The Raw Debate with Dog Chef Kevyn Metthews - Mercury In Your Pet Food - The Animal Radio® Show

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Celebrating the connection with our pets. This is Animal Radio
featuring veterinarian doctor Debbie White, groomer Joey Valani, news director
Laurie Brooks, and now from the Red Barnes Studios, here
are your hosts, Hal Abrams and Judy Francis.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
A couple of weeks ago, we reported that there was
mercury found in your pet food. We decide, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Know, yeah, and it wasn't It was nuts Radio, but
I'm shaking my head.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
So we decided to get the researcher on who did
that researcher She'll be joining us today, is that correct? Yes,
she will, okay, And also the dog chef is going
to be with us this week.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
He's a real dog chef, is he?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I mean, that's what he does for.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
A Livy's Yeah, he does a TV show.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh he does.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Yes, he's a dog chef.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
He's the one that has the dog TV TV show.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
I believe.

Speaker 6 (00:46):
So.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I thought dog TV was just for dogs, but now
I guess it's for humans and dogs for everybody. I
guess the real advertising revenues come from humans and not
the dogs themselves. But we're going to be talking to
the dog chef before the show ends. Today here at
Animal Radio, Joey has just rushed in, what are you
working on today?

Speaker 5 (01:04):
Well, you know what people have been asking about, how
do I get my dog groomed at a at a rate,
you know, a little bit discount? Didn't I have plans
for the average person that can't afford, you know, to
have their pet grooms and now you can have your
pet groomed.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's why I think Ladybug is so, I mean, she's
cost efficient. She is because she doesn't really require a
lot of grooming.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
She doesn't have to go to a groomer. She did,
I just put it, put her in the sink and
she's washing.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Where some of my neighbors who have these poodles that
they've got to be groomed ones once a month, and
your keys, that's got to be costly. Paying for a
what kind of car do you drive? A Laborghini?

Speaker 5 (01:44):
I did, I don't anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I sold it, Laurie. What are you working on today?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, you know, usually on TV you see Subaru ads
that are really pet friendly and targeting pets, as everything
pretty much does these days. But there's another automobile maker
is going to be targeting is ads towards pets and
pet owners pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
No surprise. The pet industry is a sixty seven billion
dollar a year industry. It grows by about a billion,
maybe two every year. It seems like.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
It's the fastest growing industry, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's fun to see everybody from these other industries jump
into the frame to.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Figure out how, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Figure out how they can be pet friendly. So that's
on the way in just a few minutes. Let's go
talk to you now. Hi, who is this? Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:30):
This is Bill?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Hey Bill, how are you doing?

Speaker 8 (02:33):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:33):
Pretty good? I got a question. I have a umbrella
cockatoo and I have a malocan cockatoo. Well, the malocc
and cockatoo I sold to Cebe shop Triple T truck stop,
and there's a Cebe shop there. And the guy wanted

(02:54):
a bird, and I had some birds at home. But
it's only two go with me.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
And they travel with you.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
Yes, okay?

Speaker 9 (03:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (03:05):
And the umbrella, Uh, the umbrella I raised in my
truck and she's real attached to me. He would never
let go of her. But big Bird, I call him
his name. He's really loud, he talks a lot, friendly,
everybody likes him, but he is really loud, and he
needs an enormous amount of attention. And I mean a

(03:30):
lot of.

Speaker 8 (03:30):
Attention makes for a very small cab. I'd imagine.

Speaker 7 (03:35):
Oh yes. And so we've had screaming matches in the truck.
When I put him in his cage and he went
it out, he would just scream at me and I
would just scream back and we'd have the screaming match,
and you know, I say, Okay, you're not getting out,
and I need to scream, you know. But anyway, I
don't know why I sold him. I think it was

(03:56):
one of those days where we had one of those
screaming matches and he and the guy says that I
sold him to him. But anyway, he's he's been there
for eight months and I've been checking on him all
the time, calling him every month. And I missed the
bird terrible.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I didn't sell him, huh oh.

Speaker 7 (04:17):
I hated it. When I when I left the truck stop,
I go, oh my god, what did I just do?
That bird saved my life one time?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Really, how did you save your How did he save
your life?

