Americas_Criminologist_09_02_25 Guest Carl Jackson

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doctor Kerry Myers.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Oh it's a beautiful day, my friends. Welcome to the show.
In my book The Event of Feral Man, I discussed
the wilding of humans and how time changes the criminal
arc type that has occurred in the last decade or so.
For my years on the job as a state trooper,
special agent and then sheriff of a major county in America,
I understand cause and effect firsthand, and as an applied criminologist,

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I put it all together for the public to be
able to see what is really going on in America today.
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right into it, folks. Here's my riff for today. America

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stands at a pivotal juncture, not because moon dust moment,
but because our core society pillars are wobbling. Let me
break it down straight. Faith, family, and formation aren't just
buzzwords there, They've got real world results. First. Faith. A
robust body of research shows that religiosity is more than spiritual,

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it's socially protective. In fact, analysis of forty delinquency studies
found that in seventy five percent of cases seventy five
percent higher levels of religiosity, whether through attendance, prayer, or
Bible study, were constantly linked to reductions in juvenile delinquency.

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Studies that measured multiple dimensions of faith found this relationship
even stronger next as family. While individuals. Links between family
disruption and violent crime can be murky. Macro level studies
show that communities marked by widespread family disruption, especially father absence,

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tends to experience the higher rates of violence. And then
there's formation, which I divine as investing in character, skill building,
social capital if you will. Programs like communities that care
back a. Longitudinal research demonstrate that when communities intentionally foster
protective factors like family support, life skills, and clear norms,

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youth are twenty five percent less likely to initiate delinquent
behavior by grade seven and twenty nine percent less likely
than grade ten. Faith builds more anchors, strength, families subsidize discipline.
Formation keeps us purposely tracked. When these pillars fail, the
consequences are predictable, broken homes, crime, and despair. But when

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we restore them, life is transforming. Today. I have a
very special guest whose story is as powerful as it
is inspiring. Carl Jackson was born and raised in Los Angeles, California.
At just eleven years old, he lost his mother unexpectedly
leaving him and his five siblings searching for strength without

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their patriarch. His path through life not easy, marked by
moving back and forth between Los Angeles and Orlando, Florida,
struggling as a teenager, facing jail time, and becoming a
young father. But Carl's story doesn't end in despair. It's
a story of redemption through the guidance of family, the
influence of friends, and ultimately the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

(04:53):
Carl found his purpose. He turned to faith, embraced hard work,
and began to study the truth about a Erica's history,
discovering that our Constitution, though written in flawed time, carries
a divine and exceptional character rooted in biblical principles. And
now Carl Jackson's on a mission to help others break

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free from the false promises of government dependency and instead
embrace God given gifts, family values, and the pursuit of
true liberty. He's here to share his journey in his
message of faith, freedom, and responsibility. Carl launched the Carl
Jackson Podcast, bringing conservative commentary, critical cultural critique, and faith

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driven insights through his daily episodes under the Salem Podcast Network.
Since his debut He's racked up probably nearly a thousand
episodes or so. He didn't stop there. You see Carl
all over the place. He took over the WRLN AM
and Orlando slots, stepping in to Phil Larry Elder on

(05:57):
The Larry Elder Show. Launched his podcast, Be a Salem
officially in February twenty twenty two. The Salem podcast Network
for Context reaches millions of loyal listeners daily and ranks
among the top podcast networks in America. On top of that,
Carl is a familiar voice on six sixty am The
Answer in Dallas and contributes regularly as a Fox thirty

(06:20):
five WOFL political analyst, reinforcing his reach across both radio
and television mediums. Ladies and gentlemen, Carl Jackson isn't just
a commentator. He's a seasoned voice with serious momentum and Carl,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Thank you, Doc. I appreciate you having me on Man.
With that introduction, I was looking around and trying to
remember if that was actually me you were talking about
somebody else. I was impressed with Man. I had forgotten
that stuff. It's almost not quite as impressive as the
accolades when I'm reading Doctor Curry Myers, Well.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
I got none less. I got that check you sent
me for one hundred dollars, so I wanted to make sure.
I wanted to make sure I go yeah, no, no,
it's a pleasure to have you, you know. I was
just thinking that, Carl the other day, that I came
on your show. I think a little over a year ago,
if memory serves are The first show I did with
you was on the Idaho College Murder Cases, and you

(07:19):
were very welcoming, and the thing I loved about I'd
love about your show every time I'm on, because you've
been very nice to me and have had me coming back,
come back, reoccurring, and I appreciate that. But you're able
to give me some space in order to explain things.
That is really helpful, especially as someone who you know

