America’s Criminologist 08 05 25 Guest Jeff Reisig Yolo Co DA

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Brut And here's America's criminologist, Doctor Kerry Myers.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Hey, my friends, welcome to the show. As a former
state Trooper, special agent and Sheriff of Major A County,
I'm here to give you real insight into criminal justice,
public policy, and crime. In my career, I work patrolled
deep undercover, investigated homicides, public corruption, police corruption, and even
spent ten years on a tactical team. When I was

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still on the job, I went back to graduate school
and received my doctorate in MBA and now it's been
over fifteen years in academics, all the way from professor
in the classroom to school dean. It's my sincere crimeogenic
theory that crime is rooted as a result of the
lack of faith, family, and formation in society. And that's
why I wrote my book, The Advent of Feral Man.

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You can get my book, as well as other published
works on substack at doctor Currymeers dot substack dot com
and you can see my podcast on Spotify at America's
Criminologists with doctor Curry Myers. For the last six years
or so, I've done thousands of radio and television interviews
from Fox News to Larry Elder, to Lars Larson's to

(01:47):
Laura Ingram, and I want to give you the straight
stuff when it comes to crime and public safety. By
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it's uh, I love it. So today we're going to
cut through some of the spin and expose some of

(02:51):
the truth behind the California's crime crisis. And so here's
my riff for today. Governor Gavin Newsom stood at the
podium just weeks ago, bragging about California's falling homicide rate
and touting crack towns on organized retail crime. But what
he didn't say that he flat out refused to fund
key parts of Proposition thirty six, the very anti crime

(03:14):
measure voters overwhelmingly supported last year. Why law enforcement leaders
asked for resources, staffing, and real proscatorial muscle to be
put back into the new laws, Newsom's budget left them
empty handed. This isn't just about policy oversight. It's quite frankly,
it's a betrayal. You can talk tough on crime, but

(03:37):
you're pulling the rug from under the men and women
who enforced the law. Tonight, we ask is this incompetence,
is it cowardice? Is it calculated politics? Either way, California
communities are left holding the bag, mister producer, can you
play cut one?

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Is Guy A.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Newsom ignoring California. The outgoing governor is facing backlash after
failing defund the tough on crime Prop thirty six in
the state's budget. In November, sixty eight percent of voters
in the Golden Gate state voted for the valid measure
that puts tougher consequences in place for retail theft, hard
drug and fentional related offenses. It also mandates treatment for

(04:18):
nonviolent drug offenders.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Skyrocketing retailer roberties, smash and grabs, and open fenconal dealing
inspired the measure. Luc on Newy's reported signs of improvement
following its passage, but not a dime was spared for
Prop thirty six. Newsom has opposed the initiative all along
setting the dangers of mass incarceration on warning against unintended
imagry producers.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Thank you, I'm Black.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
We are honored to welcome a distinguished figure in California
criminal justice system. One of my favorites, Yellow County District
Attorney Jeff Reesid, with nearly three decades of proscatory experience
and serving it as the county's chief elected law enforcement
officials since two thousand and seven. He stands as one
of California's longest serving district attorneys. He's a us U

(05:06):
See Davis alumnus with a law degree from the University
of Pacific. He's been at the forefront of criminal justice
reform and public safety initiatives. Notably, he played a pivotal
role in the development of Proposition thirty six, aiming to
address the complexities of drug and theft related offenses in
the state, and it was passed and was passed by

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nearly seventy percent of the vote, which is an incredible
measure to be so successful. Behind his beyond his prosecitutal
proscatorial duties, he's been a vocal advocate for transparency and
accountability in the justice system. There's many times where he
does his own research and data, which I love and
really appreciate, emphasizing the importance of balancing public safety and

(05:51):
equal treatment under the law. The people of Yellow County
absolutely love this guy, and so do many Californians, and
so do I, and I can see why he's a
very good leader and he's unafraid. Jeff, my friend, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
Sheriff. Thank you for having me. I'm really honored to
be part of this kickoff show. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Oh I tell you what, it's the first thing I
thought of was to have you come on, and you're
very gracious for coming. So any initial thoughts on what
you just heard in the current state of the true
current state of crime in California.

