How Psilocybin Mushrooms Help Us Establish Contact With Higher Alien Intelligence | Gabriel Castillo - Angel Encounters

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McKenna talked about it, the mushroomskind of being like a almost like a
walkie talking and I kind of likethat concept of like paid you are connected
to us, we are everywhere.Um, if you think that's CE five,
like if they if it is,they're there as well right where they're
everywhere, Um, how to makethat connection just like telephone or calling card

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to initiate conversation was what's the magicmushroom was psilocybin and you know many other
psychedelics or whatever. It's there,but you have to build a relationship with
it. Sometimes there's like such athe egos in the way we've CE five
because it's as if you're you're youwill never truly believe until they show themselves

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to you, and they're waiting foryou to fully understand that they're here right
now, yeah, and to fullyenergetically connect with that. There's no need
to see them. Yeah. Andthen there's more of a it's it just
all kind of connects in that wayreally quick before we get started. If
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Seeker Podcast. Excited and delighted tobe with you today for another amazing episode.
Today my guest is Gabriel Costello.Gabriel, welcome to the podcast.
Bro. How are you? What'sgoing on? What's going on? Man?
Excited to have you man and talkabout healing. Healing, let's just
say healing in many different modes andtypes and Paladian specifically. What we'll talk

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about plant medicine, mushroom, magic, mushrooms and some people would call it
and which is one way that we'reable to find healing, and there's many
medicines out there. It's really ontime because even this morning someone asked me
in my Discord community what I thoughtabout plant medicine, what I thought about
psilocybe and hope and those kind ofthings. And I've got tons of work

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out there on my opinions on themand working with them and stuff. But
it's kind of cool to hear afresh word on it. Where I'm at
with it, where you're at withit, and people who are able to
do ceremonies legally, right, Sothat's a big thing, absolutely, absolutely,
so look forward to it. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, we'll
talk a little bit about it alland what you do, what you bring

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to the table. But I guessthat's a good place to start, just
to that people who aren't familiar withyour work, you know who you are,
what you do, and we canstart there. Yeah. Yeah,
Well, you know, the journeystarted like many people's journey from trauma,
right, So the darkness led meto start seeking, and the journey took

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me around the world, you know, to learn different modalities and to really
develop the skills to attack this matrixquote unquote in the way I needed to
to keep my sanity right, andthrough that journey, I m group more

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and more rendezvoused with different plant medicinesright specifically the mushroom and whole new world's
kind of opened. You know,I always worked with psychedelics in the beginning
to help myself relieve trauma, butit really stepped into something much much bigger,
deeper than healing. If you will, that we can get in there.

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Yeah, So it's like you gottayou know, there's levels to it.
We'll say that. And so Ithink with any relationship, you know,
you need to find healing because ifnot, then someone can step into
a relationship, which is what wecall an abusive relationship coming from somebody who

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is not healed. There's trauma,that's past regret. You remind me of
an ex lover. All of thesethings we bring into relationships, and I
find and just tying into what you'resaying that maybe the plant medicine relationship,
as if you will, starts offmaybe broken, maybe coming because I need
something, and then vice versa,like what can I bring That's a deeper

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thing that we will dive into aswell. But so you started out in
your relationship with looking for healing,needing to rid oneself of trauma, probably
looking in many different directions and noneof them seeing the last. Those kind
of things. Talk about your firstinitiation, your first hello, if you
will, with with Silla sybun orwhatever the you know the magic mushroom was,

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That's what I'm assuming, absolutely,yeah, So the first journey was
a ten Graham journey on an emptystomach, wow and darkness with penis AND's
wow okay, yes, and theythat was life changing for me. Um.
So I did ayahuasca before. I'msat with it a few times,

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but I didn't. It didn't speakto me. It wasn't it wasn't calling
me. I like the process ofit, right, My ego was infatuated
by the theatrics of how deep itcould go in the mysteries of it,
if that makes sense, right,But the mushroom kind of took a tug
on me, and I just stumbledacross Terrence McKenna and fascinating ideas of just,

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um, you know what the mushroomactually was and that there's something else
to it, and I just approachedeverything like a skeptic, you know,
very whatever, let's just try.I tried everything, man, you know
what I mean. So I wasalways interested into woo woo, but can
never grasp it. Right. Soall the C five, all this meditation
to make contact, all this typeof stuff was just like I started to

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kind of see through it, notsaying it doesn't work, but I wasn't.
That wasn't the path for me.Something else was calling me. And
the mushroom. When I had thatjourney, it broke open. It spoke.
It spoke, literally, it spoke. There was a deep voice there
and it was as if it wasmy higher self or I don't know what

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it was. Right, I wasstill I was learning it as it was
learning me right, and man,it told me everything that I was still
holding onto. Everything that you knowI think about myself, that's not true.
Show the ego. I told meI was gonna die. I literally
thought I was going to die.So I had to make peace with the

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fact that while I overdid it,I had way too many mushrooms. I'm
gonna I'm gonna die tonight, andthat's what it is. And so I
was going through all these emotions andjust quit like layers, layers levels,
if you will, right, anda great purge came on, man,
a purge so strong that when itstarted, it didn't stop, and it
was going for a good three hours. I was getting out everything that ever

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held me back, my own thoughts, my mental loops that kept myself caged.
Man, all of this was comingout, Dude, it was coming
out. It was coming out.It was coming out. And through that
transition, I realized whole wow,Like I had this clear feeling of just

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consciousness, and it became so clearthat this idea of me dying was was
not going to happen, and itwas never going to happen, and that
what I was feeling was the momentof just consciousness and creation itself in the
moment, and that that's why Irealized I am that, you know,

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always had rendezvous before that, butit is a deep, deep knowing,
like oh shit, I just died. I did die, and I'm here
and it's all illusion, you know. So then that that became a fun,
fun journey. But that was thefirst, the first contact with it,
and after that I listened. Ittold me to stop drinking. It
told me to stop eating meat rightfor my own purpose, not not because

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I have anything against it, butit was just my my karmic path,
if you will, right, um, And I listened. I just listened,
dude, right. I didn't getmy ego in the way. I
needed something. I was ready tolisten to anything, and it's book.
I listened, and low behold,it went further and further as I approached

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it, more and more. Wow, that's so profound, so beautiful.
It brings back memories, you know, uh, you know, my my
first hello. If you will,Um, Before we go any deeper,
I just want to, you know, unpack everything that that you're mentioning,
and you know, the convers stationsand everything that we're going to build upon
today. But for those listening,I just want to get this clear because

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you do retreats as well, whereyou help people assist in saying hello and
working through that trauma or just wantingto tap in and say hello, my
name is whatever, you know,So you host retreats and stuff. So
people listening, like just let themknow, like this is attainable. If
people want to go on a journeyand stuff, you host these, right,

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absolutely, I host these. Andit's not for everyone, right,
It's for those who are ready andthey're in a space to be ready for
it because we guarantee breakthrough and whatwe mean by guarantee of breakthroughs we guarantee
contact with the voice. And onceyou have that contact, we can help
you nurture that relationship with it.So now it becomes a thing that is

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outside of you that you're making contactwith too. Then it starts to become
you, and then there's nothing todo to connect with it. It is
you, I am right, andthat that's the that's the work that we
do. Yeah, and that that'sthat's it. Man um you So this

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was the initiation um with the penisenvy mushroom? Right? Is that my
self initiation? Okay? Now isthis the Is this the so you were
by yourself? Yes? Okay,that's gonna ask you set and setting by
yourself right in first times that don'tknow what they expect, and then the
fear comes in which it just allowsyou to overcome. It's like, hey,

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these were actually the wrong kind.I mean that's one of the first
things, like was it maybe I'mgonna die? Okay? What if you
know? Do I call nine oneone? What do you do? And
many people do call nine one oneand they end up, you know,
having that encounter at the hospital andpump in their stomachs and and they're in
they're a okay, but they justpanicked or whatever. And it's just the

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moment you surrender to pan and say, okay, listen, you know I
should have died years ago and I'mstill here now. Now you you've just
stepped into the veil of gratitude.We're like, okay, we're waiting for
you to to say hello in gratitude, not in fear. And and it
sees these layers, so penis vagain, you said hello now continuing to

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work because you're penis envy experience andthis is a strand of of of of
mushrooms. Sounds a lot like myGolden teacher's experience. Do you continue to
use penis envy at the retreats oris it more psilocybin Golden teachers kind of
thing? And what is the differencebetween the message, because it definitely sounds

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very similar, if not the sameas absolutely absolutely, they're all mushrooms have
the voice, right, they allhave different ways of coming across to the
individual. Um. I find Goldenteachers are very pleasant, they're very therapeutic,
they're very gentle. If you will. They can go very deep,
but they're not yeah huh. Yes. Others are a little like tough love.

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They don't care about your feelings.It's just more truth. Right.
So it really depends on the individualI'm working with, right, or what
their intention is, who they are, how does their mind work, right,
All of that is very important toknow prior to really give them a
solid experience, right. Yeah,every species does something different. Awesome,

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man. I like the fact thatyou said that you know it's not for
everybody, you know, And there'sone thing of when you hear these stories
and you watch you know, otherpeople's journeys and see the healing and all
of these kinds of things, orhear the conversation, and it builds intrigue
and you you know, I tellpeople like, I don't recommend anyone doing

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it, but I'm going to share, you know, my experience, and
if it calls you, I justsimply say you have to do it,
because it's not gonna not going toquit calling you until you do it.
It's gonna you're gonna be intrigued.You're gonna be watching podcasts like this,
You're gonna be watching Joe Rogan interviews. You're gonna scour the internet and find
amber Lyon's story and reset dot mme and find all of the beautiful things

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that people are overcoming, the fearof death, overcoming opiate addiction, and
all types of ways that they're findinghealing. And that's just kind of what
Uh it seems like these these plantmedicines, these intelligences scream and bleed healing.
Uh, not just them, butreally all of nature is here to
assist with the awakening and the healingof the nations. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Yeah, I'm glad you brought awarenessto that. Yeah. So it's it's
one of those things where if itcalls you, you got to do it.
So I'm not I don't recommend anyand that's uh, this is my
experience and that's all all you canshare, you know, because that's your
your truth. And uh but butbut it is like you said, it's
repeat eatable. It's repeatable. Youknow you can. I'm gonna say this

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because you you brought it up.Terence McKenna. So I'm a big CE
five guy, right, Uh youknow, and so um McKenna said,
you know, he's on he's onrecord. Years ago, Terrence mckinne.
Uh. He said. One thingthat US and the psychedelic community have that
those in the UFO community that don'thave is repeatability. We can take five

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grams of psilocybin Cubans's mushrooms and suddenlywe're in the presence of these aliens and
these divine beings that you all areseeking, the contact and the stars um
and us magical. I channeled himjust now. But uh, you know
it's it's that was a deep,beautiful conversation. But for someone me like

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being into the CE five, I'mlike, man, I wonder where what
McKenna would say today when you knowCE five is definitely evolved and uh and
I think the two are married together, you know, to a agree.
But what would you say to thatquote into his whole stance? And you
know what, Yeah, if theymade you know, absolutely absolutely, I

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would speak from my own experience,and my own experience B plus is seven
seven grams by myself. Yeah,I made contact. I they lit me
in the doorway because I listened,and because I listened, voices were speaking,
and it said, look, ifyou give it, if you follow
us, if you follow me themushroom literally speaking, if you follow me,

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I will show you everything. Iwill take you to everything that your
ego seeks right, and you willdo power. You will do great things
because you will be me. Andso it was like a big egoic voice.
But I was like, I gavemyself to it. I literally gave

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everything to it, and it openedup. And then that's where the contact
was made. Where were my questionswere being answered instantly. And it was
this thing that was looking back atme, like studying me as I was
trying to figure out what it was, and it had this it looked very
bug like and it had this kindof anamorphic smoke type of stuff in front,

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so I could never grasp what itwas. But it was answering my
questions through vision and the mushroom willgo as deep as you're willing to ask.
And so I was asking questions thatreally rocked me and I needed to
know them, but they rocked meto my core where I needed to integrate

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it for a good a good coupleof months, yeah, because I was
like, WHOA. We had ament retreat on really our first hero dose
and it was five grams of psilocybin. But before that I had done two
of the Hawaiians, two grams ofthe Hawaiians, and just kind of had
a gentle hey, how's it going. Really introspective the thing, closed eye

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visuals, those kind of things,and then I went out and did a
bunch of interviews and almost speaking likean expert, like I did it,
guys, it's very profound, reallybeautiful, and it was. It was
profound, It was beautiful. Butyou know, I say that I get
speaking as an expert after doing itone time kind of thing. But you
know, that was my experience.But it wasn't until the hero dose several

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months later that it was like,you know, it was the real deal.
And you know, speaking about manyof these mysteries openly, even in
my music, Biblical scriptures and theesoterics, and even as you're talking,
just being able to tie this backbecause most of this even sounds like angelic
encounters within the Bible, about eventhe fear of death being in the presence

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of a divine being, like oh, I'm gonna die. I can't be
in your presence or I'll die,you know, my shame and my all
of this stuff that they they're notlike, yeah, bow down, They're
like no, I'm gonna help youget through this, lift up your head.
You got this man and it andthey kind of defied shape. You
know. They don't want you tosay, you know, this is what
they look like or this is whatthey are, because then you start,

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you know, we were we createimages and we we we learned, you
know, we start worshiping these kindsof things and they're just here to assist
man. But um, yeah,didn't here to show us that we are
them. Yeah, it's there's somany connections and um, the five Grand
thing for me was was really intenseand it was life changing. Um.

