December 15, 2025 • 58 mins
Host: David DeRose, MD, MPH. Guests: Dan Gabbert, mental and spiritual health coach; Kyle Allen, Vice President, AWR. Description: Mental and spiritual health coach Dan Gabbert shares how his own journey toward peace and contentment shapes the guidance he offers others today. Kyle Allen, Vice President of Adventist World Radio, reveals the global impact of AWR’s hope-centered programming, especially in regions where radio is the only lifeline to encouragement and truth. He recounts the remarkable story of hundreds of former rebel soldiers in the Philippines whose lives were transformed after hearing AWR broadcasts—leading them to lay down their weapons, embrace healing, and build peaceful new communities. For further information, visit: AWR.org; AWR360 on YouTube.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to American Indian and Alaska Native Living, a program
designed to educate and inspire listeners throughout Indian country. American
Indian and Alaskan Native Living is hosted by doctor David Deroz,
a board certified specialist in both internal medicine and preventive medicine.
Doctor Deroz has a wide range of experience with native
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health issues, and he is here today to help you
learn more about your health. Here is doctor Deroz.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to today's edition of American Indian and Alaska Native Living.
I'm doctor David DeRose. We're recording another show at an
exciting venue. The venue is Orlando, Florida, at the convention Center.
Here the Orange County Convention Center. The gathering is the
ASI International Convention. For those of you that have been
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listening to previous episodes, you realize that this is a
group of people from throughout the world who are motivated
faith based motivation, but trying to impact communities, trying to
make a difference in practical ways to help people. Yes,
there's often an undergirding Christian philosophy, but that is something
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that these organizations, whether they're helping with physical health, mental health,
practical things on the ground, financial health. They are reaching
across their community. And one of those people that I
am especially pleased to have in the studio is with
me right now, Dan Gabbertt. Dan, it's great to have
you with us.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I am grateful to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Dan, you are not a stranger. If someone has been
listening to this show for the twenty plus years we've
been doing it, you've been my guest before. You have
this unique talent of looking at mental and spiritual health
in a way that I think is very different than
many people have approached it. You describe yourself as a
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mental and spiritual health coach. You do have some formal
training in counseling disciplines. Tell us a little bit about
your background.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't know if I shared this in previous programs
or not, but coming out of a lifestyle of being
a bass player and the lead singer in a rock
and roll band for years, and then finding in this
amazing genre of called Christianity, finding a wonderful best friend
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and savior by the name of Jesus Christ. It has
transformed the way that I approach life and think about
the challenges that we as human beings faced day to day,
regardless of our religious background.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, So what I hear you saying is, if we
look at your life history, there is a time in
life where you would definitely not have considered yourself a Christian.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Far from it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I made fun of them, Okay, Okay, So if you're
listening to today's edition of American, Indian and Alaska Native
Living and you're in the same voe and listen, I'm
going to be the first one to admit this, and Dan,
you can tell me if I'm making you feel uneasy.
But I know many of our listeners as I visit
throughout Indian country, Christianity has been used in ways that
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have oppressed First Nation peoples and misused them. You can
relate to that, right. So some people will say Christianity
that's not bringing any warm feelings at all, right, and
you can relate from your own experience that didn't bring
warm thoughts to you.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I used to make fun of them.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay. So this is a program about mental and spiritual health.
Today you have this change of perspective and you end
up getting formal training as well in mental health counseling. Right,
tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, because of where I was, and the lifestyle that
I lived and the thoughts that controlled my thinking my brain,
I knew that I needed a change in life. However,
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what most people don't realize we become what we think
and the health of the information that we're choosing to
feed our brain, feeding our thinking directly affects the life
we live, either healthy and hope filled or extremely unhealthy
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and damaging and hopeless.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, So basically you come with this realization your own experience,
and just for the record, I found the same thing
in my own But what we dwell on, the things
that we think about, even if we think it's entertaining
or relaxing, is having an impact on her brain.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Not only impact on our brain, but an impact on
our three dimensional health physically, mentally, and spiritually. It's having
a deep, impressive effect on our three dimensional health, not
only physically, but mentally and spiritually.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So I know, for a period of time, Dan, you
worked in a program where people were coming to make
intensive lifestyle changes. They were coming with diabetes or cancer,
heart disease, high blood pressure, mental health challenges, and you
were helping them on this journey dealing with some very
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practical Some people would call them counseling strategies. Can you
tell us a little bit about what you did and
how you found that to make a difference for people.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I can tell you from experience that the individuals who
actually benefited from the lifestyle program that was being promoted
were the ones who actually were willing the physical habits
of living in harmony with healing curriculum for lack of
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better terms, but those who were willing to actually begin
to examine what they were thinking about life situations they're facing,
about people in their life, or people who are directly
affecting their life, about the activities they're involved in and
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everyday living. I could go on, but the reality is
the lifestyle that people choose, what they choose to eat,
what they choose to drink. By the way, I was
an alcoholic before I became a Christian. The people they
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spend time with what they choose to feed their thinking.
I eat, television or videos, even radio has a direct
as a direct effect on a person's health.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So let's kind of build on this framework. So we're
looking at kind of a comprehensive approach to lifestyle. You're saying, hey,
a lot of people got the same amount of information said, hey,
you make these changes, good things will happen. We could
go through a whole list of health enhancing behaviors. But
if something doesn't change on the level of the mind,
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if it's just something, well, let me do this. You
help me, Dan, tell me if this analogy works. If
it doesn't, then we'll make sure we recalibrate. So, as
I'm listening to you speaking about people making, you know,
certain changes, but not willing to look comprehensively at change,
I think of one of my classic examples when people
might come to one of my lectures, say on natural
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treatments for high blood pressure, and there's a group of
people that will come and they don't want to make
any changes in their lifestyle. They just want to get
rid of the blood pressure pills and take a natural supplement.
And I tell them, you know, there's nothing as powerful
as comprehensive lifestyle changes. Is this kind of on this
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continuum road track? Yes, okay, okay, So what we want
to know is that what does this lifestyle look like
when someone would walk into your office, they say, I'm
here for my uncontrolled diabetes, my high blood pressure. I've
had a couple of strokes, but I've bounced back. I
don't seem to have much residual I just don't want
to have that big stroke and be paralyzed. What can
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I do? And they've been hearing from the doctors, you know,
about their cholesterol and blood pressure, and they saw the nutritionists,
and now they're sitting in your office. And what are
you talking with them about?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
What do you enjoy thinking about the people in your life?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So that's how you start your interview. What do you
enjoy thinking?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
What do you enjoy thinking about?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Thinking about?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
What do you enjoy dwelling on in your because his mind,
your mind is constantly actively thinking. We think information. But
the health of the information, the accuracy, the truthfulness of
the information that we're choosing to think on use our thinker.
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Our brain directly affects not only the health of our relationships,
i e. Our relationships with God, our relationships with other people.
In fact, our relationships with our self directly affected by
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our thoughts. But what's so potent about this whole thing
is our thoughts. We're thinking information, the health and accuracy,
the health and truthfulness of the information that we're feeding
our thinker. Our brain directly affects our relationships with other people,
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our relationships with our self, our relationships with challenges of
life that come down the pike, our relationships with activities
that we have opportunity to be involved in. It affects
every aspect of our life.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So if you were to have heard the answer that
question from your own life, this is what I heard
you telling me earlier. If you were sitting in that
chair across from your and you said what do you
enjoy doing? What do you and you maybe would have said, well, listen,
I'm always thinking about the next you know, musical composition
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or did I get that right? And what would you
tell that part when you say greats you know? Or
would you say you know? This worries me that you're
always thinking, I mean, because music, I mean can be
very healing, right right, And I would I responded with
the question, uh huh, And the question would.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Be what kind of music do you enjoy listening to?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Hmm? And is it genre? Is it the subject of
the music? What's the thing that you're going to If
I say, you know, I love you know, heavy metal,
is that going to give you a different feeling than
if I say I love classical music?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And I tell them. You know, I used to be
a bass player and the lead singer for fairly well
known rock group, and I can tell you exactly what
the music that you're listening to is, how it's going
to affect your life, not only mentally, but also physically
and also so spiritually, because our relationship with God, for
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those who are people who are interested in that, our
relationship with God, whether we know it or not, is
directly affected by the information we're choosing to feed our mind,
which affects the way we think about God, about our
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relationship with other people, about our own personal being.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So let's illustrate this. So we've got all kinds of
people listening to the show. I know you've done a
lot of work with what you call Christian counseling, and
some might immediately relate to that, others may not. But
let's just give people a feel for what that looks like,
whether they're Christian or not. Someone walks in and they say, listen,
I'm a Christian. I'm listening to a lot of music,
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but you know, I keep having these imagery from the songs,
you know that aren't things I want to think about.
