Cold Water Triggered My Trauma – But It Also Healed Me - Angel Encounters

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I believe that what yoga did for me that I
think maybe the church is afraid up? Am I allowed
to say that. I think it's it empowers you, like
it becomes an internal transformation. And in what my experience
with that more organized religion was that I needed this

(00:20):
external source to transform me. I couldn't do it on
my own, and I'm not on my own, but it
takes going inward and learning like why do I do
the things I do? Why do I react the way
that I do? Why don't I take better care of
my temple? What's stopping me from doing that? And sometimes
it is these belief systems that were planted in me
in the church, and that is we'll just pray about

(00:42):
it and take action, like there's more to it, and
it just stops it that we'll just pray about it.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Up. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Truth seeka in
Aaron Podcast. I'm true Siga. This is my lovely co.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Host, my wife Aaron.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Welcome guys. We got another show planned for you. It's
going to be fun. We got a guest in the studio,
good friend of ours. We're going to jump to that
here in a minute. But first, we want to tell
you about our upcoming retreat.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
So the upcoming retreat is coming in October October second
through the fifth. It's going to be in Anderson, South Carolina.
Tickets are up on seer dot school right now, and
we're going to be doing lots of fun things like
hanging out at the Circle of Stones in the forest.
We're going to possibly have a bonfire, lots of sound
baths and sacred sound immersion, lots of teaching, prophetic training,

(01:38):
and just fellowship and having meals together and doing life
together for about three days. It's going to be a
lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, they're always so much fun. And we're going to
be doing a concert. We'd like to end out with
a Troops Seeker and Aaron concert, and yeah, it's going
to be jam packed three and a half days. If
you guys are interested, South Carolina tickets are available. Tickets
are a four. Make sure you check it out because
they are going fast already. We wanted to get put
these out a little bit early so that people could

(02:06):
save up or whatever, but they are selling out quick,
so make sure that you go to www. Dot car
dot school get your ticket there. We'd love to see
you if you want to come to the forest and
kick it with some mystics, we love to have you.
Check it out.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, it's gonna be a good time.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
It's called reclaiming Eden, not necessarily going back, but bringing
to the future the beauty of unity and love and oneness.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
It's going to be fun.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
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Speaker 2 (03:17):
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Speaker 2 (03:33):
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Speaker 3 (03:37):
You did do a good job.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
So make sure you check it out. It's going to
be fun without further ado. You have someone in studio
a friend of yours.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
I have one of my dearest friends. We don't get
to see each other very often because life schedules, you know,
over the year's kids, but we've been friends for over
twenty years, which is pretty incredible. We've been on different
spiritual journeys together and not together, but always weaving back
together beautifully. And I just want to welcome my good

(04:07):
friend Chastity to the podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I want to come to the forest.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, come with us.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
It's gonna be awesome. He said. It's reclaiming Eden. I
love that so much. Yeah, yeah, they remember. I need
to be there, especially playing. And I don't know what
the circle of Stones is, but I want to see.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, it's it's super cool. It's a sacred circle that
This man.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Bill Walker.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Bill Walker, he's a farmer Assos. He works hard for
sustainable farming. And he was, I think, he said, just
riding through his property one day and he heard someone
call his name. He heard someone called Bill, and he
couldn't find anyone, and so he proceeded on and he
heard it again. He couldn't find who was calling his name,

(05:00):
and when he started asking.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Like, okay, well was that who was that?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Come to find out the stones on his property were
communicating with him, calling his name, and the ones that
called his name and the ones he felt led to
arrange into this circle on this sacred spot in the
forest that he's chosen.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Christopher Carter, one of I don't know what you.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Call him, he's a friend, mentor mystic.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Came out and helped arrange them according to the solstice
and everything so that when the light hits them on
the solstice, it shines a certain way. And it's just
this sight that he's put a lot of intention into
to become a sacred spot and prayer.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
And contemplation and you can feel it, like you feel
it when you when you go there, and it's amazing.
Like they're an older couple and he's like an old Christian,
you know, and so it's just cool that like he's
a mystic, but he's like, hey, this is like this
is something deeper that is calling out to us, and
like we don't care, you know, if you believe it

(06:08):
or not, but this is part of our spirituality and
and uh and they embrace it and it's just a
beautiful freaking spot.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
They invite us to take the labels away. And it's
all the same.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
They have like people come in trying to get them
to come to their church and stuff and uh, because
they're big in the community and so they have pastors
and stuff come out and meet with them while we
were there, and uh, and they're like, first things off
the table, how would your church feel about us talking
to stones? Oh, we're you know, we're we're open to it.
You know, Moses talk to the stone, you know, that
kind of thing. And they're just like, over, this is

(06:42):
pretty cool to see. We're more progressive. Yeah, but they
own their own their uniqueness and weirdness. And it's like,
that's freaking super commendable. Man.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
M I feel like that's that's real. So if you
step into your power and just say this is real
for me and this is my experience and I don't
need you to validate it, oftentimes people are like, oh,
well tell me more now. Now I want to know
more because you're not questioning. You don't need me to
tell you that it's real. So now I can lean
in and see what it's about and be curious. Whereas

(07:12):
if you come at them and you're unsure and they
can feel that energy, then they're like, oh well, let
me help you understand things that can be real.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, we want to talk about cold plunge therapy and
what you do. And you know, we've known you for
a long time, we've been friends, and so we've seen
your growth, You've seen ours come and go and ups
and downs and all kinds of you know, this roller
coaster we call life. Talk about like where like your beginnings,

(07:40):
where you came from, whether it's faith and belief and
those kind of things, to where you are today and
how that's grown or.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's a long journey, right. I mean when we met,
I believe I was. I think I was in the
Christian realm and dipping my toe into Messianic judy.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I think, I don't think that's probably even how we met.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think so and so a lot of structure and
like strict ideals and that kind of thing, and I
went through that and then back to Christianity and you know,
seeing what fit me and what didn't, and pretty much
just learned that I could take what resonated with me.
It really felt heart led over what my ego needed

(08:27):
to attach to to to fit in and then went
through twenty twelve just kind of waking up and realizing
that I didn't really fit into those paradigms anymore and
I could let them go, but with a lot of faith,
because it took a lot of I remember praying and

(08:48):
being like God, if if this is my path, if
I can let go of the fear of hell and
the fear of you know, burning forever. If I don't
do these things that I've thought I have to do
exactly this way, then what can I find? What will come?
And just please don't abandon me, like, let me have

(09:08):
this experience and get closer to God. And now my
idea around God has changed. But I do feel like
letting go of all of that fear set a foundation
for me to be able to have a connection to God.
Or what I say is, you know, energy is a

(09:30):
divine however you want to say it. And watched you
guys go through a lot of change a lot of
times online because we weren't in the same community, but
we would connect over the years and it was always
I was always super impressed with Aaron because I feel
like she's herself and she's not a pretender, and like

(09:50):
that always stood out to me a lot. I was
very aligned and inspiring because I did have that need
to feel validated early on, especially in faith. But you
were always just yourself and that was really helpful. So
thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
I do struggle, like I even said recently on our
zoom calls that we do with our little community. I
say that I don't care what people think, but a
part of me really does. So it's always still like
a constant pool and battle. But I think the part
of me that just says I'm just me, take it
or leave it winds usually.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. Well, and you were always so solid in your
connection to the earth and nature, and as you know,
that calls to me. I'm really connected to being in
the forest and that's where I go to have connection
with God and so being able to watch that in you.
I just told the story the other day because I

(10:49):
am so in love with the woods and the trees
and all the things. And if I go with someone
there was impressed that I know the names of these
trees and things and I'm not I'm just like I
love them. Yeah, and I got that from you and
I did that eleven mile hiking Blakely that one time,
and you knew so many names of trees, and I
went home it was like, I'm going to learn, I'm

(11:10):
gonna and so it was so inspired, and that's become
more of how I connect. Then I don't necessarily end
up in the four walls anymore. So yeah, So moving
on from that, I guess I found yoga as i've been.
I found yoga in twenty twelve. It started teaching or

(11:31):
went through my teacher training in twenty fifteen. That was
a year long, and then I just was hooked. So
I did a bunch of trainings and in that what
a lot of people don't know if they're not in
that practice, is that it's really a deep dive into yourself.
And so I learned a lot about myself that I
didn't know, and then learned how to love people better

(11:53):
than I ever had. And because you know, there are
people out there that'll tell you that yoga is demonic
and we're.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
In the South, that's the whole thing sounds so easy
and fun that every thing we're talking about, but we're
in like the Bible belt is crap. Was not easy
even just something that's simple as not at all practicing yoga.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I think that sometimes people don't believe us, like
because we jokingly like share memes and satire about yoga
being demonic, but it comes from a real place. Like
it you can attest to the fact that yoga is
not really received in really conservative areas here.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
But chicken dinner after the service is you know what
I'm saying, Like feasting and gorging yourself on fine meats
is you know. It's like anything to better yourself or
better your better the physical body. It's one thing that
it was weird that the church would demonize if you
try to take care of your temple, you know. But
but it seemed like they were forced, like spiritually bettering yourself,

(12:52):
which is maybe your ego, yeah, because you can't see it,
you know what I'm saying. And those things compliment each other,
which is what yoga, what yoga is, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, And I believe that what yoga did for me
that I think maybe the church is afraid up. Am
I allowed to say that?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I think it's it empowers you, like it becomes an
internal transformation. And in what my experience with that more
organized religion was that I needed this external source to
transform me. I couldn't do it on my own. And
I'm not on my own, but it takes going inward

