When Faith Meets Fear: Are Church Leaders Fueling Supernatural Hysteria?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, we're pulling the veil back on haunted dolls, cursed objects,
the Boo Boo lore, and what ancient texts might say
about them.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is the Truth Seeker and Aaron podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
So today we're gonna talk about these cursed objects. Are
they real? Because the Internet seems to think so. There's
tons of things on Facebook and TikTok and all of
this stuff where they're talking about the Boo Boo is
demonic and cursed and get it out of your house

(00:34):
and all this kind of stuff. So brings up a
lot of really cool talking points, a lot of cool
things for us to talk about, and just it's gonna
be fun. See what the Bible says about it. Ancient lore.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, it's interesting too.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
The article recently in the news about the anvel doll
going on tour and the guy who took it.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
On tour mysteriously died.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
So a lot of people in the paranormal community are
super freaked out by and wondering if the doll really
is cursed, if it had.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Something to do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
And so we're going to get into some of that
ancient rituals and this Bible and the scriptures and what
they might be saying about it.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, so there's a difference between superstition and spirituality, and
this seems like a fine line that people don't know
the difference between.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, So, just to get right into it, I wanted
to talk about the Annabel situation, and really there's not
a lot of information out about it. The guy Dan
Rivera that took it on tour, he took it on
a Devil's on the Run tour where he's touring supernatural
supposedly haunted paranormal hot spots in the country, and a

(01:50):
lot of people in that community urged him not to
bring this cursed object on tour. And when you look
into it, Annabel and most people know, but if you
don't know, it is a horror franchise. But the story
is based loosely off of a true story where a
raggedy ann doll is supposedly possessed by demons. And they

(02:12):
had this doll in the Warren house. Lorraine Warren had
it blessed ever so often by a Catholic priest and
it was sealed in this box that was consecrated with
holy water, and probably I don't remember what all they
did to put these sigils and protections on it, but
they urged the guy not to.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Take it, and then on one of the nights of.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
The tour, he mysteriously passed away, and supposedly the doll
has disappeared and they can't find it now. So do
we think there's any basis to a doll being cursed
and being able to harm a human being?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Uh? Chucky? I mean, you know, Chuckie put it, Charles
Lee Ray put his soul into a doll, and he
was killing people and stuff, So I mean it's possible. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what
to think of it, because you know, it's one thing
with the you know, the internet and lore about this

(03:16):
being a cursed object and she warned him and stuff.
I don't even know if that's legit, like if she
if this dude literally was worn by the Warrens not
to take the doll out or not to move it
or not to touch it, or whatever the case is,
because there's some stuff that's come out Supposedly. I think
the first reports were saying that the doll was in
his hotel room when he died or something like that,

(03:38):
and then now come to find out. The corner of
reports is that the doll wasn't even around him, and
now supposedly they can't find the doll. Yeah, so maybe
the doll ran down, like ran away or something.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, ran down the hallway into someone else's room.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
My knee jerk reaction wants to be like, it's not
possible for in and an object to be cursed or
haunted in a way that can harm.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
People, but a lot of people believe that they can.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
And doing a little bit of research for this podcast,
just looking at the Testament of Solomon and the Key
of Solomon. He supposedly was endowed with this magical ring
you know from I believe it some archangel Michael that
allowed him to bind demonic entities into objects for purposes.

(04:30):
Mostly it seemed like he mostly made them work for him,
not that he was unleashing them to do harm on
other human beings.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
But there is some basis for it.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah. I think the scriptures are full of stories of
cursed objects, but not only cursed objects, but in this
case was archangel Michael and Solomon blessed objects. So if
you believe that an object can be cursed, then you
should believe that an object can be blessed. I remember
talking to and an exorcist friend of mine on a

(05:01):
podcast years ago, and I just used that as a segue,
and he didn't believe that an object could be blessed,
but he loved the idea that an object can be
be cursed. And so, you know in the scriptures, we
see where the apostle Paul, I'm sorry, I think, well, yeah,
Paul had an apron that supposedly his sweat was on,

(05:24):
and he gave his apron to someone and whoever touched
that apron got healed. And so we've seen this like
reproduced and charismatic churches over the years, and people bring
in their handkerchiefs or you know, Benny Hannon, the televangelist,
guys would pray over prayer cloths and they would send

