Can Angels and Dead Saints Actually Hear Your Prayers?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I think of it, the inspiration is usually you're
inspired by something outside of you, or it's when you're
in the presence of the divine, there's an inspiration. When
you get moved, there's a spirit of inspiration. And then
the intuition is like that gut feeling that kind of
communicates with you and like a GPS or accompassed system

(00:20):
that we have within an internal navigational system that is
a designed to lead us in all truth. All right,
ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Truth. Cicca and Aaron Podcasts.
Excited to be with you all.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm your host, Aaron, and this is true Cica.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's me.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
We're here in studio, but in two months we're going
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That sounds a lot closer.

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(01:56):
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(03:41):
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(04:02):
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Talking about like trying to figure out topics of what
we want to talk about, like what we want to
talk about, what we need to talk about every Like

(04:24):
I don't know, I think like with social media and
just everybody's a teacher, everybody's an expert. Now like I
kind of feel the you know, I don't I don't
feel the need to push my way through the algorithms anymore.
And and doing that and seeing the little things that
people do. I don't like doing it anymore. I don't

(04:44):
like to even speak on things as a as an
expert or act like I know anything, you know. So
we just wanted to come on here and share and talk.
And I guess i'm, you know a little bit like
Jordan Maxwell say straight up like, I'm not the world's
leading expert on anything. I've just experienced a lot and

(05:06):
study a lot. So anything that we talk about when
it comes to religion and philosophy and the Bible and
stuff like that, know that it's a you know, its opinion.
It's a you know, personal beliefs and convictions and through
a lot of study and a lot of supplication. But
you know, I don't want to be a part of
that rat race. And it's nasty out there, you know,

(05:27):
in the comment sections and stuff. So we're gonna talk
about some stuff I put out on Facebook asking people
what they wanted us to talk about. And there's just
so many different a wide range of subjects for sure, Yeah,
wide varying range. Maybe we can pull from some of it,
because I remember just scrolling through, it's like I don't
want to talk about that. I don't want to talk
about that, like, well why even ask then? You know,

(05:49):
but maybe we could touch on some of those questions
and stuff that people had, because after all, I mean
that people listening, they have questions, what they want to
hear and stuff. So right here just opinions and I
definitely can know we bring this at the table different
ways of looking at stuff. Yeah, and most of its
countercultural or counter you know, it's contrary to popular belief,

(06:12):
with a lot of scriptures and a lot of agreed
upon belief systems and theology even fringe though, even when
it gets fringed into like weird spiritual or paranormal stuff.
You know, there's even a spin on that it's like
doubling down to continue to like filter yourself further and

(06:33):
further away from groupthink and stuff. But I think that's
what the truth is anyway.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, I agree. Well, A common a common theme for me,
like that I keep seeing over and over again is
about intuition, like following your intuition. So I mean, what
is intuition? It's what messages? Is it the same thing

(07:00):
inspiration or is it a little different? Do you think.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
I look at them different? I look at one from
one that's from without and one's from within.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Thing, when I think of it, the inspiration is usually
you're inspired by something outside of you, or it's when
you're in the presence of the divine, there's an inspiration.
When you get moved, there's a spirit of inspiration. And
then the intuition is like that gut feeling that kind
of communicates with you and like a GPS or a

(07:33):
compass system that we have within the internal navigational system
that is a designed to lead us into all truth.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah. Like we talk about a lot that our bodies
are like antennas that we pick up on signals from God,
from the spirit, from the other side of the veil,
you know. But those signals also, like you said, are
transmitted from within from our gut, which a lot of
people think the gut, actual physical gut microbiome has a

(08:02):
lot to do with intuition because if it's all messed up.
You know, a lot of people whose gut is messed
up have mental health issues and they're not able to
receive or decipher those signals, those signals that tell us
when danger is around or when people aren't being authentic
and genuine. It's kind of the thing that signals words

(08:25):
of knowledge. I think that you pick up from other
people from being around them. But when you're all messed
up or your body's in fight or flight, sometimes that
stuff doesn't compute. But anyway, I've been seeing a lot
of stuff lately about intuition and following your intuition and like,

(08:46):
you just know you have a deep knowing, But a
lot of times we gaslight ourself that everything's okay when
it's not, whether it be in a group setting and
there's inauthentic people around or in a church setting, and
you just gaslight yourself into keeping ongoing even though you
see things that are not kosher and things don't match

(09:06):
up with your with your gut, with your belief system,
things that you know are right. And Yeah, anyway, that's
been a common theme that I've been dealing with his
intuition and following your gut, following what signals that I
believe God is sending you without just going along with

