Dreams, Visions & Messages from Beyond Explained

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
All right, prayfulle.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Heavenly Father. I just thank you for this day. Thank
you for for my friends I got to meet with.
Thank you for my husband, I got to spend time
with him at the gym and get to spend time
with him doing this. Thank you for our pets were
amazing companions. We have so much to be grateful for.

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Thank you for this work that we get to do,
that you chose us to do it. We set our
minds to it, and you conspire with us to make
it happen and make it succes festful, and make it
reach the ears is supposed to reach. I just pray
God that you would be in control that as we

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have our little talking points and things that you would
nudge us in the direction, you would have us to go,
help us say the right things. That's going to help
somebody who's listening. It's going to make their day better
and brighter, give them tools maybe to help on their
spiritual path and their journey. And if there's anything we're
not supposed to stay, just shut our mouths. Lord, we

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honor you. We give this time and this platform to you,
just as you first gave it to us. Thank you,
Thank you, thank you in Jesus' name.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Do you know when my book came out?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Should be in there?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
You have a publishing page on it.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I don't know if there's a date. Okay, October sixteenth,
twenty nineteen, that's what I.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Was thinking Amazon. So how you found it?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I guess so Google. I think that's probably where you
pulled it from. So it's just about the sixth year anniversary.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Huh. Yeah, all right, we're recording already.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, just a couple intense looks, I mean regular looks.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Really mhm, I can never stop laughing.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Spirit man, m.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
All right, doing these serious face? I don't think I
have one.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's fine, okay, uh.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Sorry, goody h you hear you start? Hello, and welcome
to the Truth Seeker and Aaron Podcast. I am your
co host Aaron, and.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
This is co host. Yeah you're a host, am I.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
It's two hosts, not a host and co host.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, like I'm the main one, you're the second one
host and co hosts? No, where are your host?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Where are your hosts? So I'm not Vanna, I'm like
another Pat Okay cool?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, yep. Welcome to the Atrusika in Aaron Podcast Today.
We're going to be talking about the Spirit Realm in
celebration for the sixth year anniversary of my book Spirit Realm, Angels, Demons,
Spirits and the Sovereignty of God ForWord by the late

(04:45):
Great Jordan Maxwell. Always have to say his name. Such
a privilege to have him to write the forward for
me celebrating that is just now being released on Spotify.
So all of you guys who listen to audio books
on Spotify, and if you don't, maybe you should start,
because that's where we usually listen to our audiobooks if

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they're there first. Now you can find True Seeker's books
Spirit Realm in the ranks there with the rest of
the book. So we're going to talk about some subjects
that I've discussed in this in this book and we
just used as kind of a point of reference. So
but yeah, if you want a hard hardback or a

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soft back soft copy, you can get those at Amazon
dot com. It's gonna be the best place for you
to get it. And just like any other author, I
should have it sitting behind me as I as I speak. Yeah,
so there you go. Boom. It should have been there
the whole time, right, it should have Yeah, yeah, so
we we've asked GPT to give us some questions, some

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things to kind of start off with about the spirit realm,
and one of the things that it mentioned was what
is the spirit realm?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, good place to start.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Very generic question. But even though I talk a lot
and write a lot about this stuff, we're not with
no experts on this. So it was kind of a
weird question at first because I was like, well, you
got to give a right answer. Yeah, you know so,
but I was going to be like, no, I don't

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want to start there, but I think we are, Like
what is the spirit realm? I would say the easiest,
like working definition, I would say, it's like what I
mean by it is the realm of the unseen me too,
anything that you can't touch, see here, taste. But I

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don't even know if that's a good to add those sentence,
because sometimes the spirit realm comes through and we interact
with our spiritual senses of spiritual sight, spiritual audience, well
clear audience.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Romas, like when you're dealing with things in the spirit realm,
sometimes a roma's crossover and you smell them in the physical.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, so there's there's some bleedover with it. But so
there are techniques and there's different ways that we can
perceive the spirit world.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
So there's that, yeah, And I think that was the
next question was do you believe that everyone has access
to the spirit world or is it only for those
with special gifts or callings?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Like my mind immediately goes to where I've come from
in the Christian Church, to where Christians are be gatekeepers
of the spirit realm, whether we are talking about some
of the deep things of the spirit or spirit travel
for one or astral projection, out of body experiences, those
kind of things. Uh. The Christians who believe in that,

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in that stuff and practice it, some of them say
that they gatekeep and say it's only for Christians and
you have to be a Christian. So there's some circles
that we move in that practice ascensions, which is essentially
a guided meditation where you start off and go into
a vision to have an encounter usually with Jesus or

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some people travel the planets and talk to angels and
aliens and all types of things, even in these Christian streams,
and they would kind of like I've heard them, like gatekeep,
you got to make sure all these people who are
doing this are Christians, you know, and like tell us
we can't have you know, it's real, you know, on

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in the market kind of thing with Christians, and I
don't believe that's true with you know, who can access it.
The truth is we're all access accessing the Spirit realm
at all times. And that's why I wrote the book. Scripturally,
the Bible says the Spirit and brides say come, and

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I think that's an invitation to everyone who will taste
and see that the Lord is good. And so if
we're doing a meditation, a Christian meditation, a Christian ascension,
invite those people because it could, you know, they could
possibly have an encounter with Christ. If what you're doing
is legit and it's real, then the power of God
should be there and it has the ability to change

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people's lives. So that caveat I kind of wanted to
get that out the way because I've experienced that kind
of gatekeeper. If they're not a Christian, they can be
a part of this. And these ascensions that we do
are very private and selective of who gets to do
it kind of thing, so, you know, just kind of gatekeeping.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, but there are even recently it seems to be
more testimonies of people doing meditations and doing these astra
projections and things, which is essentially what an ascension is, right,
It's leaving your body to go and have an experience.

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Isn't that what it is?

