Americas_Criminologist_09_16_25_Guest_Det_Kevin_Cronister

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Brakina and here's America's criminologist, doctor Kerry Myers.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
All right, all right, all right, my friends, hope everybody's
doing well. This is America's Criminologist with doctor Curry Myers.
I'm a former sheriff, criminologist and a national voice on
crime and public safety, and I focused from from an
applied criminology point of view. My focus is on the
lack of faith, family, formation, and those are the three

(01:02):
most important pillars of society. It's the main causal reasons
for why we have crime. And you don't see that
a lot among other criminologists. They have a tendency to
focus on things that are peripheral. The root of it
is a lack of faith, family, and formation, and that's

(01:23):
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all doing well today. I want to dig into something
I've written about in my book, The Advent of fairal Man.
We're witnessing a dangerous evolution of the criminal arc type
in America. The data is undeniable. According to the United

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States Secret Services National Threat Assessment Center, ninety four percent
of mass shooters are male. The average age is just
fifteen to eighteen years old and is over eighty percent
of the cases. There are current or former students of
the school. Generally they target and here's the most chilling fact.

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Ninety one percent have clear observational, psychological, behavioral, and developmental
symptoms before the attack. It's called leakage. In many ways,
they're leaking their problems are issues. They do it on
social media, they may do it with others, but we're
missing it because we're not paying attention to those things. Depression, suicidality,

(03:11):
grievance motives all are on display and yet ignored. But
we're also seeing another troubling shift, the growth of politically
motivated violence on the far left. We've had a horrible
week last week with the assassination attempt of mister Kirk.

(03:32):
This includes a notable rise in younger white women engage
in street level of violence organized Antifa activity in what
some observers call trantifa, which is transgender identifying individuals who
adopt radical political violence as part of their identity expression.
These cases may not fit the traditional mass shooter profile,

(03:55):
but they point to the same breakdown of social guard rails,
where ideas ideology mixes with personal instability and grievances. At
the root of both trends are the same dark forces.
Many of these offenders demonstrate what psychologists call the dark
tetrad traits. This is about narcissism, it's about machiavellianism, it's

(04:18):
certain psychopathies, and it's about sadism. These traits don't appear
in a vacuum. They are, in fact, fueled by a
perfect storm of untreated mental illness, the social contagions of
online echo chambers, and the collapse of three anchors that
once held society to steady, which is faith, family, and formation,

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as I have made reference to it before. When those
anchors erode, we get feral men and now feral women, untethered,
radicalized and often violent, and they're in their own echo chambers.
And make no mistake, predators, whether school shooters, whether they're assassins,

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politically motivated, or online offenders, they thrive absolutely in that vacuum.
That's why today's conversation is so important, because when we
talk about things like child predators, for instance, especially in
the digital age, we're talking about another manifestation of feral
man exploiting a society that has left its moral guard

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rails behind. Mister producer, police play cut one.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
How about this hiding behind their faces behind mass and hoodies.
This flash mob of bike riding robbers caught on video
ransacking a Chevron food mark. And this is just the
latest in a series of similar incidents with dozens of people,
most of them miners, rushing into stores, stealing items and
then escaping before the police get there.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Kjela's Lindsay Panya is live outside that store in Lincoln
Heights with more Lindsay, Good Evening, Rick and Mary bout.
This Chevron is at the corner of Mission in Daily
Streets here in Lincoln Heights, and as you mentioned yesterday,
it was overrun by teenagers ransacking the store. I had
a chance to talk to the owner earlier and he
says he's fed up. Surveillance video from outside a Lincoln

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Heights Chevron store shows dozens of young people riding up
on bikes and scooters. Seconds later, they're then inside grabbing
everything inside.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
They just came in like you know, like it was
you know, Halloween Trigg or treating.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Justin Salib is the store owner and says he was
alerted by his alarm company and cashier about the brazen thefts.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Came in, they saw what they wanted, They grabbed whatever
they want and it wasn't just like grabbing one item
or two items, grabbing boxes.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Salib says the fifteen to twenty kids, who look to
be no older than fifteen or sixteen years old, took
large amounts of snacks and energy drinks and just left
when the cops showed up minutes later, they.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
Said, well, this is this is a shoplifting. We can't
do anything about it.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
Have a nice day.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
LAPD did confirm to KTLA they responded to the call
and that there were no reported injuries. Salib says he's
growing tired dealing with issues like this.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
So this example is from last week. This isn't from
four years ago, not three years ago, not two years
it's it's from last week. In Californians, in particular past
Proposition thirty six that was supposed to address these things.
But the governor's not laying those things out, not funding them,