(05:45):
them to people and you could buy them, you could
send in a donation and they would send you a
blessed prayer cloth. So, whether that's a legit thing that's happening,
you know how it happened. Was there an energy mark
that's left with it by the person who held it
that can be measured in some cases healing people because

(06:08):
that's what we see in the scriptures. Yeah, you know,
is that true? I would say yeah, I would say,
you know, everything leaves a trace of energy, whether good
or bad, and people can feel that. And when it
comes to you know, Annabelle or different objects or whatever
that occurs that have been around negative energy, that there's

(06:32):
a trace of it, you know, imprinted in the fabric.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I think it does. Just personally, you know, using
my own intuition. There have been times when objects have
come into our home and for no reason aside from intuition,
and you know, I feel like Christ leading, it's something
something about it feels off and it just like this

(07:00):
item is not there's something off with the energy on
this item and it needs to be cleansed and consecrated
or gotten rid of. Like that's happened to me multiple times.
I can't really explain it.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
But yeah, I mean, I think you're dealing with a
lot of different things because there's like an energetic imprint.
But then also too with some of the stuff like
the la buboos and stuff coming out, like there's also superstition. Yeah,
you know, and so that's the power of belief. How

(07:34):
bad do you believe this? And why do you believe it,
and so it becomes true for you. You know, it's
the power of the mind that something you know, evil
in this case is around you and your family making
you sick or now the devil has access to you,
you know. So it unlocks something in your brain to
be able to create that reality for you, and then

(07:56):
you start seeing it around.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
You or creating it yourself.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah. Yeah, because it's now your truth and nobody can
argue with you, because it's your hell that you're creating.
Because because of this thing. I don't think it makes
you know that statement true that laboboos are demons or
a cursed object, but to you and to your family,
and you know in your reality they are. So there's

(08:22):
that too. So you're dealing with not just you know,
physics and the supernatural, you're dealing with the power of
the mind. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I think a part of it kind of gives you
this little evil place ebo effect almost like you know
in your mind that it's going to create contention and
strife in your home, and so maybe you're not as
bridled with your you know, tongue, Maybe you lash out
at your family a little more, and it gives you

(08:51):
almost like this little permission, this little scapegoat to blame
for the bad things that happen. And sometimes maybe you're
even perpetuating it yourself, just because it's there in the
forefront of your mind all the time. The mind is
so powerful.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, so as we you know, we mentioned let boo
boo and that whole fad. These little creatures, what like
are what are they? You have one? You just got
one yesterday that you're very proud of.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
This is my lea boo boo there. So the the
thing really, it's almost like gambling. They're really hard to get,
Like this company that makes them has done a really
good job of creating scarcity. So even as silly and
cute as it is, like they're they're not super expensive
when you get it from the company, but it's almost
impossible to get one from the company because of scarcity, right,

(09:40):
and uh, it's just so cute. This is a birthday
gift from my daughter for my birthday, and uh, we
had a lot of fun unboxing them together. Paul Paul
walks in on us unboxing them and has a fit
because he heard from a pastor at a church that
they were demonic and we brought demons into the home.

(10:01):
But uh, I mean it's based off of uh Nordic folklore,
fairy tales. They're supposed to be kind of like the
faithfolk of you know, our culture's fairy tales.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
They're mischievous but kind.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
They're forest spirits, that's the lore behind them. They're not evil,
they're you know, just little mischievous but kind, little forest creatures.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
And they're cute. I think he's cute.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
A lot of people think they look really creepy, though,
and they're like, it looks demonic.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
It looks creepy, But I don't know. I think it's cute.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I think it's teeth resemble my teeth.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
He's got a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
That's what they used to say about me in school.
I have three hundred teeth teas on top. I have
rows of teeth like a shark. They caught me sharky.
I look like him. That's why he's cute.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's that is.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
If you think it looks like you, I do think
you're really because it looks like would explain.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, it's so. Somebody made the connection to the Boo
Boo and probably just because of the name Puzzuzu.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Very close right kind of boo boo Puzzuzu.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
And and so there's been memes and and and images
that create people have created with GPT to make a
figure of Puzzuzu that looks like lebooboo a little bit.
They don't like the boos. I mean, Pazuzu is a
legit statue that you can just simply get the you know,

