Just How Smart Is Your Dog Or Cat? - Foul Play At Westminster - The Animal Radio® Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Celebrating our connection with our pets. This is Animal Radio.
Here are your hosts, Hal Abrams and Judy Francis.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Let us not forget our wonderful dream team. Doctor Debbie
entering your medical question. She is live today from a
super secret hidden location researching smells. I believe dog trainer
Alan Cable is here, dog father Joey Vallani and animal
communicator Joy Turner. And of course we have Stacy Cohen
in the newsroom.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, you've heard of the dog whisper. There's the horse whisper.
Guess what There was going to be a TV show
about a walrus whisper.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yes, you heard me right, Walris.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
And apparently the trainer was trying to steal the walrus,
at least allegedly. Anyway, when they decided to cancel the
show and not do it, you got a little upset
with marine land in Canada. I'll tell you about the story.
Kind of hard to walk out with a walrus a
little bit noticing, right, where do you hide to walrus?
I mean, you know, it's like, how do you keep

(00:59):
it quiet? How do you keep there's so many questions
about those animals.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Wow, I'll tell you the story. It's coming up on
Animal Radio News.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
I do a good wall wurst, don't you really do?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Can you do it again? Just one more time for
us ladies and gentlemen, the very talented Stacey Cone right
here on Animal Radio Joey Mlani, you're talking about cigarette
smoke today. This is kind of an interesting topic. What
do you got on board?

Speaker 6 (01:24):
I had an old poodle that came in this week
and the biggest problem was it smelled like they actually
smoked the dog and not the cigarettes. I mean, the
dogs smelled like cigarette smoked so bad. And it was
actually the family of the of the woman that owned
the dog that that requested, you know, what can we
do to get rid of this nicotine smaw on you?

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Pat?

Speaker 6 (01:44):
So we're gonna talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
That very good. That's on the way right here. And
I also see that there was an alleged poisoning at Westminster.
We had talked about this a couple of weeks back,
and we're gonna find out a little more about that
coming up to on today show. Let's go to Videen.
Is it Videen? Am I pronouncing that right?

Speaker 7 (02:03):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
And you guys absolutely splendid.

Speaker 7 (02:10):
You know, we were talking to somebody was a eating location.
I think that's what I need from my dog.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh yeah, what's going on with your dog?

Speaker 7 (02:17):
Well, it's a little pocket two months old something. It's
a beautiful dog here, but he is he's so booy
and so strong, chewing my feet to my legs. I mean,
it's like everything I have. You know, the guy is small, but.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Hey, does he have a Does he have a lot
of toys?

Speaker 7 (02:38):
He got plenty of person I think he likes my
hands and the toys.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
He likes your hands and feet.

Speaker 8 (02:43):
Yeah, he's he's teething, you know, when they're little like that,
they teeth just like little babies, human babies. They're they're
losing their little baby dog teeth and so they're they're
they're trying to alleviate that pain. But they also love
to chew on just about everything. Puppies love to chew
on stuff. And it's kind of like you have to
be a teacher now, and that's the fun part of

(03:04):
having a puppy. A lot of folks when they go
to get a puppy, they don't realize that you are
the puppies guide mentor, teacher and also the puppies leader.
And it's up to you to in a positive way
teach a puppy.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
What is right and what is wrong.

Speaker 8 (03:17):
And it takes a lot of work and a lot
of repetition. And also the biggest help to every person
is to remember that it all starts.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
At the leash.

Speaker 8 (03:25):
Taking your puppy for long, half hour walks, really really
stressful walks to where he can get a lot of
energy out. When you get back from that walk, and
you're determined when you're ready to show the puppy attention.
As soon as he goes to chew on your hand
or your foot, you give him us a gentle correction.
It could just be a sound just to redirect his mind,

(03:45):
you know, a sound like or hey, hey, and he'll
stop for a second.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
What he just the more I do it, the more
he's chewing.

Speaker 8 (03:57):
Well, then you know what you gotta do, buddy. You
gotta don't show him any tension at all when he
does that. When he comes for you, just get up
quickly and walk away. Turn your back on him and
walk away, and he's going to be confused for a while.
And also the other important thing to remember because he
is a puppy. Is that whenever he's doing something you like,

(04:17):
notice it and praise him for it. So in other words,
if he's sitting there all by himself, still, you praise
him for it and you tell him what a good
dog is. Another thing to be aware of is to
try to notice the times of days, the times of
the day he's most active. Like let's say there's a
specific time each day when he really goes nuts chewing
on stuff. That's when you get ready to stimulate him

(04:38):
with treats and praise and toys. And that's when you
really want to take him for a walk too, to
tire him out, because there will be certain times of
the day where he really wants to go at it,
you know.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
But it's real normal.

Speaker 8 (04:50):
The other thing so he doesn't get bored with his
toys is to rotate his toys, introduce him, take them away,
put new ones in the game so they doesn't get
bored with the same toys over and over. But understand,
this is gonna take some time. It's gonna take you
like three four months to teach him that, hey, you
can't chew this, you can chew that. You gotta be patient.
Consistent and praise him when he's doing the right thing.

(05:14):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 7 (05:15):
Yes, it does, Fingers. He's with my wife all the long.
Can I come from walk to night?

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Well, she's gonna have to. She's gonna have to learn
to do.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
Well he's the day he sleeps, I know, a little
bit when he is.

Speaker 9 (05:32):
Yah.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
See that's that's awesome that he sleeps.

Speaker 8 (05:35):
If she can take him out right after he wakes up,
if she can just put a leash on him and
take him for a nice, big long walk to tire
him out, he's gonna chew a little bit less.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Again.

Speaker 8 (05:45):
He is teething, so I mean he's gonna be you know,
and and he is learning.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
About the world too. So you know, the more.

Speaker 8 (05:52):
That you can stick things in his mouth that he's
allowed to chew and praise him for chewing those things
and give him a treat, Uh, the quicker he's gonna learn.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
And you all have to do that, you and your wife.

Speaker 7 (06:02):
I can't show him but a lot of times getting
too bully, too bully. You know he's stoody five punds already.

Speaker 8 (06:13):
Well, you know the other thing you can do is
when he when he gets a little bit rambunctious like
that is, to put him in his crate until he
mellows out. When he mellows out, you tell him he's
a good dog, and then you let him out again.
So each time he gets a little bit too wound up,
he goes in his crate, he goes in his kennel,
and he'll start to figure out, Hey, if I want
to be outside of my kennel with my pack, well

(06:34):
then I've got to be a good mellow boy.

Speaker 10 (06:36):
I wanted just to mention that, not to have him
kind of kind of ruin his own training, you know how,
Like a lot of guys do this where they grab
their puppy and they go and they grab their it
on the heads.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
That's the wrong thing to do, absolutely, that is the
that's the wrong thing to do, because what you're doing
is you're getting the puppy rebbed up even more and
you're not teaching him anything. You're just getting him more
excited and more attic control. So that's a great point.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
Dev That's okay, thank you march.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Hey Vadine, where are you from? Are you from Russia?

Speaker 7 (07:07):
Geuse the woman the Russians are comed here.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
I got to ask.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
You I think I kind of figured that you must
know some good hangover cures because I'm looking I had
a little too much wine last night. Pickles, really, I'll
give that.

Speaker 11 (07:31):
Pickle juice.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Pickle juice and oysters are the recommendations so far. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna have a great lunch.

Speaker 12 (07:37):
Er.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Thank you for calling d and we appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (07:41):
Was that the point you were making, Dev. I'm sorry
I interrupted you, but that's a great yeah.

Speaker 10 (07:45):
Know, just just how people always kind of go are
rough in the rough house with your dog and you know.

Speaker 8 (07:50):
Oh yeah, and then they and then they want to
turn them off, like and then they want to turn
them off like it's like it's a toy or something,
you know, get them all rabbed up and then okay
enough stop.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah people do that all the time. It tries me crazy.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
I was telling the story a couple of weeks ago,
there's a guy in the park doing.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
That to my dog. Can I pet your dog?

Speaker 8 (08:05):
I'm like sure, And he started doing that to my dog,
and of course my dog. You know, there's there's different personalities.
Like I was telling uh before, I was talking about
dogs that like to get along and they're they're kind
of like you call them like fixers or get along
with hers. And then there's independent thinker dogs, powerful dogs,
powerful breeds. And my dog's a powerful breed, and you
know he wants to climb all over this guy and

(08:27):
take him down.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
And I'm like, dude, you can't do that.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
You know.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
There you gon comments.