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not providing information. So what are police departments like LA doing.
They're still telling their customers, which is the public, that
they can't do anything about it. My question is what
are these folks doing when they're not committing these kinds
of crime, Because they're going around and pack committing crimes

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in mass which is a new criminal archetype. What are
they doing when they're in smaller numbers. What are they
doing when they're by themselves caught into the dark web
accessing things on the dark Web? Are they using communication
devices like discord and others to be able to talk

(08:08):
back and forth, just like we saw with the assassin
of Charlie Kirk involved in these kinds of behavior and
it's organized. In fact, the FBI director today in a
meeting indicated that there potentially could be twenty or more
people that knew about this ahead of time. We don't
know yet, which means that there could be co conspirators

(08:33):
involved in this investigation. And that's why today's guest is
so important, because society erodes, predators exploit it, especially when
there's no focus to terrence out there, and one that
knows this battleground better than ever is our guest today.
Detective Kevin Cronister is one of the countries leading boots

(08:54):
on the ground experts in the war against online child predators.
With fifteen years of law enforce, he serves with the
Internet Crimes Against Children's Task Force in the Kansas City
Metropolitan Aary. He also is part of the Major Case Squad,
an officer involved critical incident team handling some of the
region's most complex cases. Academically, he also holds a master's

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in forensic psychology and is on track for his certified
Expert in cyber crime Investigation is credentialed in advanced forensic analysis,
celebrate and undercover online operations for the Department of Justice.
Put simply, when it comes to online predators, this is

(09:38):
the man you want in the fight and he's going
to help try to explain these criminal archetypes. Today in
our discussion, Kevin, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Hey, doctor Myers, thank you for having me. I'm excited
to be here.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, it's always a pleasure. And the reason I love
having you and having discussions with you is not only
are you educated on the issues, but you've had practical
years of practical experience that very few people are are
able to have, even law enforcement officers, and so you're
able to see these things and getting the information out

(10:12):
to the public is so important in your experiences. Are
you seeing offenders who fit this feral man profile that
I keep referring to and then I wrote my book.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
About Yeah, definitely. I think that you hit it right
on the head when you talk about the lack of faith,
the lack of family, and the lack of formation. What
I'm seeing is a lot of individuals who don't have
anything that are tethering them to society in a healthy way.

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And and Unfortunately, that manifests itself itself into you know,
extreme behaviors, and you you talked a lot, you know
a lot about different extreme behaviors, but you know, tackling
issues like legitimate adult pornography. You know, when you have,

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for example, softcore pornography was widespread and then people got
used to it, and then they wanted hardcore, right, and
then hardcore became widespread, and now people want more and
more and increasingly more violent and more sexually deviant type
pornography to include child sexual abuse material. And so I

(11:29):
think as society kind of devolves and people lose these
tethers to society that we've had in the past that
have that have tethered us in a healthy way to
the people around us. These guys live on the internet.
They live on the internet. Everything they do is on
the Internet. It's anonymous for the most part, and they

(11:53):
are constantly reaching for more and more deviant type material
to kind of fill that void. Because you would agree,
we all have this void and if you don't fill
it with good, it's gonna fill itself somehow.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Right, Well, we're all born with original sin. And it
goes to the importance that if you're not formed correctly.
If you're not grounded in faith, you're your parents, which
is the primary reason for it's not a church as
the primary reason for your faith life, it's your parents.
If you have formation, your parents are supposed to guide
you along the way, excuse me, and they're not able

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to do that, and as a result, we get this
almost conspicuous consumption of everything because there's no guardrails, there's
no guidelines, there's no boundaries that are set. It's just
constantly feeding, feeding, and feeding. And the question that I
think for me, it's do we understand I get Let

(12:54):
me rephrase it. How much do you think is mental
health the issue prior to the manifestation of these problems
or is it you get into these problems and the
problems that you're doing become the mental health issues that
only can you know, continue to foster the behavior. Or
maybe it's a combination of both. I don't know what

