He Wants To Get Rid Of All The Cats - Top Pet Toxins - The Animal Radio® Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Celebrating our connection with our pets. This is Animal Radio.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's Animal Radio. I'm gonna give you a little warning.
I think you should tell your friends to turn on
the radio now. I have the feeling that today is
going to be one of those very memorable shows. Huh oh,
you feel that way you feel in here?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
You can just nie so unpredictable started before the show started.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Actually from the studio.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Doctor Debbie is here answering your vet medical questions, dog
trainer Alan Cable, dogfather Joey Vallani, and animal communicator Joy Turner.
And today we're going to talk to this guy in
New Zealand who's starting a whole buttload of problems across
in the United States, and he lives in New Zealand.
But this guy New Zealand wants to get rid of
cats all together. In New Zealand. We'll find out if

(00:49):
he's a nut job or if he has a case.
That's all on the way right here on Animal Radio.
I see Joey's going to tell us about anesthesia free dentistry.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Now done by groomers.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I don't know about groomers doing that was kind of weird.
I wouldn't go to my groom I.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Go to home Deepot. The guy who cuts the keys
does excellent dentistry, and I'll send my best sectomy there
in the wood department, in the lumber department there.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, it's all the way right here. On Animal Radio Stacey,
what do you got going on?

Speaker 6 (01:14):
Boy, I'll tell you. And nobody trusts anybody anymore. And
there was a picture of a monkey that was strapped
in a padded seat that Iran put out or some
supposedly they sent this monkey into space, but there's no
real confirmation if they did. The poor little monkey, and
I mean it was almost like a terrorist video that
they you know, here's a monkey sitting in the seat

(01:37):
and you have to you know, it didn't have a
sign or anything. I'm fine, mom said Bananas. I mean,
there was nothing like that. But I felt bad for it.
I don't know, I don't know if it really happened.
I'll tell you more about it though. Coming up on
Animal Radio News.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
The monkey said getting out of Iran was the best
thing that ever happened to him.

Speaker 7 (01:55):
Everything's looking up for me.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Let's go to line four. We have Dave.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Hey, No, we have dangerous Dan.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Dangerous Dan, Hey Dan, how are you doing? I see
up here on the board that you have a problem
with our our jingle, one of our jingles, and I
believe Guido's prepared the this is the jingle you have
to trouble with?

Speaker 8 (02:19):
Animals are people to Pa.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's a jingle that plays with our brit Savage segment
in every show and throughout the week on Xamon. And
you have trouble with that? Is that correct? Do tell
us what's up?

Speaker 9 (02:35):
Well, it doesn't take eyesight to figure out that animals
are people, but people are very definitely very much animals.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, Dave doesn't think we should bring animals down to
the level of people.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know, it says up here you're a talker and
that do you have a lot to say? But you
seem to be very quiet. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (02:55):
I got a face radio, but not a voice. Just
take example, you have a story dot too long ago
about this creep over there at Florida that was having
sex with I think Burrows.

Speaker 10 (03:05):
That was a news story that he did that Stacy did.

Speaker 9 (03:08):
Yes, yes, yeah, he had another way I believe about
men and women both in the modern age having sex
with dogs, and it's kind of an archaic and traditional
thing that men have sex with sheep and goats in
the Mediterranean. You know there is any laws against that,

(03:33):
but whether it's unlawful or not, it's absolutely sinful. And
most of our laws originate in some type of religious law.
That's kind of the way it ought to people. People
are spiritual, doesn't matter what country, what age. People have
always been spiritual. It's only recently that atheism, of course,

(03:56):
I don't believe there are any true atheists.

Speaker 11 (03:58):
Seem to used to be.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
Modern thing to be atheists, even though they want same
sex marriage. But then they look down on bigamy that
Laurren Jeff, he's at jail or Pesphelia. And that's the
problem with say sex stuff too. People that are involved
in that kind of thing usually become involved with it
before they become of age, and that's what's criminals. But nonetheless,

(04:23):
animals do have emotions. We share a lot of things
with animals.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
But they're not people, is what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (04:29):
But they're not people. They don't have free will. They
can't do the wrong thing knowing it's the wrong thing
to start with, does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
It makes complete sense. And really the I didn't think
anyone would take that jingle so seriously. We know animals
earn people, but you know what, we treat them like
their family. You know, they sleep in the bed with us,
they eat with us, they're all around. So I wouldn't
take it too seriously there, buddy.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
But you got to change the jingle now to animals
a family too.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, that's what I would that be. Okay, would that
work for you?

Speaker 12 (05:04):
Well?

Speaker 9 (05:05):
See, here's the deal I'm with you guys. You know, uh,
the dog father thing. I'm totally online with that.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
You hear that, Joey?

Speaker 9 (05:13):
Okay, little uh, my little Schnauzer goes everywhere with me.
I have four match Morgans and that's what I live for.
It's my horses. I'm very familiar with all the barnyard
animals I've I've had goats and chickens and rabbits. That

(05:34):
story you had the lady with the rabbit was great.
Rabbits can make wonderful pets.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
You said something brilliant before about animals not having the
compulsion for evil. Basically, you know, animals don't they don't
do evil. So in essence, you know, to me, especially dogs,
I love them so much. They're almost superior to people
because you know, they don't have the capacity for evil.
They're not out there looking to get me. They're truth

(05:59):
and pure love on four feet is what I call them.
And I love that about animals. I think horses will
like that too. I mean, you know, it's black and white.
There is no good and evil with them. They're not
out to get anybody. They're just they just exist and
they give you joy and you don't have to worry
about trusting them dangerous.

Speaker 10 (06:15):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I thank you so much for your call today, and
we'll actually we're going to get the jingle change this
week for you and we'll change it to family.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Is that okay?

Speaker 9 (06:23):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm totally online with that. I agree.
It's just that I think that people need to understand
what Alan is saying about. We can think like they do,
and each animal type is different. They have a completely
different hardwiring, if you will. Dogs are incredibly challenging because

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people take them for granted. They think, oh, oh, it's
a dog, you know, but they don't even understand themselves.
The chimpanzee that was taught sign language is a perfect example.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Dan. I'm running out of time here, but I want
to tell you thank you so much much for calling
in today and letting us know how you feel. Our
lines are always open, and if there's anything like next week,
if there's something you want us to change, just give
me a holler. Well we'll do it just right away.
I appreciate it. Dangerous Dan calling us here on Animal Radio. Now.
I don't know why he's called dangerous Dan. Do you
know by chance I was calling him Dave?

Speaker 13 (07:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Is it David?

Speaker 10 (07:19):
No, it was dangerous Dan.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Mistake.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Okay, you know it's funny this this week, this show,
you guys are delving into a lot of serious issues
that we're not prepared us.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
We're not ready. Yeah, lighten up.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Hey, Ray, how are you doing?

Speaker 13 (07:34):
Oh? Just fine?

Speaker 14 (07:34):
How you guys doing very good?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Where are you calling from today, Misuri Missouri? What's going
on with your dog?

Speaker 9 (07:40):
Well?

Speaker 13 (07:41):
I have a commodore and I believe she's mostly commodore,
but she's crossed between a a great Pyrenees.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Oh wow, she's a big girl.

Speaker 13 (07:49):
Then huh oh she's she's a wonderful dog. And yeah,
she is pretty big. She weighs about one hundred and
twenty five pounds and thirty Oh yeah, and she's just
what's what the deal is? She has a spot on
her right hip on the outside that she likes to
chew on. And it's not a real constant chewing or

(08:10):
anything like that. It's just that she has she chews
on it enough to where their fur is just colored there.
And uh, you know, we've looked at it and it
doesn't really seem to be, you know, a sore. But uh,
you know, when we use bagbomb, it goes away and
then if we stop using here it comes back.

Speaker 15 (08:28):
Okay, And that's the only place she's bothering or does
she lick anywhere else on her body?

Speaker 13 (08:32):
Scratch?

Speaker 5 (08:33):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (08:34):
No, not really. I mean we do live in a
tick area, in a chicker area and in the middle
of the ozarks. But other than that, no, she doesn't
really have any other areas. We keep her pretty clean
and uh, we use the front line on her all right.

