"It's Me Or The Dog" - Dog Behaviorist Victoria Stilwell - The Animal Radio® Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Celebrating the connection with our pets. This is Animal Radio
featuring your dream team veterinarian doctor Debbie White, doc trainer
Alan Cable, groomer, Joey Vellani, communicator Joy Turner. And here
are your hosts, Ali Rooms and Judy Francis.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Now, Alan, is it correct today you're starting a new
feature on Animal Radio peaking doctor Yes.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
What is this? What's it called? My new feature is uh,
get doctor get doctor Debbie excited. That's what it's called.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wow, good thing.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
This is radio interpretations of that.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
Well.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
See, doctor Debbie is very very interested in and gets
very excited about gross things them around the world. So
I will be searching. Me and my team of researchers
will be every day probing the world, looking underneath the
underbelly of the world for topics and stories that peak
doctor Debbie's excitement.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Here that Guido, he's got a job for you.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Probeing and underbelly and exciting Doctor Debbie all words. I
never thought I would.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Hear a grossway, only in a gross way. Okay, will
this excite Doctor Deby. That's the name of my contest.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
We should get the listeners in on that.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, And I figure you can give prizes away. You know,
you get two listeners on the phone and then they
don't know what I'm gonna well, I actually you could
tell them off the air what it is and then
they guess yay or nay.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
So I'm gonna have to give hints because there is
something else that was just really interesting. In Vegas. We
have kind of the invasion of grasshoppers, you know, the
little locals saw that, yes, and they're everywhere. So we're
walking the dogs, you know, the five in the morning,
and they're everywhere, all over those parking lot and Boss
like every two feet he's jumping and leaping and he's

(01:40):
trying to catch and eat these things. They're plastered all
over the building of my by hospital. And I walk
into the back door and I'm going crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch,
like little grasshopper carcasses.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
So that was cool.

Speaker 6 (01:53):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Getting my phone out taking pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
If you're a brand newd animal radio doctor, he loves
smells and gross things. She loves to smell dog's ears.
She loves expressing anal.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, yes she does. That's her favorite. And you know
what's really cool the way she talks about it in
such a clinical way, but you can hear the underlying
excitement and glee.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's very exciting. That's coming up in today's show. There's
a reason to stick around alone just for that. Also
today a Victoria Stillwell from what's your Show? Me or
the Dog something like that. She's gonna kill me for
me marine her show. Also on the show today, we're
gonna be talking to a guy who practices his veterinary
medicine online over the internet until Texas shut him down

(02:38):
saying that he shouldn't be doing that. We'll talk to
him and find out what the whole deal is about.
That coming up in just a few minutes right here
on Animal Radio, and we head to Larry. Hey, Larry,
how are you doing good? Where are you calling from today?

Speaker 7 (02:49):
All right now, I'm in North plattin Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'm a truck driver, okay, and drive very carefully there.
I have doctor Debbie here. What's going on?

Speaker 7 (02:56):
Hi, Doctor Debbie. I've been fighting each didn't tech in
my chocolate labs ears for a year, okay, and I've
been using follow this solution that's supposed to clean and
dry them and then holdomax drops. Okay, I took I
took her to our own vet back home in Minnesota

(03:19):
on Thursday, and he he looked at it on her
microscope and determined that yes, that's indeed what it was,
and then he gave her a shot that was I
think Cortizon. Okay, and then I have appointment that I've
put in her ears twice a day. I'm driving right now,

(03:41):
so I can't get to the pills to see what all.
But one pill was one and a half tablets once
a day for twenty days, and she said, you don't
want to miss any days with this because it heals
the skin layer by layer from the inside out and
takes twenty days to do it.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (04:03):
The other pill, I think it maybe was a follow
up to the corrizone or something. It was one pill
every day for seven days, and then one every other
day for fourteen days.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Okay, yeah, that's what it sounds like. Sounds like probably
an antibiotic was the first one, because it takes about
three weeks for cell turnover. And then the second one
sounds like a steeroid of some sort because he had
a tap ring schedule there.

Speaker 7 (04:27):
Okay, now here's my question. He mentioned that by the
time I go through this with all the medications and
stuff like four times I could pay for the surgery.
And what surgery is that? And he explained he actually
took his finger and run it down Candy's cheek bone,
and he says, we would actually cut away that ear

(04:50):
canal or cut that slice that ear canal down to
where it about two inches or so, down to where
it makes it turn in.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, okay, fitch it up.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
It stays open and it could drain. And I know,
you know on humans, doctors put tubes in your ears
sometimes for people that have problems with water and areas,
and they can drain. I wondered if you had heard
of that, because I talked to some other people that
are pretty big time into dogs and they hadn't heard
of that surgery before.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, and from what it sounds like, he's recommended a
surgery called a lateral ear canal resection. And basically the
place that this procedure can have for dogs with ear
problems are particularly those that we have trouble getting down
to the deep part of the ear canal, and dog's
ear canals are very different shape than ours. With people,

(05:43):
you could take a Q tip and accidentally shove it
too far and pop your ear drum. With dogs, that
is impossible with normal routine means because there's a part
of the ear drum that goes down vertically and then
it turns and goes horizontally inside the base of the head.
So it's really kind of like an l if you will,
And if there's infection at that deep part where the

(06:05):
L is horizontal, it's really hard to get that cleaned
out effectively. So the ear resection surgery or removes that
outside wall of cartilage and basically allows you to get
the medicine down at the source. So He's right, that
can be a very helpful thing. And I actually the
last dog I had done that surgery on was a
standard poodle, not a dog. You think of a whole
lot with some of these you know, ear infections, and

(06:27):
it really made a huge difference in the home care
and and really for the people tackling that. Now, there
are some other things that you know as far as
with recurrent ear infections. For me, a lot of it
is really get into some of the core reasons why
we get ear infections in dogs or labradors in particular,
So things like thyroid problems, low thyroid problems, and dogs

(06:51):
can cause a propensity for ear infections. So if you
know your vet thinks that might be something worthwhile checking out,
you know, it's a great thing. Yeah. And then other
things so common in retrievers as well as other dogs
are allergies, seasonal allergies, and food allergies. So some dogs
with those types of conditions will just blow with ear

(07:13):
infections on again and off again all the time. So
it's a little bit more costly to do some of
the testing for some of the allergy conditions. But there
are some simple things like diet change, going to hypoallergenic diets,
or using some medicines that are geared towards symptoms of allergy,
like cyclosporing, which is actually my preference rather than steroids

(07:35):
on a long term basis. If we can avoid steroids,
I prefer that. So those are some more like long
term strategies you can look at and and you know,
so I wouldn't poo poo that idea of the surgery.
It's just for me. I would want to make sure
it's something that you know is appropriate for your pet.
And then the other big problem I see with a

(07:56):
lot of dogs with recurrent ear infections is we just
don't get to the heart of the infection and clean
the ear out. And you know, if we're considering that
plumbing bills and dog's ears, it's hard to clean at home,
so ear flushes under general anesthesia can be very helpful
to get that plumbing clean. Yeah, get the garbage out,
and then it helps you to be more effective in

(08:17):
your home care. So that might be something as well,
if that's you know, appropriate for him.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
And see, he did explain that to me too. He said,
I probably wasn't going nearly deep enough, but I'd go
like an engine. She'd yelped, you know, it was hurting herself.
He didn't try to pursue it either by going further.
He said, we got to get that healed up. But
he was afraid maybe that my attempts at cleaning I
was just pushing it down inside worse, you know. So, yeah,

(08:43):
I hope we can on top of it. But I
just that was the main thing I wanted to know
if you had heard about that surgery, and yeah, I will.
I wrote down thyroid sprout and I will ask about that.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, and that lateral ear canal surgery. The dog the
breed that we tend to do this the most and
tends to be Cocker Spaniels because for a lot of reasons,
they tend to have a lot of ear infection. So
if that proceeds done early on before there's a lot
of chronic scarring in those ears, some of these pets
can can really you can manage them much easier at home.

