America's Criminologist 11 18 25 Guest Jack McFarland DEA

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Shadows, secrets, doctors escape mal Scraminologist.

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Sees a law elosy, crime break and say brutal.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
And here's America's Criminologists, Doctor Kerry Myers. All right, all right,
all right, I hope everybody's doing well. Welcome to America's Criminologist,
the voice for truth, reason, law and order, Doctor Curry Myers,
former sheriff, state trooper, special agent, professor, applied Criminologists. We're
going to guide you through the criminal justice landscape every week.

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As you know, we bring you straight talk from the
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get access to everything. That I write. Here's my riff
for the day. When coach John Beam was gunned down

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on the campus of Laney College, Oakland, California just didn't
lose a coach, They lost an institution. Beam spent decades
shaping young men, redirecting broken lives, and holding together a
community that California's policymakers long ago. The twenty seven year
old alleged murderer was arrested by the Oakland Police Department.

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The suspect had no legitimate connection to Laney College. He
wasn't a student or an employee, but he was known
to constantly loiter around campus. Well. In other words, folks,
that means criminal transient. This murder reflects a growing pattern
across California, random individuals with unstable backgrounds drifting unpredictably through

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public spaces because the state refuses to enforce basic public
order laws or intervene in untreated mental illness or drug dependency.
Coach Beam lived a life of service. His death is
a verdict on not one man, but on a system
that has abandoned basic safeguards, rational enforce enforcement, and compassionate intervention.

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California's refusal to confront its vagrancy and mental healthis is
no longer merely irresponsible. Quite frankly, it's dangerous. The state
must decide whether it wants to continue defending ideology or
protecting its people. Coach Boom deserve better, So do the
rest of us. Some states, some studies, excuse me, have
suggested that almost ninety percent of the homeless crisis in

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California is drug dependency and or untreated mental health, usually
a result of both. My friends, it's hard to overstate
just how complex and brutal the global drug war has become.
We started decades ago as a national enforcement priority, and
it's turned into a battlefield that crosses borders, underminds, governments,

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arose the very fabric of our communities. We're not just
talking about street level dealers and junkies. We're talking about
transnational cartels, sophisticated trafficking networks, and a synthetic drug trade
that weaponized chemistry to devastate lives with things like fitanol, xylazine,
meth and other poisons. But amid the chaos, there are

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men and women every day who stand between order and anarchy.
Special agents who wake up every day willing to risk
it all for the mission. These aren't bureaucrats pushing paper.
They're warriors and suits, sometimes in genes, operating in the shadows,
navigating red tape politics in very real, dangerous situation. Today's guest,

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Jack McFarlane, spent over three decades during just that, whether
they're working undercover in the city of brotherly love, beautiful Philadelphia,
training future agents at Quantico, or running counter.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Oh Jesus, I lost them. Oh shit?

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Are you okay?

Speaker 5 (04:50):
I'm good. I'm good. Ok, You're good. I'm good.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
We're at a pivotal moment in history, with domestic policy
and flux and open border and an increasing and bold
and criminal un world that needs for clarity, courage, and
competence has never been greater. Jack's story gives us a rare,
unfiltered look into the world of federal law enforcement. So
buckle up. This isn't just another episode. It's a masterclass
and what real law enforcement looks like when duty meets discipline.

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Jack McFarlane started as a high school teacher and coach,
then made the leap in one of the most dangerous
and demanding careers out there as a special agent with
DEA from Allentown to the Caribbean, from training new agents
a Quantico to top level operations at DA headquarters. His
three to two year career tells a story of service,
survival and strength. Jack, my friend, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Thank you very much for having me. You know, I
don't know what to call you from your back on
his amazing sheriff doctor, I don't know what to call you,
So what should I call you?

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I've been called every name in the book, so you
just call me curryge, call me Curry. Thanks. All those
titles and ten bucks can buy you a cup of
car go.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
I love it though. Congratulates on your careers, my brother, congratulations,
my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Had I had the luxury and it was a truly
a luxury. I was assigned to DEA task force for
five years myself. When I was a KBI Kansas Beer
of Investigation Special Agent. I was stationed in Kansas City.
It had just gone from a rack office, a resident
and charge office for those that don't understand that, to
an ASAC office Assistant special Agent charge office. So it

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grew a little bit during that time period that I
was out there, and they trusted me enough to help
start a post of duty in the middle of Kansas. Uh,
and represent DEA for the for those five years. And
I absolutely loved everything I wasn't I didn't necessarily love
the shootout that I was in in the nineteen ninety
three federal building shootout and bombing incident, but those things happen.

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So but appreciate you coming on the show and speaking
us to today especially.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Thanks so much, Thank you for having me appreciate yep.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
So you started out as a coach. Now now knowing you,
I see you as a coach. I can see that,
all right, all right, I can I can see where
you're a motiva which sport?

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Which sport?

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Probably football, So I can see you know, back in
the day, you probably had those those shorts that all
the coaches.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Were during you know, yes.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, absolutely and uh. And we're motivating people, you know,
I think, especially us in law enforcement. Most of us
are former athletes. Many of us are so we have
a great love for for coaching. And surprisingly there's a
quite a few number of people who did have a
career in academics, teaching, and and coaching that did go

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into law enforcement later. I think there's some connections there.
At least I've known quite a few, But what inspired
you to leave, you know, education, because I'm sure you're
started out that career and you thought, yeah, perhaps I'm
going to you know, do twenty five years teaching and
coaching football, but you decided to pursue a career in
federal law enforcement, and in particular DEA.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Great question, there's a there's a there's a short side
to it, and alongside throw I'll try to go in
the middle with it basically followers a football, high school teacher,
football coach. So I got into the mix of it,
and after about seven several years of it, about I'm
about my third year into doing it, buddy mine got
me interested in applying to the f behind the DEA.
So I ended up applying to both, and I ended