Speaker 15 (08:49):
Well, I mean, because definitely I would say that fleet
tick control is going to be just crucial.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
It's not the area describing.

Speaker 15 (08:55):
Isn't really typical for say a fleeer tick infestation. Uh,
And I'm actually a little curious about her hip. Now,
has she had any kind of medical treatments recently, vaccinations,
you know, any kind of things were anything was done
in that area, because just if there was anything that
was given as a shot, anything like that. I do

(09:17):
see some dogs that will kind of lick the area
and it kind of is it becomes an area where
they're irritated for some time. Would this be an over
kind of the point of the hip I'm gonna ask
you to have her checked out by a vet in
the hip area. Reason being, sometimes we will see dogs
that will lick the surface of a limb or a

(09:38):
body part if they're having arthritic pain. And it may
not always be something where we're seeing limping or trouble
getting around, but it can be that persistent licking over
that site.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
And sometimes it can even.

Speaker 15 (09:50):
Be kind of a tingling, kind of like the pins
and needle typeation that they can have at a body part,
and that maybe why they're attracted to that or they
kind of repeatedly go back to it, So that would
be something I would want to make sure that you
know they do or don't feel as an issue.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
And then for some dogs, if.

Speaker 15 (10:06):
We have an actual sort in the area and we
can kind of clip the hair look at it and
we see some thickening, any redness, any changes to the
skin surface in this situation, if we're trying other avenues,
you know, I'd like to do some sampling on that skin,
whether that's something just doing a little surface scraping on
there and then look under that under a microscope.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
That's the possibility your vet can do that. It's pretty quick,
cheap and easy.

Speaker 15 (10:31):
But the other thing we may just want to pair
into this with complimenting the topical that you're using bag bomb.
You know, we can even switch over to something like
veterrocin that you know is a very good topical for
a lot of these kind of hot spots and lick sores.
But I would add in maybe an oral antibiotic with
this as well, and maybe an antihistam and use those

(10:51):
kind of that three pronged approach with an antibiotic, an
anti itch medicine, and a topical and see what this
looks like after a couple of weeks of continue therapy,
because sometimes it's a matter we just got to get
a little bit more aggressive about.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Treating these skin wounds. And then I've had some dogs.

Speaker 15 (11:08):
I'll tell you honestly, they have been on long term
antibiotics because if the pet lies on that area, then
you have some pressure injury too. And I can think
of a baby that you know, a German shepherd that
we treated for three months with antibiotics and in padded
vetting and bandages and what have you, trying to keep
that area from getting irritating to get to heal up.
So you know you might have a little bit more

(11:30):
of a hall ahead of you. I hope not, but
I would certainly, you know, get that veterinary eyeball on things.

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Speaker 10 (13:46):
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Speaker 2 (13:48):
That's exciting to hear. Yeah, I always love that. Doctor
Debbie's here answering your vet medical questions, Dog trainer Alan Cable,
dogfather Joey Vallani, and animal communicator Joy Turner. All here
at your beck and call Stacy Kellen working hard in
the newsroom. What do you got going on?

Speaker 6 (14:02):
Well, I have an uncomfortable question for you. For a second,
I just want you to think about this. Is your
cat a serial killer?

Speaker 7 (14:09):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (14:10):
I know you're probably saying to yourself, no, not my cat.
He would never do anything like that. But you're wrong.
And there's a guy in New Zealand who wants to
get rid of your cat. I'll tell you all the
details coming up on Animal Radio News and we'll be.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Having this guy on the show in just a few
minutes to find out all the details about what he
wants to do. Some people say he's crazy, some people
say he's right on. Hey, Bridget, how are you doing?

Speaker 22 (14:32):
Hi good, How are you good?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Well?

Speaker 22 (14:35):
I got a four months old puppy. I got him
last weekends. I've only had him a week. I'm a
truck driver and he's got a food issue. Every time
I go to eat something, he demands some of it.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
Oh, he's got an issue. He's got the issue.

Speaker 23 (14:52):
Hey, Bridget, let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
What do you do every time he demands some of it?

Speaker 22 (14:56):
I turn my back on him, and he sits behind
me like he can he gets mad.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
He's not getting mad. Okay, Bridget, let's talk about let's
talk about firstly, do you eat in the truck?

Speaker 22 (15:10):
Yeah, my truck?

Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yes, all right. Why don't you just take your dog
and lock him in the back of the truck while
you eat so he can't even see you eating.

Speaker 22 (15:20):
Oh okay, okay.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Just do that and I'll tell you how to do it, Bridget.
Just start eating. As soon as your dog starts acting
like a lunatic wacko, turn your back on him, pay
no attention to him. Eat for about five minutes, calmly, stop,
pick your dog up and put him in the back
of the truck so he makes the connection that while
you're eating, he's going to be locked up if he

(15:44):
acts like that. And do it over and over and
over again, and then start introducing the word or the
or a sound like sh so that he understands that
that's not the behavior you want.

Speaker 23 (15:56):
But don't talk to him.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Don't talk to him, don't look at him, don't give
him any attention at all. Just pick him up and
remove him so that he starts to make the association.
When my mom is eating, I've got to behave myself
and be quiet, and then introduce the corrective words and
then teach him to go to a spot and lay
there while you eat, and do the step by step,

(16:19):
step by step bridget slowly over time, because he's only
four months old and they're very crazy. They have a
lot a lot of energy, a lot of a you know,
they don't have a large attention span, so it's going
to take you some time. But just don't buy into it.
He's not mad at you. He's just trying to get
attention from you and it's working. So the way to
to control that and combat that is to not give

(16:41):
him any attention. When he's doing whatever it is you
don't want him to do. Okay, okay, when he's doing
what you do want him to do, you tell him
he's a good dog.

Speaker 22 (16:51):
Okay, okay, that's what's out. I'm trying to eat. Otherwise,
he's great.

Speaker 23 (16:58):
Just lock him up.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
So he can't even and see you, and do it
just the way I said.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
And over about two.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Three month period, he's gonna calm down and learn. Also
feed him after you're done eating, never while you're eating,
and don't put the food down right away, hold it
and just stare off into space for a minute so
he starts to understand. You control the food. You're in charge.

Speaker 22 (17:18):
Ah, okay, I can do that.

Speaker 14 (17:20):
Great.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
I love you, Bridget, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Thanks for your call. We appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
If the if you didn't start feeding your dog from
the from your hand or table food to begin with,
you probably wouldn't have that problem. It's funny because my
mother in law, my mother would just rescue the rescue
the pitbull type mix and great dog, great female, and
the dog when everyone was around the table eating and

(17:46):
the dog didn't bother anyone. And after about two weeks
and my mother in law she she likes to eat,
and she, you know, feeds the dog a little bit,
feeds the dog a little bit. Now you can't even
open up three, refrigerate him without the dog looking and
wagging its tail and jumping on you.

Speaker 7 (18:05):
So you know what, don't feed the dog to begin with.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Absolutely, I was going to tell you guys a story.
We got time for a quick story. This is an
insane story. It's funnier. It was nineteen eighty eight Super
Bowl Sunday. I was invited to an Italian guy's house
in Chicago. I had an Airdale shepherd brought him over
there and I said, Cody, go downstay. And he's got
the dog with the spots on it.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
What the heck are they called? Again?

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Dalmatian, dalmat He's got a Dalmatian and some sort of mix,
and they're just lunatics. They're running around all over the place.
And one of them, the Dalmatian, jumps on the table,
grabs the ham and runs off with it, and the
wife is chasing the dog. And so I'm sitting there
and the guy comes up to me goes, how the
heck do you get your dog to sit there like that?
How do you do that? And I go, well, what's
your what's your biggest problem? What would you like your

(18:47):
dog to stop doing? Give me one thing? And we're
sitting at the table and he says, I'd like my
dog to stop begging. And as he's saying this to me,
he's feeding his dog. Unconsciously. He's just feeding his dog
from the table, the one that's stole the ham.