(09:17):
And they just look a little different, you know, it's fine.
You know, the earflap covers it, so it's not anything
that you know, will change aesthetics or anything. So, oh,
thank you for your call, Larry.

Speaker 8 (09:27):
Good luck.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
I'm talking before about a couple of years ago about her.
I can't remember what the issue was, but you're always
a lot of help and I sure do enjoy your
program on the radio.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Glad to help.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Thank you for your call, Larry, Thank you again.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Now you know we hear about new listeners every week.
It's great to hear about listeners like that that have
been with us for so long. We enjoy it. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Have you guys seen my Strange Obsession on TLC? What's that?
It's the show where they have lunatics on there that
are obsessed with different things, and this one I was watching.
This lady's obsessed with rats. She has nineteen rats in
Her husband made her get a separate apartment, you know,
because he doesn't like rats. Her husband's like, oh, maybe
he can get over this soon and we can get
back together the way it should be, and she looks

(10:11):
at him and goes, no, I don't think so nothing's
going to change. Our marriage is pretty much over because
my rats come first.

Speaker 9 (10:19):
They say, rats make good pets.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
She's got nineteen of them, and she loves them beyond reality.
I mean they kiss her, they sleep with her, They
do just about everything you can do with a person.
You dirty rat.

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You I thought you didn't have cable.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I don't. I see it on the internet. I see
I cruise the internet every day looking for the finest.
There's also a lady on there who likes to be
stung by bees. She's obsessed with beastings. She stings herself
fifteen times a day.

Speaker 9 (10:46):
Oh how nice, very exciting.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
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Speaker 1 (13:00):
You're listening to Animal Radio.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Here's Hal and Judy.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Hi Christy, here are you.

Speaker 8 (13:05):
I am great, Thank you so much for taking my call.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
On.

Speaker 8 (13:09):
I have a dilemma. I have a men tin splash
chuah blah. We got from the shelter about five years ago.
He has a doggy door outside of the bathroom. He
goes every time, but when it rains, he's terrified. He
will the pee and pooh whatever right outside the doggy door.

(13:30):
So when I'm thinking, okay, I'll take him outside and
I'm going to go on a lock. I put little
umbrellas over him.

Speaker 13 (13:38):
I have a little.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
Doggy you know things booties. I have my umbrella over him,
even my coat. And I'm sure my neighbors are thinking,
here's this crazy lady crushed down with like a coat.
They're like, oh my god, who's this person. I have
tried everything, and the thing is he's terrorized, and I
don't want to jerk him or punish him when he

(14:02):
does the wrong thing, but I want to get to
the underlying problem. It's worse because, when let's say I
take him on a walk there are sprinklers that a
neighbor has put out, and there's wet pavement, he will
stop in his tracks and I have to lift him
to go to a dry place. I don't it seems ridiculous.

(14:24):
He is so terrified, and I'm not going to jerk him,
you know, across the streets or anything else. He's already
terrified about the whole thing, which I don't know the
underlying reason for that. But I feel sorry for him.
And all he does is wait until I go in
another room.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
You know.

Speaker 8 (14:42):
Hepe's right by the doggy door, never ever anywhere in
the house. I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I've tried all.

Speaker 8 (14:50):
These different things and I'm completely out of ideas.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
You're a really smart lady, and it's really good what
you said about not wanting to punish your dog. Do
you have a a place where you can watch the
rain where the rain won't fall, like an overhang or
a little patio with a roof area.

Speaker 8 (15:06):
No, not really?

Speaker 3 (15:07):
All right, well then you know what you can do.
I'll tell you what. You're gonna start by creating really
good positive associations for rain. And the way to start is,
because your dog's so terrified, the next time it rains,
you're gonna put your dog on a leash. You're gonna
walk over to the front door, and you're gonna stand.
You're not gonna say anything, don't talk. Just put your
dog on a leash, open the front door, and stand

(15:28):
there and watch the rain together. Don't move, don't talk,
and every couple of minutes, just go good girl, good dog,
and give her a treat. Okay, and you're gonna do that.
You're gonna do that for a while. Put these words
in your mind because it consistency, patience, positivity. Plant those
in your mind because that's what you're gonna have to
do and slowly but surely, as your dog starts to

(15:51):
calm and associate rain with hey, I'm getting a treat.
When it rains, you're gonna go and take your dog
for a short walk in the rain. Umbrellas, no booties,
no big you know how to do. It's gonna be
very matter of fact, or you might start doing it
after it rains, you know, to increase the association. Wait
till after it rains. Take your dog for a walk

(16:12):
on the wet pavement. You know, every couple of minutes,
you're gonna give your dog a treat, say good girl,
and you're gonna build up to the point where you're
actually walking your dog in the rain and giving her
treats and praising her. And then when it rains, you're
gonna take your dog out on a leash, not use
the doggy door. You're gonna physically go out there with
your dog. But the thing you have to remember is

(16:33):
you're not talking. You're acting calm, you're acting confident. You're
showing your dog that rain is nothing to be afraid of.
And indeed, rain is something that is really positive because
I get treats and I get praise, and over time,
you will associate your dog and rain with good things.
You'll eliminate the negative association. We don't know what that

(16:54):
negative association is, but you know, I'll tell you what.
It's real common for dogs to be afraid of thunder
and lightning and fireworks, and she might associate rain with
that with a thunderstorm. So time, patience, consistency, and just
realize you got to stick to the plan. You have
to have a plan, and you got to stick to it.
Don't abandon the plan because you don't think it's working.

(17:15):
It might take two, three, four months because it doesn't
rain every day, so you're gonna have to wait to
do this.

Speaker 8 (17:21):
How does this start?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
It can start in a variety of ways. Usually a
dog will associate something with a bad event. So let's
say when your dog was a puppy, there was a thunderstorm.
That would create a negative, fearful association that you have
not changed, and it would just manifest itself her whole life.
So you have to replace the negative association with positive associations.

(17:42):
How it started, we don't know. We weren't there when
it started, so we can't answer that question.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Since it doesn't rain a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Can't she even give just a hose? You said she's
afraid of sprinklers. You can just turn the sprinkler on
and there stand there, don't sit. Stand next to your
dog in the backyard and move her close to this
sprinkler to the point where she starts to get anxious,
and stop right there. Give her a treat, say good girl,
good dog, and just watch the sprinkler together. That's a

(18:08):
great idea, Judy, that's a great I.