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are your thoughts, because you probably know because you're in
the field mental health issues. Everybody's got them, just about
if they're not grounded well enough.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
Yes, yeah, I would say it's option B. It's the
second one that you mentioned. I think a lot of
these guys stumble on child sexual abuse material as they're
slowly becoming more and more deviant, and then once they

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come across it, it peaks whatever interests right they that
they have. It peaks that interest and they start looking
at more and more of it, and then it becomes
an addiction, no different than alcoholism or drug use. And
so then it becomes an addiction. It becomes something that
they can't stop, which is why the recidivism rate is

(14:07):
so high for this crime, because I can arrest somebody
multiple times, but when they get back out, most of
the time they go right back to it again. And
so I think that it's a majority of my offenders
seem to be somewhat well adjusted prior to getting into

(14:33):
the dark parts of the Internet. So I think it's
I think it's the anonymity and the dark parts of
the Internet that are slowly creating this this mental health
epidemic by getting young men in a place where they

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live on the internet all day. They're not tethered to
friends or family. They they don't go out, they're not social,
and slowly it starts to kind of create this vacuum
where they live in in their own little cyber world,
and and then I think that's where the mental health
issues start to compound the problem. And then before too long,

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you know, you have situations where one of my most
recent offenders, we went, we executed a search warrant at
his apartment, seized a bunch of devices. He was one
of the one of the top downloaders of child sexual
abuse material in the entire state of Kansas, and when
I interviewed him, he said that he accidentally stumbled across

(15:41):
it one day and from there it was, it became,
it became an addiction. He ended up committing suicide recently.
And so you can see the escalation of the mental
health problems to the point where at some point along
that path they feel like they don't have a choice.

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It's either take their own life or live this incredibly
painful existence, which you and I both know is a
mental health issue. It's not it's not real, right, it's not.
There's always there's always hope. But these guys go down
this this dark path and it causes mental health issues.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well, and you see, you know, you always wonder whether
or not also that any kind of satanic activities are
occurring in them, or they get they kind of get
pushed to that dark side and are and whispers start
occurring because you know, I think the devil's alive and well,

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you know, and and prowls about the earth. And when
you open these windows, if you will, those windows can
open to Satan when he can walk in and not
it's at his choosing, not whenever you want. And the

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problem is he's going to run you ragged until it's
time for you to end it, and he's going to
encourage you to end it because he wants somebody to
be with him for the rest of his life. So
there is a connection here between that lack of faith
and understanding and the fact that there are this assassin

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that just killed Charlie Kirk as a perfect example that
came from what seemed to be a normal family, had
an SAT of perfect thirty six SAT, was going to
college basically for free because of the type of SAT
score that he had. Came from a very apparently devout

(17:46):
Mormon background. And it doesn't matter this Mormon, it could
be any religion, but it was devout, and he leaves
his family and all of a sudden gets introduced to
the wrong people involved in an observational learning gets into
these dark traits and before you know it, he's experience

(18:07):
in a homosexual relationship that becomes a transgender relationship. And
then it's even now some thoughts of even he was
considering transgendering himself, even though he hadn't done that yet,
but he was certainly had a boyfriend that was transgender,
and all this stuff just it's almost like it's following
the same model if you look at the school shooters

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now that you know. The other thing is these shooters
are getting a little bit older, especially related to these
sexual dysfunctions, and when it comes to gender identity, so
it's it's increased. When I say ninety four percent of
school shooters in particular male, then it used to be
ninety eight percent. The new three point five percent of

(18:51):
shooter categories is transgenders or people needed to some sort
of gender fluid identity issues. And people may say, well,
that's only three point five or four percent. Well, the
problem is I'm only talking since about twenty seventeen, so
the data is not you know, we're not going back

(19:12):
since time on this. That's a lot of people just
in a you know, less than a ten year, you know,
time period, So the other thing that I really need
your opinion, especially with your background and forensic psychology, is
this narcissism, this machiavelianism, this sadism, and certain psychopathies. I

(19:36):
prefer to think as psychopathy is like the the Seven
Deadly Sins on steroids. It's that over consumption of all
the seven Deadly sins. You may disagree, but that's an
easy way, I think for the public to understand what
it is. But are you seeing these dark tetrads when
you're investigating the cases or is that only a percentage?

