here you're representing a native school.
Tell us a little bit about the school and where
it is.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So the school is located in Panoca, Alberta, Canada, and
that is just the Central Eld Alberta. We have about
two hundred and sixty students now and from the principle,
that is the most we have gotten yet, but I
think we're going to get more to come each year.
We have K five to grade twelve. It's a full
on indigenous school and we also go with curriculars like
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the Bible, Bible study and all of that with our
daily studying, but also we incorporate teachings from our community,
our land based teachings, and our traditional teachers as well.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So you grew up right in that area, is that's
safe to say? Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I am just about ten minutes out from the school.
We are very close in the community.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Tell us a little bit about your tribal roots.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
We're planes Cree from threety six of Canada.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So a lot of folks don't know the terminology that
you use up in Canada for indigenous peoples. But you
actually grew up right in that community. Were you on?
Did they call it reserves up there? Is it?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Reserves, but short term the kids in the community, we
just call it short res Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So just like whether you're down here in the Lower
forty eight or Canada, it's the res yeah, okay, So
that's your background, and there's this school. Is the school
actually on the reserve?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Unfortunately not. It's just on the outskirts of the reserve,
but it's located on Panoca, which is just the next
town over, So it is very close to the community,
but just not inside of it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And am I understanding correctly? The students who attend there
are pretty much exclusively Native?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh? Absolutely, yes, all of the students have Indigenous backgrounds.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay. So, very very interesting school because it's operated by
an outside entity, but it's a special there for Native youth.
Now you have a very interesting story because you grew
up in this community. Tell us the name of the school.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
First of all, the school we are representing is mama
away A tuscat In Native School.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay. Now, I confided with you ladies before the show,
I've heard of mam away a Tuscatin for many years.
I still don't think I pronounced it correctly. You guys
have been trying to give me some lessons.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You're getting pretty close. You're getting pretty.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Close, but it actually means something in the Kree language.
What it means it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Means working together native school. So we have this program
actually called Inspire mam Away and it's called Inspire Working.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, So you actually had the opportunity Bella to attend
the school, but you also had other options for native
education that were right on the reserve and I understand
that correctly. And you came to a point in life
where you had to make a decision where did you
choose to go to school.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I decided to do school in my community, and I
think that is based on my connection with the school itself,
my connection with my friends, and just my connection with
this gay. I don't want to say that it's like
different teachings, but I really enjoyed the atmosphere and chaoticness.
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I know a lot of people don't like chaoticness, but
I personally loved it at the school. So I just
really enjoyed a lot of people in the school, and
I just enjoyed being friendly and open with everyone there.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Okay, So what I hear you saying is you knew
about Mamaweya Tusca ten, and you're involved with this school now,
which is operated by the Seventh Day Adventist Church. But
you said, you know, as a high school student myself,
I'm going to go to this local school and you
kind of interesting how you describe it. You so it's
more chaotic. So I'm assuming you feel like it's a
more peaceful environment at Tusca ten.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh, absolutely, very peaceful, very chill. They're very like, it's
not chaotic. Okay, yeah, it's not chaotic gat all. Compared
to the private schools in the community. It's compared to
like six hundred kids to like two hundred kids. It's
a big difference. But I personally enjoyed a lot of
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people am I surrounding.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So why I love your story is because you know,
we've been featuring a number of educational institutions here at
Asi and you know, some people think, oh, well, Deroz
has these people on because he thinks everybody should go
to a Christian school or go to a school that
has this philosophy. So I love the fact that you
resonate with the values of maunway a Tusk attend. But
you're saying, well, it's not for everyone, it's an option
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and the school that you're representing here in Alberta is
actually a day school, right, it's not a boarding school.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Correct, Yeah, it's a day school.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So tell us what you're doing now with the school.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right now, I'm working with the chaplain. We do youth
development programs in the community and we're focusing now on
summer youth employment for the high school students. Last year
we started this team for the students that we had
about eight students and this year we upped up to
fifteen students that we have part time in full time.