Speaker 7 (04:30):
Well, I'm a truck driver. You know truck drivers. You know,
they do things and drive and drive and drive. And
it was one of those days where I was driving, driving,
driving because the snow was behind me and I wanted
to stay keep it that way. And I was driving, driving,
driving in Wyoming, and I started going to sleep. No,
I felt myself fading off, and all of a sudden

(04:53):
things just became a blur and all of a sudden,
big bird. That's the lame moment, the name of the
bird that I sold and bit me on the air,
didn't really drop blood, but hell my ear. And he
pulled my head back and woke me up.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Wow, yeah, you really saved your life there, yes.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
And I and I because he bit that close, clamping
down and I thought, oh my god, he's grabbed my ear.
And I looked up and I go, oh my god,
what am I doing. I almost went off the road
and I just turned the wheel just in time to
get it back on the road. And my trailer was
swerving a little bit and a truck was serving. There
was no traffic ahead of me or behind me. It

(05:36):
was just pitched.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, let me get this straight. You sold the bird
that saved your life.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
That's right, okay.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Just wanted to make sure, I got this straight.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
Pretty stupid, huh. But anyway, that was a few years ago,
and when I sold the bird, I go white, nag,
did I just do?

Speaker 8 (05:58):
So?

Speaker 7 (05:59):
I got you all heartsick? Yeah.

Speaker 8 (06:02):
Yeah. Have you visited him or are you just checking
inquiring by phone with him?

Speaker 7 (06:06):
Well, I visited him. I've visited him one time, and
he remembered me and come right up to me, and
my other little umbrella came right down to him. When
they start talking, we all start talking. We was like
a family again. Right. Well, the guy acts like he
wasn't gonna sell him back to me because we had
this agreement. If he didn't want the bird, he'd have
to sell him back to me. So okay, I said, okay,

(06:30):
So that's why I've been hoping. So I call him
back last week and he said, uh, he said, can
you Well he's he said this to the fact, he says,
I love the bird to death. He's just I says,
I just love the bird. He talks, he's friendly, but
he says he's driving my neighbor's nuts and he's screaming

(06:53):
and screaming and screaming, and he says, I think he
wants to be back with you or something. He's asked
me if by wanting back, and I, oh, of course.

Speaker 8 (07:02):
When well, he sounds like he's one of those exuberant
children who are very loud, boisterous, but once they're out
of your life that you kind of say, gosh, it's
so quiet without Johnny here. And uh so are you
looking at getting him back?

Speaker 10 (07:19):
Then?

Speaker 7 (07:20):
Yes, yes, I'm going. I'm driving down trying to get
over there close by Tucson to pick him up. And
the guy called me the other day and he says,
are you are you coming? I said, oh, yeah, you bet.
I got his cage in his truck, and I got
a different truck now, so it's all modified for him,
because you'll eat your truck if you don't modify it.

(07:43):
I got I got a different truck now, so I
hope he likes it. But anyway, I got a question,
do you think?

Speaker 11 (07:51):
Well?

Speaker 7 (07:52):
I got two questions. One every time I bring food
in the truck, I love hot dog, and every time
I get in there, big bird wants my hot he'll
fight me over it. He sees me eating hot dog,
he'll fight me over here. And and my umbrella never
used to like hot dogs. But when I sold big bird.

(08:14):
Now he likes hot dogs. Every time I go on there,
he wants my hot dogs. This came about one time
when I left the hot dog on a dash when
I went to fuel, and I went back in my
truck and he was eating my hot dog. He was
eating one in and the other bird was eating one in
and I just cut in half as just go out.
And so is that safe for them?

Speaker 8 (08:37):
Well, hot dogs are certainly probably not one of the
favored health foods for people, and it would probably be
the same for birds. But you know what, they can
certainly eat a lot of things that we do, and
I think what you're describing is there's a lot of
social eating that when we have birds, and part of
the fun is sharing the food that the human eats
as well. So in a small amount, I don't see

(08:59):
a problem with him having a hot dog. You know,
it's certainly a little bit high and some fat type
substances that we probably wouldn't want him to have as
a regular basis, but you know, for a treat here
and there, if he enjoys it, it's part of your
social bonding, I'm all for it, and I would be
very happy to hear him back in your life as
loud as he might be. But you know, especially if

(09:20):
he thrives in that kind of the traveling environment and
being in the cab with you, I'm very happy for
you and I hope that works out for you. Guys.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
Yes, and there's do you think I'm going to have
a problem with him getting back because it's been eight months?
You think he's so.

Speaker 12 (09:41):
So.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
One time I left him out of my truck because
my wife wanted to keep him home for a while,
and then my wife couldn't handle him. Then I put
him back in the truck, and then we had a
problem for a while. But now it's been eight months,
you think I want to be He's going to be
all right. You know.