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And again that's the narcissism, the machiavellianism, radhism, and that
psychopathy that's involved.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
Yeah, I noticed that in almost all of my offenders,
especially the ones that spend time on the deeper, darker
parts of the Internet, the places where you find the
sadistic child sexual abuse material, the stuff where they're intentionally

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inflicting pain. That kind of a thing I think of
the new group. We're calling it sadistic see Sam, but
it's it's the seven sixty four group where they're they're
reaching out to children and they're starting slow eventually trying
to get them to send inappropriate pictures, and then they
move on to getting them to harm themselves, and then

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eventually they encourage them to commit suicide.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
And so.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
I'm definitely seeing an uptick, especially in the sadistic realm,
the narcissism and the machiavelianism. Those have been present since
I started this. These guys, when they victimize a child,
they they are not looking at that child as a person.
It's a means to an end. And and so it's

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very obvious that they have narcissistic tendencies, and they truly
believe that that what they're doing is not wrong, most
of them. Sometimes you get the guy who knows that
what he's doing is wrong and he did it anyway
because it was an addiction.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
But it almost becomes like a sexual freedom argument.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Maybe yeah, and that's and you and you you hear
the argument from some people that are are are very
far left about well, we shouldn't call them pedophiles anymore,
we should call them maps minor attracted people, because it's
a sexual orientation, not a mental illness. And so there's
already a push to normalize it, the way we've normalized

(22:05):
or attempted to normalize transgenderism and the way we've attempted
to normalize any other sexual deviancy in America. When one
pops up, we normalize it, right, kids dressing up as
animals and identifying as that. We're normalizing these things. And
then when we do that, the next most extreme sexual

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deviancy says, well, you know, I'm no different than this guy,
and so I'm just I'm just a sexual orientation. I'm
not a mental health issue, right, And so you have
a push for that, and it's not super widespread, especially
when you're talking about pedophiles, but there is a push
to normalize that and to consider it more of a

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sexual orientation than any legal act and child abuse, which
is astonishing to me. But in my opinion, that comes
from what you're talking about. That comes from narcissism, and
it comes from sadism. It comes from this idea that
the whole world is just a means to an end

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for me to attain the pleasure that I want to attain.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, so perfect nihilism, Yeah yeah, yeah, wow. Yeah, it's
it's hard to sometimes it's hard to talk about just
because it's so bad. It's it's it's behavior that is
beyond it's the reason I say it's a change in

(23:36):
the criminal arch type because it's it's it's different from
criminal activity, far different twenty years ago. And you made
a great reference that the psychology side, the treatment side,
we become a society of treaters and not enablers. In fact,
you're correct because the DSM, which is really the playbook
to look at if you're in that profession, to look

(23:58):
up and see whether things are normal or at normal,
they basically have taken so many things that would considered
have BORRN sexual activity back when I studied it has
completely changed. They come out I think there. I think
I read under the DSM fours and maybe at six now,

(24:19):
but I'm not sure because I don't keep up with that.
But but you can't. There are there are numerous things
cited in the DSM that I studied, looked at in
college compared to the current DSM that aren't even on
the books, which means they aren't considered paraphilic behavior anymore.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Yeah, one percent, one hundred percent. And the again, the
problem with that is when you allow an inch, then
the next group, the next level of sexual deviancy, says okay,
well they they they gave up that inch, So now

(24:58):
then maybe they'll give another inch, right, and then you
normalize things that shouldn't be normalized. I mean, the reality
is is that transgenderism in general is such a serious
mental health issue in and of itself that I mean,

(25:21):
the chemicals alone caused such an imbalance, and it's just
we see it more and more that it's creating very emotional,
very violent, and very confused people. And when you put
those three things together, you get what we got on
September tenth, when Charlie kirk.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Wasshot in our public policy is allowed it, I mean,
we shifted our public policy to endorse and say it's okay.
It's this feelings based it's this feelings based approach is well,
if you're okay, I'm okay, so society should be okay
with what you're doing. And that's in no way in

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the world can our culture and our society and our
principles of Americanism, even from a United States point of view,
cannot live in a society that is that unfounded.

