He Spoke of Jesus More Beautifully Than Most Pastors — Why Is He Hated? Manly P. Hall - Angel Encounters

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, what's up, ladies and gentlemen. Aaron, just were you
not ready?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
You caught me taking a sip of my beverage.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Yeah, beverage, a little bit of Yeah, I think we're live.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, Welcome, Welcome to the Truska and Aaron Podcast live
stream Thursday night. Our communities here hanging out on the
on the zoom m. I might be asking some questions
in a little while they.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Have any Yeah, I'm sure they will have a lot
of questions. We're going to be addressing comments, a comment
in particular. We don't want to sew anybody under the bus,
but we get this comment a lot. So that's why
it doesn't like people leave these comments publicly, so they
you know, wanted to maybe address them publicly or re

(00:54):
apply to them publicly. But we've been getting these comments
for years and we're going to still get him after this.
But I just want to I believe that honor is key.
Honor is key where you honor where you get your information.
And we're going to be talking about Manly p. Hall

(01:16):
and comments that we're getting from people saying that he
was a known Satanist.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, a known Satanist. That's a pretty blatant accusation.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, it is a known Satanist, Like you know, you
should make it, make it known, like everybody knows that
you are maybe a card carrying Yeah, Satanists.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Which newsflash, people say about us too, so that those
kinds of comments, you know, that we're witches or Satanists
or those kinds of comments get said about us a
lot too. So yeah, I think it makes me want
to defend other people just because it's for sure for.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Sure, But yeah, I mean I have to. And there's
many reasons We're going to go into this conversation about
Manly P. Hall and his Is he a Satanist? And
you know why I like him? Those kinds of things.
So I did a meditation. It was like a story.

(02:25):
I took one of his stories and kind of made
it into one of like my interactive meditations. I read
his story and I put audio to it because like
reading it, it was so immersive, like I felt like
I was there in the journey and the things that
I was reading about, like I was really immersed in
that in that story. So I wanted to add what

(02:45):
I was hearing, waterfalls in the background, you know, footsteps,
all that kind of stuff magical sounds and you know,
on Wonder and that kind of thing. I was like, man,
this would be a really immersive meditation experience. So I
I made it. I guess it was in twenty twenty
one because I seen the post scroll on Facebook in

(03:08):
twenty twenty one. I made it. And so the meditation
is from his book called The Ways of the Lonely Ones,
and it's a story called The Face of Christ. And
I remember reading that story and just balling like a baby,
just in tears, feeling the Holy spirits, just me reading

(03:30):
it and like oh man, and feeling so inspired, like
I gotta, I gotta pay this forward. You know, this
isn't this is an encounter for somebody, you know. So
I recorded myself reading it. I'm not the best reader.
Oh come on, Okay, I'm pretty good.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm a great, very good reader.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
In Jesus name, I recorded myself reading it. That just
lets you know how much I wanted to be put out.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I wanted to read the story and add music and
all that kind of stuff. So it's in immersive story
that I did. I was really proud of it. Put
it out, shared it on Facebook for the world, put
it out there, and I guess I I guess it was.
I was getting traffic at the time. I was getting
a lot of feedback, a lot of people on the

(04:14):
page and stuff like that, and a tons of comments.
The most majority of comments were from Christians, uh, saying
that essentially this comment Manly P. Hall was a known Satanist.
How could you promote his work? How could you cite
his work? You know, you're promoting a Satanist, You're promoting

(04:37):
the occult, and I'm unfollowing you. You know, oh my god,
you're promoting a freemason. This is this is the final
straw with you. Like tons of comments.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
But their granddad was probably a freemason and they had
no problem.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
With that, right, you know, maybe they did. I didn't
ask him about that, but I was like, I was
kind of let down because it's like, obviously, I want
to introduce Manley pe Hall to the world, to a
world that don't know him people, and it's particularly that story,
that story by itself, and so all of these comments,

(05:12):
it's bombard it Facebook, and I'm like, man, like, I'm
going back and forth a little bit. Man, Just y'all
didn't even listen to the to the audio. They didn't
click the video like I worked hard on this. Saw
the name Manley P. Hall the Face of Christ read
by Trusika Immersive Story or whatever, and so I was like, man,

(05:32):
I was like, you know what if I was to
re upload that video and take Manley P. Hall's name
out of it and just share it for what it was,
people would be able to experience it and not be
worded out just because they see that name, and they
would listen to it and they wouldn't bat an eye.
They would feel the Holy Spirit. God would encounter them

(05:54):
and meet them in their room like he met me
when I felt that the spirit of inspiration through the
Holy Spirit, you know, and it just made me saying
so but part of me was like, yeah, just do that.
But I'm I'm I'm a you know, I want to
honor the person. I want to honor the vessel, honor
his his work. And so you know, it's personal to

(06:17):
a degree because people do that with us. People might
like a comment or they can't share it, or they
can't let people know they listen to our podcast and
they want to share our podcast. Man that was a
real or whatever. Oh I can't, I can't because the
last time I shared it, you know, my pastor stepped
down to me. My pastor punched me dead on my

(06:38):
chests and knocked me to the ground. You know, It's like,
why you hit me, pastor? Aren't you a man of guy?
I'm ranting right now, But I hope I'm making sense,
and I know I'm speaking to the choir. You know,
I know people know exactly what I'm what I'm speaking of.
And if you if you don't on the awakening journey,
especially if you deal with you know, the religious I'm
thinking majority you're going to get that. So I didn't

(07:01):
want to take his name off of it and share it.
I wanted to put it there, but I still I
lost a lot of followers. I don't care. But we're
going to talk about, you know, is it appropriate or
is he a Satanist? Because if he is a Satanist,
let it be known. Maybe there's something I don't know,
but we're going to look to look up some quotes

(07:22):
from a couple different books, a couple of different resources
that we have enjoyed by Manley P. Hall, where he
speaks about Christ, he speaks about Jesus the Christ, he
speaks about the Bible and you you put together a
couple slides and some quotes that that stood out to you,

(07:45):
And yeah, we're going to get into that in a
little bit, and let us know in the comment section.
Everybody who is listening watching live with us, everybody on Zoom.
So we're gonna open it up about an hour in,
I guess to open up for comments for people on
the Zoom call. So we're doing a Zoom call right now.