(09:27):
the flow. Like the little meme the little dog in
the dumpster fire in the office that's on fire, and
he says, everything's fine, Everything's fine. Like our friend's son
was wearing a shirt that said something like that. When
we were over there the other day. Everything's fine.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I know, Jordan and I try to like fact
check a lot of stuff. But Jordan used to always
say that the word gut is Scandinavian for God, your
gut feeling or your god feeling. And he used always said,
I've never, you know, seen that etymology myself, but he's
he said it many times. And you can trust that

(10:03):
the gut intuition, I don't know, like you know you can.
It can definitely be out of balance to where you like,
because there's some people who are like you could be
super sensitive to it to where like you just believe
everything every feeling that you get without like testing it

(10:25):
or whatever. It's like, oh, I just I feel this
way my spirit, I don't feel right around them. It's
a space. It's something's wrong with them. It's a hold
on it's something wrong with you, like you know what
I'm saying, so projecting or whatever. So you know, I
think you should be able to test it. We years ago,
is this kind of still I still don't know the

(10:46):
truth about this. You don't just throw it out there.
It's kind of like we took an l but it
was a learning experience. And you probably remember when I
talk about this, but it's working at a job site.
And this was a man. This is probably two thousand
and two, maybe two thousand and two, and we went
and had lunch at a waffle house for on our
lunch break, me and a friend of mine named Gary

(11:08):
and and we're there and we see a friend of
ours wife having dinner with another man, like and we're like,
oh my god, it's them, and we we both look
at her and we say hello, and she nods and
says hello, and it's kind of awkward, and we're like
sitting down at the table, like, oh my god, what
do we What do we do? Because the other dude,

(11:29):
I think he was at the job site, like I
think he was working with us, And we're like, what
do we do? Man? We gotta we gotta gotta say something,
you know. So we we were like praying about it
and how do we break the news to the guys?
So we ended up like going back to the job
site and tell him and he ends up he ends

(11:49):
up telling us that his wife has a has a
twin and that was her twin there eating and it
wasn't wasn't his wife, even with another man. We never
could confirm or deny that that she had a twin
or whatever, but we felt like, you know, like the

(12:10):
discernment like hold on, no, no, no, no, you're lying that
that was her, That was the lady that we met
at prayer meetings and stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
You know, because why did she's not in wave if
she didn't know you, you know, you'd never met her twin.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, I think we saw her and it was like, oh, hey, hey,
how are you kind of thing. She's like hey, So,
I mean it could have.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Been maybe it's just politeness.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but it's one of the
things where we felt like early on it was like,
oh my god, this is you know, was our discernment off?
I mean, but the discernment was definitely discernment of the eyes.
Do our eyes deceive us? Because it was a spitting
image of the woman, even if it was her sister, you.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Know, yeah, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it was just
maybe it was set up like that. Maybe it was
true and it was a test to see if you
would actually speak up when you saw something.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Like that happening. The whole thing was set up and
they were just testing us them. But no, maybe though
maybe it was an initiation into a Christian order.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Maybe and we passed. Yeah, I would want someone to
speak up.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Or maybe they seen that they can't tell the secrets
because we tell everybody. Maybe we failed maybe yeah, maybe
we didn't get invited to the party.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
You don't want to be invited to those kinds of parties.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Right, secret parties now mm hmm. Anyway, that's different than
the gut feeling. But it's still like we felt like, no,
that's her.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
You know, you might have been right. I mean, who knows,
It's just it's like you said, though, it is a
balance like trusting the intuition versus every feeling that you have,
because some of our feelings come from experiences, not from
our gut intuition, Like if you've been hurt by something before,
you're going to be on the lookout for that more.
And yeah, you know, you can feed intentions into situations

(13:59):
that aren't really so it is important to find a balance.
But anyway, it's with it being like a recurring theme.
And when we read our Bible studies today, it was
in there that these these evil doers are the ones
sitting around you having meals with you, Like, I don't know,

(14:21):
it just has been a common theme, like to be careful,
be careful around even the people that are close to you,
and be careful who you share your dreams with too,
Like a lot of people, I feel like even share
their dreams with their family, and the family like crushes
the dream, you know, because it's for them it wasn't possible.
But for you, maybe it is, like just to be careful,

(14:46):
you know, sharing your dreams and sharing your innermost secrets
with people because they don't always they might be feasting
at your table, but it doesn't mean that they're on
your team necessarily.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, it's hard to do, especially if it means something
to you and the person drags you down. I remember
the first first couple of times that happened to like,
you know, people who were kind of discipling me or something.
And I had had a dream and a vision. I
felt like God spoke to me and I brought it