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up applying with the both agencies. And it was kind
of in a way that there was really no calling.
People say, oh I was I was called to it.
I really wanted to do this as I was a
child or no, not really. I just kind of put
in for it and I was able. I was fortunate.
I was very lucky with my background and back then
educators were you know, so so about getting hired as

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law law enforcement because because of they wanted the local
County of state officials, or they wanted the military personnel
to come in. So when I got hired on, I
was like excited to come on with DEA and I
got the opportunity. What I FBI, we f the f
I would have came a calling, sure, but the DEA
came calling first. And after thirty two years of service,

(09:06):
never looked back. Curry never looked back into your viewers.
I mean, DEA is just such an elite agency. It's
just a it's a rough and tough kind of agency,
both guys and gals, and I mean that in a
good way. We do we do the mission's day in
and day out. So it kind of pulled me in
that direction a little influence of my one buddy, and
I saw it as something that I wanted to give

(09:27):
it a shot. And once I started getting involved with it,
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed I was out on and
trust me, I was only twenty three years old at
the time when I applied in eighty seven, So when
I came on board, it was I was a young dude. Man,
I was a young guy.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, So we're we're operating about the same
time and space in the world. And I started out
in eighty five as a state trooper and then went
to KBI in ninety and that's I started the DEA assignment.
So we're eating some of the same dirt. Least comes
the type of crimes out there.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Absolutely, absolutely we.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Were hit by in the Midwest, we were hit by
meth amphetamine. Just it tore USTs up, especially when the
Nazi cook became so prevalent and you can't hit a
you know, a truck in Kansas without a nan hydrous
ammonia tank you know, close by, and that was one
of the main reagents in the in the cooking process.
So we just were were overcome with with methand fetamine.

(10:21):
What you know in Philly back in those days, what
was the primary drug that you were running into.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Oh, brothers, is gonna knock your socks off. Crack cocaine, Man,
here we go. Crack cocaine. That was our thing in Philadelphia.
When I got out of Quantico and I successfully completed Quantica,
I went back to the Allentown residents a small office
like a reson agent in charge obviously rack office for
your listeners, and I spent about a year there, and
we were doing a lot of support missions with the
other alphabets up there FBI, and we moved. We're helping

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with the ATF and also at the Petsvania State Police
a lot in the local Allentown, Bethlehem Eastern Police departments.
So now I had to go.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
My office of assignment was down to Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
So in Philadelphia such a large operation the divisional office.
And when I got down to Philly, I was assigned
to Group three. What's Group three? Well, in Philly there
was about nine enforcement groups, and these enforcement groups I
didn't work from, like you know, ten to twelve to
fourteen weapon carriers in it. So I was going to
Group three and Group three mainly function focus excuse me,
on coke, crack and grass investigations. I take my hat

(11:21):
off to you doing that. I planned lab met denfetamine.
That was our group one doing it. And to this day,
believe it or not, I'll get out I'm tangenting about that.
Some of our guys that I worked with have passed
away because of illnesses, because of illnesses cancerrated like the
illness is because you know, back in the eighties and
early nineties, there was an odd lot, a lot of
respiration and I was not there. But anyway, getting back

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to my angle, we worked the crack cocaine and marijuana
cases and crack was just out of control. It we
really really because it was it was cheap, it was
a it was a it was a drug that was
so easily made and it was also basically easy to eat,
easy to sling it, or is.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
It to distribute?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
It distributed throughout the defendan city of Philadelphia, especially if
those are listening to No Philadelphia, North Philly and somewhat
of West Philadelphia and so where we spent a lot
of time and people say, well, da, don't you go
up to the big investigations, Well, you have to start somewhere.
So we would start on the little operations, knock them down,
a little investigations. Before you know it, you're moving on

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to the middle level, multi state level, international level. So
that was our big thing for our group group three.
And we had a bunch of really really sharp individuals
and Group three, including my senior partner and of course
also my group supervisor, Rick Rick was a former Boston
guy and he was a no nonsense guy and let
the leash off us and we went to work.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
We really want to.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Work on it. Now, when you were a coach, where
were you living?

Speaker 5 (12:48):
I born and raised up near Allentown, Pennsylvania, north of Allentown, Pennsylvania.
That's why I went to Allentown for my first office
of assignment because I was hired out of Allentown. I
hired through the Allentown office. So as a co regents
caller baby, you know blue call after site coal, hardcore
hard coal. Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Football is king up there.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Uh. Education, great education in Pennsylvania. They don't don't skimp
on education in the state of Pennsylvania. Uh per student,
they really don't.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
It's teaching wise, I always tell I always tell people
teaching was a learning experience, not an earning experience. You're
not going to make a lot of money teaching, You're
really not. It's fulfillment of what you want to do,
touching the hearts and the minds of students and student athletes.
I mean, everyone thinks I was a pe teacher, physic teacher.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
I said to some of other my other podcasts, I
was a business education teacher. I got accounting block, consumer mathematics.
You know how to write the check book kind of
do you know, deposit things and banks and so the
students and I get all the either the athletes or
I call them no disrespect, the army jacket kids, the
tough kid, the tough guys in this goal. You want
if anything I want to done is for calling ned

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to take care of that. I'm like, no, don't, don't
stay away, don't touch them, don't touch them, don't don't
go near them, you know, because all the other ones
went to the the advanced courses or whatever. I was
with that, but my classes were always failed, they were
always filled.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
So yeah, yeah, that's awesome. No teachers have it. I
look back on my life. Teachers had a major impact,
but in particular the coaches and all the coaches had
taught as well and taught you know, they all weren't
pe teachers too. They taught different entire languages. But uh,
and we had we had some good athletic programs where
I happened to go to high school, so we were