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, some of them, they probably wouldn't say they leave
their body though, I mean, because they're real like definition
terms and stuff. They're just say I went there in
the spirit or something. I don't know, but it's the.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Same to me, I used to I've done astral projection
and I've done ascensions. You know, I've done objection as
a witch. To me, it's the same because I've done both,
and to me, I experienced it the same way. But
people are doing these things not in Christian circles and
encountering Christ and encountering Mary, and so yeah, I would

(10:37):
say I would encourage anyone to do it. And if
your heart is right, the right one is going to
reach out to you, and often it is Christ or Mary.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's that's your past, that's the currency of the spirit,
is your intention. Because there are people in Christian circles
leading ascensions who have ill and tensions, and we've been
a part of some of these very scary stuff you
can't tell from face value because they say all the

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right things and they look the part until some you know,
people have ill intentions with it. And then you have
on the other hand, people who aren't saved or Christians
or whatever who are just open hearted and searching for truth,
and like you know, they have all the best intentions,
and I think, and you can trick people, you can't

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trick spirits when it comes to that, And so I
think we need to you definitely want to. I say,
you know, use precaution, but the people who are saying
use precaution. Use precaution to the people who are leading
some of these ascension groups. Some of these people's are
people are devils, just straight up. I'm not going to
say any names, but I've rubbed shoulders with a couple

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of them and they're just doing devilish things, taking advantage
of people. So yeah, be careful when you say who
can get, who can be a part of it, and
who can't. Yeah, because again Spirit and Bride say come
that all who are thirsty, let them come. God is
not a respective of persons, whether you have your Christian

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bought by the blood card or not. God is you're
not his favorite. Yeah, he's backing in all to come.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
He came on the scene Jesus and made away for everyone.
He became a new gate that people could enter through
who were outcasts and who were not welcomed in exactly.
That was his whole ministry was to the lepers and
the you know, adulterers, and the tax collect all the
people that were hated and loathed by society. He made
a way for them and loved them. And I just

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think it's so beautiful. I just don't I don't like
that exclusive, exclusionary mindset.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, it's part of Christianity. It's always been, and even
when you feel like you're getting away from it, it
still pops up. It's popping up in my feed a
lot now with people who I guess listen to the
podcasts and stuff like that, because there's people from all
walks of life and all faiths and traditions that listen

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to the podcast and all sects of Christianity. And there's
a big movement back to orthodox Christianity. And I think
it's something beautiful. But what we found out recently in
Greece that we didn't even know is that there's a
there's a schism uh this between Uh it's like sectarian
sectarianism thing between Catholics and Orthodox because like from an outsider,

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they look very similar, you know, very traditional. We're similar
garments and things like that, and burning candles and incense,
and some of them have icons, some of them don't.
I mean we went to some Orthodox stuff where they
say they don't use icons, but there were icons everywhere. Ye,
very strange paintings everywhere.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think they even do the sign of the cross,
like the Greek Orthodox goes right to left first and
then the Catholic is opposite.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
And like, shout out to both of those, you know, traditions,
because I think they both have some beautiful you know
stuff that they that they bring to the table, but
they also have some crazy stuff, let that be known,
that they bring to the table. No, not me, And
but just the comments where people are like this is

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like they I've seen so many over the years that
the Catholic Church is the only true church. All of
the churches are apostate and not ordained by God. Therefore
there is no other way to enter heaven because it
was the only church ordained by Jesus or by Peter
Catholic Church and those comments and articles and stuff have

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been coming out for years, but now the Orthodox stuff
is popping up in my feeding. Orthodox people will message
me and I see their comments on videos and stuff,
and they're doing this same thing. Orthodox Church is the
only true church represent you know, ganggang and what it is.
It's doctrine banging. It's it's like gang stuff, So be careful.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's so weird because I'm new to that that world,
I guess. And there were some comments by Greek Orthodox
people that I couldn't interpret the comment. The wording in
the burbage was so strange. I had no idea what
they were trying to say. And it's like, you know,

(15:32):
it's like a secret language like pig Latin or something like.
They don't want people to come in and understand.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, it's code words, so to speak, speak speaking over
people's heads kind of. Yeah. Anyway, it's just about gatekeeping
and Enterprotestants gatekeep and say those aren't even true, that
they're going to hell. They need to get baptized and
fill with the Holy Spirit and have a relationship with
Jesus and repent because they pray to marry. All this

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kind of stuff anyway, we're not. You know, it's just
about the gatekeepers trying to keep it out and we
just they They show up everywhere you go. And like
you said, the ones that Jesus went for, he literally
went for all the ones who weren't good enough to
make it in, you know, to these other traditions and sex,
because something was wrong with them. And really people that

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the Law of Moses disqualified Christ. Christ comes out. Okay,
you don't want them, I'll take them. Cool, yep, you
take them and clean them up and get a use
for him in the kingdom. No, no, we want them.
You don't want them to begin with. Why are you
trying to clean them now?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Because you must be able to get something out of it. Yeah,
we don't like to gatekeep. And so one thing I
wanted to mention is our magic mind that we were
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Speaker 1 (17:00):
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Thank your magic mind. We really love it.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
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(17:27):
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Speaker 1 (17:43):
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(18:05):
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(18:27):
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(18:48):
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Speaker 2 (19:13):
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Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Before we go any further to business out the way,
we're already diving in deep. We have a retreat coming up.
It's like two months out.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Now, it's coming fast.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
October fifth through this that I mess up. I don't
know why this. The Lord is going to do something.
Oh Holy goes on the fifth through the fifth through
the set. That's not the dates, it is.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
The second through the fifth.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I almost messed up. I did mess up, but almost
messed up drastically because I put that date out on
one of the flyers and somebody saw it after they
saw the official flyer and they were like, hey, we
just bought tickets and we looking at the date is
different on this one. I'm like, oh man, I'm sorry,
you know, but they saw their original one firstus.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
So you better pay attention to the fifth through the
seventh because something is going to happen that day those days.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
But it's the second through the fifth it is.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
This is a Thursday evening through Sunday about.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Mid day, and it's called reclaiming Eden. What was your
thought behind that?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
My thought behind that is we have demonized nature so
long as a species and as Christians, like everything, nature
seemed to go towards witchcraft, which is, you know, animals
and plants and plant medicine, which when I say that,
I don't mean always psychedelic, I mean any plant medicine

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things that you would take like an ibuprofen, but there's
plants to do it. We've always demonized it and kind
of made our own way, like with these pharmaceuticals that
are sometimes beneficial. But to me, it's just coming back
into communion and oneness with nature, because if you look
up the definition of nature, I think it's in the

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Oxford it's anything apart from humans or anything that humans created,
and I just think that's so wrong that we're all
one creation and we all need to act like it,
like we were all created out of the same breath
of the creator. And you know, it's weird how much
pushback I have gotten already over that name reclaiming Eden,

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Like people don't like it because they say, well we
have we have dominion over nature. Well, yes we do,
But dominion isn't domination. It isn't us being a tyrant
and destroying and controlling everything. It's stewardship and bringing things
into balance and appreciation and harmony. And I don't know

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that was my vision behind it, just kind of going
that direction into appreciation into oneness with all living things
because it's so powerful for me, and I think that
we all should learn to appreciate it again.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, as we find out when you honor nature, and
you honor the nature creatures like literally animals and try
your best insects and birds and all that, then that
you know they have angelic orders tied to them and
they begin to honor you. They begin to pull back

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the veil and let you see how they operate, how
they operate in the spirit. And then when we begin
to honor they begin to even teach us, teach us
how they operate, Like because I'm I love the mechanics
behind it. There's one thing just to operate in the
prophetic and kind of things like we do, but I
want to understand the science of like what's going on?