(07:42):
a lot of times, and you know this that you
do radio or especially television, you might have five minutes
to deliver a message and then you're out and the
people are moving on to something else. Your podcast and
radio shows allow a guest to be able to come
through more, and I think it's advantageous, and in fact,
I try to model what I'm doing here after you

(08:05):
because You've been a mentor to me in the work
that I'm doing. So I'm trying to do the same
thing where I where if we have guests, we try
to have them most of the time. I want to
give them some space. So I just a personal thanks
for your mentorship for always. I ask a lot of
questions and you give wisdom back. And I just wanted

(08:26):
to tell you personally that I love you for that,
and thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
God bless you. Doc. I appreciate that. I love you too, man,
I really appreciate it. Obviously, there's experts out there that
know far more than I do, people like yourself. And
I do remember that first show, and I think virtually
every time I've had you, when I've sat in on
national air, I often tell the story of just how
you nailed the idea whole case like nobody's business. Before

(08:54):
they even found a guy. You were like, they're probably
going to be looking for ABC, D and E, and
then all of this stuff happened that you mentioned, and
I'm like, oh my lord, okay, we got to have
this guy back. He knows what he's talking about. So
that was pretty cool and obviously you've been a wonderful guest,
I reoccurring guests, as you've mentioned ever since. So we

(09:15):
love having you on.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, thank you so much, very kind. So let's go
back to your childhood, Carl, and what was it like
having such adversity as a young age and kind of
explain that process that occurred and how you know this
this impact you personally as a young child.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know, I got to tell you, So, this is
the craziest thing. I really didn't realize even where I
grew up. I grew up in the in the hood.
I was born in Compton, California, grew up primarily in
Linwood and Long Beach, California. And honestly, when when my
mother was when my mother was alive, my dad, my mother,

(09:56):
they took us to church every week. It was a
cult nonetheless, but hey, we went to church. We figured
that part out later. We find we found Jesus eventually. Uh,
but still they brought us up with a religious background.
So even though we were in not the greatest neighborhoods,
we we were very they were very strong and making
sure that we went to church every week, that we

(10:18):
did Bible lessons, so on et cetera. But my mother
died when, uh, when I was eleven years old. It
was unexpected and uh, and so that was a that
was a very hard time at that point in time.
My dad was a disciplinarian pretty much. I think, like
a lot of older people were, you know, in my
uh in my general well, in my dad's generation, pretty

(10:40):
much disciplinarians. They weren't the type of guys that were,
you know, softer with would say I love you very
much and all that kind of stuff. They went to work,
you know, and you know, helped, you know, pay the
bills so on, et cetera. My dad was that way.
So when my mom passed away, I was very close
to her. Uh that was a that was a hard time.
And so I think at that point in time, although

(11:00):
I was pretty good at school or doing school business,
if you will, at that at that time, I started
slowly drifting away. And my dad, who was a disciplinarian,
I mean, the death of my mother absolutely rocks him.
And I got to see him in ways that I
never saw him, you know, emotionally, and I think he

(11:21):
just kind of he kind of loosened the chains, if
you will. And and for whatever reason, uh, you know,
just going through his own thing again. My brothers and I, uh,
and not my two older brothers, but there were there.
I have two brothers, swim brothers that are close a
couple of years older than me.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
We we grew up in a neighborhood where there were
a lot of gangs, and frankly, a lot of our
friends were in gangs. Uh, And we didn't think much
of it. That was just the way that life was.
And we would hang around with them, you know, after
school and sometimes in school and so on, et cetera.
We would have each other's back, backs and and and
so that you know that led, you know, one thing

(11:58):
led to another. Was getting into a little trouble in
LA but nothing that major, or at least I wasn't caught,
i'd say. And then I ended up moving to Orlando,
Florida to live with an and and uncle of mine
when I was fifteen fifteen years old, stayed with them
for about a year, moved back to Los Angeles, and

(12:19):
not only to return to Orlando a year later. And
then I found myself just getting in trouble with the law,
you know, trying to make it on my own, doing
stupid stuff. I ended up getting arrested on a couple
of different occasions, and I couldn't believe that, you know,
I got arrested one time and I was sitting in jail,
and I'm like, I can't believe that I'm here. I mean,
this is stupid. Why why are you here, Carlit? Why

(12:42):
would you do something so stupid. I didn't spend a
lot of time, thank God. But and then I found
myself in a similar situation, probably just a couple of
years later, thinking the exact same thoughts, but doing the
same kind of stupid stuff. And so, honestly, I went
to a church. I had to serve communities service. Oddly enough,
and I went to a church to serve community service.