Speaker 8 (18:10):
Never thought of that, because the thing is the worst thing,
he's terrified. The worst thing I could do is yank
the dog and say, come on, no, I have to
carry the dog.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Well, the other thing is you don't want to carry
your dog. You don't want to pick your dog, because that,
again is reinforcing. You know, you're giving your dog attention,
lots of attention, and making her more fearful. You're basically
when you pick your dog up in the rain, here's
the message you're sending your dog. You're saying, yes, you
should be scared. I'm scared too. Oh understand. So you
want to be calm, patient, confident. Do not pick her up,

(18:45):
keep her on a leash, don't take her out in
the rain. Just watch the rain together, watch the sprinkler together,
and you're going to see over time she starts to calm,
and she'll start to associate the water with a good thing,
meaning I'm getting treats and praise every time waters around.

Speaker 8 (19:01):
I never thought of that because I was like my
woods ends, I'm sure my neighbors. When I bring the
umbrella over in the I'm surely thinking this lady is
insane and watching he comes again with his dog, She's
like a freak person. Because I try, and I.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Try, I can hear the anxiety in your voice. So basically,
when it rains, you're getting anxious, which makes your dog
more anxious. Okay, I'm just curious. Is he terrified of cars?

Speaker 8 (19:27):
That's funny. You say that he was hit by a car.
Somebody brought him in and he was terrified going outside.
So I desensitize him, and so little by little I'm
got I praise him God, Toby, all, that's so good, good,
And he will go outside now on a walk, no worries.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
See, and you do the You desensitize him to the
rain the same exact way you keep a bucket of
treats in your pocket and do the same exact thing
with the rain as you did with the truck.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
I would love to go on vacation, but I don't
want to leave our Charlie behind.

Speaker 14 (20:04):
I agree. I heard that the magazine Fido Friendly lists
places where you can stay with your pet. They also
offer reviews, so you have an idea about pet policy,
to include any restrictions, fees, and what pedimenities to expect.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
That's dare I say, awesome, what are we waiting for?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I'm way ahead of you.

Speaker 14 (20:20):
I just logged onto Fido Friendly dot com and found
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at Buffalo Thunder in New Mexico.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Charlie agrees, when do we leave?

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Speaker 6 (20:42):
This is an animal radio news update.

Speaker 15 (20:45):
I'm Stacy Cohen for Animal Radio. There's a museum in
Russia and they're celebrating their feeline employees.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Get a load of this.

Speaker 15 (20:53):
According to Ria Novista, their hermitage Museum in Saint Petersburg
is hosting an exhibit that'll be honoring the sixty cats
that they used to protect the paintings from mice and rats.
The practice dates back to about seventeen sixty four, when
Catherine the Great created the institution and gave the four
legged guards a formal rank and stipend. Well, now the

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Hermitage Museum has put together a separate gallery featuring the
paintings of Alexandra Steinlen, who was noted for his love
of cats. What a great thing. I think that'd be
a great exhibit. Well, I know this is going to
sound like a goat walked into the bar, but that's
kind of a story. It turns out a pygmy goat
found in a Montana bar wasn't actually there to what

(21:37):
his whistle. According to the Montana standard, the animal was
supposedly brought into the Butte Establishment early Sunday morning. Patrons
called the police and the goat was taken to a
local animal shelter, but its owner remained unknown until the
shelter got a call from the Fairmont Hot Springs Resorts
Petting Zoo. I guess the general manager explained that they
knew one of their goats was missing, but they didn't

(21:58):
realize it was stolen until they saw an article about
a bargoing goat and police are still looking for the
culprit behind the theft, but the goat has since been
returned safe and sound to the Petting Zoo. A little
extra Easter feasting helped a giant rabbit named Ralph reclaim
his title as the world's biggest bunny. According to the
Sussex Express, the four year old hopper, who lives in Uckland, England,

(22:22):
lost the title last year when another rabbit named Darius
outweighed him, but Pauline Grant, who runs the farm Ralph
calls home, says she spent about seventy five bucks a
week on meals.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
That's a lot of meals for a rabbit. They're not
that big.

Speaker 15 (22:35):
That have helped him reach his new record setting weight
of fifty pounds. Ralph's day diet includes a cabbage, broccoli,
corn on the cob, half a cucumber, half a bag
of watercress, two apples, two slices of brown bread, whole
grain cereal with of course cream. It's probably that extra
half a cucumber that put on the pounds.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
I'm Staisy Cohen.

Speaker 15 (22:54):
You can get more animal breaking news at annimalradio dot com.

Speaker 16 (22:59):
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Speaker 1 (23:05):
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Speaker 2 (23:19):
We'll head back to the phones in just one second.
In fact, Judy is screening your calls for doctor Debbie,
our vetinarian, dog trainer Alan Cable, our groomer, dog father
Joey Vallani, and animal communicator Joy Turner. Let's first head
to the phones in line for we have Victoria stillwell
on the phones. Hi, Victoria, how are you doing?

Speaker 18 (23:37):
Hello, I'm good, thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's time for your bi annual interview. I guess you
got a book called Train Your Dog Positively And I
like this because as of late, there's been two different
camps on dog training. There's been the Caesar Milan get
your dog to roll over and sit on him and
be alpha and everything, and then there's the what do

(24:00):
you call your kind of training?

Speaker 18 (24:02):
It's the future of dog training, that's what it is.
It's really scientifically based that. You know, after years and
years and years of researching how dogs learn what they
need to be successful, how to deal with different behavioral issues.
You know, the modern day behavioral science has proven that
positive reinforcement methods from war based training force free is

(24:25):
much more effective and safer options than the old style
dominance training.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well that could be psychologically damaging. Huh the old style, Yeah.

Speaker 18 (24:35):
It really can. And you know it's not only that,
it's now got to the point now where because dominance
training still enjoys quite a media presence in this country.
You know, it's getting to state where this is becoming
a public health and safety issue. Dogs are becoming when
they have a confrontational relationship with their owners, are becoming
more aggressive. There are more bites, and dominance training really

(24:57):
promotes more dogs two bites. So positive training across the board,
whatever method you decide to use within under the umbrella,
is a lot safer and more effective.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
What if you started training your dog on the old
system and you want to switch over to the news system.
Can you do that?

Speaker 18 (25:15):
Yes, you absolutely can. I think your dog will thank
you for it. I think your dog will turn to you.
Goh my gosh, what are you doing? This is so
much better. But of course, you know, dogs have a voice,
but we just don't understand them. So I think there's
I have people coming to me all the time that
say I started this way and I want to make
a change, and when they see the results, they wish

(25:37):
that they've discovered it sooner. What's the book about, Well,
the book puts the debate right out there. Do you
want to train using positive re enforcement or do you
want to stick with dominant methods? And that's and I've
put the debate out there, and I've also backed it
up on why you should really choose the positive reinforcement,
why the future of dog training. Modern dog training is

(26:00):
going to be a lot more faithless for your dog
in the long run and enable your job to learn
and be more successful. I really do think you know
it's time to come out of the dark ages.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I like your book. I I like the fact that
you know the information, all kinds of information is out there.
I don't see very many fear based training techniques anymore,
although I know people do that on their own because
they're insecure and crazy. But the more information the better.
And I love the fact that you're out there talking
about the dogs needing a strong, passionate leader, because that's

(26:32):
where it starts. It all starts with the owner, doesn't it.