(13:31):
and learning like why do I do the things I do?
Why do I react the way that I do? Why
don't I take better care of my temple? What's stopping
me from doing that? And sometimes it is these belief
systems that were planted in me in the church, and
that is we'll just pray about it, yeah, and take
action like there's more to it, and it just stops
it that we'll just pray about it. And so I

(13:53):
got a lot of pushback. I was I was kind
of the early in my little tone of still Alabama
was I'm also allowed to say that, sure I was
the first probably yogi that really like landed and spoke
loudly about it. And then I opened a yoga studio.
There was and it wasn't everywhere now right, No, Well,

(14:17):
I don't think they still don't have well, I.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Mean like from like Dafney Goingsores.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
They're a little bit more progressive. I think when I
opened my studio there was two yoga studios in Baldwin County,
which is the entire county, and they were closer to
the beach where there's people traveling from other places that
are more accepting, whereas in Robertsdale. I went to the
zoning commission to get the studio opened and they were like,

(14:45):
what is it? What are you going to do? Are
you going to be performing?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
And I'm like, who do y'all pray to.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
What I did? I have pastors come into my studio
and question me and asked me what religion I was teaching.
I had people would come in and be like, I
don't want any of this loose stuff. I just want
to move my body. And I would say, I just
meet you where you are. I don't need to know
what you believe, like this is about you. And and
even that can be triggering to somebody in that religious

(15:14):
community because they're like, oh, it's not about you, It's
got to be about God. And I'm like, funny, thing
is that's one. I'm the same because I got to
know me before I can know God. Like that's what
I learned through It was I love. I don't know
who says it, and you guys may but they say
like God found the perfect place to hide, which is
in the heart, because then we have to go and
do the work in order to find God. And that's

(15:38):
basically what I did. But I will say that it
was very challenging having the studio in roberts Dale, having
so much pushback all the time. I tried to have
a big yoga class in the park once and I
was shot down by the city because I'd go to
the city council and ask permission and they're like, oh, no,
we don't think.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
So why not have a cookout?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Is that you can you can do it?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah. And I will say, and not in judgment, but
one of the people that shot it down the fastest
was a pretty large individual who was like, I don't
even know what yoga is, but I know that we're
not supposed to be doing it, and like this is
the city council. So that was a really fun experience.

(16:24):
It grew me a lot because I did find myself
pulling back in my practices and not sharing them as openly.
At that point in my life, I was younger, still
like really learning how to step into my power. And
then from that because I did pull back, it like
shot me forward. Whereas like when I left that studio,

(16:45):
while I left with a health concern, and whenever we
had to close, I came back and I was like,
I'm not going to do that anymore. I'm not going
to shut this part of me down, because what I
saw was when I did step in authentically, it just
like we were saying before, it pulls people into the
people that need it, are ready for it, are going
to find you. And then you have a much bigger impact.

(17:07):
When you be yourself and you're trying to fit the
narrative of a town that you don't fit in anymore,
you don't reach the people that need you. And so
that was the lesson. And then I went into the
community and started teaching in different studios and doing That's
about the time that the sister circles started. So I

(17:27):
do these women empowerment. I call them sacred circles. So
we get together and remember what it's like to be
in community with other women and be supportive and not
gossipy and see the truth of that all these other
women or people it could ass have to be women,
but are walking through things as well, Like none of

(17:50):
us are perfect, none of us are We're all human
and we need each other. We need to be truthful
with each other that we are going through things. And
this is the everybody's looking for ascension, but they want
to skip the rooting down part. Like we need to
root into our humanness and accept it and love it fully,
just as Jesus loved us fully to be able to

(18:13):
then rise. And I think that's what came from or
that's what has come and still coming from these women's circles,
is that humanness, like giving women the permission to be
in their essence and to be fully seen in it
and heard in it and accept it in it. So
that has become a big part of my journey. Doing

(18:34):
these women's circles is super dear to my heart. And
Aaron joined me for one recently and it was beautiful.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, it was super eye opening for me. Like I
even shared some I shared some really deep personal things
that were coming up for me during the circle. But
like I found it strange that I was sitting in
this circle of women and like having had passed things
where I would say abuse from you know, the male sex,

(19:06):
I would say it would be scarier to sit in
a circle full of men than it would women, but
like to sit in a circle full of women terrified me.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
And I was so surprising that that feeling came up.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
And it's so important when you have these emotions and
these feelings like to be present enough in your body
that when they come up, you can sit with it
and kind of ask like, Okay, well what is this,
where is this coming from, and what is it trying
to teach me?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
And to sit with those feelings and do that, it's
so powerful.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Our daughter is going through a lot of stuff right now,
and I was just trying to encourage her to find
some kind of ceremony, like because right now, all over
YouTube and everything, people are talking about ayahuasca and psilocybin
and all these things that can be really good, but.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
It's just not necessary.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
There's so many beautiful things that you can sit with ceremonially,
even just your emotions or other women or.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Music or yoga that shows.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
You a lot about your journey and maybe where to
shift some things or how to get some healing in
some areas. So yeah, like I was blown away how
powerful it was just to sit with emotion and with
honesty in a group of women.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
It was incredible.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, the vulnerability is medicine and then being we call
it sacred circles, and I stop calling it safe circles
because I'm like our safe space, because you can't speak
to the safety of every single person there, especially as
they grow. But I can ask for people to honor
the sacredness, and what happens is really beautiful because my

(20:51):
experience has been that these women really show up and
when one of us shares in our vulnerability, it lets
everybody else go like I can't too. I can also
share and what you're saying as far as needing a
ceremony or a ritual, those tools of plant medicines are
so beautiful. But if you don't have these rituals or

(21:14):
these things that like ground you into your daily life,
then you can go do all the plant medicine you want,
and you're going to come back to chaos. You really
need a daily or a weekly or, in the case
of these circles, a monthly check in somewhere that you
can really sit and be okay with yourself and know,
you know, like all of these emotions are okay. I

(21:36):
can feel all of it. I have the capacity to.
I can be here for myself and I can also
let other people be here for me, which is really
the triggering part of the women's is showing up being
vulnerable and then trusting that somebody's not going to judge
you or roll their eyes or gossip or whatever. And
what I see happen is there's a lot of eye
contact and this woman sharing something deep and three other

(21:59):
women or tearing up and being like, oh me too,
Like I also have felt insecure about this thing where
you know, I'm also struggling with my own worth and
thank you, thank you so much for like giving me
the permission to say that out loud. And that's part
of the sister circles is speaking things out loud. We
don't all have a space where we can say things

(22:21):
out loud, and so we keep them in and we've
been taught that that's strength and reality. It takes so
much more strength to own our vulnerability. And this is
part of the essence that I speak of, is like
stepping into that space of going this is how I'm
feeling right now, and I'm okay. I don't need you
to validate it, but I am okay with sharing with
Jesus is how I feel. And people just really do

(22:44):
respond much better than you think they will because they
love to see the humanness. We're really not above being human,
None of us are. It's just like pretense of you
act like that. But so that really leads me into
into the ice baths as cold plunging. In twenty twenty two,

(23:07):
we went through my family and I went through a
really hard time and it was just a year of
a lot of downwards spiraling. And I had all these
tools that I had been developing for years, and they
definitely kept me above water, but barely. And I went

(23:27):
to my first cold plunge with this guy justin Nut
out of Pensacola. He's incredible. Recommend him to anybody that's
in that area to at least experience. He's very based
in the science of it, and that helps if you're
especially if you're nervous and you're like, am I going
to live through this? Yes, cold water's scary for some
of us. But I had planned to go with my

(23:49):
good friend Aaron Hudson, and my grandmother died the day
before and I was holding her hand when she passed,
and that was a gift, but it was a great
excuse to cancel an icebath like I was like, hmm,
I don't really have to do this, and nobody is
going to hold me accountable if I say, you know what,

(24:09):
I'm just sad I can't go. But my nanny is
what I called her. She would always say like, you're
always doing this crazy stuff, and so I'm like, I
have to go do this crazy thing because she was
always so blown away by me being wild and wanting
to try these new things. And so I went. We
did an hour of breath work beforehand, which I've done

(24:31):
a lot of breath work through yoga as far as pranayama,
but I had not experienced the whim Hoff breathing and
that's what Justin teaches before he does ice baths, and
so that was a new experience for me. And then
we got into the cold tub and I lasted a minute,
which we usually do about two and a half of
regulation didn't last that long. I jumped out and I

(24:54):
was like, oh my god, you guys are crazy. I'm
never doing this again. This is wild. But experience that
with me four months and I couldn't get it out
of my head, and like something happened in the tub,
like I was able to like experience this hard thing
and it brings you. I tell people all the time,

(25:14):
you can't when you get into a cold plunge, you
can't be anywhere else. It brings all of you into
the tub. And so if your mind's just wandering or
it's out there, you get into the tub and it
just like everything right here. And we need that, We
need to come home to ourselves more often than we do.
And so that's what I think the tub does for people.