Speaker 7 (06:25):
Well, what I really latched onto a minute ago you
made a comment about whether Newsom's Governor Newsom's decision to
not support Prop thirty six with money was in competence
or a calculated political decision. And I have some vast
experience on this issue because, as you said, I was

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one of the architects of Prop thirty six, which ultimately
was path statewide by seventy percent. But maybe more importantly,
I was one of the key negotiators for the campaign team,
who I was meeting with senators and the Senate pro
tem and leadership in the building and the governor's own staff,

(07:07):
And so I know how fiercely Governor Newsom opposed Prop
thirty six. The punchline to answer your question is it's
one hundred percent a calculated political decision by Governor Newsom
to not fund Prop thirty six because the major donors
that will ultimately right him checks when he runs for

(07:30):
president are the same donors that are radically opposed to
what we were trying to do in Prop thirty six,
and they're the same donors that have funded him all along.
This is my opinion, but I believe it to my core,
and I think that that's where we are well.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
And it's amazing because, I mean, he's got presidential aspirations.
I mean, you'd have to be an idiot to think
that he doesn't, you know, want to aspire to be
more than just that. I mean, he's not going to
be the governor here pretty soon. There's other aspirations that
he may want to do, and at some point, you
have to be much more of a centrist, I would think,

(08:07):
in order to win an election at the national level.
Is it Is it one of those where he's trying
to play the role a little more progressive in order
to get through the primary and then you'll see this
difference later on or do you even have any idea.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Well, honestly on this issue, because I've seen some of
the stories where he clearly his interviews, I should say,
where he's trying to be more centrist. You know, he's
doing podcasts with Sean Ryan and other conservatives, and he's
saying things that sound conservative, and I think you're right.
That's clearly he's trying to position himself to be more

(08:45):
of a centrist. But on this issue of funding for
Prop thirty six, he's not going to abandon the people
that are writing him the big checks. Oh okay, And
that's what I'm saying. And just to remind your listeners,
you know Prop thirty six, it was focused on addressing
the rampant theft crisis that was tearing apart our state,
but also the drug crisis. You know, we have the

(09:07):
highest homelessness in the nation. It's gone up fifty percent
in the last decade while the rest of the country
went down, and we know from the front lines that
it was driven primarily by drug addiction, addiction to meth, heroin, cocaine,
et cetera. And so Prop thirty six brought some common
sense back to all of those issues. We had full
support from law enforcement, a lot of moderate Democrats. Seventy

(09:30):
percent of the voters passed it. Every single county including
San Francisco and La passed it. Yet Newsome, as you
point out, has not supported it ever, and he continues
to try and kill it. There's no rational way to
explain that other than what I said, which is just
loo who look at the money?

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Right?

Speaker 7 (09:48):
They always say it follow the money.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, mister producer, can you play cut two. Let's play
that in its entirety please.

Speaker 8 (09:57):
New data just came out showing a decrease in in
twenty twenty four. Urglary is down thirteen point six percent.
Larceny is down eighteen point six percent compared to pre
pandemic levels. This is after a record one billion dollars
in state resources, unprecedented focused on public safety, focused not
only on local law enforcement, but investigations and prosecutions. We've

(10:22):
also enhanced our Organized Retail Theft Task Force, working with
additional CHP officers. They've been involved in now over thirty
seven hundred investigations, over forty two hundred suspects have been arrested,
and they've recovered one point three million stolen goods. We're
also coordinating more effectively with local law enforcement and key
areas to saturate and focus our law enforcement outreach to

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combat vehicle theft, and also to focus on organized crime.
By the way, that's resulted in six thousand arrests and
the recovery of over forty five hundred stolen vehicles. This
is all proof positive the public safety is best achieved
through smart strategies, yes, but most importantly strong partnerships.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Man, I can't believe the audacity of this man when
it failed to implement a program and then he turns around,
that's seventy percent of the people nearly votefore and then
he claims victory by saying everything's fine. Is what's the
realistic issue that's going on in California right now when

(11:27):
it comes to actual crime.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
Well, look, California has been a mess for a decade
on crime, principally because the progressive left has passed countless
bills and initiatives that have resulted in a decriminalization of
things like drugs and theft and prostitution, soliciting prostitution. They've

(11:51):
passed bills that resulted in the early release of prisoners
from state prisons who are not rehabilitated, that have not
served their full sentences. They's laws that allow judges to
release serious and violent criminals early just because they're young
or old, and all of this over the last decade

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has resulted in a mass increase in victimization in California.
What I find really ironic is that during the Prop
thirty six campaign, which started actually in late twenty twenty
three early twenty twenty four, by all accounts, crime was
off the hook. The official data said that, but you