(08:06):
But for those of you who are watching live, you're
you don't. You don't see that. So there's another camera
here where our Zoom family is watching. And well, if
you guys want to jump in the conversation, just raise
your hand and we'll let you guys know. Hopefully you
got something that you can add to the conversation. Maybe
you got something you can push back, because this is
about dialogue.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
And if anybody's not familiar with Manly P. Hall and
his works at all, like, let us know that too,
because I didn't. I wasn't familiar with him until recently.
I had heard the name, but just in the past
year really I started reading his his works, his books
and diving into that.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
So yeah, I mean I would have to put myself
in those people's shoes to a degree too, because I
know when I was reading anything outside of Christian literature
about religion and philosophy, there's this fear in hysteria. You know,
it's like, oh, this this is taboo. You're not supposed
to because they brainwashed us, telling us like, we can

(09:07):
read about other religions, but it had to come from
a Christian. And I'm telling you anything that you read
about other religions, it's going to be flavored and seasoned
a certain way to be some type of dig to
show why they're inferior and our tradition is superior.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Kind of goes back to like who writes the history books.
The story is very different from each person's perspective.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
So now you got people who watch YouTube videos and
listen to their pastor now they know everything about freemasonry.
Now they know everything about Manley pe Hall. But I'm
going to tell you there's some books that you guys
never cite. The some quotes you never nobody's going to
tell you from Manley pe Hall where he spoke and
articulated very beautifully about Jesus of Nazareth and the Christy,

(09:56):
and it's amazing. It's very heartfelt. He wrote in Hire
Books on it. I'm gonna hold this book here this uh,
this camera here where we look into that camera and
sell this book. Souh. This is the Mystical Christ by
Manly P. Hall. Amazing read.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
This is the one My quotes came from it. How
to Understand Your Bible, A Philosopher's interpretation of obscure and
puzzling passages.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Super good, very old.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
As you can tell, I had to tape the like
we like old books.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
We like old books, but this, this book is amazing.
So I will say that as we were kind of
searching and going through trying to find like elementary like
he speaks to the mystic, you know what I'm saying.
And he spoke to the mystic in me. What is
that the person that that is like the deep calling

(10:51):
out to deep and like and we and then reading
his words and feeling what I know by the comments,
what people feel when we pay this forward and do
the same thing and don't be ashamed of it. You
feel like somebody understands you. And you're talking about somebody
growing up in the South, you know, the Bible Belt Christian,

(11:13):
you know, coming from being a Christian rapper and Christian
evangelist trying to find somebody in Alabama in twenty eleven
who understands you is a you know, we had to
raise the standard and there wasn't no, there wasn't many. Yeah,
it wasn't many. There were friends that embraced us and
loved us regardless they still didn't know what the hell

(11:34):
we were talking about. Yeah, but they were still friends.
But when you find a philosopher or an author, or
you know, an artist, the hip hop artist or you
know whatever genre where you're like, man, that that's for me,
Like the's talking talking directly to me, it means a lot.

(11:58):
So the part of us that would want to water
down I would We can get way more views we
could reach, you know, we can tap into that that choir,
tap into it. But it's not worth it. It's not
what we're called to do. You know. I've been like
people have tried to get me to do that. I

(12:20):
just it wouldn't be me.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not really. I'm not really of
the mind to want to tear things down. I would
rather put energy to and uplift the things I do
believe in. I don't know. That's just where I'm at
lately anyway, and I keep seeing things in texts and
the Bible and the apocryphal that just backs it up.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, just to be honest, be authentic, because that's what
it's about, right, And you know that's one of the
things we get while people listen and could they say
we're authentic, can be themselves And there's not a lot
of places that you could go where you can be

(13:07):
yourself and be celebrated, not just tolerated. Yeah, but it's
celebrated and uh, and we want to We have built
a platform for many years when it wasn't popular. I
think it's getting more more and more popular. Yeah, but

(13:28):
we're still going to hold that that ground.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Thank you Joe Berkholder for the super chat.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Joe, where you at man? I know joke can add
into this conversation. Brother, Hey, the zoom the zoom link
is open, brother, on on wherever you're supporting us, if
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Speaker 2 (13:51):
You want to start me by me reading the comment
verbatim I won't say who said it.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Okay, So it's because it's a long comment, right, it's
kind of long. Okay, yeah, yeah, give them more context.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Okay. So the person's comment that we were talking about,
it's on our conversation that we had with Ai Jordan
Maxwell two days ago. We had a conversation with an
Ai model that you created really cool. It pulls from
his works, his body of work, and it sounds so
much like him, And because he was a personal friend

(14:21):
of yours, it's personal and anyway, it's just a really
fun tool, fun thing to play with. And so we
had a podcast where we had a conversation with him
and talked about Manly P. Hall because I think I
asked him, or you asked him what book he would
recommend for if he could recommend one book, and he

(14:43):
picked Manley P. Hall's The Secret Teachings of all AGAs.
So the comment is, I'm really confused here because I
remember seeing you two guys on broadcast with Christians. However,
now you're engaging in such things as this, especially the
writings of Manly P. Hall, completely cultic, esoteric society person

(15:04):
and known Satanist.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, you can't hold on like you kind of got me,
caught me off guard. He's a known Satanist because I
didn't know that. And I know I got collectives, yeah, books,
I collect his writings. I didn't know he was. I
didn't know it was known. I didn't get the memo
that he was a known Satanist.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, and you you've spoke to Jordan so many times,
and Jordan owned his body of work for a while,
didn't he. I mean, he he was very well versed
on Maley p. Hall and he never said anything about
him being a Satanist.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Because people say he's a Satanist too.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well. The rest of the comment goes on to say,
but now it sounds like you're promoting this kind of
thinking and teaching. By the way, Jesus never had a
staff or a rod or a magic wand he never
had to use anything like that. The power of his
miracles was his word and his faith, because he was
the Word of God in flesh. That's what he taught us. Also,
you guys are really out in the left field, and

(16:04):
I don't think you're even in the same ball field
as the Bible teaches. Not trying to be too critical,
but someone please.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Tell me if I mean, you don't understand, but but
what so if here, here's the deal. We said, well
outside of the ballpark of the Bible.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Not even in the not even in the field.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Here's the deal. Let's get let's it's reeling in the Bible.
Let's real in the Bible. Then, because the Bible says this,
do not bear false witness against your brethren. That's a sin. Two.
So if Manly P. Hall was not a known Satanist

(16:54):
and you go around and tell people that he is,
that's not okay Biblically, it's a sin. It's not okay
for you to make up lies and spread rumors off
of something you heard because you didn't read that. You
didn't read none of these books on Christ. The man

(17:14):
speaks very highly of Christ. We're going to get into
some of his some of his quotes. But he's got
I mean, he's got books upon books upon books about
all types of subjects. Yeah, it's like it's okay to
like explore.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, and that's what he does. And the tone of
his works that I've read so far are he presents
the facts that he has discovered, and he cites his
sources like he really doesn't give you much from opinion
either way. He just presents the facts that he's found
and tells you where he got him from and kind
of lets you make up your own your own mind.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't say, this is what we believe,
and this is what we do and this is how
you do it. No, he said, this is what they believe,
this is how they and he just covers world religions,
sects you've never heard of, going deeper into where they
got their understanding from where you know disappeared first. And