Speaker 6 (26:17):
No, it's when everything becomes subjective truth, then there is
no truth. And so and it creates what we're seeing,
which is this idea that anybody can be and do
whatever they want, and if you have an issue with it,
then you are somehow the problem by calling out negative behaviors, right,
and that's where that's where we get the the name

(26:40):
calling and the you know, the bigot and whatever X
y Z phobe and you know when you speak up
about those things.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So, yeah, we need to take a commercial break for
can you come back for second segment? Okay? Absolutely, all right,
So folks, we're going to take a break and we're
going to come back and continue our conversation with Kevin.

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the show America's Criminologist. I'm joined today by Detective Kevin Kronister,
one of the nation's top cyber crime investigators. As we
continue our discussion on this dark psychological traits, and we're
going to kind of segue into focusing a little bit
more on online child predators in the second face, mister producer,

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play cut too, please.

Speaker 11 (31:22):
When I've assessed children, adolescents and adults for psychopathy, there
are certain things I look for that suggest to me
the person is genuinely psychopathic, but I think could be
useful for people to know. The first one is that
they tend to be antisocial across a whole range of domains. Right,
They've cheated on romantic partners, they've cheated in professional settings,

(31:43):
or maybe in school or in a sports setting. Right,
it's not just one thing or one domains. You see
unethical and anti social behavior across domains.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
They tend to.

Speaker 11 (31:54):
Show signs they think they're better than other people. They
tend to believe that alms in the world are always
other people's faults. Other people are dumb, other people are ignorant,
other people are easily duped. I'm finally believing that everybody
else is just like them underneath. So if somebody seems
to believe that everybody is actually fundamentally selfish, if they

(32:17):
think that's true people in general, what they're really telling
you is what they're like.

Speaker 6 (32:24):
Guts incredibly spot on, especially with a small subset of
the predators that.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
I see.

Speaker 6 (32:38):
The idea that, well, everybody has some of these tendencies
and I just am brave enough to pursue them while
everybody else lives in fear of showing their real true colors. Right,
I see that sometimes with some of these predators. I
did an interview recently, and one of the interview techniques

(33:02):
I like to use without giving away too much, is
I will just agree with them occasionally to see how
they react. And one of the interviews I did recently.
We talked about this young girl. She was thirteen, I think,

(33:22):
and he had been pursuing her on a chat messaging
app called meet me, which I think is now defunct
because it had so many issues with child predators, and
he approached her. Long story short, he ended up going
and picking her up, bringing her back to his home,

(33:44):
traveled across the state to get her, et cetera. It
became a trafficking rape situation. Anyway, when I was interviewing him,
one of the things that I said, and then I
just let him talk, was yeah, man, you know, I
don't think you're a monster. I just think you made
a silly mistake. And then I don't talk anymore. And

(34:07):
just that little bit of oh so you do agree
with me. From that, they'll they'll talk about anything. I mean,
he admitted to everything, because all I had to do
was give him a little bit of rope and say like, hey, man,
I agree with you. She was dressed a little bit
older than she actually is is she probably shouldn't been

(34:29):
dressed that way. And then I shut up, and man,
you would be surprised the narcissism and the psychopathy that
shows itself because once they think that they have you
and they think that you agree with him about something,
they think they can do no wrong, and they'll tell
you about everything.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
They think they got a buddy when they can, and it's.

Speaker 6 (34:50):
Kind of a it's an incredible phenomenon. Actually, yeah, they kind.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Of forget where they're at, yeah, and starts. I think
it's a great investigatory tool I use. There's two things
that law enforcement officers need to pay attention to. Number
one is that we don't listen enough, especially in our interviews.
There's too many distractions. You try to do often things

(35:14):
by yourself when you need somebody to It's different now
because in the old days we had to take notes
because technology wasn't as there as now. You know, now
we have body cameras and things that can automatically print
out the entire conversation. You don't have to read notes
as much. But if we're not paying attention to the

(35:35):
person and we're not looking at not only what they say,
but how they say it, and and their and their
body movements and things like that, you're going to miss
out on a lot of information. And then the other
one is you have to you have to put yourself. Unfortunately,
you have to put yourself as one of them sometimes
to be able to get that information. And then, as

(35:56):
I tell my students and then shut up and listen, Yeah,
interrupt them. Don't interrupt them while they're while they're you know,
giving those frameworks, and be specific, always be general, you know,
and fill the gaps.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
So, yeah, I have to I have to issue a clarification.
It is not meet me, it is omegle, So meet me,
do not sue me. I am clarifying that it was
not you guys that had issues with child predators. Yeah,
so I apologize. I got the app wrong, but I
see so many of them sometimes they get confused in
my head. So and so folks go to meet me