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successful on top of it, which all you know, that
kind of breeds itself to even more of a relationship
that you that you have with your coaches. So that's
certainly the case. So yeah, we we were experienced the
crack cocaine. It certainly was occurring as well eighty five
to ninety while I was a trooper, and especially that's
where we were having it in the Kansas City, and

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it never did kind of go away. But all of
a sudden, when meth went from UH the you know,
first the P two P and then when it started
going into the UH again into the Nazi cooks, uh,
that's when it just you know, basically all heck broke
loose and we ended up working as a as a state.
We had about two thousand labs a year wow, and

(15:08):
we had to get federal help in order to stand
up a clandestine lab team.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
And I was that.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
I was the agent in charge of that, and I
was the agent manager a charge of that program. And
I had to you know, of course, went to the
DEA School and the DEA Advanced School, and then I
went to EPA school because you got certified and all
that kind of stuff. And we basically we turned into firefighters,
you know, which isn't our job. I mean, that's not
you know, we're just all of a sudden responding to

(15:35):
meth labs and work in the crime scenes and you know,
which makes it hard because it makes it hard to
investigate things fully because you're so focused on the health
and safety side of it, so not necessarily base. And
you mentioned in illnesses. We had some people injured, we
seriously injured, had to take medical retirements because they were
exposed anhydrous ammonia or chemicals. And I myself, I had

(15:59):
a experience where my thyroid basically is non functioning now
as a result of you know, and it's not that
you weren't wearing equipment. We were at first. We weren't,
but we were able to get good equipment. But you
I mean, you could walk in and do a drug
warrant on anything, a murder case all of a sudden,
the drug labs downstairs, in the basement or in your

(16:22):
garage or whatever it may be. So yeah, it's all
over the place. So now you had can you share
a little bit about the shooting incidents sure that were
that were there in that undercover kind of rip off,
because this is the time really when you first came on,
right between that, yeah, Valentine and Philly experience, I was.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
I was, I was a young agent and I was
learning my way around because back in the day. You know,
when you're an FNG freaking new guy, freaking new girl.
Excuse my mouth, but say the other word, uh that
you have to be trusted. They have to trust you.
The older guys in this rush you re member, I
was working with Vietnam era personnel. Are some old timers,
man and B and D D D, cat grew Norcocks,

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some dangerous drug guys.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
They didn't take they didn't take it lightly.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
I mean I had one fella, we didn't talk to
me for like two months, and I was in the
same group of them like two months, and I'm like going,
what do I do? Some run to this guy and
I'm like a young guy, so myself, what do I
get myself into here?

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yo?

Speaker 5 (17:16):
No, I'm not worthy. So I mean, you know what.
There were several shootings in early parts of my career.
One in eighty nine one to ninety one. Also about
ninety two, I was I'll tell you an undercover story
where I got I got taken, I got ripped off.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
And there was another story.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
We disarmed this guy with this maniac with a freaking knife,
and our boss was matters because we didn't shoot and
kill the guy. You know, So we should have, but
we didn't because we were in a crossfar we don't
want to you know, fire around down range. But the
first particular one was, uh was undercover State trooper purchase
and the undercover of basement did I'll cut to the
chase because I don't want to get too lengthy on
it is that he turns, he goes from arrest, he

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goes from undercover trooper to a arresting trooper. Well, right away,
you're you're just thinking in your head, are you out
of your mind for doing that? Boot? It's exactly now
we got a problem, right, So the bad guy ends
up pulling away and the trooper is hanging on the
side of the car. Trooper lets a round go and
it was and it was DIY blows him up with
his forty five caliber and it was left eye. Well,
meaning I'm I'm parked with another trooper. So we come in,

(18:14):
we're head to head nose. The nose is the bad guy.
So as we come flying in, this is an older guy,
an older trooper, and I'm a young you know, a
couple of months out of the academy agent personnel. So
we come those and ose and we were in a
Monte Carlo. So the utility vehicle, we got it stopped,
so all of a sudden, I'm trying to be Joe
cool Miami Vice. Now you and your listeners, and I'm

(18:36):
sure you do nineteen eighty five Monte Carlo. You know
big those doors? Are those doors? Right? Oh? Yeah? I
go right. I kicked the dot. I kicked the door, Curry,
and that door hit me and knocked me back into
the front seat of the car.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
The trooper starts killing me.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
What are you doing? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Man?

Speaker 5 (18:50):
I'm like, we gotta go rich this guy.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I'm like, I know the door. He goes, come on.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
So he wasn't so upset about that particularly, and so
we got We walked up and got it to the car, cleared,
the car cleared him, and he was shot, uh left
eye closest lake to the doors, left eye, and the
trooper was fine.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Trooper was fine. That was an interesting undercover operation.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
But once again we have to learn, we have to train,
and I think that particular individual we became friends. Myself,
the undercover trooper became buddies and he knew that he
felt that he didn't How can I say this did
the right thing? He did not do the right thing.
He knew that, and because he felt that we were
not coming in fast enough to arrest the bad guy,

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cut the chase the right cut to the chase. Okay,
so we come up and we affect the arrest. And
the funny part of that story was when that door
and the boy was I embarrassed? But then again I
thought to myself, okay, shots fired, guy's bloody injured. Oh
my god, you know where what did I get my
seventy here? And then and so the next particular, when
I'm down in Philly and we're up in North Philadelphia,

(19:49):
Northeast Philadelphia, actually went to a marijuater purchase. So we
were walking when we talked marijuana purchase. We're not talking
like a couple of pounds here in the area.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
We're not doing that.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
We're doing big loads. We're doing, you know, a couple
of two, one hundred pounds and all that stuff. So
the confidential informant, the confidential informant was working with two
of our other agents, and they do the typical stuff,
pat him down, wire them up, and all that stuff.
But what happens is the the when the two bad
guys show up to Jamaican.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Show up.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
They go, and they move intoside the location of the house.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
They go inside the house they come so all of
a sudden, there's conversations getting a little heated on the
on the conversation, they move back outside to the front lawn. Well,
guess what to t Jamaica's pull guns on our guy.
Guess what our guy does? He pulls a gun, like, well,
where'd you come oute that weapon? So now there's three
guys with weapons in the front lawn. So they start
to create their distance and they start firing on one another.