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And we had a group of guysand everybody had something profound happened, you
know, not like me, tobe honest with you, it was really
I mean, everybody had something right. But for me, it was like
it was opposite. I set itup. It was. It was deeper
for me for sure, because thenext week some guys are like, hey,

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that was awesome, We're gonna godo it again and so, but
it wasn't at the set and settingwas different. We rented a cabin.
These are a bunch of guys withintention. We're fasting, getting the meat
out of our diets and what doyou want? What are you trying to
get? What do you here togive? Thing? And then one and
we have beautiful encounters. Then nextweek another guy went and did it at

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a party atmosphere and they're just likelistening into whatever music was on the radio,
mixing drugs, drinking, smoking weed, all types of stuff with it,
the doors wide open, the blaringmetal music, and the dudes like,
I mean, it shifts from likehow dare you, you know,
have this magical, majestic experience andthen go and kind of you know,

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take with us holy and throw itto the dogs, if you will,
to the profane. And he hada bad experience for like hours, crying
in the toilet, screaming and tonguesfor hours. But it's like this is
nothing to play with this, Thisisn't for fun. It is very fun,
for sure, but it is veryserious, and you're playing with an
intelligence that knows you better than youknow your great because you're dealing with an

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intelligence that's not from this this earth. It's the spores are from space.
And once you, once you fullyunderstand that, you see the whole picture
of everything. You can see wherethe Bible gets all its stories from it's
the story of the man behind you, is the story of us and our
connection to these these things that areall around and once we awake into that

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um, life becomes very fun becauseit just becomes very intentional, intentional creation
that is more of a purpose drivenexistence. Right, Yeah, I have
nothing to do with any of this. This is all something else. And
it's the same with you, right, You're you're you're listening and you're just

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tuned in and you're a conduit,and it's really something else to to really
sit back and see it all workand see it all play out right,
no good or no bad, it'sjust we're here doing this to this work.
Yeah, So let's let's talk alittle bit more about the CE five
connection, right because I don't knowif because it's so so many things run

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together, but the CE five connectionand being able to see that way and
being a skeptic that I'm a skeptic, like you got to show me.
I'm just not going to take youradvice. You're gonna have to show me
these things on camera, you knowwhatever. But but what is the what
is your experience with CE five andin the magic mushrooms and connection if they're
utely. Absolutely, what I findis that CE five never worked for me.

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I understand the protocol, I getit, but um to me,
I've never I've hope man, Iwalk the path of meditation and everything.
For me, the plant medicines cutout the middleman. And when you see
that the middleman is has been yogaand has been meditation, has been all
these all these concepts that enlighten peoplewho took these medicines created. You cut

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out the man and you just youbecome them. You become the creator of
these You start to see through allof it and you see that we are
all connected. And the idea thatwe need to connect with something out there
is the reason why it's not connecting. It is us. And when we
connect in it's it's it's just there, and these tools are there to help

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us kind of break the fabric alittle bit. And they're here on the
earth. It's not like you're you'recheating it is it's that's what it's here
for that have called it that peoplehave called it cheating. H absolutely absolutely,
you think that I don't understand orit's trying to oversimplify it now,

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I think they're just not listening,and they just don't see the whole workings
of it right my eye. Withthe education I know, I know,
Jesus, the dude behind it isan initiate of the mysteries understood the mystery
schools Man and all these guys do. That's why they understand the power,
and that's why they're pulling the strings. And it's all intention. We can
tap into that same knowledge, andthat's what this provides. If you go

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straight to the source and you cansummon it, it can become you,
and you can work with an energyof protection around you of you become the
mushroom. And nothing is going tostop the evolution of the mushroom. That's
why it's seeping everywhere. The mushroomis the great cleanser and it's the great
destroyer at the same time. It'shere. It's going to destroy dogma,
it's going to it's creating new andit's spreading my celiums all under our feet.

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Everyone's starting to get it through themasses, through all levels, clinical
boxes of psychiatrists, all the waydown to the underground to new products that
it's all coming and people can seeit as a fad, but the mushroom.
The mushroom knows that once it comes, it's here to stay, because
it's not looking to help and savethe world. It's looking to find the

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ones who it's seks to. Becausethe ones it speaks to and the ones
who can listen and who have deconditionedthemselves, those who can listen to the
message, those are the modern dayshamans. Those are the ones that are
here to teach people how to builda relationship with it, so they become
their shamans. Right. There isno middlemen. This is modern day shamanism.

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This is a connection straight to thesource, and it allows us to
get out of our own way.We can we can put time into processes
and protocols and do all these things, but that's just the ego in its
own way. Obliterate yourself, getout of the way, your idea of
how things work, and just justjust follow follow what the earth provides.

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You know, it's it's here,it's so it's so basic, but it's
so conditioned for us not to dothat. Yeah, we're just we've been
talked out of our right if youwill, you know, we've been convinced
and put in boxes and or heardsomeone say maybe it was TikTok or something,
but like how um, you knoweat this generation, most of they

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don't spend time outside. Like theonly time outside to get is going to
the car, to the house orto school. You know, it's that
in between the walking versus like beingoutside all day or just sitting with nature.
And you know, the the childlikeaspect comes to you when, especially
when you're by yourself, when youknow, when other people are around you

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and being silly like I like,you do things and you talk, and
you to the animals or to thebirds, or to God or whatever,
um as you would talk to afriend. And that's very interesting. It
talks about Adam in the in thegarden literally is outside in this whatever the
garden was, that he talked toGod as one would talk to a friend.

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But you know, when ego kicksin and other people are around,
and now you gotta have clothes onor you gotta whatever it is to to
you know, be in some discconstruct that we've we're in too, you
know, we're living in two worldsor maybe multiple more than that at once.
But returning the nature is definitely key. It's always been key, but

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definitely right now, and it's it'svery potent right now too. And that's
the that's the beautiful, that's what'sreally fun about it because there's so many
ideas of it, right because natureis us. We are nature. So
if we really understood that, wecould just really view with ourselves and be
tuned in and not have to goanywhere. But there are aspects of nature
that we can bring into our hereand now and adapt to our current lifestyle

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instead of doing radical change. Issomething like implementing the mushroom, bringing nature
into our daily lives, like microdoucingand approaching it with the right intention.
For sure, natural things that willincrease awareness, right and then and then
people will build off that. Butthe main thing is a lack of awareness.
Once people feel the awareness and theysee the contrast and they can understand,

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they get a little more sensitive toit that they start making a little
different decisions, right, They startcaring about, you know, not stepping
on that bug. You know,They start to see themselves in other things
and it becomes a mirror. Right, So judgment for me to you doesn't
exist because I see you and meright, and anything I see you in
use because it's it's in me,so you start to get empathy. McKenna

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talked about it the mushrooms kind ofbeing like a I guess one of the
hypothesis he come up with that almostlike a walkie talkie, and I kind
of like that concept of like,hey, you are connected to us,
we are everywhere. Um. Ifyou think that's CE five, like if
they if it is, they're thereas well right where they're everywhere, um,
But how to make that connection,just like telephone or calling card to

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initiate conversation? Was was the magicmushroom was psilocybin and you know many other
psychedelics or whatever, and it's it'sit's there, but you have to build
a relationship with it. You cannotjust take five dry grams and then they're
going to be there all the time. It's not like that. It's it's

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they show up when they're ready toIt's not when you want them too.
It's not about you summoning them.That's not how this works. They show
up when you're ready for it.I think that's whereas come in times,
because sometimes there's like such a theegos in the way with CE five,
because it's as if you're you're youwill never truly believe until they show themselves

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to you, and they're waiting foryou to fully understand that they're here right
now. Yeah, and when youfully energetically connect with that, there's no
need to see them. Yeah,and then there's more of a it's it
just all kind of connects in thatway because maybe they're not showing themselves because
they can't do It's dangerous right now, for sure. I've always when you

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talk about being taught, like beingtaught and like what they tell you,
and it's totally Look what happens whenanything right now in the news, when
something pops into our atmosphere and triesto show itself or or you know,
hYP even hypothetically speaking because we don'tknow, but this is what's happening.
I've seen it, you know whatI'm saying, Like they're gonna they're they

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don't want you to know that magicis real. They don't want you to
know that you are more than yourbody, that you are eternal, and
that you have power in your wordsand then your thoughts and in your heart
and then your blood. You arepowerful, magnificent being, and they don't
want you to know that you know, so um when it comes into summoning,

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you know, determinology, it's scaryfor people because it's like, okay,
you summon an angel, like I'mtapping into a lot of the original
wording in the Bible would use thestuff like that, and and it's easy
to compartmentalize. You guys, summonedan angel. No no, no,
I called him like just as youwould call a friend because you know its

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name, and you, guys arein relationship summoning calling, but it's not
until you know you're in a relationship. And that again, we talked about
healing the relationships heal, like I'mnot caught. I'm not even calling you
because I want something, right,You're talking about CE five until you see
it, you know, a lotof it starts there. It's just straight
up, you know a lot ofit starts with I need to see it.