(25:34):
And so I ended up going to all these community
events and met an incredible tribe over in Pensacola that
really got me through some hard times just knowing them
and being inspired by them and then somehow like through
fate and things that you know, couldn't make sense if

(25:55):
you didn't believe in fate. I ended up with a
partnership with the lady from Canada and we opened Beyond
the Plunge where we do contrast therapy. So we do
one hundred and seventy eight degree sauna. It's a fifteen
person sauna. You sit in there for fifteen to twenty minutes,
you come out, you go through a quick rent, you
get into a cold tub for two and a half

(26:15):
to five minutes, depending on you always started two and
a half and it's anywhere from forty five to fifty
degrees and you come out transformed. And that's basically. I
could go on about the physical benefits of this, but
I feel like it's there's so much information, it's saturated

(26:36):
that you can find it. But what I would talk
about that I think is most important is the transformation
that happens when you learn how to regulate your own
nervous system. Because we are walking around in a world
where there's not a lot of nervous system regulation. People
are very reactive. We tend to a feeling comes up
and we don't know what to do with it, so

(26:57):
we create a story. Right, So, oh, you looked at
me that way, you must not like me. There must
be something, you know. There's all this thing that happens,
and we get dysregulated and we're not even living with
what's in front of us or making eye contact for
so busy up here, And the cold plunging brings you
back home to your body, and I feel like it

(27:22):
reminds you of what's important, and then you go, oh,
I can breathe through this for two and a half minutes.
When I go out into public and this person cuts
me off or runs into me in the grocery store
and looks at me weird. I can just take a breath.
I don't have to create a whole story about it
and then carry them with me for the rest of

(27:42):
my day thinking about how I should have handled it differently,
which is just a very gentle example of what we do.
But that is the reality is a lot of us
are not living in our bodies. We are living in
our minds. And my mind is taking us into the
future or into the past. And I think that cold
plunging helps you to live present.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, I think women and men have been taught not
to be in their bodies, Like women are just emotional
because of their cycle, Like you're just maybe you're just menstruating,
is why you're acting this way, you know, like ridiculous
things that we've heard over the years. And then the men,
especially here in the South, like you just got a

(28:25):
tough up. You don't men don't cry, you know, be strong.
And there's so much beauty and power in the authenticity.
Like how when you were talking about the vulnerability and
how people lean into that, it's because I don't think
that they see it much like we're taught to be

(28:46):
something else other than what we are, and that authenticity
is rare, and so when people see it something, a
light bulb goes off.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's like, oh, this is rare.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I need to pay attention, ask some questions. But like,
our emotions and our bodies are intertwined with our spirit
and our spiritual walk and they're not.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Separate at all.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
We've, like you were saying, like in church, you're kind
of taught that the body is evil, the flesh is evil,
and the spirit is what's holy. And so we connect
in the spirit. But the body gets no work, it
gets nothing, And God created our bodies as a home
and a temple for our spirit.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Like it's so beautifully.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Connected, and we've ignored this part for so long. And
now I think I think that the veil is thinning
enough that people are realizing how important our physical body is,
that it's an antenna to the spirit realm, and I
think people are waking up to it more now.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
But I love that.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
I remember I couldn't I couldn't do even a cold shower,
like I would hyperventilate physically. Couldn't do a cold shower
for so long and I didn't understand it. I was like, oh, well,
I guess I just that's not for me.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, people say, oh I just don't like coals.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, it's like hmm.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Or you don't know what it's like to be in
your body and that's very uncomfortable, right.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
You can't sit with discomfort of any kind. You have
to run from it and hide from it. Bury it like.
But I went through this, this healing experience, and then
after I realized the body and spirit connection is so
strong and my body was really trying to protect me
by turning into this hard shell and rejecting anything uncomfortable

(30:38):
because it felt like I couldn't take anymore.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
And that first time I tried to do the cold
shower after, I was like, this isn't even hard, Like
it's so easy. I can't I've just mind blown.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
I couldn't believe that I couldn't physically do it before
and like, so we were able to come and do
the contrast therapy and to get in that tub, like
for me is such a victory because there was a.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Time when my body would not allow me to do it,
like it totally ruled what I did. The uncomfortability of it.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
So like it just feels like a huge victory when
I can get in there and sit and.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I think I went for five minutes. I'm gonna brag you.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
You did. And I think too, the body speaks through sensation.
My business partner, Tammy, she says this a lot, and
it's really stuck with me because it's true. And so
when we avoid sensation, we're avoiding living from that place
of full connectivity to the body. And again, I mean
everybody has heard now the body keeps the score, and

(31:44):
so in that there's a lot of things that come
up when you do finally let the body speak, and
sometimes those things are very uncomfortable. I will say I
don't I don't always like to say this because I
think it kind of freaks people out, But I will
say that sometimes we put people in the tub and
you see trauma come through their eyes and it's like

(32:08):
something that's that's been pressed, it's like been suppressed inside
of them. And then that shock, the nervous system is
completely activated, and sometimes it makes you like suck your
breath in and in that moment, often when you do
experience some kind of trauma, that's the same response you
have are you and you hold and that's of course

(32:29):
cold water makes you want to do the same thing,
and so when the body has that very similar reaction,
it brings it up to the surface. And this is
where we call runners. Like they get in the tub
and they're like oh, and then they're out and we
have to kind of like walk them back into it
and we do breath work to help them stay in
the tub. And this is I think breath connects you
to your body. And so a lot of people that

(32:50):
are living mostly in the mental state, if you pay
attention to, their breath is very shallow, or they're breathing
into the chest and they're breathing down into the diet
or the belly, and so they're they're in that way
cut off from breath, earn from the body, from a
deep experience in their own body. And this is what

(33:11):
we get to do, Like, this is such a gift
to me to walk people through this every day. That's
where I was before I came here today. It's like
getting to watch people get in that tub and make
it through that first forty five seconds where there breath
is all that they have to anchor them into that moment,
and there's so much presence because you can't be anywhere
else that it's uncomfortable. And I'm watching them get through

(33:33):
that and have the victory of Oh I made it,
you know, and you see their body shift. We call
it the turnover. But they'll like they get really activated
and their body tenses up and they and we go, hey, hey, hey,
like let's breathe, let's bring it back and like breathe
into your nose and out of your mouth, and like
we use if you release your job, I mean, if

(33:53):
you do it right now, your whole body has a
little bit of a relaxation, and so it's working with
the nervous system instead of against it. And when you
tense up and you're white knuckling any situation in life,
you're not working with your nervous system. You're just like,
let me get through it. And the nervous system remembers
that and it becomes a muscle memory. So in the tub,
every time you return and you soften and you're able

(34:15):
to do it a little faster and you're able to
connect to the body a little bit more and say,
I know this sensation, Oh I can allow this sensation.
I don't have to run from it. Then you're a
little bit more connected, a little bit more whole. Right,
you're part the body is a part of your wholeness.
It was given to us as a gift a temple.
Like Derek said, sorry, Jusika. Yeah, so I feel like

(34:44):
it's you know, mind, body spirit, and the mind has
given it's taken over. And even in the church when
they say you said the spirit is exalted or the
thing that we chase after. But reality is, if you
pay attention, those people are actually living in the mind.
It's an idea of spirit. Yeah, they're not actually embodying

(35:07):
the essence of their spirit. And what happens is they
give an idea of what it's supposed to look like,
and they chase that and they try to live from
that idea and not actually embody what it is that
that feels like to them. And this is where we
get really disconnected. And so yeah, I get I go
on little tangents I love.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, I think they're supposed to compliment one another, you know.
And I just I was looking at the scripture a
while ago. I was looking forward to first John, third John,
chapter one, verse two. It says beloved I wish above
all things that thou wist may prosper and be in

(35:48):
health even as thy soul prosper. So it's like you
know that you your body would prosper, you would be
in health even as your soul to prosper. It's like
you know, the Church which was like they you know,
they're they're for the soul, you know, and but it's both.
Even in this prayer, it's like talking about you know,
taking care of the body and training the body. The

(36:10):
body profit is some it helps, but also the spirit.
So when you can do both and then find connections,
because what we're finding is that everything is connected. There's
not like every physical activity has some kind of spiritual
component to it and vice versa. You know, every spiritual

(36:31):
component has some type of physical benefit. You know, whether
we're talking about fasting, it's something that you're doing physically
that it gets down to you know, spiritual problems and
roots and stuff, but it's rooted in something within the
physical body, some type of vice or temptation and things
that we kind of can get through. But it's always
said that you know, we talk about like you can't

(36:53):
really get into the these divine virtues that everybody wants
until you deal with the vice. But some of these
things that have this physical stimulation allows you to unlock
the vice, to be able to lean into the vice.
Whether it's even just what you're talking about, like escapism
that we have so many things out here that you know,

(37:15):
can distract us even in the imagination, can be this
way of you know, escaping and not being present in
these situations and circumstances where we could just run from relationships, friendships, jobs, whatever,
versus like sticking it out and learning. You know, why
is it psychle repeating because it's going to continue repeating

(37:36):
if you don't, you're going to keep running no matter
where you are anytime. And you can and we've you know,
we live in a culture where it's getting easier to
create these little vacuums and stuff of just people that
tell us what we want to hear and versus like
looking at your stuff and doing the work, which is
you know what Christ. Christ is about, like doing the

(37:56):
hard work and showing up and holding your hand through
the freaking process. So it's cool that you're doing it,
and it's it's something that's very physical or very spiritual
or I yeah, that's where you are. It's like, yeah,
I like it when you can connect it, but you're
still cool to hold space for the people who may
be doing it just for physical reasons and not even

(38:17):
aware of the you know, the the deeper lying benefits
that they're going to get from it. Because I know
when we were there, there was a there was a
guy there who you could tell it wasn't his first time,
and I just just by listening to him sound like
he was losing weight, he was getting his life back
together on track just by just hearing a few things
he was saying that this was like he found some

(38:38):
some like really useful benefits from this that he was
now addicted to, and he knew it was making them
better putting himself in hard situations that uh, you know,
it makes it easier to, like you said, to deal
with hard stuff out in the world if you can
put yourself in those situations. And this is nothing, and
this is how I start my day. You know what

(38:58):
else can you throw at me that's worse than that?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Exactly that? And I would say too, as far as
like leaving the physical out of it is not really
you can't disconnect. You can't disconnect this fear from the physical.
That's intentional, that's our design. And I think that it's
just like if you have something going on in your body,
like a foreign object has gotten lodged in your skin,

(39:22):
what the body does is go and send all the
white cells like I'm going to go and attack this thing.
I'm gonna heal it. Well. The rest of the body
then suffer, suffers, or doesn't get the same attention that
it could to operate fully. Yeah, and so it's the
same thing. If you are trying to operate just in
the spiritual or just in the mental, you're not giving

(39:46):
the attention to the body, and it's suffering. It's not
able to come online and give you the sensations to say, hey,
something's off here. Because this is another thing. Because our
body is an antenna to the energy around us as well.
I can feel when something is off around me, and
nothing would make sense for me to be able to
feel that, but I can feel it. And the more
I trust it, the more I realize that my body

(40:08):
is so sensitive. And these practices help me to holne
that sensitivity because it used to be and still I
guess I live in a bubble of this world. But
that's a bad thing. Oh that person cries easy, they
must be you know, or oh they can't handle like
loud noises or whatever. And the reality is a lot
of time when you can't you're overstimulated. It's because you

(40:30):
are feeling something and you don't know how to label it,
or you don't trust your body enough to trust it
to trust the feeling that's coming in. And so I
guess I feel like that's the same thing as being
too mental or too obsessed with the spiritual, which again
is an idea. It's not the actual spirit in the body.