What would you use the Bible would you look at
scriptural principles? How would you help that person redirect their thinking?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
First of all, I wanted to practice the Golden rule
and all of my interaction, and I would find out
what they're comfortable with, what kind of information they're comfortable
with in their thinking. What do you enjoy thinking about?
What kind of information do you enjoy watching on TV?
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In other words, what is the information that you're most
comfortable with in guiding your life.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
So, if I'm hearing you know, maybe I'm going a
little bit different direction than I started to go. I'm
going to throw this out here. Then we're going to
take a break because the listeners will be processing this too,
and you'll tell me how I was totally off face
or I was on track. But I almost hear you saying.
You're almost asking about kind of a learning stale. Do
you like to learn from storees? Do you like me
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to give you statistics from the latest medical studies? Do
you like me to share my own personal experience? Do
you like to do hands on do you like to
learn by experience things? So I want to get your
feedback on whether I'm going in the right direction, because
I'm sensing that You've got some powerful material that my
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listeners want to hear, but we can't digest it right
now because the clock is saying, we got to step
away just briefly. You can stay by, right, I can
stay by, okay. For all of you tuning in on
American Indian and Alaska Native Living, I'm doctor David Duro's
Dan Gabbert, my guest. We're here live recording in Orlando, Florida.
We're going to step away just briefly. We'll come back
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more with Dan practical things to help your mental and
spiritual outlook. Stay tuned.
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Speaker 2 (17:47):
Welcome back to American, Indian and Alaska Native Living on
doctor David Durose Dan Gabbert across from me. He's speaking
about his perspective, his experience on how to help people
have a more or dare I say it, abundant life mentally, spiritually.
You've been doing this type of coaching work for many years.
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You're also the author of at least a couple of books,
as I understand, Can you tell us about the books
that you've written briefly, and then we'll come back to
my question that we ended the last segment with.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We put together a book called Unbound. Unbound Insights into
Mental and Spiritual Healing.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Just a very simplified and reintroduction and guide to what
I believe we as human beings, regardless of our religious background,
regardless of our ethnic background, regardless of what part of
the country we live in. A book that contains the
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principles of healthy thought life that can give a person
a incredible foundation upon which to build a healthy, hope filled,
happy life in the years they have here on this earth.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I love it. So. Unbound is the name of the book.
Your last name is spelled gabb Ert, Gabbert and Gabbert.
And can I find that book on Amazon or okay? Perfect,
so we know where we can get more information. But
let's come back now. We were dialoguing about the initial
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conversation that you would have with someone that you're counseling with,
and you ask them the kind of things that they enjoy,
what they like to think about. And as I was listening,
to that. What I was reflecting back at the end
of the last segment, is it almost sounds like you're
trying to find their learning styles? Are they a kind
of hands on learner? Was I understanding that right? Or
is it more than that?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah? It was coming from a Christian perspective.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Where the most valuable thing that you and I can
ever do for someone else, besides getting on their page
and meeting them where they're at, is to actually introduce
them to the principles of living that actually enhance physical, mental,
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and spiritual life rather than excuse the term dehance detract
from a healthy, happy life.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So Unbound, is your book a lot of practical insights there?
If you were to say, here's three practical insights things
that I've seen change other people over the years, can
you share a few, maybe even in the context of
a story of someone who caught a principle and changed
their life.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Because we are what we think. Even secular psychologists understand that, right.
What's amazing. It's found in the Bible also Proverbs twenty
three seven. As he thinks in his heart, so is
he there? It is you are what you think, and
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so understanding that principle by itself the first question that
if I were someone who wanted a healthier, happier life,
I would ask myself personally the question I would go, So,
where am I getting the information that I'm choosing to
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evaluate the circumstances of life that I'm facing with? What
am I using for a foundation of information? What's my dictionary? Okay,
what's my encyclopedia?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Fair enough?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Where do I go to guide me when I face
a challenge of life?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
When a project I'm working on doesn't turn out it
falls apart, or when a family member or someone who's
close to me does something or says something that might
be out of character but it hurts it damages me.
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Where do I go for help? Who do I turn to? Well,
some people turn to someone they heard on TV. Other
people go to the library and check out a book
on mental health. Some people start looking for another human
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being that has the letters on the wall PhD. And
everybody turns to somebody or something to get some insight
into what they can do in order to actually find
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restoration and peace in their life. And that's where, of course,
medical doctors have their place in this picture.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Also, Okay, Okay, well, thanks for not throwing us under
the bus just yet. But I understand from your work
and from the little I understand about Unbound the book
is that where you find and where you found yourself
the most powerful answers wasn't what people today would call
the Bible. Is that a correct understanding.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, I've been into Eastern meditation and moved out to
Hollywood and spent time in Hollywood trying to work my
way into the film industry and learning how to project
myself and put myself in the best possible light and
have the best possible health so I could fit the
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roles at my figure and my face fit and I
pleased that game. And I don't know how much of
my story you want to hear, but the reality is
I discovered when I was out in Hollywood, in la
I discovered a man by the name of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Tell us about with that experience.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Came home from a film actor's workshop. I was in
my prime, twenty seven years old. After spending about five
six years working as a bass player and the lead singer,
moved out to Hollywood because everybody said, hey, you got
to go to Hollywood, man, And so I went, and
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it was there that I came to realize that I
needed something more than what Hollywood had to offer. Okay,
And I came home to my came home to my
apartment in Hollywood, and they're sitting on my nightstand. Of
all things, was a Bible that my parents had given
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me when I graduated from high school, graduated from a
Christian another Christian denomination. And I cracked the Bible open
just like this. I know this is radio, but I cracked.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It open, just randomly, just opened the Bible up.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And I said, Okay, I'd been making fun of you,
God for quite a while. But if you're really real
and you've got a better plan for my life and
I've been able to come up with myself, I'm ready
to listen. Cracked the Bible open, and wouldn't you know,
it opened up to one of the Gospels, and I
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started reading about this man by the name of Jesus
that I used to make fun of, made a living
making fun of Christians and people who were.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And so you started reading this, and did you get
a different picture of Jesus than you had before I did?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I started reading about this man that I had been
making fun of for years, and the more I read,
the more convinced I was that he had something that
I didn't have, and his stuff lasted for eternity, not
only eternal life, but peace, freedom from anger. By the way,
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I had an incredible fancy temper.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Wow, he freed me.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
From sexual immorality. He free anyway, He set me free.
Bottom line.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So I hear you, if someone is not relating to
your story, I hear you saying, well, why don't you
try the same thing. So just to find one of
those Bibles somewhere, maybe there's one on your shelf, and
actually read it instead of listening to what everyone said
about it or how they've said, you know, I'm a
Christian and the nasty things they did, right.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Right, yeah, yeah. The only way you'll ever find the
piece that I found is actually get to know the
one I found by reading the Bible, particularly Matthew Mark,
Luke John, and I wouldn't tread it for anything tremendous.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Let me tell you this, Dan, I appreciate you sharing
a bit of your life story. I know a little
bit more of the backstory as far as how much
you've done over the years to make a difference in
other peoples. We appreciate you swinging by the booth here,
and we've had your dear wife, Patsy next to you.
She's been listening along with me, and we appreciate both
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of you taking time out of this busy schedule to
join us. I've got jotted down for those who didn't
get it already, the title Unbound. Dan Gabbert is the
author of that book. You can pick up a copy
learn more of his practical tips as found in the scriptures. Dan,
thanks again.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
My pleasure, and thank you for being a conduit for
hurting hearts and hurting lives and people who are wanting
to find the very very best that they can experience
in their life.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Here, we've got to step away. I'm doctor David de Roz.
We're going to be back with another guest as we
wind up this edition of American Indian and Alaska Native Living.
I'm doctor DeRose Day bye for the second half of
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Speaker 2 (31:47):
Welcome back to American Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm
doctor David DeRose with me here in our virtual studio
at ASI twenty twenty five the International Convention in Orlando,
Florida is none other than Kyle Allen. He's a vice
president with a group called Adventist World Radio. Kyle, it's
great to have you with us. It's great to be here,
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Doctor de Rose, thank you for having me. Kyle. You
folks have a high profile worldwide. In some places, you
may be the only radio option that people have. Tell
us a little bit about the history of AWR. This
Adventist World Radio. Well. Avinist World Radio is the Seventh
Day Adventist Church's radio outreach ministry. And this has been
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over fifty years now that we've been broadcasting in all
parts of the world. Right now, I don't have the
actual latest number, but I know it's over two thousand
stations that we're working with around the world, in over
one hundred languages, in some of the hardest to reach
places on Earth. And that's really our mission to go
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wherever air goes. You know, radio can go beyond. As
we say, no wall, no borders, no limits, and so
even in places like the Middle East, places like Communists China,
places like North Korea where we can't send missionaries, but
radio can go. In addition, to countries where there are
Christians already, and there's huge needs in our world, both
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here in North America and in other places around the world.