Speaker 23 (19:01):
And I said, buddy, you.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Gotta lock your This is at a time where crates
were thought to be cruel.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
I said, you gotta get a crate.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
You gotta lock him up first of all, when you eat.
He goes, I can't do that. That's so mean, And
I go, no, what's mean is what you're doing now,
because don't you get mad sometimes when your dog begs
and he goes, oh yeah, I get really mad and
I wap him on the nose with a newspaper and
it does no good, And I go, you.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
Mean to tell me that's not mean.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Your dog doesn't even know why you're whapping them on
the nose, because you're feeding them sometimes and sometimes you're not.
He can't make the distinction. He doesn't understand what you're doing.

Speaker 7 (19:34):
That's why he's nuts. Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (19:37):
It would have been a funnier story if you would
have said About ten minutes later, they asked me if
I wanted a piece of ham.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
No, that dog took the ham. I don't know where
it went, but they never found it. He ran outside,
he went into the garage through his doggy door, and
the ham was never seen again. And I don't think
he hate it. I think he buried it out there
somewhere for later.

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This is an animal Radio news update.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
I'm Stacy Cohen for Animal Radio. Well, newspapers have a
lot of use. We use them for a lot of things.
I mean when my kids were in school, we used
to obviously wrap their books with them. You could wash
windows with them. It doesn't streak, and the old standby.
You can potty train your puppies with them. San Francisco
puppies that are getting an assist from the Public Library
and their quest to become potty trained. With more people

(21:38):
reading newspapers digitally, public contributions of newspaper to line cages
that animal care and control have actually gone down. It's
become a problem. The San Francisco Chronicle says. The Public Library, though,
has intervened. They've stepped up and they will now donate
all of the two thousand newspapers that they go through
every month. Animal Care says the library's ongoing gift will

(21:59):
take care of all their newspaper needs for their little
quote poop machines. A long time Las Vegas headliner now
has a spider named after him. Jason Bond with Alabama's
Auburn University has named a species of trapdoor spider for
the illusionists, Pendulette. The rest colored spider is native to
the desert near Nevada's nuclear testing facility. In real life,

(22:21):
the vocal half of Penn and Teller told The Review
Journal he's likely to quote scream like a little girl
at the sight of a spider. Iran said they launched
a live monkey into space. I don't know if you
saw the pictures. This poor little monkey, I don't know.
I feel bad for me. It was strapped in this
little padded seat as eyes were biggest quarters. They were

(22:42):
seeking to show off missile systems that have alarmed the
West because the technology could potentially be used to deliver
a nuclear warhead. The Defense Ministry announced the launch as
world powers sought to agree a date and venue with
Iran for resuming talks to resolve a standoff with the West.
Efforts to nail down on a meeting have failed repeatedly.
In the power sphere, Iran as exploiting the diplomatic vacuum

(23:04):
to hone the means to produce nuclear weapons. The Defence
ministry said the space launch of the monkey coincided with
the days of the prophet Mohammed's birthday, but they didn't
give the date of his birthday. According to a statement
that was carried by the official news agency IRNA, the
launch was another giant step in space technology and biological research,

(23:26):
which is the monopoly of a few countries. The statement said.
The small little gray monkey, as I said, was pictured
strapped into a padded seat and he was loaded into
this rocket that was dubbed Pioneer, which state media said
reached a height of more than seventy five miles. This
shipment returned safely to Earth with the anticipated speed, along
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Speaker 2 (24:32):
Here's hol and Judy Today we're going to talk to
this guy who wants to eradicate all the pet cats
from New Zealand. Bit a big news story here in
the United States.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Too, Arena, it's making headlines.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Just keep them indoors. We don't have to get rid
of any cats. Let's not be extreme here. Didn't the cats,
like didn't they get rid of plague at one point
in time in history? You would think, I thought, so.

Speaker 15 (24:52):
Yeah, Well, they're such avid hunters, so they take care
of road engine bird populations.

Speaker 10 (24:57):
So well, that's the problem is the bird populations with
this guy's problem.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Is well, we'll talk to him in just a few
minutes right here on Animal Radio. Also, Joey's going to
tell us about this anesthesia free dentistry that groomers are
doing now and it's a big no no if you
want to avoid that. That's all anyway, right here on
Animal Radio right now, we welcome to the show doctor
Justine Lee. She's the associate director of itinary Services at
the Pet Poison Helpline, and she says, there are common

(25:24):
pet toxins lurking inside your home. You probably have every
single one of them. Welcome to the show, Doc, Thanks
for having.

Speaker 19 (25:31):
Me on the show. You know, it's interesting a lot
of the toxines that we get called about are actually
based on the kitchen foods that we eat. So you're
obviously not going to get rid of your kitchen food.
You just have to make sure that you appropriately pet
proof your house. And most people aren't aware our top
five poisons that dogs get into. Three of them are food,
so grapes and raisins, sugar free zylotl, and chocolate.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Okay, now I've heard different things about chocolate, and I
get calls about this all the time. Some people say
that it's so some docs say it's not. Okay, what
is the lowdown on chocolate?

Speaker 19 (26:04):
The true answer is it's the dose that makes the poison.
So really everything's poisonous. Oxygen, water, salt, it is how
much you get into And so most of the time
when it comes to chocolate, if your dog eats, you know,
a couple of cookies, the chocolate chip cookies in it,
it's not gonna be a big deal. But it's all
size dependent. So how big your dog is, how small
he is if he has underlying heart problems. My little

(26:26):
shortcut is the darker and the more bitter the chocolate,
the more dangerous it is. So white chocolate is not
a big deal.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Get if they get a flavor for chocolate, Like if
you start giving it to them because you think it's
not that poisonous or you've heard that it's not that poisonous,
then they get a taste for it, and then they
go for it every time they see it, and then
they end up eating all of the Halloween chocolate. That's
a problem is unfortunately.

Speaker 19 (26:49):
Yeah, if you want to be careful, especially during the holidays.
In fact, Pet Poison Helpline we're basically an animal poison
control be set in Minneapolis. We actually get a ton
of phone calls during all the hot holidays, and we
associate all the holidays with chocolate. So Valentine's Day, Christmas,
there's chocolate under the Christmas tree, you know, Halloween, so
really important to make sure that you're keeping it out

(27:10):
of reach of your pets.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
So you said three of the top five are our foods.
What are the other What are the other two?

Speaker 19 (27:18):
I would say most people are surprised by this, but
one of the top the other top two are human medications.
One our human ENSNSE what we call non storytal anti inflammatories,
So these are painkillers are anti inflammatories. And you know
there's a dog form, there's also a human form. So
we all know, you know, never give your cat tail
and all never give your dog an advil or a

(27:41):
leave tablet. It was a really really poisonous but we
all have it in our house, we all have in
our purse.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
So these poisons, when you're saying it's not like they're
getting into it, it's like we're giving it to them, it's.

Speaker 19 (27:51):
Actually both okay, So what we're seeing is actually when
dogs aren't create trained appropriately and you know there's a
big bottle of eyboprofen that you just bought from Costs Go,
and they get into all thousand tablets of it all
at once, and that's life threatening.

Speaker 10 (28:05):
Well, people also leave their pills on their nightstands next
to their bed.

Speaker 15 (28:09):
Absolutely, and doctorally, I have to say, I'm as a veterinarian.
My dog has had chocolate toxicity and he's also gotten
into a large bottle of pheno propylenemine.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
So the one thing.

Speaker 15 (28:21):
That I think you would probably agree is Labrador retrievers.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
If you got them, you got to watch them like
a hawk.

Speaker 19 (28:27):
Absolutely, and zact our top two breeds that call into
pet poison help. One want our labradors because they love
to eat everything. Another one are mixed feed dogs. And
you know it's probably based on popularity to breed, but
some dogs are just you know, chowhounds will eat anything.
They eat their own, you know, poop. So we obviously
want to pet prove the house appropriately.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Doctor Davie, I was going to ask you what the
most strange poisoning you've seen in your office, but I
have a feeling I know what it is. You you've
had marijuana poisonings, pot poisoning animals getting into their their
owner's stash. Is that correct?

Speaker 11 (28:58):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Sure?