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Our guy gets out with an SMG, a little sell
machine gun. Back back a few rounds down range, hits
one of the guys. The two guys get in a van.
They go flying. We cover the source, myself and two
other follow up cars. We follow them. We're following on
a ninety five south bound. We radio into our base
to get highway units. Philadelphia Highway Units create. These guys
are amazing, man, amazing. They are citywide jurisdiction boot cops, boots, hats,

(21:06):
leather coats, gestopeo belts, and one of the most impressive
things I see. I tell us to all the training
and things I teach or whatever and talk about. Here
comes Here comes cars up on a five lane highway
northbound on the southbound lane, and cars Phillip p D
Highway trop coming southbound on the south on the south side.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
To pin them in, we back off. They don't get
out with their.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Hand guys back in the day, I think someone were
still caring wheel guns back in like.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Ninety ninety one. They come out with shotguns.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Man bam up on the windows and they get them out,
gets two bad guys out. Wees one is shot, and
all of a sudden, as they're clearing the van, they say, bomb,
bomb bomb.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
There was a bomb inside the van.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
When the bomb squad came they noticed it was it
was it was. It was dynamite wrapped up. There was
no net in charge. Shut down the whole highways like
about eleven o'clock at night, north and south.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Ten lanes of traffic shut shuts. They shut it down.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
And the funny story, the funny part of the story
was everyone's fine.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
But the funny part of the story was.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
As we are standing there, the lieutenant for highway Patrol
walks up to us and he introduces himself, and we
introduce ourselves. So I am, you know McFarland. This is
O'Reilly and this is McCormick. All irishman, right, three irishmen
standing there. He's like O'Leary or something like that, right,
he says, Oh God, here he comes. And we're like,
who's coming. Who's coming? Young guys, we're like new one

(22:32):
that's fably new on the job. We're like whatever I said,
We're who's coming? The Captain's coming? Well, this dude, this
guy comes in one of those grand furies, sitting in
the back seat. His driver gets out of the car,
opens the door for him, like he's like, I might
be in a movie here, Oh, in a freaking movie.
So he just out of the car and he just
just stretched down, starts, I'm talking at eleven o'clock at night.

(22:53):
How can this guy? Was he sleeping in his clothes?
Starts walk Lieutenant's He walks up to lieutenant's captain for
these who are these guys? Who are these guys? There's
these are d special ass They called it in. They
did the right thing and granted, what's your name? I said, mcclarumill,
He says, oliary. He says McCormack guys.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Uh good old good good Irish boys.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
And walks away from us.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
He walks away from the like like he was like,
you know, McConnell or something like that, you know, like
we're good. But they did this a solid They got
us in about a month or so later and gave
us accommodations for the city, a nice piece of paper. Hey,
you know whatever, but uh yeah, but what he was
a captain captain Higway Patrol, Captain of the Highway Patrol.
I'm telling you if you remember Frank Rizzo, if you're listeners,

(23:37):
if you ever want to look up Frank Rhythm, he
was the inventor.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He was the man behind the Highway Patrol, and.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
They had citywide jurisdiction. And still I know the unit
is shrunk, has gone down over the years, over the years,
but they are.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
A no nonsense group.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
We used them constantly on missions like if we were
blocking roadways or blocking corners of a you know location
is on in North Philadelphia, so quite quite interesting, quite interesting.
So and then the other one and maybe me understand something.
Now I'm scribed to my head going what do I
get myself into here? Okay, this is this, this has
been reoccurring, reoccurring issue. So now I'm working undercover.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
You know in Philadelphia, probably love.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
There's no brotherly love in Philadelphia, trust me, you know,
it's it's it's the fifth largest city in the nation.
It's a it's a rough it's a rough go up there.
But lastly, and I'll be quick about is I'm undercover
with that with a confidential informant, and we're going to
purchase one kill of cocaine. Why because this guy was
arrested by one of our other offices. We brought him
in to cooperate and his source was from Philadelphia boom,

(24:38):
so he has he has an inn, some white dude
up in North Philadelphia. So I meet the guy. And
one of the biggest things lessons learning this job. And
I think you as an agent former educator, myself is
a former educator.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
If you think you know it all, you don't know anything.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
So we have to do is you basically got to
understand something we learned from that day. And what did
we learn that day? Well, that day when I met
the met the back guy, I had twenty five thousand dollars.
With the twenty five thousand dollars the United States currency
in the trunk of the car. The person to kill
a cocaine on the set. That guy knew I had
the money. He went around, got the kilos, came back,

(25:14):
comes in and goes out out in the house, comes
back out of the house, comes up to me, sis,
well here it is, you got the money. Before I
can give the bus signal, I go to the trunk,
pop the trunk and then bam thirty eight sumbos in
my ribs and he says, not today, kid, not today. Well,
I'll tell you what training kicks in. Hands go up

(25:34):
in a defensive posture. That's a danger signal. You want
to seeze about about twelve or fifteen federal agents coming
and running down the street and one way street cup
the wrong street with cars have saved me, and I'm
creating my distance. At the whole time, I'm backing up
a wasting a guy. Our guys identify. Three of the
lads come running down the street. This guy recognizes, uh oh,