(40:51):
It does take away from your body's ability to speak
to you and give you the sensation that you need.
And yeah, I definitely use this practice on a spiritual
level too. But what's so beautiful is that we do have.
When I had a yoga studio, and I've helped open
a couple other ones that are taught at other ones,
and I love, love, love yoga studios. They're always going

(41:14):
to be home to me. But what we have that's
a little different is that people are coming from all
walks of life. So I have construction workers and doctors
and people just writing lawyers, whatever. It is, just people
from every single walk of life that come in the door,
and they're doing what you're saying, like, oh, I just
I'm really looking to lose weight. Okay, Oh I'm looking

(41:35):
to tone up this because there is some benefit there physically,
I'm looking to tone up Okay. I'm just looking for
like a decompressor or just needs somewhere to go after work, okay.
And then what happens is we walk them through the breath,
we get them in the tub, there's that moment of
oh my god, what am I doing? This is crazy?

(41:56):
And then they settle in. And our biggest thing at
our studio is community. So our tubs are out in
the open, so when you're plunging, other people are around,
and at versus can seem intimidating, but then after a
few times you're like, oh my gosh, I love the community.
You see these people just talking to each other, They're
talking about their own wellness, and then it gets a

(42:16):
little deeper, and then it gets a little deeper, and
like this just continues to happen. And so you have
these people that are coming in for just this physical reason.
Oh I have inflammation in my body. The doctor said
this might be good for me, I'm just gonna try it.
I don't know. You guys are kind of crazy. And
then third or fourth visit, they're just like, so, tell
me about this yoga class, or so, what was breathwork?

(42:37):
What does that even mean? I breathe every day And
they're just curious. But they have the space to be
curious without being judged. Right, Like, if you're out in
the world and you live in a world that doesn't
do these practices, it's wu wu it's weird. It's oh,
you're hanging out with the hippies. But when you come
in and you're accepted for wherever you're at in your walk,
but we go like, cool, yeah, come toin us breathwork.

(43:00):
You know, there's no judgment, there's no oh, you need
to be further on this path to join us. You know,
we just love you and like, oh my gosh, I'm
so glad you're here. And we really are so glad.
We love love the people that come into the city,
We love everybody. Really, I've this has been me, I
told Aaron at the Women's Circle, Like, I think I've
always been a little much for you because I've always

(43:21):
loved you so much, and I see you, and I'm
just like, ah, Aaron, but this is my energy towards
people coming to the studio too, because it's just who
I am. And I think that's felt right, Like there's
a realness in loving people and you just want to
see them you're getting better or doing better. It doesn't
have to look like anybody else's. It's just your path

(43:42):
and when you have a place to be curious about that,
and then you get to be curious and it stops
being like what is everybody going to think about me?
To how do I feel about this? How does this
feel in my body?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:53):
This actually feels really good?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
We love that with our retreats and stuff because I
mean they're few and far between, you know, we do
them every every couple of months or so. But uh,
but we it's the same feeling, like just being able
to meet with people. We meet weekly with people online too,
so there's that, but it's it hits different like you know,
doing life for like a couple of days and people

(44:17):
from all walks of life, you know, all backgrounds to
get together and then you know they're they're able to
able to be themselves in the safe It is a
taker space because it's safe, like you said, and and
and see conversations and them just talking about stuff and
just doing life, and it's and then to know that
you had some kind of you know, hand in on

(44:39):
putting this together and creating this space for people to
come together, it's a big deal too. And uh, I
mean we just we just love seeing people wherever they
are and meeting them, and there is you know, they
probably feel the inner dialogue and questions that count them
out not as far along as as you are. And
this person is more spiritual and he has to dres

(45:00):
locks in the tattoos, and this person looks more spiritual,
but in reality, you know, the person that's real, meek
and humbling down to earth, you know, just as spiritual,
you know, and just as far along on their walk.
And it doesn't it doesn't matter. Yeah, But to be
able to host a space like that where people come together,
it is awesome, whether you're doing it at the studio

(45:21):
or the retreats, and you're doing all of it too,
so so cool.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, the holding space piece of it. I went to
this retreat called Heal the Healers back in December, and
I didn't fully appreciate what I've developed as far as
being able to hold space for people. It even sounds
weird to say. It sounds like it. I don't mean
it that way, but I was able to facilitate some
space holding, which was just creating, first of all the

(45:48):
sacredness talking about what it means to hold space for someone,
like not listening to respond and really letting someone have.
I say, someone gets some more, that's okay. We don't
need to rush in to save them. Maybe they don't
have anywhere else. They get to be emotional, and then
you just get to sit with that. And this is

(46:08):
like I always say, like tears are cleansing. So then
people like to pick on me and say Trusty makes
people cry and like, but it's so good, why wouldn't you?
But this like teaching people how to hold space, it's
not about me. I'm not doing anything. I'm just showing them, like, hey,
you know what feels really good, because when somebody holds
s face for you, let me show you what it
feels like. And then they turn around and go, oh

(46:30):
my gosh, I want to hold space for somebody too,
And it's just this ripple effect and other people are like, oh,
I can be my whole self and somebody's gonna love
me that way, and somebody's gonna like really see me
and accept that, and that ripples. That causes an effect
where people go, oh, like I can be loved, I

(46:50):
can be myself because when you're busy putting on a mask,
which is basically the thing that distracts the body, right, Like,
you're so busy wearing that mask that you or you
can't focus on who even am I? What do I?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
How do I feel? Right? You're so like, especially if
you were raised in a way that many of us were,
we were told how we feel stop crying? That doesn't hurt? Yeah? Yeah,
like what are what are you mad about? You? Does
she say that?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
No? She went to a doctor and she had she
had a little surgery. It was like hurt in her
and it wasn't supposed to. Like she didn't say, well,
you should have said something if it hurt. It's like anyway, yeah,
she wasn't. She didn't speak up when it hurt, but
they told her it wasn't going to hurt.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
So it was like this expectation, I can't say it
hurts because supposed to exactly and getting clear on that
getting like learning to use your voice. This is something
we talk about at the Sisters circles too, is like
how often are you speaking what you actually feel? And
this goes deep because in relationship it's like, are you

(47:59):
able to say I felt jealou? Are you able to
say I felt insecure? Or do you go I'm not
supposed to feel that way. This is silly. I shouldn't
feel that way. They're not actually doing anything, so I'm
not going to bring it up. But if you do,
what happens your partner gets to look at you and go, oh,
I didn't know you felt that way, like and reassure
you and then you're closer. But it's like being brave

(48:22):
enough to say I feel this way and even knowing
yourself well enough to not create a story but go, oh,
this is jealousy. That's silly, And I'm gonna tell them
that's not easy. Yeah, and this is life, And like,
I support creating community where we can all do this
with each other. And again I think maybe I, by

(48:43):
living that way, create a bubble around me. And because
I do get to be in the studio so much,
I'm like creating an atmosphere that's supportive of that, and
I feel so good in it that I get to
go out into the world and I'll say these things
and people can look at me like I'm crazy and
it doesn't bother me. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I love
it me.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah. But it also sounds like you're still like self
aware that you're not gas lighting or projecting on people either,
because you know that you're in a position where a
bubble that you get to do this because we are too,
you know, and we talk like this is our new
normal and it's not everybody's. But it can be like
if that's what you want, you know, whether it is

(49:22):
a job where you get to help people and show
up and help people all day, like that's a like
if you desire that, that's a great thing to desire,
and many people do you know, how do I manifest that?
How do I bring it into my reality? But still
sharing but not gas lighting, you know what I'm saying,
Because we don't want to feel Maybe we're just harder
on ourselves to make sure that we don't do that.