(12:33):
heard from Newsom and others, everything's fine, Everything's fine in California.
Anybody that says different is just a maga conspirator and
pushing a right wing narrative. Well that wasn't the case, obviously,
But during the campaign, which went on for a solid year,
we had non stop coverage on crime, and I think

(12:56):
anybody who's listening to your show and was paying attention
saw it. It was like, on stop, every media station
was talking about Prop thirty six and about the drugs,
and about the homelessness, and about the retail theft. And
I have a real strong feeling that that was actually
all positive deterrent messaging to criminals in California. And I

(13:16):
think that that strong messaging all through the campaign of
Prop twenty four did pay dividends in the sense that
criminals got the message loud and clear that we were
coming for them, and you know the fact that seventy
percent of the voters passed it shows you that the
public agreed with that had enough.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know, one of the things that in my opinion,
I'm sure you agree was the biggest issue is that
in the past, and when I say the past, it's
been a while because Prop. Forty seven was in place
for such a long time as you as you pointed out,
but prior to that that judges had the ability to
detain people in jail, put them in jail, They had

(13:58):
the ability to have managed mental health treatment, They had
the ability to do mandatory drug treatment. And with Prop
forty seven, really that was thrown out the window, right,
Everything was thrown out of the window. There wasn't those
kind of options that people could do. And the whole purpose,
one of the purposes of Prop. Thirty six was to
bring that back. Is that correct, where you're giving the

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judiciary the ability to actually use those important stick and
carrot measures to be able to Number one, does somebody
need to go to jail? Does somebody need mental health treatment,
does somebody need drug treatment, or do they need a
little both, or if they're not, you know, if they
don't successfully or decide not to go through mental health treatment.

(14:43):
Then does the jail kicker, you know, play a role?
So how important is not having that implemented, which it
appears that it hasn't been implemented in most cases, or
are you starting to see it implemented in some areas,
but there isn't the f for it, because you've got
to have funding to be able to have these kinds

(15:04):
of programs.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
It has been implemented with some degree of success in
some counties. So remember fifty eight counties in California, right,
nearly forty million people. But the problem is there's just
not enough resources to provide comprehensive treatment for everybody. And
so I just got back from LA recently where I

(15:27):
was meeting with the other elected das from around California,
and what we're hearing is in some places, for example,
Orange County, they're doing a really good job of taking
some of these seriously addicted people who are now being
arrested under the new laws of Prop. Thirty six, and
they're being compelled into these drug courts, which is what
we want. We want these people to get treatment and

(15:48):
get well. We want jail to be a last resort
but you need the caret and you need a stick,
and they're doing a good job there, but they need
a lot more. They need more judges, they need more
treatment providers, they need or probation officers. That's where the
money from the state is essential. And in some smaller
counties they just don't have the system at all, and
so they're not able to provide that kind of intervention

(16:12):
and treatment for people who are seriously addicted. And so
Newsom's decision to abandon funding, to not seek sufficient funding
is really an attack on the people who need to
help the most. Again, it's ironic because I thought he
you know, he sells himself as wanting to fight for
the underprivileged in the little guy well, who's more down

(16:33):
on their luck than an addict who's living on the
street that needs residential treatment. But Newsom is guaranteed that
there's no money, sufficient money to help those people.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, that's what's mind boggling to me. If you remember,
I came out and was embedded with the Riverside County
Sheriff's Office for about a week and I was wrote
around with the different bureaus in that department, and it
was amazing for me to see that there were there
were many times made to stop. The officer made to stop,
and I was with them, and the person had twenty

(17:04):
twenty five active bench warrants that was put out for them.
But back then they really couldn't take them to jail
because well, they said, it's going to be a waste
of time. We're going to book them in. They're going
to get right back out unless they you know, they
indicate there's something dramatic about the person, and in most
cases they're still not. They didn't do it as a result,

(17:26):
And to me, there's a big issue with criminal vagrancy.
I mean, I understand homelessness, there is, there are people
who are homeless, but to me, this is more of
a criminal vagrancy issue that's occurred because people are addicted
and they're not getting the treatment. And you would it
would make total sense to me that through a classification

(17:47):
system once they get arrested, as you know, most sheriffs
have a classification system that they're able to at least
get them into a the beginning of mental health treatment
or drug treatment. And you would think that would be
a very liberal thing to do. I mean, I'm I'm
you know, there's nothing wrong with liberal. I'm I'm liberal

(18:08):
when it comes to certain things. In liberal means that
you're going to be a steward of the people and
you're going to take care of them and give them opportunities.
That almost that liberal philosophy is no longer, you know,
it's become conservative in many ways because they're seeing conservatives
that you know, willing to adopt these kinds of strategies

(18:28):
in the In the the radicals have basically just blown
it up and just said we want total chaos.