Speaker 13 (08:41):
Hey, welcome back to another edition of the Party Animal
on Animal Radio.

Speaker 14 (08:46):
I'm your host, Vinnie Penn.

Speaker 13 (08:47):
I got three words for you, three words I don't
want to say, but it's something I don't dig ping
on snowman.

Speaker 14 (08:55):
Now, you gotta let your dog out. We got all
sorts of things have changed so much.

Speaker 13 (09:00):
You gotta follow the dog around with the pooper scooper
and whatnot. And of course the dog aims right for
the fire hydrant, we all know that. But if I
see one more lightning yellow streak across the snowman that
some adorable little children put together with their own tiny
little hands, is it beyond you dog owner to shout

(09:21):
at Thor or Monarch or Lucky or Rover, for God's sake,
to say, oh, go scoot, scoot away from the snowman.
Don't let your dog pee on the snowman. Children made it.
Some of the p inevitably gets on that scarf. That
scarf doesn't get washed. Next thing, you know, daddy's wearing
that scarf to work and it's got dog urine all

(09:43):
over it. Quite frankly, you see the dog heading for
the snowman. Teach the dog paw, roll over respect, Frosty.

Speaker 14 (09:52):
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Speaker 8 (09:57):
All right, it's all on cable with today's dog tip.

Speaker 15 (10:00):
You know he just did it because you can steal
the tension.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
That's my sister in law.

Speaker 8 (10:03):
She's living in the house with her in laws and
there is a lot of anxiety and tension going on.
So the dog jumped up on the in law's bed
and went.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
To the bathroom to help them to clean it.

Speaker 8 (10:13):
There are several reasons why dogs, especially adult ones, go
to the bathroom in the house in anxiety. Well, that's
one of them, and it can be caused by a
sudden change in a dog's environment. Adding another pet to
your house is another reason, even a baby. And to
stop it, you kind of got to give your dog
a refresher course. Do it the same way as when
your dog was a puppy. You start with confinement. That means,
when you're not there ready to give your dog one

(10:34):
hundred percent of your attention, keep them confined. Best place
is in a crate. I remember in a past dog
tip we talked about how important structure is to your dog.
So you make sure you have a schedule. You take
your dog outside the same times every day. Adults can
hold it in for a pretty long time, so set
a schedule and stick to it every single day. The
third step is reward. Reward's really important in a dog's life.

(10:56):
Every time your dog's doing something that you want him
to do, you give him a reward. If this is
all starting to sound like techniques you'd use to raise
your husband, well yeah, it is very similar.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Let's talk about what a reward is.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
It could be a treat, or it just could be
verbal praise, Oh good dog, or both. And you can
also give your dog a nice scratch under the chin.
Praise is a really powerful tool. Remember, your dog wants
to please you. You just have to help show him how.
When you use praise, your dog is gonna want to
go to the bathroom outside in the right place. Here's
the last thing to remember, consistency. That's probably the most

(11:29):
important thing to remember. You want to set your dog
up to succeed, not to fail, and consistency is the
easiest way to do that. It's the key to your
dog's success, and it's a byproduct to giving your dog confidence,
confidence in knowing he's doing the right thing. He's doing
exactly what you want him to do. So be consistent,
stick with your plan, and you're gonna see fast results.
The more consistent you are, the faster your dog's gonna

(11:51):
learn anything, including going to the bathroom outside. Oh boy,
I think your husband had a little accident.

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Speaker 17 (13:00):
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Speaker 2 (13:08):
From the Dream Team, Animal cre To Gator, Joey Turner,
dog father Joey Vaalani, dog trainer Alan Cable, and Doctor
Debbie from a super secret hidden location this week. So secret.
I don't even think she knows. Do you know where
you are? Doctor Debbie?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Government work.

Speaker 10 (13:23):
I'm kind of lost. All I know is I have
my dogs on my side and everything is.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Good, okay? And are you not going to tell us?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
No?

Speaker 7 (13:29):
She is?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think you're doing research on smells. Aren't you some
kind of research conference on smells?

Speaker 10 (13:36):
You know, I'm into getting back to nature and kind
of turning off the electronics. So oh, that's That's what
I'm gonna say. And you know, my thirteen year old
dog is. We're treating her with cancer, so we're just
getting her out and letting her enjoy the outdoors.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
That well, I'm going to go try and find I'm
going to go try to find doctor Debbie with my satellite.

Speaker 12 (14:00):
Where in the world is doctor Debbie.

Speaker 8 (14:02):
That's a good game. Where in the world is Doctor Debbie?
And somebody should win a prize for figuring it out.

Speaker 12 (14:07):
He still wants to know where the heck I am?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
We all want to know inquiring mine wants to know.
And while we're all pondering where doctor Debbie.

Speaker 11 (14:15):
Is, maybe we should go to line one.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Is that Corey? Hey, Corey, how are you hi?

Speaker 15 (14:21):
I'm fine? Is this Animal Planet?

Speaker 2 (14:24):
This is Animal Radio?

Speaker 15 (14:26):
Oh I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, Actually, there is no competitor because we're better. We
actually took over an Animal Planets Radio back in two
thousand and five, so it's all one big thing. Now
he has one happy family.

Speaker 15 (14:41):
That wonderful.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I understand. You want to talk to doctor Debbie. What's
going on with your animal?

Speaker 15 (14:46):
Well, she's about eight months now and she's been endures
her whole life. She's never been outside.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Is this a dog or a cat?

Speaker 7 (14:58):
A cat?

Speaker 15 (14:59):
Okay, And she lives with two dogs, and they're all
friendly and they all want the Cappy family. But she
recently was whimpering and standing up near the window and
looking out. I was told by her caregiver she doesn't
live with me anymore. Okay, this is very anxiety producing

(15:22):
for me. Of course, she can't understand because I have
a separation anxiety from her. But she's getting along. Okay,
It's just that my question is does she need grass?

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (15:35):
What a good question is she having? You know, if
she's having any kind of digestive problems.

Speaker 15 (15:41):
She was going to the bathroom very much.

Speaker 12 (15:44):
Okay. Well, you know, I think we got maybe a
couple different points here. I would want to bring up. Corey.
One is in answer your question does she need grass?
Maybe we do.

Speaker 10 (15:54):
You know that cats, like wildcats, you know, majority of
what they eat is routine, it's meat based food, but
occasionally they'll ingest some plant matter and being gross here
for a little bit. You know, if you look at
cats in the wild, they might be eating grass in the.

Speaker 12 (16:12):
Digestive tract of their prey.

Speaker 10 (16:13):
So you know, there's some thought that this kind of fiber,
the grass, it's not digestible, so it kind of passes
through and it can actually help with their digestive trap,
making nice good stool volume, moving things through. And on
the occasion they'll eat grass and it'll you know, help
them to clear something from their body that they might
have eaten. Say in the wild, it might be feathers

(16:33):
and might be bones, things like that that they're not
going to be able to pass through. And in the
housecat fur balls. So yeah, that is one indication for now.
Does every cat eat grass?

Speaker 12 (16:44):
Probably not.

Speaker 10 (16:45):
Can it enrich there an indoor environment, absolutely, so you know,
cat grass, which is usually oat grass or similar types
of grasses you can grow indoors and it's you know,
something for them to do. Also kind of helps to
redirect them away from house plants because that could be
very dangerous if cats start chewing and ingesting house plants.

Speaker 15 (17:06):
Oh, I never thought about that.

Speaker 10 (17:08):
So yeah, so grass can be a great thing. Now,
it sounds like you are a bit concerned about her
indoor cat lifestyle and that she might be longingly look
out the window like she's missing out on something.

Speaker 15 (17:19):
Yeah, because these are two animals in the house are
both dogs, and they get walked twice and thrice a day,
and of course my significant other gets to go out
of the house as well. You see, I fear that
she's the only one that doesn't feel special enough to

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go outside.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Well, there's a.

Speaker 10 (17:42):
Couple kind of solutions in how we can help to
ensure that she's feeling good about her environment. There's by far,
an indoor cat has a much healthier, longer lifespan than
a cat that frequents outdoors, so I would not feel
guilty about that. That is keeping her safe and sound.
But we can definite improve the indoor environment by giving
her things to do inside the house, things to explore,

(18:05):
something as simple as paper bags, cardboard boxes with little pieces.

Speaker 12 (18:09):
Cut out so she can go inside and explore. You
can get cat.