(15:21):
to him and they're like, no, that's not God. God
wouldn't do that. He doesn't work like that, and it's
like I just I knew like it was him, and
I just wanted some confirmation. And the people you look
up to were like, no, that's not God. That happened
like so much early on in the church, with like
prophetic giftings and abilities in these dreams and stuff like

(15:42):
that that we'd have. And it wasn't like God doesn't
speak to you that way. It's what we found out,
you know. But when you're young and impressionable, you know,
and you look up to these people and they kind
of shoot you down. And that was, you know, something
that we experienced a lot of and come to find
out a lot of people did too, or still do
you know when it comes to you know, a church

(16:04):
setting and having dreams and visions or you know, what
God will and won't do. That's the last thing I
thought that God couldn't even speak on now what God
will and won't do, because the moment you say that's
the moment he does it. You know, yeap that, well,
God would never do that, and then he does it.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Even how many people told us it wasn't God's will
for us to get married, like and we both knew
beyond a shadow of a doubt that we were supposed
to be married. And so many people said, no, that's
not God, You're not supposed to get married and gave
the wildest, most ridiculous reasons why we shouldn't and including

(16:45):
I remember, like, we wanted to get married at our church,
but we were young, like you were seventeen, I was eighteen,
and they were like, okay, well we have to go
through marriage counseling. We were like great, yeah, sure, set
us up. We went through the marriage counseling, graduated it,
picked the date and they kept canceling our date on us,
like making up weird excuses. And then we picked another

(17:07):
date and they canceled that date, and it was just disappointing,
you know, because we wanted our church family's support and
to be surrounded by them and in our church it
was such a meaningful place to us. And it's kind
of funny how God works because we ended up getting
married out in nature, out in a park, which was

(17:28):
beautiful and perfect and I wouldn wouldn't have had it
any other way. But yeah, don't tell people your dreams
all the time. You have discernment about who you share
your dreams with because some of them are dream crushers.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, that's a hard lesson learn. You know, they want
you to be like you you want to be excited
about it, and you want that person to be excited
about it. It just it just doesn't always work that way. Yeah,
so you got it. You have to have enough excitement yourself,
and it really helps. It does help you to like

(18:05):
double down on being able to hear though everybody can
hear God if you know, if it's a pat on
the back, you know, right, But when you have to
hear God or have a word from God and nobody
else is like nobody else sees the vision, Welcome to
the wonderful world of being a prophet or a seer.
If you're operating in a level of seeing things from
a position that many people can't see from, so you

(18:29):
come back down to validate they haven't seen what you've seen.
But hold on to it, you know, if it's if
it's legit. But yeah, the last thing you probably want
to do is run around and tell everybody your dream
to see what happened with Joseph and has told his
brothers his dreams about you know, the plans that God
had had for him, what was coming down the pipeline.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
His own brothers.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Oh, really tell us more, God's gonna do what for you?
And it's okay. You see that happening a lot with
people just talking and sharing their secrets, sharing their weakness
with people. There's people like, okay, use it against you.
Everybody who's with you ain't for you.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
There's too many people out looking for something to use
against you because it gets clicks on the internet, it
pays their bills, it gets money. Like so many people
who used to be in beautiful prophetic or even like
biblical circles, now they just point out what's wrong with
everything and attack. And it's like you attack because you're

(19:35):
getting money in your pocket. But that's such a Judas mindset,
Like do you really want to identify more with Judas
or with Jesus. Jesus went and sat with the people
that you wouldn't have agreed with, you know. Yeah, I
always want to strive to be more like Jesus. I
think the world needs more of it and more of him.

(19:55):
And it's really cool because I think the world's getting
more of him even out side of the church, and
I love to see it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, it's sad, it really is. I can't. I can't,
you know. I try my best to limit the social
media and the scroll and stuff just because when you
find good videos, they're awesome. You know. I love a
good funny video or something like that. You know, but
there's too much of there's too many know it alls,

(20:27):
and there's too many people attacking and too many saying
this is this is the way, and this is the
only way, and everybody who believes the other way and
this has to be it. And it's like it's too
much of that, and it does something to me. It
makes me angry, Like it gets under my it gets
under my skin, you know, just to I don't know,

(20:47):
just to see people popped up on a on a
high horse of like as a know it all, and
it don't because I know it doesn't work that way.
Sometimes I want to comment, sometimes I want to make
video or something like that, but but that's pulling you
in in the algorithms, know that, Like that's what pulls
you in, and so I just, uh, it's you know,
it's hard to uh to watch him. I think like unfollowed,