Speaker 7 (18:36):
Yeah. No, I agree with that, and I think it's
an ideology that has really it's the super majority ideology
in the legislature and with the governor. Everything you just
said I think is right. I just have to tell
you this. I came at this issue as a career prosecutor, obviously,
but I also have a family member who's been homeless.
He's addicted to heroin, and he's lived on the streets

(18:57):
for ten years and he survived by stealing and buying
his drugs with whatever he steals, the money that he steals.
So when I sat down with our team and we
wrote Prop thirty six, which was designed to bring back
drug courts and intervention. It was with him in mind,
and so I come at the issue with a lot
of compassion for wanting to help people out there that

(19:18):
are sick and need it, and recognizing that our government
in California failed for the last ten years to provide
any meaningful tools to address that problem, and that's why
the homelessness population exploded. It's not a housing crisis, it's
a drug crisis, right, And so I do I agree.
I find it very ironic that in this political reality

(19:41):
in California, somehow were the bad guys for suggesting that
these people need to be arrested and mandated into treatment,
and that the state should pay for it. That should
be a no brainer.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
And fifty six of this is back. You know, last year,
we're fifty six of the fifty eight das and sheriffs
as far as I understand, supported Prop thirty six. The
two that didn't are no longer DEA's They got voted
out of office, if memory serves. But people have to
understand this is California. The fifty eight now that support it,

(20:15):
you know, basically support it, are coming from their Democrats
and Republicans, and yet Sacramento isn't listening to their own
law enforcement leaders from both sides of the aisle in
order to ensure that they are rolling out the kind
of criminal justice public policy that requires people to make sense.

(20:38):
I understand that Governor Newsom, as the governor, wants a
certain direction, but he also has a legislature, and so
where are the senators, where are the state reps? If
fifty six of the fifty eight of both Republican and
Democrat district attorneys and sheriffs supported this, I just don't

(21:00):
understand why there wasn't enough of the same people that
come from your county and other counties that you know,
you're as a DA and a sheriff, you're highly respected.
In many ways, you're almost like a congress person because
you come from such a large percentage of population, So
you're representing a vote that's very, very high, and they're

(21:20):
not listening to that, and it just doesn't make political
sense in many ways.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
Jeff, Well, there actually were quite a few moderate Democrat
Assembly members and senators that supported our effort to seek
enhanced funding. I was that was encouraging that, you know,
we had folks like Senator Tom Lumberg out of the
La Area and other call them moderate Democrats that did

(21:44):
advocate just recently for enhanced funding in the state budget.
But make no mistake, k Newsome was not going to
allow it. It really, I mean the end of the day,
you know, he's got a lot of power, and it
was his decision to ensure that sufficient money was not
allocated to Prop thirty six. And again, I believe that

(22:05):
if you look at why it comes down to, the
implementation of mandated drug treatment is a policy provision that
he's opposed for a long time because the major donors,
the people he relies upon, like the George Soroses of
the world, support drug legalization period. So I don't think

(22:28):
you'll ever see Newsome abandon his ideological position on that
because it is calculated politics.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah. Man, that's just amazing. So where's the Attorney general
at in all this for California?

Speaker 7 (22:42):
Yeah, on these particular issues, he's been pretty irrelevant in
the enforcement side of it. You know, during the campaign,
you know, he was not in support. He claimed to
be neutral, but he was involved behind the scenes with
IDOL and summary and some of the things on the
initiative that exposed his bias against what we were trying

(23:05):
to do. You know, he's aligned with NUSOM, but once
it passed, he's been pretty much quiet on the whole thing.
He's certainly not advocating for money to enforce the provisions,
which is unfortunate. He should be. He's the chief law
enforcement officer.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, but he's been a non player in California. What
does the Attorney general? What kind of agencies does reports
directly to the Attorney general? From a law enforcement perspective,
is everything governor centric or do some law enforcement personnel
respond to the Attorney general in California?