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How am I doing this? Because how can I do
it again? Versus up up to God just randomly happened.
Nothing is by chance. Everything is set in setting in
a setup. There's something that you've sewn into something that
is now sewing back into you, and there's a spiritual
science behind it. And we know the birds play a

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big part of the prophetic, whether it's you know, in
antiquity or in the Bible, in nature. There's a reason
we talk about this a lot. Was like looking up
people's names in the Bible and the names of cities
and all that kind of stuff, because so many are
named after animals, and so many are named after birds,
and so many are named after vegetation, and named after

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Greek goddesses and gods who were God's over vegetations. And
these are random disciples and random heads over nations in
the scriptures like and they played a powerful role in
bringing forth the healing of the nations and fighting for
God's people. So once you start to see it, then

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it becomes alive to you and you can't unsee it.
And and if you get the privilege to see it,
I think it is a privilege. But I think that
it was normal. I think that we were in communion
with first of all, the physical creatures, but also the
spirits and the etheric energies behind it. Whether we call

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them the elementals and the fairies and the dwarfs and
the gnomes, we can just kind of painted with a
broad stroke and say the angels, because that's what they are.
They're messengers of the spirit world. And I covered them
extensively in the book Personal Encounters that I've had with

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spirit beings and spirit creatures. Shadow beings. There is a diverse,
extensive amount of different types of beings, and and we're
in we're interacting with them by default, unknowingly. Yes, So

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that then if you know that you're interacting with them,
maybe you can position yourself, maybe you can do things
a little bit differently so that you can open up
for an encounter and and and exchange and be mindful
of it and and maybe at very least say thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, I mean what this cripture even we always think
it's about like a poor person or something. But whatever
you do to the least of these, yeah, you gotta
you have to encompass a greater knowing of what that
means is. It's not just humans, it's everything. It's I
think the words catisis uh, it's creation. It's all created things,

(26:01):
which includes us, includes nature, includes the elements, yeah, the wind,
the darkness, the light.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Saint Francis has a a like a prayer and a
like a poem or whatever, and he addresses the animals
as brothers and sisters, the sun and the moon and
the stars as brothers and sisters. Calls them like brother bear,
and he sees them as brothers. And the scripture tells

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you to honor and to love your brothers and sisters.
And that was just the revelation that hit me a
while back, was like, don't we don't look at them
as our brothers and sisters. We look at them as inferior.
And somebody like Saint Francis who was in had amazing
relationships with with animals and they would come from all

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over and sit on his shoulders, like snow white and
stuff the stories you read about, and he could talk
to them and they would talk back. It's one thing
for you to talk to your dog or talk to
the birds, but when they talk back and then you
can understand them. This is where we're going. This is
what reclaiming eating is really about. And for those of
you who are interested and you'd like to join us

(27:15):
as a three day retreat, you can go to www.
Dot c or dot school. We're going to be doing
all this. We're going to we're going to set up
the set, in the setting for you to have an encounter.
The rest is up up to you. How you know,
if you're able to to to focus, how bad do
you want it? All of this stuff comes into play,

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and we've seen some miracles. We've seen people encounter nature
and Zoe nature nature that is alive, living, breathing, and
then we're in connection with them and nature responds when
the sons and daughters of God show up in their

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power or in authority, and it's not domination, it's in
love and it's in respect.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, I think we need to get a new definition
of dominion to actually find the real definition because it's
not being a tyrant.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah. One of the so we address elementals, we don't
have to go deep down that that we kind of
touched on it. Another thing that we touched on is
in the book is dreams. And I talk about dreams
a lot, but I'm going to throw it to you

(28:35):
because and I'm going to ask you, does God speak
to you in the dreams dream state.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
All the time? It's hard to remember sometimes. So I
actually learned a great technique from one of your podcasts
that you did years ago, Lany Dolphin. It was a
great podcast, and she helps people interpret their dreams because
just like everything in life, it is personal. Like a

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what a sunflower means to me might be different than
what it means to you. So when you see images
and things in your dreams, it's personal. It's your subconscious
pulling from the filing cabinets of your life and the
things that mean something to you. So she recommended that
you get a notebook and put beside the bed because

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the more you roll over or move change position when
you wake up from these dreams, it starts to fade immediately.
And she said, put a notebook in a pen by
your dresser, roll over, scratch it down. I don't even
turn the light on. I mean, I've written enough in
my life I can kind of write without the light on.
So sometimes I'll just scratch it down and go back

(29:51):
to sleep. And I was flipping through my notebook. There's
some wild stuff in there that I still have an ISA. Yeah,
some of it I've written down and I have no recollection,
so I'm just flipping back through. I'm like, WHOA, that's weird.
And some is prophetic. I mean it tells of future events,
and I've been able to warn people that things were

(30:12):
going to happen, and that some people are sincere and
some people are not sincere. Like God reveals these things
to me and my dreams. Yeah, it's a beautiful way
of communicating and being open to receive from God and
the spirit when your physical body is finally still and quiet,
and you can be a conduit for those kinds of messages.

(30:34):
I think everyone is. I just don't think that everyone
can remember, because it's just the more you move and
the more time you take, you start to lose little pieces.
But yeah, there's several prophetic ones I have written in there.
There was one I dreamed about a flower and come
to find out it was a real flower, and so

(30:58):
you bought me the flower planted in the yard, and
it's just constantly teaching me lessons and it's my favorite
plant that we have, I think. And yeah, it's still
just constant reminder and constant teaching when I go out
and spend time with it, that I'm learning from this plant.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
That came to you in a dream. I've had lyrics
come to me in dreams. You know what I'm supposed
to do wrestling with with myself. Recently, I had a
profound God moment in my dream. I told you the
next morning. I was just even the way I worded it.