And you guys have been such a faithful partner to
so many stations, so many initiatives. One that we featured
earlier in this series of programs is than Adventist Radio.
I know as they've been seeking to develop new programming
build stations to help expand listening options throughout the Navajo Nation. AWR,
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I keep hearing your guy's name involved in those conversations.
How all has that partnership played out well? We've heard
for years about the needs of the Navajo Nation and
the particular needs for there to be greater radio coverage there,
and so we were able to partner with different church entities.
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For the Aventist Church, they're the Pacific Union, the Arizona Conference,
and the Native American Ministries, and by God's grace, this
has become a reality. Alan Steele, who is the founder
of Avenist World Radio, has also been involved with this project,
along with many others. If I began to name names,
I'd get in trouble. But it's been a tremendous partnership
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and a blessing that this has come together now and
we praise the Lord for it. So you mentioned the
name of Alan Steele. That name in some circles is
well known. Yes, my understanding, and you can correct me,
is that some of the original roots of AWR bring
us out to the South Pacific. Why do I have
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that association. Well, AWR actually started and I'm making sure
my history is right, but I believe their first broadcast
was in Portugal. Actually, if someone's listening to this and
I'm wrong, then they'll have mercy. But the vision for
Avenist World Radio actually came originally from a man named HMS. Richards.
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You may have heard he was the kind of the
grandfather of Seventh Day Avinist Radio, and he started a
program called the Voice of Prophecy out in California. Don't
remember the year, but HMS Richards had a vision that
we could use radio to reach the world, even into
the communist areas, which in those days, of course, things
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were much different. We could send missionaries past the Iron Curtain,
and so they thought, what if we can use shortwave radio,
which travels far distances to reach into these communist nations.
And that was really where the idea for Avenist World
Radio was born. It was bored out of the idea
to use shortwave to reach into these territories. So Portugal happened,
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and as I recall, if I'm not getting my history incorrect,
they were trying to reach into the communist nation there
of Eastern Europe. But the big break, of course, that
you're thinking of is the vision to build a station
on the island of Guam, and so Guam being the
furthest west US soil that's out there. Strategically, if you
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can place a shortwave station, they thought, if we can
place a shortwave station here, we can reach all the
way into Asia, Southeast Asia, up into Russia, China, these
very hard to reach areas. And so by God's grace,
the vision became a reality and Avinist World Radio started
to broadcast shortwave from Wam, and today that signal reaches
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one third of the world's population. So you guys not
only put out these shortwave signals that I'm assuming the
average person can't be. I mean, I don't have a
short wave receiver right right, right, But you are also
broadcasting on conventional stations. Correct. Most of our broadcasts today
are on conventional FM and AM stations and through the
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internet because a lot of the stations that are broadcasting
FM or AM they're also simulcasting online. So we've seen
shortwave of course, change in popularity over the years, and
shortwave has become less popular as time has gone on,
but FM radio and AM still remains very popular around
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the world, and so we've invested more resources into those stations.
We still got shortwave because there's still people that do
listen and we don't want to abandon that right right,
So that's still going, but we've moved a lot of
our focus also into equipping new stations and helping existing
stations to increase their reach and to have a greater
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impact in their communities. So, awr are you a network
in the sense that you own multiple stations? Is this
more of a partnership with local people? How does this
all work? Great question, and a lot of people ask that.
So amnist World Radio is at the best way I
could describe it, Doctor Dero's would be a network. So
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we do own the GUAM station. That's one station that
we own and operate. We have a full team out
there and it's an amazing team. They do a great job.
But We also have all these other stations that are
owned by different church organizations within the seventh d Avenuest
church a local church, from the local church owning a station,
all the way up to a union or a bigger one,
you know, run by a big church entity, to self
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supporting ministries running stations. And we've supported all kinds with funding, programming, assistance,
a lot of technical support, but largely funding from fellow
believers who want to see the gospel go out and
when they give to AWR, those dollars go directly to
support those stations and network. So someone's listening right now
and they say, well, I've heard of AWR. I didn't
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realize all they were doing. You know, I want to
be a part of this vision and help support it.
Can someone just jump on a website and hit a
donate button? Is it that easy? Yeah? It is? So
what is your website? AWR dot org. Okay, aw RG
only got to remember six letters, that's right, It's super
easy and on there. If you click donate, you'll see
a bunch of different projects and you can give to
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certain regions of the world. One of my favorite projects
is the God Pods. Tell us about that, so The
god pods are really cool. Imagine something maybe half the
size of your cell phone, but it's an MP three player.
It's simple. It's got simple buttons, so even people that
can't read can figure out, Okay, I press this button.
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And it's very loud, solar powered, okay, waterproof, well very
almost not indestructible, but very hearty. So it can be
out of the bush, you know, in the jungle or
in the desert whatever. You even't heard of them being
run over by a truck and they survived. But these
little devices have the Bible on them, like the whole Bible,
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whole Bible, and like the person's in their language exactly,
and some of them have two languages on them. So
they have the Bible. They have gospel sermons, evangelistic content,
health content, health programs, children's programs, different audio books like
some of my favorites, like The Desire of Ages, the
Great Controversy, Steps to Christ. So there's just a huge
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treasure trove of resources on this little device. And the
cool thing is it's so loud that when they press play,
they can turn the volume up and maybe you know,
a whole group can listen. You mean, like a whole
group of maybe fifteen twenty people. Yeah, so we have
places like where you know, we've heard many stories. In fact,
I get stories on my text messages from different places
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about our godpods and from the Massi Warriors in Kenya. Okay,
just last week, I got an incredible story about someone
whose life was completely changed because they found a godpod.
They found it well, one of the Massi Warriors. There's
a ministry called Mara Vision that we also partner with them,
but I don't know if they're here at Asi, but
they they distribute our godpods in Kenya, and these Massi Warriors,
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many of them have come to know Gus through the
god pods and become members of the Seventh da Adventist Church.
And so someone found one of these warriors godpods that
he wasn't using, and it's a I forget all the details,
but it was an incredible story of how it changed
their life completely. Now I've heard a lot of people
speaking very enthusiastically about some project or projects that you've
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been involved with in the Philippines. Can you tell us
a little bit about what's been going on there with
some rebel Oh yeah, soldiers or something. How much time
do we have, Well, unfortunately, it's probably not enough. Yeah,
but give us at least to start. Okay, So to
just a little snippet, okay, and you can find all
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these stories on YouTube. As you type in ABR three sixty,
there's lots of videos that tell the story. So I'll
just give you the preview. Okay. So aw R three sixty, yeah,
or administ World Radio if you type in if you
go to YouTube, you type in AWR three sixty or
type in administ World Radio. You'll get to our page
and you can all the videos. So how would I
know what to look for? You would see like a
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circle with three trumpets, like a kind of a bluish
circle with like three trumpets. That's your logo. That's our
logo AVNS World Radio. But to get to the Philippines, Yes, yes,
So there's an island called Mindoro. Okay. This island is
south of Manila. Philippines has over seven thousand islands islands.
It's a lot of islands, but this is one of
the bigger ones. To make a long story short, there
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are groups in the Philippines that over the years have
been what we call communist rebels. They fifty years ago
or more than that, subscribe to the ideals of the
communist revolution in China. They read the sayings of Mao
and all this kind of stuff, and so they became
essentially atheist communist rebels in the Philippines, and these guys
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would create these communities in the mountains of some of
the islands in the Philippines. Mindoro was a stronghold for
these guys, thousands of them living in the mountains. The
government tried for years to get them to become a
part of the society, to surrender, but they would always fight.