(11:36):
pictures of the statue off the Internet, but they've made
them to kind of, you know, deceive people to look
a little bit more like the boo boo.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
And even the Pazuzu lore, him being a Mesopotamian deity,
a demon damon. They they even invoked then in their
religion and their culture for protection.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
A lot of.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
These things that look scary and you know, intimidating. We
invoke them, well I say we, but I mean people
in general and in other cultures invoke them to protect.
So Pazuzu in the Mesopotamian culture was a demonic entity

(12:24):
that they invoked to protect and scare away a worst demon,
a worse entity that came to actually harm and steal
the lives of pregnant mothers and children. And you see
this continuing through so many other cultures. I know that
when we went to Greece, we saw the pictures in
the Greek Orthodox churches of the serpents, the devils, the

(12:49):
satans of their religion painted on the wall, right, and
then we go and view their robes and their outfit
that the priests would wear, and the crosiers, which is
like the staff, and the staff had the same serpent
beings on it. So we asked our guide, Hey, why

(13:11):
is the same devil, the being that's eating everyone and
taking souls to hell? Why is it on the priest's staff?
And she straight up told us it's for protection. I
tried looking it up on the internet, and I didn't
find a lot of things that would say that. But
this person who grew up in the culture, whose family

(13:31):
lineage goes far back into the culture, that is the
purpose of it is for protection, to scare away the
worst demons.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, and that's one thing that I thought was cool,
even though like they're trying to misrepresent Pazuzu, which is
what's happened through television, through horror movies, and Pazuzu got big.
I guess in America, at least we know the name
from the movie The Exorcist, and so that was supposedly
the demon that was possessing the the you know, the

(14:04):
girl in the movie or whatever, and that was a
misrepresentation because Puzuzu's a protector spirit in Mesopotamia and in Babylon,
like you said, it was a talisman or a terriffin something.
It was a household statue idol that you would put

(14:25):
in the window, in a hallway or in a doorway
or outside to protect the home. And so we see
we see this in early Christian architecture. We see this
with the gargoyles that are all over all of the
ancient churches, all of the earliest architecture, they would have
a gargle or some type of guardian angel that you know,

(14:48):
would look look kind of scary, and it goes to
what you said that, you know, the idea is to
have a scarier guardian than the scariest demon that could
come to want you or to try to mess with
you in the middle of the night, that these these
beings would would protect and watch over the home.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
So I like the fact that it's you know, people
who who are actually doing research versus just grabbing memes
and repeating with what everybody else is saying. There's a
lot of that, But the people who are actually doing
the research they can. It doesn't take but a you know,
a couple you know, Google searches to look up and
you'll see that Pazuzu wasn't a malevolent force. It was

(15:30):
actually a good guy, if you will.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's just so hard now in the age of the Internet,
with all the memes and everything being in front of
you all day, it's so easy to fall into the
trap of believing what you see on the screen without
having to research it yourself. But even chat gpt lies
about so much. I think it's so important that we
do our own research with actual texts and books. And

(15:54):
I've fallen victim to it obviously.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
On our Zoom call with the.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Jeopardy I try to ask chat jibe to help me
make Jeopardy questions and it always throws some kind of
weird little lie in there, and I always get busted. Yeah,
but yeah, you got to do your own research.

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You can't trust these internet screens.

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Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, doing my little study, I learned a new word
and it's apotropaic. Apotropaic is a Greek word, a word
of Greek origin, and it's apotrophic. Magic is using objects
to infuse them with purposes for divine protection, and that

(22:40):
was It's used to describe lots of things, but in
the scriptures, it's used to talk about the Passover when
they use the blood on the doorpost as a sigil
as a sign of protection. It's used in the Catholic
Church with the Holy water. It's used in well, you
see it in exercise. I've never attended like a real

(23:02):
like exorcism from the Catholic Church, but they say they
use the cross of the Cross, and even like the
bronze serpent. When Moses has the bronze serpent and all
the the people are being attacked by vipers, he puts
this bronze serpent pull up and that becomes an object

(23:24):
of protection and healing, and when people gaze upon it,
they're healed, magically healed. I say magic a lot, but
really magic to me is is spirituality.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
And what do you mean magically healed? I don't mean
black using magic to heal people.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Everything is magic. It is breath is magic.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I was reading one of those ancient texts the other
I forgot which one it was. I think I was
translating it from another language or something. And every like
every other sentence said through the power of God, because
like we from our standpoint, like we can say it.
You think you can say it once and it's good,