Speaker 23 (28:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (28:59):
And the actually I'm sure doctor Lee will say, is
even not that uncommon. It's very common actually in some area.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
So yes, that's.

Speaker 19 (29:07):
Right, depending on where you live, like especially in Colorado
once they allowed medicinal pot. Unfortunately, we were seeing a
lot of dogs that were poisoned by it. And the
most dangerous form is actually you know, when people make
pot butter or pot brown and then their dogs get
into it and now they have a double poisoning from
the chocolate or from the oil of the butter too.

Speaker 10 (29:27):
Well, then they don't want to admit what happens, so
they say, I don't know what happened to my dog.
They don't really give you the background, so you can't
really treat it immediately and approperly because they're afraid to
say absolutely.

Speaker 19 (29:36):
And I always tell people, you know, we're not the police,
we're not the DEA. All we care about is treating
our pets. So you really do want to be honest
about owning up to it so we can treat your
dog as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Okay, I want listeners to write down this phone number
that you're going to give us. Sure, this is for
the Pet poison Helpline. If you suspect your animal's gotten
into something and you need to find out where to
go next, I suggest you give this number.

Speaker 19 (29:59):
A call one eight hundred two one three six six
eight zero. And I always tell people pre program your
cell phone with your vet phone number, the local emergency
clinic and also an animal poison control right into your
cell phone, so you always have access. Most importantly, don't
give any kind of you know, medications or milk or food,

(30:20):
or don't try to induce vomiting without talking to your
veterinarian first or talking to pet poison helpline first, because
sometimes it's more dangerous and it can make your animal,
your pet more sick. So when in doubt, just get
the poison away from your pet, get them out of
the room, and then consult with a veterinarian or an
animal poison control just to see if it's appropriate to
induce vomiting to begin with.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
What is that product?

Speaker 10 (30:41):
I can't think of it.

Speaker 19 (30:45):
Yes, don't use that anymore. In fact, even in human medicine,
the use of SYRP at the CAC is no longer recommended.
In fact, I've seen actually unfortunately a dog died from
it when the pet owner was trying to be helpful
and induce vomiting and dog ended up dying from it.
So one in doubt the only thing that we recommend
for pet owners, if appropriate, is hydrogen prooxide. We don't

(31:07):
even recommend salt anymore. And the key thing is for
cat owners listening. There's nothing you can give Cindy's vomiting
at home for cats, there's nothing that's safe. So one
in doubt, you just have to go with your veterinarian
or give us a call for more information.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
You got to give them a hairball. They'll vomit exactly.

Speaker 19 (31:24):
So that's the frustrating thing. They vomit all the time
at home, but they don't vomit when we want them
to vomit.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Okay, So there should be two numbers in your fast
redial there. One should be your veterinary and then of
course the Pet poison Helpline at one eight hundred and
two one three six six eight zero. And we'll put
that over at the website at Animal radio dot com.
Doctor Justin Lee, thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 19 (31:44):
Today, no prom thanks for having me on the show.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
We'll head back to the phones.

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Speaker 2 (33:03):
Can call now to speak to animal communicator Joy Turner.
We have John on the phone. Hey John, how are
you doing.

Speaker 26 (33:10):
I'm well, Thank you, good morning, Thanks for the call.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
How can Joy help you?

Speaker 26 (33:14):
I was curious about my dog Tuley. She is she's
she's been jumping on the bed and her lately. So
I have a sheet that I put over the bed.
Holes in that now, so now I've resorted to closing
the bedroom doors. I've also put my on the bed
so she has a sense so digging for it.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
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Speaker 26 (33:39):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Okay?

Speaker 23 (33:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
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Speaker 9 (33:43):
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Speaker 26 (33:43):
My dog Tuley is scratching bed. I'm sorry. So she
jumps up when I go to work and sleeps up.
But she's been scratching the comforter and I put the
sheet up there and she scratched a hole in the
sheet as well.

Speaker 12 (34:00):
Okay, So what you'd like to know from her is
why is she scratching anything other than the sheet or
the bed? Or is it just the sheet and the bed?

Speaker 26 (34:08):
It's the sheet and the bed.

Speaker 12 (34:10):
Is she scratching anything other than the sheet and the bed.

Speaker 26 (34:14):
No, she's not just the sheet and the bed.

Speaker 12 (34:17):
Okay. So what I'm going to do is ask her
what's going on with the bed because to her, it's
not so much the sheet, it's more the bed. And
when I asked her, she says, do you know that
there's something in there that she doesn't like. There's something
that she's hearing, something, she's smelling something, and she doesn't
like what's in there. So yes, I don't know. If

(34:39):
you live in a place, my brain might would say
maybe there's bed bugs or something in there, because what
she's showing me it sounds like is could be some
kind of critter in there or although it could also
be something like dust mites. So my suggestion would be,
look for a product that you can actually spray on
your bed that is human and animal friendly. I know

(35:03):
that there are some out there that might do things
that kill dust mites, and try doing that. Because when
I'm asking her if she's going to actually stop now
that she knows that you know what she's doing, she
says no because she thinks you really need to do
something about it.

Speaker 26 (35:22):
Okay, yeah, we're extremely clean, you know, and if you
watch the sheets weekly and they have a new comfort
to cover and down comforter.

Speaker 12 (35:30):
In that, well, from my understanding, it really doesn't have
anything to do about how clean you keep your bed.
More dust mites, for instance, just we shed skin when
we sleep and those kinds of things. From my understanding
they're always there or very often they're in bedside. I
don't know. I haven't actually ever had my bed checked.
I think I don't want to. You know, I might

(35:52):
not like what I find inside there, but she's not
liking what's in.

Speaker 26 (35:56):
There, and she can hear that she can.

Speaker 12 (35:59):
Dogs have amazing hearing. Okay, if you want to train
her to stop doing that is talk to Alan and
see if he can suggest to you how you might
train her to stop. But she tells me she's not
going to so I don't know that the training's going
to work.

Speaker 26 (36:14):
But then for now, I'll keep the door closed.

Speaker 23 (36:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
I don't know what the dog is thinking, but I
do know that that's a very common behavior. Any compulsive
behavior and a dog is common scratching, licking, chewing, things
like that. And the first thing, of course, is you
check out your dog with the vet and make sure
there's you know, there's nothing going on or that there's
you know, nothing going on on the dog's body that

(36:39):
is making your dog do that. But my guess is,
you know, Joy, you're probably right, and if not, he
any kind of behavior that a dog exhibits, Just so
people know, any kind of behavior.

Speaker 23 (36:51):
When you feed into that behavior.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
When you give a dog any kind of attention, any
kind of attention, talking to him, telling him to stop
any reaction, it all reinforces the behavior. Because dogs are
all about attention. And if you're gonna do something, and
if they're gonna do something and you're gonna pay attention
to it, then they're gonna keep doing it. So the
best way to keep a dog from doing something is

(37:14):
to give the dog absolutely no attention at all, ignore
the behavior and the dog, and you have to be consistent.
There is no fast fix. It takes time to change
a dog's behavior.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
What if you created the dog? If is that giving attention?

Speaker 23 (37:29):
No, that's a great thing to do. I mean, creating
a dog is a great thing to do.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
And not talking and not looking at the dog, just
putting them in the crate. People mess up by talking
to their dogs, talking, reacting, staring at hand, gesture, shrugging
of shoulders, all these things. You're giving a dog attention.
And a dog's got to think about it. A dog
is like a kid. He's got nothing but time on
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(37:56):
your dog attention in the past for something. It's gonna
be a long time before you figures it out that, oh,
this doesn't work anymore. I'm not going to be able
to get attention doing this anymore. So they won't give
up for a long time. It's a contest of discipline
and will, and dogs need discipline.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
I'm supposed to. You can't be an Italian. Listen, I'm
an Italian. I tolk with my hands, I'm loud, I
give dirty looks. I mean, you just cut me off.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
I told you the story the Italian guy went over
to his house for Super Bowl. I'm you had two
dogs begging, and the one dog grabbed the ham off
the table and ran away with it. It was so funny.
And my dog was there just laying there watching the
whole thing. It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Doctor Debbie is here answering your vet medical questions, dog
trainer Alan Cable, dogfather Joey Vallani, and animal communicator Joy Turner.
And today we're going to talk to this guy in
New Zealand who's starting problems in the United States. And
he lives in New Zealand. But everybody's questioning whether or
not cats should be outdoors. If they're attacking the birds.
This guy in New Zealand wants to get rid of
cats all together.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
People don't think out the consequences of what they're doing,
and sometimes it's not possible no matter how smart they are.
In New York, they have eight times the rat population
is the human population. They've been trying to eradicate rats
for the last hundred years and they can't.