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They do construction, they do youth developing programs with the
community like us, like soccer camp, BBS, community service, all
of that, and we're teaching them to do leadership, teamwork,
and determination.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
M I love the practical emphasis that many of the
programs we've been featuring here have had, and so really
hearing this. And I know when you and I were
speaking off air before we sat behind the mics, you
were saying, you're getting really excited about a new program
that you're going to be offering the student. Now, some
might feel a little bit uncomfortable with this. What is
the new area of training that you're offering? There?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Me and my pastor were talking about starting a new
beekeeping course. He is a part time beekeeper, like I
like to say. He doesn't like to say that, but
he's a beekeeper and we provide the honey within the
community and the school, and I think that'd be a
very good opportunity for the students to learn how to
take care bees and just do environmental stuff. And the
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other program I'm very interested in, and it's not up
and ground, but it is talks about it and I'm
very interested about it is doing natural remedies, home remedies,
very natural resource to help with health and beauty within
the community, so we can kind of separate ourselves from
the pharmaceutical area of life. Yeah, I think just because
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back then we were very land based teachings, very close
to the environmental stuff in the world. I would love
to get back to our roots and I want to
show them that there's more out there with our culture
because I feel like we're very limited, but we have
so much more to learn and so much more to
see within our community that we're kind of blinded by
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from modern things in the world.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So folks are listening to you, I know you have
a little bit of radio experience, and you're sharing, you know,
with passion. A lot of folks may be wondering, well,
how old is this young lady? Are you willing to
disclose your age for us?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I am twenty one years old.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I think it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yes, I am very thankful for the opportunities that I've
gotten in the life that I have. I couldn't be
here without my pastor and without the support of my
church and the sport with my family. I am beyond thankful.
I feel like I have no words to show the
gratitude that I have, no and.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I can see that in you. I can see your
passion for other young people and how you and I
did have a chance to meet the chaplain. He has
some interesting background too, having roots in Africa and indigenous
roots there and now ending up in Alberta working with
Cree Nation and other Native American tribes. So here's one
of the questions Bella that often comes up for a
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young lady twenty one years of age. There's a lot
of things you could be doing that many people would say, Hey,
you get you know, great opportunities out there. You know
you can see the world, do things. Why would you
choose to stay right where you're at and work with
a school all the as large as it is by
you know, private Native school standards, still is pretty small
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fish in a big pond when it comes to all
opportunities in the world. What gave you that vision to
stay by and try to give back to your community.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I would say it's heavily based on the students. I
feel like I know how it is to live in
the community and to experience the normal experiences in the community.
It could be very toxic, and I just have a
passion to let them have a safe space to talk
about the religion because in the community there's still some
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skepticism of the church, and that's just from like generational past.
But I want to show them that God is good
and that he loves everyone. And the past is so unfortunate,
of course, but the future is bright with God, and
I see a future with these kids. And I know
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that's hard to be in the community with like certain
stuff and it could be dangerous. But I'm just looking
to build a safe space within the community. And I
know these kids personally, like I have relationship with them,
and some of them are my nieces and nephews, and
some of them are even my cousins within the community.
So I have this strong poll to help them do
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better in life, but also to see that there is
so much more to life that they could do and
it's not limited. They're not limited. And when I was
in the community younger, I thought I was limited. It's
tough to reach out. But once I got into church
and knew that I had support, I feel like I
can reach for stars now, and I want them to
feel the same way. I feel of like the sky
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is the limit, like you can do so much more
in life.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I so appreciate what I'm hearing is a consistent message
from a lot of the folks here who are working
in Indian country, many First nation peoples. I hear this
narrative that a lot of them feel Christianity was terribly
misrepresented by people that call themselves Christians. Oppression, you know,
all kinds of things that were done in quote the
name of God, and I just see people like yourself
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saying no, if you really get to know the creators,
yeah that I've gotten to know, you'd see that it
adds something to your life. And so I really appreciate
you taking your energy and your enthusiasm and trying to
inspire other young people at the high school age that
this is a resource for you. It's not something you
should be running from, even though there's some pretty dark
chapters and people that have called themselves Christian. You're especially
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working with summer programming. Tell us some things that have
excited you, maybe a student or two, not mentioning them
by name, of course, but something that you saw, something click,
or something they got inspired with.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So a few weeks ago, I was at Alberta Camp
meeting and we were with the students there. They were
doing construction. They were building a gazebo for their project
of doing inspire Mama Babe. And there is this one girl.
I'm very close with her, and she's going through a
very tough time right now, but she's still clinging off
to hope. And something about that is just so BEAUTI
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full of like being in the midst of a storm
but still holding on to hope. And that kind of
realized that, like, as long as the kids have support
and someone to lean on, that they can go far
in life. So I think her story, in her little
moment at the Alberta Camp meeting like made me realize
that sometimes the kids all they need is just support
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and encouragement.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think this is so beautiful. So many of us
find ourselves with ever age, we are in places that
are kind of dark, challenging, difficult. And what I hear
you saying, Bella, is that you're really helping build resiliency.
Oh yeah, young people saying, there's people here who are
by your side. We've got reason to be hopeful, we
don't need to give up. And then just to see
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that clicking in the life of a young person is inspiring. Now,
there's a lot of folks who tune into the show.