(18:13):
for those of you who want to get to the original,
get to the source. Man salute and shout out to
like Manly P. Hall and everybody that you know he's researched,
and the philosophers and the books that he's read and
the books that he's.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Written, because he's found and discovered some writings that like
we would not have access to today that he's been
able to read and cite his sources and tell you
exactly where he got them where they can't. It's kind
of hard to follow sometimes because he'll go on a
rabbit trail telling you about you got texts and where
it came from and who delivered it there so you
kind of have to follow the rabbit trail all the

(18:50):
way back around to the point.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
But well, it's like to think that the Bible is
any different. Yeah, he's here's the difference between that sentiment
and the Bible. The Bibles, most of the times you're
not getting the source. You're getting the citation, but you're

(19:15):
getting it interpreted into a different language English, most likely
from Greek. But that Greek text you're not told where
who said it first and where it came from.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
They just smushed it all together into one book, and
so we kind of have been trained to look at
it as one book, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, when Paul says, and this is many Christians state this,
they're talking about God. That's in him we live and move,
and in Him we have our being. That's Bible. Brother,
Paul is quoting the Hymn of Zeus, the hymn the

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Praise Song of Zeus. He's quoting it in the context
of talking about our creator, talking about like getting to
him through these texts. The way that you guys understand
this is talking about our creator. And that's just one
I mean, but that's one that's agreed upon by I

(20:16):
mean that's not even a deep one for real. There's
so much more, you know that that we don't know
because we don't we haven't read. But if you've, if
you've read. But the early Christians were not stupid, well,
they couldn't read. They were fishers. They were fishermen. They
couldn't read. They had to have somebody to read it

(20:38):
for them. And we told you all of this stuff
they saw. Man, these people were mystics. These people like
they were super duper spiritual. The Christians were so like.
But they were well trained in the mysteries. They were
initiated into the deeper teachings in.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
A lot of that stuff. A lot of the things
that were in these texts have been edited and translated
and cut out. And you know, we read the King
James Bible, but what King James did to the Bible,
you know, and who decided what got to leave in
the Bible and what was taken out, all of those

(21:21):
kinds of decisions definitely altered the text.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I just opened this up to a random spot because
I didn't have many quotes in here that I felt
like I can share the mystic ascends through the experience
of Jesus by consecration and purification. The noble example of
the Nazarene becomes the life in the way of his followers.

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If they would know his mystery, they must obey his instructions.
If you would be my disciples, take up your cross
and follow me. The story of Jesus, as given in
the Gospels, is there for the eternal account of the
truth seeker. There's a reason. There's a reason. Manly, there's

(22:08):
the reason Jesus here's this is what we're taught. And
this is what I remember hearing this from inmates that
I worked with back in the day, who were like
most practicing Islam. And they would they knew I was
a Christian, and we would argue and stuff, and I
say stuff about Jesus, but they would never say anything

(22:28):
bad about Jesus. They would never say anything bad about them.
And said, now we honor salute all prophets, all prophets
of God an all the messengers. We salute them, all
all the truth seekers and truth speakers. Jordan Maxwell said this,
Never trust the man who comes to you claiming that
he has that he has the truth. But you can

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always trust the person who's seeking it. And Manly p
haul Jesus Christ. These were people who sought the truth
and found it. We encourage men to seek after the truths,
but crucify them once they claimed that they found it,
just the way that the story goes.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, that's definitely what happened to Jesus. Well, do you
want to read quotes now? I just read one. So
my first quote is going to be from again how
to Understand Your Bible. And this one was cool, and

(23:28):
I've cut mine down because it was hard to pick
like one or two sentences because the whole thing was
so good.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I just want to keep reading.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
So the first one I have is from extensive research.
I'm convinced that, regardless of historical controversy, our true Christian
mysticism lies not in the acceptance of historical facts, but
in the inward spiritual perception of divine truths. So a
lot of the stuff in this book, he's talking about
the symbolism between the literal story and the mystical counterparts

(24:07):
of it, and there's so many there's so many things
that if you just read it literally as if they
were just literal men, and they may have been literal men.
I'm not saying that they weren't.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, that's where you can't. You can't say that the
Christians like even if you think that, or you can't
even admit it, like they might not have been literal.
It's like, ah, I got you, he said, Jesus wasn't real.
It's like, listen, I don't here, but here's the truth.
You can't even you can't even say this truth. And
this is the truth. You can't even say this. I

(24:41):
don't know. Yeah, I wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, even Jesus said, beware of the scribes, so beware
of the people who make the text like I wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I don't. I don't know. Here's what I do know
by denying his existence something noting his no, I'm saying
I don't know. I didn't deny it. I can't prove
it either, and you can. This is no, I can't.
You can. I can't. I wasn't there. I'll I'll be

(25:17):
lying to you, to you, I know that he existed.
Here's what I know. Here's what I know, and here's
what I do. I live my life like he did.
I lived my life, and I and I like like
those were literal people and a literal that literally existed.
I do live my life that way, and I do.
I do believe that. I believe it. Yeah, I don't

(25:41):
know it. I don't know it. I don't know that, Michael,
Michael Jackson, Now you're getting great. No, I don't know.
I never met my I never seen him at concert.
I never never hugged him. I never shook his hand.
I don't know. But all y'all know. So y'all, y'all know.
I just they can't take her out. They can't tell

(26:02):
the truth. I know he was real. Here's what I know.
I know that when when I when I pray, when
I talk to when I meditate upon his words, when
when I treat Jesus as if he hears me and
cares about me and understands me, he speaks to me,

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he is real. It's not that he was real. What
he is real. He's the King, He's he's real. I
wasn't there. Then, I can't tell you. You know, if
it was a white dude that looked like me with
long hair and a beard, and you know, walking with
robes and sandals, I don't know that that's what he

(26:48):
looked like. I don't know that. Yeah, I know that
when I humble myself and I pray. He hears me,
and he speaks to me, and he protects me. That's
all I have to know. I was, isn't there.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, it's the Christ in you, the one you have
a relationship with, the one that shows up when you
call on them.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, So shout out to Josh Fluman. I don't know
when I were talk going on this road the literal
literal versus allegorical interpretation, but that's one thing that gets
him and it will probably get a lot of Christians.
So we'll do that. Like it's kind of scary because
it almost is like you're denying that He existed, because

(27:32):
the scripture says, I think it's in relations I think
maybe Galatians our Ephesians, that pretty much is like a
rebuke to anybody who claims that Christ didn't come bodily,
that Christ did not appear bodily, come bodily, and it's

(27:52):
like watch out for those people kind of thing. And
so when we even if we was to question that,
they kind of lean into that. All you're still questioning
that he came bodily. The scripture says, don't you can't
question it. Here's the deal. When if Christ is in you,
the hope of Glorio is inside of you. He came bodily,

(28:13):
it's within you, He's within humanity. He's within everybody who
leans into love, everybody who is called by his name.
That's how we communicate with Christ, That's how we talk
to him and honor him, even it's through each other.
So it doesn't it's okay to ask questions, is what