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I want to know. I wantto know. But once you know,
then what because like how many likewhat are you trying to see?
Right? It is that entertainment orare you really trying to get the message
of what they're trying to send?And are you really in a place to
apply what the hell they send?Or are you just there for entertainment.
A lot of people just want tobe there for entertainment, but they're not.
They don't have the warrior mentality toput it into application, into live

(31:41):
it because they're waiting for everyone elsearound them to do it instead of being
the one of themselves. Let's lookat school though, elementary, like you
got to play on the playground alot, you got to play with blocks,
You just got to be a kid. You know, it wasn't about
hey, come out here, youngwarrior. You're you're in training to they're
training you to eventually get a jobone day and from Coy, yeah,
it'd be a great employee. Youknow, don't question, like repeat everything

(32:05):
we tell you. But you know, I do look at the earth.
I do look at the spirituality asa mystery school, as a school of
initiation, if you will. Andlooking at even Enoch, you know these
biblical figures. His name literally meansinitiated, one who has been initiated into

(32:27):
mysteries, where he moved into greatconversation with angels and aliens and all types
of beings in between. That theysaw him as being the conduit that they
came to him and said, hey, will you carry our message to the
people. And it does move fromseeing or even capturing on film. I've
just been able to start capturing stuffon film and it was just a shift

(32:51):
of ce five from like at nightversus during the day. It's like,
oh, you can't see him duringthe day, so I had no idea
to look for them during the day. But it wasn't until they caught my
attention. It's like, hey,we're always here. Are you waiting for
night? Listen the daytime? Itis your hour, So why we're not
here in your hours? So tobe able to see them in the nuances

(33:13):
when you think they're not there,and I'm just able to capture them on
camera and just see crazy stuff,which is amazing. I didn't have to
see see it to believe it.Now maybe if ever, because you feel
it and you see it within andthen Jesus has blessed are those who believe
and have not seen. And thenso sometimes because you believe, you get

(33:36):
to see you know, believe inyour heart, and then the whatever outside
of you a lot comes into alignmentwith what you believe. That's how this
is working. And that's definitely oneof the messages that the plant teachers are
screaming at us right, absolutely absolutely, but to carry their message. I
talked to a lady that we gota podcast before yours that that should be

(33:58):
out, and she's kept capturing ferrieson camera and like she got some amazing
footage, man angels, alien's gotall kinds of plant beings, treat amazing
footage, and she's at this placeof like, you know, she was
kind of upset that her stuff isn'tcatching on. It's not viral. You
know, there's production aspects, there'sa lot of aspects. But it came

(34:21):
to me just to tell her,listen, don't get you can show people
all the footage you want and they'restill not gonna believe. And the people
who you can show them fake footageand they're gonna believe just because it's in
them and they want to believe.So change it up versus showing you that
they're here that's neither here nor there. But what is their message? Like,

(34:46):
change the channel, change the approachof like what did they tell you?
What are they how have they changedyou? What are they saying?
They need a messenger? All ofthe realms do right, God, I
needed a messenger because humans wouldn't listen. So Christ comes right, and then
other people tap into that same energy. And now God, God and the

(35:08):
gods and the mushrooms and all ofthe angels that scream healing are still screaming
healing, but nobody's listening until theyhave a conduit. So yeah, you
know, caught up less on beingable to see something and what is it
saying? Because the messages are profound, They really are very profound, and

(35:30):
and I think it's time to embodythat and it shifts. It's shifted for
me. I love seeing them.I don't need to see them, you
know what I'm saying, because Isee people see them. When you speak
for them, they they they respondto your lights. What's coming out of
you? Man? And I knowyou've been with them, like you know,

(35:50):
there's a lot of Charlatans in thislet's just beyond special vibe and stuff
like or in every realm religion.Charlatan's everywhere. But when it comes to
like you're sitting with somebody who's liketheir life has been impacted and they carry
like they're with them, it's yousaid that you merge with the mushroom,
like I even not trying it comesout, healing comes out of me.

(36:15):
It's you know, it's just havinga conversation with you turns into a ceremony.
Somebody who would never get to sitdown and experience it, they'll get
a piece of it just in aconversation with you, Like this is embodying
this. It's very scary to thinkabout, because you become a channel,
you become a conduit. But Ithink the scary part is when people don't

(36:37):
understand that you already are a channeland a conduit. For everything you've heard
and everything you've been shown, everythingthey taught you in school, you already
are your faith, your lack thereofreligion, all of it. And there's
a quote from Terrence McKenna like thatcame up to my mind when he said
that, it's that half the timeyou think you're thinking, they're actually listening.

(36:58):
Yeah, So it's um, yeah, we're we're all channels, we're
all open, and it's just becomingaware of that that gets us out of
our own way. Because if youknow that, then you can change the
channel, you can change the radiodial receiver. Then you start to you
get the idea of it, sothen you start to master it. What
does that feel like? How doyou then you start manipulating energy, right,

(37:22):
Yeah, you sing that song andyou learn those songs, and it
really is that simple. I mean, our bodies are in tune with all
of this. That's the thing.It'd be different if if it was just
woo woo and one thing that getcaught up into woo woo. But you
you mentioned the mycelium and the network, and then the neurochemistry, neural plasticity.

(37:42):
You got neurogenesis that these mushrooms arebreaking forth healing literally healing the brain
and reconnecting broken brain cells so muchthat your body is a part of this.
It's not just the imagination, butevery single part of you is connected
with all of the beings of theelemental kingdoms. That's what's that's why I

(38:04):
really enjoy you know, specifically thefungus. You know, we can label
as plant medicine, but the fungusstands on its own right and it's very
closely related to us. But thatexperience of people needing to see it to
believe it, they can experience thatjust with sitting with that medicine, that
that veil can break for them,so then they can understand. Yeah,

(38:29):
it's all it's all here. Howcan it not be right? They become
open and it's it's beautiful because theycan bring that on themselves. It's here,
it's our birthright Like you said,Yeah, I talk about prayer a
lot where like um, what youstart in what we call the secret place,
just kind of by yourself, likeyou said, nobody knows. You

(38:50):
do not get any cool points togo on a journey by yourself or even
go into your room and pray andcommune. It's all it is. It's
not begging, and it's just tappinginto communion. And a lot of times
what starts there what it's birth thereor seed is implanted in the secret the
secretion, right, we know aboutthe sacred secretion and in this place of
darkness. But when you go outinto the day today, like that conversation

(39:15):
continues. It's not like okay,we did, I only get to say
hello on the you know, whenI'm partaking of whatever medicine or prayer life,
it's only in the room. No, no, no, it starts
there, but it continues elsewhere.Then there's an evolution of your consciousness where

(39:35):
you know, hold on, I'min communion with something like it knows my
thoughts and listen, the words arethe words get in the way. They're
not teaching us words, they're teachingus feelings and emotions. And that's how
that's the original word when it saysGod is the word of God became fless.
It's a viperational frequency. It's afeeling. You know it. You

(39:57):
can sense it and it doesn't lieand can tune in tune to be able
to receive that. And then thatthat vibration creates the word, and that's
the word that's going to decipher andcrack through the others because you got to
become that, you got to beclose to that. You've done the work.
That's why you were able to receivethat. Yeah, you start,

(40:20):
you know, we compartmentalize. Ohthat's the mushrooms. Yeah, no,
it's the angels, man like whatever, Like that's just one bro many different
people. Yes, aliens, Likeyou gotta talking about aliens or angels or
all of that, all of it. How about we put it like this,
This is my prayer, this ismy vibration. Anything that is here
to help, anything that has mygreatest intention and interest in mind, I'm

(40:45):
open and you know I'm a student, I'm a friend. Yes, yes,
see you're tapped in. You're notnot putting anything into a boxer saying
it has to be this or thator keep away certain vibrations. You know,
all this idea of darkness and evil, all of that is energy and
there's teachings in all of it ifyou're open enough to accept it and to

(41:07):
have the intent and to be bestrong and you're knowing, Oh man,
it's beautiful, so good. Sotapping into healing, you know, tapping
into um being initiated, and thenyou say, you just keep coming back
to learn? How often? Um? And what are you? What are

(41:29):
you talking about? What is themain goal? I know it's probably easy
to sum it up in healing,but there's many you know, that's maybe
it's more, Maybe there's so muchmore. But what do you what are
you getting in in the relationship?Yeah? Absolutely so in the relationship,
it first had to show me whoI was, right, It showed me
really where I came from, mwhere every down to the starts right really

(41:52):
all the way back, and whyI'm here and who I am really and
what my true family is right um? And that birth division of the creation
that's being created, which is theway to spread the word of what this
is and the teachings of how todevelop a relationship with it so you can

(42:17):
become it as well. And that'swhere finally detached was birth from because it
was the process of detaching from everythingthat was not my own to create enough
space, energetic space, to receiveand be an open channel. And that's
when that's when everything came in.M yeah, man, that's yeah,

(42:39):
that's beautiful. And you know,the conversation continues. You know, it's
right, what's next, It continues. It just keeps going deeper and deeper.
You know, at this point,I don't even have to go to
it as much. Typically it's everythree months, four months. I know
when my ego starts to get inthe way of itself. So then I

(43:00):
know, okay, that's when it'snot for an ass lipping, right,
but I am it right, SoI can take a microdose maybe once a
week, and I'm tuned in.It's all creation. It's all like ideas.
Now, I'm so not in theway that ideas come to the mind,
and I know that's not me,that's coming from something else. So
I gotta listen. I just gottameet it haathway. So I'm doing.

(43:22):
There's so much stuff that's happening beingpositioned, and people that are resonating with
it because they're starting to see whatit is. And man, it's it's
a lot that is unfolding. Butreally it's to position accordingly so the mushroom
can speak. I have friends whoat least a friend who was diagnosed add

(43:46):
and on adderall and things like that. He didn't like the way it made
him feel, all of these saltsand things, and so maybe he saw
some research or something, but heheard about doing the microdosing and try and
at least trying to substitute it withthat, and hearing about people who have
breakthrough and it worked and he'd doneit, and so he says his life

(44:09):
isn't the same, it's so muchbetter. And just in that connection and
then feeling like the mood enhance yourtwo they's just weird, you know,
you feel like everything's okay. Itreassures you because there's certain things triggers set
up in this life and in thisworld that are here to like rob you
of your joy, like your joy. It's it's it's got a price on

(44:31):
it, you know what I'm saying, And people want it because if they
take the joy, if they giveyou fear, then they can other things
come in. They can sell youthings, they can do so much more
to you. But being at peace, and it's one of the things I
feel like, like you're saying,the fear of death and the fear of
this and am I going to die? And am I gonna be? Okay?
Where am I going when I died? Okay, We're gonna answer all

(44:52):
that for you. Hang on onething at a time. But again,
healing, you know, him beingable to to do the microdocing and and
being able to get off of thesepharmaceuticals that that he didn't like the way
and made him feel. And youknow we myum my wife lost her her

(45:15):
boss and really good friend of hersand it's very hard. Still is hard,
for sure. Um. But myfriend had given me some of the
tincture of the Golden Teachers for formicro docing daily and just putting a little
bit in the coffee in the mornings, and I could tell. It was

(45:35):
very little, but I could telljust because I feel like I knew what
I was looking for, just thatlittle you know, that little alignment,
everything's okay. And um, Iwas giving my wife a little bit and
and um, you know, lookingback on it, she she didn't know
what to look for. But itwasn't like it's not like, oh I'm
tripping. No, it's just justeverything's it's not okay, right, it's

(45:57):
current situation, but it is everything'sgonna be okay. Strength to make it
through, be patient, like it'sreally that's its vibrational frequency. And so
it's like a sitter only in life. And she's able to look back and
say, you know, now Ican see where it had it had to
help, Like I don't know whatI would have did without it. Like

(46:20):
just imagine if I went through thatwithout just a little adjustment, you know.
So I they're here, they weresupposed to be doing life with all
of all of those teachers and friends, you know, and um, and
and that's one way. You know, it's the microdos, said a lot

(46:40):
of people. There's many people whohaven't. Even my friend, his only
hello was the microdose. Like itwasn't to dive all the way in,
and when he did, it wasvery scary. Form he eventually did,
but it was different the relationship got, you know, it was just came
intense and didn't know what to lookfor and and those kind of things.