They killed, the assassinated local officials, and they would set
booby traps and do all kinds of crazy stuff overviews,
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but the government could never get them to surrender. Long
story short, A few years ago, AWR was invited to
do some evangelistic meetings on the island. As a part
of these evangelistic meetings, this was in twenty seventeen, we
started broadcasting on some stations in the towns which are
along the outskirts of the island. Right. These were health
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programs that were being broadcast and evangelistic programs. So again,
you know you're a physician, so you have health and
evangelism working together, and what we didn't realize is that
these programs were reaching into the mountains. We got to
hear more about this. Are you able to stay by
with me? Yes? Absolutely, I'm doctor David Deuroz, Kyle Allen,
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vice President, one of the vps of AWR. He's going
to stay by. You've got to hear the amazing conclusion,
or at least an amazing overview of what's going on
in the Philippines, a bit more about AWR and other
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Welcome back for our final segment of today's edition of
American Indian and Alaska Native Living. We're speaking to one
of the networks that actually helps distribute American Indian and
Alaska Native Living Radio at least by virtue of Adventist
Radio AWR or Adventist World Radio, one of the networks
that is involved with distributing this program. If you're a
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regular listener or listening for the first time, and we're
learning a bit more about AWR Advenist World Radio and
some of the impact that they're having literally globally from
Kyle Allen. Kyle is one of the vice presidents of AWR, Kyle,
you were telling us this amazing story that comes from
the Philippines, where you're basically holding meetings, you're teaching people
(48:44):
about Bible principles, you're doing health programming, and you're sending
it out on the radio to a number of small stations,
not realizing that these stations are being picked up in
the mountains where there are these communist rebels. As where
does the story go from here? It's an incredible story,
and it just gets even better. So they're listening, and
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we didn't realize that they were listening. Again, these are
rebels that have been against the government for decades. They
have fought, they have lived a very brutal anti God lifestyle,
and somehow they started listening and the health programs are
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the ones that caught their attention. We found out later
really interesting. They were struggling with different diseases and things
up there, but as they listened to these health programs,
they began to be more interested in the spiritual programs
that would follow. So, to make a long story short,
one of our pastors who actually is here at the
ASI Conventional, Robert Dulai, he was working on the island
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of Mindoro, and he was one of the speakers on
the radio. He knew what these communist rebels looked like
because they had been known to actually kidnap and kill
pastors for ransom. Whoa, it had happened. So they circulated
these pictures if you see these guys like run yeah, yeah, okay.
So he comes home one day to his house and
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he sees a group of these guys at his front gate.
And you can imagine, like, what would you do if
you walked up to your house and you knew you
could tell these were the guys that are the rebels
from the mountains, So the ones and the quote most
wanted pictures, right, yeah, yeah, and they're at your house,
and you can imagine that his heart starts beating, right,
and he's he's like okay, you know, he goes up Tom,
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but he's a courageous guy and he goes up to
him and then he says hello and uh. And then
they say to him, are you the pastor of the radio,
the pastor of the radio, of the radio or on
the radio? U huh? And of course you know what
would you say, would you admit it? Well, Robert's a
you know, he trusted the Lord, and so he he said, yes,
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I am the pastor on the radio. And I can
imagine his heart was really beating at that point. Uh huh.
And they said to him, well, we've been listening to you, Roberts.
He's praying to the Lord. You've got to come through
from me here. Uh huh. But the next thing they said,
he never would have believed, because they said to him, Pastor,
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we've been listening to you, and many in the mountains
have also been listening. And we're here because we want
to know more about Jesus and we need you to
come teach us. And that was the beginning, doctor de Rose,
of an amazing series of events whereby we found out
that many of these villages were listening to the radio broadcasts.
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And there are multiple other stories I could tell that
are within the larger story. But we sent teams, medical teams,
so they held small dental clinics and medical clinics. So
you're going on into the rebel villages now, yes, yes,
eight to twelve hour hikes. So now just let me
ask you this. I mean, you guys a kind of
mission control AWR central if you will, Yes, were you
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guys at some point was saying, is this just a trick?
Are they trying to lure a bunch of people into
the mountains and then kill I mean, did you have
discussions like that? Some people were worried about that. In fact,
there were some concerns about myself. I did not go
on one of those tracks, but our president, doctor Dwayne McKee,
and Cammi Oakman they actually went. Must have been around
twenty eighteen or so, they before COVID. They went over
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there and they treked up into the mountains to visit
one of these villages. And there was at one point
some concern because these rebel groups had been at war
with the Philippine Army, right, and so they had to
run at one point because they were you know, they
were concerned about some fighting going on. Wait who had
to run the AWR team. Yeah, as I recall, yeah,
there was some there was some dice in moments. But
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you know, they so they're they're traveling these nine to
twelve hours on foot. Well they I think took a
helicopter because I don't think that that's a long time,
the long hard for an okay, but they but at
some point they're having a walk, yes, and they hear
the sound they walked gunfire or something. I'm not sure
exactly what happened, okay, but we're getting the picture. We
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don't but it's a dicey situation, okay. And then there
was like flooding and stuff, all kinds of stuff. But
the bottom line is Dwayne, our president got to go
up in there and baptized five of their leaders. Wow.
And then we heard the whole villages were coming to Christ.
So these are these rebel villages. These are the rebel villages.
So they have their families, yes, yes, and some of them.
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I'll tell I just have to tell this quick. I
know time is going. But there was this one family
where the woman she had a radio and she was listening.
The husband was a rebel and in their rebel assignments
or whatever, they go away for many days and they
come home for a short amount of time out of
the month, and he comes home. His wife's listening to
the radio, and he's mad, what are you listening to?
And she's like, I'm listening to what I want to
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listen to. And he's mad. He's like, well, I'm not
going to listen to that. But of course you know,
the woman gets her way right. She's listening to a
wr and the man acts like he's not listening because
he's mad, but in reality, he was listening, and she's
being converted by what she's hearing. And slowly her husband
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over those next few days acts like he's not listening,
but he's not listening. And then at the end, before
he has to leave, he says, sweetheart, or whatever you
say in that language, I want to know more to
Both of them end up getting baptized later. And here's
the amazing thing. The rebel groups decided that they wanted
to surrender, but they didn't know how. So they came
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to the Adventist Church and they said, what do we
need to do. We cannot keep fighting this war, this
shadow war, and become Christians. So by God's grace, they
arranged a day when they would come out of the mountains,
and the government allowed us to basically bring them to
a church, and they a certain day, at a certain
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time they came out of the mountains. If they would
lay down their weapons, they would be granted amnesty, and
they signed a peace treaty in the church, ending the
war for that region of the Philippines. And then in
twenty twenty one a team of us I was privileged
to be able to go with Pastor Ted Wilson, our
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former GC president for the administ Church, and a team
of us with our AWR team, we got to go
and meet these rebel Communist rebels that were now becoming baptized,
over seven hundred of them, Doctor de Rose and I
was there, like in the pool. I remember we had
Philippine Army guys with sixteen standing around because these guys
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were hunt other rebel groups that had that were you know, enemies.
They didn't want these guys becoming Christians. But these seven
hundred gave their hearts to Jesus and became members of
the seventh to Amnist Church. It was incredible and they
were no longer called rebels. We had a new name
for them, what you call frs. What does that stand for?
Former rebels? Because now they were followers of Jesus. And
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it reminds me of that verse you know that says
that behold, when we were in Christ, he's in. Anyone
who was in Christ is a new creature. Behold, all
things have become new. And we saw that in the Philippines.
And these seven hundred they pledged. On the last night
that we were there, they all lit a candle and
it was a beautiful thing because they said that these
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candles represent that we want to go back into our villages,
and each one of us wants to reach at least
one more for Jesus. And that seven hundred then went,
and the next year they baptized twelve hundred. Really yeah.
So this is like twenty twenty two at the timeline, Yeah,
this would have been twenty twenty two into twenty twenty three,
and so the work has continued. And then we worked
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to provide them because now they weren't they were trying
to reintegrate into society, and so we helped them start
a business on making peanuts really yeah, so they could
have a little small businesses and to growing peanuts, peanuts,
peanut butter and stuff not peanut butter, selling peanuts and
other kinds of things. So trying to help them get
on their feet so they can be a part of
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society again. But the cool thing is that some of
these rebels who were actually enemies of the state, they
were hunting down Philippine Army officers. In fact, in one story,
there was a rebel assassin who had hunted a Philippine
army officer who was an assassin for the army. They
were hunting each other. The rebel became an administ and
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was baptized. The army officer saw that the man he
had been hunting had become a Christian. He also surrendered
his heart. Both of them were baptized, and the story
has continued even just a few weeks ago, Doctor de
rose at the General Conference session in Saint Louis, Missouri.
One of the top generals in the Philippines Via Nueva
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was his name, A General of Viannueva. He is over
a whole regional command. He had witnessed what happened in Mindoro.
He was baptized just two weeks ago in Saint Louis, US.
A lot of people wonder what do Adventists have to
do with improving communities, improving health. This amazing story because
a lot of people don't connect those dots. It's not
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just about telling people about the Bible, aving Bible study.