(21:12):
even people who are friends and stuff that I've kept
up with over the years and they're on some wild
stuff or whatever. It's like you know, pursuing truths and
speaking truths and sharing truths and finding new truths that
contradicts the other truths that we've been taught. And we're
all deconstruction for sure, But there's a way to do
it with grace, you know, and uh and not gaslight

(21:36):
people that still believe the other way. Try, you know,
try your best to do it with grace. It's not
easy by any means. But uh, I don't know, I think,
I think just but it's not gonna get clicks if
you don't grace, ain't finna get clicks. Accusations, finger pointing,

(21:57):
name calling, buzzwords, all that stuff gets clicks. And and
this is the uh, the space that we're in where
our favorite pastors and people that we think are shepherds
and stuff want to look out for us. They you know,
they they out here trying to get clicks, you know,
and some of it do them in the name of truth,
because sometimes you gotta, you know, use some of that

(22:19):
stuff and to get in front of people. Maybe, but uh,
I don't know. It just I've had to try to
limit my time of of just who I who I,
who I'm partaking of and seeing.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, I know, I try to limit my time too,
which I've gotten a little bad about it lately, but
for a long time, I wouldn't even get on TikTok
at all and social media until.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
You started working on it.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
So I'll started working on it, and then you have to, like,
you know, respond to comments and stuff. And it's hard
because you respond to the comments and it feeds the
algorithm better. So you want to engage with your people.
But a lot of these are not our people. And
when I get on YouTube and I read the comments,
and there's so many mean comments. I mean, it would

(23:11):
probably be really hilarious to do a short video and
just read some of our most negative comments, because some
of them are so funny, like these people reach down
to the depths to come up with stuff sometimes. But
sometimes I read them and it'll stir something up in me,
that feeling you're talking about that you don't like that
anger or want to defend yourself or want to attack,

(23:34):
or I always want to comment back and have to
like restrain myself from clicking that button to comment back.
It's just so mean and hateful sometimes, but the good
comments like mean the world to us. So if you
have good comments, keep them comment because that's what really
fills our cup and keeps us doing this and keeps

(23:55):
keeps us knowing that we're on the right track, you
know that. And our commun unity. We have a really
great community that we meet with on Zoom and talking
to them is really uplifting too, So shout out to
you guys.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's where all the deep stuff said or had to
just turn alusive about whatever and kind of uncensored. Try
to censor myself sometimes on here. Anyway. Yeah, yeah, I've
seen a cool video today from a Joel Osteen interview
and he was just talking They were asking him kind

(24:30):
of about haters or the comments section and stuff, and
he was just talking about how he's learned to kind
of tune it out and not focus on it because
he's seen other preachers and other ministers preaching from the pulpit,
preaching from to their congregation, but with those angry, mean

(24:52):
comments in mind, and it changes your presentation, it changes
your inflection of your voice, and you're speaking to this
person or these people that are against you that aren't
in your church, and it's and Joel Olson was just
talking about how it was it such a disservice to
the people who were there, who were like hungry and
like they're there because you're so encouraging, because you're so positive,

(25:14):
and they love what you have to say, but you're
focused on the naysayer. And I've definitely been there many times.
It's this part of how I've been, you know, groomed
to wrestle with the scriptures and debate the scriptures and stuff.
It's the you know, that kind of thing. But I
try my best to get away from it. Especially on

(25:36):
podcast form or something or we're talking about bad comments
or whatever. It kind of ruffles those feathers versus like
just responding to you know, the people who genuinely have
a question or genuinely have a concern or something like that.
But you know, for the most part, as far as
like what we do, and you know, a goal is

(25:58):
is to help people just to think, people to look
at things a little bit differently. And if we've done that,
I think I've you know one yeah, you know what
I'm saying, just get people ask ask questions, look at
this stuff a little bit differently, and just by reading
the comments in the way you know, people the way

(26:18):
they're responding or things that are trying to get us
to talk about, like you know, people are asking deeper
questions for sure, you know, and then they're trying to
get some clarity on you know, I guess going super deep,
and they're trying to get some clarity of how all
this stuff kind of works together. You know.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, Well, I've been it's been a few days, probably
about a week, but I started listening to an audiobook
and it's called Your Word Is Your wand it's by
Florence Schen And she was a Christian. I don't know.
Is she a philosopher? Is that what you would call her?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Probably No, She's like a Christian new thought new thought author.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Okay, well, I started my second book by her, and
so a lot of mantras and affirmations and things she
would treat different situations. She uses the word treat like
a doctor, and people will call her when they have
situations they're going through to come and treat it and
help them change their mind to have a new perspective