(47:04):
And but that's why, that's whyI always recommend doing the opposite. I
never There are so many people thatcome to me from microdoces, but I
never give them any I saw Igrow all my own stuff. I don't
give them any I only provide microdoces to those who I did the journeys
with. We like to take peoplevery deep that heroic journey, that five

(47:28):
Graham, that's cute, but welike to take people more to that ten
grand mark. We want them tofeel what the hell this is and the
wisdom of it. Because when they'remarked and they have that scar on them,
they continue forward with the microdocing,which is building the relationship to that

(47:50):
wisdom that they made contact with andit grows from being a hopefully this is
going to replace my UM medications toowell, obviously this is gonna replace my
medications. Obviously this is a muchdeeper UM connection and that I'm tuning into

(48:13):
UM. It's it. It helpsalign intention a little deeper, from moving
from like a daily vitamin to I'mconnecting with source. Yeah. UM I
like the way I got to sayhello. It was it was two and
a half. You know, itwas gentle, you know versus yeah and

(48:35):
every but you know, everything happensfor a reason, everything happens that that
way. But but yeah, you'remissing out, and I was definitely missing
out, um pretending to be anexpert. And um, you know I
wrote I wrote about that, andand talk about that quite openly, and
and people, um, you knowsome I had some friends at the time.
I don't know if it was ajealousy thing or whatever, but it

(48:57):
was like they really were mocking meand being being vulnerable saying yeah I was
you know, I was acting likean expert. Man, I'm just doing
you know, interviews and talking aboutit. But you know, when it
comes down to it, like howmany how many times like before you're able
to speak on it, before you'reable to share the impact, Like how

(49:20):
many near death experiences does it takebefore you to say, man, this
is profound. It came to meeven if you never have another near death
experience. Again, I mean people, even these people who were kind of
talking like kind of mockingly, likethey're Christians, and it's like, hold
on, you had this encounter withJesus and you've never been the same,
and you've been talking about it eversince, Like how many times do you

(49:42):
need to get born again? Howmany times you need a near death experience?
How many angelic or magical encounters before? Not as an expert that's out
there, that's I said that,but but just to share and embody the
mess. This is what happened.Man, I met that guy and this
was my experience. You know,Um, you know, it's there's a

(50:07):
there's a lot of that. Sowhen it comes to well, I'll say
addiction, but abuse, you know, um, is that people that that
they show up and they get thatone dose and that one hero journey,
they learn what they need to learnand move on. Because I mean you
even said it was like months ofunpacking. That was my thing. The

(50:29):
guys were like, Yeah, we'regonna do this again next week. Hell
no, dude, when when whencan we do it? Three weeks?
I don't know. My paradigm isexpanded, shattered, rebuilt, cleansed all
at the same time. This isgonna take me months. I just can't
wait to get home to hug myfamily. And you know what I'm saying,

(50:51):
just like you would after a caraccident and near death experience. You
touched the other side and didn't knowif you would come back, all of
these kind of things. And itwas something that I knew, what's gonna
take me months to unpack or yearsto unpack. And I'm still am Let's
say that my wife was a littlenervous because she knows my personality. You

(51:15):
know, many of us do thingsabove and beyond, you know, no
half stepping in. And it wasonly because I tried to reassure her,
and she's like, oh, nowyou can be doing mushrooms every weekend and
blah blah blah, this kind ofstuff. It's like, nah, I
wouldn't like that, you gotta.But my friends, some of them anyway,
they've tried to do that and itquickly punched them into teeth and said,

(51:37):
Na, you're not abusing me.You're abusing alcohol, you're abusing marijuana,
you're abusing opioids, opiates. You'renot abusing me like that. Talk
a little bit about that. Itry to say that that you can't abuse
it, like it won't let you. But people try for sure. You

(51:58):
don't get dependent in those kind ofthings. Yeah, absolutely, people can
try to be see that's why it'sum. That's that's why it's very important
to approach it like an adult andto understand what you're really looking to get
out of it, UM, andto work with someone who's been there before.
UM, especially someone who doesn't wantto put you on a trap.

(52:22):
If they're they're great, few freeUM to show you that you are that
UM. You know, you're you'rethey're gonna let you go on your journey,
but they're going to help you soyou can get out of that way.
I think, man, I reallyyou know, it's UM, I

(52:44):
don't know. There's so much therethat you just said that it's kind of
hard to pinpoint on what I Yeah, yeah, it's uh, there's a
lot there. There's multifaceted um.You know, there's a lot of things
going on. You know, there'sa lot of a lot of moving pieces.
So but but you didn't mention letme just tie it in like this,

(53:07):
because you you did mention that justtaking the five grams doesn't immediately get
you access or whatever just because heyI got mushrooms, time to go in
blah blah blah. No, it'snot time. You didn't do what we
said last time, like you stillgot an unpack, what are you doing
showing you're back? You're back likekind of thing, and that can go

(53:28):
into you know, I would sayit was an abusive relationship. Are you
trying to take advantage of me?Dude? I just gave you money last
week and you need money again?Like why you do you just come to
me and every time you need money, Like it's this abusive relationship, like,
hey, I found a honeyhole.Hey I found I trapped the leprechn
like right, that's why intention isso important, and that's why that's why

(53:50):
we throw people. We don't.We're there so we control the journey.
They have a very pleasant therapeutic journeyand then the next day we go very
very deep, so they know whatthey're getting into. But that once they
experience that, they know that's nothingthey want to abuse. Period. If
you go on lower dosages and youfeel real good and everything's connected, yeah
you're laughing again. Yeah you wantit all the time, and then you

(54:13):
start to understand, allow, everyjourney is not the same matter what you
do, you can't replicate the journey, but it will get you to the
same place. But you can't.You can't control how that it's going to
get you there, you know whatI mean. So there's nothing to abuse
if you approach it the right way. Now, if it's just sold to
you and you're just it's all underground, then yeah, it's going to be
that way, which is okay,that's how it is. But you just

(54:36):
have to understand that there may beways to access this thing that you just
really don't understand, and you can'treally break through without learning right from someone
who has a relationship with it.Right, I see this, like,

(54:58):
do that you really want to workwith this thing and break through? Then
like you want to go find ashaman that that that that is that I
want to work with the person thatis that. I'm not going to figure
it out on my own, Beau. I can That's who I know.
I know everyone else has. Ican do that. But when I'm like,
okay, I can go on aten year journey and figure this out,

(55:19):
or it can be be guided byIt's just it's just common sense.
But it's for those who seek itand who are called to it because many
people don't even believe the idea ofhaving a relationship with it. I don't
even think really anything's there, youknow, or they think they they're there
already, and they don't understand thatthis matrix and this creation and our godliness

(55:40):
in this realm is just the beginning. Now, start asking the questions,
why is this here? Why arewe here? Why is this consciousness?
Where's my consciousness? Really? Oh? Man? You start going deep and
then you start to see, wow, the the larger why they're even here
to begin with, and why they'retrying to talk to us, and the

(56:00):
big inner workings of what is reallyhappening. It goes much deeper, and
that's when you're willing to sacrifice youridea of whatever this realm is and what
it means to you, what yourfeelings care about, family, friends,
all this shit, all those feelingsand connections to this illusion. You transcend
that and you become a warrior forthe message and a connection to the channel

(56:25):
here. Yeah, willing to sacrificeyourself forward. Now that sounds that's the
difference. That's that's the realm.That sounds amazing. It sounds a lot
like Jesus, you know what I'msaying, Like somebody who tapped in.
It's like, hold on, man, these illusions, these things the man,
this ain't real, man, y'allaren't real. Y'all aren't. The
people who are trying to heal usare really hurting us. The people who

(56:47):
claim to be the teachers of thescripture don't even know the scripture, you
know. And so there's this falseparadigm that we ever. They've convinced everybody
somehow of why we're really here.And you're telling me why thing, but
they're telling me another. And becauseof your track record, I kind of
believe the others. Man, youknow what I'm saying, but saying yesterday
calling becoming a warrior of virtue andI'm gonna heal the world or whatever,

(57:14):
you know, And you know itdoes that. You you're like, but
there's a way to do it,because you know, psychosis is real.
And I'm not even saying that psychosisis it's bad. It's just like when
it's not handled right or it's notyou know, you just zero to sixty.
Yeah, you're all of that.But you know how you're going to

(57:36):
pay your bills? You know,Hey, I'm an angel from happen man,
and I'm okay, we'll show mesomething. Then what can you do
what do angels talk about? Whatdo angel You got to ask some kind
of power? Like, there's alot of things that happen to people,
whether it's through it's you know,they say you need to do like a
mental evaluation, either it's with ashaman or personally. Yeah, man,

(57:58):
I can't. I don't know ifthis is for you, big dog.
You know what I'm saying, Like, maybe it's something. Maybe you do
need yoga, maybe you need somethingelse. Because people there's a Messiah complex
that can happen to people. Andeverything that you said, I bear witness
with a thousand percent, and Ican tell by your life and being able
to be a true shaman, whichis one who's able to live in multiple

(58:19):
realms at once or go back andforth, get the information, bring it
and then actualize it or share itwith somebody who is able to actualize it.
Because let's just be honest. Mostpeople who are really tapped in,
that's all that's all they speak isthat, and they can't come and you
know, do it, hold ajob. That's what the priests were.
They can't wear masks, they theycan't come back to this. The priests

(58:42):
were given let's say, hey,take care of the priests, man,
that's what they're doing that they're connectingwith all of the plants. They're connecting
with God and the angels. Theycan't be out here going to the club
and at the bar. They don'tdo that. This is what they live
for. They're born under the starsystem. They know that, and you
need to know that and assist andcome and listen and come and learn and
then actualize it. And they hadthis whole process set up and God that

(59:07):
orchestrated. This still operates at avery similar process, but this world doesn't
and the construct so it's very hardfor those priests and for those shamans that
are just born under that star system. Man, that you're just this is
what you do. You're hearing voices, you're seeing visions. Some are hearing

(59:27):
more, some are seeing more,some are feeling it in their body.
Everybody operates differently. But it's thebalance. That's the biggest thing for me
is the conversation, just because myinbox, man, and not just that
I know people like you know whatI'm saying and I'm one who's been through
it and I get the thoughts too, But how do you am I Jesus.

(59:51):
Yeah, I am. You justsaid, like, hey, this
his story is our story. Butyou get the people who have these breakthroughs
or whatever. I am Jesus,wor me give me this. I am
him. It's like, nah,we all are Him, even the Muslims,
even the people you hate, apiece of them are Him. The
parts that are beautiful, the partsof them that's lovely if you honor it

(01:00:12):
and honor him and everything and everyone. It's a lot bigger than the psychosis.
But did you go through it atall? Man Like? It's hard
to balance, but it's hard tomake. It's hard to make your way
back and be able to actualize throughthat. You know what I'm saying.
The beauty of it, I couldspeak for myself. I never made my
way back before. Before I evenmade contact with the mushroom, I was

(01:00:37):
ready to leave this earth. Iwas done. So I was at the
end. There was no other wayfor me. And that's when it really
started to break through. Now,the connection. It's it's very funny because

(01:00:58):
once that happened, I went furtherand rather into it. So I went
crazier and crazy, crazier, crazierand crazier. We're crazy. I'm crazy.
They were like, Okay, thisperson's weird. He's weird, he's
not doing what he needs to do. But I was trusting the voice.
I knew it was not me,so I was trusting it. And because

(01:01:22):
I had nothing else to believe in, so I started trusting it. And
what manifested from it were it waseverything. It was, everything was the
ideas was everything. It was thewhole creation of a whole business with funnels

(01:01:44):
with that's bringing investors into the mixof it was. It was the creation.
I was able to get so woowoo that I was able to integrate
it into the here and now,and it made me a Jedi in the
here and now. I know Ican walk on. You don't have to
believe it, but you can sitback and watch. I know that what
I say will come to reality.I know that what I see in my

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mind's eye is going to happen.So I think big and I'm putting together
big puzzle pieces. You're show.That's because of the psychosis that I allowed
myself to go through. I didn'ttry to integrate. I listened. I
got out of the way, andit it took care of me because I
did so I said, okay,okay, but you learned through that though,

(01:02:30):
right, I mean you learned etiquette. Let's say that. You know
what I'm saying, you learn holdon, let me they're teaching me how
to just like they're reading me andscanning me, like they teach you how
to do that. Correct, it'sJedi mind tricks, just like, hey,
I know not to tell you dccritsbecause your your heart ain't right and
I can tell just by standing nextto you. So like, but that's

(01:02:53):
when that windows open. Yes,that's kind of sort it's scary because you're
you have you learn etiquette. Yeah, if you make it through, you
tune into all energy. Right,It's like I'm an open conduit, not
just for light, but for darknesstoo. Yeah, and I know how
to integrate. I know how touse that to the advantage of the mission

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of the plan. Right. Idon't shy away from feelings or from things.
I use all of them, whichis just the true human experience.
Yeah. Right, so really hereand now but plugged into Yeah, but
plugged in exactly what it's I thinkit's about having an impact, you know,
um, which is receipts, whichis like Hey, I'm this okay,

(01:03:39):
show me, you know, Iwould always you know, I get
tons of message and I don't wantto. You know, first of all,
I don't want to take advantage ofanybody who's um mentally unstable. I
don't want to do anything like that. I don't want to mock somebody because
I don't know, Like what ifyou are? Like I get messages,
Hey, I'm your mother from Egyptand you know, blah blah blah and

(01:04:00):
stings, and they do you believeme? It's like, what do you
mean? Do I believe you showedme? Tell me something like what do
you mean? Like if you are, you should have something, not just
to take your word for it.And so the same thing with you know,
what's religion? Anything showed me?Show me? Oh yeah, the
mushrooms tell you and showed me whatthe mushrooms told you. Don't tell me
what they told you, show me, show me Jesus was I'm a Christian?