We're on over a couple hundred stations on a number
of networks, So most of them are never going to
be able to visit your school. Even though I've been
in Alberta even recently lecturing at a university there, never
got to swing by your campus there, So that's still
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a deficiency in my life experience. But for those who
will never be at your school, never be in your community,
never be able to benefit from some of the programming
that you're doing for kids there, what kind of messages
would you give to young people if you say two
key takeaways to young people or people older, maybe they're
going through something difficult right now. What would you encourage
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them with.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think being very open with your hearts and your
minds of other cultures and other people. I think if
you're open, then there's so much possibilities and opportunities that
can come into your life. And who knows where that
could take you. It could take you to the best
of the world.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Beautiful, beautiful mom Away at Tuscaton is the name of
the school. It's a native school in Alberta, Canada. You've
been very gracious to pull away from the booth and
just one last question, any interesting encounters that the booth.
Are people getting excited about what you're doing?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Oh? Absolutely, it's very shocking to see if people come
to our booth and not know that the school existed
or it is even there. But it's very beautiful to
see that they're very interested and it's rigued to know
what we do and what we serve.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Bella. I'm inspired by your example. You've had some good
moral support here across the table with you.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Thankful for my sister, and thank you so much for
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Continued success.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Thank you so much. It has been a pleasure Thank
you for giving me the opportunity and a platform to
talk about the school that we represent and our community.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We have to step away just briefly. We're going to
continue today's edition of American Indian and Alaska Native Living.
I've got some other great guests lined up. You don't
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We'll be back with more.
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Speaker 2 (17:47):
Welcome back to American, Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm
doctor David deurose. We are broadcasting well, we're recording from
this exciting venue with a lot of activity. It's ASI
twenty twenty five in Orlando, Florida. We've been especially talking
with folks who are making a difference in Indian country,
people who are working with health programming, educational programming, and
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across from me is someone who's making a big difference
as far as natural healing, especially in the Western US,
Shaniel Fisher.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
It's sure great to have you with us today. Thank you,
doctor de Rose. It is a joy to be here
and it's a wonderful thing that is going on here today.
Side great to see you, and I'm so happy for
what you're doing for the American, Indian and Native Alaskan people.
In the I radio show.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
This is beautiful now, it's exciting, and it's wonderful to
rub shoulders with people in Indian country as well as
talking with folks like you. I know you're touching people
really throughout the world at Eden Valley. Just an anecdote
for you as well as for my listeners. So when
I graduated from medical school in southern California, I had
heard about these innovative lifestyle centers. A lot people would
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come and live and they'd focus on health problems and
there'd be a medical team that would help them make
intensive changes. And one of the places that was on
my radar screen that I'd never been to was a
place called Eden Valley in Colorado. And so on my
way back to the Midwest from Southern California, I stopped
by Eden Valley and was very impressed by the facility there.
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You are now the president of Eden Valley Institute. Tell
us for someone who knows nothing about what you do,
just what happens at your institution.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
Well, thank you, thank you very much, and I'm very
happy that you were able to visit and see a
little bit what we do there. So for those who
don't know Eden Valley, we have a wellness center there.
I'll talk a little bit about that later. We also
have a farm that we have intern farm interns that
comes and they learn about the farm on the job.
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They learned with our farm team how to grow. But
more than the internship, we supply eight farmers' markets with
our produce. Eight farmers Marke farmers' markets in the area
of Loveland, Fort Collins, Estes Park, Boulder, shy Enne heading
off towards Wyoming. So this is a beautiful thing that
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we do. We also have a medical missionary Training program
and that is a six month missionary training program where
people come, they learn about health. Young people want to
go back and serve in other countries or right here
in the US. They're able to learn about health and
the Bible and they're trained and then they go back
to impact their communities. And lastly, we do have a
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health food store right there on the campus as well,
which carries a wide array of health food. So those
are the main entities right there at Eden Valley.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So there's a lot of folks that pass through the gates,
if you will, of Eden Valley. I was one of
them years ago, and folks I hear talking about eating
Valley just in the circles I'm in most for intensive
health programs. Tell us a little bit about why people
would leave anywhere in the country of the world and
travel to probably fly into Denver maybe and then drive
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up to your facility.
Speaker 9 (21:08):
Yeah, so yes, flying definitely into Denver. It's an hour
and fifteen minutes from our facility. We are thirty five
minutes from the Rocky Mountains, so we're right at the
foothills of the Rocky Mountains. But you know, if I
would say, why would someone want to come to Eden
Valley for especially that the health retreat the two week
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we have a fourteen day lifestyle program where we're helping
people to change their lifestyle. They are learning the things
that knowing you some of the things you teach on
healthy living and lifestyle change, but those with conditions, especially cancers,
comes to our center. Because we use various herbs to
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help the people. We also are using iperthermia bads. We
can talk about that a little later, but yes, we're
using the hot fever bass we call them to help
to boost up the immune system. Iperbaric iye. Oxygenated therapy.