Speaker 10 (18:13):
Trees and window perches and things like that as well,
but really looking for things that kind of she can investigate,
maybe get away from the dogs on the occasional time
she finds her doggy brother and sister, you know, maybe
a little annoying they are and to her.

Speaker 15 (18:28):
They really do. They hound her sometimes and she has
to find little secret hiding places exactly, So those too long.
I just wanted to ask one quick question. My act
has a harness and a leash.

Speaker 12 (18:43):
I was just getting to that. Yes, that's a great
idea now for the right cat.

Speaker 10 (18:47):
Not every cat's gonna dig this, but if she's especially
a food motivated cat, this.

Speaker 12 (18:52):
Is something you can work up to.

Speaker 10 (18:53):
She might I wouldn't take her out with the dogs
at first, but if she's comfortable with having a harness
on her and with a leash, you practice this in
the house, motivating her with treats and affection, and then
you can actually get her comfortable to walking on a leash.
And a lot of really outgoing casts that raise around
dogs can do really well with us, and then you
can maybe eventually take her out for some walks with

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the dogs. I have a guy in my neighborhood that
walks his cat down at the park, and my only
beef is that he doesn't have it on the leash,
but the cat does follow him right behind him.

Speaker 12 (19:24):
So that might be something you can see if they
can work with her on that.

Speaker 15 (19:29):
And oh, hey, I'm going to relay all this information
to him right as we hang up. And I really
appreciate your doctor, Debbie.

Speaker 12 (19:38):
Doctor Debbie, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (19:39):
Oh, thank you so much. After okay, and we can
appreciate your advice and your knowledge.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
We appreciate you listening. It's always great to have brand
new listeners here at Animal Radio. You know everything and
you where she was going. Color me impressed. I certainly
am so well cool.

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Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm Stacey Cohen for Animal Radio. Well, the US territory
of Guam is going to extremes. They're trying to get
rid of a bunch of snakes and invasive species of snakes.
The island nations planning to air drop poison lace mice
in an effort to eradicate the brown tree snake. Apparently
these reptiles were accidentally carried to Guam by US military
ships during World War Two. The snakes found paradise at

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the island because there they have no natural predators. Since then,
the serpents have become a pest and it's pretty much
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The US Department of Agriculture is going to drop dead
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the active ingredient in tailano. It apparently is poisonous to
the brown tree snake. So the air drop's going to
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because of the dense vegetation that surrounds it. I can
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metaphit in it. Ever, wonder how the word krabby got started?
Of course not, but I'm going to tell you this
is what I think happened. It turns out that noises
from ships could be unsettling to crabs. According to fiz
dot org, a group of scientists from two British universities
set out to test the effect of ship noise on crustaceans,
and they publish their results in the journal Biology Letters.

(22:30):
The teams from the universities of Bristol and Exeter played
recordings of ship engines to a group of crabs and
found that the critters had an increase in their metabolic rate.
The raised rate indicates that the crabs had an elevated
level of stress. Apparently, the added stress could have a
dramatic effect on the animal's growth and result in a

(22:51):
smaller sized crab. So this is so, I think this
is how krabby got started. Doctor Steve Simpson, he's from
the University of Exeter, says the results could have implications
for fisheries in noisy areas. He explains it because noise
could stifle the crab's growth. Quieter farms maybe more profitable. Say,
and you're cranky, you just can't grow. One man in

(23:12):
England found a small treasure in his odd breakfast choice
ready for this, According to the British magazine The Mirror,
James Humphries picked up a pair of fresh oysters for breakfast.
That's what everybody swallows in the morning. First thing. Anyway,
he found a pearl inside of one. Humphreys had just
slurped up the mollusk when he felt a lump in
his mouth. He admits at first he thought a filling
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(23:34):
discovered it was a pearl. He says. The pearl is
small but perfectly formed. Apparently. Humphrey stopped by his local
fishmonger every Saturday buys two oysters to nurse his hangover.
He says, the moluks are the perfect hangover cure. Yeah,
because you're not You don't want to puke from your
alcohol anymore, you can puke from fish. Meanwhile, Humphrey's fishmonger

(23:56):
Gareth Horner is astounded that one of his customers found
a pearl in his oyster. He says he's been at
the job for thirty years He's never seen a pearl
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Speaker 2 (25:08):
Listen, if you want to get in touch with the
dream team here and we'll talk about your smart animals,
and you can tell us how your animals are the
smartest animals of anybody's animals. Because we all believe that
our animals are very, very smart. They do things that
amaze us. Especially our dogs. They know it seems like
before we take them for a w A l K
that we're going to take them for a wl. See

(25:28):
she even she doesn't she yes, gosh, lady bugger studio
stunt dog. Just the smartest animal. What about earthworms? Think
of them as being kind of smart?

Speaker 11 (25:39):
I've never really thought about them.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
They can make decisions, really, yes, they can. We know
dolphins are smart, they're self aware. Rats love to be tickled.
This is a little fact that I just found out
in a book called Animal Wise. So if you have
a rat, you'll want to tickle that rat. The book
is called animal Wise. The Thoughts and Emotions of our
fellow creatures in the awe or Virginia Morale is joining us. Hi,

(26:02):
how are you doing?

Speaker 21 (26:03):
I'm doing great. It's a pleasure to be with you
have fun.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
So tell us about some of these smart animals and
the ones especially that we just don't think are smart.
I've always thought that dogs know the entire English language
and they're just smarter than humans and opt not to
speak to us.

Speaker 21 (26:19):
Well, it certainly seems that way at time. They are
very very adept at reading our faces and taking all
kinds of emotional cues from that, and so yes, they
can certainly not only look at our faces, but from
our body language figure out that, yes, we plan to
take them for a w alk.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
What about the animals, like I guess these aren't animals
but earthworms, which are.

Speaker 21 (26:42):
What earthworms are? Animals?

Speaker 12 (26:44):
Yes?

Speaker 21 (26:44):
Are they are an invertebrate? That they certainly are animals.
And this was a very interesting test that Charles Darwin
developed back in the eighteen seventies, and he decided to
challenge these earthworms and he gave them various matureials to
use to block their tunnels, you know, their air holes,
and they would come up out of their hole and

(27:06):
with their feeling end of the worm and just touch those.
And they were very selective about what they wanted. Really, yes,
and they he said it was very clear, and he
documented which materials they wanted and which materials they didn't want.
And they said that they were obviously making judgments and decisions,
and that nothing had surprised him more than the discovery

(27:26):
of some kind of intelligence in earthworms.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yes, that's and I'll think about that next time I
see an earthworm. Yeah, trying to consider that.

Speaker 12 (27:34):
No, it's true.

Speaker 21 (27:35):
I mean, what's one of the fascinating things to me
is that even bacteria, all animals learn, and that includes
bacteria they can learn too. They can learn to go
to this right light over here, or to go into
that dark corner over there. But there is some kind
of a seems to be a decision making process that's
built into animal life.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Some of them are ticklish, some an are ticklish. Was
there thousands of dollars put under research, government research, government
brands like that at all?

Speaker 21 (28:05):
Okay, it's a very interesting study that research at the
Washington State University and pullman by the name of Jack
hanksp did And he was very interested in happiness. That's
difficult to get funding to study happiness, so he studied
depression instead. And he had a line of he had
a line of rats that were depressed rats, and so

(28:27):
to compare them, he had to have a line of
happy rats. And he discovered that the happy rats, as
they played with one another, they seemed to have their
mouths open. So he was very curious about that, and
one day he just thought, I'm going to put a
bat detector in there, because sometimes the cries of a
small animal like a rat can be beyond our range

(28:48):
of hearing. So he put a bat detector in there,
and by golly, they were laughing. And he recorded that
and showed that the way that the sound comes out,
it's equivalent to human laughter. It's that kind of breathiness.
And that they love to play and wrestle and have fun,
and that's the way they learn to control and express
their emotions. So play plays that role in many mammals

(29:13):
and a certain species of birds too, most likely. And
he found out not only do they laugh, that they
love to be tickled, and they have you know how
you tickle children. They have certain places that just make
them laugh and laugh. Rats two have tickle skin.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I got to tell you, I can barely remember what
I had for breakfast this morning, really, but I see
that moths remember living as caterpillars remember their childhood is
a caterpillar. That's a that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 21 (29:42):
They remember what they hate as caterpillars. It truly is
amazing because you think that the caterpillar not only does
it have a pretty tiny brain, but it's going to
go through that pupa stage and come out the other
end transformed into a glorious moth or butterfly. And scientists
were able to show that if the caterpillar had to

(30:04):
eat something unpleasant that it didn't like, the mosque will
remember that. And if you put that same substance out
like a choice, you know it will not touch that. Wow,
which is very you know, I mean that has scientists
puzzle too, because they expected that those kinds of morphological
changes would also affect the wire the neurons. But they

(30:28):
have a memory of what was bad and what not.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
To do, all very fascinating. The book is called animal Wise,
The Thoughts and Emotions of our Fellow Creature. As the
author joining us Virginia Morell, I just can't get over
the depressed rats. And how do you find how do
you know if a rats depressed?