(01:04:25):
I believe oh showed me because youshould. Eventually, when you start
integrating with these things, man,you start embodying them. And I'm telling
you, like, that's what happenswith mushrooms. What Jesus whatever, personification
that existed somewhere that now exists inyou, because it's always it's like you

(01:04:45):
said, it's already it's in you. The Bible tells you Christ in you
Him outside. If you ain't gotnothing to do with you two thousand years
ago, if it even was real, like we don't, but today my
life shows that. And I hadto do that with my wife. Okay,
now you're gonna be doing mushrooms everyweekend, and now you're gonna be

(01:05:05):
bl blah blah blah, nopey likethat. It ain't like, Okay,
show me, and it's like I'mgonna show you, like you'll see my
life and she could tell you knowwhat I'm saying. And so there's nothing
you can say against it because youknow you got the you have the fruit,
and that's what you judge. Imean, you judge fruit. I
mean that's what they call. Whatis your fruit? Did you get any

(01:05:28):
fruit? You know from it?And you can because people eat that and
people see that, and you can'tlie. Fruit doesn't lie. It tells
you what tree that is by thefruit that it brings forth. And so
somebody's saying talking good game about businessventures and money and man, we're millionaires.
If we can say okay, wellyou bad channel a little bit of
money of it than or be ableto navigate in this realm. Because it's

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hard, it's scary, it's verysad to watch a lot of people.
Hopefully they you know, my thingis just to show them that's what you're
doing. You can tell me allday, we can talk about this all
day, but show me. Youcan give me financial advice. I don't
let mess you the numbers. Youcan show me that you have legal exemption.

(01:06:11):
Oh show me if people lying tellingyou they got legal exemption, you
know, and all kinds of things, but they can't show anything, bring
the proof, bring to bring thereceipts. And I think that's a big
part of it. I have nothingto show you. It's you that are
going to see it for yourself.That's all you see. That's all you
see. And you become an expertbecause it is your experience and no one

(01:06:38):
else has lived your experience. Andwhen you have enough self esteem to know
who you are, and you knowthat your experience is medicine for someone else,
for sure, you sneak into itfor sure. That's what you gotta
know. That's what they that's whatthey tell you. That's what the that's
what the fairies say. Just showpeople that we're here. That could be

(01:07:00):
anything. Tell them what we said. No, I'm telling them, show
them what we said. Correct,Be quiet, be still, shit in
nature. You know, we'll showup. We're always there. Quit moving
so fast, slow down. Imean, that's what that's what they're telling.
I mean, that's what the mushroomsare telling everybody. Correct. And

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that's why to go back to it, right, It's not for the ego.
It's to get back in tune forOkay, but you know what I'm
here for and what needs to bedone? What is the most creative way
to do it? You see thecircumstances. How how how do you do
it the most creative way? Howdo you do it so there's no face
of it? How do you doit so it impacts the subconscious much easier?

(01:07:44):
Right? That it's it's it justgets creative. You you have a
partner in the mission. Yeah,you're not alone. Yeah, we have
many. You know that's one thingthat when I when I mentioned plant medicines
or any type of plants and getyou know, we can we can we
can put you know, psilocybin andmushrooms just in that category just as a
fact. That's like you don't becomedependent on one thing, you know,

(01:08:09):
because like any of it, anythingcould be abused, you know, alcohol,
breathwork, I mean, you know, money, everything could be abused,
sex, m But the beautiful thingthat I appreciate now is that in
these modalities there's so many like ifit is hot, ay, if it
is you know, mushrooms, ifit is breathwork, Um, come on,

(01:08:35):
like cow ceremonies, like you knowwhat I'm saying. There's so many
that are a part of first ofall, your natural genetic makeup. You're
fearfully and wonderfully made. The Bibletalks about and in the way that you
respond to such molecules, in themessage that they carry, because some of
them replicating, they're in other things, some of the healing that is in

(01:08:58):
here, they're the healing and meditationhealing that's in d MT. It's very
similar, it's very familiar, andthat's what you're that kind of helps you.
Hey, I've seen you before,right, yeah, man, I
was there. I was with them. That's my people. Anywhere healing exists
that's where I am, so youcan know that. And that's one of
the beautiful things is that we gotso many because you you you know,

(01:09:20):
you talk about yoga and breathwork andjust so many practical things that we have
versus you know, and let meask you this. Let me just tie
it in with this. I gota message from a guy found my podcast.
I guessed it was in my bookand stuff. And he's in prison

(01:09:43):
and he's writing me in prison,and eventually he joined my Patreon, like
in prison. He's paying in stufffrom prison, and that's freaking mind blowing,
you know, and prisoners sending memoney because he believes in what I'm
doing. That's just for me.That's he believes that there's something I need
to keep going. And it's justmind blowing that. And homeless people.
I've had the both, and trustme, they receive what they're looking for

(01:10:08):
because they know it's something of valuethere. It blows my mind to this
day. But I ended up gettingon a phone call with them, and
you know, he's reading books anddoing all these things, and you know,
asking about plant medicine and these allthese cool things. You know,
there's reading about experiences and stuff.But I'm like, what can I give
him there? He's in prison,Like, he's in a cell. He

(01:10:30):
can't really get nothing if it's contrabandif you do, so, what do
you teach them? What would youtell? What advice? What modality would
you give a person who's confined toa cell and they want to try to
break through or touch the divine butit seems like they can't because of their

(01:10:51):
situation in the penditentiary. What wouldyou if it's a meditation, if it's
breathwork, if it's a book,what would you give that person? Absolutely?
Yeah, so I would give themdefinitely breathwork. Meditation may be hard
to get into, especially if theydon't have a mindfulness practice. It may
be loud anytimes, so they can'tescape that sound. Breathwork something just to

(01:11:15):
get into nice and easy, justso they can get more awareness of themselves.
Right, That can help in allsituations there as well to control temperature,
temperature, temper you know what Imean. If that's a problem,
I would definitely have them step intomeditation. I would have them step into
just reading, right reading. Certainteachers, right, I love Alan Watts,

(01:11:41):
right, a teacher that can blendthe light in the darkness, so
they all can see the experience hereand now you really would just want to
help them reprogram and just structure thefoundation for the rewiring, right they have
no way to really rewire there.That's what I can consider the plant medicines
or that type of experience. Butbefore approaching it, you must be you

(01:12:04):
must have that base foundation laid right, So I would use that time for
that and through those readings and throughthat work, they'll just have a little
more awareness right where they might findthe peace in the situation that they're in
because they're within you, right,I mean the teacher, the thing that
you're looking for outside of you isreally within and if you can get to

(01:12:27):
that place of healing, like it'llshow up, even if it's embody as
a as a human like the teacherslike, if you get to that place
when you're just I feel like you, you have to just always be paying
attention to the molecules. What they'resaying, the healing. Oh wow,

(01:12:50):
I saw you in on a plantmedicine journey, but also hear you in
a song. And when this personsings, they know you too, They
know aspect of you. This thishealing personification. You know, I call
it Jesus. It's just healing inthe form of a person. But he
influenced so many people. He gota piece of him. He influenced me.

(01:13:11):
You know, um, everything,but being able to pay attention because
when you're ready, when the studentis ready, the teacher appears, and
um, God, the angels,they use everything, and it's something about
being initiated to hear them being.You know, it really is the biblical

(01:13:36):
prophecy of rapture about being. Youknow, hearing a message and two people
watching a movie is very easy wayto put it. But we're hearing different
things. You're being taught, youryour consciousness is because you're able to have
that conversation. Most people think it'stalking about this this This is a surface

(01:14:00):
level or at one level, buta deeper conversation is like, hey,
I'm continuing what we started, youknow, a couple of years ago or
wherever. And if that's somebody speakingto you. It is so crazy how
this reality is is mapped up andhow they constructed, Like if somebody created

(01:14:24):
it, if this is a matrix, whatever this is, somebody created it.
It's a divine intelligence that has putits signature and hidden easter eggs.
If you will within it to lookat the divine blue press. There's nothing
hidden. It's all in front ofour face. It's the awareness that sees
it, right, So don't Idon't see it as they hide anything.

(01:14:44):
They put it on in front ofthe face. Right. It's up to
you to have the awareness and theknowledge to read the books to figure out
the path. They're not going toteach you it. Why would they If
they woke you up to it,then you're as powerful as them. And
once they find that, once thepeople wake up to it, the ones
that come out and start squealing aboutit to wake up everyone or to save
the world doesn't fully understand that theworld is perfect how it is. This

(01:15:08):
is all Christ, This is allGod consciousness. So once you awaken,
you just know how to play thegame. So you can wear that mask
and you can be here right nowand you can be fully grounded to answer
that other previous of Jesus complex.Yeah, you speaking well, it ties
in because but I want to askyou too, because like it ties in

(01:15:31):
of why this you said, thisplace is perfect like it is? You
know, we want to change itand overcome and vote, and you know,
why are they lying? Why arethey hiding? It's only hiding it.
It's only hidden until you find it, until you know it's And then
maybe they don't know something we don'tfor sure. Maybe here there is something
greater to this that this, whatif this was? They've already proven the

(01:15:55):
math and everything, which proves tome basic basics common sense that it is
a matrix. Man, you startto figure out, Okay, well what
created this and what all AI is? It's just like a machine that we
are and what created it? Andobviously our consciousnesses are trapped in it?
And what what is that? Whyis that slave with some sort for some

(01:16:16):
reason? What what is this really? Um? That's it gets out of
this world? Right? I trulybelieve no man can trap man the way
man has. Yeah, we're goodat that. Um, this is it's
set up that way. You know, it's it's a it's a process.
You know, it's a sorting place. It seems like um, and everything

(01:16:36):
you said, even about you know, hiding things from you like no,
there's a reason, like there's areason you don't give a baby a gun.
You know what I'm saying. Um, I'm in the South and a
lot a lot of people people hunt, and a lot of kids have guns.
They can't use them themselves. Theythe parents buy it and they put
it up and they take them andteach them how to use it. You

(01:16:59):
don't just give it to one more. Even the car keys to their car,
the home ever, all of it'sgoing to be passed down. But
when do you get it is whenyou show that you're ready. You know
when the student is ready, whenyou come of age and not just you're
old, but you've showed that you'reresponsible and you're not going to hurt yourself
or hurt others. M I totallysee this realm as at least one aspect

(01:17:24):
of it being that UM. Andthere's a lot of things that kind of
come into play, for sure,because I think there's many they say dimensions
or realms that that overlap two.But what do you think is um,
what's the meaning if this is aschool to prepare you for what you know?
Um? Another is just a jumppad, it's just as just a

(01:17:47):
place that you know, let youknow. If isn't ascension a part of
this? Is it coming back anddoing it again and evolving the planet?
Is it being able to go tobecome an angel, to become a golden
teacher, like mm hmm, allof that probably, Yeah, that's a

(01:18:08):
great question, man. Yeah,it's probably all of that and more.
And you know, this is justall my idea of it. I know
nothing. I feel you know,it's we are. We are here in
a creation of some sort and we'repart of it. Um, and this

(01:18:28):
creation why we're here. I don'tknow. That could be a very that
can be. I I see itas we we are in some type of
thing that UM. I don't wantto sound dark and gloomy right now,