(28:37):
we're getting at, And it's okay to not know, because
what you'll find out is what people start when they
don't know. They make stuff up. Like Manly P. Hall
is a known Satanist. You made that up. I'm sorry.
Somebody told you that. You got to show me how
you got to that conclusion because he didn't. He wasn't

(29:01):
a known Satanist.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
And then you have to ask to what is a
Satanist to you? Like, do they even know what a
Satanist really is?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Right?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Because that's pretty deep too.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
No, they definitely no places that I'd love to talk about,
but I don't know if it's right. Oh yeah, I'm
definitely I'm following these two now. Oh yeah, I follow
my intuition. These guys are.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Hey, I used to take the Satanic Bible to school
when I was in high school.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, you should probably have you read the Satanic Bible,
right right.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I don't follow that path anymore. Guys, It's okay.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Have you have you read The Mystical Christ by Manly P. Hall.
Have you read his pamphlet on the Holy Spirit? Have
you read Have you read that? Before making such statements.
I'm gonna go to the second part of this quote.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, okay, So my next one. He's talking about the
symbolism of the baptisms, the baptism of water and fire,
and he said, by John baptizing with water, Israel is
represented as possessing the lesser, lesser mysteries. Because he talks
about how John represents more of the human nature, the

(30:24):
earthly side. Because even like his clothing, like being clothed
in skins and eating the plants and the honey and
the locusts, which that's debatable if it was bugs or
a plant, right, nobody do that. But his diet, his clothing,
his appearance, being rugged and living out in the wilderness,
represents earth, the lower nature. Not talking about the sin nature.

(30:48):
I'm just talking about things of being earthly and things
of the spirit. The ethereal. And then he said, in Christ,
by baptizing with fire, is made to present the greater mysteries,
talking about all the things of the Spirit, and even
interpreting this word of the Spirit rather than just literal.

(31:09):
Not that that section was really cool. Okay, this one's long,
But this was another section in the book where he's
talking about astronomy. Thus, astronomy plays an important part in
Biblical symbolism. The Christian dispensation occurred near the end of

(31:30):
the cycle of the Ram and close to the beginning
of the cycle of the Fish. This is talking about
the zodiac in the sky.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
The Now you got to go back and do the groundwork.
But I told you the money. I told you, he's
the monic monomy.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
No, no, just listen. Jesus refers to himself as the Alpha
and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning
and the end. The first sign of the zodiac is aries,
the ram, and the last sign of the zodiacis Pisces
the fish. Therefore, Jesus is truly the Lamb of God

(32:06):
and the fisher of men. The lamb and the fish
were the only Christian symbols known to the early Church.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, there's a he is the gate the way that
mystery is revealed in Neoplatonism and theogy where they understood
the mysteries, which those dudes were like truly the Christian mystics,

(32:42):
but they were well read mystics. It was the idea
that you know, mystics are just people that contemplate and
you know, sit in silence or whatever. But these guys
were read. They read, and they wrote that. They wrote
about this that areas it's Christ is the first and
the last because in those two gates are the same.

(33:04):
That and they say that we enter into the earth
plane through aries and then you make your way through
the spheres and you exit through pisces and that. But
it was the same gait and that was like the

(33:24):
big revelation that they were the same. And then as
I'm listening to these guys like break down some really
deep stuff, I'm reminded of Jesus being the first and
the last, and him being the alpha and the omega,
the olive and the tav like he's the beginning and

(33:46):
the end. He is the amen. Right, He's he's all
of it, all of it is pointing to him, all
of his pointing to him to be being the way
the way, and in that sense this is jumping deep
into astrology and astronomy. But the way is the Milky Way,
and that they believe that the souls incarnated into this

(34:12):
sphere that we call Earth through the Milky Way, which
its original name is Jacob's Ladder. The Milky Way was
originally called Jacob's Ladder, and that they would descend to Earth,
come here and incarnate, be tested, to be tempted, to

(34:32):
be tried, to be baptized with fire, and then that
they would make it back into the heavenly abode, back
to their dwelling place, be judged or be let back
in and shown to show themselves approved here, well done,
that good and faithful servant these guys were. This is
this is pre Bible stuff or pre New Testament, that

(34:56):
all this understanding came before the New Testament even written.
They were talking about the way, the truth and the life.
They're talking about this is the way to the Father,
this is the way to get back home, This is
the way to ascend. And the Christian symbolism of the

(35:18):
fish and of the ram and all the other symbolism
as well, this is a zodiac i know, we covered
that a little bit in the last stream.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, if you missed that one, go and watch it
next because it was pretty good too, yesterday's.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
And he it was the second part to this.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
These are all different quotes, okay, okay, And then my
very last one, which was kind of the conclusion of
the book. He talks about different things you should get
to study the Bible, as in like a Greek to
like a Greek concordinance basically, and a Hebrew English dictionary,

(35:58):
different tools you can use when you're udy in the
scriptures to get more depths and meaning to it. And
he says he talks a lot about the pieces that
were cut out and where they came from and why
they were cut out and who cut them out. But
with all of the criticism of the Bible in its

(36:20):
form being, you know, he doesn't claim that it's infallible.
He claims that it's been tampered with and translated, and
some translations are incorrect, but he says, read several translations,
dig into these words and look up the meanings and
the definitions and the etymology. But his final thing that
he had to say about it was still with all
its faults, and with all its misinterpretations. The Christian Bible

(36:43):
is the greatest book in English literature, But like most
other great books, it must be approached with understanding, gentleness, impersonality,
and a sincere desire to find truth. And this is
a man that's read uncountable amounts of books. So I
think it's pretty incredible that he said it was the
greatest book in English literature. Yeah, it's because of the

(37:07):
mystical and spiritual connotations to it. He honors Jesus over
and over and over again and puts together the pieces
of the puzzle just showing the man was great. But
the spiritual connotations to everything that the man did, and
his age when he died, and where he studied when

(37:30):
he was young, all of it it matters, and it
just gives more depth and beauty to the meaning and
the story and what it means for us personally.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah. Yeah, Christ being revealed in you, and he's big
on that. So yeah, the way he writes and talks
about Christ and talks about Jesus because he you know,
this is it's too deep for the shallow minded individual.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah. I would not say pick up this book if
you're uh not, you know, if you're questioning your faith
or something like that, because it's pretty deep and you
need to be well.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I mean, I don't know, maybe it'll light a fire
within you to go deeper into your face, maybe like
on how to look at the Bible differently, like all
of that helps.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
But there was a time when I couldn't have read this,
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, it just showing the deeper aspects of Christ. And
the lady said that, or whoever wrote the comment, I
think it was. I don't know what it was, a
man or woman or transgender. I don't really I'm sorry.

(38:55):
I apologize. Yeah, I shouldn't assume.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
You never know.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You never know. But uh, what I am saying is
that because I'm a word dude. I like words. I
like the original meanings, and I want to take back.
I want to remember the original meanings. Harmoneutics. You know

(39:28):
the word of cult. She didn't put an O in
front of it, right, It was just cultic, she said,
cultic and esolitic. But usually what they mean is occultic,
you know, they because that's used as a bad word
for most Christians. Occult. The word a cult just means hidden.