(25:56):
something's up, you know, vest jacket yelling federal agents, please
please please. He tries to go for the house. They
cleaned his clock. Brother, They freaking oom, They cleaned his clock,
knocked him up. He threw the weapon before he got
to the house, but they cleaned his clock, and it
was it was quite interesting, to say least. One last
part of it was it was an in the end
of August maybe ninety one, ninety two, the Philadelphia Eagles

(26:20):
were playing in Miami Dolphins in preseason game. He says
to the resting agents that were cuffed them searching him,
and he says, well, I guess I'm not going to
see the Eagles game tonight.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
A criminal with a sense of human Yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
He ate the charges too. Five years for me he
got for doing that to me. And he had actually
two kilos of cocaine that day and he got hit
with over two thousand and two thousand grams and was
just going to you got about a year, You got
about ten.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I know, people ask me.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
I can't remember. He's either between ten to fifteen eight
he ate the charges no cooperation wow.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
And then probably five for the carrying a weapon.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
And I also a weapony.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
I got to it might have been a five five
five hit, but I kept because I ATF jumped on
board with the weapon with us in that case. And
but yeah, I think it might have been between ten
to fifteen he got hit.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So yeah, I'm just grateful.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
I tell you, you know, psychologically, twenty four to twenty
five years old, I was able to like my boss
would be okay, Juckie, Okay. I'm like, yes, Ray, I'm okay,
I'm okay. But I don't know if that would happen
to me in my late forties mid forties, I would
have been able to bounce like that. That's why I
put eighteen to twenty two ers in combat. They they
go on and blast, they want to do their thing.
They say, let's go to the pizza.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Like, okay, you know, Jack, we got to take a break.
Can you come back for the second segment of the.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Show, Yes, sir, Yes sir.

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(31:14):
some of the most dangerous areas in Philly and we
want to continue on with about UH with more information
about his career. So you ended up going to Quantico
and you started getting involved in the DEA Training Academy.
So you kind of go back to teaching again and
getting the opportunity to teach and coachy de agent's coming

(31:36):
into the field. So tell us a little bit about
that experience.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
You know, when I was when I was a basic
agent in Quantico, I wanted to come back to Quantico
in the basically the tactical unit, tactical training unit, which
encompasses physical training, defensive tactics. Tactical training is basically entry training,
race training, vehicular pursuit training, and it's just something I
wanted to get involved with. And it worked out. I mean,

(32:01):
I was able to get down to Quantico and it
did work. It work right for me. It worked out,
so enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun and UH.
I went to a lot of classes and I taught
a lot of students, taught a lot of personnel and
it was it.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Was funny, you know.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
I mean I I really enjoyed that kind of active,
kind of a lifestyle of making people, helping people and
getting people to train in the right way. And that's
where my teaching, I guess, and my coaching comes comes
in the in the background phase of it.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
But Quantico is just to such an awesome place.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
It really, it really is just a place where it's
just fantastic, fantastic environment. I don't have you ever been
into into Quantico, Yeah, but for a National Academy students.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
No, I went for some other training, but experienced it. Yeah,
fascinating place.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
It is a fascinating place because for the listeners.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
I've been to Glencoe too.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
So you're down Aaron infletsy uh DA Academy, FBI Academy
home in the United States Marine Corps based Quantico. You
talk about testosterone going down FBI trains, you're talking about
test happening. So it's a lot of a lot of
testosterone and it's a lot of fun. But the bottom

(33:20):
line is you're there to learn. You learn there to train,
and that's what helped me enjoy it so much. With
the physical training, defensive tactics and defensive tactics, boxing, ground fighting,
handcuffing techniques. Different is boton techniques, anything and everything, even
to the mere fact of mere presence. De Escalation s

(33:43):
one at escalation, you know, so you have to understand
the things that are occurring today.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
You see things that are occurring today in the news.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
What immediately escalation on the set on undrest situation versus
how can we de escalate before it goes to escalation?
Well that a lot of times you have to understand
something is what a de escalation? You're you're you're coming
in there and you're seeing what the bad guys or
bad gal is showing to you. So are you gonna

(34:10):
match guns for guns? The old movie Untouched the Untouchables. Uh,
never bring a knife to a gunfight. No, you don't
want to do that, because why the gunfight's gonna win.
It's gonna beat you every time. So we have to
we teach them what we teach the basic agent, and
we also teach advanced agents.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
And one of the other things used to I actually
enjoy about Quantico.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
We would work with the county. It's gonna be the local, county, state,
and international law enforcement agencies as well, which is awesome,
And we bring the tactical teams in and some tactical
teams are better than others, but really really appreciate. I
really enjoyed them. And then I ended up she's after
a number of years and training throughout the country and
training all kinds of personnel, it was time to move on.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
And that's why I took my first promotional.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
Test to Quantico. Take the promotional test.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
So just for clarity, when you when you go to
the DA Academy at this time, that is a full
time assignment, right. You're not still in Philly and take
off to go do classes and you only might be
there for a couple of days training and then go back.
You are. You're at a permanent assignment in Quantico, actually training,
and you're there the entire time during during that training cycle.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Correct, and it's off there.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
We talked about you did around the cohort of about
fifty ten almost ten times a year.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
We uh, that's a permanent change the station, a PCs
we call them in the agency. So I was permanently
changed the station from Philadelphia down to Quantico and back
in the day to put your name into Quantico as
a specially as an instructor. The list was long and distinguished.
I don't know how it is these days now, but
it was a lot of It was very prestigious to go.
And for those that say about you know, you know,

(35:45):
you know, you're your instructing academy. You know, there's that
old added saying for those that can't teach, I disagree.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I totally disagree with that.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Oh I completely I can I completely agree with you.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I totally disagree with that.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Man. So to get down to Quantico, it was something
where I used to say to the students. I said,
I'm the highest paid gym teacher in the nation. Let's
take care of this. Let's do this stuff. You're here
to learn. You're getting paid to do this stuff. Knock
this stuff out of the box and learn. Be a sponge.
And I had some amazing classes just rock stars, man,

(36:18):
I mean guys and gals. I had a gal hold
the record pulls the record in Quantica for one hundred
and three male push ups one hundred and three. Why
one hundred and three because her class numbers was one
hundred and one to oh three. It's on the board
in Quantico in the gym.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
How cool is that?