(01:18:49):
take a long time to get thewords out we can, but I feel
like, yeah, we're we're insome type of um, A great game
that's being played, a great machine, a great I feel like, whereas
if our consciousness is being used tocollect data, and these great beings or
the gods if you will, thatcreated all of this is really collecting data

(01:19:13):
so they know how to do thesame to many other worlds. I think
it's something much bigger that's happening,and a few are starting to wake up
in this game to see larger gamethat's being played and just to kind of
fight back in creative ways to learnlaws of power from history, to see

(01:19:34):
where the others felt short to learnand to apply. Yeah, that's that's
what I feel. No, Idon't need more than that. I don't
know more than that. Karma Ifeel karma is something that's real. But
if we come back, I feelwe may come back. But you know,

(01:19:54):
maybe as the aunt, maybe asthe cat, maybe as um.
You know. You know that's onething is that when you were camping like
that, that was you, bro, and you're gonna live that experience.
But oh for sure, for sureto some degree like um, you know,
or you get rewarded, you know, for the good that you've done
or both, and it just ittalies up the commentalities up. Hey man,

(01:20:18):
you know, when one percent good, it's all you need to be
is. But some of it willfolks say. And I kind of believe
some of that. You know,I want to be way more than fifty
percent, you know what I'm saying. But um, like you know,
just this experience, UM, thegood, the bad, the ugly,

(01:20:40):
all of it's part of this.It's it's unique. Um where we go
after I think that to a degree, Um, you get access to it
now, you know, where you'regonna go. Who your teachers are when
you you know, when you gofrom middle school to high school, your
teachers change. Some of them becomeharder, some of them show you things
I like in religion. Too manypeople who are in this school, but

(01:21:05):
they're in the twelfth grade and theymock the third grader because they don't know
calculus. And the third grader says, we don't need calculus, and calculus
is stupid and calculus isn't real.Will never need it? Well, you
don't need it right now, sobut one day you will. No,
I'll never need it. You know, this is really our conversation. We
don't know how to you know,this is totally what's happening, but it's

(01:21:30):
when you need it. It showsup like you, you experience it and
everything you said about you know,the energy while we're here the dark.
I think there's dark stuff at play. I know there's dark stuff at play.
Put it that way, But againyou're talking about is it bad like

(01:21:53):
you? Who am I? Whoam I becoming? Why am I here?
This? The things bigger than us, beyond us? But I think
that this is about an ascension ordescension to where you go next, like,
who do you get to teach frombeyond the grave? Like some many

(01:22:16):
traditions, including the ancient Christian traditions, believe that they're teachers got to teach
from beyond the grave. But ifyou don't have nothing worth teaching, I
don't think there's I don't even thinkthat's on the books, because nobody wants
to know what you're teaching. Nobody'sasking, and it's like the moment you

(01:22:36):
ask, you get access to thatinformation, whether that's them, whether that's
everything they held up to that thatpoint, because they're gone on on their
next place. But literally that they'veduplicated themselves. They've they've they've separated themselves
into many pieces that is able tobe accessed, which it seems like to

(01:23:00):
some degree what the psilocybin and justthe mushrooms have done. Because it's the
walkie talkie. Everyone's having a verysimilar conversation, you know, and you
don't have to know each other andeven the different strains or if you even
get to partake of mushrooms, likeif you just go deep into meditation,

(01:23:24):
like the man in prison who maynot ever get to do that, does
he miss out? No? Likeyou, you don't need to go get
the DMT. If when you needDMT, it'll be provided for you in
your pineal gland and through the breath, and you'll be able to experience maybe
not exactly the same thing, butsomething similar that they're teaching. They'll find

(01:23:44):
another way to teach it to you. If it's incarnating through it. Another
inmate that just shares you, shareswith you everything that they told him,
why he was out and free.That's how this works. When you need
it, boom, everything just comesinto a line. Your consciousness is a
part of this, every thought,every vibration, every feeling, every fear,

(01:24:06):
and it knows that and it's tryingto help you to get the the
BS out. Hey, don't entertainthe fear man, don't entertain this stuff
because there's you know, I believethat there's entities that eat that. You
know what I'm saying. That theyharness that energy and it gives them power.
It's easy, it's low hanging fruit. And but also with the beauty

(01:24:28):
and bliss, there are also otherum I'm gonna say, entities that eat
it. But it's it's um,it's currency, it's energy, which is
what currency is. The currency ofelectricity or the generating free electricity or free
energy. Um, that you canpay something to be around you, that

(01:24:51):
you can have an exchange, thatyou can bring something to show your appreciation.
All spirits work that way. U. So now when I say that,
do you think that psilocybin works thatway? Because again, that conversation
is gonna you can't just keep showingup. You didn't do what we told
you to do. We told youto go forgive everybody, right, there's

(01:25:14):
amazing maps about how this even lookslike the AA program of like for giving
yourself, forgiving others, making amendslike all of that, because it's kind
of mapped out through the psychedelic experience. But you can't come and just keep
taking, taking taking versus like,hold on, you didn't do what we
asked you to do, but nowyou want something else. Embody correct.

(01:25:38):
Yeah, it's the beauty of itis. It works best when you listen,
But even if you don't listen,the work is still gonna get done.
All right. You're not going tohave the pleasant journeys. It's gonna
start to go dark. It's gonnatake you to a place where maybe you're
gonna be like, Okay, Idon't need this anymore. Those are the
people that just like walk away fromit and they're done with it because they

(01:25:58):
didn't listen it. Um. Yeah, but that's I think that's why it's
important that these conversations happen and thatso people understand, Oh yeah, you
know, you can develop a relationshipwith it, meaning that you can have
this repartee and listen, hearing andbeing able to apply. And that's really
the repartee, right, that's thecommunication. It's all energy, Okay,

(01:26:23):
they integrity there you go, there, you go, and they can read
it and all beings that are becauseit's you, you know you, And
if you're not real, it ain'tgonna work. Yeah for sure. You
know if you have hidden motives,nobody else does. Correct. You know
that you're only here to get informationto teach people, you know what I'm

(01:26:46):
saying, Like any of that,I mean, that's in it. Even
in the nuances like it don't work. You gotta come hands clean, heart,
pure, pure, purify yourself andif you're not ready listen, come
back later. Man. It's allgood. Okay, it's okay, right,
it's not it's it's not for everyone, right, maybe something else will
call right, maybe there'll be anothermedicine that calls out, and it's like,
man, that's kind of calling mea little more. I want to

(01:27:09):
go to that path because maybe there'ssomething deeper there that needs to be reorganized
to be able to get that thingopen. Right. So it's really following
your intuition. That's the big thing, man, because the more you follow
that, the more at once thingsstart to work out. You start to
see, Okay, that that's thesuperpower, man, that's the connection,
that intuition, that intuitive feeling.Man. Whence that becomes very sensitive.

(01:27:30):
You know who's good for you.You know what situation is good for you.
You know when the time is togo. You know when you wake
up, you wake up right ontime all the time. Whatever, it's
it's just you're you're in you're inflow, right, and that when you
can get out of flow to rightor at least feel like you are right
right right, it's um, you'reyou're you're in in Yeah, exactly,

(01:27:51):
it's all idea, but well exactlybecause you're the only one who knows it.
You're the only one who senses that. Nobody told you that unless you
let them but it only made sensebecause you believed it. But the abb
and the flow, that's that's foryou to decide. Who knows that correct?
And that's where these esoteric practices andthese things that are very unpractical for

(01:28:14):
a lot of people become very practical, like law of attraction, right,
because when you're in that flow ofEvan flow and you see, okay,
things just kind of work a littleeasier for you, where you have this
thought and it kind of manifests foryou. Now you start to become a
little more sensitive to oh that's howthat shit works. Yeah, you understand.
So now now you start to havefun with this game. Now these
rituals aren't like, oh man,it's a practice I have to do.

(01:28:36):
I got to meditate just so I'mhappy you. Now you're like, dude,
I thought I got powers inside ofme, man, And now it's
a it's a balance of not lettingthe ego getting the way of getting lost
in that which is being open tounderstanding. Man, we're more powerful than
what we've been taught. Yeah,we're conduits, you know, and we
allow that flow of information of energyto enter us and go to and through

(01:28:59):
us, right or come from outof us either way. You know,
there's many I think many ways.Let's say that. But before we jumped
on this call, I have aditch in my backyard that's holding water.
Water is becoming stagnant in the pipe, and I had to go out there
and shovel through where there was leavesand debris and things in the way that

(01:29:20):
the water wouldn't flow. So whenit we come to this place where we
feel like we're out of flow orwe're out of sync because maybe synchronicities were
happening, happening, maybe we're having, you know, all these divine encounters
and when you're in that and thenwhen it kind of stops, like you
know, oh that would I do? But but you know what you did

(01:29:41):
wrong or what you didn't what?Hey, we asked you to do this
and you still haven't. We askedyou to quit lying. You haven't quit
lying yet, and you're gonna keeplying. Bro, we can't really move
forward. Get moved that out theway because it's blocking the flow. Get
out there. I went out therewith the ditch and I cleaned it out
so that the water that was stagnantenergy and it was attracting creatures, right,

(01:30:06):
insects and different bugs that normally wouldthey use that and lay eggs,
But as long as it's flowing water, um, it's different. So I
think that that's how this flow ofenergy of creativity works for everybody. And
who who gets access to it?Where does it come from? It's that

(01:30:26):
that doesn't matter. It's just whatmatters is we all have access to it.
And I think what we're talking abouthere is just self mastery. Once
you know the self and then you'reworking with the energy. This is the
mastery of self. You you've youknowing and being in tune with who you
are, right, I think that'sessentially what it is. And you become

(01:30:47):
in tune with your authentic self,right, Yeah, you're honest, you
are. That's beautiful. That's that'sand that's that's all this is. It's
not some we can call all athealing and put many labels to fit into
different categories. That's just showing yourselffrom another another aspect, because isn't that
Like, I mean, that's thebest way. My first even the first

(01:31:10):
introspective, you know, two anda half grams or whatever, was like,
hey, let me let me helpyou look at this from another another
perspective. You've been looking at it. You're down in it, rise above
it, look at this this this, Oh, you just move this out
the way. It's not that far. I'm gonna help you. It's already
in you. You're not becoming something. That was the message and it still

(01:31:31):
is the message. But it's likejust giving you another fresh pair of eyes
to observe it with. Correct.Correct, Correct, because you can't see
the forest because there's a tree infront of you. Correct. But it's
not until you step back or geta bird's eye view of your situation of
eternity, of life, of whywe're here while you're going through this hardship

(01:31:54):
or whatever. Absolutely, you knowall of the different things that you offer.
You do a lot of different ceremoniesand some of the things that I
mentioned, um that I really lovethat I feel like we have in our
arsenals and things. Um, hopeis something that you you work with as
well, Um CaCO, you know, mentioning the molecular structure of these elements

(01:32:20):
right that are combined. Um,they sing a similar song. Oh you
know that song too? Are youheal too? Okay? Yeah, all
healers do this, And I'm inall of these at least a piece of
just literally molecular structure. I thinkI would feel like on a sub atomic
level, is a is an entity. It's its own intelligence. You know,

(01:32:40):
a piece of it and that wecan encounter and you know, and
and through ingestion, through through absorbing, allowing it to become a part of
you, and you are emerging withit and absorbing it. It's very deep
concept. But um, what aresome of the benefits of the cacao and

(01:33:05):
the hope I have them? Ass, I don't know. I don't want
to. I don't feel like I'veused any of this stuff. You know
what I'm saying, Like it's veryrare, but but that keeps the newness
on it for me. That Okay, when it's time to do a certain
retreat, we're gonna meditate, We'regonna do breathwork on cacao. When I'm

(01:33:27):
carrying a lot of heaviness, whenthere's a lot of static in me,
on me, when people talking aboutme and it keeps coming up, I'm
gonna do hope and I'm gonna releaseit in the ground back to Mamma.
You know what I'm saying, I'mgonna lay down on the ground and snotted
out. And I feel I havethese different modalities that I can go to
talk about your experience with you knowthose two in particular. Yeah, absolutely,

(01:33:48):
yeah, same same type of approach, you know, same approach.
They're they're all tools and they're allused and they have beautiful ancestral origin.
Right, So there's traditional ways toapproach them. But you know, with
us being here now, we learnedthe approach of how to approach it.
But then we can apply it tojust how we run our daily lives.