(39:50):
Jordan Maxwell, this was the analogy he used to say
a cult. It's like if you take you see my hand.
If I was to place my hand in my jacket,
in my jacket pocket or under my arm, now my
hand is in a cult because it's hidden. You can't
see my hand anymore. My hand is in a cult.
So I like to mess with people just so that
it would make them think though, and say, Jesus taught

(40:13):
the occult, Jesus taught occult knowledge. Fact. Yeah, now your
your your interpretation and definition of what the word a
cult means. That's different because you know when we say

(40:33):
that Jesus taught occult knowledge. You know, that's the weird
thing with people, Like their mind goes to Jesus taught
us how to sacrifice cats? What are you talking about? Like,
what the who said that? I didn't say that Jesus
taught us the follow me, aleister Crowley, he's a cult.
Who said anything about that? People for and I'm telling

(40:56):
you that because the comment section reveals.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
That, because that's what that word means to them.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
It's what it means to them. But it's not what
the word means. It never meant that, and it's in
the Bible. That's why I like it because one of
my favorite scriptures is Jeremiah thirty three three. I've got
three thirty three as a album title, and it's you know,
it's off of synchronicity, and it's off of angelic communication

(41:22):
and context what it means. But it also I got
it because of that scripture and it essentially says this
calling to me, and I will show you great and
mighty things that you do not know and cannot find out,
the hidden things. I will show you hidden things that
you don't know and cannot find out. And this is

(41:47):
the beautiful thing about God and about this reality is
there's things that have been hidden since the foundations of
the world, that mysteries and secrets that that are still
covered there they're hidden. That blows my mind to think
about because there's nothing new under the sun, but to

(42:08):
think that there's there's mysteries and things that God has
in store that he's never shown anyone that he can't
show you maybe if you ask and he wants to,
and he wants to show off his hand, his handiwork,
his realms, his dimensions, you know, his artwork. But that

(42:34):
word and if you have a I don't speak Spanish,
but if you have a Spanish Bible, it said it literally.
It literally uses the word of Cult's I will if
you call them to me, I will answer you and

(42:54):
show you Zia Cult the hidden. I will show you
that which is hidden. It's amazing to me. I just
hard to fathom. But it's beautiful that God has hidden
things that he hasn't shown you. And the only way
that you can and you can't that there's things that

(43:16):
you can't get by reading. You can read all these books.
I can't recommend any book because it's the truth is
not in any of them, and it's in all of
them at the same time. You know, and there's certain
truth that you only get by going directly to God and.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Allowing him to show you. And a lot of the
things he'll show you you can't share with other people either.
He'll show you deep and hidden mysteries and wisdom that
it won't permit you to tell other people. And that's
probably why other people haven't told you yet. Is it
something that you have to learn from him in your

(44:00):
personal relationship with him?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, it has to be revealed. He has to pull
the scales off of your eyes so that you can
see it. The way he intended.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Mm hmm, it isn't that beautiful?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think so. It's exciting. You know. I never want
to get to the place where I think I have
it all figured out and I know it all.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Never get there. I never want to get back there.
I never want to get back there. I feel like
I felt like I was there to a degree. It's
always hindsight. I wouldn't have said that. No, I don't
know anything. I'm still learning, but I was definitely had
a chip on my shoulder and thought that I do
I did the right way. I don't anymore, but I

(44:52):
do know that Manly P. Hall was not a known Satanist.
That yeah, Was he a Freemason? Debatable? He was giving
an honorary position. It's something they do. They honored the
wisdom in him and gave him a position. Does that

(45:16):
equate to being a Satanist? That's probably what the late
the person meant. Oh, yeah, he's a he's a Mason,
And I watched this other video of how Masons are
devil worshippers. Yeah he's yeah, that's probably how that's how
it works. Simple, right, that's simple. Come on, why are
you looking for hidden mysteries. It's that simple.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Do you have a favorite book of his or a
favorite work?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Mm hmmm. I mean Secret Teachings is the great work.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
That's the one they all say, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Because it's a compilation. You know, I like I like
all of his words. I don't have a favorite. I
mean I have different ones I like for different reasons.
I like his book of poetry and poems, The Spaceborn.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I haven't read too many all the way through.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Can I go get that unless you read it read
a poem.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, but my favorite is definitely The Ways of the
Lonely Ones, the Book of Short Stories, and yeah, that's yeah,
that's my favorite.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
And that's like his original stuff. You know. It wasn't
even him citing no philosophers or religions or whatever. He's
just it's been influenced by them all and like, okay,
I'm going to write my own story.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah. And they're parables, and more than one of them
that we've read literally had me weeping in tears. Oh yeah,
just at the beauty and the fact it has on
you and what it speaks to you in your heart.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah. So tell him about the the meditation I did
for that's in that book and then go get it
and I'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Okay, So he already mentioned it at the beginning. But
the Ways of the Lonely Ones, there's a short story
in there and it's called The Face of Christ, and
it's a beautiful story about a man who wants to
seek out the face of Christ. And it touched truth
Sikas so deeply that it moved him to tears. And

(47:30):
one day he was trying to he was praying and
trying to figure out how to be productive with his day,
and he felt led to make an interactive meditation out
of it, so he recorded it the audio, the sound effects,
the music, and it's this beautiful virtual experience that he
created for the story. You really feel fully immersed in it,

(47:54):
and I know that it will touch your heart. So
it's available. It's available on seer dot school with our community.
It's available there for people who are subscribers to the community,
and then it's also available on Patreon, So it's patreon

(48:15):
dot com backslash truth Sika is that right, correct? And
you can go there and you can either become a
member a supporter of a certain level and get it,
or you can just get it as a one off,
but it's it's worth it. It's really beautiful. Well done, dear,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
But this is this is one of his books called
The Space Born, and this is it's a really same book,
but it's a little book of his original poetry and
and writings. A little short or blurbs. I don't know
why this was. It's really really short, but uh you

(48:55):
read read this. The Lord Maitreya speaks, and the Matraya
is is the Christ.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
The Lord Matreya speaks for all life's hours of dark.
I am the dawn to all the shadowed nights. I
am the morn of all the paths that wind. I
am the end through all life's hopeless fight. I am
the friend who answers every prayer. I am the one

(49:24):
of all the heavenly lights. I am the Sun of
all these circling things. I am the cause of all
this wondrous plan. I am the laws for all who
seek to know. I am the way to those by
darkness bound. I am the Day for all who struggle on.