Speaker 7 (30:45):
To check what he.

Speaker 21 (30:47):
Did to make his depressed rats was that those he
had the play rats, and then the rats that weren't
allowed to play as to compare, and they were put
into like a kind of a cone thing that held
their tails, didn't hold their tail, but the tail went
through the end of a cone, so they couldn't really move.
They were held in mobile and you will end up

(31:08):
with by doing that and then selectively breeding these animals,
you can end up with an animal that manifests. You know,
it's just not playful. It's not interested in things. It
doesn't jump up to greet you the way that a
playful rat will. So that's how you have a pressed
trap that explains it.

Speaker 11 (31:26):
I think cow's a cone.

Speaker 12 (31:27):
Baby.

Speaker 21 (31:32):
Let me out of the cone.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Forginia, thank you so much for spending time with us.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 21 (31:37):
It's been fun and there's a lot about dolphins and
wolves and dogs. People will enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's a really amazing book. We'll put the link over
at Animal radio dot com. Head on over to Amazon
to buy it, or your local bookstore. If they don't
have it, they can order it. It's called Animal Wise,
The Thoughts and Emotions of our Fellow Creatures. Did I
give away coffees?

Speaker 6 (31:54):
Yet.

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Okay, let's give away ten coffees.

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Speaker 6 (33:10):
Go to John.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
And where are you calling from? John?

Speaker 4 (33:13):
All right now, I'm in kink, Illinois.

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O tr truck driver. Thank you so much for your
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understand that you wanted to talk to doctor Debbie Hill.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Then I've got for him, Aliam. And the problem is
is that a deaddy cat wants to box with the
baby girl cat. Deaddy is both He's the baby girl's Maggie,
Scooter is the boy cat, and Angel's the mama. Okay,

(33:46):
Hokey the daddy. He's every time Maggie walt spy, he'll
jump at her and box with her. He doesn't really
fight her. She bites the car at him, and they
don't have the front nails in the house. Okay, she'll
you'll grab her, run, chase her around the house and

(34:06):
and fight with her. I mean they'll get into some
knock down drag outs. But at the same time, all
he does is just box weather Okay, Like to me,
he tried to teach her out of flight.

Speaker 12 (34:18):
Okay, Now, how is she responding to this? How is
she this cat?

Speaker 4 (34:23):
You could never hear her now or anything, but when
he chases her, she'll wake up the entire neighborhood.

Speaker 12 (34:32):
Alrighty.

Speaker 10 (34:34):
And does she have how does she when she's in
these when she's playing or you know, being attacked by him?

Speaker 12 (34:41):
What is her What does her body position look like?
Is her tail down or her ears back?

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Does she hiss the tails down? She's most of the
time laying sideways or laying on her sword your side
on the floor. She's on her back fighting looting. She's
up and he'll grab her on the back of the
neck like he's trying to mouth. They're all fixed, So

(35:08):
why do we all with that? Yeah, the mama cat,
he've got fixed the night seats after he got a
hold of mama and the next day he was fixed
and we didn't know it.

Speaker 7 (35:21):
But yeah, get this.

Speaker 10 (35:26):
Solution a little bit too wait for that pregnancy, all right.
I'm going to tell you there's a couple of things
that could be going on here.

Speaker 12 (35:33):
So when we have multiple.

Speaker 10 (35:34):
Cat households and we have one cat kind of what
we might perceive as a bully attacking one cat and
there's a fight that ensues, there's a couple of things.
Sometimes it is actually the cat that is being attacked
that is actually triggering this type of attack. Sometimes they
can actually act fearful prior to the aggressor attacking, and

(35:58):
that actually can trigger it, if you will.

Speaker 12 (36:01):
So seeing a cat in.

Speaker 10 (36:02):
A crouched fearful position may make him more inclined to
attack in the first place. So that's an important thing
to watch before the episodes happened, because if that's the case,
then a lot of times I will actually talk about
working on the victim and medicating them with things that
might help to ease their anxieties and their fears.

Speaker 12 (36:20):
Now, the other approach.

Speaker 10 (36:22):
Is to actually look at this and if we have
truly a bully cat, and it can happen where one
cat just picks on somebody or everyone in the household,
and when that happens, you know, I actually.

Speaker 12 (36:33):
There's a lot of things we can do environmentally to help.

Speaker 10 (36:36):
But in many cases I will look at using some
behavioral medicines for the bully.

Speaker 12 (36:41):
The first thing, the.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Girl that's the only one egos after he only attects
Maggie and Scooter. When the eagles after Maggie wherever Scooter is.
He comes out of the woodwork and he'll get directly
in front of Bogie and backing down. I mean Scooter
is about ten pounds eaverier than both.

Speaker 12 (37:03):
He's the piece.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
I mean this.

Speaker 10 (37:07):
Huge. Yeah, some important things that I want to make
sure that you do have going on environmentally to help
manage this couple things. One is that with that many
kidty personalities in the household we have, we need to
have a lot of resources and a lot of opportunities
for the kiddies to eat, eliminate, retreat and perch. So

(37:29):
with four cats, we ought to have at least five
litter stations. We need to have at least two feeding
water stations in different parts of the house, and we
need to have great and then we need to have
good perching sites. So cat trees, window hammocks abilities for
her in particular to get away and get to a
retreat to a higher zone where she'll feel safe and

(37:50):
she may not encounter him.

Speaker 12 (37:51):
Now, the other thing for him.

Speaker 10 (37:53):
And a lot of times if I have a bully cat,
simple thing you can do is to put a collar
with a bell on that will help to a lit
her that he might be in the zone, and then
she can have the choice to kind of avoid him,
retreat to a quiet zone if she should like that.
But when I mentioned behavior medicine, sometimes it really can
do all of these things. We may need to still
tap into that, and there's actually Katie prozac. So there

(38:15):
are medicines that we will use and it may take
a couple of weeks of use and therapy, but it
can help. And during that time we do work on
making sure that we don't, you know, discipline him, So
you should never ever yell at him, chease him with
a squirt gun, try to discipline him when he's having
these fighting bouts with her, because that'll amp up their

(38:35):
anxiety with these things.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Doesn't help with the All we'll do is we'll step
over and we'll put our hand between them, and don't
do that. Don't and we put our hand between him
and he'll stop his back up.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Okay, Well, you have to.

Speaker 12 (38:49):
Be careful because it's a it's just a stone. It's
a stone's.

Speaker 10 (38:53):
Throw from this being triggered into a misdirected aggression towards
a human and it does happen, so just be careful.
Don't put yourself physically. In between that I do like
to take you know, toys, balls, noise makers, throw them
and use a distraction to something else. And then a
lot of it comes down to anticipating when it's going

(39:13):
to happen. Sometimes it's at the same time of the day.
Sometimes it's when the kidies are bored. So even for him,
you know, we need to make sure he has adequate
exercise and mental stimulation.

Speaker 12 (39:24):
Get some of those food dispensing.

Speaker 10 (39:26):
Toys, the cat puzzles, those kind of things where he
can practice his prey drives.

Speaker 12 (39:32):
Cats don't have that outlet.

Speaker 10 (39:33):
They're going to find something, whether it's a person another
cat in the household where they want to bat attack, leap,
jump to one and that's a natural instinct.

Speaker 12 (39:41):
So find those outlets for him that you can provide
also in the home.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
You're just a crazy cat lover, and you know what,
can we give them some fray cat toys? Yeah, hold
on there for one second, John, and we're going to
send your cat some toys.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Okay, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Thank you for your call today.

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Speaker 2 (42:37):
Hi, Angela, Hello, how are you good? Where are you
calling from?

Speaker 24 (42:42):
Actually in Tennessee right now. But I'm a truck driver,
saw I'm everywhere.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Thank you for moving America around for us. I have
doctor Debbie right here. What's going on.