Speaker 8 (09:57):
I wanted to ask you, do you travel with both
birds in the truck at the same time or do
you alternate?

Speaker 7 (10:02):
They both go with me at the same time. Big
Birds has his own perch on on the passenger side.
There's a seat I rigged up and it's got a
little it's got a little perch there for him, and
and and my wife says he's gonna fall off of there.
And what she does is when I slow down, I

(10:23):
got a little bell there and he grabs on a
little bell with his.

Speaker 8 (10:28):
I would love to I would love to see the
picture of your cab because it sounds like this is
the most bird friendly traveling arrangement that you could have,
and as long as you have some supports where he's
able to kind of hold on if there's a shift
in movement. But most birds are pretty good about grasping,
especially if they're you know, they're they're uh uh, they're
well groomed. And as far as you're concerns for him,

(10:50):
like I guess, you know, if you're concerned about him
recognizing or fitting into the family situation from what you've described,
when he's recognized you and your other bird when you visited,
you know there's gonna be a little bit of acclamation
in readjusting to the situation. But it certainly sounds like
he thrived in that situation. He was excited when he

(11:11):
saw you visiting. And I would say I would be
there with open arms and just be ready for and
getting your buddy back, and you know, give them a
little little lecture space. You know, he might not fall
back into the same routines quite as he did before,
but I think with time, getting back to the routine.
You know, he'll he'll find his place, and I think
you're gonna be very happy. So thank you and I

(11:32):
wish you good luck here. Bill will be anxious to
hear how he adapts and gets going back on the road.
This is doctor Debbie Animal Radio.

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Speaker 2 (13:01):
It's Animal Radio celebrating the connection with that were pets,
Go grab a bring around the radio. Don't want to
hear chef Kevin Matthews, the dog Chef if you watch
dog TV, and I'll be real honest with you, I
thought dog TV was strictly for dogs, but apparently there's
some human shows on there. He has a cooking show
and tells you how to cook for your dogs and

(13:21):
he'll be joining us in a few minutes. And why
is that so important? Because week after week we find
out that the food that's on the shelves is just
not any good. Fact. We found out about three weeks
ago that there's more mercury in pet foods, mostly cat foods.
I believe will find out the details because we have
the actual researcher. Congratulations Judy for thank you booking this

(13:42):
and making it happen. We were a little worried it
wasn't gonna happen. Doctor Sarah Dunham Cheatham will be joining
us in just a few minutes right here on Animal
Radio to discuss those mercury levels found in common pet foods.
Off your shelves, off your pet shelves, off your pet
store shelves. You know the shelves I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, they had an emergency in the lab, a.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Lab emergency, the petri dish fell or they discovered something.
Who knows, Laurie, what are you working on for this hour?

Speaker 11 (14:08):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (14:08):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
I was on Snapchat trying to find it a fun
filter for my cat.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
You're wild?

Speaker 14 (14:15):
Oh yeah, that's me Now.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Hell I got a happy story for you, happy fairy
tale ending, even for a group of rescue animals. I
won't even call them pets because they were pulled from rescue, adopted,
thrown on a movie set. And how it ends will
tell you.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Coming up, and let's take one for doctor Debbie. We
have Bill online. Three. Hi, Bill, how are you.

Speaker 15 (14:41):
Doing pretty good?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
From today?

Speaker 6 (14:45):
New York, New York.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, okay, what's going on with your animal I have
doctor Debbie right here.

Speaker 15 (14:52):
Yeah, doctor, I have a three year old English Springer,
and she's getting the habit of eating dunge.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
Eating dog dung or other animals.

Speaker 15 (15:03):
Yeah, dogs dung.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
We got.

Speaker 15 (15:06):
I have another animal or another dog too, and she,
you know, they play together and stay in the pen,
and I let them out and they'll run around and
my spring will start that habit, which I'm just wondering
how to break that.

Speaker 8 (15:24):
Yeah, it's it's a lovely dung behavior. So yeah, and
if we're being confined in a now, is this a
dog like a kennel, like a fenced in kennel, or
a crate.

Speaker 15 (15:37):
Like a crate kennel?

Speaker 8 (15:39):
Okay, all right, as far as I'm taking it that
she's only eating the other dog's pooper, is she eating her.

Speaker 10 (15:45):
Own as well?