(49:44):
Maybe people don't, you know, feel like you do. But
I'm always like I want to make sure that I
don't and i want to because I know what it's
like not to be here. You know what I'm saying,
and I want to make I want to whatever I do,
I want to make sure that it feels like it's
it's a bridge if you want want it, because when
I was on that other side, I wanted it like
I wanted the game plan. I wanted you to show

(50:07):
up and hold my hand through it and show me.
You know what I'm saying, and uh, but you can
like overdo it. I feel like I don't know, it's
a fear. I'm sure you know what it is like
you're just doing too much. I don't want to go
that far with you know kind of thing was like
I did. I needed well and you get.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Somebody who was safe enough that didn't gas like you,
that you felt comfortable enough to follow or to say, hey,
show me the way, and that that takes somebody that
doesn't gas like you. I do catch myself. I have
to like catch myself because I've been called intense and
especially with eye contact and realize that.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Just too much. Man, you're looking at my soul. I
think Aaron got that recently.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I've seen Aaron grow in that it'll do that to you,
but I think think the what you're saying is really
important because yeah, and and not just that, like even
the way that you speak being so direct I have
I can see people like physically like oh yeah, and

(51:12):
I go, oh absolutely, that's my bad. But I if
I get really passionate, I can go hard on the
like but you gotta feel this, you know. And there
are certain people that are like.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Do you see yourself in them when you do that? Like,
because I know I do.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It's like if you're me and you say you want this, Okay,
this is what you gotta do, and you're like, okay,
give it to me, and they're just like, what the.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, because not everybody is as and then mean or
they don't. Some people don't want it.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah they don't mean it. They want the benefit with
I put in the work.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah, well they don't understand. I don't even think it's
that they don't want to put in the work. I
try to give a lot, like I think they don't.
If you see somebody's already there and you're here and
you're like I want to get over there, but you
don't know how many steps it takes to get there.
You're just like no, no, no, tell me the short
like I just want to get there. I just want
to be there, and it's like, oh no, you got
to peel back the layers and like pull all the stuff,

(52:05):
and it's not always fun. And so I think that's
important too, is to be like it's not butterflies and
rainbows like you think it is. It's work. It's being accountable.
It's catching yourself and being humble enough to apologize when
you need to apologize, and realizing you're not always right
and that your experience is yours, but theirs is theirs,

(52:27):
and respecting that. My son recently we were having a
moment and he said, you always want to make me
see my part and I was like, well, yeah, of
course I do. He's like, not everybody works like that,
mom not every And he came back right later and
was like, I'm actually really glad for the way that
you teach me this and talk to me. And but

(52:49):
he was in that moment just overwhelmed because I wouldn't
let the victim story land. And this is my child.
So I'm going to talk to him more directly and
I'm going to be more like it. And that was
what was happening. I was like, okay, well, you wouldn't
be here if this, this, and this had not happened.
But if you had communicated this way, then this, and
he's like stop, like I don't want to see all

(53:11):
of this, and.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I did.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I ended up saying I'm so sorry, But in the moment,
I was just like, why wouldn't you want to see?
If you can see these things, then you get to
be accountable, which makes you able to create your world, right,
Like these things that you're complaining about, would it exists
if you were being accountable for these things that have
led you here? And I mean that with everything in

(53:35):
my soul. But I cannot always be so direct and
so intense about it. And I'm learning. I feel like
I'll always be learning, So there's no me down the
path that's like, oh, let me show you the way.
It's usually people like, hey, can you show me? And
I'm like, I, man, you can walk with me. I
don't know. I'm not saying that I went the right way,

(53:56):
but I went away. And I've always been traveling and
always been pushing to go further. But sometimes that way
isn't pretty, it's messy, it's mistakes, it's owning the mistake,
is making amends. So it's not all like, oh yeah,
I'm on some pedestal and you should join me here,
Like not at all. It's actually I'm on the ground

(54:17):
next to you. That's walk hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Yeah, we gotta try. I got to destroy that a lot.
I think this podcast does that for me a lot. Now.
I try to do that being silly and just seeing
the silly side of me that comes out versus just
in interviews and stuff, because like, you know, you need
to get off the pedestal, you know, it's just I
don't want to be beyond on it. It's like people

(54:39):
put you on it, especially if you're doing this kind
of content. All you put out is spiritual content you
don't put out. They just think that this is what
you do all day and they meet you in person
and it's like, well, you know, you might get something
that you might not.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yeah, things so well, and being silly and having fun
as part of the journey. If we're just trying to
it becomes a mask. Like if we're just trying to
be all the time.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Oh, don't get me wrong. The silly is a mass too.
It's a mass that I love and I frequent and
it serves me and it serves everybody.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Is it a mask that helps you to I'm turning
the podcast round. Is it a mass that helps you
to feel more comfortable in your skin? Is that what
you mean?

Speaker 2 (55:20):
It does a lot of things I don't know about
making me feel more comfortable. Sometimes can make me feel
more safe and like h But I guess it's a
rule of even comedy though, of like being able to
cut through a tense situation with a pun or a
joke and now everybody's angry, but now they're laughing. You know,

(55:40):
you're about to get a whipping, but now your mom's
laughing at you, or you're about to get beat up
at school, now the bully's laughing. Like I definitely coming
up that way, but also just knowing what it feels to,
you know, go have a hard time, and then knowing
what comedy and laughter does. Laughter is a medicine, so
to make people around me, you know, laugh and stuff.
So it's just been a I'll go to my whole life.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
That's beautiful. I don't that doesn't feel like a masked
I feel.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
It's just a part of me. It's just a part
of me that not everybody gets to see, you know,
unless you know me, Unless you know me, I'm always
making myself the butt of joke or making fun of her.
I'm now making fun of her, and she's like, I
think she can handle it a little bit now, a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
She's like, really, sometimes, hey, I do. I feel like
the same, especially if people following me on social media
and they're like, oh, you must be real serious, and
then they meet me, They're like, you're not serious at all.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I am often playing. I'm in the studio when people
are in the time and I'm like dancing, turning on
like silly music or making jokes about whatever they're talking about,
and the same cutting through the tension. And sometimes it's
just that it's like this is part of holding space,
like oh, you're so upset right now, angry or whatever.

(57:01):
Can you see the humor and where we're at, like
because we all just It's my my favorite quote is
life is too sure to be taken so seriously. Yeah,
and I don't know who's at it.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Jesus probably that's.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Coming straight from Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's I think that
being silly as a relational skill, and it also speaks
to your nervous system, like I am in this moment,
and I can remember that this moment is not permanent,
and we don't have to stay stuck in it. We
don't have to unpack and live here. We can just
have the moment and the move on because it doesn't
need to be stretched any further. And that's important.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I mean, look at like plant medicine and stuff and
mushrooms or things or pot or something like that where
people get high or eat mushrooms and it's very healing, right,
it's help you work through some shit, but you're laughing
through it. It'll help you like laugh through it. And
there's something that that laughter is a medicine even and

(58:00):
charismatic church circles, there's this a place where people get
to like a static laughter and a static joy. And
some people from a distance can mock that. And he's
just there. They're too playful or why they're laughing, that's
not holy. But you don't know when the last time
this person has laughed. You don't know the last time
this person had a smile on their face, And like,
who are you to judge? You know these these people

(58:22):
in the way that they you know, find healing and
experience God. So in this place we are now, it's
like to appreciate God and healing and love like no
matter how it comes, as long as it's coming, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
After actually, yeah, so it's just beautiful.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, just you know, being along for the ride and
for the journey and you know, seeing how it served
me or seeing how it could hurt you to you
know what I'm saying. If you if you use anything
as a crutch or whatever, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Use humor to hurt someone else's expense, that's not cool.
But if you can just help people find the humor
in their suffering, because it's for me personally, there was
some suffering that didn't have humor, and there's some suffering
where I clung too hard and then the humor is
what helped me to break out of that. And so yeah,
it's medicine. Like you said, sometimes the most spiritual thing

(59:13):
you can do is have fun. It's not all about it.
And that's the thing is like think about dancing, Ecstatic dancing,
not the practice of exciting, but when you just feel
it in your body and you're moving and how you're
actually moving energy, that's in your body and say you've
had a heavy week and then you turn on a
song and it like it moves you. The body's like

(59:33):
I want to move. This goes back to if I'm
connected to my body and I feel that sensation of
wanting to move, and I start to dance and I
listen to that, then all that energy that was heavy
through the week gets to move through me and maybe
even out of me, and then I get to share
that with my kids. Now, feel me being lighter and
I can play with them. And it's medicine.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
It's not all serious, y'all host that at your studio, right,
just that a dance or.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Dance. We are doing contrast house parties now, which is
basically the same thing. It's just not structured, so we're
not saying like, okay, close your eyes and coming to
this bit. We're doing like the music song do you
want to move?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
And then do you want to get in the sauna
or do you want to get in the cold? Plunge?
And everybody just gets to move and it's so much fun,
Like it's beautiful because everybody's cheering on the plungers while
they're dancing. This last one we had this DJ and
he was amazing, and so everybody's like dancing over here,
and then like going in the sauna and like dancing

(01:00:33):
in there, and there's food and it's it's community. And
this is the thing is like we heal in community.
And that's why Beyond the Plunge is based around communities,
because if you're doing all this work alone, that's beautiful.
Sometimes we need to go out for the what is
it forty days? You guys get that part of it,
but you need to go out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
You need to We left into theness and never came back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah, we're still there. We're having this conversation when the
wilder knows. But yeah, just having those practices or you
can be alone or really important. I do actually go
to literally go to the woods alone. Much of my
dad's sadness because he worries about me. But I go
out and I'll spend four or five hours out in
the woods at the river, swimming, doing things on my own.

(01:01:21):
And that was a big part of my healing journey.
And now I'm back into like I feel good and
I want to share this goodness, and so I'll take
somebody with me or I'll bring them to the plunge
and we dance or whatever the thing is. But community
is so good for us. We Again, it goes back
to being authentic. Though. If you're in community and it's
not authentic, then the mask is still going to exhaust you.