That one that is a really good therapy that people
really enjoy. They do feel like there's more oxygen in
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their blood by using that and their diet. A lot
of our foods.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Straight from the farm very nice.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
It's a table as we call it, very nice. So
straight from the farm, you're getting a lot of your veggies,
but also your fruits. We have about half an acre
of raspberries, oh wow, growing there, so the guests are
able to get their raspberries fresh in the morning of breakfast.
And strawberries. We have twelve thousand plants of strawberries.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Twelve thousand, that is correct.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
And so just the beauty of the place alone helps
and enhance healing. So it's an amazing setup that God
has given here in the valley.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I love the concept. I think back some years ago.
I had a friend who actually was diagnosed with cancer,
went through the standard therapy, and he said, I want
to do more though, I want to do all that
I can do to improve my immune system to get
on a healthy lifestyle. And somehow he learned about Eating
Valley and went out there, and I know he had
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a very good experience from what he shared.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
That's right. And you know, actually I'm just at Eden
Valley now almost four years. So before that, I've worked
in some other institutions, health ministries, And when I arrived
at Eden Valley, I asked, how did you guys get into,
you know, dealing with cancer and helping especially with cancer patients.
And they told me the way it got started was
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someone that had a amazing experience at Eating Value with cancer.
They went there for cancer, the lifestyle changes, everything was
so good. They went back and their doctors they couldn't
find the cancer anymore. He was doing so well, still
alive today where it's about maybe fifteen years ago. Wow,
and still alive. And then he went back and he
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was sharing a testimony in three yn about what God
did for him. And the phones went off for those
with cancers started calling Eden Valley. Even though Eden Valley
wasn't renowned for cancer, I learned because of this experience.
The phones started going off. People asks, how can I
come my family member has cancer? I have cancer and
(24:19):
so the protocol had to be completely changed up so
that we can facilitate cancer patients. And now it has
evolved more into helping a lot of these conditions, a
wider array of complications, but especially we do have a
special cancer protocol and that has been a blessing to people.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Now that brings up one of the questions because a
lot of these lifestyle centers have been well known for
many years for diabetes, diabetic complications, heart disease, HELT, blood pressure.
And someone's listening to our interview right now and I say, well,
that's great to know about cancer, but I don't know
that I want to go to a facility with a
bunch of people dying of cancer if I'm just dealing
(24:57):
with diabetes. Do you get that concern?
Speaker 9 (25:00):
We get that when they're on the phone, and then
we help them to realize no, we deal with diabetes
as well, hypertension, overweight, stress management, just a lot of
the typical diseases that we know today. Right the lifestyle
disease is we see people come all the time with
that and every session we have to have a good
(25:21):
ratio of cancer patients with the other patients because we're
not able to deal with a large amount of cancer
patients in the same session, and therefore we mix it
up and they're always just They get along so well
because those without cancer are very touched with what someone
with cancers are dealing with and they're able to share
some wonderful relationships. So for those who may be wondering
(25:44):
are as a concern regarding going there where a lot
of cancer patients, you may not have to worry about
that because we do have a good mixture and you
perhaps someone with diabetes can be a good influence on
a person cancer and encourage them. And at Eaden Valley
we also take patients that I'm mobile, So if a
(26:05):
person has the cancer whatever condition and they can't walk
around and move around, we're not able to take them
because our session has a lot to do with exercise
and movements. So all guests are mobile, so they all
can move around freely and that's a beautiful thing. They
get the fellowship and chair together.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So it's not a hospital, no, okay, but you do
have medical staff on site and it's a medically driven program.
Speaker 9 (26:30):
Right, yes, medically driven program, medical staff on site, but
our operations is different from the hospital. The guests are there,
they all see the physician, they get their medical rounds.
We have licensed massage therapists that gives massage to them
in a unique way. We have the hydrotherapist and all
(26:52):
trained people that are ministering to them during their time
they're leading Valley.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Now, there's a lot of folks who've heard not only
about the lifestyle programs for those who are ill, but
they caught that you at Eden Valley have an educational program.
We don't have a lot of time, but if you
could kind of give us some broad strokes, who might
be someone who should be thinking about at least checking
out the website and learning more about that program. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:18):
So, if you're wanting to be more involved in mission,
you want to serve in right here in the US
or in a foreign country, but you just want some
basic information understanding of medical missionary work. That's what we
offer there at Eden Valley. So you learn on the
basics of the human body, amp diseases and how to
(27:42):
help people naturally with those diseases. You learn about massage, hydrotherapy, nutrition,
those kind of things, and then Bible classes. So there's
six months that you're learning missionary training. We have health
expos that you're learning how to do. But yeah, on
our website that is edendash Valley dot org. You jump
(28:05):
on that and you're able to find lots more information
about our missionary training program.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So if I go to edend dash Valley dot org
dot org, yes, then I can learn about all the
programs you talked about to all the programs.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
You will see services on the top of the website
and once you click that, you're able to see the
Lifestyle Center, Medical Missionary and all the phone programs right there.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
This is wonderful, Chaniel, I know you've got a busy
booth here at the venue. Thanks so much for pulling
away sharing your enthusiasm for Eden Valley with my listeners.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Hey, it's great to be here, doctor Deroz. It's my
joy and yes, it's a joy to help people around
the world.