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Right? And just some really really rock stars I like
the word to use the word rockstars and movie stars.
We're gonna call them athletes, but it lead athletes. So
we do get some prize.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
People when we were training.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
And then of course you bring that all together, and
we had when I was down there as an instructor,
we were pushing about ten classes a year.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Fifth these students in a class that's five.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Hundred a year. We were pushing through, I should say
pushing through. We were working them. We were training them
ten classes a year. Think about that, and each class
is about seventeen sixteen seventeen eighteen weeks. At that time
when I was instructing, I think there was seventeen weeks
per class. And they and they.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Come in and you you go after them. Will you
lose them? Yes, you will. You'll lose a couple and fifty.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
I had one class out of twelve class when I
was a primary for the PTA area. One class I
had fifty came in, fifty went out. That's impressive. It
is very impressive. And for your listener, if you think
it's if you think it's easy, sign up, see what
you can do.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Come on down.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
You know, you're next contestant.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
My partner at one time, the Dea, he got Evact
out of Mexico and when he was in because he
was with Dea, and this is right right after Cai
Kiki Camerina eighty five. Yeah, he got e backed out
of there and he got sent to Kansas basically is
a safe space, sure away. But when he went to

(38:11):
the Academy, he had I think he might still have
the record for pull ups okay, and I can't remember
how many, but the guy was in freaking nature. He
looked like Bruce Lee, I mean, the same type of body.
He could do one finger pull ups. He could be I.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Can't remember the actual that's just funny. I don't remember
the record for male pull ups, but it's got to
be in the thirties.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, it was a lot, because it definitely was an
abormal amount. But he could do he could do like
fifteen twelve or fifteen one finger intense man. Like I said,
when he when he got down, he literally had the
body of Bruce Lee, you know that kind of with
a you know, thirteen pack. He didn't have a pack.

(38:57):
He had a thirteen pack.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Thirteen.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
This guy was it was a stud and he was
fluent in like three different language, four different languages English.
So yeah, I mean a lot of people think, you know,
sometimes law enforcements just knuckle draggers, and they I have
found in my career, regardless of what local, state, federal,

(39:22):
that law enforcement officers are number one, very driven to
be the best that they can be. There are some
that not, I mean, there are some that fall through
the cracks, but there's this a spree of cords that
they really want to focus on being the best that
they can be, and they want to they want to

(39:44):
excel to a different level. And uh, I just I
never ran into law enforcement. Again, there's a few bad
apples out there, but the vast majority of time you
would run into people that go, man, that person is
squared away.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Yes, kind of makes you.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
I still feel that way to today. Is that the
vast majority of law enforcement that I run into in
the nation, you go, man, they're doing a great job there.
They got good personalities, they're in the business for the
right reasons, and they continue to develop. The best police
officers focus on mind, spirit, and body. They just focus

(40:22):
on one of the three, all three of the things.
They're trying to focus, and my hope is that we can,
you know, continue A lot of people forget their faith
side of it because it may not be popular. But
if you if you have one and two and you
don't have the face side checked out, you can kind
of get, you know, give into the dark side sometimes
when you're in law enforcement and start abusing yourself, you know,

(40:46):
with alcohol and other stuff. If you're not, if you're
not really grounded away. So appreciate your work and DEA Academy.
Anything else there stood out.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
And.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
I'll give a shout out to every student that's come
through there, especially my particular classes. They they are just
amazing and I think I thank them for you know,
one of the biggest things I'm very much most proud
of is not one of my students. And I just
have to say my students now DEA students, now one
of them was either killed, injured or wounded on a job.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Oh wow, that's incredible. Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know they were doing their job.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, you know when they get injured or hurt.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Yep, because it was just train, train, train, train, train.
And I used to say to me, you repeat so much,
I repeat so much. I want to drill it in
your head. That's why I repeat so much like Vincembardi.
He would just drill it and drill and drill it.
That's what I did. I just drill in our heads.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Yeah. So what made you want to decide Okay, okay,
I want to go out and supervise uh these wonderful agents.
What kind of made you say, Okay, I've done enough here,
I want to get I want to try to go
through the promate promotion and actually get in the field
and make a difference there. What kind of was the
mindset with you going taking that leap?

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Competitive by nature, a plus personality, guy, Irish, Catholic, Gotta
do the next thing. What's the next thing? Take their
motion test, do well on it, get it, get it,
get a promotion, go to a fourteen, become a reson
agent in charge where I know your listener are gonna go,
oh well, a top of sigmon. I went down to
be the Yeah, exactly what to SI went down to

(42:23):
be the rack. Yes, in the Saint Croix Resident office
in the Caribbean Division. Yes, the US Virgin Islands.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Let me let me give you a little example of
what the Saint Croix is like, okay, yeah, no, my
wife sat a different side of it. It was I
had night, I had, I had nineteen weapons, carries an
office personnel signed great book, group of people. I mean,
we worked some international cases, air drops, containers, uh, smuggling operations.