(01:01:43):
But if you can show up and be yourself, And
I honestly believe that ecstatic dancing helps you to find
that in yourself, because once you've learned to just not,
you tune out. Oh everybody might be judging me and
you're just dancing. It's like, oh, now I'm in the
grocery store dancing and people are like, and I'm like, yeah,
you should join me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah. I look at it like I tell people, like
everybody's judging going to judge me. They already are judging you,
like they're judging you real timid and shy, or like, hey,
you want to dance but you're not, or you're not
doing the thing that you were created to do. You
know they're gonna judge me if I step out and
fade it. They already are judging you for not. Yeah,
let them judge you and have fun like you were

(01:02:26):
created to do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Really, if you think when people are judging you, it's
based on the perception of what they should be and
you're not doing the thing that I should be, so
you must be whatever you know, and that's like, you
know what, that's not any of my business. Really don't
need to know what your judgment is because it's about
you and that's your path.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
So we deal with religion, so you know all of
our yeah, you guys do. The projections are insane. I
love the psychology behind it, but it's sad and scary.
But uh, you know, just a projection of like, you know,
you say one thing and then somebody hears another because
of connotation that they have. It's only their connotation with

(01:03:08):
that word or that practice or that kind of people
or whatever. So we that is so strange, dealing with,
you know, hundreds of thousands of people online and then
getting weird comments and people reading into your words or
saying you're trying it this or you really mean that,
I mean what I said, or the other way around.

(01:03:28):
I didn't explain it as you know, plainly, you know,
as you may have liked me to to explain it
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
But that's really just a mirror. Like if they could
if they could use it as a mirror and not
everybody's there, But then they would see that that thing
that they're projecting onto you is actually speaking to something with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I know that I try to create contact.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Are so good at being like, that's not about me.
I think. Aaron and I had a conversation about that,
and I was like, Oh, that's great, because I can't
imagine you doing it without being able to say, oh,
that thing you just commented doesn't even make sense to me,
So it must be something going on within you. And
I don't have to take it on. I don't have

(01:04:11):
to change who I am now because I'm so worried
about that comment you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Made, and it doesn't negate the fact that it's their
truth and it's just where they are on their journey.
Like we had a comment recently about somebody who I
think is a vegan or vegetarian and they were like
accusing us of eating animals on one of our recent
like short videos, and it's like, well, you said he
said this and this a while back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
That was like three years ago, but he remembered it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Yeah, he remembered that that thing you said several years ago.
And he was like, but he said this and this
about all life consumes life, so that's why he eat
eats animals. And I was like, dude, we don't eat
animals anymore. And you know, like you just have to
honor people where they are on their journey. Like you
couldn't have told us then that we were tried vegetarian

(01:05:01):
and we would accept it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
It's just I remember that comment though. Yeah I don't
remember his name.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Then you can say and thank you for watching me
for three years. That's beautiful. I appreciated that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Yeah, yeah, But like in the dance thing, like it's
some people's truth that dance is just terrifying, you know,
and until they can come to a new truth and
find find little ways. Maybe it's just dancing in your
house by yourself first, you know, or dancing in your
car and the person looks at you and you just
wave at them instead of like cringing. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Like dance is really powerful, but uh, individual pretty traumatic
for me for.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
A good decade or two of my life because here,
I don't know if everywhere does it or if it's
just here. But in middle school they made us do
a little dance in front of the school and I
was pretty dorky, and I picked a song that they
made fun of, and they made fun of me while
I was dancing, and so like here you are in
front of a middle school class at pe class doing

(01:06:07):
a dance and you're literally getting ripped to shreds.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
The whole time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
You know, that kind of experience really sticks with you
when you're young, especially, and then I can I can
see like what I was wearing that day, Like it's
that vivid in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
My dark it's dark dark energy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Your I don't carry it anymore. I don't carry it anymore.
You can probably test.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
You've seen me dance more in the past two years, Yeah,
but never.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Me and you. But with other people. I'm the same way.
I don't. I don't really dance.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I mean, we're gonna dance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
It's a fair. We had to get it on count.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
It's about the no.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
No, that's a fair. People is like with it, you know, Yeah,
it's definitely it's weird, like I don't know, but but
when we do, we really mean it. It's good. One
of them things, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
It's a freedom and there is a you have to
gain the freedom in order to do it. My first
ecstatic dance, I was doing yoga teacher training, and I
had only danced at the club, you know, when I
was younger. And then I went to Ecstatic Dance, and
I was doing this thing where while I was in
teacher training, I was just going to go to every
class I could. I don't I don't care what it is.

(01:07:21):
I'm just going to show up and I wouldn't look
into it and find out what it was. But I
knew it was at a yoga studios. I'm like, I'm
gonna try it. I thought everybody was on drugs. I
was like, oh oh, there was like a pre party
and I wasn't here for it because I'm thinking it's
just like yoga with maybe a little extra movement, and
that's what it meant, because I think it was. I
don't think it was labeled ecstatic dance. I'm not sure,

(01:07:41):
but either way, I truly I left there and I'm like,
these people are crazy? What And everybody's like, you know,
just like this freedom of movement. Most of them had
their eyes closed. Watch me like, gerally, there's some ecstasy
involved here or something that I was not rivy too. Yeah,
And it took a while. I think I was actually
at a yoga feed before I did another Ecstatic dance

(01:08:03):
and they did not announce it was coming. They just
did a yoga class and then the end of it
was like really tribal drumming and they're like, stomp your
feet and then we're gonna move around. And before I
knew it, I was dancing, and then before I knew it,
I was like like exhilarated.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
I was like, oh, this is feels so good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
And then they were like, oh, thanks for joining us
for ecstatic Dance and I was like, oh, you tricked me.
I didn't know that's what I was doing. And I
was like, ooh that was powerful, and now I need
to go back and like test that limit because I
met a new limit, like I had hit that ceiling
of discomfort. And I remember during that dance being like
like a little bit of it, like looking around and oh, no,

(01:08:41):
people are looking at me. This is scary, and then
being like close your eyes, get back into it. And
this is kind of too though. Why I like doing
the dance that we're doing without the structure because somebody's
telling you like close your eyes and move this way
or do this. It does start to it gets I
feel like it gets in your head a little bit more.
Whereas if the music on and everybody's moving, what happens

(01:09:02):
is people get to the edge and they start just
doing a little number like this, and they're not really
moving a lot. But then the next time they're like
that felt really good, So I'm gonna go a little further. Yeah,
And that's what you're saying. It's tight trading the dose,
like just a little bit, try it on, see what
it feels. Go in your kitchen with nobody around. The
thing is, it's not for everybody else. So if you
need to do it alone, get alone. It doesn't need

(01:09:23):
to be in a group. But now we have to
do it and get it on camera because he said so.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
All right now, and the birds, the birds and the
animals and the trees, they.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
All love it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Yeah, so that's a whole different thing. Being with people
it was one thing, but being outside of nature with
the animals, for us, it's like that's the place to
start or the place to do it, or like you said,
having a drum or having some kind of tribal instrument
in your hand where you're actually getting into it. It's different.
And then the last time we were in South Carolina.
We ended or retreat with a big bonfire, and so

(01:09:58):
we had the drums and chances and people had sticks.
We just just got sticks for everybody and and we're
all just playing sticks and drums and dancing around the
fire and like some real pagan Christian stuff. And it
was really fun and it broke a lot of people through. Yeah,
and you know, I was able to more skipping and spinning,

(01:10:20):
you know, as we're kind of but even that skipping,
you know what I'm saying, like when asking a bunch
of old folks, like when's the last time you skipped?
You know, you ain't done this since you were you know,
ten or something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
You know, our stance, this is the thing, is that
there's no wrong way to move our body. So whenever
you I mean, when I'm dancing, it's like there's some
flailing happening and there's like some stomping and jumping, and
it's not what everybody would call dance. But once you
get into these circles of people who are using it
for like a freedom meter, that is what's happening. It's
not about like what does it look like, It's like

(01:10:52):
how does it feel? And cannot just be with how
it feels and stop thinking about what it should look like.
And there's freedom in that because then it's just like
guy's baths. Later on, you come in some other situation
in life and you're like, can I just be with
how this feels now? Because I did it with dance,
can I do it in this? And that's beauty, that's medicine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
You know where we used to dance a lot because
we needn't get into the club scene. But church, we
danced that church.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
I went to Pentecostal church.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I know, Yeah, it was fun, like it was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
The flags of the church, waving the flags. Yeah, those
really pretty shiny, sparkly flags.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
You should see some of the church services we've been
to with shout out to Justin Abraham and Joyfest and
they're like they're like raves kind of thing. Amazing. Yeah,
they're just trance music, Christian trance music and just worship.
And then like they're everybody's wearing lights and crazy clothing

(01:11:50):
and stuff and they just really get into it and
they totally bring the childlike all on wondering face because
a lot of them, you know, it's a lot of
older people there too, like dyeing their hair pink and
spikes and light up glasses and just being dressed up
like a duck, like this crazy stuff at these Christian
mystical gatherings and stuff, and like creating this safe space

(01:12:13):
for people to come and dance, and the kind of
energy that that generates for people. They so look forward
to it, and it's cool to see that and be
a part of it, and we dance there a little
bit too.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
And when you're doing stuff like that as a collective,
like I think Heaven leans in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
A little bit, like why are these old people dancing?
They're supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Be sad, and they're like, this is good. So if
you believe in which I do, that all versions of
you still exist. So the small child that got embarrassed
on the stage or whatever the stage was, and or
the little kid that the mom said too many times
like stop moving around or whatever the thing is that

(01:12:53):
shut you down, that child's still in there. And when
you liberate it by dancing and moving your body the
way it feels good, not what you think it should
look like, the child awakens and goes thank you, like
thanks for letting me express myself again, thank you for
bringing me with you instead of pushing me into this
corner and leaving me behind because as a whole being,