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Speaker 2 (31:47):
Welcome back to our second half of today's edition of
American Indian and Alaska Native Living. I am doctor David Deurose.
I have got an exciting guest in front of me,
Kayleen Weircox, Doctor Kayleen Wrecocks. Kayleen, it's great to have
you with us.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's good to be here.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You are heading up another lifestyle center. We just featured
Eden Valley, and I was sharing with my listeners that
as a young even well I just graduated from medical school,
I had heard about these lifestyle centers and wanted to
visit some of them. A number of them were around
back then and still are around. Eden Valley was one
of them. I also on that trip, if I'm not
(32:27):
creating a false memory, stopped at your institution. Youuchue Pines
Institute there and Seal, Alabama. Tell us a little bit
about Uchue Pines, where you're at and what you guys
are all about.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
As you said, Uchie Pines Institute is in Seal, Alabama,
and your audience there is my perk up by that name,
Uchi Pines. We do have some Indian heritage in Uchie
Pines Institute. The founders, Agatha Thrash and Calvin Thrash had
(33:00):
some Indian heritage and also one of our administrator's assistants
was her father was a Uci Indian. Okay, Yes, and
so we have that tie to the Uchi area and
Uchi Pines Institute. But Uci Pines Institute is one of
the wellness centers that is operating here in the United States,
(33:23):
and we are in Seal, Alabama, and.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's a beautiful facility. I've been there. I was there
in the old days before you had this I say
new facility is probably what ten to fifteen years old.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Now it's about fifteen years old now.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, Okay, Well, that definitely dates my encounters with Uchie Pines.
But I've always enjoyed the campus, very peaceful there, and
I also remember amazing farms. Do you still run such
a nice farm there?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yes, we have a wonderful farm right in the middle
of the campus and our farm manager, Andrew, does an
amazing job. The orchard is amazing and all of the
produce that we're getting from there is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I think it's so exciting. And I know you have
a similar philosophy as Eden Valley, where you actually try
to grow much of the food you're serving the folks
that come through your program.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeh, exactly exactly that fresh farm to table food. Nothing
can beat it, and that is exactly what we're trying
to do. Supply as much as possible from the farm
to the table of our guests.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So many of us find ourselves in a field that
is now called lifestyle medicine. I've been doing that long
before people were calling it that, And a lot of
my peers who are in this line come from primary
care specialty background, so my training is internal medicine. I
also have boards in preventive medicine, family practice, and some
(34:45):
of the common career paths into lifestyle medicine. You are
an MD as well, but you have a more unconventional path.
Tell us a little bit about your story.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yes, you can try to call it unconventional. Yes, my
specialty or certified in general surgery and had no thoughts
whatsoever about lifestyle medicine. I was happily going forward and
loving and enjoying general surgery. I love the r but
(35:17):
as I was going through, one of the things that
you will hear a general surgeon say is a chance
to cut, is a chance to cure, and when you're
talking about trauma and acute care surgery, that is actually.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
True for sure.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
But when you start talking about chronic diseases like diabetes
and high blood pressure and where we interact with those people,
we start cutting off toes and then the foot and
then the leg. You know, it just that creep right
up until the person passes away. And so a chance
(35:53):
to cut is not really a chance to cure. You
keep them out of the grave immediately because that toe
or will foot is dead and it has to be removed.
But you don't cure anything, and they come back with
another dead toe, dead foot, and it's that continuing cycle.
And I was seeing a lot of that. In fact,
(36:13):
the zip code where my practice was was the area
in the United States with the highest per capita amputations
due to diabetes.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Wow, that was in Columbia, South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So you're seeing as a surgeon a lot of people
that you may well have been saying, if only exactly,
if only i'd seen them before, I could have educated
them exactly. So now you're actually on that end of
the equation.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
That's absolutely right, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
So tell us a little bit about that. What are
you seeing at you two pines of you know, who
are the people that are walking through your doors?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
And so these are some of the same people diabetes,
heart disease, high blood pressure. But these are the individual
was before the toad dies, before the foot is dead,
before that diabetic ulcer. And we have that opportunity to,
as you well know, reverse these diseases before they end
(37:14):
up causing serious and significant complications. It's an amazing, amazing thing.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It is. Now here's the big challenge, and you and
I both know this, But I'm interested in your perspective
at Uchi Pines, because I know you guys historically have
done a lot more than just rendered services for people
who walk through your doors. But here's my question. The
sad thing is, you know, the person will may come
in with that ulcer or that gangren his foot, but
they wouldn't come in for diabetes management or to learn
(37:43):
how to care for their diabetes. They thought they were
just fine with whatever pills they were taking or excellent
shots they were taking. They fell fine even though their
blood sugars were running two fifty or three hundred or
even four hundred, okay, And so you historically, Uchue Pines,
I remember doctor Agatha Thrash going throughout the country doing
health programs. Is this still part of the vision for
(38:05):
Uchie Pines to take your message beyond the walls of
the institution.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Absolutely, that is a key part of what we do.