Speaker 15 (15:46):
I don't know. I try to keep cleaned up, and
it's I know, she's eating stuff out there, and she
comes in and it's just dung breaths, So I know that that.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
Okay, Yeah, Well, I mean the reasons for why dogs
do this, the honest truth is, we have a lot
of theories, but nobody really knows the absolute certain cause
a lot of times we kind of look back at
how puppies are when they develop and when they're with mom,
the mother dog actually licks their eurogenital area, so they

(16:18):
ingest their feces and their urine, and some people feel
that this can be kind of a mimic behavior that
just kind of sets in a pattern and then they
just don't kind of get out of other times. You know,
we talk about the fat or the protein content and
the stool, and some dogs are really attracted to things
like rabbit poop feces, you know, different animal feces because
there's different compounds, enzymes, proteins in there that may be

(16:42):
somewhat attractive. And it's crazy to think that poop tastes good,
but you know what it really does to some animals.
So in some ways, when you have a positive reinforcement
for a behavior, it's hard to stop it because they
just enjoy it. Now, some of the things we need
to do when we have a dog that is eating
poop is one, we need to take away the opportunity

(17:03):
where they can get into that, So that means we
have to pick up that poop as soon as it
has passed. We don't want to leave that stool left
out in their environment where they can get around that
and ingest it. The second thing is that we want
to not make a big deal about it when you
do catch them in the act. And just like a

(17:23):
kid that smacks around his brother or sister for attention
so he gets his parents that a yell at him,
dogs will eat poop because they love to hear us yell,
screen throw things, ap, sap it, and that actually, again
is a positive reward for that behavior because they just
got you off the couch and they just got your attention,
and now you're paying attention to them. So you want
to make sure that you don't react to that that way,

(17:45):
but to give them some kind of alternate thing to do.
So if a dog is trying to pick up stool,
you know, a squeaky toy, a tennis ball, something you
can throw in the other way that is going to
get their attention, divert them from the stool, Do not
make a big deal out of it. Do not try
to discipline them, make them whole the stool in their mouth,
or say bad dog. That's not going to help at all.
And then also we went and go to look at

(18:06):
just you know, keeping these guys from being bored and anxious.
So when they do come out of the cannel, we
got to divert that activity and energy, get them running,
get them doing something so that they don't turn. Look
see that stool right there, and like, okay, that's a
great plate thing, I'm going to go for that. So
it's kind of a combination of all these things. And
you know, you can do some of the things where
people will put cayenn pepper on the poop and so forth,

(18:28):
but I think the time you spend walking around with
that little Tabasco bottle dressing those while yeah, the piles
of poop, you might as well work avoidance and keeping
that stool out of the environment. So yeah, and they're
you know, definitely some people will say, you know, use
MSG added to the poop or add it to the
dog that is passing the poop. And there's a lot

(18:50):
of deterrens that they sell on the market. So those
things can help, but by themselves they won't solve that.
You kind of got to get at the heart of
all of these behaviors and get the dog a job,
something to do, and then really, you know, keep the
opportunity to a minimum, clean clean up themselves. I like

(19:10):
that idea. It's just that imposable thumb thing, you know.
They can't quite get that.

Speaker 16 (19:14):
Scooper going, all right, thank you doctor.

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This is an Animal Radio news update.

Speaker 14 (20:30):
I'm lour Brooks.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Tesla cars can be expensive, at least in my mind,
but the feature aimed at pets and pet parents might
make the price tag worth it. One of Tesla's new
car features includes a computer program which stops the interior
of the car from exceeding a certain temperature, and even

(20:52):
a future.

Speaker 14 (20:52):
Update for it.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
They say it might include a special what they're calling
a dog mode, which would display a message those who
pass by outside the car not to panic if they
see a pet inside of a parked Tesla, and that
future update would also include a display of the current
interior temperature, so any well meaning stranger wouldn't think they

(21:15):
have to break the car's window to rescue your pup. Now,
the temperature regulating feature was actually rolled out via software
update that was back in June. It's called cabin Overheat,
and when the car is parked, it ensures the temperature
inside the car doesn't exceed a preset limit. But it's
meant for safety, not for your convenience, so that your

(21:37):
pet will be safe if you know, like some people
have done, accidentally leave it in the backseat, you forget
about it because it falls asleep, and you know, maybe
for a few minutes, it'll be okay. The company stresses
it is not for keeping pets comfortable over long periods,
but to be clear, the ASPCA does advice never ever

(21:57):
leaving a dog alone in a parked car, and notes
that do so is even illegal in some states.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I think it's kind of cool that their role, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
Yeah, I like that idea, and I think that you know,
you can use that application. You know, I wouldn't say
you'd leave your children in the car too, but can
you have noisy kid setting too?