(24:08):
you know. And when we say you know, we talk
about healing. Whether it's plants that heal you, whether it's
the sunlight that heals you, whether it's fasting, whether it's
the breath that heals you. All of that is through
the power of God and our belief system and our
faith and the way we speak. That's what it is.
It would sound redundant to have to continually repeat ourselves

(24:31):
every time we mentioned a different modality to say that,
you know, when you breathe through the power of God,
you are able to heal, and then when you look
at the sun, it is only through the power of God.
But it was there was a text that it literally
like it was saying it so much. But now that
I you know, have dealt with the public on YouTube, Yeah,

(24:52):
you can see why, like people insinuate if you don't
say it, that you're insinuating that it's not with the
power of God by some other mystical means. But those
mystical means are truly the power of God.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I probably say a lot of things that could get
me in trouble, but just because you know me, and
you know I don't mean anything dark when I say magic,
like I really.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Mean you know, we're trying to demystify those words anyway. Yeah,
you know, like you saw that you there was a
what was that book from the eighties that was or
early nineties that was demonizing everything like part of the
saantic panic satanic ary oile.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
In the toy box.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah that came from a YouTube comment so or maybe Facebook.
But if that was you, thank you because I want
to get that book now, just because I got to
see what this guy's argument is. He argued against everything
that children could possibly like, like every cartoon, every.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Everything.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
My Little Ponies they had, they said they were unicorns,
and the unicorn is the you know, the Bible talks
about the great horn and the little horn that would
come forth in the Christ that would raise up, you know,
And so don't watch My Little Ponies because they link
back to unicorns, and the unicorns are demonic. And there's
a whole thing. And if you say, if you have

(26:11):
somebody in church who is either a snake or salesman
or because that's what most of them guys are, they
have a book that goes with it and a whole thing,
and or they're just real charismatic or speak with authority
wearing a suit. They automatically got your trust in the
church and you just believe everything that they're saying. And

(26:32):
most of that stuff doesn't have to make sense. They don't,
they don't have understanding, and to them, everything the faults
to evil, nothing the faults to good. If you know,
we demonize what we don't understand, especially in the Church,
and so I just I don't like the fact that
everything the faults to evil regarding Little Horn, like we're

(26:56):
talking about the little Horn and the anti Christ all
this stuff, Like what about Cornelia sit in the Bible
Acts chapter ten, Like the name Cornelius means little horn
in the Greek. So can we can we dive into that?
Like would you you know? Would you was he was? He? Was?
He the anti Christ? Because that's what his name means,
and you probably have no idea. I find it interesting.

(27:20):
I see a correlation there, but you see the correlation
with my little pony. You know what we can't do?
How about never never read that again? How about you
know what I'm saying, like like what would you what
would you do?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Like I think it comes from a place of control
and wanting to control people and to show people not
to trust themselves, because it's like, I mean, we we
were big in the church when the pokemon and Harry
Potter stuff was being demonized in the church, fucking monsters

(27:55):
and they make up the weirdest stuff. Why not to
allow these things into your home. So then these trusting
church going people are just they are mortified that they've
allowed this demonic stuff coming into their home. So they
go home, they turn their tables over, they throw away
all their kids Pokemon stuff, stuff that brings out the

(28:17):
childlike all and wonder and joy. I mean, these are games,
they're cute little I mean, they're cute little things that
make kids happy. They're they're dolls, they're toys, and so
they're throwing this stuff out, creating, you know, rifts in
the family. And I just I think that we can
trust ourselves if we have our own relationship with God

(28:40):
that we like I said, there have been things come
into the home before that I felt were not right
that I didn't allow into the home.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Pokemon wasn't one of them.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
But I think that you can trust yourself if you're
in a relationship with God and Jesus Christ and you're
in communion with them and you feel it when something
truly evil comes along, you don't need somebody to tell you.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah. Again, I think that's what the problem is with
with people. If you've heard those sermons or seen those videos,
it's like, you know, the comments we get from people
who say I knew there was something up with it,
and that made me, you know, I felt, you know,
wrong the whole time, Like which came first though? Did
the video come first or did your feeling come first?