(01:34:10):
Right. Cacao beautiful for opening upthe heart right, nice are open,
very gentle, can be cleansing too, right at the right dosages. Hope.
Hope is a great tool for takingsomeone off the edge when they may
be in a loop with silicide.Right. So depending on what type of
hope you're using, is it verygrounding, is it more in the head,

(01:34:33):
what what what kind right? What'sthe loop that they're in? Right?
And what species of mushroom did theytake? Is it very gentle?
Is it more heavy? Want allthis stuff into plant? Hope is very
good for, like you said,snotting everything out, very big on doctor
Seby, right, very big amucus ridding the body of mucus hope is

(01:34:53):
beautiful for that so extremely cleansing forsure. Exactly like you said. When
I know people are doing heavy magicand I feel the energy all stuck to
me, I like to just considerthat magic when I feel that, I
know other I know others are arethrowing magic the way, so there's work
that needs to be done. Yeah, So I consider that like as a
form of protection for sure, right, bounding, just connecting. And it's

(01:35:18):
very rare for me too, veryvery rare for me too. I respect
it right because it's powerful. Yeah, use the hooden coo coo and Murray.
I believe it is the very grounding. Yeah, it's very ground um.
And I say that on the backof like like why would you you
know, want to or how howis it possible to leave it up to

(01:35:40):
us to find a way to abuseand to become addicted? I um,
I literally, man, I don'tknow when I ordered this. It had
to be five years ago, tobe honest with you. And I have
two vials of it and I'm stilllike I do it on my retreats and
personal use and stuff, but they'realmost like still full like they almost like
I've never even used them, whichis kind of kind of strange, to

(01:36:01):
be honest with you. But Igot a friend of mine whom in the
past, he was like, wedid it together, and he was like,
man, it's very powerful, youknow, and he bought his own.
And this joker went like, Imean, he was doing it like
he would smoke cigarettes like like allday, and he went through the like
a couple of weeks. Man,It's like, oh God, I don't

(01:36:23):
know if it was supposed to beused like that, dude, you know
what I'm saying. But you know, to each his own, I guess,
you know, we find a wayto to abuse things, you know.
Yeah, I've been seeing that aroundtoo. It's funny that you say
that. It's like I see likethe little Boka moms with their little vials
of hope right now, because thatseems happening. They have their little applicator

(01:36:44):
and they're doing a little bit,and I see the beauty and that it's
cool that they're bringing it down intotheir daily lives. But then I do
know the tradition of it, andthat ship was like that was like initiation
in a way, right when theyput the Hope in they were going,
you went all in. It wasa lot, It was a lot.
Yeah, that's what I was gonnaLike. I watched some of the footage
and I'm like, is that howwe're supposed to do it? Like they're

(01:37:05):
like, man, I don't knowif you've seen some of the footage,
but they're like, you probably haveif you're a student, Like I am
just watching all of these old videosof documentaries, but the Long Applicator and
they're like broing and it's going inone nostril so much, hitting them in
the brain and then coming out ofthe other like yep, Like there's no

(01:37:27):
way. We just do a littlejust a little piece. I know,
pa, I love, thank you, thank you. But they're like,
yeah, going in, rolling aroundthe dirt and ship Yeah yeah. And
I have you had that experience withhotfe or is it you have you've done
that with the Hope? Yeah?I have. When I when I sat
with Ruasca, it was a partwhere the night before I sat with her

(01:37:48):
beautiful spirit and I knew I neededto do HOTE, but I didn't.
So I felt like she was stuckin me and she didn't really release because
I didn't do hope. I wasa little scared, right, my egos
in the way. The next dayI was like, Okay, if that
happens again, I just got todo it. Yeah, because I saw
someone go through the experience and thatdid not look pleasant at all. What
were you at? You must havebeen in amazon A, Peru or something.

(01:38:11):
Writer, Yeah, no, withthe ayahuasca, I was here.
I was and that much hot egg. Yeah yeah, they used that much
topic. Yeah, used a lotof opicum. I think the dude was
very intuitive. I think he knewlike I was on like the cusp of
having a really nice journey, andhe knew I just had to break through
something, and he got them throughit. I mean literally I started purging.

(01:38:34):
I had diarrhea. I literally feltlike I had to go take a
shit and I go had diarrhea andI have to purge instead. I was
just a weird, weird. It'sgood with that. Even the mushrooms of
throwing up and cleaning out the body, for sure, absolutely absolutely, like
they know that there's toxins and chemicalsand us that that carry information and water

(01:38:55):
and all that too. So yes, yes, yeah, they're cleansing,
that's what that's a deep cleansing problemus, you know, so I mean
all everything inside, just that simpleact of digesting the medicine, what it
does to our minds or altars whatever, it's clearing out our bodies. Now
do you find do you find thathot babe? Even on maybe on a

(01:39:15):
big dose or something like that?Does it do you work as a psychedelic
or maybe if you do that muchlike a body? Like, is it
there's levels? Because I don't reallyI've had friends who do it in passing
and like, but they're not doingyou know, big doses. But even
though the one P and each nostrilfor me is like you kind of got
to give yourself to it, likeyou can do it in past. Oh
it's that's cool. I don't feelnothing like that kind of like okay,

(01:39:39):
that's that's not it. Do iteven just a little bit laid down and
just you gotta close your eyes andjust kind of say, hey, what's
up? Is that how you feel? Gotta meet it? You gotta meet
it halfway? What about on thosebig doses? Though? I feel that
meant could like like you don't haveto meet it halfway. It's gonna meet
you just go right into it.Right, and sometimes it's a too intense,

(01:40:00):
right, like smoking a big cigar. I'm sure, yeah, I'm
sure. Like a body, I'msure your body like vibrates or something on
that correct. Correct. So like, UM, that's typically more approached when
we do the medicine work, right, UM, because it allows the journey
to get what you're fully grounded.I'll say this, so I kind of
changed my protocol. UM. Sowhen we do for the longest time,

(01:40:24):
we do our retreats and stuff UM. And I don't do do psilocide,
but under retreats myself. But wehave said hello to other other things.
But it gotten to where I woulddo UM. We just spend a day
in nature and then we do UM. In the evening, we'll do a
lot of breath work. We kindof just wait for the sun to go
down and really tap in through UMCO, do a cacao ceremony, go deep

(01:40:48):
into breathwork and it's beautiful, likeyou know, your heart's in it and
music. It's just amazing, right, and then we'll do at the end
of that, we'll do hote afterthe cacao and breath work, like maybe
do a couple of hours of breathwork you know, um, but your
your body's vibrating, you feel it. Then we do the hote, but

(01:41:10):
only to get ready to go outat the end for CE five in the
field about you know, midnight orsomething and um, and I felt like
recently, like hold on, wegot to change this procedure up, because
like through the cacao and through thebreath work, like you're becoming so high
like your body, you're you're becominglight I say high like light and you're

(01:41:30):
in tune. But then the hoteis like super grounding and you kind of
crash out. And it wasn't untilrecently that we went in really deep and
then do the hot pa. It'slike, oh, I kind of feel
weird. Now this is very andnow we're going to go out and do
the CE file self. But Iwas like, hold on this, I'm

(01:41:53):
have to change this procedure up becausewe got really high energy, high frequency,
and probably the best thing to dowas to go straight out there with
that high frequency versus hitting the hota and maybe vice versa. Ground first,
get everything out and then kind oflift off, you know. But
yeah, it was something I hadto kind of go back to the drawing

(01:42:13):
board here recently. Yeah, whatI in those situations for our you know
kind of events. I love.I love to turn to cannabis. Cannabis
is a beautiful, beautiful teacher,especially what approach with intention and if you
imbibe with intention and give thanks andyou know, call in the plant the

(01:42:33):
spirit of the plant. I givethanks. I ask you to open my
heart, my mind, my soul, and I opened my vessel to all
beings that are out there in thispoint of time. And I asked to
birth the creative, energetic visions insidemy mind's eye, to easily locate where
they are, to bring them backinto this space with easy trajectory, right,

(01:42:57):
calling intention into it and doing alittle ceremony like back, um,
instead of very grounding, it's morelifty, right, and can take them
into that space of easy imagination,right, No, no trying, They
just lay the intent and it kindof shows. So that could be something
fun to navigate, to navigate withtwo, but it's tricky to control on

(01:43:19):
many right. Yeah, So that'sthat's that's the thing really depends on your
audience. Have you, um,have you had a chance to say hello
to Salvia us but but particularly you'relaughing and a lot of people laugh.
No, don't do it right,you're laughing. But particularly the leaves.

(01:43:41):
Let me say that the leaves.Have you had a chance to say hello
that way through ingesting chewing the leavesto chewing the leaves. No, I've
never never experienced that in salvia issomething that I've really wanted to experience and
play with more. Um tried itonce you're smoking out of the ball because
friends are like videos. Yeah,and it was very intense. I don't

(01:44:06):
know what I was doing, butI started crawling around. It was drooling
from my mouth, cracking up.Yeah, and then I came back to
myself. I was like, whatam I doing? And I had no
control. My arms kept moving.I was literally crawling and I wasn't doing
it. A really funny and funnyexperience. But yeah, I've seen documentaries

(01:44:26):
and the research behind the chewing though. Have you watched any of those?
No? No, No, elaboratea little more. No, it's just
definitely a slower because it's like,it seems I've never done it, but
I've watched all the crazy videos andit's heard stories from people are like,
yeah, I don't do it,you'll piss yourself. I mean all kinds
of stuff, and it's like,yeah, it was nothing spiritual about it.

(01:44:48):
But then I watched those documentaries.The BBC has a great one,
and it is more like chewing onit and just slowly coming in tune with
nature or feeling connected to the tree, feeling connected with every the people around
you. Like it's a really seeminglybeautiful experience that now even when I talk

(01:45:11):
about it, people are like,no, don't do it. I'm like,
wait, wait, wait, no, watch this documentary. Watch there's
so many on this of like chewingit and if you know, if it's
if it's illegal schedule one, there'sprobably something to it, right that they
don't want you knowing because you probablydon't want to return to the warehouse job
Monday morning. You probably won't youknow, those kind of things. But

(01:45:33):
yeah, I didn't know if youhad a chance. But check out those
documentaries. The BBC has one.It's an older one, but there's several.
Hamilton Morris Hamilton's Pharmacopeia. He wentto Mexico and he's with let me
say, a shamanic healer, amedicine woman in Mexico, and she's just

(01:45:56):
giving them these big leaves that he'srolling up and eating, and he's explaining
because he's a student and he's aresearcher. He's explaining what he's seeing and
what he's feeling. Obviously it's setand setting. This lady here is fanning
and praying over him, you know, if that God would receive him aloud,
cleanse him, and it just lookslike this beautiful ceremony while he's doing

(01:46:20):
it. So those two things Iwould definitely I would. I want to
come see you anyway, but ifyou was able to provide something like that,
I'm looking. I want that tobe available in the States. And
so many people who are able,I mean, they're they're working with different
plants, you know what I'm saying. But that's one that I'm like,

(01:46:42):
I want to I want to experience, you know, while I'm here,
you know, but check it out. Yeah, person, back to another
thing. I remember watching the TerriceMcKenna and he was speaking about Salvia denorm
and just talking about how it's themost powerful psychedelic that many have yet truly
understand and what it is. He'slike, it's something that if I had
more time, I would go deeplyinto. But no, one has yet

(01:47:04):
to go deeply into it and tofigure it out and paid the landscape for
people to actually approach it, becauseI'm sure there probably is a way to
navigate it. It probably is away to smoke it and to get to
a space that can be duplicatable orapproach. Maybe burn it as an incense
and just be in the room withit, you know what I'm saying,
instead of like, you know kindof thing. Yeah, correct, correct,