Speaker 23 (39:08):
Do it well.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
And we can't just do a mass extinction of of
you know, of cats. You know, I mean, let's let's
let's get all these cats in euthanized. It don't make
any sense to me. I mean, we have to start.

Speaker 7 (39:21):
We gotta do is.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
We gotta be responsible for what we're doing. We got
to start controlling the population. Cats do reproduce rapidly. But
you know what, let's start now, let's start staying in neutering.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
Let's start being responsible pet owners.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
And if we can do that, I mean, what we're
looking for here is the quick fix. You know, when
we're the blame, Well, let's let the human race take
on some of this blame here and be responsible for Okay,
let's a lot easier.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
It's just it's all, it's all crazy stuff. And the
other thing is isn't it time for birds to wisen up?
I mean, gosh, they're the ones who can fly.

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Celebrating our connection with our pets. This is Animal Radio.
Here are your hosts, cal Abrams and Judy Francis.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Welcome, my friend. This hour, we're gonna talk to the
guy who wants to eradicate all the pets from New Zealand,
not all the pets, all the cats from New Zealand.
Is he a net job or does he have a
valid case. You've probably seen the news stories here in
the United States in your newspaper how cats are really
messing with the ecosystem with birds. Now, of course, I've
always said that you should have your cat indoors anyway,

(41:30):
they live a longer life.

Speaker 15 (41:32):
Safer, keep them out of trouble, and then they will
get a bad rep in the neighborhood.

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Also on the way, Joey is going to tell us
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That's all with you, Thank you, Joey.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
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Speaker 5 (41:49):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Laurie, Hi, where are you calling from today?

Speaker 27 (41:51):
I'm calling from West Reading, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh, listening on WEEU. Thank you so much. What's going on?
With your animals, I have.

Speaker 27 (42:00):
We took in a cat. We have three cats. We
had three cats, one diet of diabetes in Apriles, so
we took in another cat that was stray in our neighborhood.
Big Boy and male, and one of our females who's
ten years old, does not get along with Big Boy
and they usually would just growl at each other, you know,
and that's it. And he's not a bier. He's very affectionate.
He's a love really, but she does not like him.

(42:21):
They don't like each other. Now, we haven't had any
major problems because at night we have a huge cage
for Big Boy that he used to sleep and now
we let him loose at night. And the problem that
we're having is that the snickers the cat is beginning
to sometimes drop poo which is solid on the carpet,
and she has urinated twice now, you know, in the
living room and in the bedroom. And the problem that

(42:42):
we're trying to figure out is how can we stop that.
I used to kind away diffuse her when we brought
him in about nine months ago, and we use the
remedy solution you know that you can get. So we
don't know what to do to prevent that, because we
want to keep our carpet nice, and we're getting our
carpet clean. What can we do to keep Snickers I'm
being afraid of Big Boy? And yet they will eat together.

(43:04):
And when my husband sits on the couch, Big Boy
will sit on the floor and the one cat will
be on the couch next to him, and Snickers will
be at his shoulder on the arm rest of the couch.
So what do you do to make her less afraid
of him? And we do have immunication of at least
we have had him out of the cage at night,
and sometimes you hear a little growling and then when
she gets scared she will throw up, or just recently

(43:25):
she started doing that.

Speaker 15 (43:27):
Though a lot depends on how we manage these situations
by what is physically happening happening with the kiddies at
the time. So if we're a lot of times if
it's limited to growling, posturing, hissing, we've got a little
bit more wiggle room because we may not have a

(43:48):
physical altercation going on.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
If we've actually got fighting biting, were.

Speaker 27 (43:53):
Fighting, No, no, no, there's no biting. It's just the growling.
And now though it's the physical that she lets her
territory be known by, you know, pupping on the carpet
or twice urinating. Now that's what bothers us because of
the you know, the smell, and he does. He's been
fixed to newded, they've all been neutered, they're all fixed,
they all have chipped. But you know, the other thing

(44:14):
is we've changed litter boxes because we feel but he
makes the litter boxes own and there's you know, he
goes in all of them. And I think sometimes she's
afraid if if we have him out of the cage
at night, that he's afraid to go. She's afraid to
go downstairs for fear that she's going to be bullied
by him. He doesn't hurt him, but they just don't
like each other. So I don't know how to get
this because we can't deal with this the pope and

(44:36):
the urine markings, you know, and that's just happened now.

Speaker 15 (44:39):
Right, And before we make that conclusion that she's urinating
and defecating because she's urine marking, that may not necessarily
be the situation. It could be an aversion to those locations.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
And you kind of alluded to that.

Speaker 15 (44:53):
So there it isn't always that she's saying, hey, you know,
this is my spot.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
I'm going to hear defeicate here.

Speaker 15 (44:58):
She could just be afraid of physically crossing the house
or going down the stairs or going to where she
might encounter him. So the trick can be is sometimes
when we have a cat who's an aggressor, they may
be actually kind of starting the offensive and they may
be starting the growl or the posturing or making the
eye contact to the other cat and intimidating them in

(45:19):
that way.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
So but in some cases it's actually the other cat.

Speaker 15 (45:23):
The one that is actually appearing to be fearful, that
can actually trigger the attack.

Speaker 27 (45:28):
So she does that, she will growl at him. I
mean he can just be like two feet away from
him and she will growl at him. And then she'll
be under the table and she will growl and she
will show her aggressiveness exactly, you.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Know, exactly, and I.

Speaker 15 (45:44):
Equate this, you know where your female cat, the way
she's behaving, it's almost like my little sister when we're
a kids, and she'd stick her tongue out at me
across the room. It's nonverbal communication. You know, she's not
threatening me in any way, but she's antagonizing me. And
so when aggressor cat, when they're faced with some kind
of physical what looks like a fearful response, they may

(46:05):
actually be triggered to respond aggressively just because they see
that and they think, this is what I'm supposed to do,
because I know she's going to break out next. So
in some kidies, and and this gets a little complicated,
some of the simple things we can try. Definitely the
feel away, I like that idea. It's very important to
also increase the amount of the kitty resources in the house.
And a resource to a cat is food, water bowls,

(46:27):
litter pans, nesting or perching sites. And this may be
a situation where if we're not going to do physical separation,
then we may need to look into some drug therapy here.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
These are very complicated issues.

Speaker 15 (46:40):
In anyone who's had a cat with a kind of
aggression problems like this, they can attest that the fearful response,
the aggressive response they have is it's so intense that
the effect can last for quite some time. So if
a cat has an inner cat altercation and they're aggressive, they.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
May be agitated for days.

Speaker 15 (46:59):
So physically separating them is very important if we have
any hostility going on, and that may be just for
a few hours, but it can even be up to
four or five days in some cats because they are
just mentally agitated and then the sight of the other
cat just reawakens all those sensations that they're having.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
So that is a very important thing. So not that
putting him in a.

Speaker 15 (47:17):
Cage isn't necessarily the same thing, because that's like my
sister across the table, just you know, twenty feet away,
where she could still stick her tongue out at me
and make me mad. So you need to make sure
that they're actually physically separated where they can't see people
see themselves directly, but they don't tell each other.

Speaker 27 (47:34):
And he doesn't bite, he's not a biting cat, but
you know she aggurvates it because you can hear her growling.