Speaker 24 (42:52):
We have two sugar gliders. My husband and I team
got and we have two sugar gliders that we decided
would be a good pay to the truck. I've heard
doctor Debby.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Talk about before.

Speaker 24 (43:05):
But we're having quite a few problems with them. And
I did quite a bit of research when I first
got them, and they were supposed to not bite much.
They don't chew on things. They're very friendly, they've bond
to you, mine bite me constantly.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
They don't.

Speaker 24 (43:23):
They don't seem to want to come out of the cage.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Okay.

Speaker 24 (43:28):
I was sort of I don't want to say, chasing
them around the cage, but catching them to get them out,
and I read that that was wrong, that they're more
scared of you to let them come to you. I
have sat there with the cage door open. They will
not come out. One of them is much friendlier than
the other one, Like after I get her out, she'll

(43:49):
sit on me, she'll bonchall play with me. The other
one bites constantly. Uh, he draws blood, bites, he bites hard.
And if there's some other trick I can use to
maybe try to get them to want to bond.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
With us more.

Speaker 12 (44:05):
Oh, absolutely, now? And are these both boys or girls?

Speaker 24 (44:08):
Both girls?

Speaker 10 (44:10):
Both girls? Okay, all right, well, and that's good. I'm
glad that you have a couple of them, because sugar
gliders aren't easy pets. And that is one thing that
I want to make sure everyone understands that these little marsupials.
You know, they're nighttime creatures, so they are active at
night and they sleep during the day, so they're not
for every person. And granted with your lifestyle, you know,

(44:32):
with driving, that may certainly work. Now they're also we
have to recognize they're not domesticated animals, so they are
wild animals, so you have to hand tame them, and
that process for the individual sugar glider may be more straightforward,
and some are really difficult to handtame, and it really
takes a lot of persistence. So you're right, so you
don't want to reach in and startle them and forcibly

(44:54):
grab them.

Speaker 12 (44:56):
A lot of it is allowing them.

Speaker 10 (44:57):
To get used to you, your sound and your smell.
So what I usually suggest for the gliders to get
them used to you is to actually, you know, if
you probably have a pouch that you can wear. Most
people with gliders do have that, to wear them on
your person for several hours a day so that they
can get used to you. And a lot of times

(45:18):
you can even help that by having some kind of
fabric or like even a little blanket inside their pouch,
and then that can be something that okay, So that's
how they associate with you, just by kind of gradually
getting used to the smell of you. It's kind of
like just tolerating you almost by just being around them.

Speaker 24 (45:36):
I have a question about that doctor Debbie, because the
one that we really have a problem with, we call
him Attitude. We call her attitude because she has such
a bad attitude. But when I put her in the
bonding pouch an attempt to wear her. She choose tries
to chew out of it the whole time.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
She will not.

Speaker 24 (45:52):
The other one just clos up and goes right to
sleep like normal attitude. Choose tries to chew out of
the pouch. So I stopped putting her. We've had them
for about seven months.

Speaker 12 (46:01):
Yeah, and a lot of times you'll have to you.

Speaker 24 (46:04):
Know, should I force him to be in the pouch?

Speaker 10 (46:06):
Well, if you want him to be tame, it's going
to be for her to be tame. It's gonna be
one of the ways that you really need to get
her accustomed to being around you. Now, she may not
be the kind that is going to be very tame,
and she may always be more wary, and that may
be her personality, but we want to make sure that
we when you're handling her, that you are talking calmly,

(46:27):
keeping your voice low. And then when you are having
them in the cage and we're trying to tame them.

Speaker 12 (46:32):
In the cage.

Speaker 10 (46:33):
The hardest thing with the gliders is they're fast, and
they do kind of their little crab in sounds, and
then they jump out and they bite or they or
they act like they're going to bite you, and the
hardest thing is to just to not flinch, not to
move back, because that just kind of those kind of crabbing,
the noises, even the postures and the biting are all

(46:54):
a demonstration.

Speaker 12 (46:55):
So if you sit.

Speaker 10 (46:56):
There calmly and just kind of say, okay, everything's cool,
thing's cool, a little glighter and you don't move your
hand back when she's trying to jump and bite, that's
a calming response and she's going to be more apt
to not try to do that again in the future.
So it can be hard, especially if they latch onto
your cuticle that like a begeezer, but that's.

Speaker 12 (47:17):
A really big part of it. So yeah, yeah, they
definitely can.

Speaker 10 (47:21):
But part of that is also just kind of having
the mindset that you're not going to be startled and
you're not going to be scared away, and then just
knowing not to push it too far. So if you
notice that they're vocalizing crabbing and you know, getting very anxious,
you don't want to get to push that too much.

Speaker 12 (47:37):
But use treats and use rewards as.

Speaker 10 (47:40):
The kind of praise for them allowing you to come
near their cage when they're in the cage, and you know,
they're still pretty young, so you can still get these
gals tame. But you know, you definitely need to keep
it up, keep working at it, because once they get
much older, it really gets harder to try to get
these guys hand tame.

Speaker 24 (48:00):
Okay, there is a difference from when we first got them.
When I first got them, when I did get them out,
they ran for me immediately with hide. Now they do
stick on my body after I get them out. Nova
does attitude seems to be more standoffish, and he hates
to be held like contained. Like if you put them
in your hands and hold them in a ball, the

(48:21):
other one will just go right to sleep, and the
one will just fight until you let her go. I mean,
I've tried to ignore it, like like I've let her
bit like fifteen twenty times on my hands, just trying
to ignore it, and he just keeps going.

Speaker 12 (48:36):
Yeah, And in that it's an instance.

Speaker 10 (48:38):
You know, certainly we don't want to put you in
a position where you can't respond in a normal human way,
So I would definitely use the poet or use something
else as the container rather than you know, using your hand.

Speaker 12 (48:49):
And that gives you a little bit extra protection there.

Speaker 24 (48:51):
Okay, so just keep working with them and not force
them to come out. What if like, Okay, I've stopped
forcing them to come out, and it's been probably a
week and a half they've actually been out of the cage. Now,
I was getting them out for you know, two three
four hours a day. Then I didn't want to force
them to get out anymore because I sort of wanted
them to come to me, So I stopped that. But
now they're not getting out of the cage at all.

(49:12):
Should I just let them be in there until they
deal with the situation, you know, until we can get
them to where they want to come out.

Speaker 10 (49:19):
Well, I usually would do a combination of both, because
you want to make sure that they're on you and
you got that little snuggle sack and they're with you.
Now if you have to get them out, certainly there's
some distress that they go through when you catch them.
I usually just use one of the pouches inverted and
kind of use that as the kind of the glove
if you will, to catch them, and then that way
they get accustomed to the smell and it's a comfortable thing.

Speaker 12 (49:41):
So but yes, you.

Speaker 10 (49:43):
Still want to offer the treats. You still want to
offer them to come to you, but you maybe spending
thirty minutes more, you know, doing the calm, quiet speaking
and approaching them. So it's just a matter of how
much time you can put in is going to be
how much you get back as far as with their
team ability.

Speaker 24 (50:00):
Okay, I will continue to work on them and apply
some of your tech makes.

Speaker 12 (50:04):
And see where we get wonderful, cool little creatures. These guys. Yeah, hell,
you got to see one of these guys.

Speaker 10 (50:11):
Up close, because they are definitely adorable, but they can
be a challenge, so they really aren't for the novvice
pet owner.

Speaker 24 (50:18):
They are a lot of work. They have a lot
of special feeding needs, but they are they give a
lot back to They have very distinct personalities and if
you could look through the eyes into the soul, that
is one animal that you can really look into.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Wow, well I'll have to check one out. I hear
so many truck drivers that have those.

Speaker 24 (50:35):
Now it's a little better than a dog. I don't
have to get out of the truck to take it
potty or nothing like that. It's a little easier.

Speaker 12 (50:43):
Excellent. Thanks for this is a picture we'd love to see.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
This is a picture.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
We'll put it over on the Facebook page.

Speaker 24 (50:49):
Okay, I'll do that.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Thanks for listening. We appreciate it. Angela News right around
the corner, Stacey, what do.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
You got Remember that story about Chicken Little where this
guy is falling? Sure, it's one of my favorite stories
as a kid. By the way, Uh, there's a new
version and it's got mice in it. Dead ones falling
from the sky that the US is dropping.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
I'll tell you where and why.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
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Speaker 13 (51:29):
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Speaker 14 (51:36):
This one tops them all. Gotta tell you. Invitation in
the middle of the day, invitation, not even email.