Speaker 16 (22:16):
Good idea?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Everybody knows that puppies are cute, right, but did you
know that people find puppies at their cutest stage at
eight weeks of age?

Speaker 14 (22:28):
And I think that's perfect too.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Experts at Arizona State University's K nine Science Laboratory now
say they have discovered that peak puppy cuteness actually serves
an important purpose and might even play a fundamental role
in the bonding between a puppy and its adoptive owner.
In a recent study, researchers at the university sought to
try and scientifically pin down the timeline of puppy cuteness.

(22:54):
Their finding is that people consistently rate dogs their most
attractive and cutest, and they are six to eight weeks
of age. Now, this happens to coincide six to eight
weeks with a crucial developmental milestone because mother dogs stop
nursing their babies at around the eighth week, after which
pops then have to rely on humans to survive. Right,

(23:17):
so peak cuteness. Then it is no accident at exactly
the moment when human intervention matters, most puppies become irresistible
to us humans, and we want to take.

Speaker 14 (23:27):
Care of them.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
So it also doesn't hurt that humans that we are
especially vulnerable to cute things. There's been some research dating
back to the nineteen forties that shows that virtually any
creature that has baby like kind of features, you know,
really big eyes, a bulging forehead, short limbs, is capable
of gaining our love and defection.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Peak puppy cuteness PPC.

Speaker 14 (23:55):
Puppy Cuteness Factor. I love it. I'm lour Brooks.

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Give more breaking animal news time at animal radio dot com.

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Speaker 19 (24:07):
Com, Alan Cable, it's timed out for you and your dog.
I want to hear that.

Speaker 13 (24:16):
Yeah, who's who's got the cute little?

Speaker 14 (24:20):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (24:23):
Use it?

Speaker 20 (24:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Off, off, off the table, Off the table.

Speaker 18 (24:27):
He Mommy loves you, Mommy loves you.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
No, I'm gonna scratch the special spot on your tell
me to make sure they'll leg kick.

Speaker 19 (24:33):
Oh yeah, that car and now Times Animals interrupted news reports.
Here's a kiddy that decided to jump on the news
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Here's a weather guy at the zoo in Australia when
a pelican decides to bite him on the bottom. The
ankle guy says, do you love it?

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Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's Animal Radio coming up next hour. We are supposed
to have doctor Sarah Dunham Cheatama on the phone with us.
She was the lady who did the research recently about
the mercury and pet food. She was the actual one
doing the research. No, so I want to talk to her.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
I'm trying to get her. She's not answering.

Speaker 8 (25:40):
She's probably busy saving lives and doing important research. You know, guys,
give her a little break.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Okay, she probably she probably has a pet food emergency
that she's working on. So we'll find out. You know
who we do have, and I'm very excited about this.
We have doctor excuse me, we have chef Kevin Matthews.
I just made you a doctor. How you doing.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
I'm good, are you?

Speaker 20 (26:00):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (26:00):
If the house says you're a doctor, you're now a doctor.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
That's what I tell myself.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
To my right is doctor Debbie. To my far right
over here is Lori Brooks, our news director. Of course, Judy,
you've spoken to him how and we're very curious about
what the dog chef is. I understand you even have
a dog cafe.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
For the most part, it is a dog cafe. You
can come in. We serve fresh food, fresh treats, fresh
frozen yogurt. We do make custom meal plans as well
in addition to candy, and we host dog parties here
as well. It's an awesome place to be.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
So there's no human food. It's all. It's all dog stuff.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
No human food, but it is all human grade and
looks human edible. Humans could eat it. But we do
have There is a cookie shop a couple of doors down,
and I told them, you know, I don't want to compete.
You know, then they're gonna start making dog treats. It's
it's going to ruin the neighborhood. So we just leave
it the way it is.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
So how is business? Are you able to pay the rent?

Speaker 6 (27:02):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Man?

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Now, who we bought this place through this business? It's excellent.
We're growing so large in Baltimore that actually the Baltimore
Orioles called us so we could cater their Bark in
the Park event at the stadium. We did that twice.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
Absolutely Yeah. We made dog little little hot dog cookies
and pretzels, and we were doing the frozen yogurt. They
loved it. We were doing we were putting the frozen
yogurt in a little uh. They have those little baseball
hats that are actually what they serve ice cream in,
so we were doing that as well. It was such
a cute event. I mean, you could bring your dog

(27:40):
to the park watch the game with your dog. Is amazing.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
So what made you start something like this?