(13:04):
I didn't want to go to this church, I'll be
honest with you. I was calling buddies of mind trying
to figure out where I could go to serve community service,
where I could kind of gyp the time, if I'm
being honest with you, And eventually I ended up going
to this church, which I attend to this day, Faith
Assembly of God here in Orlando. And when I went

(13:27):
to the church, I met a guy by the name
of Jim Angelochus, who actually is a pastor there. He
was the custodial manager there at the time. And he
walked me around the facility, showed me what I needed
to do, introduced me to people, never told anybody what
I was there for. Hey, this young man is here
to help out, so on, et cetera. And I was

(13:48):
feeling so ashamed at the time, Doc, I can't even
explain it. I mean, I wasn't raised to be a
little hoodlump. I mean my mother would have been extremely disappointed.
My dad, no doubt. Well, I just wasn't raised to
be a hoodlum. That was something that they looked down upon,
something that my dad. I mean when my dad saw graffiti,
I mean he was a black dude whose face got red.

(14:09):
He could not stand it. He couldn't stand people tearing
up the neighborhood or committing crime. It's just not the
way that he raised us. But anyway, I go to
this church, I do some community service, or I get
ready to do some community service. After I meet this guy,
this guy asked if he could pray with me. After
he introduces me to all these people and stuff, and

(14:30):
he prays with me, and then he says, you know,
after the prayer, he says, I love you, shakes my
hand and he tries to give me a hug, and
I kind of pulled back because I'm like, WHOA is
this fool gay? I mean, like, that's what I was thinking.
You know, I may offend some people, but that's what
I was thinking at the time. I had never even
though I loved my dad. My dad passed away a
year ago, and we became much closer as he got older,

(14:53):
but I had never experienced that at that point, no
man had ever said they loved me. No one had
reached out to me like that before. And I got
to tell you, Doc, it just it just broke me.
And this was a this was a white dude. And
and you know, I got to say, growing up where
I grew up, honestly, the only time that I saw
white people were when I went to church, when I

(15:16):
went to church on the weekend. The neighborhood and the
schools I went to, they were all black and Mexican.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I think we had in a school nearly the high
school that I went to at one point, Lynwood High School.
At the time, I think there were nearly three thousand students.
I recall one white kid that was on campus. I
used to feel sorry for him, but that was that
was it. But here this man reached out to me.

(15:44):
And then as I got involved in the church did
more community service, the senior pastor called me one time.
I was having difficulties in the relationship that I was
in at the time, and I remember him saying, Hey,
you need to come to my office. Let's talk. At
the time, it was an exte of mine, and he
was like, listen, someone's got to give. You're either going

(16:05):
to serve the Lord or none. This is Pastor Carl Stevens.
He's now retired or semi retired Pastor Johnny Wilson that
runs the show now. But nonetheless, here was this guy
reaching out to me. And when I found more and
more doc because I grew up with this mentality that
the man was out to get you, cops were out
to get you. White people didn't want to see you succeed.

(16:26):
I grew up with that mentality. I wasn't taught that mentality,
ironically by my parents, but when you grow up in
the hood, frankly, that's all you hear in anybody. I'm
a generation exert. So anybody that grew up around the
same timeframe that I did know that that's the case.
That's what you hear. All you got to work. You know,
three times five times is hard to get anywhere in life.

(16:49):
You got you know, this is the mentality I grew
up with. But ironically, God was showing me that, you
know what, that wasn't right. I had all these people
that were coming alongside to help me, that that were
that happened to be white, that were like, dude, you
got potential, including including when I got arrested one time

(17:09):
for shoplifting. It was actually a black police officer that
arrested me. He didn't say much to me, but the
woman who called the cops on me literally sat me
back in the back and she was talking to me,
and I thought she was gonna let me get away
with it.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
Doc.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I thought she was gonna say, you get you know,
just just release them, you know, blah blah blah. But
she was like, you're so intelligent, You're I don't understand
why you're doing this. You have so much potential. Why
would you stoop to this level? And I'm sitting here
being scolded by this lady and I'm thinking, Okay, maybe
she'll let me off the hook. She didn't. But I'm

(17:45):
actually appreciative of that because even though I was sitting there,
literally cuffed inside of a back room waiting to be
purp walked by this by this black police officer in
Simo County, Florida. It was weird that lady speaking life
to me, even though she had no idea who she was,
just spoke to me for a few moments and was like,

(18:06):
what are you doing? It's just crazy. So God was
just showing me all these people that were coming into
my life supporting me that happened to be white. And
this narrative that I had that white people are against you,
the police are against you. All of this stuff just
started blowing up in my face and God just radically,

(18:30):
radically changed my heart, radically changed my mind.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
That's incredible, you know, when you were talking about your
upbringing and that you were only around like one or
two white people. I grew up in a rural part
of Kansas. We had one black family in our entire county. Wow,
and wonderful people of farmers. His son ended up becoming
a police officer in Wichita, Kansas and he was somebody that,