Speaker 7 (23:41):
Well, yeah, he's an elected constitutional officer at the state
level by law, under the California Constitution, both sheriffs, elected
sheriffs and elected district attorneys are subordinate to him, meaning,
you know, he could call up a sheriff for a
DA and say I'm coming in to take over this
case or this prosistution, and we would defer to him

(24:02):
under the constitution. That rarely happens, by the way, But
on a day to day basis, there's almost no interaction,
very limited interaction with he and his office. You know,
he has obviously a team of deputy Attorney General, prosecutors,
and then investigators that do prosecute certain types of cases
and do certain investigations. But I mean, here I am

(24:25):
and going on into my nineteenth year as an elected
DA and I can just tell you there's very little
interaction between local das and sheriffs and the Attorney General
on a regular basis.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Boy, that's just a shame because it's just such a
natural fit to be able to help each other out.
Does the California has a Department of Justice?

Speaker 7 (24:46):
Noe? Is that correct? That's right, And that's what Rob Bonta,
who's the Attorney General is, he oversees that.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Okay, So I mean that's you know, that's a major
arm that could provide a lot of help and assistance
if they I wanted to to be able to help
fight crime and give resources they can't you know, again
taken over as one thing, but having the additional resources
to be able to come in, especially for specialized services,
would be appropriate. Many times I would think.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
Well it is. And don't get me wrong, there are
situations where the Attorney General will work with locals, usually
in the area of drug interdiction, occasionally in some other areas.
So you'll see those stories. But the reality, what I'm
saying is that they're not solely focused on the public
safety piece. I mean, let's just be honest. I mean,
he's more focused on suing the current president right now

(25:39):
than he is on supporting law enforcement to interdict violent
gangs and drugs, and so limited resources on his end,
and they prioritize where they allocate those two. You know,
in my experience, political things. You know, the last attorney
general we had that was actually kind of more law

(25:59):
and order goes back twenty years in California, and since
then it's just been a hodgepodge of you know, political
opportunists in my experience.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Oh that's amazing, that's amazing. So let's talk briefly. We're
gonna have to take a break here in a second,
but I don't want to forget about the victims. What
are you seeing from the victims side of the house
that is impacting a lot of how they see what's
going on.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
So glad you asked that, it's really devastating what is
happening to victims of crime in California. And this is
something I do see firsthand every day in the cases
that I'm handling, and I just saw it again with
das from all over the state. We gathered to talk
about what's happening. And because of the radical efforts in
the state legislature to decriminalize, to let people out, prisoners

(26:49):
out early, et cetera, victims feel abandoned, They feel revictimized
when they get the phone call from the state prison
that's somebody that was sentenced to life in prison is
being let out early under some new provision of law.
That that happens when they get the call from the
parole department that somebody is being released back into their

(27:11):
very community without any meaningful supervision or any meaningful treatment.
This is happening every day at scale across California, and
it's unequivocally it's the worst thing that I've seen in
a long time when it comes to victims of crime.
It's almost as if the legislature has forgotten that victims

(27:33):
have rights.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
I tell you, victims are they have a special place
and they need to be taken care of. So in
the DA's across this country, space place play a special
role and is a victim advocate. So appreciate the work
that you do very much.

Speaker 9 (27:50):
There.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
We got to take a break for a couple of minutes.
Can can we have you back just for to finish
up right after the break?

Speaker 7 (27:56):
Sounds good, very good.

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Speaker 4 (31:22):
My friends, we've been talking with Yellow County District Attorney
Jeff Reesig and we've been discussing the role out of
Prop thirty six, and you know, one of the things
that's come up also is the immigration issue that's occurring.
I am at a loss for words in many ways, Jeff,
that America has always been a criminal justice public policy

(31:47):
society where we have supported local state federal agencies. We've
worked together all the time. There were different organizations, but
when people call for help, were there for them. We
work together. And I'm astonished at the lack of working

(32:08):
with our federal counterparts in different places in American California
is one of these areas. How much of an impact
has the immigration not willing to work with our federal
counterparts on immigration affected the people in your county and
has it also caused victimization?