(49:48):
I am the goal of all this seething all. I
am the soul.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
I am I am the Lord, my Traya. I don't
know that was just one.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
What is the etymology of my traya? I don't know
if I think.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I think it's Arabic essentially for Christ. I think don't
quote me on that, but you probably can quote me
on that it's just Arabic for Christ. I think with
Google that might help you. Let us know somebody knows
in the comments right right right? Probably they do, they do,

(50:32):
they do? Ooh uh yeah, So we will open up
for our community. You guys want to add to the conversation.
Ask any questions. Man, raise your hand and we will
bring you in. I'd love to hear what you guys
have to say, Any thoughts, any pushbacks, any questions about

(50:55):
anything that we said, or or anything you want to
share add to the discussion. Man, the floor is opened.
Just uh read up, push the button to raise your
hand there and come on in. Got Kelly with us, John, Gabe,

(51:42):
what's up Gabe? Let's see Gabe, us with us, Aziza
Andrea up.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Guys, they're all cameras shy today. Come on.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Well, they won't be on camera. I don't have the
camera set up, I don't think, but it'll be on camera,
but the audio will pick up. What's up?

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Truth?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Brother? How are you betting you oh, doing well? Doing well?
You you're a fan of the manly p Hall. Maybe
that's a bad bad voice of words.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Well be intrigued or interested in him now?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
So yeah for sure. So you hadn't looked much into
him before this for today, well just like heard about him,
but not really. Yeah, like I've I haven't like looked
into cool cool. Yeah, he's a He was a huge
influence on me and it still is. He was one

(52:52):
of the first ones that I found, Like everybody kind
of finds their like their dude. You know what girl, noah,
not too many girls. Yeah that's good, but you find
your person of interest and uh and you just consume
their kind, you just consume their work. Like for me,

(53:13):
it was mainly p Hall. There was other people that
I that that spoke to me, you know, early on.
But for some people it's Car Young, it's Alan Watts.
A lot of people love Alan Watts, like I like
Alan Watts. But it was mainly P Hall that did
it for me, Like it was his pursued his his writing,
the subjects that he covered and and and that type

(53:36):
of thing. But but he's definitely worth you know, consuming
some of his lectures and stuff like that, or reading
some of his books, which there's countless, countless, uh volumes
of There's guys were prolific writers. John Brother John what's up?

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Man oh good? Let me ask you a question. In
your readings of Manly P. Hall, did he ever mention
anything about the Illuminati or any of those types of
groups or who might be in control of the world.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, he talked about good and bad forces that were
fighting over control. He talked about he has a book
called The Secret Destiny of America that which we listened
to the audiobook recently, and he talked a lot about
the Founding Fathers and their pursuit of the great work

(54:45):
and what they were trying to do with the foundation
of America and it to be this be something different
than the way we see it, you know what I'm
saying today. It's something that was more of like a
more And I will say there was a lot I

(55:05):
disagreed with in the book, like it's okay to disagree
with stuff, but he uh, you know, he he's definitely
spoke about He spoke highly of the Founding Fathers and
of America. And I know many of us have a
lot of gripes and stuff you know about it and
things like that. But uh, but but the intention and

(55:27):
he went back into showing you the intention that these
guys had when they when they created the United States
of America and so and you could probably like lean
into that as far as a brotherhood of illuminated people
who were for the good, he would claim. But but

(55:50):
he also talked talked about you know, nefarious people who
would try to get into these seats of power and
this fight for for control. But there were different factions
and uh, and he would go back to Egypt and
kind of show that kind of stuff, but the most

(56:12):
high God kind of thing where they're fighting for control
even in Egypt, where they were able to see God
in everything, versus seeing God in this in these certain
forms symbols versus the amen right being able to see

(56:33):
or a tune being able to see Him in everything,
in the sun, in the moon and in the beetle,
you know, in seeing them in everything, and how it
evolved into that and kind of taking that and how
there was a there were factions that didn't like that.

(56:53):
They didn't they didn't want you to see God in everything.
They wanted you to see God in their Idolatry, if
you will, and he tied that into the Foundation of America.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
He mentions it in this book too, But I have
to admit I was kind of skimming because I was
trying to skim over the last few chapters and get
to the end, so I didn't really read it. But
if I can find it, I'll share it with you. Yeah.
I'm not sure exactly where it was, but I know
I saw the word illuminati because it piqued my interest.

(57:27):
I was like, oh, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don't know when that word
became popular to the illuminati, because as far as it
in the context of like something nefarious, because the word itself,
even biblically, was used to describe somebody newly initiated into Christianity,

(57:55):
somebody who was like a newly baptized Christian, whose eyes
were illuminated, who were enlightened by Christ, who carry the
light of Christ. They referred to them as the illuminati,
those who are who are who were once blind, who
are now illuminated with the light of Christ, and who
see things differently. And so knowing that, you know, I

(58:19):
go back to these different verses or whatever in the
scriptures where I was just reading one just the other day.
I think it was Hebrews chapter ten, and it's talking
about like before you your eyes were open and you
were illuminated with the light, and then after your eyes
were illuminated and enlightened, they that enlightenment and all that

(58:40):
kind of stuff that we've kind of given away and
said was demonic. It's used all throughout the scriptures as
one who is been baptized with fire. You know you
are now illuminated.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Thank you, m yo, thank you so much as that.
Uh Joe yo again, man, thank you so much for
the donations. Brother, thank you for the super chats. If
I m I can get this thing to work, I
would do my applause. Reason it's not working. Yeah, but

(59:24):
I'm gonna. I'm gonna let's give it up for Joe. Everybody. Hey, Hey, Joe, Joe,
Joe buying goody some food. Yeah, a little dog, goosey.
I know y'all can't see him, his little heads down.
He why is he always sleeping? We got another camera.
We're gonna just give him his own camera.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, but he'll just be still in sleeping. I mean,
you could just put probably a still shot of him
and it wouldn't be much different.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
The uh gave has his hand up again. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
So when you say Christ found the truth, what truth
did he find?

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Hold on one second, let me let me turn turn
you up a little bit. M m hm did you
did you? Could you hear him? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
He said so when Christ found the truth? What was
the truth that he found? What truth did he find?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Found himself? M hm? He found himself? He found what
it was to be human, human experience, to be the
soul in search of a spirit. And that's the Deminic

(01:00:44):
people will teach on to the it's the ascent of
the soul. And so Christ was walking the path and
he was the perfect one to carry the Christ, Jesus
the man. But he makes the difference, the distinction between

(01:01:07):
Jesus the man and Jesus to Christ. Let's say that,
and the Bible makes a distinction between the two. And
this is something you won't hear. It's God. It's very
hard to break the two apart, to separate Christ from
Jesus and see Jesus as a man who be who

(01:01:27):
became Christ? When did he become Christ? When the spirit
descended and filled him? And now Jesus became the Christ
when he was christened, when he received the baptism of
the Holy Spirit. And listen, that's and that's something that
happens for each each person. Jesus. What what Jesus became

(01:01:52):
is the model for all who would follow after his footsteps. Mhm.
He is the first born among many. There would be
many to come after him who would have to do
the same thing. And we are doing the same thing.
And it was never just one a one time thing.