(18:59):
oh he was. He became a police officer. That's something
that I wanted to do. He was about ten years
older than I than I. But it's interesting that we
you know, here we are today, you and I sitting
here talking on the phone, and we've we experienced different
things from our from our family, you know, side of it,
in the in the in the community side of it,
where we didn't expense we had pretty much one culture,

(19:21):
you know that we were around most of most of
the time. And it's still how people can have a
major impact on you. So is it fair to say
that you know the power of God's grace change your
direction when you got there? After you started, did you
have to start kind of low and lowering down the shield?
I'm sure as a someone who's you kind of portrayed

(19:42):
yourself as a tough guy, if you will, because you
have to to survive, and then all of a sudden
you had to let down your shield in order to
let somebody in. How you remember that that time period
when you let it down, when you said, Okay, I'm
I'm going to accept that person's love. That's what it's about, right,
accepting somebody else's love.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Man. You know what, Doc, I got to tell you.
That is a great question. I'm not even sure that
most people would have known to ask that question, so
kudos to you. But honestly, I even I even told
this to my wife, my wife now at the time.
One of the things about being saved and being able

(20:26):
to be vulnerable with some of these people at the
time is I literally felt just like you just feel hardened.
I mean I felt like I felt such a RELI
just a release and relief, and I think that's why
I ended up breaking down, Like you just you always
have to be hard. You always have to watch your back,

(20:47):
you always have to act tough. And you know, now,
it's crazy when I go back to LA and I
don't go back that often, but when I go back,
you know, the areas that I that I grew up in,
I don't even necessarily want to want to visit. It's
the It's the weirdest thing. But when I was there,
it was all I knew, and it was just like, man,

(21:07):
you just gotta be tough. You gotta act tough, You
gotta you know, you don't want somebody to beat you up,
you don't want somebody to pick on you. You don't
want somebody to try to cord you into a gang
or something like that. So you always got to keep
your head on a swivel. You always got to act tough.
And I had no idea how much of a weight
that put on me until I was saved, until I

(21:28):
did go uh to that church show man. What a
great question, and yes, it's true. It was the first
time I felt like, Okay, I can be vulnerable with
some people. You know, this is okay. And again, initially
I thought that was something that only gay dudes.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
No hugging here, you got to show my strength.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah, but in many ways, you know, you're you're you're
almost when you're isolated like that, you almost becomes more animalistic,
where your survival instinct is to protect yourself. Yeah, you know,
and not be it, not being someone who can because
you're constantly I bet your situational awareness was at such

(22:13):
a high level because you every time you turn around,
you're number one. You're in a community that you have
to be very careful of what happens. You get to
be involved in a shooting or a stabbing, or friends
next to you may have problem. I mean, this is
Compton for Pete's sakes, and everybody knows that you know
the history around around Compton. And I'm sure as you

(22:34):
go out to Orlando you also had to struggle with
being that guy from Compton who's coming out here, and
so you had to put up a you know, I'm
from Compton. There's in't anything that you can't give me
that I haven't already lived. So I'm going to be
even tougher to show that I'm a Compton guy. Yeah,
it seems to me.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Now, yeah, I mean you you you hit the nail
on the head, that's for sure. You almost you know,
looking back on it now, I say at times, and
maybe I grew up paranoid, but but I got to
be honest with you, I think that's prepared me as
as I've gotten older. I mean still to this day,
I kind of keep my head on a swivel. I'm

(23:14):
always situationally aware. I don't think I'm the type of
person that will, you know, get robbed from looking away
or some of them like that. So I kind of,
you know, I don't know. I in a sense I
hate the way that I grew up, but also in
a sense I think it's made me situationally aware, and
I do. I do kind of like that, you know.

(23:35):
I mean my wife grew up differently and and you know,
I tell her, Man, you got to be situationally aware.
If I go to a restaurant, I want to I
look at the exits. I want to know where they're at.
I want to. I mean, I'm I'm that way to
this day. But I don't feel the same pressures, that's
for sure, But I do have that that kind of
situational awareness.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Well you missed, you missed out on a career and
being a cop. I mean, that's that's I was like
me when I go to I'm always, you know, situationally aware,
and if I set someplace, I'm looking for the exit,
my escape route where I'm going to go every time
somebody comes in. You know, you would have been a
good police officer, you know, to be that kind of
situationally aware and understand, you know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
It's criminals like me that made your career DOC. So
we've got some So we've got some similarities.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
And lucky I was perfect as a child. I didn't
have any of that. I didn't have any of that
baggage yet like I said, I wasn't caught, you know,
for some of the things that I did. So, so,
you know, the one thing that we have in common,
you and I is that I'm a I'm a big
history buff and I was agnostic. I don't know if