(29:25):
And I would say, you know, to see if you
were influenced by something somebody told you, some preacher, you know,
because I was just you know, there were certain preachers
that the people i'm you know, used to be friends
with or whatever, who were big YouTubers who pushed this
fear in hysteria. And I kept going, I kept typing

(29:46):
in their name in Labuobo and I was waiting on
them to do a video. And I just typed it
in again yesterday and found it. I was like, oh,
finally I knew you were going to jump on the
bandwagon to say that it was evil. You didn't have
to wait long to scare people. Yeah, I knew it
was coming. I was kind of like impressed though that
it didn't do it. I was like, oh, man, there's

(30:08):
there's hope yet that he's not playing off of people's
fears and getting money out of people off of their fears. Man,
this is maybe he's maturing. I'm not going to say
his name, but I mean, just insert anybody's just google it.
You'll see tons of you know, pastors and you know,
getting clicks off of that. And but no, we saw
I saw the video yesterday. I was like, oh man,

(30:29):
I knew he was gonna do it. That sucks. Yeah,
And it was just people who would doing there like everything.
You can't enjoy anything, right exactly. Misery loves company.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
So yeah, it's so sad. If you see a little
kid in public with a ltle buoboo or a plushy
or a doll or something, just tell them you like it,
and watch how their face lights up because they see
something in common and a stranger was kind to them,
you know, like, yeah, we need more of that joy
and that that kind of magic, yeah, than the dark
kind of which is what all the other fear mongering

(31:02):
and the control systems and all that is black magic
to me?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Ain't it weird what we talked about like when we
were you know, Satanists or into like dark witchcraft stuff
when we were younger, and people would compliment us like
it was it was rare. But every now and then,
even at church we would go we would wear like
Marilyn Manson and Satanic shirts to church to get a
rise out of people, and then somebody would say, hey,

(31:26):
I like your shirt, like some Christian woman, Hey, I
like your shirt. You guys got awesome style. I love
it and the Lord loves it too. We would do
it to get a rise out of people because we
knew that the rise was a negative rise. But when
somebody would like kind of see us and see our
creativity or something and speak a kind positive word and
actually see you and see past the veil of like

(31:48):
your facade that you're pushing out, it went like we
remember that to this day. You know, I forget how
many people told me you're going to hell and you
can't wear that shirt in church and all this kind
of stuff. But the people who you know, God used
to speak a kind word over you, you know, and
say a compliment. You remember that stuff, And that was

(32:10):
a long time ago, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, I mean just to go back and say, what
would Jesus do?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
You know?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
He wasn't.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
He never told anyone they were going to hell.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Never.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
It's not in the Bible at least I couldn't find it.
He did tell people, you know, you'll be judged for
your actions and that kind of thing. But we're all
judged by for our actions every day. We die daily
and are judged daily, and we try to transcend that
and do better. But Jesus always It's like the proverb,

(32:44):
I hope I don't mess it up. But is it
a kind word turns away wrath?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
That is that it?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I'll look it up to make sure. But a
kind word is so much more powerful than all of
these waves of anger and destruction, and then judgment.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Kind word goes so much farther.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Mm hmm. What do you have next for us?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Let's see.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
What's up? We do see everybody in the chat. What's up, guys?
See I think it's uh, it says Jeremy Cobb, Family
of God, Sam Kelly. What's up, guys? Was that it
pretty much touched on cursed objects, blessed objects. There was

(33:47):
a cool story when it comes to like icons and
paintings and stuff like that, just images, right, which which
that word translates biblically to idle. It just is what
it is. It doesn't mean that it's bad. An idol
is not bad. It's like, what kind of idol? Why?