(01:47:27):
correct, But we need more ofthose those investigators. And McKenna was
totally that, you know, AndI just hate that that one gets a
bad rap because of the Internet andbecause of people abusing it, i would
say, and getting extract and combiningit. They were selling this at headshops
and all over the place before itbecame illegal, and then people, I

(01:47:49):
guess, looking for something similar replacethat with the so called incense stuff that
they were buying at gas station spiceand stuff. Yeah, very strange,
And I didn't I've never done either, but I've definitely watched my share of
videos back in the mid two thousands, mid that late two thousands all over
YouTube. It was kind of atrend or whatever. Um now what about

(01:48:13):
um? What is it. Uh, my goodness, Um, the other
the de Mario. For some reason, it's the words slipping my mind,
the Mario mushroom. Um. Haveyou had a chance to say hello?
You got to? You got to? Yeah, yeah, you gotta say

(01:48:34):
hello. Huh yeah. It's aum, I mean, I don't think
it's spiritual. I'll say that.Other people, you know, said it
was with us, but they hadn'tdone And so it was during a retreat,
a men's retreat we did and um, we had so many people and
and they had never done the psilocybin. They had never said hello. But

(01:49:00):
I was like, if I getcaught with this much, I'm in trouble.
So I was like, yeah,let me kind of fly low.
We'll do something. So I waslike, let's say hello. Because there's
a lot of fear about, youknow, behind it, like most of
the stuff online with Amanita's scary,you know, people you hear all kinds
of stories that it's poisonous and somuch stuff. But we've eventually done enough

(01:49:20):
research to say, you know what, let's try y'all ready, this is
what we're doing, you know,And we did it, and it was
we did We did a couple ofGrahams at first, just to say hello,
because we were, you know,a little nervous. You want to
kind of ease into it. Andit's not knowing much. There's so much
this info out there. And Iguess it was about an hour in and

(01:49:43):
we really wasn't feeling anything, youknow, we're kind of about a fire
and stuff. And then and we'relike, come on, like these people
traveled from all over to be hereat this, you know, retreating stuff.
So like y'all ready to go,Like, yeah, I'm not feeling
nothing, let's go in. Sothen everybody just like eating a whole bunch
It's like eating a whole bunch ofthem. You know, I had a
big bag and eat them. Andthey're legal. That's why I say this,
guys, they are legal. Umyeah, it got real weird.

(01:50:08):
Um it kind of you have likea drunken feeling at first, Um,
just kind of motor skills kind ofum get a little wobbly and walking.
It's weird. And you get realrelaxed, and people even use it for
for a sleep aid, you know, insomnia and those things. But when
it got really intense, to behonest with you, it wasn't fun,

(01:50:30):
like maybe we overdid it or maybeit obviously has a purpose, but for
me, it was just to sayhello, you know what I'm saying kind
of thing. And memory was reallyweird, like short term memory loss.
You hear about this and PAULS.Dammits talks about this on Joe rogan Um.
You may have heard this episode wherethey're talking about doing a lot of

(01:50:54):
it at a at a campground andthey're walking and they feel like giants walking
real slow, and then they getback to their car and he picks up
his camera and they're sitting in thecar tripping on these mushrooms and he picks
up his camera and he drops it. He picks it up, and he

(01:51:14):
drops it again, and he's likestuck on this loop of dropping his camera.
His mind says, picked the cameraup, so he picks it up,
he drops it again, the mindspick it up, and so you're
stuck. And he's like, Idon't know how long we sat there,
you know, dropping but my camerawas demolished after just sitting in the car.
And I don't know if we droppedit for you know, twice,

(01:51:38):
forty times or a thousand and sogoing into it, like that night we
were trying to go to sleep,and I remember laying in bed and having
the idea, Hey, fluffed thepillow, you know, pillow feels weird,
fluffed, and then roll over,Hey fluff the pillow. The pillows
uncomfortable, and I'm and then somy language is the same. I don't

(01:52:00):
know if I fucked it three timesor for an hour, you know what
I'm saying of this slope because ithad that weird feeling foot. Yeah,
but it's definitely worth saying hello,you know what I'm saying. That kind
of thing and very interesting, maybeeven doing it earlier during the day or
something versus we were doing it,you know, at night. And sometimes
you can't go to sleep on yourminds just close your eyes and it's just

(01:52:24):
like you're kind of subject to whateverit's there. And sometimes that can be
overwhelming, absolutely cogs and machines andspiders and stuff like, oh God,
open your eyes, eybuddy, don'tgo to sleep yet. Let's go talk
about something else, you know.Just changing the setting, you know,
changes a lot of stuff. Butbut I think it's worth saying hello,

(01:52:47):
just saying hey, my name isAnd that's why I was just that's what
I tell people. Yeah, that'swhat we're doing with Hey, my name
is Derek. What's going on doing? But it's to kill the you know,
the fear of and maybe you're stillscared of it. I'm not definitely,
you know what I'm saying. Ithas its purpose of just doing a
little bit maybe even micro docing too, as a sleep aid you need to

(01:53:09):
sleep. This is what I do. This is the only thing I do.
Take too much robot using same thing. People abuse whatever they can and
absolutely, but what what so whatwhat else is there that that is part
of your regiment or you have inyour letts say, your arsenal that you

(01:53:30):
can tap into when needed that youfind very beautiful. That's a great question.
Um M, it's it's just theit's just having the faith right,
or having the faith in the mushroomsworkings in label at the mushroom, but

(01:53:50):
just how everything is unfolding and thefamily that attracts from it, right.
Um it's it's beautiful that when youwalk your path authentically, you don't have
to seek anyone. They all start. You start to find your family,
right, and that's that's a blessingin itself. Yeah, No, it

(01:54:12):
is your vibe attraction tribe, Likethe energy you put out, what you're
looking for is looking for you becauseit's literally inside of you. And whatever
you need shows up, whatever youneed shows up to you. And and
if it doesn't become that, becausethere's this strong sense of what the collective
needs. And I've said this andI continue to say it, the only

(01:54:36):
thing that the avatar person that I'mreaching in the audience, the compassion,
Like I'm still talking to the youngerversion of myself who's going through this awakening.
Who there's a young Christian you knowwho you go tell them? People
you know you're possessed by demons thatyou know, astrologies, demonic mushrooms,

(01:54:59):
are demand aliens or everything's demonic,you know. And I'm in that realm,
but feeling called deeper and not havinganyone to talk to and looking the
podcasts like this and so even today, like I look into the camera and
I try to ask questions that Iknow the younger met, the younger Stacy,
the younger Jeremy, whoever the youngerme wants to know, And I'm

(01:55:21):
asking I'm the conduit between you andthe younger version of myself. You know
what I'm saying, because I knowwhat I needed and I had some and
have some great questions. And that'show you remain a student man, you
know, And this is so beautifulto be able to provide that. Man.
Let let people know where they cango to check out your work and

(01:55:43):
about your retreats and stuff. Doyou do these one on one? Do
you do big group retreats? Howdo you work those? And when's the
next ones you got coming up?Yeah, that's a great question. So
we have many. We have oneevery month. We're in Portugal as well
as Jamaica, but we operate inthe States in Oregon, so everything's legal
above board. Um. But yeah, all retreats are typically one on one.

(01:56:04):
I like to work specifically with theindividual to guarantee whatever they're looking to
get out of the experience, right, So we don't work with everyone.
Um. We work with those whoare have been in the ship and they're
sick and tired of being there.Um. They're humble enough to know that
they know nothing, but they're willingto find something in that nothing. And

(01:56:24):
if that's that's the individual, thenwe typically like to um to go deep
with them and we teach them theprotocol. But UM, yeah, you
can find me on www. Dotfinally detached dot com. UM, that's
where you can check out the work. Um. You can put your information
in if you're interested, and wecan schedule a call and we'll just go

(01:56:45):
ahead and shoot the ship and seewhat your journey has been like and what
you're looking to really approach and andget out of the next phase of what
you're what you're living, what thisexperience is right, and if things sound
good and if it's a right fit, then we can move from there.
Okay, heck yeah, And I'llput your links and everything in the show
notes and in the description. Man, before we go, there's a show

(01:57:10):
we've been watching. My wife lovesthe video game, but the last of
us are you familiar with with thatshow and content of you've been watching it
at all? Or no? Ihave been watching it, but I heard
the connection of the mushrooms or thefungus. That's like the zombie fungus,
right, So it's very funny.I'm starting to see that now this whole
idea of fungus infecting humanity is startingto be positioned. And it's funny how

(01:57:34):
that's being positioned as the mushroom iskind of telling to teach people how to
have a relationship with it. Right, So it's kind of like that dichotomy
of what you just explained, Likepeople are still seeing it as oh,
it's demonic, when really it's likethis whole paradigm that's been in place to

(01:57:55):
keep you from accessing it. Yeah, yeah, like this happened, and
stay away just in case, youknow. But but I think what you
said was was deep. Was youknow, just the simple fact that the
aliens aren't out there, they're inhere. Like once you established connection in

(01:58:16):
here, you'll see them everywhere aswithin so also without. You'll see them
in every religion. You see themin every avatar, you see them in
every movie. Um, you become, you see their their fingerprint. You
do that anyway to whatever is yourteacher, whatever's your master, you listen

(01:58:39):
it teaches you. Whether that isthe Christian who says, hey, everything's
demonic, well is it really?Or is it just to you? Because
it became demonic when it passed byyou, so you know you definitely oh
yeah it wasn't. But you youdemonize that you made it demonic and everybody
that you tell, and now youknow you've given them the knowledge of good

(01:59:03):
and evil, of calling something good, you've called it evil. Yeah,
So everything subjective, man, itis, and it's beauty and everything especially
in this, especially in this andso man, champion healing no matter where
it comes from. There's a lotof Christians who listen to this, people

(01:59:23):
who are in church, people whoare asking questions. Man, I tell
you that, you know, itwas on record that Billy Graham and his
staff would visit Paul Stammons and otherswho were teaching on mushrooms and doing ceremonies
that they could never tell anybody,you know, and like you you mentioned,
like you've kind of earlier in timespast had to wear masks and stuff

(01:59:46):
and you couldn't really be associated.And trust me, one of the reasons
that I'm talking about it and mypodcast is as you know, successful as
it is is. I did itearly in a group of people who wouldn't
talk about it because of association.But it's like, hold on, if
this is champion, if this champion'shealing, it's good. And I am

(02:00:11):
doing a disservice if I hide thisfrom people because I'm scared of what they're
going to think of me or theboss or and listen, you gotta count
the costs, though you do haveto count the cost. Is it worth
it? Is somebody you know who'swho's dying of cancer and they're scared of
death. Is it worth it forthem to overcome their fear of death by
having five grams, ten grams whatever, And you gotta and if it's not,

(02:00:35):
keep it to yourself. But ifit is, there's no way that
you can. And so I wasthe one that was like, I even
have to talk about this more becauseof all of my friends who experienced the
same thing, they won't. Soit's not just I'm just mentioning it.
No, I would be silly notto and I would be it would be

(02:00:56):
doing a disservice to hold any healingmodality. And I get that from people
even currently. I've met with thisreligious leader and he was he was like,
yeah, let's just tell him aboutJesus Man. We don't need all
the mushroom stuff. And I waslike, no, no, no,
it's it's healing, bro. Iwould be doing a disservice to lie to

(02:01:18):
you and tell you that it's notgood and it's not here to serve and
all. But you're telling people todo that. I'm not telling people to
do anything. I'm telling you mystory and my relationship. This is my
truth. You're truth. You haven'texperienced that. Oh yeah, I did
when I was young. I'm nottalking about that when you were younger.
I'm talking about whatever the Bible says. Every good and perfect gift comes from

(02:01:43):
the Father above and to me healing, and no matter what form it comes
in, it's a good and perfectgift. Man, So listen embody that
take that which you breathe it in, enjoy the brother. Thanks so much
for hanging out. We'll have todo it again, dude when the hook
up with you. Bir absolutely man, appreciate so much to have a good
evening. Thank you so much,so much, high, so much.

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