(24:47):
you're aware of that, but I was agnostic for many
years until God opened the door to me. I'm a
convert to the Catholic faith, but I've been agnostic for
many years. And what did it for me was the
teachings in history. If you look at the teachings of
the early Church fathers and goes back in history, it's
almost like everything that we've done or complain about has

(25:11):
already been done. It's already people have already. I know.
We live in the world of technology, Carl, and it's
certainly a different place than it was a thousand years ago,
but there were a lot of problems a thousand years ago,
you know too, And so through that time it's the
the Church fathers have set down and given us the guidelines.

(25:33):
They've given us the playbook, if you will, and you know,
especially things, you know, things like proverbs or the Psalms.
I mean, you can just read those and learn learn
like history lessons. Do you rely on some things like
that to help get you through? We got about sixty
seconds left for the commercial.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, definitely. I mean honestly, where I
started out, I started doing a podcast Holy Slant dot com,
and frankly, I wish I would have stuck with that,
and I'm trying to resort back to that without being
so overtly biblical. And I was mentored by Brad Bright,

(26:11):
who is the son of Bill Bright, the founder of
Campus Crusee for Christ for a period of time. But yeah,
even starting out in politics, my goal was always to
make got the issue, because once I became a believer
and started reading the word I did, I saw the
world completely differently. I can even remember the first election

(26:33):
that I voted for was Bush versus Gore, and for
the first time, I used to be for abortion. For
the first time I heard Al Gore, you know, basically
stating that he was a proponent for abortion, and it
was the first time that it clicked in my mind,
I can't vote for this guy because what he's talking
about goes against biblical values and what I'm learning about

(26:55):
the Lord Jesus Christ. So yeah, definitely it us and
did play a severe role in I Think Who I
Am today?

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Can you come back for a second segment?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Sure, I'd love to.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
All right, very good, Stay tuned. Carl will be back.
We're going to take a break and we'll be right
back with you. Thanks so much.

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thanks again for being on the show.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
All right, thanks, Doc, appreciate being on the show.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Frankly, you often say the dependence on government is in
conflict with the dependence on God. I agree with you,
but can you explain what you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, I mean, listen, it's kind of you see it
played out sadly with the political parties today, even though
I vote. Even though I vote Republican, it's not because
I always agree with the Republicans. I just think they're
more closely aligned with my values. But God has given
every single one of us individual talents, and so it

(32:54):
is harder. Either the government is going to be in control,
I'll put it this way, or you're going to be
You're going to be in control. The government often dictates
the value of your life, even through taxation. I mean
you think about that. A lot of people look at
taxes as the small thing, and Frankly, I think that's huge.

(33:14):
God allows you to work, all right, So you work,
and you go out there and you toil to make money.
You can tie to your church or or do whatever
you want to do with your money. And the government says, hey,
I'm going to take a bit of your money. I'm
going to spend it unwisely. But when they're taking your
money from you, because that's the only way the federal
government has power, they're also taking your time time from you.

(33:37):
So you're kind of enslaved to. If you're a big
government person and you always have government remedies, I mean,
you're not setting anybody free. You're making them a slave.
You're making them a slave to government. I mean, I
frankly can't stand government. It's an indictment on our educational
system that we have so many people, frankly that vote

(34:00):
for the Democrat Party as it exists today, so many
people that are so dependent upon government and looks at
government as their savior. It's almost like they deified government.
I mean, you can see this with the climate change hysterics.
You can see this with a lot of the woke nonsense.
They've found a way to deify government where government controls

(34:24):
their lives and they really don't have the individualism that
God intended them to have. God looks at each and
every single one of us as an individual. Each and
every single one of us is going to be judged
by the Lord Jesus Christ on an individual basis. There
is no affirmative action plan in heaven. That is not
going to happen for you, all right. So it's a delusion.

(34:47):
Big government is a delusion. It's this, It's built upon
this premise that if you support big government policies, your kind.
And my argument is it's to complete and other oppice.
If you support big government policies, it's not because you're kind.
It's because you're selfish. Perhaps you're not as generous as

(35:09):
you should be without the help of government. It just
it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me. I just
don't think a lot of time. I don't think people
spend a lot of time thinking about what it means
to be an American, what it means to be free
from government big government power. And so it's one of
the things that I that I absolutely can't stand either

(35:32):
you're going to I think Dennis Prager, I forget how
he puts it exactly. The bigger, the bigger the government,
the smaller the individual. I'm paraphrasing, but it's something to
that effect. I mean, the bigger the government is, the
less important the individual is. And so that's just something
that I think people need to keep in mind when
they're trying to be generous. It's it always fascinates me