(34:09):
Why is it erected? What? What does it? Uh, what
does it? Evoking the people? And there's a story where
I believe it's Jesus had a handkerchief that somebody gave
him to wipe his sweat, and it left an imprint

(34:31):
of his face in the handkerchief. This is now, this
is story, right, And Jude took it and Jesus told
him to bring it to the king. I don't know
of what which country you can in fact check me
on this story, but Jesus told him that he would

(34:55):
visit him to heal him or heal his son or
something like that. But he wasn't able to make it
because he was going to the cross. So he wipes
the sweat and he gives it the Jude on the
rag and he says, hey, take this to the king,
and when he sees it, he's going to be healed.
And the story goes on to say, as he goes
and makes us journey, and as soon as he shows

(35:17):
the king even the image of Christ that's on this handkerchief,
that he gets healed. So you know, there's another story.
It's legend, it's lore, but it's like a like a
shroud or something like the shroud of Turin you know,
it's obviously some type of blessed relic, you know, whether

(35:39):
they believe it's real or not. Many people believe it's real.
It gives them hope when they look at it, They
cry when they look at it, right, and it evokes emotion
within them. So there's so many stories of this happening.
And you know, in the Catholic Church that's one of
the things they uses, or they call it a blessed object,

(36:03):
but a holy relic. It's something that a holy Man
possessed or had that a little bit of his spiritual
and healing resnue is embedded in said item, and it's transferable.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, there's so many of them in every culture. And
then the Catholics also, not the Catholics, the Jews, they
have that the mezusa on the door post is like
a little amulet of protection on the doorposts of the home.
And really that protection, I feel like kind of comes

(36:37):
from just what's inside of it and being reminded of
the Scripture.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Like we were talking earlier about the power of the mind.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
So I wonder like, do these objects really put out
that kind of a frequency or does it activate something
in your mind in your own faith that causes the
healing response and the protective response.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Or vice versa. Maybe it's something in the the physical
that ignites something in you and then your mind is
the one and your energy is charging it to where
maybe it can be measured on some type of EMF reader,
you know, being able to measure some type of energy
coming from it that now other people can measure it

(37:19):
just because you believe it. Yeah, maybe it works both ways.
Maybe when you leave in your you know, you're not
next to it, it's not there, but when you get
close to it, there's something that there's this resonance that happens.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, that's a theory about like the vortex energy kind
of like the energy that's at Shasta in Sedona, is
that so many people pilgrimage there for a spiritual experience
with these good intentions and these high positive frequencies carrying
these frequencies that it infuses that area. So it's not necessary,

(37:53):
Like a theory is that it's not necessarily the spot. Yeah,
it's the intentions and the faith and the frequency of
the people who are pilgrimaging to that spot that cause
it to be such like a hotbed of spiritual energy
that like you bring your expectation and your faith and
the land responds to it. That's a fun one to

(38:15):
think about. Yeah, the chicken or the egg, you know.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yep, before we go, let's talk about our upcoming retreat.
As you know, we have. We've been selling tickets, people
have been finding out one way or the other. We've
got some promo stuff out on Facebook and all that.
A cool video we put together. But we have an
upcoming retreat October the second through the I'm sorry, fifth
through the seventh.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Right second through the fifth, second through the fifth.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
So it's going to be a Thursday evening through a
Sunday rising or about midday Sunday will break. But yeah,
we're gonna come together and do some teachings and some
prophetic training, some sound immersions, sound baths. Concert, got to practice.

(39:06):
I gotta practice. I'm a little rusty on my concert skills.
But we're gonna do a concert some Truth Seek originals
and our songs that we do together. We're gonna be
visiting the sacred stones that Bill Walker has on his property.
It's just an amazing spot. One of these vortech spots

(39:28):
that we've talked about and not necessarily this one spot.
It's the intention and the setting and the faith that
went into it, and the land just responds. When you
honored the earth in the land, it responds. And so
we're going to all come together and honor it together
and see what kind of frequency we can create.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
And it's going to be beautiful. I'm really excited looking
forward to it.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
And we're already selling a good bit of tickets, so
that's exciting that we're going to have so many people
with us.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, yep. And if you want to get tickets. One
more information on it, go to www dot c dot
school or truth ceci dot com. You can check it
out there. If you haven't had a chance to check
out the meditations. Other meditations are available on the website
as well. Aaron's new meditation is up at sr dot school.

(40:19):
You guys, go check that out. She did a really
good job on her first meditation. Super proud of her.
So if you haven't had a chance to listen, it
deals with self worth and healing and what other manifestation manifestation.
She did a really good job. Make sure y'all go
check it out.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
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Speaker 3 (40:58):
I love it, you'll love it. Check it out out
magic Mind. With that, when we say peace and shalom, guys,
thanks for hanging out with us.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
It's been a fun talk, been interesting, so thank you again.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
We love you. Peace. Peace,

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