Speaker 13 (26:34):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 18 (26:35):
And I've done this for fifteen years now, and so
you know, I don't really need scientific research to kind
of prove to me that this stuff works because I
see it every day and I see what really firm
but fair leadership does, and it changes lives. Doesn't just
change lives for the dogs, it changes lives to the
families that live with them. And that's what I'm about.

(26:57):
And you know, I'm sorry, but I just think it's
such a tragedy in this country and in other parts
of the world that even though the balance is it
is the scale of tipping, that people will still think
that the fear based technique and the dominant techniques are
the right way to go because hey, look sexy on TV,
doesn't it If you like that kind of thing, it
looks like it works. But the magic of editing, and

(27:19):
you know, you can say anything works when it doesn't.
So I hope people change.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Let's go ahead and give away some of these books here.
I have ten copies of Train Your Dog Positively. The
author Victoria still well joining us. Now your program It's
Me or the Dog, which, by the way, airs in
forty countries over eight million viewers. It has just taken
off sort of like the super Nanny for dogs. Are
we looking for another season of that?

Speaker 18 (27:40):
Well, at the moment we're on hiatus. It's actually in
sixty countries around the world. I think last count Wow,
we finished our eighth season and now which is good
because I am working on something else now which is
very exciting, and I can't say what it is and
what network it's going to be, but I think and

(28:00):
I've seen all the dog shows and the dog programs
out there, and I think it's one of the most
beautiful shows about dogs and man's relationship with dogs that
there that there has ever been. So that's what I'm
filming at the moment, and hopefully that will be on
the screens in the new year. But for the moment,
It's Me or the Dog is on haotis. No plans

(28:20):
to do more at the moment.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Okay, Well, we look forward to that, and of course
when you are ready to announce it will be the
first to announce it. Thank you so much for spending
time with us.

Speaker 18 (28:29):
Victoria, thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I always enjoy this, always have fun. Victoria still well.
I love her accent. I wish I was born with
an accent like that.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
That is the hardest thing there.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Is, I'll tell you. And she's she's a hot looking
woman too.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Is she gone? Is she gone? I just I just
wanted to ask you, you know, because I didn't want
to start any trouble. You know, don't I don't want
to stay because I love her. She's I love her.
I love everything she says. But why do you think
Caesar Milan? I heard you say, you know, they're the
old style dog, negative fear based training. He's not really
like that. He's more in line with what she was
talking about than anything else. Wait where did you get

(29:06):
that idea how.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
She's a Milan? Actually one of his techniques is to
take the dog, roll it over on its back and
a bi alpha and.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
I've never seen him do that. I've never seen him
do that. I mean, I've seen him come up against
you know, very very aggressive dogs, and I've never seen
him actually do that. Maybe that was something I missed.
He's totally positive reinforcement. I don't understand where you get
that idea. I mean, he's every dog I've seen him
work with has been based on gaining the dog's trust,

(29:36):
giving the dog confidence. It's never fear. He's never ever
striving to make a dog afraid of him. It's always
based on trust to begin with.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
I guess some of his techniques that people have issues
with the don't like.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
I would like people. I would like to know what
the techniques are, only because I think people make things
up in their heads a lot of times that are
not based on fact. Because that guy, he's one of
my heroes. Mere that guy so.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
Much season doesn't like me to it up too much.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I had to.

Speaker 9 (30:06):
This was this was in my hometown in New Jersey,
you know, being a stage hen. We used to have
this theater called the Bergen Performing Arts Center. So they
had asked me if I would, you know, do them
a favor and come back and work with Caesar on stage,
because you know, he went out on tour and he
and he talks to people and talks about.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Training and all.

Speaker 9 (30:26):
And what they did was they had questions from the
audience and they wanted me to ask the questions. The
only thing I can think of.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Is is he could.

Speaker 9 (30:36):
Well, that's true. Okay, so you want to go there. Okay,
well we'll discuss that later. But anyway, what what happened
was is it was my hometown. It was my home crowd.
When I came out, they were screaming, cheering, and he
I guess he didn't like that too much, and he
wouldn't talk to me. He wouldn't say I tried to
shake his hand, he walked out. He just I did something.

(30:59):
The only thing I said to him was hello, it
was nice to meet you. We went on stage, and
then after that Mike wanted to take a picture and everything,
and he wanted nothing to do with me.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
So that's very undiscibed. I didn't even tell him. I
didn't even tell him I was going to slap me.
You know, maybe he was afraid, maybe because when you
came out, people were screaming, where's my money, Joey, where's
my money?

Speaker 9 (31:20):
But I like his methods. I'm going to be honest
with you. I think I think Caesar's methods, so, you know,
just common sense.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Almost they did to set the miligan.

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Money if you think comes out in the end, it really.

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Speaker 4 (34:33):
The weirdest thing actually tends to be someone's pannies that
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Hard to explain when when the dog vomits a throng
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my dog loves egg whites, Is it okay? He will
eat them all day long.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Well, you know, egg whites are actually a very good protein.
It's very bioavailable, so I meaning it's utilized for energy
very well. The only but if that I'm going to
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raw egg whites contain a component called avidin, and it's
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(35:32):
of B vitamin and it can cause B vitamin deficiency.
So if fed raw eggs on a regular basis, that
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I don't see a problem as long as it's not
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Speaker 2 (35:47):
What about cholesterol is that do they suffer from high
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supposed to have eggs every day because that can lead
to high cholesterol.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
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the egg yolk, it's still good for them and only
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Speaker 2 (36:17):
You know, a little doggy egg farts all daily. This
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my little pug baby has a collapse trachia. He's ten
years old. Adopted him at seven years old. His previous
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(36:37):
when we got him. We took him got X rays
and they found out that he had a very small trachia.
We've had it under control with daily cough suppressant pills
prescribed by our vet and steroids. We've opted not to
have surgery because our research shows that the outcome is
not very favorable in almost half the cases. Our vetas
experienced on animal acupuncture and offered to give Duke around

(37:00):
and see if that would help with this cough. I
guess our question is what can we expect for the
little pug man getting needles stuck in him? I'm afraid
he won't like it. We absolutely love our little man
so much. We want to We want him to be
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let me just say I like it when you call
a little man that's cute.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
That's in.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Years of pugging, because that's what you know. I fell
in love with pugs at practice, and that's why I
partly wrote the book on pugs. They are such fun characters,
but they are weekly fellas. So I can see why
the concern for acupuncture as a therapy may or may
not be appropriate. And I guess in that part of
the question, my answer would be that some pugs just

(37:41):
don't sit for anything very well. But with mini dogs
with acupuncture, there are some calming points that they can
treat and that that may help the pet calm for
the duration of the session, So it might be worth
a try. But recognizing that some pugs, you can't get
him to sit still, and they do that and you

(38:02):
just got to accept it. That is puggy, So who
knows it might be worth a try. Now, going back
to her comment in question about surgery for a collapsing
treda collapsing trichya, for me, when I talk surgery, it
really has to be pretty bad, so meaning that the
dog has to be really bad with symptoms of coughing,

(38:23):
maybe having severe distress or almost emergency bouts, and the
actual collapse in the trichia that happens. It's kind of
a flattening that happens, and it has to be about
fifty percent of the diameter of the airway, and if
it's about that much or more, then the dog might
be a candidate for surgery. Really because it can be

(38:43):
a life saving a potential tool for some pets, but
it doesn't it's not perfect, and surgeons will vary on
how much they say it helps. So sometimes as much
as seventy five or eighty percent of dogs will improve
with it. It just depends on selecting those pets that
have the best options with that, because not every pet
does well with the surgery. But if the medicine's helping him,

(39:06):
I don't know that i'd, you know, say that's got
to be a reality for this little guy.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
I had acupuncture once it got me nauseous. The doctor
said it be released.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
That's what they say.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
It's going to happen the first time until you get
all that toxic toxins out.