(35:54):
when people vote for Hey, let's help the homeless. Hey,
let's help this, let's help this. Well, how are you
gonna them ount Well, I'm going to vote for this.
You're going to vote for that instead of voting for this.
Why don't you empty your wallet? Why don't you go
spend some time helping out the homeless. Why don't you
do it on your own? And I think it's because
a lot of people deify big government.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, I mean it's similar. You know, we just talked
about the religious side, and if you go back in
history and you actually look at the teachings of the
early church fathers and biblical information that's contained in with it,
it kind of leads us to the way. But America
has is very similar. In fact, I think you know

(36:35):
it's George Washington said that we were providential in the
founding of this country. I mean that means providential, meaning
from the graces of God. He's the one that helped
found this country. There's no way in the world our
country could have as wonderful as it is created a
document without God's help, where all those people were able
to come together in just a few years after the

(36:57):
Revolutionary War, were able to come to an agreement on
a constitution and a bill of rights. And again, if
we took the time to go back and study American
history from the founding, we would understand that the the
those founding fathers talked about the things that we're dealing

(37:18):
with every day, and they gave us the footprint on
what not to do. That if you look at the
Federalist papers all the way to how the original formation
of this country had occurred, it was all about limited government.
It was all about family and the importance of family.
In fact, formation started in the home. Not only your

(37:42):
religious formation start in the home, but your first form
of government was in the home to help. That's where
you protect yourself. That's where you ensured that you instilled
in your children the right and honor and to understand
that the what is best in America now, we're not
without sin is a country because we've grown over time

(38:04):
through the sins of slavery and racism and all those
segregation and all those issues. But it's because of that
providence we have been allowed, like almost no other country
to actually change through the through the times and still
you know, the most important part is adhering to that

(38:24):
constitutional document, which we've gotten farther away from right.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah. I mean when you sit and think about it,
if you just think about it in a practical manner,
when it comes to our constitution, when it comes to
the Bill of Rights, we are the only country in
the world that literally has a repentance process via amendments. Okay,

(38:48):
we screwed up, we got this wrong. We're going to
write this evil. How do we do it? We do
it through an amendment process. No other nation has anything
like that. I mean, to live in the United States,
you literally what you see today with many people on
the woke left as I call it, as many others

(39:09):
do as well. You they literally have to invent grievances.
They literally have to go back in into America's history
without considering the context of all the world history, whether
it comes to slavery, racism, so on, et cetera. It
always it fascinates me, and I always think, you know, listen,

(39:30):
this is where this is where slavery ended. This constitution is.
It's just amazing when you I hate that. Frankly, even
the right, I think, allows the left to get away
with demonizing the founders. And in the context of history, yes,
there were there were flawed men just like you and

(39:51):
I are flawed, that were founders of the of the
United States of America. There were sinful men, there were
men that were just you know, there were diis, but
at least they recognize, I believe, divinely inspired, that they
needed to rely on a higher power, and that is God.
And many of them Christian. Many were not, but many
of them, most of them as a matter of fact,

(40:13):
were Christian and abolitionists as well. So when they formed
this constitution, you go back and you just read some
of the history, not just the Constitution, but just some
of the history behind it. I mean, it's insane. And
these guys were so incredibly young. It's just I don't

(40:36):
think that this country could be built again. I figure
the next best step is heaven. It's amazing.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Alexander Hamilton was in his twenties, you know, I mean,
but by the time he died, he may have been thirty.
I mean, you can check me if I'm wrong, but
it's something like that.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, it was insane. I don't remember the exactly Mber.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
And all of them were similar age. Know, John Adams
was older. Uh, but just about everybody else is in
their twenties and thirties and and uh, you know, leading
leading the charge there. So you know, those things are
It's amazing to me. How you how you see that?
And I you know, one thing I like to compare
is us against Canada. We really the same peoples formed

(41:23):
those two different countries. Really, I mean, yet you know
when you think about it and look at where Canada is,
and we are compared to our growth, our history, our capabilities,
our government. Uh, they didn't you know, they they didn't
have a constitution. They don't. If they do, it's loose leave.