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well, it's funny. There's a picture that I drew when
I was in probably about the first grade, and they
had snoopy with a chef's hat on and said cook
above it. I was always obsessed with the nutrition of
the dogs that we had growning up, and I went
on to grow up and get into the culinary field,

(28:06):
and then I just moved it over once I got
this atome dog when I live in New York, by
the name of Greta, and I just wanted the best
for her, and I started making all of her food.
And I actually started doing it because she refused to eat.
She refused to eat anything that I brought home. And
the last time that I went back to the pet store,
I was listening to the radio and I heard about
that was when those dog fooder recalls were happening. And

(28:28):
what I was trying to give her that she was
turning away was that food. So that's what snapped me
into doing it.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
What do you say to the person like just like
me who wants to cook, but just I don't really
have a lot of time to cook for my animals.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
That's why I'm here for you.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Okay, But you're in Baltimore and I know you make
meals for you know, the Baltimore residents, but what about
us over here?

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Hey, we'll check it out. I had a mini cooking
show on dog TV running right now. It shows you
how to make a few treats here and there. We
do have classes at our location, but we also ship.
We ship our food across the country. If you go
to the website at the dogship dot com, you can
see we do make neal.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Plans and we shift that's got to be pricey.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
It's pricey, but you know it's if you weigh it
against what you would be paying for vet bills, then
it's it's worth every Since none of the dogs in
this in this building have ever been to the veterinarian,
and they're all I.

Speaker 8 (29:32):
Don't like hearing that. That's not a good thing. For
ventative care is very important. Absolutely, it is a bad
thing if you don't see a veterinarian. You have to
have a basic understanding of your pets overall health. And
unless you have a veterinary degree, you know that is
not something that we are keen enough to develop on
our own just from books, studying at home.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
I think anything what I'm saying, they have. They have
veterinarians they go to, but they don't. I mean, they
get check ups or whatever, but we don't have any
any issues with them because they're healthy. In fact, if
that doesn't like it, because they don't, we just going
to say, hello, maybe get an ail tra a month
in a while, get a bill of health, and walk
on down the road.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I got to imagine there's a book deal on the
way right absolutely.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yay, And we were wondering where that book was.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
It's funny that you mentioned that it's not out yet,
but I am writing right now it should be out
after the first of January, okay, because.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I just want to know how to do this, how
to because I really do. I see the crap that's
on the shelves right now, and I hear about like
we just reported this mercury that's in our cat food
and dog food, and I see how my animals have died,
how they they've come, They've comed to horrible diseases that
while I can't scientifically point to the pet food, I
could pretty much kind of maybe a little bit assume

(30:50):
that the pet food might have had something to do
with their ailments.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
And so yeah, I would say so.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
We are with Chef Kevin Math. We got to take
a quick break. We're going to find out more about
cooking for your dog. Coming up next right here on
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Speaker 2 (32:27):
It's Animal Radio celebrating the connection with our pets, and
we are hanging with chef Kevin Matthews, the dog chef.
You're a raw food or a raw diet kind of guy, right,
You know.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
You have to look at how a dog digets food
as opposed to how a human does, and look at
and look at what is in that bag and how
it's made and how it reacts to the system inside
of the dog.

Speaker 11 (32:53):
Dogs were not Okay, I'm curious.

Speaker 14 (32:54):
You have to elaborate on that.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
Okay, how many wolves do you know that cook their food?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I really less than I can count on one hand, probably, right.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
And when they do eat food, it's fresh. It's a
source that they know, they are they are personally attacking
the food and it's it's just that fresh. It's not dried,
it's not abrasive, it doesn't it doesn't have any chemicals
or you know, additives to keep it fresh. On a
shelf for ten twelve months. If a wolf sees a

(33:30):
dead animal that's been outside for ten months, it's not
going anywhere near it. So we have trained these dogs
to eat this type of food. And the way you
do that, because it wouldn't be attractive to a dog,
is you put all these things in it that smell attractive,
like you know, liver for instance, when you're using beef,
but it's not like you feeding it real beef or
a little bit of liver. You don't want to feed

(33:51):
too much liver because that's it's kind of harsh. Once
you kind of know how dogs, you know they're not
even supposed to be chewing food. It's funny how people say, oh,
my dog doesn't chew, we just fallow as well. Look
at how again. I'll just use the wolf again. A
wolf bites, pulls and throws it in the back of
his throat or as esophagus and it just goes down.

(34:11):
That's normal. You can't do that with kibble. If you
take a piece of kibble and you rub it against
your skin, it starts to hurt after a while. Imagine
what that does to the inner organs of a dog.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'm sorry, doctor Debbie did you want to well, no,
I was going to say that.