(36:32):
it's perfectly great, and yes it's a great app. I apologize. Actually,
I mean I have I have a lot of meet
me cases too, so let's you know, you know, but
they are everybody. Yeah, you know what, that's an interesting point.
It doesn't matter what the social media application is. I mean,
these guys figure out a way to abuse any forum

(36:53):
that they're able to talk, you know. So it and
I think that there's there's there's some social media companies
that work hard it and there's some that don't. But
the reality is is you're never gonna I mean, you're
never going to stop at all.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
So it's, uh, it's difficult to regulate is because the
only people that pay attention to the laws and regulations
are are honest and law abiding citizens. It's why gun
regulations and gun laws don't work is because we're the
only ones paying attention to them and nobody else is.
It's the same way with just about a lot of

(37:27):
other things. So you know that that psychologists kind of
got into that psychopathy that's there, but but there's other
ones too that I just want to ask your opinion
if you're kind of seeing these manifest manifestations too. So
if we look at the seven of these sins, we
see pride, and we see that uh, and you've already
indicated that you're they they seem proud of their work,

(37:52):
especially not if they're just doing downloads, but but in
the crew, somebody is creating these as well. Right, So
if you've got a if you're involved in an investigation
where they're a creator of I don't know if you
if you have or not, but if you get creator,
are they proud of their work into the and does
that leak each come out somewhere evidentially.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
Yeah, I think that they're proud in the sense that
within the pedophile community they are seen as elevated somehow,
right because man, this guy is living our dream like
he is. He is with all these children, and he's
making all this content and this that you know, and

(38:37):
so they're proud in that sense. Once it's exposed, I
think they're still proud. But they because psychopaths, they may
not know necessarily how to feel specific They don't feel
specific emotions, but they know what's expected of a human

(38:57):
being in their specific situation.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Right.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
They know, oh, I've been caught. I'm supposed to feel shame,
even though I don't. So then they act somewhat shameful
when they're arrested or something like that. So it's almost
like an outward they look or they act somewhat shameful.
But on the inside, I do think that they're proud
of what they're doing, and you can tell that from

(39:22):
the forums that they belong to, in the groups that
they belong to. When these guys have conversations, it is
one long, bragging chain of messages. I mean everybody's like, oh, yeah,
well this one time I was with a thirteen year
old and we did X, Y and Z. What No way, man,
that's awesome. It reminds me of a high school locker room,

(39:44):
but much much, much darker, right, And so, yeah, it's
definitely a situation where they're proud, but they know they're
not supposed to be proud by typical uh, societal mores

(40:05):
or societal you know morals.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
So and they're and they're certainly involved in gluttony because
it's over indulgence and in that conspicious consumption and that
opposite you know, no temperance whatsoever. And then I'm going
to make an assumption here you know better than I,
So I'm seeking your opinion here is how about sloth?
You know that that are you seeing people just hanging

(40:29):
out in their basements or really that's they may they
may be busy doing this kind of work, but it's
lovenly behavior where they're just they don't do anything else.
So they get so self absorbed in this that they
don't end up working, or they're or there, or they're
tardy and other things or have you found those kinds.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
Of Yeah, it's a it's a rare case where we
execute a search warrant on somebody's house and it's clean
and well kept and the animals are well taken care of,
and they have a full time job that they are
proud of, and they show up to ninety percent. I

(41:10):
would say, when we show up, it is I mean,
walking into that house, you just it's disgusting. There's animal
and cat dog feces and urine everywhere, there's stuff piled up.
It looks kind of like a hoarder type of situation.
And even their personal hygiene, it just looks like they're

(41:31):
not taking care of themselves. And so it's I mean,
and obviously there's no there's no prototype or no profile
of a sex offender or especially a pedophile. You'll find
them everywhere, but based on the years that I've done
this job, a large majority of them definitely exhibit some

(41:54):
kind of sloth, whether that's they don't clean up, or
they don't shower very often, or they go to work
and just collect a paycheck and come home and watch
child porn all night long. I mean, that's that's really
what we're you know what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, So when they're when they're not watching the child porn.
They're they're they're they're probably gaming, of course, and then
then there's this evolution of the gaming and child porn together,
and that brings up the next thing, which is really
important for our listeners and viewers to understand, is what's