(01:02:13):
It was never a one time thing ever. And I
think that's what the majority of christiandom could could never understand.
It's not to be understood though. It uses these words

(01:02:34):
and this trickery of the language to push out the profane.
So only those who really understand, not because they've read
it in the Bible or read it in the book,
but they've experienced it. When you've experienced heaven coming to
earth and dwelling in your mortal body, and you be

(01:03:00):
come a vessel, a conduit for hope, for love and
of light, that it's something outside of you, something greater
than you, that is assisting you. That's what happened to Jesus.
Man and and and it didn't stop with him, and
it didn't start with him either. This is the thing
we you know, it didn't stop, It didn't start, and

(01:03:24):
it didn't stop with him. His disciples went through all
the same things. They were all illuminated, they were all
tested vigorously, they were all martyred, they were all killed
for what they believe and what they they were all
what they brought to the earth like h and it

(01:03:46):
was love. It was love, it was beauty, and it
still is that message. Their words still bring true thousands
of years later.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, I think the truth that he found was that
he was the truth. You know, he really embodied and
knew and remembered his connection to the Creator and why
he was sent here and how to show us the way,

(01:04:22):
which was him. He was the way. So for us
to try to follow in his footsteps and be as
much like Christ as we can and remember where we
came from and our purpose here. I hope I get
to the point where I can perform miracles like he
did in the Bible. But I'm just going to start

(01:04:45):
where I can, and that's just to try to love
people like he did, and accept people like he did,
and love God with your whole heart, and just remember
that connection, that it's never severed, that God is always
with you, within you. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you,
never separate. It's never something you have to reach for

(01:05:06):
or strive for. That once you die to yourself and
you're resurrected into new life, into an enlightenment, into an awakening,
it's always with you. And I think He knew that
and showed us that, and that that way, that we
can live in that way too. That just what you

(01:05:26):
see on the material plane is not the truth. It's
much deeper than that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yep. If that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Makes sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yep. He understood, and he was a perfect kinduit. And
when you understand and are a perfect kinduit, then you
received at baptism as well, the baptism with fire. It's
the fires for purification and sanctification. Then we must pass

(01:06:13):
through the fire we tried and tested and tempted as
a crucible, crucible call it Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
There was a really cool passage in here about uh
the miracle, the three miracles that Christ performed of resurrecting
the dead, and the symbolism of each one. I thought
it was pretty cool. If I can find it, I
know I can find I believe in myself and I'll

(01:06:46):
read it because it was really really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah, I think it's I think that just to piggyback
off what you said, Jesus ties it all up. Was
like his last prayer John seventeen for his disciples to
remember who they are, remember how much that they're loved.
I think you get a key on what he found out.

(01:07:15):
It was like his last prayers, like praying to the Father,
please let them know that that you love them just
as much as you love me. Please let them know
that the love that we had before the foundation of
this world, that they were with you, and that you
love them. Of them remember, because when they incarnated here

(01:07:38):
they forgot. They forgot. Jesus remembered, and he goes through
as he's remembering, he starts remembering more and more and more.
He starts he can look at somebody and know exactly
who they are, and he can put them put the

(01:07:59):
pieces back together. That's what the word to remember something means.
It's something that's been fractured and broken. You take the
members that are left and you able to put them
back together. Is to remember them. Remember the parts of
the body of Christ that have been disfigured, put them

(01:08:21):
back together. This is and that wasn't It's not original, right,
there's no shade to that. It's the closest thing we have.
It's a It's an echo of the greatest story ever told,
the greatest English literature. He said, English, right, you don't
know how to read these these If you know how
to read these other language, then then you can have

(01:08:42):
a different conversation with Manley P. Hall And he probably said, oh,
the greatest Greek book ever written. Okay, the greatest Hebrew
book ever written, the greatest Egyptian. But the truth is,
once your eyes are illuminated, you start you seeing that
there's a cycle in these stories. It's one story that

(01:09:07):
just keeps happening over and over, and it's the human experience.
Find it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
I did, so I'm going to read two different parts.
According to the Gospels, Jesus performed the miracle of raising
the dead on three occasions. He awakened the daughter of
the priests of the Sanhedrin, he raised up the Man
of Nain, and he resurrected Lazarus from the tomb. There

(01:09:34):
is a certain progression in the power of these miracles.
The daughter of the elder had just died, the young
man of Nane was raised as his body was being
taken to the grave, and Lazarus was resurrected after four
days dead in the tomb. Certain modern secret societies, which
have descended from the ancient Egyptian mysteries, preserved to this
day a symbolic ritual of death and resurrection. In the

(01:09:59):
ancient mysteries, read resurrection signified not the raising of the
physical body from physical death, but rather the elevation of
the soul, or the spiritual part from the tomb of
material nature. This resurrection was achieved through the imparting of
certain sacred knowledge concerning the origin of the universe and
man in the place of the human soul in the
sphere of creation. In each of these three cases, the

(01:10:24):
power of truth makes the body whole. One who sleeps,
he who is dead, and he who is buried are
all brought back to life life, here representing a condition
of spiritual awareness. We're not concerned with the literal resurrection
of the flesh, but with the mystery, the mystery of
the internal resurrection. Through initiation into the mystery. In these mysteries,

(01:10:46):
Jesus stands as the Hirafhant and into his mouth or
placed the words of the High Priest. He has made
a personification of the truth which he represents. I just
it was neat to me to see it because I
kind of saw the three different states of being as

(01:11:07):
almost you know how whenever we first or I first
came to Christ, I was born again, and then I
had this experience where I had a really intense Christ's
experience where I would probably call that an awakening. So
it's like born again. I kind of saw, as you know,

(01:11:30):
like you were barely dead and you were born again,
and then this time you were on your way to
the grave and you were born again. And then the
next one. It was almost like I could see three
progressions in the spiritual ascension.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Process ego deaths.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Yeah, basically because the second one was intense in different
ways than the first one that you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Had, and the first one could ever be because you
were too young.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Yeah, So it was neat to hear it. Put it
like this in a symbolic way where I could kind
of put my own experiences and plugging my own experiences
and see how it paralleled in my life so far.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
That's what you're supposed to do. That's when it's work. Yeah,
But to hear somebody break it down, because you're not
gonna I mean, I don't know, you're probably not going
to hear pastors speak on that. There would be there'd
be you know, cutting the congregate unless well unless they've

(01:12:33):
experienced that, they can't speak on it. And we've been
taught in christen them that like the born again experience,
you've experienced everything the disciples did, and then everything else
that Jesus said would come is gonna come later, yeah,
versus like no, these are that that later is like

(01:12:54):
that was two thousand years ago. The later is here yea,
what was coming is now here? So what the th
people that were coming they went through And Jesus told
them straight up, even with the prophecies and stuff like that,
you guys standing here like some of you what are
here will not taste death until all of these things

(01:13:15):
be fulfilled? Now what like how long? How long was that?
But all these things be fulfilled and they were never
fulfilled in Christ? And now Christ is in you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
And the cycle continues, didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Stop yet, it ain't changed yet all comes out in
the wash. Yeah, did anybody else have any questions or
any comments they want to share for before we jump
off of the stream, the n F. The F has
his hand raised. What's that brother? To have you? Good?