(42:52):
We even became bad guys in some of some of
the smuggling operations dropping dropping, fake doping the water, uh,
some of our thinking outside the box things. Twenty eight
miles wide, twenty eight miles long, seven miles wide. Is
the island sat for fifty thousand populations five times? The
national murder rate for the average is down in s
C five times the national murder rate for fifty thousand
population very very violent. Why do we go down air well?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
One of the challenge.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
One of the challenge. The Cribbean Division is made up
of from anywhere from the free Port, Bahamas all the
way down to the ab Season also right now Porter
Spain for that tribage or off the coast of Venezuela.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
We haven't been in Venezuela since twenty nineteen. I think
we were out of there. THEE Office was so who
monitors that a country Quartasu, which is Williams Steady in Quartasu,
EBC's quarter, Spain's Fortribago to the northeast, and of course
Colombia to the west, and our office over in Guyana,
guy not gh webe right, no, butr Africa. I got

(43:52):
such as a geography lesson when I showed up down,
I had to learn everything I haven't had. I even
had to learn the weather because when a hurricane season,
you know, do we do in October? Yeah? Do we
stay or do we go? What do we do here?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
You know?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Is the category fires coming barren down on this right.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
So wonderful investigations, wonderful peoples, But you had to think
outside the box. And we surely surely did. And and
I'll just give you your people at understanding of what
the what the Caribbean's like. It's the cocaine corridor.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
You got the.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Islands to the east of view. You got the sent
Town Contrytitul America countries to the west of view, and
it's and it comes up the cove. It just comes
up that cove. That the corridor. But when they get
around us, there's two ways gonna happen. Up in the
top of the region of the islands, they could either
break for Africa or Europe, or they're going to break
up the chain. They're gonna keep coming to the States,
depending what they're doing. Is it is it going to

(44:39):
be boat, Is it going to be container ship? Is
it going to be aircraft? That's how that's how they
fronnel out. I'm not talking the Pacific side. That's a
whole other launch zone Ecuador, Columbia out in the.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Pacific, the Eastern Pacific. I'm talking where we were stationed.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
And we we would utilize our resources in their air
assets and so on and so forth. But but if
I may football terminology, the Caribbean were like the linebackers
in country personnel as the lineman defensive line. We're the
linebackers cone is like the defensive backs defensive secondary. That's
how we leveled. They had the level of level containment.

(45:17):
But it's it's a wicked game. As you you're seeing
that the twentieth boats is getting knocked off.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Boats are easy to pick off.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
They're easy.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
They're like there's like shooting shooting ducks in a barrel.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
It's the ones that you can't see that are as,
that's the ones you want to go after because I said,
shooting ducks in a barrel. But also what I can see.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Is the transportation inland, transportation on the ships.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
How do you how do you a thousand foot freighter
and you got how many containers on it? You better
you have a better intelligent information to get on that
to find out where that dope is going, that dope
is secreted in.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah, we were in Kansas City. We were one of
the first places to get the uh, the stuff that
came in that drag dogs wouldn't hit off. They were
They were actually putting the cocaine in, mixing it with

(46:09):
what's the kind of plastic to form boats, boats and
full fiberglass. They were doing the fiberglass, and what we
got was a bunch of there was bathtubs that had
been formed into bathtubs that had cocaine mixed with fiberglass
actually mixed into it. It wasn't cut. It was actually
mixed into the fiberglass into the right and then they

(46:32):
would melt it off and separate the fiberglass from the
from the cocaine hydrochloride. Yeah, it was amazing. So it
just goes to show you how much you can miss
because because it's you know, and how do you feel
about NAFTA. You know that when NAFTA first, and maybe
you didn't get it as much because you were on
the Caribbean side, But what NAFTA did was basically made

(46:55):
the border not a border with respect to the delivery
of materials back and forth between Mexico and.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
Canada.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
We could go down and ship without having to stop
at the border, and naturally, drug leaders.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Took it, took it a disaster.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Disaster didn't have to affect Caribbean.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Now we're we're a whole different animal. If you get
like I said, it's all water related with us. We're
in the Caribbean division. It really it really was curry.
And for your listeners, I mean it was just a
vast body of water and the little islands to your
as I said, to your east, and eventually you get
them to your north, like Puerto Rico, the Themican Republic, Haiti,

(47:36):
Jamaic up.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Across the top.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
But then you got the land. You got the seven
Centime countries, Central America countries to your west. So that's
a that's a whole another where they're transporting over land.
With us, we're water related, and they'll stay inside they
don't want to go outside because the Caribbean Ocean should
be the Atlantic Ocean is rough. Those stay inside as

(48:00):
much as they can, and then they'll break for the
Africas or the Europe's like Lisbon, Portugal, it's like a nose,
it sticks out, that's one of theirs. Or they'll they'll
shoot for Senegal, which is in the in the cusp
there in West Africa. They'll shoot for that, the closest landpoint,
and they'll get into the they'll get into the country
and that's when that's when the freighters actually Spain just

(48:22):
hit like one point seventy ton of cocaine and a sub. Yeah,
because I don't know all the intelligent information, but I
would venture to say DIA was the Madrid office was
behind that.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Yeah, absolutely think about this.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
I mean, I noticed one of your questions down the
road here with us, but for your listeners, who did
we work with down there in.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
The Caribbean, America, Americans?

Speaker 9 (48:45):
Right?

Speaker 5 (48:45):
We had the Dutch, we had the Brits, we had
the French, who's our closest ally the Brits. The Brits
right now, I have a little bit of heartburn about
you know, it's blowing these boats up whatever.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
You know, it's it's they'll get over it, they all do.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
But you know it's I mean, I'm being very directive.
I'm going to waste my breath on that. But it's
one of those things that.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
That's what happens when you declare them as terrorist organizations.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
Exactly and there and they're still pushing on it.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
That's a whole other thing we could talk about. But
the idea behind working with those countries were amazing, and
I want to share.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
It to you, your audience, to show with you. We
used to go to what we call coordinational meetings. Say
we're open St. Saint Martin, you know, the French up
top saying and the Dutch down below. The Martins are
north and south. So we go over stated, we're gonna
we're going to the Dutch side, and you have the
bridge the Americans, the bridge the French and the Dutch.
And when the Americans would walk in to the coordinational meetings,
they'd say, and here come the Americans, Here come the Americans.