It's about changing communities, bringing peace, bringing harmony. Kyle, thanks
so much for sharing the stories. Pleasure to be here.
Thank you for what all of you at AWR do
one more time. How does someone listen to your programming? Oh?
Please just go to our website AWR dot org find
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out more there. Support us with your donations and most
of all, your prayers. We got to run. Kyle Allen
wrapping up today's edition of American, Indian and Alaska Native Living.
For all of us, I'm doctor David Droz, wishing you
the very best of health.
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Welcome to American Indian and Alaska Native Living, a program
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Doctor Deroz has a wide range of experience with native
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learn more about your health. Here is doctor Deroz.
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Welcome to today's edition of American Indian and Alaska Native Living.
I'm doctor David DeRose. We're recording another show at an
exciting venue. The venue is Orlando, Florida, at the convention Center.
Here the Orange County Convention Center. The gathering is the
ASI International Convention. For those of you that have been
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listening to previous episodes, you realize that this is a
group of people from throughout the world who are motivated
faith based motivation, but trying to impact communities, trying to
make a difference in practical ways to help people. Yes,
there's often an undergirding Christian philosophy, but that is something
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that these organizations, whether they're helping with physical health, mental health,
practical things on the ground, financial health. They are reaching
across their community. And one of those people that I
am especially pleased to have in the studio is with
me right now, Dan Gabbertt. Dan, it's great to have
you with us.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I am grateful to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Dan, you are not a stranger. If someone has been
listening to this show for the twenty plus years we've
been doing it, you've been my guest before. You have
this unique talent of looking at mental and spiritual health
in a way that I think is very different than
many people have approached it. You describe yourself as a
(01:56):
mental and spiritual health coach. You do have some formal
training in counseling disciplines. Tell us a little bit about
your background.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't know if I shared this in previous programs
or not, but coming out of a lifestyle of being
a bass player and the lead singer in a rock
and roll band for years, and then finding in this
amazing genre of called Christianity, finding a wonderful best friend
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and savior by the name of Jesus Christ. It has
transformed the way that I approach life and think about
the challenges that we as human beings faced day to day,
regardless of our religious background.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, So what I hear you saying is, if we
look at your life history, there is a time in
life where you would definitely not have considered yourself a Christian.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Far from it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I made fun of them, Okay, Okay, So if you're
listening to today's edition of American, Indian and Alaska Native
Living and you're in the same voe and listen, I'm
going to be the first one to admit this, and Dan,
you can tell me if I'm making you feel uneasy.
But I know many of our listeners as I visit
throughout Indian country, Christianity has been used in ways that
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have oppressed First Nation peoples and misused them. You can
relate to that, right. So some people will say Christianity
that's not bringing any warm feelings at all, right, and
you can relate from your own experience that didn't bring
warm thoughts to you.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I used to make fun of them.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay. So this is a program about mental and spiritual health.
Today you have this change of perspective and you end
up getting formal training as well in mental health counseling. Right,
tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, because of where I was, and the lifestyle that
I lived and the thoughts that controlled my thinking my brain,
I knew that I needed a change in life. However,
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what most people don't realize we become what we think
and the health of the information that we're choosing to
feed our brain, feeding our thinking directly affects the life
we live, either healthy and hope filled or extremely unhealthy
(04:43):
and damaging and hopeless.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, So basically you come with this realization your own experience,
and just for the record, I found the same thing
in my own But what we dwell on, the things
that we think about, even if we think it's entertaining
or relaxing, is having an impact on her brain.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Not only impact on our brain, but an impact on
our three dimensional health physically, mentally, and spiritually. It's having
a deep, impressive effect on our three dimensional health, not
only physically, but mentally and spiritually.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So I know, for a period of time, Dan, you
worked in a program where people were coming to make
intensive lifestyle changes. They were coming with diabetes or cancer,
heart disease, high blood pressure, mental health challenges, and you
were helping them on this journey dealing with some very
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practical Some people would call them counseling strategies. Can you
tell us a little bit about what you did and
how you found that to make a difference for people.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I can tell you from experience that the individuals who
actually benefited from the lifestyle program that was being promoted
were the ones who actually were willing the physical habits
of living in harmony with healing curriculum for lack of
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better terms, but those who were willing to actually begin
to examine what they were thinking about life situations they're facing,
about people in their life, or people who are directly
affecting their life, about the activities they're involved in and
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everyday living. I could go on, but the reality is
the lifestyle that people choose, what they choose to eat,
what they choose to drink. By the way, I was
an alcoholic before I became a Christian. The people they
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spend time with what they choose to feed their thinking.
I eat, television or videos, even radio has a direct
as a direct effect on a person's health.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
So let's kind of build on this framework. So we're
looking at kind of a comprehensive approach to lifestyle. You're saying, hey,
a lot of people got the same amount of information said, hey,
you make these changes, good things will happen. We could
go through a whole list of health enhancing behaviors. But
if something doesn't change on the level of the mind,
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if it's just something, well, let me do this. You
help me, Dan, tell me if this analogy works. If
it doesn't, then we'll make sure we recalibrate. So, as
I'm listening to you speaking about people making, you know,
certain changes, but not willing to look comprehensively at change,
I think of one of my classic examples when people
might come to one of my lectures, say on natural
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treatments for high blood pressure, and there's a group of
people that will come and they don't want to make
any changes in their lifestyle. They just want to get
rid of the blood pressure pills and take a natural supplement.
And I tell them, you know, there's nothing as powerful
as comprehensive lifestyle changes. Is this kind of on this
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continuum road track? Yes, okay, okay, So what we want
to know is that what does this lifestyle look like
when someone would walk into your office, they say, I'm
here for my uncontrolled diabetes, my high blood pressure. I've
had a couple of strokes, but I've bounced back. I
don't seem to have much residual I just don't want
to have that big stroke and be paralyzed. What can
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I do? And they've been hearing from the doctors, you know,
about their cholesterol and blood pressure, and they saw the nutritionists,
and now they're sitting in your office. And what are
you talking with them about?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
What do you enjoy thinking about the people in your life?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So that's how you start your interview. What do you
enjoy thinking?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
What do you enjoy thinking about?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Thinking about?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
What do you enjoy dwelling on in your because his mind,
your mind is constantly actively thinking. We think information. But
the health of the information, the accuracy, the truthfulness of
the information that we're choosing to think on use our thinker.
(09:41):
Our brain directly affects not only the health of our relationships,
i e. Our relationships with God, our relationships with other people.
In fact, our relationships with our self directly affected by
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our thoughts. But what's so potent about this whole thing
is our thoughts. We're thinking information, the health and accuracy,
the health and truthfulness of the information that we're feeding
our thinker. Our brain directly affects our relationships with other people,
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our relationships with our self, our relationships with challenges of
life that come down the pike, our relationships with activities
that we have opportunity to be involved in. It affects
every aspect of our life.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So if you were to have heard the answer that
question from your own life, this is what I heard
you telling me earlier. If you were sitting in that
chair across from your and you said what do you
enjoy doing? What do you and you maybe would have said, well, listen,
I'm always thinking about the next you know, musical composition
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or did I get that right? And what would you
tell that part when you say greats you know? Or
would you say you know? This worries me that you're
always thinking, I mean, because music, I mean can be
very healing, right right, And I would I responded with
the question, uh huh, And the question would.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Be what kind of music do you enjoy listening to?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Hmm? And is it genre? Is it the subject of
the music? What's the thing that you're going to If
I say, you know, I love you know, heavy metal,
is that going to give you a different feeling than
if I say I love classical music?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And I tell them. You know, I used to be
a bass player and the lead singer for fairly well
known rock group, and I can tell you exactly what
the music that you're listening to is, how it's going
to affect your life, not only mentally, but also physically
and also so spiritually, because our relationship with God, for
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those who are people who are interested in that, our
relationship with God, whether we know it or not, is
directly affected by the information we're choosing to feed our mind,
which affects the way we think about God, about our
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relationship with other people, about our own personal being.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So let's illustrate this. So we've got all kinds of
people listening to the show. I know you've done a
lot of work with what you call Christian counseling, and
some might immediately relate to that, others may not. But
let's just give people a feel for what that looks like,
whether they're Christian or not. Someone walks in and they say, listen,
I'm a Christian. I'm listening to a lot of music,
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but you know, I keep having these imagery from the songs,
you know that aren't things I want to think about.
What would you use the Bible would you look at
scriptural principles? How would you help that person redirect their thinking?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
First of all, I wanted to practice the Golden rule
and all of my interaction, and I would find out
what they're comfortable with, what kind of information they're comfortable
with in their thinking. What do you enjoy thinking about?