(01:13:59):
To have you? Hey? Pretty good? Do you hear me? Okay? Awesome? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
So I was just writing down a few things when
you're we're talking, and I don't know much about Manly P. Hull,
but I don't know. I just wrote down some of
my thoughts h And I wrote down a couple of quote,
a couple of quotes, so one of them is, uh,
wherever you go, there you are. And uh, the quote

(01:14:27):
that you said earlier is nothing new under the sun.
And so I feel like there is like, uh, there
can be like sort of like a division for and
old communities, you know. I hear that. I see that
in like a lot of Christianity and uh, but I
even see it, really man, I really see it also

(01:14:50):
in like a lot of spiritual communities too. There's just
like we're just not there's just not a lot of agreement.
But yeah, the upside, I don't want to get to
that side. So it's like, uh, you know, if for example,
if you're talking about your spirituality, we can have a

(01:15:10):
common ground of meditation. But if we talk about Christianity too,
we could have a common ground of talking about Jesus.
And so I feel like, and this is not towards anybody,
This is just a thought I had while I was
listening to y'all, and it just I just wanted to

(01:15:32):
write down. So I think about like maybe like when
I think about commonalities, I think about growing that area,
Like does that make sense? Like growing the area of like, uh,
you know when we talk about Jesus. I feel like
when we when we actually do talk about that, it
brings uh, poor people together and uh, and actually we

(01:15:55):
build off those commonalities. And I feel like that's why
actually built to community. And then you could kind of
like deviate like slowly from other stuff where people get
comfortable of what you're talking about for sure, and uh
and once say they get comfortable what what somebody is
talking about, then they're able to sort of build like

(01:16:18):
a sort of trust. But in a way, I want
to say, in a way of like building commonalities like
for but if we could like deviate so much, we're
gonna piss each other off, Like we are going to
see something about each other or we're hear something about
one one another that we really don't like. And I

(01:16:40):
feel like that's a huge part of a human nature.
But if we like build off the commonalities and uh,
you know, there's also like the people that really try
to try to really go after the people who try
to like them down. Like I think about the story

(01:17:01):
of Stephen where he was stone to death or because
he just had like a big light to them and
so like they like covered his they like the crowd
covered their ears and and and they wanted to prescute them.
So yeah, those are my thoughts I wrote down.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Yes, good, yep, yes, yes, Stephen was a it's a big,
big one, sharing truth that somebody didn't want to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
His name also means a crown of Laurel, like a
crown you look it up and go back to the
origins of it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
And he received the crown. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you,
Sharon brother. That's good. And I think that Christ was
really good with that bro. His disciples us maybe not
so much, but he was good at bringing people together
and not turning in any way no matter what they believed,

(01:18:10):
bringing all into himself. That's what he promised he would
do that. If I be lifted up, I'll draw all
men unto myself. Well, I found this the best to
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Really cool quote in second Esdras. I don't know if
that's why I'm saying it right, but it's in the Apocryphy,
and it says, be thou not curious how the ungodly
shall be punished and when, but inquire how the righteous
shall be saved. Who's the world is and for whom
the world is created? So to me, it's just like

(01:18:44):
another versus as. I think on the good things, like
you're talking about the commonalities, the beautiful things that spark
awe and wonder and love and life and creativity, and
I mean those are the kinds of things we're supposed
dwelling on, not the doom and bloom.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I think we all have that in common, the love
and the light. We can find that in some form
or another.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Yeah, I think we can try not to, you know,
address I try not to point out too many things
that we disagree with or I think it's dangerous though,
And it doesn't matter who it is. It's barren false
witness in lying.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Well, and when you decide you want to point something
like that in another person, then it goes back to
you're going to realize you have a plank in your
own eye.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Maybe not, I mean it does, that's how it works.
But maybe just keep all going down. I'm sure that
see a lot of people who do those type of comments,
they leave a paper trail behind them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
I think you two brought that back where it'll show you,
like their latest comments and stuff. Maybe it's on your
page though, like all the comments they have made on
your page, you know, And that's where it hurts a
little bit less. I mean, it wasn't a mean comment,
you know, it was just just couldn't hear inflection in
the voice in the person's voice. You didn't. You don't

(01:20:31):
know it could have been you couldn't hear concerning their voice.
It's their Their voice kind of takes the shape of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
The meanest school teacher, are you going to make sure or.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
The most cynical person. Yeah, the most cynical person. Yeah,
it does. It just does. That's why you know, you
jump on a zoom call and we could talk about it,
but it's a it's a big deal to just don't
they're a false, false witness against people. I think that's

(01:21:05):
what like, you're lying on people. It just is what
it is. It's like cultic Satanists. Obviously you're free to
have your own opinion, but uh so we're so am
I but.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah, but saying somebody is a Satanist is not an opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Yeah, not if you're going to claim Bible and let's
get back in the biblical playing field. No, that's not
good Christian or not. But it's especially for the Christian,
like like, how can you do that and then not
see that this is Maybe they can now, maybe it's
just it's correction. Maybe they'll correct me by and show
me quotes you know in the comment where if you

(01:21:48):
talked about Satan and don't tell me about you know,
don't give me Lucifer quotes because Lucifer is not Satan.
Lucifer doesn't mean Satan. Satan and Lucifer mean two different things.
Will give me those quotes where Manly P. Hall talked
about Lucifer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
There's multiple Satans, so I got a bespecific witch Satan.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Yeah, but even that me saying that, it's like, oh see,
it's like you know, I just know the Christian. Uh see,
I told you that's what he said. He said Lucifer
it wasn't Satan. That's why I mixed. I messed up.
He didn't say Satan. He said Lucifer and Lucifer, and
Satan is the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Satanists don't worship Lucifer, Lucifer or a red man with
horns either.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
So Lucifer is the morning star, which is Venus and
the light bringer, the one who brings light and illumination
to people who illuminates you. Yeah, anyway, ruth anyhow well,

(01:23:08):
thank you guys. If y'alln't have any more questions, we're
going to go ahead, jump off in tonight's stream, tonight's
broadcast and hang out. Thank you all for being here,
being a part of this. All you guys here on
the back end, stay untill the end. Thank y'all, We
see y'all. Reno, Zach n fgf X, John Gabe, Geza, Andrea,

(01:23:31):
thank y'all for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
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or see your dot school and do that basis of
Christ Interactive guided Meditation. It's beautiful, it's amazing. Some of

(01:23:53):
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that's a really good one to start with, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
But that we're gonna say peace and Chillon, ladies and gentlemen,
We love y'all. We will do it again. Peace, everybody,
Thank you,

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