(27:20):
about the situation. And we have a lot going on
right now with us and with our daughter and just
different things and contracts, and so we have a lot
going on behind the scenes. And I got a new
revelation of the scripture. Whatever you bind on Earth is

(27:44):
bound in heaven. Whatever you loose on earth is loose
in heaven because like, for instance, if you have a
debt that you want forgiven, and a lot of the
same stuff correlates in the books that she has is
if you have a debt that you want forgiven, forgive
a debt that somebody owes you. It's not only about

(28:06):
sin forgiveness. It's actually practical too that if you sow
the seed of forgiving that that debt to somebody, then
that is what you're going to reap. Your debt will
be forgiven of someone else. If you have a contract
that you want canceled, have another contract canceled, you know,
because these things, you reap what you sow, and it

(28:28):
balances out in a very practical way, just like it
does in the spirit with our debts and our sins
and things that we've committed that we're supposed to forgive
and be forgiven. That the practical things about everyday life
work that way too. So that's been that's been kind
of cool to pay attention to. Behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know, when you when you whatever you sew,
Boba says, be not to see if that is what
you also reap whatsover man so that he also reap.
So yeah, thinking of it as you know, little things
like that, but little things but practical. You know. It's

(29:11):
like you know, I've always talked about it, like if
you want a friend, be a friend. Yeah, you know,
and think you know, nobody calls me when you know,
when I'm going down? Like how many people do you
call when when they're down? You catch when that they're
going through? Did you call them? You know, like like
you show that, put that in in there, and then
when I believe that when it's needed, when when you

(29:31):
need it, like God sees it through that it's going
to come back to you. You know, be be a
friend for those who don't have a friend.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know that ego response is like, well, nobody reached
out to me, so why should I reach out to
anybody else? You know, Like, but and don't feel bad
if you feel that way, because it's natural. It's a
fleshly normal thing to experience. But that's what we got
to battle against, those kinds of mindsets that are egotistical
and selfish. Even well, nobody did it for me, why

(30:04):
should I do it for somebody else? Because look at
our example of Jesus Christ. He did everything for us
and gave us his all. He became a sacrifice for us.
And I mean, it's the least you could do to
reach out to somebody. The Golden rule, do unto others
as if you have them to do unto you, mm hmm.

(30:26):
And it makes it makes a powerful difference.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Most of the time, it's not reciprocated by the person.
And yeah, exactly, but that's where you store up the
treasures in heaven where like I still believe that God
make sure that you know what you're that you're taking
care of like when you need it. And but also
it kind of you know this other don't let the
left hand know what the right hand is doing. Is

(30:50):
like you know, you're sow and that just so only
because you can you know the laws and you're going
to get something back. Yeah, so you're trying to be
a good person, you know, or you're trying to give
money because you want to get more money back or whatever.
But you know, but knowing that because that is how
it works. There's this little dichotomy to try to get

(31:11):
over of, like let me let me just give I
want this just to be just a part of my
nature and what I do without thinking of the benefits
and the consequences or what's in it for me?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, is your why because you really want to help
this person because you really want to be a light
to them? Or is your why because I want to
receive On the other hand, like what's your motivation that matters?

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, I think empathy plays a big role in it.
Of like if you've been through something, you know, and
then you know what it's like to not have a friend,
so you try to become a friend. You know what
it's like to have somebody pay for your meal. So
then you're like, whose meal can I pay for?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
You know who can I bless? Who can I you know,
do a favor for or something like that.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, it's so important, and you know, just so happens
to work out in our favor one way or another now,
whether it's now or in the future or on the
other side, like it always works out in our favor
to act out in love and kindness. So be encouraged

(32:18):
and be an encouragement. Well, I had found some questions
on the internet that I thought some of them were
very interesting, So I will get your take on a
couple of them. Have you ever experienced a miracle yourself, healing,
financial breakthrough, protection from danger, or something that just couldn't

(32:39):
be explained. And what do you think brings miracles? Is
it your faith? Is it prayer, fasting, or simply God's grace.
I would love to hear your perspective.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, I would say a lot, a lot of miracles.
Just what I would see, something supernatural where God shows
up somehow where it didn't seem like he would. One
of the first ones, like a financial miracle for us

(33:15):
when we like after we got married, was we didn't
have money to pay pay the bills, like one hundred
bucks short or whatever. And then you come I came
home from work and found you inside in our little
camper trailer. We were living in a little twenty seven