What kind of information do you enjoy watching on TV?
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In other words, what is the information that you're most
comfortable with in guiding your life.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
So, if I'm hearing you know, maybe I'm going a
little bit different direction than I started to go. I'm
going to throw this out here. Then we're going to
take a break because the listeners will be processing this too,
and you'll tell me how I was totally off face
or I was on track. But I almost hear you saying.
You're almost asking about kind of a learning stale. Do
you like to learn from storees? Do you like me
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to give you statistics from the latest medical studies? Do
you like me to share my own personal experience? Do
you like to do hands on do you like to
learn by experience things? So I want to get your
feedback on whether I'm going in the right direction, because
I'm sensing that You've got some powerful material that my
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listeners want to hear, but we can't digest it right
now because the clock is saying, we got to step
away just briefly. You can stay by, right, I can
stay by, okay. For all of you tuning in on
American Indian and Alaska Native Living, I'm doctor David Duro's
Dan Gabbert, my guest. We're here live recording in Orlando, Florida.
We're going to step away just briefly. We'll come back
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Here again is doctor Deurose.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Welcome back to American, Indian and Alaska Native Living on
doctor David Durose Dan Gabbert across from me. He's speaking
about his perspective, his experience on how to help people
have a more or dare I say it, abundant life mentally, spiritually.
You've been doing this type of coaching work for many years.
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You're also the author of at least a couple of books,
as I understand, Can you tell us about the books
that you've written briefly, and then we'll come back to
my question that we ended the last segment with.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We put together a book called Unbound. Unbound Insights into
Mental and Spiritual Healing.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Just a very simplified and reintroduction and guide to what
I believe we as human beings, regardless of our religious background,
regardless of our ethnic background, regardless of what part of
the country we live in. A book that contains the
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principles of healthy thought life that can give a person
a incredible foundation upon which to build a healthy, hope filled,
happy life in the years they have here on this earth.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I love it. So. Unbound is the name of the book.
Your last name is spelled gabb Ert, Gabbert and Gabbert.
And can I find that book on Amazon or okay? Perfect,
so we know where we can get more information. But
let's come back now. We were dialoguing about the initial
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conversation that you would have with someone that you're counseling with,
and you ask them the kind of things that they enjoy,
what they like to think about. And as I was listening,
to that. What I was reflecting back at the end
of the last segment, is it almost sounds like you're
trying to find their learning styles? Are they a kind
of hands on learner? Was I understanding that right? Or
is it more than that?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah? It was coming from a Christian perspective.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Where the most valuable thing that you and I can
ever do for someone else, besides getting on their page
and meeting them where they're at, is to actually introduce
them to the principles of living that actually enhance physical, mental,
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and spiritual life rather than excuse the term dehance detract
from a healthy, happy life.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So Unbound, is your book a lot of practical insights there?
If you were to say, here's three practical insights things
that I've seen change other people over the years, can
you share a few, maybe even in the context of
a story of someone who caught a principle and changed
their life.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Because we are what we think. Even secular psychologists understand that, right.
What's amazing. It's found in the Bible also Proverbs twenty
three seven. As he thinks in his heart, so is
he there? It is you are what you think, and
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so understanding that principle by itself the first question that
if I were someone who wanted a healthier, happier life,
I would ask myself personally the question I would go, So,
where am I getting the information that I'm choosing to
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evaluate the circumstances of life that I'm facing with? What
am I using for a foundation of information? What's my dictionary? Okay,
what's my encyclopedia?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Fair enough?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Where do I go to guide me when I face
a challenge of life?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
When a project I'm working on doesn't turn out it
falls apart, or when a family member or someone who's
close to me does something or says something that might
be out of character but it hurts it damages me.
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Where do I go for help? Who do I turn to? Well,
some people turn to someone they heard on TV. Other
people go to the library and check out a book
on mental health. Some people start looking for another human
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being that has the letters on the wall PhD. And
everybody turns to somebody or something to get some insight
into what they can do in order to actually find
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restoration and peace in their life. And that's where, of course,
medical doctors have their place in this picture.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Also, Okay, Okay, well, thanks for not throwing us under
the bus just yet. But I understand from your work
and from the little I understand about Unbound the book
is that where you find and where you found yourself
the most powerful answers wasn't what people today would call
the Bible. Is that a correct understanding.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, I've been into Eastern meditation and moved out to
Hollywood and spent time in Hollywood trying to work my
way into the film industry and learning how to project
myself and put myself in the best possible light and
have the best possible health so I could fit the
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roles at my figure and my face fit and I
pleased that game. And I don't know how much of
my story you want to hear, but the reality is
I discovered when I was out in Hollywood, in la
I discovered a man by the name of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Tell us about with that experience.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Came home from a film actor's workshop. I was in
my prime, twenty seven years old. After spending about five
six years working as a bass player and the lead singer,
moved out to Hollywood because everybody said, hey, you got
to go to Hollywood, man, And so I went, and
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it was there that I came to realize that I
needed something more than what Hollywood had to offer. Okay,
And I came home to my came home to my
apartment in Hollywood, and they're sitting on my nightstand. Of
all things, was a Bible that my parents had given
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me when I graduated from high school, graduated from a
Christian another Christian denomination. And I cracked the Bible open
just like this. I know this is radio, but I cracked.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It open, just randomly, just opened the Bible up.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And I said, Okay, I'd been making fun of you,
God for quite a while. But if you're really real
and you've got a better plan for my life and
I've been able to come up with myself, I'm ready
to listen. Cracked the Bible open, and wouldn't you know,
it opened up to one of the Gospels, and I
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started reading about this man by the name of Jesus
that I used to make fun of, made a living
making fun of Christians and people who were.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And so you started reading this, and did you get
a different picture of Jesus than you had before I did?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I started reading about this man that I had been
making fun of for years, and the more I read,
the more convinced I was that he had something that
I didn't have, and his stuff lasted for eternity, not
only eternal life, but peace, freedom from anger. By the way,
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I had an incredible fancy temper.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Wow, he freed me.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
From sexual immorality. He free anyway, He set me free.
Bottom line.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So I hear you, if someone is not relating to
your story, I hear you saying, well, why don't you
try the same thing. So just to find one of
those Bibles somewhere, maybe there's one on your shelf, and
actually read it instead of listening to what everyone said
about it or how they've said, you know, I'm a
Christian and the nasty things they did, right.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Right, yeah, yeah. The only way you'll ever find the
piece that I found is actually get to know the
one I found by reading the Bible, particularly Matthew Mark,
Luke John, and I wouldn't tread it for anything tremendous.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Let me tell you this, Dan, I appreciate you sharing
a bit of your life story. I know a little
bit more of the backstory as far as how much
you've done over the years to make a difference in
other peoples. We appreciate you swinging by the booth here,
and we've had your dear wife, Patsy next to you.
She's been listening along with me, and we appreciate both
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of you taking time out of this busy schedule to
join us. I've got jotted down for those who didn't
get it already, the title Unbound. Dan Gabbert is the
author of that book. You can pick up a copy
learn more of his practical tips as found in the scriptures. Dan,
thanks again.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
My pleasure, and thank you for being a conduit for
hurting hearts and hurting lives and people who are wanting
to find the very very best that they can experience
in their life.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
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Speaker 2 (31:47):
Welcome back to American Indian and Alaska Native Living. I'm
doctor David DeRose with me here in our virtual studio
at ASI twenty twenty five the International Convention in Orlando,
Florida is none other than Kyle Allen. He's a vice
president with a group called Adventist World Radio. Kyle, it's
great to have you with us. It's great to be here,
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Doctor de Rose, thank you for having me. Kyle. You
folks have a high profile worldwide. In some places, you
may be the only radio option that people have. Tell
us a little bit about the history of AWR. This
Adventist World Radio. Well. Avinist World Radio is the Seventh
Day Adventist Church's radio outreach ministry. And this has been
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over fifty years now that we've been broadcasting in all
parts of the world. Right now, I don't have the
actual latest number, but I know it's over two thousand
stations that we're working with around the world, in over
one hundred languages, in some of the hardest to reach
places on Earth. And that's really our mission to go
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wherever air goes. You know, radio can go beyond. As
we say, no wall, no borders, no limits, and so
even in places like the Middle East, places like Communists China,
places like North Korea where we can't send missionaries, but
radio can go. In addition, to countries where there are
Christians already, and there's huge needs in our world, both
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here in North America and in other places around the world.
And you guys have been such a faithful partner to
so many stations, so many initiatives. One that we featured
earlier in this series of programs is than Adventist Radio.