Speaker 15 (47:38):
The one thing that I would definitely the direction I
would go with things as far as with behaviorally. There's
a lot of environmental things we can definitely do, but
the direction I would certainly look at is making sure
that she has a full health assessment, have her checked out,
because she might be the first kiddy that I would
talk about, you know, using some drug therapy. So for
a cat that's really fearful, we might use medications that

(48:00):
helped decrease their anxiety, things like alpraslam or valium, and
that might help take her fears down so.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Help to not have these episodes. That's one way to go.

Speaker 15 (48:12):
Sometimes we'll medicate the aggressor kitty if that seems more appropriate.
So it definitely is going to take some work with
your veterinarian, and I don't think you're going to be
able to fix this completely on your own, and I
would you're doing some things that are really very good,
and one is that using food as a positive reward,
and that is just a natural thing. You know, cats

(48:33):
love food, so you should really spare that for when
you want to put the kiddies together, when they're in
a calm, non agitated state, and that's when the food
comes out, and you can even make it a special treat,
you know, that's when the can food comes out or
a special treat that they really like, and as long
as they're behaving calmly, quietly, there's no posturing, there's no hissing,
then that food makes it a good experience and then

(48:55):
you say.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Okay, that's a n uugh, let's separate you guys.

Speaker 15 (48:57):
We were going to end on a good note and
you know, that's a good therapy session. So that's the
kind of thing you can work with at home.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
You got a lot of work here.

Speaker 15 (49:05):
I definitely I feel for you, Lorii, so let me
know how some of those initial things go, and definitely
get her checked out, make sure she's okay, and then
you know, we'll see if we need to go to
the next step with medicine.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Thank thank you for your call, Laurie. We appreciate it.
We have dog father Joey Volani here. He's telling you
how to groom your animals, giving you all the tips,
and today he's going to be talking about anesthesia free dentistry.
And when I bring this up, doctor Debbie Kids.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
I get mad.

Speaker 15 (49:31):
I really rant on this topic and I think I
have talked about it before.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
So I'm glad that Joey is on my side with us.

Speaker 15 (49:37):
And you know the first thing that I would medically
point out is that the two structure of dogs and cats,
forty percent of it is above the gum line and
sixty percent is below the gum line.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
So anytime we do things that are.

Speaker 15 (49:48):
Cosmetic to just clean the charter off the teeth without
really getting to the nitty gritty, and then we're really
not doing the pet any service and thinking you are
by you know, keeping him awake and picking at the teeth.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
It really doesn't do anything.

Speaker 15 (49:59):
You've just actually giving yourself the false sense of security
on that. I've even had a dog almost paralyzed because
it was struggling during the cleaning, believe.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
It or not.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
So I remember that one time that I was chipping
away at Boog's plaque with my fingers. You got very
upset at me for that.

Speaker 15 (50:15):
Yes, yes you don't want to just start picking at
that tooth.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
And you know, the good.

Speaker 15 (50:20):
Cleanings are good to come by your veterinary office and
then you follow up with brushing at home.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
That's the way we manage home care.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Very good. Okay, Well, Joey will be talking about this
in just a few minutes. Alan Cable, our dog trainer
extraordinaire is here and if you have any questions vaccine
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(52:23):
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You're listening to animal radio. Here's hol and Judy.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Let's go to Neil. Hey, Neil, how are you doing?

Speaker 14 (54:06):
Not bad? How you doing?

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (54:08):
I've got a three year old female Doberman pincer and
when she was two years old we had her fixed,
and every sense is she got fixed, or every since
we got her fixed, she has had trouble holding her
urine whenever she whenever she lays down and goes to sleep,

(54:28):
when she gets into a deep sleep, she just leaks
all over her bed. And you can tell that in
her face. She knows, Hey, I've done something bad and
know God and you know the deal. You know. It's
like catching a little kid that just went to bed
and don't want to tell you about it. She feels
so guilty, but of course she can't scold her because

(54:50):
it's an accident exactly, you know what I mean. So
I took her back to the vet. She goes to
the vet all the time, you know, and the doctor,
our veterinarian, is give us this medication. It's very expensive
and I can't remember the name of it, but we're
supposed to give her the pill in the morning when

(55:12):
she eats, and a pill around noon, and uh, of
course we we uh don't give her a lot of water. Okay. Now,
whenever she goes outside, she'll whenever she needs to go outside,
she'll smack the cow bell. We'll take her outside. And
her urine is is very dark and you can smell it.

Speaker 15 (55:34):
Okay, all righty, So how is no is she still
on this medicine and is it helping her?

Speaker 14 (55:39):
Well, yes, and no, uh, it is helping her not
wet the bed. I mean it's like it's it's we're
spending a lot of money masking a problem.

Speaker 15 (55:49):
Okay, Well, a couple of things from what you're saying now.
The first thing that we'll just want to go over
is that that female dogs can definitely develop some incontinence issues.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
And it basically is most common when we.

Speaker 15 (56:02):
Hear stories of dogs that are sleeping or they're coming
from a lying position and they get up and then
you find a puddle of urine. So for that in
a female dog, yes, and most often they are spade.
So for some dogs it can actually be related to
an estrogen deficiency. In other dogs, it's just a matter
of the urethral sphincter and it's just not working well.
So there are some great options to help pets that

(56:25):
have this. Now, if you're looking for a fix for it,
you got it.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
And it's probably going to be a pill.

Speaker 15 (56:30):
As far as there are some more in I don't
want say invasive, but some more corrective things, but they're
usually involving putting collagen in the bladder and injections, and
it's really not something we recommend for the average pet.
For most dogs that have this, they can be well
controlled with medications. Now I'm not sure which one your
pet is on, but there is a couple different ones

(56:51):
we can choose from. One is called phenol propylamine also
known as PPA, and it's usually given two to three
times a day, and it helps to improve the tone
in the urinary sphincter and for a lot of dogs
that may be all they need to control their symptoms.
For other dogs, that may not do enough, and we

(57:12):
may go into a more of an estrogen compound and
those may be given typically only maybe once or twice
a week. Because there's definitely good and bad.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
With all these medicines.

Speaker 15 (57:22):
I can tell you my own female dog thirteen and
a half year old gal. She has urinary incontinence and
she's had it since an early age.

Speaker 14 (57:31):
Did it just happen overnight?

Speaker 4 (57:33):
It can, Yeah, it definitely can.

Speaker 15 (57:36):
The big question is, and granted I don't know all
the details of your pet's health, but when we do
diagnose this type of problem, we want to make sure
we're not missing something else, because there's a lot of
other reasons that can cause a dog to produce a
lot of urine and not be able to hold it.
And I've actually found a high amount of dogs that
start doing this kind of urine leakage. We may treat

(57:56):
them with a urinary continence medicine, but we're not really
maybe always catching the real problem. And I found that
some dogs are actually developing they have a kidney problem,
a liver problem, or some other disorder, and it just
makes them drink more and.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
They can't hold their urine.

Speaker 15 (58:10):
So if we just treat for the trying to make
them hold their urine, we're not really getting to the
heart of things. So if your vet hasn't done a
full blood panel, I would recommend that.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
The other thing, and it kind.

Speaker 15 (58:20):
Of concerns me when you say your dog's urine is dark,
and that you're restricting urine. We should never restrict water
for a dog that has an excessive thirst.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
There could be a lot of negatives with that.

Speaker 15 (58:32):
So now maybe right before bedtime you have to.

Speaker 14 (58:37):
Really watch the toilet seat, get a drink out of
the toil.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Yeah, I mean anything that's available.

Speaker 14 (58:44):
I mean it's water, you know, I mean, but so
for me, it's because her tongue is actually dry.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Okay, well you need to get this baby checked out.

Speaker 13 (58:54):
Go do.

Speaker 15 (58:57):
I'm going to give you a prescription for getting a
blood panel pulled on her, and I would definitely get
a yurine sample. And the reason is that a lot
of dogs on urinary continence medicines can actually develop retention.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Urinary tracks and infection.

Speaker 15 (59:11):
So we've kind of messed with their ability to hold
their urine and that sometimes can allow bacteria to flourish
in the bladder longer.