(41:43):
They certainly didn't have a bill of rights. And especially
with COVID, we saw the them have going to lockdowns
like crazy. We saw banks, we got people, see we
saw people debanked because of political opinion.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
If if you don't think America is special, even with
some of our problems, just look to Canada and see
how much chaos. They have. Very few individual rights in
Canada when you think about it.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, I mean, and that's a that's an excellent point.
And I would argue even look at the UK today.
I mean I was, I was, I haven't read through
this story yet, but I've heard some of the headlines
about about some guy that had tweeted about trans issues
in the UK was arrested in the airport or something

(42:34):
like that. I mean, free speech and the blessings that
we have. It's it's amazing. I look at all these
people that talk about Trump as a dictator and Trump
is ending the First Amendment. I'm like, you know, it's
so naive. You don't realize how blessed you are. First off,
you wouldn't even be saying that if he was an
actual dictator or an authoritarian. So let's let's get some
thinking skills going here. But beyond that, it's I mean,

(42:57):
we are just so blessed. It it's almost like so
many Americans have to figure out ways because they feel
guilty for being so blessed. They have to figure out
ways to bring the country down to make themselves feel bad.
I mean, I say all the time, like I've even
heard Christians say it.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
You know, they may go on a missions trip and
oh man, I feel so guilty for being an American.
I'm like, I don't. I mean, I haven't gone on
a mission trip, but I'm not going to feel guilty
for being in a being. Now, let me say this.
I've donated it to mission trips. I just feel like
this the United States of America is my mission trip.
But I will say this, I wouldn't feel guilty. There's

(43:38):
a reason God has you where he has you, and
so if he has you where, if you're born an American,
you have a great responsibility to be able to spread freedom.
I mean, just look at it from a biblical perspective.
I remember asking God one time, you know, like, what's
the it's far as freedom, as far as you know,

(44:01):
as far as America. I mean, why why is this so?
Why is this so important? Why is the gospel so important? Why?
You know? I was listening to the ACLJ at the time.
I recall with j Seculo, and I remember God saying, listen,
you buy time. What you're doing here in the United
States is buying time. You guys. We're so free here

(44:22):
we can literally send money to help missionaries other nations
spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ where that can't happen
in other countries. We just don't realize how often how
good we have it, oftentimes being an American. So I'm like,
you know what, I don't feel guilty for being an
American whatsoever. It's a great responsibility to be an American

(44:44):
and not one that should be taken lightly.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Oh, I completely agree. You know, speaking of London or
Great Britain, the Metropolitan Police chief that's basically for the
Greater London area indicated that even Americans, if they post
something on social media about Britain and that's that's anti
whatever it may be, DEI that if they'll they keep

(45:07):
track of that, and I believe that they do, and
if you come to the United States they can they
will pull that out and potentially use it against you.
He actually said that is a warning to to people
about their language on on social media and those kinds
of things. Just absolutely shocking. Well when you think of it,

(45:30):
not didn't come from Russia, didn't come from China, came
from the UK Metropolitan Police chief. Uh, just goes to
show you.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
It's it's a scary. It's a scary thought.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Now.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I heard VP Van speak out about that just last week,
and I forget what the Trump administration is doing to
curtail kurtail that, but yeah, I mean that that is
just a chilling thought. These are people. This is Western civilization. Really,
I do believe that we're we're in a We're in

(46:06):
a time and place in history where I think God
is calling us to stand up and obviously be strong.
I don't know what it's gonna cost us, but I mean,
this is we have to stand up and be strong.
I don't even trust our NATAL allies.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
These are people, in my opinion, that sadly don't seem
to realize the importance of a freedom uh anymore. And
and so I mean, obviously we need them. But but
I gotta tell you, I'm a little iffy when it
comes to our NATO allies because they don't seem to
value Western values like that they used to. I mean,
and we can see that with the takeover of their

(46:44):
countries or some of their countries anyway by by Islamis,
and how they're just letting their their values fall by,
their Western values fall by the wayside.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
So let's talk a minute about government subsidies and welfare
programs in reality, in the long term, do they help
the community or do they harm the communities in the
long run.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Oh, here's I believe that. Listen, sometimes people need government assistance.
I understand that. I just don't think that you should
be you should be allowed to be on government welfare forever,
because I do believe that it hurts you in the
long run. I do believe there's legitimate people that need it.
I recall when we were younger, my dad got in

(47:30):
trouble a couple of times where he was having trouble
paying the bills and so on, etc. I remember him
sitting myself and my siblings down and saying, hey, listen,
I'm going through a rough patch. We're going to need
to get on welfare, and as soon as i'm done,
i'll let you know. When when things brighten up, i'll
let you know. And I remember my dad. This happened

(47:51):
twice when I was a kid. Both times, my dad
sat us down within a period of three or six months.
Somewhere within that timeframe, he said, Okay, we're good to go.
We're fine. We don't need this assistance anymore. We're going
to get off of it. I don't want to be
dependent on this stuff. And that was a conversation that
he had with us. And I look back on that

(48:12):
today and I'm like, man, I'm so thankful for that,
but I don't want anybody to be relying upon government welfare.
I mean, you just to look at the state of California.
I think California, if I'm not mistaken, literally the state
the state takes up. I think fifty percent of the
welfare population across the United States are close to it.