(31:39):
I think God came to me in my dream because
it was it was like surreal, woke up, had clarity
on a subject, woke up praying for people and essentially,
you know, I felt like deliverance and I had to,
you know, God let me experience and bring things to

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my memory and feel the feelings and be reminded of
them again. That that really helped me. And that's what
happens a lot. A lot of people like to project
and talk about the others and if they have a
dream about some kind of destruction, it's the destruction of
the world, is you know, coming to an end or whatever,

(32:22):
And it's usually never the world coming to an end,
but it's your world and your current worldview is about
to come to an end. Most of it is symbolic about,
like you said, things that is going on in your life.
I usually didn't want to hear that. And like because
we could where we come from with the prophetic, with
the church realm, it was always like God gave me
a word for you. God gave me a word for you.

(32:44):
What about your jacked up life. God ain't concerned with
your jackub life. You're going to give somebody else a
word for you. How about God trying to speak to you?
But we're so you know, running after dreams and visions
that we think he's talking to everybody else and correcting
everybody to not correcting you. And that's the first place
God starts.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
With inward first.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, Job thirty three fourteen. He's one of my favorite
scriptures on this matter, and I think it speaks to
so much Job thirty three fourteen. For God speaketh once,
yay twice. Yet man perceiveth it not in a dream,
in a vision of the night. When deep sleep falleth
upon men in slumberings upon the bed. Then he openeth

(33:31):
the ears of men and sealeth their instruction, that he
may withdraw man from his purpose and hide pride from man.
He keepeth back his soul from the pit and his
life from perishing by the sword. So these are warnings.
These are things that hey, you need to get right. Hey,

(33:52):
you're wrestling with this. Hey, I'm going to warn you
in a dream of something that you're supposed to be doing.
And you know, sometimes you make up knowing those things.
I think if you kind of flow in that dreams
and an interpretation of dreams, like you know, you know,
not everybody does, and you still have prophetic dreams. So
sometimes you know, you need to roll it off of

(34:16):
somebody to say, you know, hey, what does this mean
if you don't know what it means? But I think
you learn. I think I think you learn once once
you can sit down with somebody and say, Okay, hey,
this is maybe this and this could be talking about
this and what if it's that. And that's how we started.
It was some good Christian friends of ours who helped

(34:38):
me with one of my prophetic dreams that that was
involving other people, but it was about us, you know. Yeah,
I didn't think it was about me, but because it was,
so many other people and churches and things were involved
in it, but it all came to pass.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
And if it doesn't make sense, just hold on to
it because sometimes when I was first, when I first
started getting these dreams wouldn't make a lot of sense
to me. But if I held on to it a
lot like a prophetic word, if you hold on to it,
something comes to pass. You're like, oh, that's what that
was about. That was a warning this was going to happen,

(35:16):
or it was preparing me for this moment. So if
it doesn't make sense, you still hold onto it because
you might later have that aha moment like this is
what it was pointing to. Yeah, another one of the
questions was have you had angelic experiences? And would you

(35:38):
want to talk about one of them.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I think I've had a lot of angelic experiences, and
I've probably had more than I even know, right, you know,
entertaining angels unaware which one do you th one at
me that you know who that I've encountered, because that's
subjective too, because of what we call an angel, Like

(36:04):
it's all my in my head is like, Okay, what
kind of angel you know? Is it, you know, an
elemental angel? Is it a person that's disguised as an angel?
Or an angel?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Discussion one of mine while you think about it?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
About that?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
So even just today, I had lunch with some of
my my really close friends from Buckeru Barn, and, uh,
we're talking about Christy, my mentor my she was like
a sister to me, like she was my spiritual advisor,

(36:37):
Like I just loved her to death. We were very much,
you know, kindred and she has crossed over now. But
we were talking about her and Amanda said to me, Yeah,
I was talking to pellam about the Barn stuff the
other day and he just got real emotional and said

(37:00):
that he thinks Christie was an angel. I was like,
I think she was in a like, yeah, she was
in human form, but that woman wasn't human. She was
something different, like just she always poured into us so much.
And it's sad because a lot of times the people,

(37:25):
the people that I have encountered that felt like that
seemed to cross back over early. It's like they're being
called to another mission or something. But to hear that
someone else said that they thought she was an angel,
I was like, yeah, I've said that many times. Like
I've even sent her letters before after she would do
some grand gesture for our family, like she send us

(37:47):
on vacation before and things like that. And I think
I've sent her multiple letters saying I know you're an angel,
like thank you for being the angel to my family
and to me, and so yeah, that's I know. She
was something different. She was chosen. I don't know, you know,

(38:08):
maybe she was born a human and just tapped into
the angelic as she grew grew older and made good choices.
I don't know, but she was something else and her
impact is bigger than I can describe.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, there's people who I believe for angels. I don't.
I don't think they tell you that. I think it's
part of the rules. They can't tell you that they're
an angel. I love. I love those stories in the
Bible of like the different agreements and stuff and like

(38:45):
like an angel was going to talk to Job, but
he's like, listen, you, you have to make me a
promise that you're not going to ask me to bless you.
Because it's like if you if you find out that
if you know this as an angel and the certain
things that angel dude, angels, you know, look what what what?
Who was it? Jacob wrestled the angel, like he found

(39:06):
out there was an angel. He grabbed it and wrestledoul
and wouldn't let it go until it blessed him. And
like Job, then angel came down to bring a message
to Job, and he's like, you got to promise me
you're not gonna ask me to do anything for you.
I'm bringing you a message. It's like sure, like these
these rules and stuff that you you know, hear about

(39:27):
and because you're you're already I think you're already getting
blessed by just being around them, by like kind of
learning in silence, just by watching them or being around them.
I've met people again. They they they didn't tell me
there was an angel. I'm an angel, you know, and

(39:47):
you can't tell nobody there was none of that.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
But they do be careful.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
No, no, no, I get those messages from people. I get
a lot of messages from people on Facebook telling me
their angels. But uh, they've you know, and they're telling
me they're Jesus and telling me they're Metatron and they're
stuck here and stuff. But yeah, they don't brag. That's
one thing about Jesus and the Messiah. And like the angels,