(33:36):
foot camper or something something like that, and you were
crying listening to the worship music and I thought you
were mad at me or so. I didn't know why
you were crying, like because I yeah, I came home
later or something. I was like, what's going on? And
you just handed me the letter and it was somebody
had said Merry Christmas, Derek and Aaron, like they're written

(33:58):
it in crayon and it was just one hundred dollar
bill and we're a hundred dollar bill short, and we're
praying that God would provide and meet our needs. Right,
and that was a miracle. But you know how and
why I have to rewind. A couple of months before that,
we had a friend who had got fired from their

(34:18):
job or let go and was going through some financial troubles.
And I started working my first job and got my
first paycheck, and we were going to go to the mall.
I think I had one hundred dollars extra that we
were going to go spend, and we were pray. We
were at church after church, we're praying, and I just
felt the Holy Spirit tell me give that one hundred

(34:38):
dollars to this brother who's in need. Don't tell them,
just slip it in his pocket. I pulled you to
the side, you know, told you get your approval. You say, yeah,
if you think God spoke to you, and you feel
like this is God didn't do it, And I just
did it. He had he was praying for somebody or
something and I just kind of real gently, like barely

(34:59):
slid it in his pocket where he couldn't see me
or no. It was me, And so I think that
I think I kind of we don't know, but I
think it was him months later paid it forward and
gave the money back to us, you know, in a
different way when we needed it. But at the same time,
it's like God orchestrated it. Like just the way that

(35:21):
that happened perfectly for us was a big, a big
test for our faith. And it proved you know, that
God is faithful, and if the Holy Spirit's leading you
to do something to help somebody, then you know it's
for a good reason. And when you need it, it's

(35:42):
you know, reciprocated and giving back to you when you
need it. Sometimes pressed down, shaking together, running over way
more than that, but it just happened to be exactly
what we needed. And so to that that was a big,
you know, statement for our faith early on.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, I remember that very vividly because one hundred dollars
to us then was like a thousand dollars now, like
it was a lot of money to us, And yeah,
acted out in faith. And we don't know who gave
us the one hundred dollars back. We we can guess
all we want, but what really don't know. Nobody ever think.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I even asked him and he was like, no, brother,
I don't know, like he.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Didn't nobody ever owned up to it. But it was awesome.
We needed it and it came through.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
So that was that was a miracle. Teaches you to
trust God when you feel the Holy Spirit telling you
to do something.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I remember too. For me. Another miracle was when we
were living in Louisiana when we first I say we
first got saved, but you know, after the whole backslid
and witchcraft, really bad, bad time, and we came to
christ and we're a new creator, and we wrote down

(37:01):
this list of prayers that we had. One was to
have Christian friends, to move back here to Alabama, to
get our car fixed. It was just this list and
we prayed and asked God. I mean it wasn't even
that long. It was like a couple of days before
things started falling right into place. But the big miracle

(37:24):
was our car was so messed up. We couldn't even
drive it home to Alabama because it was like I
think you was it. You pushed the gas all the
way to the floor and it would barely go or
vice of Mariona.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, when you crank it up it would you had.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
To ride the brake because the gas would rend all
the way up and it just wasn't safe. And I
remember telling my mom, you know, we wanted to come home,
that we didn't want to live over there anymore. Who
wanted to come home and get back to the church family,
that you knew your church fathers from earlier, and just

(38:02):
to get a better start, because it just sometimes when
you're in a situation where there's so much darkness, a
fresh start is just what you need. And so we
just wanted to come home to Alabama. And I talked
to my mom on the phone, said, you know, we
really want to come home, but the car. We don't
think the car will make it. And she's like, well,
if you can get the car home, we'll help you

(38:24):
pay to get it fixed. And I said, well, Mom,
we don't even have gas money to make it home.
And she said, go look under the jack in the trunk.
I taped a plastic bag with a twenty dollar bill
in it, which at the time was a full tank
of gas. Guys, And sure enough we went and looked
and found the twenty dollars taped under the jack in

(38:46):
the trunk, just in case of emergencies. My sweet mama
was thinking ahead and you know, I fully believe God
used her in that way. And we laid hands on
the car, prayed over it would make it home to Alabama,
put that twenty dollars of gas in there, and sure
enough it drove all the way here. It was that

(39:07):
was a miracle to me to get us out of
that situation that was not good. And yeah, it felt
it felt like being rescued by an angel, for sure.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
And then all the other thing, I think it was
seven things that we had written down and all of
them were answered, like within just a few days. Yeah,
and it was a big deal. And some of them
seemed all of them seemed miraculous, So they were miracles.
They were answered prayers that were you know, answered miraculously