(42:34):
what's the weak link here in the grooming of children
and what kind of things are out there now? I
don't you know, if you don't want to divulge some
from investigatory reason, what's the things out there today that
are like the top five or ten issues that you're seeing.
That's that's that's involved in the grooming process.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
So the the biggest change that I've seen over the
last five years is the grooming process is moving from
messaging apps and from you know, the telegrams and the
Facebook messengers and the instagrams to multi massive multi player

(43:21):
online games. So think Fortnite or Roadblocks or those kinds
of games. Predators are now playing those games in order
to meet children, and they initiate the grooming process via
chat on those games. And there has been a huge

(43:43):
uptick in that because number one, a lot of the
multiplayer online games, the chatting is verbal, so there's not
a record of what they're saying. Parents just assume. I

(44:03):
mean my generation, we didn't have online games where you
could hop on and play with other people until I
was in college, you know, or maybe laid high school
or whatever. But so now you get on these games
and you're matched with people from all over the world,
and they're just dropped. They're all dropped into the same server,

(44:25):
and you can chat with them, and you can talk
with them. And so these guys are initiating the grooming
process on a video game, and it works in their
favor in an incredible way because the child is having fun,
they're focused on the game, and so they have the
ability to knock off several steps of the grooming process

(44:49):
very quickly, which is just to introduce themselves and start
to develop a friendship. Then they want to try to
isolate the child from the people in their lives, right,
which is very easy to do with gaming, because children

(45:10):
become addicted to gaming. And so when you know a
child is playing a game at a certain time every day,
and you hop on every day, it's easy to start
to expand the amount of time that the child's playing
the game.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Right.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
Hey, I know you don't usually play at three o'clock.
But I'm gonna be on. You should hop on that
kind of a thing. And so they're able to get
to know the child, create some type of a relationship
in game, right, because if I'm getting ready to die,
if bad guys getting ready to kill me in game,
and you swoop in and you're the hero, we're going
to be friends, right. I don't care what age you are,

(45:46):
hey man, thanks a lot, you know. And so they
use it to their advantage, and then they start to
isolate the child. They'll do things like send them in
game currency or in game items right as a gift.
You know, hey man, I really enjoy playing with you.
Here's some some roebucks, which is the roadblocks in game currency.

(46:06):
And so they start to create kind of a sense
of expectation, right, like, hey, I gave you those roebucks.
So and then eventually they drop the hammer and they're like, hey,
I'd really like to talk to you some more on
X platform discord or you know, over over his cell phone.

(46:29):
I even had a guy who exchanged email addresses and
was communicating with the thirteen year old girl via her
school district email.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
And so the grooming process what normally takes months in
person or even on old messaging platforms, they're able to
do it in days or weeks over these massive multiplayer
online role playing games. And so that's that's the newest challenge,
is how do we gather evidence from those types of

(47:03):
situations and roadblocks and Fortnite and a lot of those
gaming companies, they they don't save a whole lot of
data because their platform wasn't meant to store that data, right,
you know, the the their platform wasn't meant to store

(47:24):
the audio of every conversation that everybody has while they're
playing Call of Duty, So it becomes incredibly difficult. So
that's that's one thing I would tell parents is just
because your kids aren't chatting on their phone doesn't mean
that they're not chatting with somebody they shouldn't be. And
if they play a lot of games, you need to
you need to check who their friends are and they're

(47:44):
in game friends, and you know what they're what they're doing.
There's a way you can turn chat off on a
lot of these games. And if my kids play these games,
the chat is off, they're not allowed to talk to anybody,
or join anybody or be friends with anybody unless they
know them in real life, and I've already approved of them.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, well that's good because that's the kind of stuff
parents need out there. So, mister producer, can you play
cut three please?

Speaker 6 (48:11):
I have close to two thousand cyber tips sitting in
my queue on the KAC database alone. My agency has
two detectives assigned to those two thousand cyber tips. Now,
for every cyber tip that I open a case on
and I do search warrants and subpoenas, et cetera, you're
talking months worth of work. So if I take ten

(48:33):
tips at a time and open ten cases and work
all ten of those cases, like I should, you know,
thoroughly and efficiently. By the time I wrap those ten
cases up and put handcuffs on somebody, I have fifty
more tips that came in or more that came into
the database. So we're not even making it then.