(01:13:15):
those past parts.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Of you are still here compartmentalized.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, and that's that's really beautiful, and that's it's some
of the excatic dances we'd have, people like bunny hopping
and like having a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
And I mean, if he can, if our dog cameo,
he love.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I try to get people to do. My friend Aaron
does this static shaking and down dog and I'm always like,
it's the yoga to work. But don't look around. None
of your business is what that looks like in anybody else.
But yeah, that's I think there's a lot of and
there's scripture around that, being like the children are the
leaders or I'm not going to say it correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
But you got to enter the kingdom like out and
the child don't give a damn what they look like,
or if it's choreographed, it's going to be silly. Right, Yeah,
that's what I do. I don't want my belly poking out,
even on camera. Black hold on maybe just for a minute.
Been eating good lately.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I've heard somebody say we're bringing pot bellies back for
breastwork because when you breathe in and you're trying to
get to the lower part of the lungs, you really
want to let the bag expand. And everybody's like, no, no,
I've one's been them all home life, keeping this duked in,
and now you're telling me to just let it out.
It's like, yeah, I am with that air that oxygen

(01:14:35):
get down as far as it can.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
But even like that clinch, you know that we've been
trained you have to stay clinched.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
It's so unhealthy to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Be in that all of the time, you know, Like,
I mean, I get it, nobody wants to pooch when
you're walking around, but you got to have those moments
where you intentionally relax the whole body because it's almost
like keeping yourself in that fight or flight like on alert.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
You know, yeah, that's part of that jaw thing, you know,
relax the jawnny, but your whole body gets a little
bit of debt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
This is what's beautiful about yoga is that we teach
to like that core strength. So if you're if you're
having taking care of your temple, you have a good posture,
you're standing up and your core is worked enough that
you can hold a good posture, then you can also
at the same time, let the shoulders relax, let the
jaw relax. You're still in a good posture and you

(01:15:26):
can relax since this life and death is like duality
and that's healthy. And this is the thing, especially with women,
is like we are taught don't have the pooch or
whatever the thing is like, don't have that. So we're
constantly trying to hold it in. But guess what else
is being held in, like all of our essence who
we are as a person, because we're focused so much

(01:15:47):
on don't have a belly, but don't look like which,
by the way, what I tell my girls is do
you want, well, my older daughter, do you want the
body of a child, or do you want the body
of a woman, Because we have curves and we have
places that we meant to grow and so like that.
If you're holding all that back because you're trying to
hold onto this image that society has said you got

(01:16:09):
to have a flat stomach, and you go to do
all this, then you're like so focused on that you
can't grow, you can't you can't lean in, you can't
be authentic with the person in front of you. Because
even if you're making eye contact, your mind's going don't
let the belly go, like, don't let anybody see that
you have a stomach.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
I know, God for me?

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
What how else is my processing food?

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Mm? You got anything else?

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I had a question that was but you made me laugh.
The question was I was want to ask you about
like transitioning from you know, just the normal Christian stuff
and it getting into yoga. Was it hard for you
or where did you have to find places in your
mind to go to get from like when you started
for like whether they were doing chants or doing ohms

(01:16:57):
or own not much sivaya or channing shiva. It's like
that like from the first time, did that make you uncomfortable?
Do you just when you like deconstruct that kind of thing?
That was it? Just No? I definitely had to work
through it like oh my God, and what am I doing?
And who is what is sheiva? What is this? I'm
not going to say it the first seven times I
just didn't say it, you know kind of thing. Did
you have some.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Of the I didn't have the rebellion against it or
I was like, oh no, I'm not going to do
that because but I was definitely of the mindset I
needed to understand what it meant. I didn't want to
chant something I didn't know. And there was probably, especially
in the beginning, some fear, you know, like, am.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
I is this the name of a Yeah? Am I
like calling it another god?

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Humans? But no, not overall, I would say, I definitely
had to get comfortable. It's just much like we were
talking about with Ecstatic the other or dancing and finding
the freedom in my voice to allow myself to open up.
I didn't have much of a voice, I would say
early on. I was still learning and so chanting specifically, again,

(01:17:57):
I needed to know what it meant. I was very
much living up here instead of going I can try
this and see how it feels. And that's where that's
what I had to walk myself too. And so just
and my first teacher training, I had the most wonderful
mentor Tracy Glover. She was She did her training in India,
so it was very wholesome. It had chanting, and it

(01:18:20):
had meditation, and it had all of the parts of yoga,
not just to as and now which is that physical movement.
And she was just such a gentle soul and like
knowing her made me feel safer to try these things on.
But I also kept I have like two prayers that
I kept for my whole life throughout anything, and that
was like, one is that if this is if God

(01:18:44):
is truth, then and I'm chasing truth, which is what
I've always been doing seeking truth, then I won't be abandoned.
And that's the prayer, like God, don't abandon me, like,
let me let me find my way to you and
not have to follow the structure I was given because
it doesn't really doesn't land in my heart. And then
the other one was if my kids ever need me,

(01:19:05):
let me know, like send me a sign, and it
has always happened. If anything ever happened with my kids,
I would like know it, I'd have an intuition, and
so yeah, I would say during those times I had
to tap back into that prayer and just be like,
if all truth leads back to God, then I can
try these things on and I will know that it's
not truth to it. And that helped me. That helped

(01:19:28):
me to deconstruct a lot of that conditioning, because of
course it was walls I had to take down. I
was raised in it. It took me I guess twenty
years to be conditioned, so I had to decondition and
that takes time. But I can tell you what really
said it for me was that I loved people more
than I ever had whenever I learned the Eight limbs

(01:19:49):
and I started doing like self study and learning about myself.
And again, why do I do the things I do?
Why am I going to this church? What about it
speaks to me?

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Wait, it doesn't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
A minute, and why am I still going?

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
What is it speaking to me?

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
I don't like the gossip. I don't like that I
heard this person downing this young woman who's not married,
that's pregnant, but yet they're preaching this other thing of love.
Like those things don't match to me. And that was
like giving myself the permission to say this doesn't feel
good and then moving away from it and going but

(01:20:25):
what does feel good? And then going into yoga and going,
I see the human in these people because I'm working
on the human in me. Now I get to love them.
I get to love that human in them and see
past alls as bullshit. And that was like, oh, this
is the path for me. I get to like stay
on this path. The Path of Testity, the Path of

(01:20:46):
Veracity my Instagram name. Yeah, so that I'd say that,
like knowing that I love people better when I'm doing
this practice is what keeps me in it. And when
I say this practice, I don't mean us and I'm
like my.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Body virtuality outside of the church. I mean, that's probably
what you meant, because that's what that's what did it
for me. You know. I definitely felt that. But then
you get in your mind because of the programming of like, hey,
this isn't Christian and these people aren't Christian and they're
praying to other gods and this music isn't Christian. And

(01:21:18):
I was really hard on myself because I was ingrained.
It was ingrained in me really and I taught it,
you know, I was really good at teaching it or
and but I would know after like going hiking with
you guys and going camping and stuff, and like listening
to Naco and listening to Tool and just Trevor Hall
just really beautiful nature music, I would feel I would
want to take care of my body more. I would

(01:21:40):
I would like lean into nature and the animals and
my diet more and like and uh, and I knew
that that wasn't wrong, But there was still that ingrained
in me telling me that hey, this is not this
isn't right, this is not Christian because and it was
probably it was my own programming, but it was people too,
because it was like the you know, other ministers and

(01:22:01):
Christian rappers and stuff that I worked with, they're not
you don't they're not listening to that with you. You can't
listen to it around them, so you had to like
hide them. I couldn't be authentic around them, you know,
I had to only listen to Christian music and that
kind of thing. But but that was for me like
fighting back and forth, knowing how that made me feel
and uh and knowing how this made me feel, and

(01:22:24):
then eventually how to be like, you know, be comfortable
with me. And it was okay to like both.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
It was okay like you yeah and say, yeah, this
is cool and this is cool and and they're helping
people and they're helping me, and I'm gon lean, I'm
gonna keep both of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Them or you just pick and choose the part you like,
damn right, Like how about yeah, like let's do that.
Why this stuff that's not serving you anymore? And it's
actually hurting people and hurting you. Man, Let that, Let
the stuff go.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
It's important wisdom, lean in and learn to trust yourself
and to trust God. Like, is he big enough to
take care of me if I make a mistake, if
I am chanting the name of a demon? Is he
big enough to help me undo it and hold my
hand through the process? Like? Because so much about the
programming and the image that we've been given of what's

(01:23:15):
holy in the church. You know, a pastor on a
stage full of people so many times that goes wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
The image looks every time, almost they followed the program
to a t.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
The image looks great, and the pastor is sleeping with
the secretary.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
I think the matrix that we live in has designed
it in a way that it has goes wrong every
fucking time. I'm sorry I said that word, but that's
how much I mean it. It's designed to wait for
you to put your trust in it and for that
thing to crumble. It's designed spirit. So that's why I
want to come off of a platform that you guys
put me on. Any platform, I'm not on that platform.
I've already crumbled. So I'm not up there because I

(01:23:54):
know it's designed to fall.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
This is real, though, I will say, like I feel
like we've been the three of us, but like knowing
you guys, even from Afar, even we weren't able to
be around each other in physical presence, we were able
to always stay it connected. And so we're on this
like parallel path and so I can see where I'm like, oh,
well they are growing. Look at they're doing this new thing.