(39:43):
within like I don't know, five days or something if that. Like,
we wrote them down and we prayed, we'ld pray over
them every night before we went to sleep, and all
of them were answered. It was to have Christian friends,
it was to relocate, it was to get a job,
and all of it happened miraculously.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, but that for sure stands out as a miracle.
It almost doesn't even sound real like telling that story,
but it's true, it really happened.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
This is an interesting question somebody had Erica on Facebook.
She was asking this, I'm curious what your take on
weeping when you pray. It's not something that I've ever
experienced until recently. And although I'm sure it's an experience

(40:37):
that it's sort of unique to each individual, I'm very
intrigued as to what others experience different different prayer styles
in general, praying, crying when you pray, or weeping when
you pray.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Well, sometimes in prayer, but definitely worship too, like I know,
a joyfest. We were there a couple of days, and
every time the presidence would fall like I would just
pretty much the whole time, I was just crying. It
wasn't like sad crying. It's just an overwhelming feeling like

(41:15):
you have so much joy and the presence is so strong.
It's just I don't know, that's just the natural reaction
I had to. It was just a cry. And it's funny.
I guess we had had a break for lunch or something,
and I can't remember. I can't remember who asked me.
It might have, I don't remember who it was. But

(41:35):
somebody basically was like, why have you had fun today?
I was like, yeah, I've had a great time, So
what have you been doing? Just crying all day? Like
somebody said that to me because I just cried the
whole time pretty much. But it was a beautiful experience.
It's just overwhelming, Like I don't think the human capacity
for emotion can compute sometimes what you feel in the spirit,

(41:55):
and for me, it's crying definitely, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I think just when you know, you just feel deeply
with prayer and you know, and it could be ramped up,
you can be you can feel things more deeply like
that you didn't think you could. I've talked about like
sharing our testimony and stuff and talking about Jesus and

(42:23):
you know, things where I could say it, you know,
just in passing, you know, many times over. But then
just go through seasons where I'm like I just mentioned
Jesus or talk about his grace or how good he is,
and I just start weeping, you know. Definitely been like
feeling real sensitive and that. And there was a I

(42:43):
shouldn't even mention it now, but it was a quote
from a saint that says something about tears when you
when you pray and stuff, and how powerful they are.
But it's like a like an offering to God, gift.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
He sees each tears that fall.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Well, I just think, yeah, it just means that you
feel deeply or you know, it's not a It's not
to say that people who aren't crying don't feel deeply either,
though you know that's true. There's different ways to express
emotions and feel emotions.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
So this was a good question. It's going to be
probably a little controversial, but it said. I'm trying to
wrap my head around this. Why pray to Mary if
you can pray to God directly? My understanding of intercession
is praying for others, But I feel that it only
makes sense if I pray to God for my friend

(43:50):
or on behalf of my friend. I've never really understood
the idea of praying to someone other than God to
ask them to pray for myself in place of praying
direct to God. So this one I've kind of gotten
a new appreciation for in the past couple of years
is asking the helpers to help you instead of only

(44:14):
praying directly to God, which you can. There's nothing wrong
with that at all. Praying directly to God or talking
to Jesus. But over and over in the scriptures, like
we're reminded that we have all this team, these watchers,
these angels, there are ministers, are ministering spirits and there
to help us. And so I don't think there's anything

(44:35):
wrong with talking to them or asking them for favors
because they act on God's behalf. He created them for
that purpose. So I used to in my early faith,
I would have probably agreed and have said, no, you
should never pray to anyone but God. But the more
you read and dig into the scripture and you find

(44:56):
that these other beings are in place to help you,
that He created the hierarchy for that purpose. And you know,
it's kind of like in the family dynamic, your daughter's
not going to ask the dad about personal stuff that
women go through because he that's not his specialty. You know,
they're going to go to the mom. So to be

(45:18):
able to talk to Mary about things, Like we were
listening to a worship song in the car and I said, hmm,
I wonder what Mary. I wonder what she would say
about this song because it was saying, Oh, the wonderful Cross,
and like wonderful, you know, using it in the context
of being good like and and what Jesus did for

(45:40):
us is overarguingly good. But as a mother to have
to watch her son go through that on the cross, like,
I was like, hmm, I wonder if she would say
it was wonderful, you know, after sitting through it and
holding his broken body at the end. And so anyway
to go to someone who has a personal experience with

(46:02):
things that you might be going through and to ask
them for help, because I don't think when you die,
you just die and you're unavailable anymore. I don't believe
that that's true at all. And yeah, I think it's
a I think it's a beautiful thing to still talk
to them, to call them by name and remember them
and m I don't think you have to, but I