Speaker 7 (32:32):
Yeah, I have a strong opinion on that. You know.
SB fifty four is what is called the California Values Act.
It's the sanctuary state law that California passed back in
twenty seventeen. And my opinion is that it's actually been
a terrible thing for Californians and that it's actually caused
more harm and more victimization. And here's why. What that

(32:55):
law said was that frontline law enforcement police sheriffs, and
das can cooperate with federal officials who are performing their
job and immigration enforcement. And it prevents the locals from
even picking up the phone and calling immigration officials when
they have a violent illegal immigrant in their custody, with

(33:15):
rare exceptions, and so what happens, as you've seen, is
that ICE and the immigration officials come into communities without
any information from local sheriffs or police about where their
targets are. And you know better than anybody's sheriff, who
knows more in a particular community about where the illegal immigrants,

(33:38):
the criminal illegal aliens are the sheriff because he's got
most of them in the jail, or between the sheriff,
the police, and the DA you know where these individuals
may live and work. And if we were allowed under
California's law to coordinate with federal officials, it would be
much more targeted. The result of the lack of the

(33:59):
cooperation because of that law is a lot more collateral damage.
Meaning ICE comes in, they come in heavy, they know
who they want to get, but in the meantime they
scoop up a lot of other people who make right
And so to me, I just think that it's a
terrible policy. It is an abandonment in my opinion, of

(34:21):
our oath of office, which we swear to uphold, the
Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the
State of California. And yet California wants to tie my
hands from helping federal officials. It's real travesty.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Well, I never thought that we would need this, but
I think there needs to be a it needs to
be against. It's already against the law, so we're almost
like ignoring the law. But there's got to be something
that says we can't do it, that law cannot be enacted.
I mean, I don't know how we got to this point.
It just seems like we're living in crazy land a

(34:58):
lot of times when it comes to people who just
decide that we're going to pass something and it seeks muster.
I would think the Supreme Court by now would overturn
those kinds of things. I know that's not how the
Supreme Court works. That's you know, there's flow through that's
got to go through them. But it's almost like law
enforcement should be able to say I can't enforce that law.

(35:21):
I know you passed that law, but I can't enforce
it because I took an oath office, as you rightfully said,
to not only the state of California's constitution, but the
constitution of the United States of America. And I know,
you know, they're not enforcing per se. They don't may
not have arrest powers. The federal government has given some

(35:41):
local and state actors now federal law enforcement authority to
go out and work in these To me, that kind
of relationship makes sense as you actually deputize and because
you said it perfectly local law enforcement, especially the sheriff.
But local law enforcement knows where everybody's at because we
spend ninety five percent of our time looking for the

(36:02):
five percent of bad actors that are in our county
and it's not rocket science most of the time. And
if someone's in a jail, it only makes sense that
a federal agent should be able to walk into that
jail and take somebody out or get a heads up
that somebody's going to get a release and have a
hold on them. Because you mentioned collateral damage, the amount

(36:25):
of money that has been spent on destruction of property,
the loss of injury, the loss No, we haven't had
anybody lose their life, but I think we've had a couple.
But somebody's going to get killed pretty soon. It's going

(36:46):
to be a federal agent that this should never happen.
I think we came close on the on the the
legal plotform that got raided and that went out of control,
and that was a legal plotfarm. Was I can listed plotform.
It was an illegal plotfarm in California where you had

(37:07):
all these people basically working in slave labor, and it
was a legal business. And yet the state of California
did not go in and make sure that the regulations
of business ownership and labor laws were even enforced when
it comes to those kinds of things. Again, is crazy, Jeff,
that we are living in a society where we treat

(37:30):
people this way.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
Yeah, I agree. Well, the riots in La that we
saw during the ice enforcements and other parts of the
state where you just pointed out, there's been massive hundreds
of millions of dollars in damage and losses to victims
across the state as a result of the rioting and
the violence. You've had federal officials assaulted, rocks thrown at

(37:53):
them their windows, people spit on shot at in some
parts of the country. This is all totally unacceptable and
it's a direct result of this, in my opinion, the
bad law in California, the sanctuary law, which is then
it's fueled by political narrative, and you've seen it out
of Mayor Bass and even our own governor when they

(38:16):
talk about federal officials and these folks that are doing
their job, but they demonize them. And the whole thing
to me is just a travesty that we have. As
you said, it's almost as if the state of California
has turned its back on the federal officials that are
doing their job under the law.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Is there anything the citizens, the voters of California can
do right now to try to get another handle of
this and go in a different direction.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
Absolutely, well. The Values Act, the Sanctuary law can be
changed by the legislature. It was passed by the legislature.
It can be changed by them. And you know, we
don't have to completely abandon the idea that some people
have that they want to protect immigrants who are here
peacefully doing a job. But the way that the sanctuary
law was written, it's overly restrictive. It's creating these risks