Speaker 12 (48:51):
It's awful, dude, And I have asked over and over
and over again, like, hey, I need five more detectives
back here, like we need to be making this a priority.
And dude, I just can't get any traction.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
I can't get any support, I can't get any resources
It's almost like if they don't acknowledge it's a problem,
they don't have to admit that they've been finn up
and not addressing the problem.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
You know, law enforcement is already overwhelmed. They don't have
enough staffing. In many ways, we are not doing a
good When I say we, I mean law enforcement, especially executives,
need to slow down and pause because what we did ten, fifteen,
twenty years ago is out the door. It's a completely

(49:37):
different world. We are now having to deal with crime.
Just like the FBI has to deal with crime. A
local department has transnational crime they have to investigate. They
have cyber crime that they have to investigate. They have
the new criminal arc type that they have to investigate.
They can't rely on putting these things off on de

(50:01):
It'd be nice if we could, but we can't because
we're living in a different world, not to mention the
mental health crisis and everything else that's going on. So
how do we recognize these issues? How do we get
the world at the word out and end up supporting
our departments to say we support you, we acknowledge what

(50:23):
you do, and we know you need help, but this
is not enough. What we have to do is not
rely on eighty percent of our funding for manpower and benefits.
We have to now we got to reduce that to
be in less than half of the budget's department of departments,
and more money's got to go towards fighting crime, which

(50:46):
means you need more money that comes into the hopper.
But Kevin, it goes back to core government organizations are
not being funded. We're spending billions of dollars on non
core government services, and we've taken our eye off the
ball and now everybody's eating a big you know what

(51:07):
sandwich is a result because we're not able to protect
the people. What do we do now? What's what you
know in the perfect world? What do we do to
actually fix this? How do we change what we're doing?

Speaker 6 (51:22):
So I can only speak, you know, from the crimes
against children realm, but I can tell you that we
have as law enforcement as a whole has completely failed
our communities when it comes to crimes against children. To
have such a large county with so many cyber tips

(51:46):
and to only have two detectives assigned to investigate them is.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Unreal.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
And obviously I'm not going to name names of counties
and areas but but to to have such a big
problem and to not address it with additional resources is
a failure. And you can use lots of excuses, right,
You can say, well, the budget was bad this year,
welhah blah blah blah. But like you said, where is

(52:14):
the money going, because surely we can claw back funds
from some other type of program that probably is not
as important as protecting our children. And the way that
I have decided that I have to approach this because
I'm not going to get the resources I've I've come

(52:37):
to terms with that is I have to approach it
on the front end. I co founded a nonprofit designed
aimed at educating children, teachers, and parents about all of
this stuff in hopes that by being proactive and tackling
it on the front end, I will see fewer siteber

(53:00):
tips and I'll be able to counteract it that way. Right,
if teachers are aware, parents are aware, and children are aware,
we're going to see fewer issues, fewer cyber tips, and
then the lack of resources is not going to be
as bad. Right, And so that that's the solution that
I came up with, was that I have to attack

(53:23):
this outside of the law enforcement realm. I have to
attack it through education on the front end.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, and you have a podcast as well that you
do with young Lady right.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
That's yes, Yes, it's called the screen Guardians Podcast. It's
on Apple and several other platforms any of the major
platforms will have at YouTube. It's on YouTube, but it's
the screen Guardians Podcast, and I do it with Katie
Kincaid Longhouser. And then the nonprofit that I co founded

(53:56):
I also co founded with Katie and we it's the
Screen Guardians Foundation, and we've created an educational curriculum that
we're attempting to get schools to buy into that will hopefully,
you know, be that front end education that we need.
And then we have a website kids Digital HealthHub dot

(54:18):
com where you can find a lot of resources and
get a newsletter that rolls out about the latest trends
and stuff in cybercrime.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
So very good. I'd like to have you back and
maybe have Katie with you. Absolutely all three of us
jump on and talk about the things in the further.
Kevin Man, you're doing incredible work. Thanks so much. It's
especially in stay safe and keep your faith up because
you're you're looking into dark and dangerous things, and so

(54:47):
we pray for your your safety and security. And you've
opened the door for a lot of us to be
able to understand these things. More so we appreciate you
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