(40:13):
they didn't go around like telling people. They left it
up to you to say what they were. Even that
old adage with Peter in Christ and it's like Peter,
who do men say I am? You know, do everybody
man saying this or saying that this dude thinks you're
an angel? Okay, cool? Who you? Who do you think

(40:34):
I am? I know, I know you're an angel sent
from the Father directly to me. You're the Messiah, the
promised One. Don't tell nobody. Yeah, he's like, my father
is the only one who revealed it to you. Let
them keep thinking I'm just some crazy person, or let
them keep thinking I'm a good teacher or some prophet,
you know, and that's what they were saying, you're a

(40:57):
prophet or that prophet and saying, now I know who
you are, and it's you know. And then that's the
beautiful thing too, because then Jesus goes on to say
that he's going to build his church upon that foundation,
and piggyback into the Catholic thing, they say, well, that's
where Jesus, you know, Peter became the first pope and

(41:19):
he started his church, and it's like, I'm going to
build my church upon this rock. It was this understanding,
this revelation that he was going to build his true
church upon. And it wasn't. It wasn't talking about that.
I don't. I don't think so, could be wrong, who knows,
But it's more to me, it was the revelation of

(41:41):
who do you say I am? Is? The is the
revelation that he builds his true church upon, personal revelation,
personal relationship. Who do you say am? I know everybody
says I'm this and says I'm that. Who do you
say I am? And I think that's still his question
to us daily. I get because I read stuff in

(42:02):
the Bible. I experience life. I go through hardship, I
go through like awesome cool stuff, and then Jesus like, Okay,
you still think I'm cool? He still am? I still
the same? Like who do you think? Who do you
say I am? Still?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Like?

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Oh, man, if you love me, why you let me
go through that? God dog, I thought you supposed you know.
It's like, you still think I'm cool. You still think
I'm something to be played with. You know. It's like that,
it continually changes, you know, It's like, who do you
say I am? Man? I was mistaken. I thought that
you were only good. I thought that I sung it

(42:36):
in this Bethel songs, you were only good. He's not
only good. It's like he's everything.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
He's all of it.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, he's all of it anything, you know what I'm saying.
So that's who I would say he is. Now it's
coming out of me who I It's just naturally comes
out of us who we say he is, you know,
and I think he's awesome and uh yes, that personal revelation.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, if you can find him in those dark ps
and in the hard times, you know, he's there. He
said he was there, even if he went to Hell,
he would be there. So it's a gift to be
able to find him there and to see him in
it through it. So let's see on the flip side,

(43:24):
have you ever witnessed or participated in a deliverance and
what stood out most of you.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
I've participated in a good many deliverances. I've been delivered, delivered,
I've been delivered. Yeah, I've been delivered for sure. I
know what it's like to be demonized. I know what

(43:52):
it's like to hear voices. I know what it's like
to be tormented. That's where I come from, and so,
you know, getting free from a lot of that stuff.
That was my my study. That was I wanted to
help people who were going through that, and so those
people kind of sought me out over the years, and

(44:15):
I sought them out. You know, I wanted to be
next to them and to pray for them. And a
lot of times when you pray for somebody who's demonized
the you know some things could manifest. I'll share this
one story specifically. I shared it the other day on
our seer School shout out to our online community. Go
to seor dot school or if you're interested in that,

(44:37):
we do sixteen hour hangouts a week a month. It's
a lot. It's still two hours twice a week, twice
a week. If you want to hang out with us.
We do this, but with a bunch of people shout
out to our community. But we've asked this, and so
I shared this one story of me and a friend
of mine. I was asked to go pray for somebody

(45:00):
who knew he had demons. He's like, man, I'm hearing voices.
I'm just going through all this stuff. My life's kind
of falling apart. Dude, I just need prayer. It's like, yeah,
I'll pray for you. We just pray for him over
the phone. But I was like, man, I'd like to come,
come play hands on you and pray for you in person.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
He's like all right. So we end up going to
the guy's house and it was me and a friend
of mine named Johnny, and we're praying for him, and
then he starts manifesting and stuff. Usually he start body
locks up and they start screaming. Usually when you touch
a vein or a point of pain, you know, they

(45:36):
start manifesting and they don't want to leave. They cause
a scene. They start screaming and they start trying to
talk to you and stuff like that. So the demons
will like try to talk to you and tell you no,
or he's mine and all this kind of stuff. And
this is what was happening. And I knew that my
friend Johnny he confided in me and told me he
had some he was dealing with certain things and it

(45:59):
was that anger anger issue that he was dealing with,
like I, but he said it was like it was
like really bad, like he just breaks stuff and just
go into fits of rage. And he's like the one
of the most humble, meek dudes you'll ever meet. So
it was kind of weird for him, like, man, I
can't even I can't even imagine, you know, you going

(46:19):
through that, you know. And and he told me that
at some you know, weeks before or something, and we're
praying for this dude. The demon's coming out and he
looks over at my friend Johnny and says, and you,
your anger is going to be the death of you.
You got an anger issue you need to deal with.
And it like he's praying for the guy and literally

(46:41):
he like almost like something hits him and he falls
back like to his butt, like in this state of
like shock, like oh my God, like when he heard
the thing speak what he was dealing with like the
innermost you know, his demons like cognize that. Heck can
see it in you, and it's going to be the

(47:02):
death of you, and they like prophesied that over them.
It's shut him down, like I could you know, Oh
shut up, demon, you're just lying. But no, like force
hit him and he fell back to his button. He's like,
I gotta go, man, Like mid deliverance, he's like, I
gotta go. It's just this is too much. I was like, God, Lee,
you know, because those things come with the energy, and

(47:24):
they come with the feeling. And just as Jesus was
able to do it and the angels are able to
do it, they know things about you that only God knows,
and they'll try to use it against you. Christ knows
things about you, and the angels know things, and they'll
try to use it to help you and use it
for your betterment and for your good. I remember experiencing

(47:45):
that in a deliverance session. It happened to me. The
same thing happened to me. We was downtown years ago
when I did street ministry, and there's a video online
somewhere of it. But we were preaching in front of
the clubs at like two in the morning and everybody's
just downtown. Everybody's drunk and stuff, and we're down there