Speaker 13 (51:43):
Postage, paid to my wife. She was invited to a
birthday party for her friend's cat. Now one I've been
telling her for ages. It's this girlfriend of hers. She's passed,
she's crossed the line, she's passed the point of no return.

Speaker 14 (51:57):
She's in her forties. The cat is the love of
her life.

Speaker 13 (52:01):
It's just her, the cat, a quilt and a big
jug of ben and Jerry's that's it. Oh and she knits.
I mean, this cat is her life and that's great.
But to throw the cat at a birthday party is
that is a cry for help. I told my wife,
you're not a good friend. This is a cry for
help and you're not responding to this. And like I said,

(52:22):
maybe if she emailed it, stamps were put on these
are people gonna show up? Are they gonna sing it
to this cat? Are they gonna say?

Speaker 14 (52:30):
How old are you now? And expect the cat to
scratch out?

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
She do, She's free.

Speaker 14 (52:39):
Be a good friend.

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Speaker 2 (54:02):
Here's allan Judy dog trainer, Alan Cable, dog father, Joey Vallani,
animal communicator Joey Turner, and doctor Debbie from a super
secret hidden location.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
He did did you see that guy on the internet.
He's got an intelligent test for dogs. It's like it
costs money. It's like forty bucks, but you can tell
how smart. It's all stuff I pretty much knew already,
but I thought it was pretty cool.

Speaker 12 (54:22):
It's an intelligence test for people. Yeah, exactly, Well it's
been forty bucks.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Hey, can I ask you this is it nice where
you are?

Speaker 12 (54:31):
Yeah, it's very nice. Fifty five degrees.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Mountains, mountains, Oh man, I love mountains.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Alan surreptitiously trying to find out where doctor Debbie is.
Oh wit, if you missed the show earlier, we found
out Alan, before he was a dog trainer, worked on
an Amtrak train. Fun job.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
Today allow pets on those trains like in the coach.

Speaker 8 (54:53):
Uh no, uh maybe now it's different, But back then, no,
and I don't know. Well, they weren't allowed anywhere back then,
but who knows now? I think people smuggle the little
dogs on. They get a sleeper car and they smuggle
the little dogs on. You know that you can fit
in your purse and no one knows.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
It's funny.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
You see dogs now more and more in different places.
I was at a Grand Loox the day for breakfast,
and you know, dogs really aren't a lotten restaurants. And
the woman that was two tables down, I see a
Yorky peek his head out of a purse and sitting
right there next to nobody said anything but just just funny.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
Yeah, you do you see them? You go out to Portland, Oregon,
They're everywhere.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Well, the same thing in Europe, and I judged a
few shows and when we were in France, we were
in this forty toty restaurant and the dogs were sitting
right by the table. I mean it was it was cool.
But and I think that they behave better because they treated,
you know, more respectfully. I don't know, Alan, I mean
you could tell me. I mean if if a dog

(55:56):
is socialized in different environments or the automatically going to
behave a little bit differently because these dogs were just
sitting there like no problem. I mean they might have
been trained real well.

Speaker 8 (56:07):
But yeah, well, you know, it's there's such a big
difference between training and behavior. You know, that's a big
distinction between training a dog and the behavior of a dog.
And dogs are you know, they all have different personalities.
And there are some dogs that are very powerful, aggressive breeds,
and there are some dogs that are very social breeds.
And then even within those breeds, there are dogs I
like to call they're kind of like fixers.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
And then there are dogs that are independent thinkers.

Speaker 8 (56:31):
And an independent independent thinker dog will kind of do
his own thing, I mean, he won't always listen and
a fixer or get a long dog will pretty much
do whatever it takes to make you happy. So yeah,
you can easily come across dogs that would be very
very well behaved in social situations like that, and then
there are dogs that you know, they'll cause mayhem and ruckus.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
Like just like, I have a question for you, just
because this just came up. The other day, I had
a friend of friend of mine's mom went into the hospital.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
She had a heart problem.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
Now she rescued this. I'm gonna say, it's like a
forty pound mixed breed. It looks like a border Collie
type mix. And the dog, for whatever reason, has only
opened up to her. Now. I don't know what the
socialization is outside of you know, outside of the rest
of the family, but the dog only opened up to her. Now,
her daughter came up from South Carolina to you know,

(57:26):
to take care of the house, take care of the dog.
See your mom, the dog will not come out from
underneath the table. She called me up to see because
it was three days. The dog had not left underneath
the table, has not gone to the bathroom one or
two and basically I sat on the floor, my back,
you know, more towards the dog and just sat there

(57:48):
hoping that the dog would come out, tried to put
some treats down on the floor. The dog, you wouldn't
come out, You couldn't make eye contact at all with them.
As soon as you did, he would just flip out.
What do you do in that kind of case?

Speaker 8 (58:02):
Well, the dog it sounds like, you know, when a
dog acts like that, a lot of times they were
abused by people and they don't trust. They have no trust.
So you have to earn a dog like that. You
have to earn the dog's trust, and it takes a
lot of patience and time.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Dog like that.

Speaker 8 (58:18):
You know, what you did was pretty cool, you know,
sitting there backwards, I would kneel down by the table
so that the dog has escape routes to the left
or right. I would kneel down, and you do this
in increments, and don't talk to the dog.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Don't look to the dog, just look ahead.

Speaker 8 (58:33):
The best way to greet any dog, and I did
this in an animal tip is just to kneel down
beside the dog and kind of a way about.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
A foot or two away, and you're leaning.

Speaker 8 (58:43):
Opposite direction of the dog, and let the dog come
up and investigate and say.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Hi to you, and you might have to do this
for a while. What I'm telling you to do, you
might have to do it.

Speaker 8 (58:52):
You go and you kneel down on the side of
the dog and you just sit there and you look
ahead or you look down, and you stay there for
maybe a minute or two, and then get up and
walk away, calmly. Don't say anything, don't do anything, don't
look at the dog. And try it again and again,
a fourth, fifth, sixth time. Put a treat down by
the dog, and then get up and walk away so
that you're not there, You're not even there, and then

(59:14):
watch to see if the dog eats the tree. And
then do it again, and each time moved the treat
a little bit closer to your body. You know, And
it'll take time, but that's how you earn a dog's trust.
And once you do. I can tell you a story.
There was a family I just went over to their
house a couple weeks ago. They had two Cocker Spaniels
and unfortunately this dog passed away, but he had the
same problem, terrified of people, didn't want to be around people.

(59:38):
And fortunately for us, it was Super Bowl. We had
the perfect storm of people, the right people in this house.
So when I got there, this dog was terrified, hiding
under the table, just like you said. And this was
kind of miraculous because I knelt down by this dog
about ten times by the table, and finally he came
next to me, came near me.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
I didn't pet him or anything. I just let him.

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
Sniff me, got up, walked away, waited twenty minutes, did
it again. But by the end of this day, this
Super Bowl Sunday, this dog was going around everybody and
people were petting them, and his anxiety was totally gone.
And it was amazing because usually that doesn't happen.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
And this again was probably a dog that was abused.

Speaker 8 (01:00:19):
So it takes patience, repetition time, and then you know,
basically earning the dog's trust, that's all it is. And
the food technique is a really good one where you
move it closer and closer to your body. Over time,
the dog will learn to associate you with food. And
then you can reach out very slowly and actually let
the dog touch your hand.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
Don't pet them yet, let him touch your hand.

Speaker 8 (01:00:42):
And if you are going to pet him, under the neck,
not over the head, not on the body, under the neck.
And then slowly, you can start touching his body and
then the top of his head, and you'll see you'll
earn the dog's trust.

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Speaker 19 (01:01:29):
This is an animal Radio news update.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I'm Stacy Cohen, four Animal Radio. Goldfish believe it or not,
are being found in Lake Tahoe, and scientists say they're
a serious threat to the area. Lake Tahoe is straddling
the California Nevada border and they're the second deepest lake
in the nation. Researchers say that goldfish some weigh about
four pounds, that is a big sucker. They have somehow

(01:01:52):
made their way into the crystal clear waters of the
lake and they threaten native species. Experts say that goldfish
are very good at getting what they need, and they
can compete with native fish for food. It's thought that
the fish might have come from a couple different sources.
Some were dumped there by pet owners who no longer
wanted them, and it's that old flushing down the toilet thing.
Others used as bait and may have escaped into the

(01:02:14):
lake over time. Well, there's a fifteen year old Florida
girl who really didn't know much about Charlie Sheen before this,
but she sure does now. The actor who was so
benevolent he wired ten thousand dollars to Tigan Marty and
her family for a therapy dog to help her in
a rehab from injury she had when she fell one
hundred feet from a Wisconsin amusement park ride in twenty ten.