(46:23):
think if I crossed over, I would want people to
remember me and still talk to me.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure that's what they would say.
The Catholics or people who do that, who pray to
marry and stuff or pray to a saint, they have jobs,
you know, Yeah, the angels have they have jobs that
they do, and so I don't know, I don't like

(46:58):
I said, we don't really do it, but this is
interesting way to look at it. I've talked to enough
people through different religions and theological standpoints that like, I
see it the same way as a Christian would. A
Protestant Christian anyway, would like pray to the pray and use,

(47:22):
and me put it in their vernacula, pray and use
the different names of God. Jehovah, driver, you are my provider, right,
knowing that these different names of God are different titles
or aspects of the one God. And so I kind
of still see it. I kind of see the saint
thing that way and the helper thing that way. It's like,

(47:43):
you know, why would you know there's saints or angels
that are act as shields or act as protectors, right,
and you would incorporate that into your prayer. You would
incorporate that into your your vigil, same way most Christians

(48:03):
would use a different name of God, like a Hebrew name.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I kind of see it very similar. Yeah, me too,
the different archetype or characteristic. Let's see if there's any
other questions here that are Somebody said, this is an

(48:29):
interesting one. Noah's arc wasn't an arc. It was a
spaceship with DNA sample library of all the anile animals.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I mean, it sounds crazy, but I kind of have
wondered about that myself, you.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Know, mm hmm, yeah, could be I think, uh, I
think the Book of Incy kind of leans into that
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Ancient alien theories and stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, and there are other I can't remember which text
it is, but other texts that talks about the seed
banks in heaven, like that all the plants and all
of them, that there's a seed bank where all of
these things are held and protected from extinction.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yeah, it's interesting to think about mm hm that or
like the Pyramids or something could have been that that
they withstood the floods. Yeah, or you know, another interesting
way to look at us to look at the earth
as being that, Yeah, the Earth as being this place
that is preserved under an arc or in an arc,

(49:48):
which is what people say. We're under an arc, which
is the firmament or the dome that we're under. And
so the arc is that dome that it was in
its preserving the life that's within it. So the waters
can't overtake the waters above and the waters below. So
it makes perfect sense, and I think that, you know,
I think it is talking about that. I think the

(50:10):
Bible's multi dimensional, and it like approaches the same story
from many different aspects, either the same story or a
repeat of that story. So whether it was Noah's arc
or whether it was the creation of the world that
got you know, recreated in the beginning of Genesis, and

(50:30):
then this thing that kind of continues to happen because
it's the same wording. Then you know, the idea of
was Moses was born and put in an arc the basket? Yeah,
I think it's called an arc too. Yeah. Anyway, it's
just real, really interesting how the stories are like the

(50:52):
same story, just told from a different perspective and use
different different words.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, sounds crazy just to read it, but if you
actually look into it, it's not that crazy to imagine.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
A lot of there was a lot of comments. I
was surprised because sometimes we're posting, we don't get a
lot of questions. But it's a pretty good bit. People
talking about the anaki where do you go when you die?
Do you go straight to Hell or straight the heaven?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
And these are so deep they could be their own
entire podcast, just to such a broad topic.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Zach Harbin says, chesterdak In, the priesthood, garments, E five traditions,
et cetera, like that too, like so places you can
go with it.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I don't understand that enough. Just talk about it much, honestly.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
It is a little contrust kind of feel like nobody does.
But you know that's just me. Yeah, just because I don't,
I probably feel like people don't.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I'm not going to pretend that I do. I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
It's fun, come on, it's pretending.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
All right, Well, thanks for hanging out with us, ladies
and gentlemen again. If you would like to do this
again with us, If you'd like to hang out you
can go check out our Patreon or our community app
that we have. You can go to www dot cor
dot school. You can get tickets to come to the
retreat October second through the fifth Anderson, South Carolina. It's

(52:24):
going to be a lot of fun. The retreats are amazing,
so we'd love to see you there.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, And if you know you have a space that
you want us to come to all like, different state,
different area, keep us in mind and just shoot us
a message because we're always seeing you know where the
spirit wants to send us next, so we won't have
the next retreat on the books yet. And we're kind
of looking to see And so if you feel anything

(52:51):
or want us to come to your area, you.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Can let us know, talk to your pastor Phil, have
us out.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Don't don't do that.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Do it. Let me look into these guys a little bit.
Oh no, brother, I don't feel you should be watching
these guys. That guy is confused, Rob can, I pray
for you.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Thanks for hanging out, ladies and gentlemen. We'll do it again.
Love y'all.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
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