(48:06):
preaching and it was we was hardcore preaching and stuff,
and uh, we'd stir up a lot of demons and
I mean we'd see people get saved, and we see
people get out of the line who was supposed to go
in the club to party and all that. They say,
you know what, God's got to calling all my life.
I'm supposed to be with y'alld and I know it,
and it comes come with us all night. Like that
kind of is really cool stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
So we're filming and this girl comes out who's she
was gay, and she's debating with all the other guys
who were with my group and and I'm holding the
camera filming and stuff and uh, and she was kind
of getting a little aggressive. So I was like, hold on, like,
you know, she's like, God loves me and I'm gay,

(48:48):
and I was pushing back against it. No guy, you know,
hardcore anti gay stuff at the time, And so she
was arguing with me and she's pulling a scriptures said, well,
my dad's a preacher and God loves me and and
all this stuff. Anyway, debating and her I guess her
little girlfriend was there and she was like standing beside me,

(49:10):
like under her breath, like cursing me, like say, like
talking to me while I'm filming, and she's trying to
knock the camera out my hand and stuff, and and
she's like, you're just you're stupid. She's trying to get
under my skin, skin cursing. But and I was getting
nervous because all these people gathering around and she's trying

(49:32):
to slap the camera and I'm like, back up, lady,
what are you doing? And I was like, don't touch me, now,
don't touch me and uh and then she's like hands
of anxiety. And I was like, I was guessed. I
was shaking a little bit, and I started shaking even more.
And that when she said that, like, I don't know,
it did something to me. She was like hands of anxiety.
She said it all weird and stuff. I was like,

(49:53):
what the heck is this? Because I, like, I was
going through some stuff and I was nervous and stuff.
But I don't know, it was just really weird to
have them whisper a word to you, you know in
the scripture that the demons used to be able to
do that. That's actually like, there's the names of certain
demons are named after those who whisper, you know, and

(50:16):
but their whispers carry more power than having volume, you know.
To have that spiritual energy connected to a whisper is
very very strange to experience it. Wow, she was slapping
me and cursing me and saying all kinds of things.
But when she said that one phrase that way, yeah,

(50:37):
she can just tell that. I was undergoing anxiety at
the time. I don't know what it was, but it
definitely like crippled me. I was like, man, I got it,
just eventually left. But yeah, I feel bad about that experience,
but I learned a lot because I went back and
watched the video because the video is online. This was
back in I want to say, two thousand and nine
or something. Yeah, maybe before that, probably before that watching

(51:03):
the video. But like the things that lady was trying
to tell me, like the gay lady, like about the Bible.
Her dad was a preacher, and I was like preaching
against homosexuality and showing her the scripture. She was like
that's not what it says. It's actually talking about a
PD file, you know. And and uh, I was like, no,
it's not that, it's talking about homosexuality. She's like look

(51:25):
it up, blah blah blah. And come full circle of
years later when I actually do more study and looking
it up, I was like, man, this lady was right.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I ended up like coming to the revelation and finding
it and tracing the words back and say, it doesn't
mean a gay person. It means somebody's taking advantage of children. Yeah,
but somebody you know, changed the English wording in it. Anyway.
Shout out to that lady.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, I remember when you came to that revelation. You
were like, dang, she was right. The lady was right.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Find that lady. Tell them. I'm sorry. So, yeah, it's
just deliverance and dealing with demons.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
What role do dreams and visions play in spiritual communication?
And can the enemy use those channels as well?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Well? We kind of just answered that, yeah, you know that,
but can the enemy use those for sure? You know?
Nightmares and I say, if you don't deal with things,
if you're doing bad things, they do visit you in
your dreams as nightmares. One of the biggest ways to
get free from those nightmares and to really receive dreams

(52:38):
and visions from God that are good, you know, versus
God always like coming at you trying to correct you
in your dreams every night. It's because you know, it's
to make the correction during the day. Yes, And two
I would say before you put your head on your pillow,
but you could do it as a practice. With your
head on your pillow is when you when you lay

(52:59):
down to start replaying your day backward. And I know
Rudolph Steiner teaches us to, but as you lay your
head on your pillow, think about what was the last
thing you did? Okay, before I I watched the show
on television, But before I did that, I was up

(53:21):
and I brushed my teeth. And then go backward. Then
we did a podcast, and then before I try to
go all the way through your day to the beginning.
And usually as you're going through the day, you're going backward.
You're doing a review. Is there anything that I could
have done differently? You know, did I do something wrong?
Kind of thing over this like review backwards so that

(53:41):
you can, you know, make amends. You can straighten it
up and not deal with it, because if you go
to sleep with it, then it absorbs into your being
and it becomes a part of you, and so it's
a lot harder to get it out later. But it
also makes for you know, you being able to hear

(54:04):
from God and have beautiful dreams or travel in your
dreams or whatever it is that most of us are
looking to do. You're not being chastised and corrected, you know,
all the time in your dreams or having nightmares. Most
of the time those nightmares and the chastisement, it reflects
something that you've done or doing during the day.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, something that you've pushed down and not not been
honest about. A lot of times it comes out later
snoring on camera, I saw I can't remember what it was,
but I saw somebody making the distinction between visions and visualization,

(54:45):
saying that visualization is when you your conscious mind visualizes
something like because I've been reading The Game of Life
by Laurence Shen and she talks a lot about visualizing
and creating visual cues and things like that. But that

(55:06):
is your conscious mind acting. And then visions come through
intuition comes through being tapped into the spirit and things
coming from the spirit realm. It was Neat reading Shoot,
what's it called Angels in Nature? Christopher reading that book,

(55:30):
he talks a lot about when he's going into receive.
He wants to receive visions from God, right, and he
will start with visualization, like he'll start with his imagination
and visualization and go on this journey. But then at
some point it'll switch and God will take over and
take him into these amazing experiences and stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I mean, that's usually what happens when I try to
know every night, me too, trying to go to sleep,
you know, it's like you start thinking of something and
that thing kind of morphs and turns into a dream.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, And that's probably one reason we're supposed to meditate
on like good things.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I can't even say the scripture because I'll mess it up,
But whatever is good and honest and true and faithful,
And I know that's probably not what it says, but
it's the gist of it. Meditate on those things because
that's what you're going to receive.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, yep, garbage in, garbage out.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, wan do one more?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Oh, but both of these are so good. I'll just
do this one. In your research, have you found biblical
support for practices like divination, incense, or natural magic when
done in alignment with God.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yes, yes, I'm working on a divination course. I've got
a lot of notes on divination. I love divination in
the Bible and the ancient practice of divination. First of all,
divination by definition just means getting messages from the divine whatever,