(01:02:36):
Teagan Marty suffered brain, spine, pelvis, and internal injuries in
July of twenty ten when the nets and the air
bags that were supposed to catch riders on a free
fall ride, well, they weren't raised. She had convinced her
family to make the trip to Florida to Extreme World
in Wisconsin Dell's after she saw the amusement park's terminal
Velocity ride on the Travel Channel when she was hospitalized

(01:02:58):
in Wisconsin and Florida for three months. She initially had
no use of her arms or her legs, but through
physical therapy, she's able to walk again with a walker.
Her mom, Julie Marty, said they're financially in trouble for
medical bills and her recent divorce. The house is being
foreclosed upon, the insurance isn't covering physical therapy anymore. She
said she had no idea how they would pay for

(01:03:19):
an English Golden Retriever puppy that'll help her with therapy.
Charlie Sheen said, I like to pay it forward, and
he said, you know, you don't always know what's ahead
of you. But he said, if I ignore these requests,
then I don't have any opportunity to see where these
things lead us or lead me. He said he doesn't
like to publicize most of his donations, but he wanted
to talk about this one to inspire others to donate.

(01:03:41):
Tiagan Marty gets a dog on her birthday in September,
but she hasn't made up her mind on a name. Well,
guess what Charlie thinks that she should name the dog Charlie.
That would be a great that's a great name sounds
perfect well. Dubbed the Kanye West of Walrus Training, Philip
Demir says he's more than ready to defend himself again.
It's the one point five million lawsuit in Niagara fallse

(01:04:02):
Theme Park has brought against him for allegedly plotting to
steal a Walrus. He says, I look forward to defending himself.
He was a trainer there and apparently very close with
this one Walrusts named Smooshie, And I guess he got
into Marineland and they were going to do a TV
show called The Walworsts Whisper, and it was rejected in

(01:04:25):
twenty eleven. He seemed to become very upset and displeased
about that, and I don't know. I guess somebody thought
he was still in the where you gonna put a
walors like, if somebody's not going to notice, you're walking
out with it anyway. Get more animal breaking news at
animal radio dot com.

Speaker 19 (01:04:42):
This has been an animal radio news update. Get more
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a repeat from an earlier broadcast.

Speaker 17 (01:04:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Damnit hut here what was it? Four weeks ago we
were talking to that lady who put together the book
Dog Show Confidential, and she was talking, or she was
attempting to talk about all the behind the scenes the
bauchery that goes on at these dog shows.

Speaker 26 (01:05:12):
The cheating and how they throw you know, snacks around
the ring to distract dogs and they walk right up
to them real, you know, close to the back of
the dogs, in front of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Joey, you said that you've heard about that all over
It's yeah, especially it's big in Europe.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
I mean, I mean as bad as actually hurting the
pet enough where the pet can't compete. It's horrible, it
really is. They break their kneecaps, well, honestly, this was
a dog that got his leg broken for real. It
was a It was either a massive or a Newfoundland
and the dog had his foot hanging out of the
kennel and when the handler came back, the dog had

(01:05:50):
a broken broken foot and somebody turned in the other
the other handle who did it because they wanted to
go best and best in breed.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
Wow, So what kind of a human being? What?

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
What is wrong with people. Well, it's what's crazy. Even
more about it is I think that the only show
that you win money at as far as being a
handle is Yu can Uba. Otherwise the shows and and
they don't win anything. You win, you win up you know,
a ribbon or or or or a or a trophy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
It's a pretty prestigious title to win it Westminster.

Speaker 26 (01:06:24):
Yeah, and I think if once your dog's been labeled
at the stead fees and things like that can be
pretty hard.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
You know what though, Honestly, you win if you win
the breed. Okay, if you win the breed and you
come in even first or second in that show, it's
it's it's it's gonna probably give you the same amount
of notoriety. It's it's. It's it's really is. It's just
just gets the people's heads, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I don't know if you had a chance at Westminster
to check out Cruise. Cruise is a white samoid, very
beautiful dog. And while she was a beautiful dog, she's
no longer with us.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
She apparently in just did something that was they suspect
perhaps rat poison, and they're suspecting foul play at Westminster.
In fact, somebody came up to the handler at Westminster.
He remembered a stranger who glared at him and made
a disapproving remark about Cruise's vocal cords having been removed

(01:07:21):
to quiet his bark. So apparently this dog had his
vocal cords removed, was debarked, and someone didn't like that.
So they're suspecting foul play. And guess who they're suspecting?

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
Anyone?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Anyone just a competitor. I guess you would think a competitor,
maybe somebody else.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Who had one Lindsay Lohan.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
No, it wasn't Lindsay Lohand although that comes in as
the second most popular guess for who poisoned Fruz Who
they believe? PETA and the People for the Ethical Treatment
of Animals. And remember this as a group that's a
little bit over the edge anyway, and they kind of
do extreme things. They and of course Peter denies that

(01:08:06):
they have any involvement.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Obviously, why do they suspect Peter?

Speaker 11 (01:08:10):
Yeah, I mean what kind of proof do they have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
They believe that these kind of shows are inhumane? Where's
that statement? Do we have that statement?

Speaker 8 (01:08:19):
So you know, allegedly they believe the shows are inhumane,
so they kill dogs to make their point, which is
very humane.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Yeah, well, now this is all alleged. Now we got
to sit allegedly. Don't get me into it's alleged.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Even if you see it, it's still alleged.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Well, the extreme animal activists have called the dog shows
and pure bred competitions inhumane, and they're the suspects right
now in this There was no netcropsy done. They believe
it was a full on case of rat poison, and
the veterinarian didn't believe that a net cropsy. Is that
how you say that had to be done? So we'll
keep you posted right here at Animal Radio. You'll let

(01:08:54):
me say something about that though. Please.

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
This is the first year that the rejudging was done
outside of Madison Square Garden because Madison Square Gardens on
the renovation and they don't have the room. And what
they did is they actually held it on the piers
that are right on the Hudson River. Now, when I
was a stage hand and I worked, I worked in
those peers and to be very honest with you, and

(01:09:17):
I'm not sticking up for anyone, they have rats, the
biggest small dogs in the effort rat poisoning in the
pier itself. I mean, they definitely do. I've seen it
myself and traps, so I mean that's another thing that
they did. They really they really should look at. But
you know, unfortunate and I know Peter sometimes you know

(01:09:38):
they're radicals, but I just can't see them condoning. And
I could see a nut that maybe is a member
of Peter that that that that goes forward and does
it and the organization gets even a better rap. But
I just I don't know. It just it just doesn't
sit right with me. But then again, I'm not sure
that comb so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Well, that's possible. The veterinarian who looked at the dog
afterwards said that there is, you know, rat poison around
dogs get into anything the owner or the handler rather
by the way the handler and the owner are two
different people, as they are usually in dog shows. But
the handler says the dog was with him twenty four
to seven all the time. They had a steak dinner

(01:10:18):
just prior to Westminster. The actual sickness didn't happen until
after Westminster, but we'll have more details as they become
available right here on Animal Radio. I didn't believe that
stuff went on, but I guess it does.

Speaker 26 (01:10:31):
Do you know those dog I walked dogs, and they
can eat stuff off the streets and go in the
yards and pick up stuff so fast.

Speaker 11 (01:10:38):
Before you can go. They just eat anything that they
find on the ground.

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
Yeah, that's the second bad thing that's happened at this
show in the past few years. Remember the whippet that
got away and they never found that dog off the
Tar Mountain in New York City, never found it, never
found a dog. It was the whippet that won the
breed and when they were loading it onto a plane,
he got away on the taw mat in JFK Airport

(01:11:04):
and the dog was never found.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Jeez.

Speaker 8 (01:11:06):
You know when I was working on Amtrak, I was nineteen,
there was a dog on the train that was on
its way to Westminster and one of the cooks decided
he wanted to pet this dog at a stop. He
wanted to give the dog a treat, and the dog
just took off. You know, he opened the cage, the
dog took off. Dog's gone, Dog's out of there. So
he finds he finds at the next stop a stray

(01:11:28):
dog and sticks it in the cage and puts the
blanket over the cage.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Oh yeah, don't work, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:11:33):
And then we get to New York and a woman
comes to get her dog and he peels the She
peels the blanket up outside, and she nearly has a
heart attack because it's this mangy mud setting in this cage.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Did you lose your job after that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
I didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
It was the cook, a cook.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
Why didn't you stop cooking?