Speaker 12 (34:28):
You know.

Speaker 8 (34:29):
Also, you know, when we compare wolves and dogs, one
of the adaptations that dogs have had over the years
is a process called domestication. And so today's dogs are
domesticated and have learned to live closely with humans, so
their digestive tracks are have actually adapted and changed and altered,
so they are not necessarily the same as what you

(34:50):
would find in a wild caneid out there, a coyote,
or a dog, because they have made their life kind
of sneaking food, living close to people, getting we have had.
And it's not to say that the process of domestication
is wrong and it's led to bad behaviors. That dogs
have learned to adapt to what we've eaten, and we

(35:10):
just always assume nowadays that they should eat the same
things we do. And so I think that we just
have to step back a little bit from that and
analyze it. Because we're not telling people to feed their
current pets like a wild wolf, because we obviously don't
want them cheering carcasses up and having things like that.
So whatever works for the convenience, the nutrition and the

(35:32):
well being of the animal is important. So I'm all
for feeding the individual pet, but I just want to
kin and keep things real when we talk about wild.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I'm not picking up any roadkill and feeding it to
my dog, not even.

Speaker 14 (35:46):
If it's fresh.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
You know, the other day I had Nikki and she
was out in the woods and she had a deer
leg in her mouth, and I was like, really, she
was so proud. She had a little bit of flesh
on the end of it, and you know, it's an instinct,
she's drawn to it. So but no, I didn't ask
her to do that, she just did it on her own.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
How do you feel about raw food?

Speaker 8 (36:08):
I'm not a fan, but I've also treated the negative
sides of that, and you know what are.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
The negative sides? Don't don't just run off and drop
that bomb.

Speaker 8 (36:18):
Well, the downsides are just the food borne illness that
the individual dogs that I've had to treat cats and
then as well as you know, the bones injuries and
things like that. So it can be done well, and
I know clients that have done it, but I am
not a fan of it. I just you know, again,
I have to treat the bad stuff, so I also

(36:39):
don't cook for myself.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
But don't you hear what you're seeing on the shelves
in the pet stores. I mean, doesn't that freak you out?
And the research that we're finding out, well, you.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
Know, there's a lot of the same things that are
happening in our foods too. So when we talk about
things like you know, we were talking about the other
day about the herbicides that are showing up in animal
food products, are also human foods. So this isn't just
necessarily an animal food problem. It's also a human nutritional problem,
and we really have to look at where we're sourcing

(37:09):
our foods. I'm a fan of organic, so I think
that's a great idea. And if you want to do
raw food organic for your pets, hey.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
How there's really tight regulation for human grade food compared
to what's on the shelves, there's barely any regulation.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
Yeah, there's a fun I got to agree with you
on that. And there just needs to be better options
across the board, because, like the veterinarians said, there are
people like her with she doesn't believe in the raw
probably because she's had she's had bad experience here because
people do it the wrong way. But most, but the
majority of Americans don't make their dog food, so we

(37:49):
need to as on a whole. I mean, I can't
go up to a dog company and that hasn't to
do anything, but people need to start having these these
companies take responsibilit they're making millions and millions of dollars
a year.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I couldn't I couldn't disagree with you on that at
all whatsoever. But we are out of time. What's your
website so people can go visit you?

Speaker 6 (38:10):
Okay, it's www dot thedogchef dot com, The dog.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Chef dot com. Of course, we'll put links to everything
you've heard on today's show over at Animal Radio dot
Pet Chef Kevin Matthews, thank you so much for hanging.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
With us today. Hey, thank you guys. Have a great day.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Take care of yourself.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Doctor w would you recommend maybe a human grade raw
diet over a dog food regular dog food raw diet?

Speaker 8 (38:33):
You know, the only thing I would prefer to see
some sort of unless you're really dedicated. I've had a
few clients that are super dedicated to you know, they
have the kitchen set up, they handle the food kind
of like you know, like they'd be feeding it to
a human. You know, they wash each surface. There's no
sharing of the instruments between the ingredients, and it goes
straight into the bowl and they disinfect the bowl and

(38:55):
the feeding area. So it all is very almost military like.
But that is I think a hard thing to do
and to do it in a really strict way. So
to have a food company that is using those kind
of stringent handling, I think that's where you know, I
would almost rather see people go.