(57:25):
something other than human perception or human intelligence, and that
includes God, that includes the angels. To start as close
to home to kind of get over the fear of it,
because just the fear of that word divination and what

(57:46):
it means, it's believing that God can speak to you
through something, and the closest thing to Christianity, I would
say that, you know. Two to start with would be
do you think that God speaks to you through the Bible?
And most Christians unequivocally would say yes. Yeah. When I
read the word Man, I get inspired and God, the
Holy Spirit is speaking to me Man right now. When

(58:09):
I read the Man I read first John Man, I
tell you that I was just crying and the Holy
Spirit ministered, and you know, I got dreams and visions
and imagination. That's divination. By definition, that's called divination. That
God is speaking to you through a book, it's actually
called bibliomancy. But prayer, if you you prayed, you use

(58:30):
your speech to talk to God, and you open your
heart and you talk to God, and does God talk back.
It's one thing for you to talk to God, and
that I don't that wouldn't be divination. But if God
talks back, then that's divination. And that's what true prayer is.
They say, prayer is when we talk to God, but
meditation is when God talks back. And those two usually

(58:53):
go hand in hand. So there's so many biblical examples,
new and Old Testament of divinate divinatory practices. I say this,
this is what I have written in my material, is
that you need to learn to hear God speaking so
clearly that it doesn't matter what he uses. You can

(59:17):
see him in it, and you can hear him, and
you get so good at hearing him in all situations,
all circumstances. It doesn't matter if he speaks through the wind,
if he's speaking through the leaves, if he's speaking through
the writing of the wall, or Donkey's talking to you,
you know, the clouds. It doesn't matter opening up the Bible,
reading the cat in the hat. You know, it doesn't

(59:39):
matter every because nothing cannot not speak. Everything speaks, and
it's just your ability to perceive or to listen of
who and what is speaking to you. And if you'll
believe it and lean into it, God will speak to
you through all things. So that's we're talking about dreams

(59:59):
and visions and elementals and fairies and angels coming to you,
all that forms of divination of the Divine Creator speaking
to you through those things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So good, and you expound on it a bit in
the book To Do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I talk about divination in the book. Yeah. This
the book came out against six years ago. Six years ago.
It's a you know, I've come a long way in
six years. I would say. It's an overview of a
lot of different experiences that that I've had, and I've

(01:00:36):
had so much, so many more since then, and also
going into biblical examples that kind of mirror those experiences
with elementals and channeling and you know, out of body experiences,
the third eye and meditation, all that kind of stuff, elementals,
demons and how it all works together.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yeah, it's a it's a beautiful book and overview, and
I think it for a lot of people, things that
they've experienced kind of gave them some validation. You know,
it's not evil necessarily, They're not alone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, that was like the main thing too, them know
it's not evil and things that would appear evil or
they would think it was evil or they were told
was evil. And I'll share this story. I've shared it before,
but especially since you brought up Chris Carter, was that
when I was writing the book and we're getting through
the editing process, Aaron edited the book and she she

(01:01:32):
did not get to thank you in it. I'm sorry
for that, but I'm thinking you now on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Thank you. You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
You're welcome. That's us. I was writing the book and
it was I was finishing up around the time where
a lot of Christian audience was start and listened to
me again because I had went through the journey of

(01:02:04):
like trying to infiltrate and tap into the New Age
market and using that as a ministry, like let me
go on their shows, let me, let me interview them,
and let me you know, be a you know, let
me bring the gospel to them strategically. And that's what
I did and Uh and I didn't speak too much
Christian Eese kind of thing. And but during the time

(01:02:26):
that time of finishing the book, Uh Karna and Kingdom
Talks and those guys Michael Basham, they really embraced me
and it was interviewing me and interviewed me a lot,
and I wanted me to be a part of things
that they were doing and stuff. And it was a
really beautiful welcome from the Christian charismatic and mystical movement

(01:02:51):
that were open to a lot of the things that
I was sharing, which because it kind of felt like
I was shunned by the Church, you know, for trying
to share any deep stuf of years ago. So I
went towards the New Age community. So we're finishing the book,
like what's going in there? What's not and I'm talking,

(01:03:11):
I'm going through something. I'm kind of wrestling because now
that all these Christians like consuming the content and stuff,
and there's there were two chapters that I was like,
I don't know if I want to put them in
there now, because I know there's gonna be a lot
of Christians buying this. And it was me speaking about
plant medicine, psyched my experience with psychedelic mushrooms, which you

(01:03:37):
know you have to get the book to read about it.
But it was that and I talked about I guess aliens.
I think it was an alien chapter. Yeah, Aliens and
in plant Medicine. I was like, you know, I don't
know if I want to put those parts in the

(01:03:58):
book because it's gonna and I'm not gonna be able
to go on sid roths, you know what I'm saying.
And yeah, going to sid Roth and what's the prophetic
word for America? And uh, you know. So I was
just wrestling with it, and I remember calling Chris Carter
and Chris had a couple of books under his belt

(01:04:20):
and he loved me, and I loved him, and I said, hey, man,
I need some counsel. You know, I'm almost done with
this book. And I just kind of framed the whole
thing up just like this, you know, audience wise, blah
blah blah. He said, no, man, put it in the book.
He's like, that's why we love you, because you're, you know,
unapologetically you, and you're not afraid to speak about these things,

(01:04:41):
and we need Christians speaking about these things from your
perspective and your wisdom and stuff, and so, you know,
instead of like trying to renigg and he's like, no, man,
just double down. This is what God gave you and
God made you who you are and put it in
the book. And so I was like, all right, man,
they're going in the book, and I think I've you know,
I think one person literally like flipped out on me

(01:05:04):
and said, oh, this is demonic kind of thing out
of like everybody who was like blessed by it and
and and found validation in it. There was one person
who kind of flipped out on me or whatever when
they read it, read those parts in it. I was like,
you know what, I knew that was gonna happen. But yeah,
I'm so I'm so proud of this book. Somebody asked

(01:05:26):
me when when the next one's coming out? Who knows?
Who knows. I got a lot of a lot of
things that I've expounded on and written about and my
personal notes and stuff that that may may make a
good Part two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Definitely, it's a spirit realm.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
The other book is going to be the Etheric Realm,
and then the natural Realm. Yeah, then the seer Realm,
all of them. We're going to explore all the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Joke.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I was joking with my friend Matt Matt Young. He
did a post the other day talking about the prophetic
and the just all these viral prophets popping up and
all this kind of stuff, and I was like, yeah, man,
you go viral. You know, just use the word realm,
put realm in it. And I think he I think
his word. I think he has a book called Seer Realm,

(01:06:19):
I think, and mine is Spirit Realm. And I'm just joking,
but like that, we've seen like prophetic ministers and stuff
who just make up realms. This is the realm of
the spirit, this is the realm of the divine creatures.
That the realms of the realms of this and it
just make it up realms. It's like, are these like
are these dimensions the realm? Yeah? Lords of the realm.