(49:41):
Like we're like, there's World War two, we just liberated France,
you know what I mean. It's so funny because we
were the driving we.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Got to do to save you guys today.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
Yeah, what do we gotta do today? Even now? What
do you guys want? Another? Another, you know, another somewhat
more aircraft down here to fly around your islands.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
And so, hey, France, have you already given up on
this one?

Speaker 5 (49:59):
Yeah? Blase Blase, you know, Officer Jackbla, you know. And
I'm over to Brits tucking the mick. I'm going, what's
up with these guys? Man? They're like, well, you know,
they're they're French, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Why didn't you? Yeah, I'll get it tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Get tomorrow, Carrie Water? What what flat water? Bubby water?
What do you want?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
You know?

Speaker 5 (50:19):
They're great people, yea. It comes down from the top
and it settles down on them. And because they want
to do the same thing we're doing, they're law enforcing
their weapon care. They want to kick taale man, you know.
So uh but that was always used to always got
to kick out of it. Here come the Americans, and
it's so funny, like, oh, we just liberated French, you know.
But they were good souls, they were good people, and

(50:40):
so yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
How did you know, you know, you mentioned that some
people were going out and boat and then going to
Africa or either Europe. I'm assuming they have to be
bigger boats in order to survide that kind of trip.
So was there different types of seacraft.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, that's a very
good point.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
I can talk about boats to my one of my guys,
we've sent in a boat school and all the different
kind of boats and all that. But one of the
big boats down there on the islands, as you everyone knows, oh,
the gold fast boats had forty two footers, you know,
forty five footers you know for four four twenty five
hanging off the rear end of them, you know. But
there's other boats, these called the Yola's. Look at what
a yola is, yellows a little freaking fishing boat.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
And these guys are out of their minds.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
They'll be in the middle of the Caribbean Sea and
they'll have a little put put engine, maybe two put
put engines under and just going and they have they
have like a fifty key those in it to get
they're trying to get to the southern coast of the
d Yard of the Dominican Republic, and we pick them off,
you know, because there we've got patrols out there or
what was happening, but they were out of their minds.
But the bigger ones. One of our last cases we had,

(51:44):
we hit, we hit, we hit four. We hit fifty
two foot sail boat that had power but also sail.
It's like a seven or ten day tour sail to
get across. And but they'll come up and then they'll
break around where they we're the the Martins are and
are going northeast then because they don't want to go
too far because you're down then you're down to Nibbia

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and you're South Africa. They don't want to get up.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
They want to get up to the They have to
get up to.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
The northern port of Africa.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
We're also into the into the Europe area.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Nobody's buying down that way, No.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
God no, maybe maybe South Africa and Cape Town they are.
But a lot of that is is kat kat. It's
like a marijuana.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
That's a whole nother We We have an office in Pattoria, joe.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Burg, Johannisburg. I've been over there. Very violent, very violent country.
Uh so, but it's it's interesting because the vessels and
then the freighters.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
As I said, a thousand foot freighter with five hundred.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Containers on it. It's going to port and Lisbon, Portugal.
If you don't have the right intelligence information, you're not
going to find it. I don't care how many you'll
burn a dog out. The dog will be freaking exhausted
before it finds anything. It'll be exhausted. They'll boom, they'll
fall over, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
So do you do any work with the snow cappers?
Were you on when the.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
I never was a lot of my buddies were snow cappers. Actually,
my roommate, uh, Jean McCarthy, he was a snow capper
and Gene was actually called back from his tour of
duty down in Bolivia to come on back to He
was a major in.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
The Marine Corps gun Chappelle copter pilot.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
He was a Naval Academy graduate where roommates and the
academy and Jane was killed in the first goal for
February second and nineteen ninety one. Yeah, and he was
a gun Chappella copter cobra and not his fault mechanical era.
Him and his coatpil they slammed the chopper they were
coming out with wound the Marines out of Iraq and
McCarthy was a snow capper.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I honor him every every show, I honor him every show.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
I honor him.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Well, can we can you say his name again? Because
I wanted to make sure. Eugene P.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
McCarthy. He's a Brookly, New York boy.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Eugene T. McCarthy was buried and he is buried in
Calgary Cemetery. He's a major in the Marine Corps and
he was killed February second, nineteen ninety one. He was
a DA special Agent signed the San Diego in our
snowcap program. But he was also a marine, a Marine
reserve officer. He was a Cobra gun Chappella copter pilot.
Solid dude, man, solid.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Okay before we go, Yeah, you gotta tell me. Were
you an offensive coordinator defensive coordinator? What was your preference?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
I was?

Speaker 5 (54:07):
I in high school. Remember, I have to keep both
sides of the ball, the defensive offense. I was the
receivers of slots. Receivers and slots, slot backs and defensive
back safeties and courts.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
I say, what's your what's your favorite defensive scheme?

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Well, and I prefer I prefer running a forty three
forty three, but now into in today's society, it's more
like a thirty four with a stand up for and
you gotta have four or five, definitely four to five
defensive backs these days. Too much, too much passion going
on off running.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Jack McFarlane retired DEA Special Agent, UH supervisor well rack
actually resident agent charge thirty two years of service, leadership
and sacrifice. Thanks so much for joining us. You're gonna
be on later. We're going to talk some more on
the Low Desmond Company show during drive time tonight, So
thanks again. I'm guest hosting there and we'll have an
extended conversation with you folks. Thanks so much. Don't forget

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