I know as they've been seeking to develop new programming
build stations to help expand listening options throughout the Navajo Nation. AWR,
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I keep hearing your guy's name involved in those conversations.
How all has that partnership played out well? We've heard
for years about the needs of the Navajo Nation and
the particular needs for there to be greater radio coverage there,
and so we were able to partner with different church entities.
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For the Aventist Church, they're the Pacific Union, the Arizona Conference,
and the Native American Ministries, and by God's grace, this
has become a reality. Alan Steele, who is the founder
of Avenist World Radio, has also been involved with this project,
along with many others. If I began to name names,
I'd get in trouble. But it's been a tremendous partnership
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and a blessing that this has come together now and
we praise the Lord for it. So you mentioned the
name of Alan Steele. That name in some circles is
well known. Yes, my understanding, and you can correct me,
is that some of the original roots of AWR bring
us out to the South Pacific. Why do I have
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that association. Well, AWR actually started and I'm making sure
my history is right, but I believe their first broadcast
was in Portugal. Actually, if someone's listening to this and
I'm wrong, then they'll have mercy. But the vision for
Avenist World Radio actually came originally from a man named HMS. Richards.
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You may have heard he was the kind of the
grandfather of Seventh Day Avinist Radio, and he started a
program called the Voice of Prophecy out in California. Don't
remember the year, but HMS Richards had a vision that
we could use radio to reach the world, even into
the communist areas, which in those days, of course, things
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were much different. We could send missionaries past the Iron Curtain,
and so they thought, what if we can use shortwave radio,
which travels far distances to reach into these communist nations.
And that was really where the idea for Avenist World
Radio was born. It was bored out of the idea
to use shortwave to reach into these territories. So Portugal happened,
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and as I recall, if I'm not getting my history incorrect,
they were trying to reach into the communist nation there
of Eastern Europe. But the big break, of course, that
you're thinking of is the vision to build a station
on the island of Guam, and so Guam being the
furthest west US soil that's out there. Strategically, if you
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can place a shortwave station, they thought, if we can
place a shortwave station here, we can reach all the
way into Asia, Southeast Asia, up into Russia, China, these
very hard to reach areas. And so by God's grace,
the vision became a reality and Avinist World Radio started
to broadcast shortwave from Wam, and today that signal reaches
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one third of the world's population. So you guys not
only put out these shortwave signals that I'm assuming the
average person can't be. I mean, I don't have a
short wave receiver right right, right, But you are also
broadcasting on conventional stations. Correct. Most of our broadcasts today
are on conventional FM and AM stations and through the
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internet because a lot of the stations that are broadcasting
FM or AM they're also simulcasting online. So we've seen
shortwave of course, change in popularity over the years, and
shortwave has become less popular as time has gone on,
but FM radio and AM still remains very popular around
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the world, and so we've invested more resources into those stations.
We still got shortwave because there's still people that do
listen and we don't want to abandon that right right,
So that's still going, but we've moved a lot of
our focus also into equipping new stations and helping existing
stations to increase their reach and to have a greater
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impact in their communities. So, awr are you a network
in the sense that you own multiple stations? Is this
more of a partnership with local people? How does this
all work? Great question, and a lot of people ask that.
So amnist World Radio is at the best way I
could describe it, Doctor Dero's would be a network. So
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we do own the GUAM station. That's one station that
we own and operate. We have a full team out
there and it's an amazing team. They do a great job.
But We also have all these other stations that are
owned by different church organizations within the seventh d Avenuest
church a local church, from the local church owning a station,
all the way up to a union or a bigger one,
you know, run by a big church entity, to self
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supporting ministries running stations. And we've supported all kinds with funding, programming, assistance,
a lot of technical support, but largely funding from fellow
believers who want to see the gospel go out and
when they give to AWR, those dollars go directly to
support those stations and network. So someone's listening right now
and they say, well, I've heard of AWR. I didn't
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realize all they were doing. You know, I want to
be a part of this vision and help support it.
Can someone just jump on a website and hit a
donate button? Is it that easy? Yeah? It is? So
what is your website? AWR dot org. Okay, aw RG
only got to remember six letters, that's right, It's super
easy and on there. If you click donate, you'll see
a bunch of different projects and you can give to
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certain regions of the world. One of my favorite projects
is the God Pods. Tell us about that, so The
god pods are really cool. Imagine something maybe half the
size of your cell phone, but it's an MP three player.
It's simple. It's got simple buttons, so even people that
can't read can figure out, Okay, I press this button.
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And it's very loud, solar powered, okay, waterproof, well very
almost not indestructible, but very hearty. So it can be
out of the bush, you know, in the jungle or
in the desert whatever. You even't heard of them being
run over by a truck and they survived. But these
little devices have the Bible on them, like the whole Bible,
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whole Bible, and like the person's in their language exactly,
and some of them have two languages on them. So
they have the Bible. They have gospel sermons, evangelistic content,
health content, health programs, children's programs, different audio books like
some of my favorites, like The Desire of Ages, the
Great Controversy, Steps to Christ. So there's just a huge
(40:12):
treasure trove of resources on this little device. And the
cool thing is it's so loud that when they press play,
they can turn the volume up and maybe you know,
a whole group can listen. You mean, like a whole
group of maybe fifteen twenty people. Yeah, so we have
places like where you know, we've heard many stories. In fact,
I get stories on my text messages from different places
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about our godpods and from the Massi Warriors in Kenya. Okay,
just last week, I got an incredible story about someone
whose life was completely changed because they found a godpod.
They found it well, one of the Massi Warriors. There's
a ministry called Mara Vision that we also partner with them,
but I don't know if they're here at Asi, but
they they distribute our godpods in Kenya, and these Massi Warriors,
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many of them have come to know Gus through the
god pods and become members of the Seventh da Adventist Church.
And so someone found one of these warriors godpods that
he wasn't using, and it's a I forget all the details,
but it was an incredible story of how it changed
their life completely. Now I've heard a lot of people
speaking very enthusiastically about some project or projects that you've
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been involved with in the Philippines. Can you tell us
a little bit about what's been going on there with
some rebel Oh yeah, soldiers or something. How much time
do we have, Well, unfortunately, it's probably not enough. Yeah,
but give us at least to start. Okay, So to
just a little snippet, okay, and you can find all
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these stories on YouTube. As you type in ABR three sixty,
there's lots of videos that tell the story. So I'll
just give you the preview. Okay. So aw R three sixty, yeah,
or administ World Radio if you type in if you
go to YouTube, you type in AWR three sixty or
type in administ World Radio. You'll get to our page
and you can all the videos. So how would I
know what to look for? You would see like a
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circle with three trumpets, like a kind of a bluish
circle with like three trumpets. That's your logo. That's our
logo AVNS World Radio. But to get to the Philippines, Yes, yes,
So there's an island called Mindoro. Okay. This island is
south of Manila. Philippines has over seven thousand islands islands.
It's a lot of islands, but this is one of
the bigger ones. To make a long story short, there
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are groups in the Philippines that over the years have
been what we call communist rebels. They fifty years ago
or more than that, subscribe to the ideals of the
communist revolution in China. They read the sayings of Mao
and all this kind of stuff, and so they became
essentially atheist communist rebels in the Philippines, and these guys
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would create these communities in the mountains of some of
the islands in the Philippines. Mindoro was a stronghold for
these guys, thousands of them living in the mountains. The
government tried for years to get them to become a
part of the society, to surrender, but they would always fight.