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And then the next sessions won't.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Be as bad.

Speaker 15 (39:23):
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Speaker 3 (41:13):
Wow, that's absurd, that's so who would do that? That's
just sick.

Speaker 9 (41:17):
How could you mistaken a ferret, even on steroids, as
a poodle.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
They don't even have the same type of coat or
look at anything that like.

Speaker 9 (41:24):
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Bridge though the.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
New breed a feral poodle.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Oh I like that. Yeah, remember those lambs. It was
about a year ago they were passing off lambs as dogs.

Speaker 9 (41:36):
I remember the story. I don't really remember, you know,
the whole crups of it, but I do remember the story.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Any day. Now there's gonna be a you know, a
person passes off his daughter as a dog as a
daughter in for a big dowry somewhere, and some guy's
gonna marry a poodle.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Let's just go to the phones. What do you say? Hey,
hey you? I think we have Ali on the phone. Hey, Ali,
how are you doing?

Speaker 19 (41:58):
Bye? How are you? Good bye?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
You have cats?

Speaker 19 (42:02):
I have twelve of them?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Really? Twelve?

Speaker 19 (42:04):
Holy movie, I'm down to twelve.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Down to twelve. Okay, well I'll tell you what. I'm
going to go ahead and give you a Fralic cat
bundle if.

Speaker 19 (42:13):
I mean, well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I think they would truly enjoy it.

Speaker 19 (42:17):
I always I could always use that they've all been rescued.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Oh, they will love this. I understand. You want to
talk to doctor Debbie.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Yes, I do, go ahead, okay, Wi Hi, Hi there.
What do you got going on?

Speaker 19 (42:30):
I have an outdoor cat that I rescued last November.
He was sixth in September, and I brought him to
my bunch. My bunch were there anywhere from thirteen to
seventeen years old, and he just wanted once to kill

(42:52):
about six of them, and so I have to keep
him completely separated. He's got his own room with the
screen door, and I let him out when I'm there,
and I can supervise every movie makes. But when he attacked,
you know, he just gets into a frenzy, and of

(43:13):
course he'll go after me if I get in the
middle of it.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
But sure, I've.

Speaker 19 (43:18):
Tried the comming collars, which really seemed to make a difference.
They work for about three weeks and I can tell
what it's, you know, getting ready to wear off. But
I mean there's there has been an improvement. But I
just can't leave him unsupervised at all because it's just

(43:41):
like nothing special will trigger it. He just sort of
just goes off.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Well, I mean, you are in an extreme situation there, Alley,
because what I usually advised my kitty clients is once
you start getting over three four cats in the household,
with each cat that you add the risk of having
an interct issue, whether it's aggression or house soiling, it
just goes up. So when we get all of these
cat personalities under one roof, I would be surprised if

(44:10):
someone with that many cats didn't have cats urinating out
of the box or aggression problems and inner cat issues
because in a high density situation. Cats are under chronic,
low grade stress, and they may not show it in
the ways that we always notice it, but there can
be a lot of nonverbal communication going on, and for
some cats, you know, if it seems like nothing is

(44:32):
triggering him, believe it or not, a lot of cats
will have a very passive or fearful behaviors, nonverbal communication
that they'll cueue and it actually can trigger an aggressor cat,
one who's more dominant and who's starting these altercations, and
it actually can be triggered by those other cats fearful movements.

Speaker 19 (44:52):
So I ended up putting a couple of collards on
them too, because that was triggering it. I was watching
sort of crouched down and then he would just nail exactly.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
So a lot of this can be really difficult when
you've got this many cats. Now for a single cat
that is being the aggressor. I definitely like the idea
of using the pheromone collars. And in my experience, either
you know, the plug ins or the collars, they do
tend to run out of their oomph by about three weeks,
so there's nothing wrong with you know, adding a new

(45:25):
one on at that third week, because I do hear
that just even across the board dogs and cats, So
that's that's fine. Now, the things that you can do
for the aggressor cat, I always advocate giving those other
cats a little bit of warning, and that can be
done by putting a bell collar on the aggressor cat
to just kind of give them a warning that he's coming. Now,
it doesn't matter if he's just out looking and he's

(45:47):
looking for trouble, because they may not have the opportunity
to get away. But the other thing to consider is
if he's in good health and the veneerian clears him,
I would consider using some drug therapy for him. In
many cases, in a smaller household, sometimes we'll medicate the
fearful cat to stop being fearful, and that can often

(46:07):
take care of the problem. But in your situation, I
don't think it's rational to miticate all those other cats,
those in those senior years. So you know, if he's
in good health, then I would look at getting something
like katie prozac for him or clamipramine, which are commonly
some of these drugs that we use to help manage
these problems. So that might be a reality now, the

(46:28):
other thing is, you know, definitely considering the reality of
keeping him in a different population. And sometimes you can
find cats that have a similar bold personality and they
might be able to acclimate in another room or an
environment with him, but you just can't pick those fearful ones.
The ones that have a kind of totally different mindset

(46:48):
would not be appropriate to be in an environment with
him alone. And then as always, you know cats, what
do cats get upset about? And why do things trigger problems?
To making sure the resources in the kiddy household are ample,
and that's that could be tough with twelve cats. We
really can so cat trees. I would admit, if I'm
picture in your house right now, I think.

Speaker 19 (47:09):
I actually emailed you a few hours ago. On all
the outsdoor, I built this huge cattery and downstairs and
then an outdoor and closed MP and I mean, they love,
but I can't let him go out there because I
don't want the other ones to get stressed out. So

(47:31):
that's definite, gonna have to build him.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
His zone definitely, And then throughout the house that's where
you know, we got to have these places for the
cats to kind of get away from each other. In general,
not just from him, so you know, perch trees, all
of that. You know, through different rooms of the home,
places they can hide, making sure there's lots of litter
sources and food sources in different rooms of the house
with different entrance and exit strategies, So you don't want

(47:55):
to have where they're always going to get ambushed by
a particular cat coming out. So you've kind of really
kind of look at the floor planet and you think,
on their behalf, is it kind of like that? You know,
I had a younger sister. I have a younger sister
as far as I know, she's still there. And you know,
we always fought like cats and dogs, and sometimes I
would just like stand outside the door and wait for

(48:17):
her to come through and jump and surprise her and
freak a out. It's a lot of fun, you know,
That's what the little sisters are for. You're kind of harassing.
So so you have to kind of think of, you know,
what other avenues can the other cats get startled or
spooked from fellow cats in the house, So you know,
kind of think about you know a little thing.