(01:06:42):
It's like, yeah, it sounds good. You know, was like, Hey,
I'm kind of this in myself because I used to
Spirit Realm.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
You know, it's a beautiful book, a lot of information
in it. You did a great job on it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
So one thing we do, uh get a lot of
feedback on once people find out people who do listen
to the audiobook and then they see the book. Yeah,
it's like they're like, oh, I didn't know I had
pictures in it. There's a ton of pictures in it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yeah, really cool old pictures that are hard to find
that you were able to get put in there and published.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Yep, And it's like, man, I didn't know I had pictures.
Then I always show would have got through the physical copy.
So if you get a physical copy and come to
a retreat or a gathering or a concert and see
us in person, I will autograph it for you. I
will sign it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
And we usually do have some paperbacks that retreats too.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Yeah, us paperbacks, but if you want the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Hardcover, you're gonna have to order it on Amazon and
bring it with you. And just wanted to give Christopher
Carter another little shout out. The place where we're having the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Retreat, Oh man, so many He's going to be there. Yes,
So that's the answer. From October fifth through the seventh,
I'll be communing with Christopher Carter.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
I got to look up and see if there's anything
I know time birthday uptown don't even.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Know, but uh, the place where we're going to be
in Anderson South Carolina. The Bill and Nancy, the people
who owned the property there, loved and adored Chris Carter,
and they invited him out to the property to help
set up a sacred circle of stones. And so Christopher
Carter hand placed these stones, hand picked their locations to

(01:08:22):
line up with the equinoxes the solstice, I believe solstice.
And uh, so he's walked this property, he's had time
to appreciate it and spend sacred moments there with Bill
and Nancy with the stones, and uh you know, I'm
I'm grateful to have been there, and hopefully we'll get

(01:08:45):
to commune with his spirit there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
For sure. I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen now.
So shout out again to oh, y'all already doing it.
He set it up or he arranged it. Yeah. Yeah,
if you want tickets, you want to be a part
of that, go to Seer Dot School if you're If
you haven't done our meditations. We both have meditations that
we have out at Seer School. There's a free one

(01:09:11):
as well. You know, we we mentioned starting off with
the imagination. Like in meditation, I like to I like
to get to a place too where it's like it's
God like He's showing me things with it, and I'm
just like usually open, like whatever you want to show me,
that's what I want. I don't want to go in
and focus on this flame or I'm gonna go to

(01:09:34):
this place. I don't usually do that, but sometimes it
could take a while for you to get relaxed and
for your mind to relax. So I found eventually that
first of all, breathwork helps you to go into the
trance state, but also listening to guided meditations to start with,
and so that's where our meditations come in. They are

(01:09:57):
super immersive. They're they're designed to be that way. They're
not just us talking. There's music and sound effects, and
some of them have voice actors and stuff that we've
hired that take you on journeys or play the parts
of angels and Jesus and stuff like that. But to
listen to that to begin with before you go into

(01:10:18):
your meditation, it really helps. And so we definitely give
that to you guys as a free gift if you
go to see her dot school to check out the
Throne Room Meditation if you haven't, it's it's a beautiful
encounter and there's there's so many more on there just
for you, just to explore. I cry, I ball every
time I listen to any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Yeah, they're very beautiful encounters. Every time the encounter feels
a little different too, I think, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah, I'm ready to make some more. And I feel
like I'm about to release another one because I dreamed
about it last night. I actually woke up this rising
with it with it on my my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
My heart has a good indicator it's time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Yeah, so in the day it is still young, be
able to get some writing done.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
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I already know what it's supposed to do. I just
got to get it out of me. I just had
to wrestling with this one for years. Yeah, the winds
and waves.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Well, whenever you get ready to sit down and write it,
you know you'll have your magic mind to help you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I have the Holy Spirit to help me. But yeah,
I don't need that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
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them true secret sents you. Yeah, pure pressure, I'm doing it.
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Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Ladies and gentlemen. I think it's I think it's it.
Go buy a ticket because they are selling out pretty
pretty fast. We got so many people in our community
buying them. Like that's I'm excited because people in the community, like, yes,
only I don't think there are no strangers, you know,
we meet people for the first time there sometimes, But like,
I'm so excited that people in the community that we've

(01:13:09):
been fellowshiping with online twice a week for like a
couple of years. So they're like they're coming a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Lot of repeats too. A lot of people who've been
to other retreats are coming. So like if you've been
to one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Before, that says a lot for me, and you want.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
To come and see some you might see somebody who
was at your retreat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
For sure. I already know because already two people that
drove all the way from South Carolina, yeah to Alabama
when we hosted it in Alabama, they came and I
were coming to them and they both have tickets. So
that's cool. Yep. Yeah, I'm excited to hang out with everybody.
It's so much fun and I think it does. It
says a lot for me to to like, you know,

(01:13:47):
with with concerts and music and stuff, like you've seen,
you've been the one, You've been to them all. You know,
it's like I went to a true secret retreat, but
like now I'm going to another. It's like what we
do have repeat a ten I wouldn't have repeat offenders.
We have repeat attenders. Yeah, and they come to like
all the retreats because they're fun and their family.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
And so fun. It is like a family reunion, even
if you've never met our community or met us in person,
like it. It's pretty quick that we all start meshing
and feeling like a big family.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yeah, you feel like that's the thing. You feel like
you've known people your whole life just like you. So
check it out. See you dot school, truth Seeker dot com.
We love y'all, will do it again. Peace, everybody,

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