(01:24:17):
What is it? And oh what kind of growth did
they have to go through to be able to accept
this new thing? Because you've always been really bold and
that like, so to be bold and then to be
bold and saying you know what, now I've changed because
I witnessed something or because I have grown it gave
me permission to go like, oh I can do that too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
But you've been there like the whole time, so you've
been able to see me like hardcore Christian part yeah
really like no facial hair, I couldn't grow a little
catchy yeah, but like yeah, but so you've seen me
like you've seen the pendulum. And not only you've seen it,
you've experienced it in your yourself, you know, and it's

(01:25:01):
been that's the libert liberating thing for me to go
through the stuff that I went through of like you know,
going back and forth of what is real and what
is truth because it's ingrained and it's so hard that
I wasn't alone and I had to be a forerunner
and show people that this is like coming for you
and it's okay and you can actually get out of
that pendulum rut quicker if you just you know, be

(01:25:24):
true to who God has created you to be and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Trust the pendulum, because what happens is the pendulum is here.
If you do move the pendulum, guess what's gonna happen.
It's gonna swing all the way up here and you
have to trust that it's going to find it center.
That means trusting yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Well, I just tell people trying not to let the
pendulum turn into a wrecking ball I like it and
burn bridges and freak out on people. Right, So I'm like, hey,
I'm gonna save you. A couple of friends, you know,
they like, try not to be a jerk when you
do it. Yeah, because that was definitely that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
And then too, I think we have been conditioned to
believe that things that feel good or not good, like
there has to be some suffering in it, or else
it must be from the devil or whatever. And I
think that's what, like, oh, this feels good to me,
and then people go, oh, well that's self serving. Oh no, Actually, again,

(01:26:17):
my body is the Santana for intuition, and it feels
good because it is good. And the way you can
judge that is is it harming people or is it
helping people? Like when I share this truth that feels
good to me, I can see I guess that comes
with being able to stay aware and accountable, but I
can see if it's harming or hurting Usually before I
even would share it. I tend to be drawn to

(01:26:38):
things that are helpful, but I would say that like
if you can stay clear enough of a channel to
go like, this thing feels really good, and when I
share it, I see growth in these people. This is
the thing I should share. My partner says, if you
are heart led, like stay in the heart because when
the mind takes over their stories, they get attached and
then we can bring ourself back down to the heart.

(01:27:00):
A lot of times we can like come back to
connection as deep and that's healing and that's it. Like, right,
I see the God in you. You see the God
in me. I see the God in you, and then
what happens. God is alive.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, but the other way around is I see the
devil in you. That's good. But hey, he's there, like
you should see him. He's there. Don't mess with him,
he'll bite you know. But but yeah, you know from
projecting of you know, for me, it kind of leans
into what you said, to be able to see these
people as equal, you know, seeing other hurting people or

(01:27:33):
people who are less than or other of other faiths
and tradition, to see God in them and to see
myself and see myself in them, like there's nothing like
this person is just just like me, but they're a
Hindu or a Muslim, and it's because they weren't raised
in the Bible Belt South and when they Yeah, but

(01:27:55):
they try to keep us away from those people, so
we don't get to see that we're that you know,
that I am another you, you are another me. And
it tears down the walls when we do see that stuff.
And so yeah, thanks to the Internet and stuff, it's happening,
it's becoming more popular, you know, and this this spell
is breaking. It's over the Bible belt and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
A Remember we all experience the same I believe it's
sixteen base emotions. Don't quote me on that, but like,
we all experience the same emotions, whether it be happiness, sadness, anger, fear,
It doesn't matter what triggers that. When you have the
feeling of it in your body, you can look at
another person having a very similar feeling or heart who
has had it and go, oh, yeah, we're both human.

(01:28:37):
Yeah oh yeah, Like maybe your fear is of some
different devil or god or whatever it is, but still
fear and I also have fear of this thing, and
that relates us. That helps us to connect and remember
that we are the same. We don't need to put
all the words sometimes get in the way.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Yeah, yeah, you know. I'm a student of words. I
love to studying. So that was the thing that helped me.
With the mantras and stuff and the names of the
different gods and stuff that you're it's like like you said,
what does this mean? Like, I'll say it, but what
does it mean? Oh not much? Vay'a like rama dasa,
what does this mean? And every time I found out

(01:29:16):
what it meant, I was like, this is pretty freaking cool.
And it's and the same thing when we learned about
Hebrew words in the Bible and the Hebrew names of God,
what does it mean. Oh, God never lets me down.
God always comes through. God is my strengths. God is
my refuge. God is my dwelling place. God is my protector.
Let's let's keep using some of these these terms, you know.

(01:29:39):
And so it's the same thing with the language is
where they tricked this, and so you know, with with yoga,
and that tradition comes from Sanskrit, you know, And and
we don't speak that language.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Beautiful language it is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
It's very similar to Hebrew and to Native American and
those they have a lot more in common than they
let us.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Yeah, I feel like that's the that's the thing is that,
like I almost feel like their fear is because it
has so much meaning that if you have a shallower reminder,
you haven't been open to these things. It scares you
for something to have so much meaning. And there and
then it's just the unknown. They're not willing to like
even hear what it meant. I don't want to hear that.
Why don't you hear what it means? That? Lokas Samasasu,

(01:30:20):
you know, Bob and two is the first one that
got me, which is just like, may all beings everwhere
be happy and free, and may my words, thoughts and
actions in some way contribute to that freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
How was that demonically beautiful?

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Yeah? Like how you can't you can't turn that into evil.
And it's like that's a personal accountability thing. And maybe
that's the problem, is like we don't want to look
at where we can be responsible for someone suffering. We
want to look at it and go, oh, that's so sad.
I'll pray for you, Okay. We'll also get in the
mud with them, hold them, fill their tears on your

(01:30:53):
shoulder and like be there. This is part of helping
with the suffering. And maybe if people have been taught
not to do that because they're too afraid to build
their own emotions, then yeah, something that tells you to
do that, it's going to scare you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Yea, so good, so important, because that's what Christ did.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
You know, He got down in the mud with people,
He got with them in the areas they were and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Literally then he descend into the earth and go to hell,
you know, to save people. So he's still doing it.
And doing it through us too.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
That's my my favorite personal theory is that the second
Coming of christis through the hearts of people.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
It's like that is what we need to believe in,
you know, like, can I show up that way? Can
I love that big? I'm working on it. I don't
think I'm there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
It comes and goes.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Traffic.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
That's how I know when I've got something I haven't
dealt with is when I'm in traffic.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
How I act?

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Yes, yes, Yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
It was there anything else that you want us to
talk about that we didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
I don't think so. This has been really beautiful. I
appreciate you guys so much. Yeah, we love you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Thank you for being a friend all these years, but
also for the amazing like enlightenment work you're doing for
the community and for the Sisters and the Sister Circle. Man,
what a beautiful experience that was, and you're just equally inspiring.
So thankful to be on this journey with you, and
I love it when our paths get a little closer

(01:32:28):
together we have to see more of each other.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Love it when that happens me too. I'm so grateful
for you guys, and that you have stayed on the
path of truth for yourselves. Because then again, like I said,
it gives me permission to go. I'm also weird. We'll
be weird together.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
I get people check in and see how far I've
gone and stuff. They're like, Okay, if Truthsyka's doing it,
he's thriving and stuff, and I think I'm good. He
hasn't fell off yet and he's okay at least seems
to be that way on social media, and I'm okay,
I'm okay. Yeah. But yeah, like if people want to
come and try the Cold Plunge and the cold Cool therapy,

(01:33:07):
what's it called contrast contrast if they want to try
it out and they are in the in the southeast.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Work in the Yeah, so we're currently in Daphne, Alabama,
right off the one eighty one. But they can find
me on Instagram at the Path of Chastity and message
me and I will give them all the details. Or
you can just look up beyond the Plunge and come
see us. We're also looking at new locations and so
that's really exciting. Or if you're a sister and you

(01:33:35):
want to join a circle, please get in touch with me.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Yes, super powerful, super transformative. I want to bring Nevea
to one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
I would love that. Yeah, it's really cool if we
could bring Nivea and jocelyn A the same one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Yeah, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
You ever done the animal yoga?

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
You mean primal, but they bring.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Like goats and cats and stuff in there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Block to you. M dog is The night before a
dog adoption yoga event, I got a message on from
one of my friends. It was like, hey, there's this.
I don't know. She was going out of town for
something suddenly, and she's like, I got this event that
I have to teach tomorrow or I mean I have
to go to I'm supposed to be teaching it this
and I have to leave. She's like, can you please
fill in for me? And I was like yeah. They

(01:34:20):
tell the kids like we're going to go to this event,
but we're not getting a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
And then Bakhdi came home with us, and now seven
years later he is like the best sweet dog. And
we named him Bacdi, which means devotional love. No idea
that he was gonna live up to his name so well,
but he does so yes. And it was a chaotic
mess like I'm not really sure that a lot of
yoga happens during these yoga these animal events, but it's
so much fun and we get to like love on

(01:34:46):
them and they lay on your mat and they pee
on the floor and like it's not what.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
It sounds like my dog, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Like romanticized, but it is a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
So yeah, I goat yoga sounds really fun, but I
would not want to be around peank goats.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
And my good friend has retired goats from goat yoga.
So you go over and at Sandy Creek, which is
in Alberta. It's a beautiful location. You can do airbnb there,
but you can also play with the goats and if
you get down, even slightly down, they will jump on
your back and that's an incredible experience. Little baby, yeah,

(01:35:24):
the big ones will, but you don't let us. You
don't want to let that happen. But yeah, they're a
lot of fun. And my friend April and her husband
Igor own it and they love these goats. Like these
goats are treated so well. So when they when you
come up to the gate, they just come running over
for pets. They're like puppies. They want loft on it's
really fun, just like that baby.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Also too, for those of you who aren't interested in
thinking about the retreat, go to see your dot school
get tickets there. Also, you can download some of our
free meditations that are available. You haven't had a chance
to listen to those yet, make sure you do that.
But that we would say peace in shalom speech for
hanging out. Bye everybody,

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