They killed, the assassinated local officials, and they would set
booby traps and do all kinds of crazy stuff overviews,
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but the government could never get them to surrender. Long
story short, A few years ago, AWR was invited to
do some evangelistic meetings on the island. As a part
of these evangelistic meetings, this was in twenty seventeen, we
started broadcasting on some stations in the towns which are
along the outskirts of the island. Right. These were health
(43:31):
programs that were being broadcast and evangelistic programs. So again,
you know you're a physician, so you have health and
evangelism working together, and what we didn't realize is that
these programs were reaching into the mountains. We got to
hear more about this. Are you able to stay by
with me? Yes? Absolutely, I'm doctor David Deuroz, Kyle Allen,
(43:54):
vice President, one of the vps of AWR. He's going
to stay by. You've got to hear the amazing conclusion,
or at least an amazing overview of what's going on
in the Philippines, a bit more about AWR and other
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Welcome back for our final segment of today's edition of
American Indian and Alaska Native Living. We're speaking to one
of the networks that actually helps distribute American Indian and
Alaska Native Living Radio at least by virtue of Adventist
Radio AWR or Adventist World Radio, one of the networks
that is involved with distributing this program. If you're a
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regular listener or listening for the first time, and we're
learning a bit more about AWR Advenist World Radio and
some of the impact that they're having literally globally from
Kyle Allen. Kyle is one of the vice presidents of AWR, Kyle,
you were telling us this amazing story that comes from
the Philippines, where you're basically holding meetings, you're teaching people
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about Bible principles, you're doing health programming, and you're sending
it out on the radio to a number of small stations,
not realizing that these stations are being picked up in
the mountains where there are these communist rebels. As where
does the story go from here? It's an incredible story,
and it just gets even better. So they're listening, and
(49:04):
we didn't realize that they were listening. Again, these are
rebels that have been against the government for decades. They
have fought, they have lived a very brutal anti God lifestyle,
and somehow they started listening and the health programs are
(49:25):
the ones that caught their attention. We found out later
really interesting. They were struggling with different diseases and things
up there, but as they listened to these health programs,
they began to be more interested in the spiritual programs
that would follow. So, to make a long story short,
one of our pastors who actually is here at the
ASI Conventional, Robert Dulai, he was working on the island
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of Mindoro, and he was one of the speakers on
the radio. He knew what these communist rebels looked like
because they had been known to actually kidnap and kill
pastors for ransom. Whoa, it had happened. So they circulated
these pictures if you see these guys like run yeah, yeah, okay.
So he comes home one day to his house and
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he sees a group of these guys at his front gate.
And you can imagine, like, what would you do if
you walked up to your house and you knew you
could tell these were the guys that are the rebels
from the mountains, So the ones and the quote most
wanted pictures, right, yeah, yeah, and they're at your house,
and you can imagine that his heart starts beating, right,
and he's he's like okay, you know, he goes up Tom,
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but he's a courageous guy and he goes up to
him and then he says hello and uh. And then
they say to him, are you the pastor of the radio,
the pastor of the radio, of the radio or on
the radio? U huh? And of course you know what
would you say, would you admit it? Well, Robert's a
you know, he trusted the Lord, and so he he said, yes,
(50:54):
I am the pastor on the radio. And I can
imagine his heart was really beating at that point. Uh huh.
And they said to him, well, we've been listening to you, Roberts.
He's praying to the Lord. You've got to come through
from me here. Uh huh. But the next thing they said,
he never would have believed, because they said to him, Pastor,
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we've been listening to you, and many in the mountains
have also been listening. And we're here because we want
to know more about Jesus and we need you to
come teach us. And that was the beginning, doctor de Rose,
of an amazing series of events whereby we found out
that many of these villages were listening to the radio broadcasts.
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And there are multiple other stories I could tell that
are within the larger story. But we sent teams, medical teams,
so they held small dental clinics and medical clinics. So
you're going on into the rebel villages now, yes, yes,
eight to twelve hour hikes. So now just let me
ask you this. I mean, you guys a kind of
mission control AWR central if you will, Yes, were you
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guys at some point was saying, is this just a trick?
Are they trying to lure a bunch of people into
the mountains and then kill I mean, did you have
discussions like that? Some people were worried about that. In fact,
there were some concerns about myself. I did not go
on one of those tracks, but our president, doctor Dwayne McKee,
and Cammi Oakman they actually went. Must have been around
twenty eighteen or so, they before COVID. They went over
(52:21):
there and they treked up into the mountains to visit
one of these villages. And there was at one point
some concern because these rebel groups had been at war
with the Philippine Army, right, and so they had to
run at one point because they were you know, they
were concerned about some fighting going on. Wait who had
to run the AWR team. Yeah, as I recall, yeah,
there was some there was some dice in moments. But
(52:43):
you know, they so they're they're traveling these nine to
twelve hours on foot. Well they I think took a
helicopter because I don't think that that's a long time,
the long hard for an okay, but they but at
some point they're having a walk, yes, and they hear
the sound they walked gunfire or something. I'm not sure
exactly what happened, okay, but we're getting the picture. We
(53:04):
don't but it's a dicey situation, okay. And then there
was like flooding and stuff, all kinds of stuff. But
the bottom line is Dwayne, our president got to go
up in there and baptized five of their leaders. Wow.
And then we heard the whole villages were coming to Christ.
So these are these rebel villages. These are the rebel villages.
So they have their families, yes, yes, and some of them.
(53:27):
I'll tell I just have to tell this quick. I
know time is going. But there was this one family
where the woman she had a radio and she was listening.
The husband was a rebel and in their rebel assignments
or whatever, they go away for many days and they
come home for a short amount of time out of
the month, and he comes home. His wife's listening to
the radio, and he's mad, what are you listening to?
And she's like, I'm listening to what I want to
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listen to. And he's mad. He's like, well, I'm not
going to listen to that. But of course you know,
the woman gets her way right. She's listening to a
wr and the man acts like he's not listening because
he's mad, but in reality, he was listening, and she's
being converted by what she's hearing. And slowly her husband
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over those next few days acts like he's not listening,
but he's not listening. And then at the end, before
he has to leave, he says, sweetheart, or whatever you
say in that language, I want to know more to
Both of them end up getting baptized later. And here's
the amazing thing. The rebel groups decided that they wanted
to surrender, but they didn't know how. So they came
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to the Adventist Church and they said, what do we
need to do. We cannot keep fighting this war, this
shadow war, and become Christians. So by God's grace, they
arranged a day when they would come out of the mountains,
and the government allowed us to basically bring them to
a church, and they a certain day, at a certain
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time they came out of the mountains. If they would
lay down their weapons, they would be granted amnesty, and
they signed a peace treaty in the church, ending the
war for that region of the Philippines. And then in
twenty twenty one a team of us I was privileged
to be able to go with Pastor Ted Wilson, our
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former GC president for the administ Church, and a team
of us with our AWR team, we got to go
and meet these rebel Communist rebels that were now becoming baptized,
over seven hundred of them, Doctor de Rose and I
was there, like in the pool. I remember we had
Philippine Army guys with sixteen standing around because these guys
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were hunt other rebel groups that had that were you know, enemies.
They didn't want these guys becoming Christians. But these seven
hundred gave their hearts to Jesus and became members of
the seventh to Amnist Church. It was incredible and they
were no longer called rebels. We had a new name
for them, what you call frs. What does that stand for?
Former rebels? Because now they were followers of Jesus. And
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it reminds me of that verse you know that says
that behold, when we were in Christ, he's in. Anyone
who was in Christ is a new creature. Behold, all
things have become new. And we saw that in the Philippines.
And these seven hundred they pledged. On the last night
that we were there, they all lit a candle and
it was a beautiful thing because they said that these
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candles represent that we want to go back into our villages,
and each one of us wants to reach at least
one more for Jesus. And that seven hundred then went,
and the next year they baptized twelve hundred. Really yeah.
So this is like twenty twenty two at the timeline, Yeah,
this would have been twenty twenty two into twenty twenty three,
and so the work has continued. And then we worked
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to provide them because now they weren't they were trying
to reintegrate into society, and so we helped them start
a business on making peanuts really yeah, so they could
have a little small businesses and to growing peanuts, peanuts,
peanut butter and stuff not peanut butter, selling peanuts and
other kinds of things. So trying to help them get
on their feet so they can be a part of
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society again. But the cool thing is that some of
these rebels who were actually enemies of the state, they
were hunting down Philippine Army officers. In fact, in one story,
there was a rebel assassin who had hunted a Philippine
army officer who was an assassin for the army. They
were hunting each other. The rebel became an administ and
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was baptized. The army officer saw that the man he
had been hunting had become a Christian. He also surrendered
his heart. Both of them were baptized, and the story
has continued even just a few weeks ago, Doctor de
rose at the General Conference session in Saint Louis, Missouri.
One of the top generals in the Philippines Via Nueva
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was his name, A General of Viannueva. He is over
a whole regional command. He had witnessed what happened in Mindoro.
He was baptized just two weeks ago in Saint Louis, US.
A lot of people wonder what do Adventists have to
do with improving communities, improving health. This amazing story because
a lot of people don't connect those dots. It's not
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just about telling people about the Bible, aving Bible study.
It's about changing communities, bringing peace, bringing harmony. Kyle, thanks
so much for sharing the stories. Pleasure to be here.
Thank you for what all of you at AWR do
one more time. How does someone listen to your programming? Oh?
Please just go to our website AWR dot org find
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out more there. Support us with your donations and most
of all, your prayers. We got to run. Kyle Allen
wrapping up today's edition of American, Indian and Alaska Native Living.
For all of us, I'm doctor David Droz, wishing you
the very best of health.
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