All of the providers at YouTube Pines go out and
do what we call health emphasis weekends at churches, at schools,
at different anywhere we're invited. Anyone who will take us
will come. Okay, tell that there's a better way. So yes,
(38:31):
we enjoy that. We have a training program for people
who are interested in learning about what we call the
medical missionary work. And even our students go out and
teach what they've learned so far. So that's a major
part of what we do.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know, as I've looked at these programs at places
like you guys run at Uchie Pines, Eden Valley. We
mentioned in the previous segment, I said, you know, this
would be amazing training for community health Worluely. We have
a lot of people who go through the program and
then go into that type of work or as a
more international interest that folks come through your facility. We've
(39:10):
seen a lot.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Of international interest and individuals coming from different countries to
learn and then go back to their home countries. But
we do have some individuals that come from around the
United States that want to maybe do something in their community,
and so we do see that as well. The training
takes a little bit of time and so that can
(39:33):
be an issue for individuals. But yes, we do see
both aspects of that. But we do get more folks
coming internationally to go back home and set something up there.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So we talked a little bit about your lifestyle general
surgeon seeing all these lifestyle preventable or treatable conditions, but
there's still a difference between going into the r every
day and having an outpatient practice surgical practice and ending
up full time. I presume at Youuchue Pines. Now, there's
(40:04):
got to be more of the story than that. There is.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
There is a lot, but it's a long story.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well give us a shortened version, because I think it's
a fascinating story.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
So, like I said, I was looking at these feet
and legs that I was putting in buckets and saying,
there's got to be a better way. There's got to
be something better, and I started looking into lifestyle medicine. However,
as you said this is typically primary care. And so
I felt convicted that this is something that is very
(40:35):
important and this is where the difference would be made.
But I didn't think that was for me.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Is okay? Okay?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
So I encouraged my sister, who's an interness. Okay, hey,
you need to look into this lifestyle medicine.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Did your sister get interested?
Speaker 4 (40:49):
He did?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Okay, and she did.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
She's an internal medicine. She went and got bored her
to fighted in lifestyle medicine and she was getting people
off of their medication. That was great, But I was
still feeling that conviction that there's something that you need
to do.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
And so during COVID, when the hospitals were cutting back
on their elective surgeries, and remember they considered things elective
anything that would not kill you within the next forty
eight hours. Wow, So that means that your colon resection
for colon cancer was canceled, that's crazy elective. Your mastectomy
(41:29):
for breast cancer was canceled because that was elective. So
during that period a lot of surgeons were just sitting
on their hands for a while. And so during that time,
also the boards for the lifestyle medicine course was put
all online.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Because people couldn't go anywhere exactly.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
So that's when God said, take this program. So I
did it online. I was still working in general surgery
but not doing much surgery, and so I did that
online and got brought a board certified in November, and
then I got called to Utue Pines in February.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
So this is February of what year one, twenty twenty one.
So here we are, summer of twenty twenty five. Yes,
you've bet Uchie Pines for over.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Four years, been at Uchi Pans for four years?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
And did you jump right in as the medical director
or was that that's what I was called to do?
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I had met doctor Sandoval and he was leaving to
start a new ministry and he asked me to come
and replace him there.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Okay, so how has that journey been.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
It's been awesome. Okay, it's been awesome. The team did
I work with at Uchu Pines. I have not worked
with a team like that. It's been a wonderful experience
and it's just amazing because my thoughts were, Okay, I
love the oar and I know this is where God
has put me. And now God's put me someplace else,
(42:49):
but he put a love for that in me years.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Wonderful, wonderful. So that has been so you haven't been
going through withdrawal from the operating room.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
No, it's been a joy. I've enjoyed every bit of it.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Now as a general surgeon, do you find that you've
brought some of those general surgery skills into the lifestyle
medicine clinic if someone has some minor surgical procedures needed.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yes, oh wow, yes, And that's been fun as well.
I have been training some of the other medical staff
to do little minor procedures and utilizing the ultrasound and
all stuff. So that's been fun as well.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
So you've really got a diverse range of services that
you're offering. There too many lifestyle centers have the surgical
options available.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
That is true. That is true.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So we want to talk about some of the things
that have kept you for the last four years at
YouTube Pines, maybe some success stories and things people that
have impacted your life. But before we do that, we're
gonna have to step away briefly. I don't want to
leave this segment though, without telling people how they can
get a hold of folks at UCHU Pines. How do
they do that?