Speaker 14 (59:18):
I guess what's bothering me more is, Okay, the vetinarian
will only give me two weeks worth of pills for her,
and she's charging me an office visit every two weeks. Wow,
and this is really starting to add up. I'm sure, Okay,
I mean, I mean she's an awesome dog. She's got

(59:38):
a very important job. Her job is to babysit my daughter.
My daughter is a twenty six year old woman physically,
but mentally she's about five years old. And if any
jackass ever came to the door and said, hey, Dad
told me to take you bowling, well she grab her
bowl and ball of shoes and be gone with some stranger.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (01:00:00):
Her job is to sound like I'm going to eat
you if you open this door.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Well, hey, Neil, this is what I would my advice.

Speaker 15 (01:00:06):
And this isn't maybe coming from a veterinarian, but you know,
if if you're having trouble communicating with your veterinarian trying
to find it a solution and you feel like you're
not getting anywhere, have a heart to heart. This is
this is where you know you're trying to find a solution.
Get her on a medicine and hopefully check her out
and make sure she's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
So if you don't feel like you're getting what you need.

Speaker 15 (01:00:27):
Sometimes you're getting a second opinion is always well worth it.
You know, hopefully your vet's just kind of being extra
vigilant and looking out for her health. But you know
we need a little bit more I guess explanation on
what their intents are there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
We've done that, We've chopped for new vets. It's not
something you know. If you're unhappy with your bet that
that you're happy with. We appreciate your call, Neil, good
luck with that.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Judy boy can't go far picking up a newspaper and
finding out that there's a lot of controversy going on
with birds and cats this week, and not only. NBC
Nightly News reported just this last week that three point
six billion birds per year are killed by cats outdoor cats.
And about two weeks ago, I picked up an article

(01:02:23):
in me uh, where is this? What paper? This was
in the tribune and the local paper. Okay, there's a gentleman,
doctor Gareth Morgan is a pretty simple dream. He wants
a New Zealand free of cats that threaten the native birds,
and we welcome him to the show. Doctor, how are
you doing today?

Speaker 17 (01:02:40):
I'm fine, Thanks, nice to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Now tell us New Zealand is one of the most
populated cat countries in the world. It has like one
of the most the highest amount of cats in the world,
is that correct?

Speaker 17 (01:02:52):
Yes, it is forty eight to the households have one
or more kit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Wow, that's pretty high.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
And many of them are door cats. And I guess
there's a bird problem. Tell us give me the backstory here.

Speaker 11 (01:03:04):
Well.

Speaker 17 (01:03:04):
New Zealand's native fauna is predominantly walking birds. We do
have flying birds, and we had lots of you know, lizards, geckos, skinks,
that sort of thing. New Zealand originally had no predators whatever,
and now we have a lot of predators that have
been introduced by the settlers, you know, one hundred years ago,

(01:03:25):
one hundred and fifty now, and those predator numbers have
just increased and increased, so stoats, spirits, cats as we talked.

Speaker 9 (01:03:34):
About, and sion.

Speaker 17 (01:03:36):
So you know, Aian Zealand. The environments are big issue
here and you know, increasingly being valued, particularly when you
look overseas and live just come back from China where
the environment there is just terrible. They basically we're in
their environment. You know, the air you can hardly breathe,
the forests all decimated. As for native animals or that

(01:03:59):
they all been and so on. So the contrast between
MW Zealands what I call natural capital and the natural
capital and these heavily populated areas and the rest of
the world is getting bigger and bigger. So my argument says, hey,
we've got an amazing asset here, we need to enhance it,
not to be going the same way as so China has.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Sure, So you want to eradicate all of the cats? Now,
does that mean euthanizing cats that are alive? Now?

Speaker 17 (01:04:26):
Okay, So I guess you can sum it up on
a couple of slogans. Every cat are wanted cat would
be one, or a confined cat is a pet. Otherwise
they're a pest. So what I'm targeting here is cats
that are allowed to wander and hunt because they're our problem, really,

(01:04:47):
And those cats are both feral cats that you know
are just out in the wild these days, stray cats
that hang around rubbish tins, that sort of thing, but
also domestic cats to the extent that they wander off
their property and hunt on yours or my property. So
I'm trying to stop all those activities. So the cats
that aren't owned, the arguments here they should be cage

(01:05:10):
trapped and humanely euthanased by the local pounds. They do
this with dogs, so I'm just asking for the same
with cats because cats are causing so much damage and
we respect to own cats, domestic cats, and I you know,
my family has a cat. So let's just get this
right that if they get caught wandering, then because they're

(01:05:32):
chipped micro chipped, they are returned to the owner. And
if the local authority wants to find the owner for
the cost of recovery will that's up to the local authority.
So that's really the bottom line. All cats should be contained.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
The ecosystem is so delicate everywhere. But if you get
rid of all the cats, doesn't that lead to perhaps
a rodent problem and plague?

Speaker 17 (01:05:55):
And yeah, well remember now let's just go back. I'm
not saying get rid of all the cats. I'm saying
get rid of the wandering cats. So what people the
good old self interest comes to the fall very quickly.
What people are thinking of are the rats and the
mice getting into their and around their home. Well, their
domestic cat can look after those. That's not an issue.

(01:06:17):
In terms of the rodents out in the public areas.
We have already in place, lots of techniques to get
rid of those. You know, we have poisoning, we have
you know, there's an invention called the mouse trap that
some people might have heard us. So there's actually, you know,
a lot of ways to do that. So we're not
reliant on cats to be doing the governing of those species.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
We just got an email here and I'll paraphrase on this.
Humans have destroyed more and have done more damage to
ecosystems than cats than cats alone. Do we get rid
of the humans? And that just came in from us.

Speaker 17 (01:06:59):
I heard this a lot, and this is an argument
trying to distract from the point, trying to move us
away from the point we're talking about. I mean, I've
written books on climate change, I've written books on getting
on the decimation of the world fisheries around the world.
So this issue about cats is not to the exclusion
of any other efforts to enhance our environments and to

(01:07:20):
curb the damage by human beings. But this particular issue
is due to human beings. New Zealand does not have
any cats naturally, They've all been introduced. And when you
say to me we're interfering with nature, there is nothing
natural about breeding cats.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
We're going to take a quick break. We'll be back
with doctor Gareth Morgan, a New Zealand resident who wants
to eradicate New Zealand of cats. Right here on Animal
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Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
You looky dog. Welcome back on the phone with us
doctor Gareth Morgan, a New Zealand doctor and as you've heard,
he wants to eradicate the continent from cats. And I
know there's some pissed off cats in the studio. I
guess you're coming up against some controversy at your home. Yeah, well,
I would imagine. I'm just guessing at your website there's

(01:09:11):
you're doing a poll and seventy two percent of the
respondents are voting no. Do you so? Well, what kind
of adversity are you having right now?

Speaker 17 (01:09:18):
Well, rangers from the rational to the nutcases, you know,
But that's that's a cross section of any population. You know,
if you take any issue and take a slice through
your population, you'll get those that agree with you. You'll
get those who disagree with you but are rational and
the discussion and I'm having a lot of interchange with them,
a bit like we're having here. You know, it's fine,

(01:09:41):
And then you get the nutcases. Every sector has its nutcases.
And the way I've described this, but it's a bit
like taking on the gun lobby in the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
US act Y, you know, I'm thinking that there's there's
a happy medium, and that really is to keep your
cats inside. Don't know that we need to get rid
of the cats, but just keeping them inside as they
should be anyway, they're much safer and they'll live a
longer life if they're inside. Do you not agree?

Speaker 17 (01:10:07):
I agree with that absolutely, one hundred percent. However, I
wouldn't be as strict as that. I would say that
you could keep you within your section by using netting
and that to stop them going, you know, escaping from
your section. So but in principle, what you're talking about,
and there's research done on that too, that a cat
that's actually a kitten that's born and kept inside its

(01:10:27):
whole life actually hates going outside. Now, I just had
a debate in the UK on radio with the UK's
greatest cat lover and the most well known cat lover.
That was a lot of fun, and he said, he
said in that debate that I would feel really bad
about confining a cat indoors. That doesn't seem natural. And
my response to that was, but that's your perspective. You

(01:10:50):
know that's not necessarily the cat's perspectives. And we know
that cats that are bred and you know, grow up indoors,
hate going outside.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
I can argue that one.