Speaker 19 (48:33):
Like yet, yeah, well I had twenty four at one time.
I hadn't taken any and in the last ten years,
you know, all mine has They've been like twenty and
twenty three years old when they die, and I gradually,
you know, my numbers have come down. I'm down to

(48:53):
twelve now and it is a better situation than it
was when I had so many.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah, definitely, can we get yeah, yeah, Well, you know,
I see cats where they come from a group household,
you know, sizable like yours, and they can have some
things like plaques in their mouth that occur from viral
stress or you know, kitties that are having lower urinary
track symptoms, because that's a stress organist for cats. So

(49:20):
if you have a cat that's being out of the box,
it can be their stress, it can be their nerves
things that are freaking them out. It doesn't always have
to be an infection. So you know, cats are sensitive creatures,
so we got to kind of look at them a
little differently.

Speaker 19 (49:33):
Yes, they are very complex.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Well, good luck with it, Ali, and we appreciate your card.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Take care of yourself, Alley. Hold on a second, we
need to get your information for the frolic cats.

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For your part, it's gonna take some time and consistency,
but if you do it in no time at all,
your dog will be walking right by your side. What
you're gonna do is get ten to fifteen feet a leash,
maybe two leashes put together, or a long rope. Attach
it to a pinch collar, a choker, whatever you've got.
I like to use the slip choker chain. Now, go
into the backyard or to a park that's big enough
for you to walk in. You're gonna be walking to

(50:44):
the four corners of a square, and you're gonna have
the leash attached to your chest, both hands firmly holding
on to it like the leash is attached to your
entire body and your hands are glued to your chest. Now,
you're going to stand at the corner of your square,
facing the next corner that you're gonna walk to about
sixty yards away. Just stand there for about a minute
and then just start walking take off. Your dog is

(51:05):
gonna get a major correction. Oh, I forgot to mention this,
and this is very important. No talking at all while
you're doing this. So you're gonna be walking really fast
and your dog's gonna be getting corrections as you walk.
You're gonna pay no attention to your dog. When you
get to the second corner of the square, you're gonna
face the third corner and just stand there for another
sixty seconds, then take off again. Your dog's gonna get

(51:25):
a correction. You're gonna do this for about twenty minutes,
but you're gonna notice after ten your dog is pretty
much starting to pay attention to where you are. And
that's because he realizes when you take off, he gets
a correction, so he wants to pay attention to you
and what you're doing. Are you gonna do this every
other day for twenty minutes for about two weeks. Sometime
during that two weeks, you're gonna notice your dog doesn't
get a correction anymore because when you start moving, he's

(51:48):
right by your side. You're also gonna notice that he's
watching you, maybe even sitting by your side, waiting for
you to take off. When this happens, it's time to
go to a six foot leash and you'll do the
same thing for another week or two. Step two next time.
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Speaker 1 (53:09):
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Speaker 3 (53:11):
Here's Alan Judy.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Hey you, Hey, Kiky, how you doing.

Speaker 13 (53:14):
I'm good, thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
We're nervous but good. Where are you calling from.

Speaker 13 (53:18):
Today, Riverside, California.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Dope, be nervous, will be really gentle?

Speaker 13 (53:22):
Okay, oh thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
What's going on?

Speaker 13 (53:25):
Not much actually, which is kind of what I'm calling.
I have the best dog ever created.

Speaker 21 (53:30):
Oh really, you bet.

Speaker 13 (53:33):
He is beautiful and he's big. He's a big, hairy,
funny guy.

Speaker 20 (53:40):
It sounds like my husband.

Speaker 13 (53:42):
Okay. I have two questions for Alan please. One is
that I need a trainer for my dog and me
because I want him to be my old purpose dog.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
What do you want him to do? Exactly?

Speaker 13 (53:54):
What do you what do you Okay, well, he's already
my companion and I dare say he's probably Yeah, you
could call my guardian. I mean, he barks like crazy
if you come near his house. But I want him.
The rest of the gooes is that I want to
have him as my guide dog.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Well, you know what you're gonna need. I mean, in
order to turn a dog into a guide dog takes
some very specialized training. There are very special places where
they do that.

Speaker 13 (54:16):
Yeah, and also have very special attitude if you want
them to do your dog.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
It's a very complicated training process. It's not something that
you could do yourself. And I'm not sure if there
are private citizens who do that out there. I really
don't know. I've never really had that kind of a
question before. It's interesting, Okay, you know what I'm saying,
Because you want them to be a full fledged guide dog,
which is a very very complex procedure. Dog has to
have the right personality and the right upbringing from puppyhood

(54:46):
to be a guide dog. You know, approximately three out
of every four dogs fail the process. Believe it or
not went up.

Speaker 13 (54:53):
Yeah, I do believe it. Having been there and done that,
I know.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah. So, but I'm telling you.

Speaker 13 (54:57):
My dog for me, Okay, the operat here is me
for me.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
He's perfect, Yes, for you, he's a perfect companion. But
I'm not sure that you could turn him into a
guide dog. I mean, you'd have to find somebody to
do that for you, and and you might not be
able to have him at home for a while because
they'd have to actually take him.

Speaker 13 (55:15):
And no one is taking my mammy away from me.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Nobody's taking that baby away.

Speaker 13 (55:18):
Wait a minute, it's not three weeks or a second
or anything else.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Well, let me ask you this, Why can't you maybe
get another dog that is a guide dog gets yourself.

Speaker 13 (55:25):
I've been there and done that, and I found a
whole lot of issues that getting a dog that was
already programmed, wouldn't. I don't know how to explain it nicely.
I couldn't do it, so I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
You didn't like the did they give you a dog?
Did you actually get a dog?

Speaker 13 (55:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Yeah I did, and you didn't.

Speaker 13 (55:43):
I've been there and done that.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah, and you didn't like the dog they gave you?

Speaker 13 (55:46):
It wasn't that I didn't like the dog, but there
was so much about the dog that because she was
as old as she was when a daughter, And it's
not that she was even old. It was that I
didn't know the dog.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yes, and there was a lot.

Speaker 13 (55:58):
Of what we what some of us so with a
lot of I guess you could say double talk. An example,
just to show you was they would tell us one
thing like, go with your dog. Depend on your dog
because she knows what she's supposed to do when we
run the streets. However, in lecture they would say, your
dog is going to test you and it's up to
you to do these things. So whether it get distracted,

(56:19):
don't let her do the things that she's going to do.
But you know you already told us to depend on
our dogs.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I understand. I understand what you're saying. Now, you said
you had two questions. What was the second question?

Speaker 13 (56:30):
Well, yeah, the second one is is that I want
somebody I want to know maybe you can give me
some tips on how to play with my little lemmy. See,
when I throw a frisbee, I think he thinks that
I'm throwing it at him and not to him.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Well, dogs don't think like that. I mean, if you
go if your dog, does your dog bring the frisbee back?
Does your dog bring it back to you?

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Like it?

Speaker 13 (56:51):
He brings a ball a lot quicker than he'll bring
the frisbee.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Well, then you go outside, sit in your chair and
just throw a ball. That's the best way to play
with him. Just throw the ball for a hand half hour.
That's what you do. And you know what, don't worry
about getting a guide dog. I understand what you're saying.
And you know why you had trouble with your guide dog.
I understand totally. You're happy with the dog you have now,
you're happy with his behavior. You just want to play
with him and make sure he's happy, and he will be.