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
I was not the cook. I was the coach attendant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Somehow I can't picture you as a coach attendant for Amtrak.

Speaker 8 (01:11:57):
Well it was only nineteen. It was a great job.
Great job I did the Broadway Limited. That train goes
back and forth from New York to Chicago.

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Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Hi, this is Keny Sucker on Animal Radio. Love those pets.

Speaker 19 (01:12:28):
I would love to go on vacation, but I don't
want to leave our Charlie behind.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I agree.

Speaker 27 (01:12:33):
I heard that the magazine Fido Friendly lists places where
you can stay with your pet. They also offer reviews.
So you have an idea about pet policy to include
any restrictions, fees and what pedimenities to expect.

Speaker 12 (01:12:44):
That's dare I say? Awesome?

Speaker 11 (01:12:46):
What are we waiting for?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
I'm way ahead of you.

Speaker 27 (01:12:49):
I just logged onto Fido Friendly dot com and I
found the four star resort Hilton Santa Fe Resort and
Spa at Buffalo Thunder in New Mexico.

Speaker 12 (01:12:56):
Charlie agrees, when do we leave?

Speaker 27 (01:12:57):
As soon as you can pack your bags, It's off
to a adventure with Charlie. Thanks to Fido Friendly Magazine.
To find your next family adventure that includes your furry family,
brind logar to fighter friendly dot com.

Speaker 14 (01:13:10):
Did animal Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Let's go to Jacksonville, North Carolina, where we have Corey
on the phone.

Speaker 28 (01:13:15):
Hi Corey, Hi, thanks so much for taking a call.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:13:19):
I had a two year old American Rottwiler and husky mixed.
His name is Apollo. I don't know if you want
me to start from the beginning or the issue I'm having.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Now you know nothing yet, so tell us, tell us
from the very beginning.

Speaker 28 (01:13:31):
Okay, a little over a year ago, shortly before he
turned one, he started favoring his right hind leg where
he didn't want to put pressure on it, and he
would limp after rough play or you know, a lot
of exercise on it. I took him to a vet.
They took X rays. They said he had a condition.
It started with a T. It's like anthotitis or.

Speaker 12 (01:13:53):
Something cansty itis.

Speaker 28 (01:13:55):
Yeah, that's it, canasty itis. And then they said, in
about eighteen months or so, he should outgrow it. Here's
some pain meds, you know, keep an eye on it. Well,
it did get better over time, but now that he's
turned two, he's really starting to have a hard time
getting up when he's laying down, and he's still really
favoring that right hind lake. So I took him back

(01:14:17):
to the vet. The different vets all him this time
and said he started talking about hip dysplasia or knee
condition and surgery and all this stuff. I was referred
to another VET by some friends at work. Took him
in there. She did a complete examination, tested his flexibility.
You know, he didn't yell for anything when she moved

(01:14:37):
his hips around, but he did when she got to
the knee, his right knee. So she sedated him. She
gave him X rays, but it baffled her because when
the X rays came back, everything looked good. The only
thing she saw was on his right knee. I guess
a little card ledge or maybe scar tissue in the
X ray. But then she recommended I go to an
orso Pedex type VET that's in a different city, and

(01:14:59):
then she gave him some payments and have.

Speaker 12 (01:15:01):
The pain meds helped him at all.

Speaker 28 (01:15:03):
The Rimonville the first couple of days, yes, and now
doesn't seem to make it any effect. The pain pills.
The first day, yes, he was kind of back to
his own self and wanted to play and jump around.
And now nothing, he's kind of back to not moving.
Even yesterday. I decided to try hydrotherapy because I heard
it was good for that, you know, joint, and he
does need to lose a little weight. He's a little overweight.

(01:15:25):
Hydrotherapy like, after he was done, he seemed fine, but
then now he's kind of favoring the left leid.

Speaker 24 (01:15:30):
Well.

Speaker 12 (01:15:31):
A couple things.

Speaker 10 (01:15:32):
Panastiitis is definitely it's an inflammation type problem that we
see in young dogs. Usually they have they have pain
over the long bone parts of their their skeleton, so
not typically in the joint, but usually more like over
the thigh bone, over the humor is so the bigger
parts of the bone. And now some dogs I do

(01:15:53):
see that we'll have pain with that even beyond a year.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
And a half.

Speaker 10 (01:15:56):
It's not as common, but you know, the pain should
be localized to those ears is So if that doesn't
fit the picture for what he's dealing with, and he's
actually having joint pain, then you know, I definitely still
would be suspicious of a cruciate problem pets that can
have different degrees of cruciate injury. And I'm very pleased
at your vet knocked your doggie out under sedation because

(01:16:18):
it's very hard to rule that out unless we get
them nice and sleepy and we feel for movement in
the joint itself. So if we're not completely to a
torn ligaments, you can have partial tears and they can
cause some arthritic changes within the joint, which can be
subtle at first. With time they'll become more obvious and

(01:16:38):
the pet will be more clearly a cruciateate patient. So
that would still be on my list of concerns for
that one leg. Now, if we're having pain that's actually
in multiple joints, then I definitely like to look at
the possibility of arthritis type conditions there can be infectious causes,

(01:16:59):
so types of bacterial parasitic diseases that can actually inflame
the joint, and this is definitely something when we have
multiple limbs, or if the limping shifts from one leg
to another, that would be something I would certainly consider.
And those might be testing for different types of tick
borne diseases and doing more of a blood profile specific

(01:17:20):
for those types of things. Now, I don't think that
seeing an orthopedic a specialist would be wrong in this case,
because if your second VET and I love you got
two opinions, that's great. So if your second VET feels
that this isn't really fitting into a normal clinical picture
and she'd say, you know, now, I know what the
radio VET said. No, I'm sure this isn't a CRUC yet,
then I think seeing an orthopedic specialist might be a

(01:17:42):
good next step, just to make sure that we're not
needing to go in a different direction. Now, they may
tell you need to do all these infectious disease profiles,
doing these blood panels that I'm mentioning, and that's something
your regular VIT can certainly do if you wish without
going to the specialist, because you got a young baby there.
And if you've got good lie in hips and we
don't have a lot of type of cruciit symptoms, then

(01:18:04):
I think we.

Speaker 12 (01:18:04):
Really need to go looking into that a bit further.

Speaker 28 (01:18:07):
Okay, so blood work, if they did blood work, baby,
I mean, what would pop up like if you did
get from it, it's you have gotten worse now that
it's colder, you know when it's colder out for him,
And I mean I did find a tick on him
a couple of months ago. It was a deer tick.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:18:23):
So the types of blood work that I'm mentioning depends
on where you live and what your particular veterinarian would
test for in your area. But for even in Vegas,
if I have pets that have this type of thing,
I'll do a it's called a ricket seal profile, So
we test for things like lime disease, rocky mounted spotted fever,
or licky h and so those are some agents that

(01:18:44):
can cause joint pain as one of the symptoms.

Speaker 12 (01:18:49):
Many of those are carried by ticks.

Speaker 10 (01:18:51):
So if you have ticks and you've seen them, then
that would definitely be something I would look at and
you know, see if we can investigate that a bit further.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Are they so secure?

Speaker 28 (01:19:00):
I mean, you know, over time with medication or some
other type of.

Speaker 10 (01:19:03):
Yeah, definitely, there's treatment available for these type of things.
The challenge is really to get to the diagnosis, and
the problem can be is that you can have completely
normal blood work. So when folks say, oh, the bloodwork
was fine, the VET said, everything is cool. You know,
we're looking at you generally maybe a chemistry panel, a CBC,
which is a blood count, and maybe your analysis. We
may have that and have a perfectly normal looking profile.

(01:19:26):
So we really have to take it to the next
level and order up these specific tests to get a
better feel for that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Corey. We wish you the best with that and go
give the little critter a big hug from all of
us here at Animal Radio before we go, just to
cheer you up and really to cheer me up. It's
making me feel much better. Doctor Debbie, could you please
do your sugar glider imitation? Stacy, could you please do
your Walrus imitation? Please? And Alan, could you please sing

(01:19:52):
Michael Jackson for us.

Speaker 14 (01:19:53):
They don't see you as I do.

Speaker 12 (01:19:57):
Bye bye, see yup. This is Animal That's Radio Network.
M HM.

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