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Well, they can always check us out on our website,
which is Uchi Pines dot O r G. Again that's
Uchipines dot o RG.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now you got to help us because a lot of
folks are listening to saying how do you expel ucci?
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Okay, so that is U C H E E P
I N E S dot O RG.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
We got it all right, I got Uchi Pines dot org.
So basically if I go there, I can find out
about the lifestyle programs. I can find out out the
training programs. Yes, and can I even find out your
schedule like when you're traveling around doing these health emphasis weeks?
Or is that a little tougher to track down.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
That you would not be able to find on the website.
But you can always give us a call. And the
number is three three four eight five five four seven
six four.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Okay, that went by a pretty quick for me. Give
it one more time, three.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Three four, eight five five for seven six'. Four.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Okay we'll give that all out again in our next.
Segment but we do have to step away just, Briefly Doctor.
Wircox kaylene is staying. By we've got a final segment
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Speaker 2 (48:01):
DeRose welcome back for our final segment of today's edition
Of American indian And Alaska Native, Living Doctor david deurose
across from, me Doctor kayleen Weir, Cox Doctor, warecox we've
been speaking about your amazing journey from a general surgeon
to a lifestyle medicine physician heading up the medical team
At Uchipines institute in, Sel, alabama If i'm remembering, correctly
(48:24):
just across the river From, Columbus. Georgia.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, okay it's great to have you And i'm enjoying your,
story BUT i know it takes more than just a
sense of calling to keep someone in a. Place it
basically takes some return on your. Investment so what kind
of things have you been seeing in the lives of
real people that have inspired you to continue on with
(48:48):
what you're.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Doing you're absolutely, right you need to see, results and
that's what keeps you in a. Place and that's WHAT
i have seen At. Utubepine and for, example there was
a conference just recently where folks who are in the
(49:11):
faith to WHICH i, belong The Adventist, faith joined, together
the whole world church joined, together The General. CONFERENCE i
was at that conference and a lady came up to. Me, well, no,
first her husband came up to. Me did not know
who he, was and he, SAID i just want to thank,
you AND i had no idea who he. Was and
then he stepped aside AND i saw her and she
(49:34):
was a former patient of ours who had breast cancer
and she had stage three disease and she did not
want to do, chemotherapy so she came to Ut. PINES
i encouraged her to do the, surgery which was recommended
what she did, do but she did not do any.
(49:55):
Chemotherapy so she. Came she had treatments beforehand she had
the sur she came back for additional. Treatments she also
had something on her foot that they did not know
what it. Was it was you could feel it inside
on the, foot but they didn't know whether it was
assist Or we did not have our ultrasound at that,
time so we couldn't ultrasound, it but we did do
(50:17):
some treatments to her foot as. Well come to find,
out she and her husband are now telling me this.
Story she's no more breast. Cancer to breast cancer was completely.
Gone but what was in her foot also was an
aggressive sarcoma whoa that they had no. Idea she had
been misdiagnosed and told that it was just some type of.
(50:40):
Assist she had had a scan before she was told
it was. Assist the scan once they told me the
report was, suspicious but at that time she was told
it was, assisted and her doctor told her that he
is shocked and amazed that it had not progressed at.
(51:02):
All and she is absolutely certain that that's because of
the treatments that she had At Uchi pines before she
had because this was months later that she had come seen.
Us we did, treatments and then a couple of months
later she went back to the, Doctor so this was
maybe six months from when they scanned, her and then
(51:23):
she went back and they found out actually what it
was and did the. Biopsy they were able to remove.
It she has no cancer. Either the breast cancer or that,
sarcoma and so those are the type of stories that
and the things that we actually see that are just.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Amazing it is really. Amazing so, basically If i'm understanding the, story,
right she's got this aggressive cancer in her, foot and
normally an aggressive cancer is going to grow, quickly exactly,
exact and so this would be. UNUSUAL i, mean there's
some cancers that are more, indolent, right that don't grow as. Rapidly,
right you might not be as surprised if several months
(51:58):
things hadn't. Changed R but so definitely not the story
you'd expect. Exactly this patient of yours, Said, HEY i
know what the difference. WAS i went through this comprehensive
program At uchi.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Pines, yes that was an amazing.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Story that is an amazing. Story what about the folks
that may not have the stories that are quite as?
Amazing you, know it's always struck me if you help
someone break free of commercial, tobacco they may never develop lung.
Cancer they're not all that likely to come back and
seek you out and say you saved my. Life you,
know you've got helped me to stop. Smoking but if
(52:35):
they developed the lung cancer and you cut out one
of their lungs and they. Survived they would it seems
a bit ironic that the things that you prevent were
not as grateful. For we can understand, that, Right so
tell me maybe about some folks that have come in
with conditions that may be more pervasive than having two
different cancers at the same, time maybe high blood, pressure.