(39:11):
that I talked about, and it's tying our hands as
law enforcement to identify the violent criminals in the community
that really do need to go, that need to be
picked up by ice and deported. So what pick up
the phone call your lawmaker, tell them we need to
amend this law. It doesn't make sense. And you know
that's where we have to go. That's the only way

(39:31):
we're going to fix it. Unless a case makes its
way to the Supreme Court and it's the Supreme Court
issues a decision that California sanctuary law is unconstitutional. No
case has gone that far yet. It went to the
Ninth Circuit about three or four years ago and it
stopped there.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Well, folks, it's time to pick up the phone and
start calling people and follow Jeff's lead. I highly recommend
you stay in touch with your area district attorney and
your sheriff. They're elected individuals, they want to serve you,
and it's important to have those kinds of relationships and
reach out and be supportive of your local district attorney,

(40:11):
your local sheriff, and your local police. And we also
got to be there for our federal counterparts. Jeff, it's
always a absolute pleasure to see you again and for
being on the shows, and thanks for coming back to
my maiden voyage here on today's show. Thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (40:32):
It was my honor sheriff. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Stay safe and appreciate you, my friends. If you're looking
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(40:56):
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So you can reach out to Catholic Speakers dot com
and you can look up doctor Curry Myers and I'm
happy to come speak at one of your events. You know,

(41:17):
my friends, today is a special day. It just happens
to be. This is the first show that I'm doing.
But every day I reflect on August fifth, because in
August fifth, nineteen ninety three, it was I was involved
in the Federal building shootout and bombing incident in to Peaka, Kansas.

(41:40):
I was a special agent with the Kansas Fear of
Investigation back then signed to the DEA Task Force in
Kansas City. In the early morning, I arrived at the
Federal Courthouse in Topeka and was meeting with an assistant
US attorney. We were working on a case when unbeknownst
to us, a railroad account convicted of federal drug crimes

(42:03):
was about to attack us, armed with guns and explosives
attached to his body and in a duffel bag. He
parked his vehicle next to my vehicle, my undercover vehicle,
and then blew it up, blew my car up next
to it, began to walk into the courthouse, and then

(42:24):
activated a bomb in his vehicle. After the vehicle bomb,
the suspect burst in the Federal building and he mortally
wounded a special US Deputy Marshall by the name of
Jean Goldsberry, who I had known. I was a trooper
prior to joining the KBI, and Jean was a retired
Kansas how Patrol captain. I just had said hi to

(42:48):
Captain Goldsberry as I about an hour before when I
walked into the Federal building. The Federal Building in Topeeka
is a design failure when it came to security architecture.
Once inside, it's an atrium concept, which means in the
middle you can view each floor from the ground up.
The suspect fired gunshots and through pipe bombs, and he

(43:09):
walked through the building and up the fourth floor hallway
to the clerk's office, where he shot and wounded others.
Hearing the explosions, The Assistant Attorney General and I contacted
the KBI. I walked out of the office and looked
down and saw chaos and heard another round of explosions

(43:30):
above me. Went back inside and requested the staff of
the U S. Attorney's office to secure themselves in the
conference room, and I locked the door and made my
way up the third floor to the fourth floor staircases.
The gunman was located in the clerk's office, which was
immediately at the top of the stairs, and to my left,

(43:51):
tunnel vision started to occur. My direct vision, which show
was slow and sharp, vision was funny and fuzzy and
fast moving. I'd been in a shooting situation before and
was a member of our tactical team with hundreds of
operations a year, but this was a whole new level

(44:13):
of danger. I prayed for help, as we often do
in those times. I prayed to see my family. Then
suddenly a couple heroes showed up. Two troopers at Boring

(44:37):
and Camumah who were friends of mine we worked together
as troopers were significant heroes that day. They went direct
to threat, which wasn't trained back then, even though that
wasn't the law enforcement training at that point, and came
directly to my aid in the stairwell as we began

(45:02):
to make our way up to the fourth floor to
engage the cesspect. Apparently he dropped his duffel bag full
of pipe bombs and detonated, causing serious injury, and then
fatally shot himself. The building was full of smoke and
still active pipe bombs. Some of the bombs still active,

(45:23):
some had motion sensors. It took seven to eight hours
to clear that building, and the crime scene lasted days
after the ordeal. I walked out to the car that
was damaged, couldn't drive it. It's now part of a
crime scene. Without thinking, I just started walking down the
street when a special agent coworker of mine passed me