(57:17):
You just play with him a half hour a day
and keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 19 (57:20):
No.

Speaker 13 (57:20):
See, but I don't want just to play with him though,
I want to take him with me because having him
with me does, among other things, get me focused.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Well, yeah, take him, yeah, continue to continue to do that,
continue to take them with you where you go.

Speaker 13 (57:32):
But just I can't legally do that though, can I?

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Why?

Speaker 13 (57:36):
Because he's not certified or registered or whatever it is.
He's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Oh, I see you want to take him. You know what,
with most states, I think you can. I think you
can definitely get that done now in most states, from
what I'm seeing, you can pretty much. Some people have
guide alligators. Now, I mean, whatever animal you have that
makes you feel better can be what do they call it,
an assistance animal?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yes? What do they call therapy or medical alert? Depending
on what the application is? What is the application? Are
you blind?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Are you that's what I am? Okay, you should call
the I don't know who you would call, probably the
Humane Society or the Well. No, I'm not I'm not
in charge of anything.

Speaker 20 (58:18):
No.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
See now, look at how you're going on.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Look at you know what?

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Wait a minute, what I need?

Speaker 13 (58:24):
Wait a minute the trader to show me the how?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Now wait a minute, now, I think that's I think
you're being unreasonable. I don't live with you. I'm not
in your state. I don't know the laws there. You
want to bring your dog, you said to me. This
is what you said. Okay, I'm not putting words in
my mouth and putting them in yours. You said to me,
I want to know how I can bring my dog everywhere? Well, yeah, well,
I'm gonna answer. I'm gonna boil, boil boy. Am I

(58:49):
married to you? I'm going to answer your question right now.
You call the you call the Animal Control Board, and
you tell them your situation, and I'll bet you money
they will give your dog a CIR certificate that allows
your dog to go with you wherever you want him
to go. I'll bet you much, serious or serious.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
It's amazing how you can get You can get a
certificate if you have a dog that just makes you
feel emotionally better, you can give me.

Speaker 13 (59:14):
Is so cool, though, I mean he already he is
more than that. I think that's that's the point I've
been trying to make my vet is close to me,
within walking distance, just because it's important that you know that.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I'm Veta that can probably tell you who to call.

Speaker 13 (59:27):
But yeah, I'm sure you he didn't want to go there.
He didn't want to go Anybody.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Feel well, I'm telling you the state.

Speaker 13 (59:33):
Though Cody and I walk. He's close enough a week
and walk. Tody knows to go around cars that are
part He knows to go around mailboxes. And all I
have to do is tell him go around the car,
and then I tell him good job because he does.
When we go up on the curve or up the driveway,
I'll tell him, okay, we're going up the curve.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Or does he planned weddings. I'm looking for a wedding planner.
Does he plan weddings? Do you ask him to?

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This story came across my desk about a veterinarian who's
has a website given advice medical advice on the website
and he was shut down. I guess the state of Texas.
Oh yeah, shut him down. Doctor Ron Hines joins ys doctor,
how are you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
I'm doing fine? How are y'all?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I'm doing OK? How y'all? What did I tell a story?

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
What's going on? Basically?

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Yes? Uh, I think everything you said is correct. I've
been a veterinarian in a long time, you know, almost
sixty years now, and my health really doesn't allow me
to run an animal hospital like I used to. But
I think over the years I've kind of learned things
that can be helpful. Not in every case. There's certainly
things that really don't lend themselves to internet advice. But

(01:05:06):
I think in many instances I can tell people what
their options are and maybe lead them in the right direction.
I hope I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
So people would ask you questions over the internet and
you would give them free advice, or you had a
fifty eight dollars flat fee for advice.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Well, I started off doing it for nothing. I still
sometimes I charge, but if anyone sends me an email,
I answer it, whether they charge or not, and I
try to tell them what I would do if it
were my dog. A lot of these people are overseas,
they're isolated, so just don't have any money.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Is it true that there were people with conflicting diagnosises
from their veterinarians, so they would come to you to
sort of deliberate Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Oh yeah. You know. People don't write me when they
have a simple problem. It's usually multiple problems, many veterinarians,
differing opinions, drug those questions. So I have to review
everything I can. If they send me x rays, I
have a look at them, blood chemistry history. We talk

(01:06:12):
on the phone some A lot of these people, I
tell them, you know, I can't help them. Their pet
may have cancer, or pet may have already died, and
they're feeling guilty about it. And they think, well, if I
would have brought us the VET a month before, maybe,
And a lot of people, you know, their pet is
their most important friend in the world, and I look

(01:06:33):
at it that way too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
I think for a lot of people, maybe listeners aren't
understanding why, like a VET board would would protest this
because it sounds like, you know, this should be a
great thing. And the thing that I'm assuming that the
VET board has a problem with is the lack of
a doctor client patient relationship, which is inherent when we
prescribe medications for pets. Now, I mean, in your instance,

(01:06:55):
you're not prescribing medicine, you are providing information. Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
That's correct. I always ask what medications the animal is
on and their body weight, and you know how frequently
they're given. And if I see a mistake, and sometimes
I do, I'll just mail them a PDF for the
product insert. But I don't ever criticize, you know, veterinarian
or or try to cause acrimony. But you know, mistakes happen.

(01:07:22):
I make mistakes, that boards make mistakes. We all do,
and I try to avoid them. I try to fix
them when I can, or at least send them down
the right road. But no, I don't. I don't prescribe medications.
And that's where I never tell another vet, you know,
how to run their business.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
Yeah, And I think that's where you know, for you know,
I appreciate that that boards do what they do. But
you know, it's kind of a situation of you're you're
not doing any harm. You're providing a second opinion and
maybe empowering some of these pet owners to find and
ask those questions to get their pet the care and needs.
So yeah, it's it scares me that they're that you're

(01:08:00):
getting a problems honestly, because you know, look at all
the media shows out there. We have the doctors. You know,
what is the next step. Are we going to start
prosecuting all those shows for these doctors that are answering
questions on air? And you know, this is getting scary.
You know how I always get upset when you know,
government comes out and tries to tell us how we
can or can't practice our given profession.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
And this is what you do. You give advice on
a weekly basis too, but you don't prescribe any medicines.
You often encourage people to go to their veterinarians if
you feel that you can't reach a solution on the air. Well,
the veterinary medical examiners they shut you down. They've suspended
your license. They find you and they're making you retake
portions of your veterinary licensing exam seems pretty heavy. What

(01:08:39):
was their reasoning?

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
Well, they've been rather circumspect in explaining that. I still
have been able to find out it's a complaint was
file and if so, by whom? We get conflicting messages
on that. But I must say the Texas boards, when
they modified and when I started doing this, it wasn't
against the law. It was only in two thousand and
five that they modified the act, and basically they followed

(01:09:03):
the AVAMA, the American Veterinary Medical Association's guidelines on a
Modern Practice Act. So although Texas tends to be quite
aggressive in in you know, enforcing their professional boards, I
believe the same situation exists in every state. Although I'm
not an attorney and I really don't know much about that,

(01:09:23):
but it is a national policy. At one time it
probably made sense, you know. We used to show up
with a horse and buggy and look at the horse,
and all we really had was our eyes and our
ears and our hands. And in those days, I suppose
it did make sense. But the world has moved on,

(01:09:43):
and we have radiology reports, you know, that describe all
the details on an X ray that an ordinary practitioner
might miss and we've got electronic blood work results transmitted
by national labs like IDEX, and and I tell people,
you know, I'm not your veterinarian. I can't examine your phone.