Speaker 10 (01:10:59):
I have one that's been inside all his life, and
the minute that door is open, he's the first to
try to sneak out, and he gets out between your
legs faster than anything.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Grab and bring them.

Speaker 10 (01:11:08):
You know, we have these great things called catteries.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
It's an outdoor.

Speaker 10 (01:11:12):
Enclosure that's totally enclosed where the cat's able to sit outside,
smell the fresh air, get the sun, watch butterflies and stuff,
all safely confined in their own little environment.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Part of all this is is we have created this
meaning the you know, the human race.

Speaker 7 (01:11:28):
I mean this. This is another situation that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
We have created with the overpopulation of pets and then
letting them go when when when we don't want them.

Speaker 7 (01:11:37):
It's just it's it's it's a sad situation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Okay. Is there a website where we can learn more?
What is your website?

Speaker 17 (01:11:43):
The website is Cats to Go Word Cats Too Go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Okay, and we'll put links to everything you've heard on
today's show over at Animal radio dot com. Doctor Gareth Morgan,
thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
Thank you such complicated.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Issues though, but you know he's got no valid point.
But you know he's it's a little judy much over
the top.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
Yeah, he does, he does, he does. He has points.
You know, he does have valid points.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
But you know, every time man tries to solve a problem,
you know, they always talk about climate change, and I
always wonder, well, what what caused climate change?

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
Before we got here?

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The climate has constantly changed over the thousands and thousands
of years that this millions, billions of years this planet's
been here. The climate has constantly changed. So by trying
to change it for the better, we might be doing harm.

Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
You just don't know. That's the problem.

Speaker 10 (01:12:34):
They don't know consequences of their don't know the consequences
these these people don't think out the consequences of what
they're doing.

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Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
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Speaker 16 (01:14:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
And is jelling Joey Volani, Joey, I see your new
line of products are out.

Speaker 7 (01:14:18):
It's good. It's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
It's an odor removal for the dog, for the cat,
for the carpet, for the if it stinks, it'll remove it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Oh, that's very cool. I see the picture of you
in the front of the bottle is uh.

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
Yeah, and that stinks. But it didn't remove that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
You know what's funny and Judy, what's funny is as
I shared this with how about a couple of weeks ago,
I put up on Facebook. I asked the grooming world,
I said, what do you want me to talk about
on Animal Radio? And I always like to stir up
a little crap, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I saw that on Facebook.

Speaker 7 (01:14:50):
Yeah, it started. It's it started going around.

Speaker 13 (01:14:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
It was a lot of stupid things, a lot of
professional stuff. Groom is ragging about the clients and that
sort of thing. And then and they started fighting about things.
But one of the bigger things that came up and
I decided, you know what, this is what I'm going
to talk about, was dentistry. A lot of groomers now
are offering dentistry, okay, which is actually I should say

(01:15:15):
anesthesia free dentistry. And there's two ways that they're offering it.
One is an enzymatic cleaner, which is like some of
the sponsors we've had in the past, where it's you know,
gels and sprays, and additives that you'll put in their
food and water, and over time it'll remove the plaque.
And what groomers are doing is they're starting it in
their salons and then they're actually you know, giving the

(01:15:38):
portion which is basically you basically bought it as part
of the grooming and then you have to go home
and you have to treat your pets and it removes
the plaque and the tartar, and if you do it
correctly and you stay on top of it, it's they
work really really well, and they're and they're pretty safe
to use. But you're not going to get the professional
dentistry look that you will if you go to your

(01:15:59):
vetinaw But it's good when you have dogs that that
basically you know, can't be put out or the people
just don't have the money to do it. But then
you also have groomors that are offering anesthesia free dentistry.

Speaker 7 (01:16:15):
They're scaling the teeth.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
And the problem with this is it's it's very unfortunate
that the grooming industry isn't licensed, because if it were,
you to eliminate a lot of these problems when you
go in and you scale a dog that has tremendous
tartar and you scale their teeth. A few things happen.
Number One, dogs don't like it, That's number one. So
they're not gonna let you do it very easily. So

(01:16:40):
the whole process is a negative process on the pet itself.
It you know, just leaves it in a scar in
their mind at any time they see someone go at
their teeth that this is gonna happen again because they
have to be forced and held down and then their
teeth is scraped, and it's not it's not very pleasant
for the dog. The other thing is, you don't know
how these tools would effect and clean. A veterinarian is

(01:17:02):
going to put those tools in autal clave. They're gonna
be sealed, they're gonna be opened up before the procedure happens.

Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
The dog is gonna be sedated.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
It's gonna be very I'm not gonna say very easy
because I don't know the process, but it's definitely a
lot easier than the dog that's awake. You could do
it to a stuffed animal. I mean, how do you
think how got most of his dates? And when he
was younger, you know, he had sedate the woman. You
know it was very right. But anyway, what this does though,
when they do the process of it, now you scrape
all that tartar off the teeth, and what it does

(01:17:32):
to the tooth itself is it opens up the tooth enamel,
so it's like having open pores.

Speaker 7 (01:17:37):
So even though the teeth probably look good, what happens
is now everything that they even drink gets sucked right
in like a sponge.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
So in time and a short amount of time, all
of a sudden you have this build up that came
back rapidly and a lot worse than it was before
because it got sucked right into the tooth, so it
made it worse. The other thing is, and I don't
know but every state, because I haven't looked into it,
but every state that I know of, it's against the
law for.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Your groomer to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
So your groomer should not be scaling your dog's teeth
for profit. If they do it on their own pet
at home, you know what, that's fine, But teeth need
to be scaled and then polished like you would if
you go to your dentist.

Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
They polish your teeth afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Well, you can't do that when you're scaling a dog
that's awake, and you probably don't have the equipment to
do it anyway. So again you have an open sponge
that sucks everything in. So if you're looking at having
your groomer do your dog's teeth, okay, or treating it,
go for the enzymatic process. It's gonna take a little

(01:18:40):
bit longer, it might not remove everything, but you know what,
it's gonna be a hell of a lot better. And
then as you as you do it, it gets softy.
You can almost chip it away with your fingernail or
even your toothbrush. You can go in if your dog
lets you go in there and do it. And also
they make them for cats as well, but I wouldn't
recommend putting my fingers in my cat's mouth in most cases.

Speaker 10 (01:19:01):
Another problem is when they when they do it, is
it releases all that bacteria and that goes in your
dog's system. You know, some dogs need to be on
the medicine and antibiotics or stuff after a teeth cleaning.
You can't just release that into their body.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Well, that's what the scraping. That's not what the enzyme.

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
Yeah, no, that's when we're scraping. And you're right, you're
one hundred percent right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
See a lot of people and I know this is
supposed to be a grooming tip, but this is the
tip that I'm This is more of a caution for
your groom is not to be doing this. So if
your groomer, if your groomer wants to scale your dog's teeth,
you know what, just say no, thank you. Uh you know,
I'll have my veterinarian do it, or you're going in
another direction.

Speaker 7 (01:19:39):
But I would stay away from it completely.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
And you're gonna say, because people are gonna have it done,
they're gonna say, what, Joey Vanni was wrong my teeth,
My dog's teeth look great. Wait for a month later
and then tell me, and then you're gonna say, wow,
he was right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
You know what's a good idea is to get their
teeth done at the veterinarian and then then follow it
up with the enzymes every month after that, because the
enzymes won't get rid of of all that plaque that's
been there.

Speaker 7 (01:20:01):
Right now, and you know what, and that works great.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
It does because matter of fact, I had my dog's
teeth done not too long ago. And that's what we do.
We follow up with the ends ofmatic clean. Their teeth
look great, their breath smells good. And you know what,
the more people because a lot of people don't know
about the ends ofmatic clean as yet. And it's really easy,
especially to sprays. You get two sprays in their mouth
and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
That's what I do though every morning, a little sprits
of the old pets life in my mouth.

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
You do that? You do that to yourself? Huh yeah,
his teeth there you go, they look pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Well, that's all we have time for today. I encourage
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