(48:36):
And I can recall visiting and frankly visiting some people
before that literally were on welfare that had no business
being on welfare. So I think, listen, the welfare system
needs to be monitored. There's people that should get it
if they need it, but there's many more. And I
would argue more people that don't need it they get

(48:57):
it than people that do need it they get and
perhaps some that need it that don't get it because
you have people that have no business getting government assistance.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, there are there's
legitimate reasons why people need it. I certainly understand that.
You know, there was a time where the church played
a greater role in those welfare capabilities to share their
own communities. But I get the fact that that's needed.
I had Woody Talcove, who's the CEO of Lexus Nexus, fascinating,

(49:29):
fascinating man. They spend a lot of time on fraud,
white collar fraud, all different fraud. I had him on
the show. We talked in depth about things like welfare fraud,
snap snap fraud that's occurred. I was astonished at the level.

(49:52):
You know, it's it's probably near fifty percent of welfare
that goes out is ended up being comes fraudulent. And
so there's got to be some barriers. There's got to
be some guardrails that are put up, and I think
if the Republicans, you know, to get that narrative to

(50:14):
make sure, they've got to really hit hard on the
fact this is about not limiting welfare, but it's getting
rid of crime and criminals again, because that touches people
so very well when they talk about the criminal intent.
And then it goes back to immigration, because we've seen
a lot of people who came into this country illegally
and under the Biden administration and many state governors who

(50:37):
are leftists are are propping them up and putting them
on welfare and they're going broke. California, as you just mentioned,
as one of those.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, and Frankly, listen, you want to get as many
people off of welfare that can that can get off
of welfare because it brings out the best in them.
I mean, it's really as simple as that. Honestly, if
it's fifty percent, I would think that number is low.
I can frankly tell you stories of when I was younger,
of so many girls that I knew that were playing

(51:07):
the welfare game. Just it was absolutely insane. It was
a complete and utter racket. I can remember going to
a child support office and literally listening to a mother
tell her pregnant, fourteen year old daughter as I was
overhearing the conversation of how to get child support, how
to do this, how to do that, how to get
assistance from this government program. I mean, this was a

(51:29):
mother teaching her fourteen year old daughter how to become
a slave to the slave to the federal government. I mean,
it's absolutely sickening, and it's a big and huge problem
out there. So you have people that have no business
getting on welfare, you have illegal aliens that have no
business getting welfare, and then you have a Democrat party

(51:49):
that wants to get so many people on welfare because
they want them. They want a perpetual underclass. And I
say it all the time, this is the same reason
they want a legal aliens to come into the country.
Democrats want perpetual underclass. They are not for your success.
Democrats are only successful when you're unsuccessful. I mean, look
at the pushback that President Trump is getting from some

(52:10):
of these Democratic mayors and governors with this false narrative.
All some of these red states they have higher crime rates.
Well you look at places like Memphis, Tennessee that basically
has the highest crime stats and all of Tennessee combined.
I mean, it's insane. This is what they do. It's
always democratically run cities within red states that have high

(52:31):
crime rates, and then it is the blue cities and
blue states that have high crime rates. And these people
are fighting tooth and nail against President Trump that wants
to calm down crime where everybody is safe, regardless of
your party affiliation, regardless of your ethnicity. The Democrat Party

(52:52):
is a dangerous party. Dangerous party, plain and simple. They
want welfare because they want a permanent under class. It's
not because they think you're it's not because they want
to help you out. It's because they want to empower
themselves and they want to make you a slave to Uncle.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Sam oh Man you are spot on, my friend. Great job.
I appreciate it. How can people follow your work, keep
up with you? See what's going on in the Carl
Jackson life.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
I appreciate that. Doc. Just go to the Karl Jacksons
Show dot com. You can find my podcast. You can
find me online ex Instagram, Facebook, at Carl Jackson Show
or at the Carl Jackson Show. You'll find me either way,
but any of those venues you'll find me.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
I highly recommending folks if you follow him. He is.
He does a great job. He has great shows, and
just even google Carl Jackson Show and you can come
up with all the different things that he's on. So, friends,
let's take a serious moment for a second. We've lost
fifty nine police officers in the line of duty, so

(54:00):
we asked for their prayers and Saint Michael to look
over them. My friends, this is doctor Curry Myers. You
can view all my published work on substack at doctor
Curry Myers dot substack dot com and join me on
x at doctor Curry Myers Carl Special. Thanks to you
again for coming on the show. Thank you and join
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(54:22):
Criminal Minds Tuesday. Stay safe and have a great week.

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