(01:10:04):
I'm not clairvoyant, can't heal animals over the telephone or
the internet. But if I didn't think I was doing good,
I wouldn't keep doing it. Of course I can't do it.
Now you're suing, though, right, Well, then it's sue for
justice is suing. I'm sixty nine years old. I wouldn't
be doing this anyway. My health is, you know, is tenuous.
But I felt it was important to open this up

(01:10:26):
for younger veterinarians. I mean, there'll be other vets who
would like to do what I do. It gives them
a winnow to the entire world. I have clients in Africa,
at least on remote islands, many of them where there
are no veterinarians, or if there are, they just don't
have the knowledge that modern veterinary schools provide. The only

(01:10:46):
reason I would really continue with this is for whoever
comes and takes us over later. I think that's Veterinary
boards and veterinary organizations need to kind of accept the
digital and the electronic age. I mean, we are there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
It seems to make sense. And all of this seems
to be about free speech, and I guess that's what
the lawsuit is about. Is free speech, right, I believe,
so that is how I see it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
You know, there is no substitute for a season that
I looking at the or seasoned hands examining an animal,
and I kind of make that clear.

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Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
And well, I have to say I appreciate your battle
and your efforts for future veterinary generation. I wish you
the best.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
Definitely thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Bless your heart, doctor ron Hines joining us. If you
want to learn more about doctor ron hins case, you
can head on over to animal radio dot com, where
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It sounds like either he didn't tell us the whole
story or there's somebody up there on that board that
doesn't like him.

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Ellen, you are always the guy looking for the what's
the bottom line. You're always scrutinizing, and there's gotta be
more to this story.

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There has to be There has to be more of
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how I listened to it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Can I just say I think it's all Judy. I
think Judy is the master, the power, the strategy, the influence.
She is the backbone of this show. And and how
I don't think you give her enough credit. Did you
apologize to her for last week's behavior?

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Yeah, did I.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
He's still apologizing.

Speaker 9 (01:13:52):
I'm down on my knees right now apologizing very You
didn't notice sort of butt kissing going on today? A
lot of anyone that you know, I mean when we
go to a little breaks, I guess you know how
had said something to Judy that she didn't like too well,
and she she showed him who's the boss of the
studio here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
You well, as a radio talent, sometimes I get a
little cocky because I think most radio talents get cocky.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Right, yes they do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Oh what what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
You never did cocky?

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Allen? That's funny. Well that's like a dishwasher getting cocky.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Well, let's see you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
It's time to play a game, doctor Debbie.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
What kind of game the game is?

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
The game is called I search every week for things
that I think will will peak your interest and uh
and excite you. And this game is called will this
excite Doctor Debbie? Okay, we'll take boats right now from
Hallan Judy. Will this excite Doctor Debbie? I already told
you what it was. It was that that strange obsession
show on TLC. And I'm betting what one of the
stories I saw will get Doc good? Debbie very peaked.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Ooh the one you were talking about earlier? Yes, yes,
m I'm gonna say no.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I won't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
I'll say no. I was dialing phones.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
I don't even know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
She doesn't know what we're talking about, she says, no,
Doctor Debbie. There was the rat lady that has the
nineteen rats and loves the rats more than her family
and has moved into a separate apartment because her husband
doesn't like the rats.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
You know what, I did see that, But I do
have clients that love their rats, have oodles of them,
and I can understand that one a little bit more
in kind of a little different way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Can I just say that sounds like a really good
soup oodles of rats.

Speaker 13 (01:15:36):
I love itsoles of rats, chunky.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
I will continue searching. My quest continues. Will that excite
doctor Debbie when I talk to you and I listen
to you talk about creepy stuff, like creepy crawley stuff
like as a matter of fact, I get this vision
in my head of you in the kitchen, you know,
like a mad scientist concocting all kinds of exotic dishes
on things that you find in pets and then testing
them on a cracker.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
You know what, I probably have unintentionally done that. Okay, all,
I'll tell you what got me excited today, and this
is going to be kind of more along my line
of things. Okay, So we had a dog horribly ill
with a gi illness, diarrhea, vomitying, just really on death
store and it was giving me a lot of frustration
trying to figure this out until it came up that

(01:16:23):
the other dogs in the home all got sick too,
but they recovered. And this all happened after the dog
ate some chicken from one of the grocery stores nearby.
So today the dog is doing great, and she's responding
to therapy. We got the culture back, and she has
camp little bacter, which is a infection people and animals
can get from infected food items. So I was so

(01:16:43):
excited about that, and I guess you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
No, No, that is exciting, but that's a different excitement
for you, Like you're excited by success in your practice,
but you're also excited by gross stuff. So that's that's why.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Diarrhea it's exciting, you know, it's just I think it's
just intriguing anyway, Is it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
On your coffee table? Is it? Is it hardened on
your coffee table?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
See, while you have your gloves on their dot, can
you check Boog's teeth? Tell me what you think these things.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Got to be?

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
He never takes the gloves off. You do not.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Brush his teeth, do you? So, yes, he needs some
detal care.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Well you know what, I thought that I'd get them done.
You get the teeth done, and then I would brush
every day after that. But it's and I love the
little guy dearly. I give medicine. Every judy gives a
medicine every day, and but but I can't see putting
a toothbrush in his mouth every day. I don't know
how he's gonna ever like that. So it's it's tough

(01:17:35):
to cat. And I know there's other people that agree
with me on this. Do you really expect your clients
to put a toothbrush in their mouth every single day?

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Cats can be difficult. You can't train them, but you
gotta do this when they're young. You really got to
get on board with this and embrace this. When they're
puppies and kittens, they had the most successful way to
do it. But you know what, I actually I just
saw one of my old neighbors came in with her
shitsu yesterday and the dog is I think eight years old,
never had a dental cleaning. She brushes their teeth religiously

(01:18:03):
every night before bed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
That's a big dog, now, little like okay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Well, little pounds fifteen pounds with an underbite. That dog's
teeth were gorgeous but beautiful. I would never have known
that he had never had a dental cleaning. So you
can make a huge difference in your pet's care preventatively
by just brushing teeth. Really, how doesn't even brush his
teeth every day?

Speaker 17 (01:18:26):
He's not going to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
That's really not necessary. That's not necessary to do so
this little red line right between the teeth and the
gums on my teeth, of course, my gums, that's not
that's dingerbitis right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
That's uh yes, yes, that's a wonderful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
That's all we have time for today. I want to
thank Victoria stillwell doctor ron Hans for joining us, and
especially you for joining us. Remember you can get more
animal Radio all week long at animal radio dot com.
Download the Animal Radio app for iPhone and Android right
now before you forget do it now. I can wait. Well,
actually I'll let you do it on your own, but
it's free app. Get it and you can ask your

(01:19:04):
questions right from the app. Have yourself a great week.
We'll see you next week for more animal radio.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Good bye, bye, take care, see it's next week.

Speaker 9 (01:19:11):
Same place

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
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