(45:49):
and stopped and picked me up and drove me back
to my house. There was really no place to process anything,
no mental health follow ups, no one to talk with.
The next day basically was back the work. We've made
some advances in law enforcement on mental health and treatment

(46:10):
for people that get involved in these situations. We later
learned that the suspect, during his time out on bail,
built very technical bombs, amassing a large volume of ammunition.
Also in the duffel bag were large amounts of water
and nutritional bars. So he had planned it out. He
was there for the long term. One dead, five people

(46:34):
had been wounded, and our lives changed forever. The smell,
the sun sounds are still clear today. Life could have
changed considerably at that time. I had three kids, now

(46:56):
we have five. Dangers often occur in a law enforcement
officer's life, but on that day in nineteen ninety three,

(47:19):
I was blessed to my law enforcement colleagues still on
the job. When you go home tonight, spend some time

(47:46):
with your family and make it a routine, because you
never know when it might end. Sorry for getting a
little emotional that those things happen. I want to speak

(48:12):
plainly to the American people about something that should chill
all of us to the bone, the ongoing criminal investigation
of two former heads of the most powerful government agencies,
former CIA director John Brennan and former c FBI director
James Comy. Let me be clear, my friends, this isn't
about left or right. It's about right or wrong. It's

(48:35):
about whether the institutions charged with protection our nation have
crossed a line that no free society can afford to tolerate.
The Justice departments probe into these men, one referred for
potential perjury by the way, the other under scrutiny for
deeply troubling actions. Raises one critical question, can we trust

(48:56):
the very institutions designed to protect us? Mister producer, play
cut three, please.

Speaker 12 (49:03):
The Russia collusion hoax against President Trump remains the single
greatest hoax and the greatest assault on our democracy in
the history of this country. There's no comparison, there's no
parallel to anything else. It was a coup, and I'm
using that term literally. It was a coup to overthrow

(49:23):
a democratically elected government, a coup carried out by the
intelligence apparatus of this country, by the deep state, by
Hillary Clinton and the Democrat Party. The new information that
has been revealed by the Director of National Intelligence and
by the FBI eliminates any scentilla of doubt about the intention,

(49:45):
the premeditation, the planning, and orchestration of this conspiracy. It
meets all of the criminal elements of a seditious conspiracy
against the United States. It meets the criminal elements of
an insurrection. It meets the criminal elements of conspiracy against
the government, and the criminal elements of a conspiracy to
deprive citizens of their civil rights under color of law,

(50:07):
one egregious felony after another. And because it is a conspiracy,
is demonstrated by the forethought of realizing and documenting that
they understood that this was fake from the beginning, meeting
them Andreya's standard in law. Because of that, because it
is a conspiracy, every single individual actor is now part

(50:30):
of that conspiracy. So that includes Brennan and Clapper and
Comy and Hillary and Schiff and everybody else who knowingly
and wilfully perpetrated this plot, this coup, this conspiracy, this
scheme against President Trump and the government of the United States.
And now is the time and the hour and the
moment for accountability so that we can reclaim this democracy.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Maria, I'm going to gasp by this. The FBI and
CIA are supposed to be arbiters of freedom. Thank goodness.
We have a CIA director and FBI director that has

(51:14):
been appointed that's going to go in and try to
fix these issues. But my friends, there's deep state people
that could be acting in there that still can prevent
things from occurring. I do trust that we are in
a different era that we're going to purge ourselves of
these issues, but we need to stay understanding and stay

(51:41):
where we can focus on what's in front of us
and understand that these things can happen, and we need
to make sure that we build opportunities in the future
that we can get a better hold and have better
control over our government institutions. For twenty twenty four, the

(52:01):
total line of duty deaths and law enforcement was one
hundred and forty five officers. So far this year, fifty
law enforcement officers have been killed in the line of
work duty. Since last week episode, two officers died Saint Michael.
Please pray for them, their families and us. The two
that has died most recently, Deputy Sheriff Elijah Ming of

(52:23):
the Windee County Sheriff's Office in Kansas died by gunfire
on Saturday, July twenty sixth, and Detective due to All
Islam of New York City Police Department died on Monday,
July twenty eighth by gunfire. My friends, this is doctor
Curry Myers, America's criminologist. You can keep up with me

(52:43):
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