(52:59):
Diabetes you see consistently good results with these, conditions oh.
Speaker 4 (53:03):
Absolutely and one of the things that we do At
Iuchie pines is we check the guests and the patient's
lab work before they start the. Treatments so the first
day that they come, in they get lab work done
so we can see where they, are and then at the,
end before they, leave we check the lab work. Again
(53:23):
for two. Reasons number, one we want them to see
objective evidence of the difference this is. Making. Right we
let them, know now it's not going to be one
hundred percent better in just the seventeen. Days sometimes it actually,
is but we try to manage those. Expectations, however we
(53:46):
want them to see that this is making a significant.
Difference so that's one. Reason the other reason is so
that if we need to make any adjustments before they go,
home on what we recommend that they. Do we want
to be able to do that at the end as,
well so we check those labs, beforehand we check those
labs at the. End and it's also amazing the differences
(54:08):
that we can see the HEMOGLOBIN a one cee coming
down and the cholesterol even even though that's typically a
little bit, slower but we can even see that coming.
Down we see those numbers improving from day one to
day seventeen every.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Time, no it's. Amazing So i've worked in a number
of centers myself over the, years and you remind me
of a story some guy who came through the program
and the end of the, program after we'd seen his lab,
work he got up and, said you, KNOW i came,
here BUT i wasn't going to go home and change
all my. Lifestyle but he, said WHEN i saw that lab, work,
yeah he, SAID i said to, Myself i'd be a
(54:43):
fool not to stick with this. Program so it's very,
reinforcing isn't It what it looks, like did they make a?
Mistake is this really my? Blood but it really.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Is Absolutely that's exactly.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Why we do.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
It that is. TREMENDOUS i know some of the centers
over the years have also done and stress. TESTS i
know those aren't as commonly done in medicine in. General
is that anything that you've incorporated At uchi over the.
Years we have.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
Not we will depending on what the guest comes in
or what the patient comes in. With we do do,
ekg's but we haven't done stress tests on the patients
when they come. In we haven't gone down that.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Road so now here's the other question THAT i think
folks want to. Know some of them may come by
your website and we want to hear that again in
just a, moment but others may never make it down
to your beautiful. Facility AND i want to give you
an opportunity to give a few pointers that people could
do to help mitigate maybe diseases they already. Have before
(55:41):
we do, it, though first of, all give us the website.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
Again the website once again Is Uchi pines DOT O.
Rg THAT'S U C H E E P I N
E s DOT O. Rg.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Okay and you'd giveiving us a phone number earlier as.
Well could you repeat that?
Speaker 4 (56:02):
Please that's, right and that phone number is three three
four eight five five four seven six'.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Four okay i've got three Three four area code eight
five five four seven. Sixty four. That's correct AND what
i read between the lines is not only can folks
find out maybe where you're speaking or others on, your
team but maybe they can even book you to. Come
out they. Certainly, Can, Okay okay so three. Quick things
what can someone do it to really turn back the
(56:33):
clock or? Prevent disease three.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Quick, things well the first thing is drink.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
More, water okay.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
The vast majority of people In The united states and
around the world are just not drinking. Enough Water can.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
I'm putting this into practice while, you're talking, Keep going.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
So, start there drink. More water the second thing is.
Get outside get outside in the, fresh air in. The
SUNSHINE and i know that some people are living in the,
big city and so if you're someplace where it's nothing
(57:15):
but concrete, and steel even in all of the cities
IN the us there, are parks get outside where there's
some trees. And, plants okay that's. Number two and number
three is get. To bed what you might, Consider early, oh.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Well that MEANS what i. Consider earlier is there some
objective figure of earliness.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
What you might. Consider, Early no so what we would like,
to say get to bed at least before. Ten o'clock
and some people may, be saying oh, my, goodness tertra'clock
and sometimes it's. Still daytime right in, my brain it's
still daytime at. Ten o'clock there's SO much i need,
to do but getting to bed early is another thing
(58:02):
that would be making a. Huge difference those three. Things
alone there's a whole lot to listen, to lifestyle as you,
well know but those three things alone will make a.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Huge, difference, Amazing Amazing Doctor, kayleen weircox thank you so
much for pulling away and. Joining us you're.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Very welcome i've.
Speaker 4 (58:21):
Enjoyed, it thorley thank you for.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
Having me kayleen is the medical Director Of Uchi Pines
institute uchipines. Dot org that's uc ch EE p i N.
E s I'm Doctor. David deuroz it's been great to
have you as our listeners joining us here Virtually, In,
orlando florida twenty twenty five AT The. Asi convention as
always On, doctor deroz wishing you the very best. Of
(58:46):
Health
Speaker 6 (58:51):
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