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Speaker 1 (40:28):
Celebrating the connection with our pets. This is Animal Radio
featuring veterinarian doctor Debbie White, groomer Joey Valani, news director
Louri Brooks, and now from the Red Barn Studios. Here
are your hosts, Hal Abrams and Judy Francis.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Welcome, my friend. If you just tuned in you missed
last hour, that's okay. You can go on over to
Animal Radio Dot pat and listen to it again. What
will you hear? What we dis visited with Chef Kevin Matthews.
He made me real hungry talking about cooking for his animals.
He has a dog cafe. I don't see enough of those.
There should be more dog caffes around the country. Should

(41:04):
be one on every block, especially with the way pet
food is these days.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Hey, doctor de Wie you know the dog chef Kevin
Matthews that was saying, you said a couple of times
about how liver, which is an organ meat, might cause
other things in dogs, but he never elaborated on that.
And in humans, I know it can cause gout and
other things that rich organ meats can. What is the
effect of an organ meat when you feed it excessively

(41:29):
to a dog.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
Well, there's a couple concerns. Some are similar to people,
some are a little different. In animals, it's very dense
in vitamin A and that can actually you can cause
a toxicity by feeding too much vitamin a. So that's
one of the reasons that it's not, you know, a
primary meat source that we use on a daily basis.
The other thing is it's also high in cholesterol, and

(41:51):
that's one reason for people that it's really an organ
meat like that is really not something we would want
people to eat on a regular base. For me, I
have kind of the ooh factor. I used to love
liver as a kid because I like to touch it
in the grocery store. I'd like to stick my finger
in it. It thought so cool, I thought, But it also

(42:12):
places is waste, Okay, so yes, I'm telling you we
too much about my weird childhood. But it processed waste,
so it basically, you know, detoxifies the body. So you know,
there's also some folks that have concerns about that.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Sure, Well, if you're eating something that detoxified another body,
doesn't that just put the toxins into your body.

Speaker 8 (42:32):
Well that would be the concern. And that gets all
to food handling and food safety. But I'd say for
animals it's really you know, one of the vitamin aid
concerns is the biggest.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
We learned a few weeks ago that there's high levels
of mercury in our pet food. And the researcher behind that,
doctor Sarah Dunham Cheatham, She will be joining us this
hour right here on Animal Radio. We're going to go
to the phones for your calls in just a couple
of minutes. LORI working feverishly in the newsroom. What do
you have for this hour?

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (42:57):
I just found this and I think it's so exciting.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
There's occasionally some really great Kickstarter projects, and I get
most excited about the ones that are pet related, and
this one is so exciting to people. It raised ten
times the amount of money that it had asked for
in just like less than a week. But it has
to do with your pat and we'll give you all
the details coming up.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I love seeing these Kickstarter programs and a lot of
big companies, I mean really well established companies are using
Kickstarter now to launch their line of products, just to
kind of get a feeling of how popular the product
will be and if it'll if it'll be successful. People
even want Yeah, great research these days, and it's free
and they raise money. It's not free, they actually raise

(43:41):
money doing it. So we'll find out about that Kickstarter
project at the bottom of this hour. Let's go to
the phones. Good morning, good afternoon, pan, whatever it is
where you are. How are you doing today?

Speaker 11 (43:52):
Hi, I'm just fine, Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
What's going on?

Speaker 7 (43:56):
My sister adopted.

Speaker 11 (43:57):
An eight year old Boston Terrier sweetest.

Speaker 12 (44:00):
Dogs, but she has an odor.

Speaker 19 (44:02):
After about three days after a bath, she has an odor.

Speaker 8 (44:05):
Again, it's really you.

Speaker 20 (44:07):
Know, selling the house ups. So we're hoping that maybe
you could tell us that good remedy that would not
hurt her skin, her coat that she could use.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
For her Okay, all right, well, I've definitely got a
lot of tips on this one. Now, the big question
is that you say that after the bath the odor
goes away. Yes, it does. Okay, because some of the
first things we look at when we were talking about
stinky odors from dogs. I look at the mouth, make
sure there's no dential disease. I make look at the butt,
and make sure those anal glands are attended to because

(44:36):
those have the most god awful odor to them. I'm
sorry too. Yeah, so so those things we really work at.
Look at that first, and then I'll start attacking and
looking at the pet skin as the potential cause you know,
is the is the doggy itchy or scratchy, have any
patchy hair loss anything going on?

Speaker 5 (44:58):
No?

Speaker 11 (44:59):
She does not very healthy.

Speaker 8 (45:02):
Okay, good, well that's awesome. Now. The one of the
first things I'll do is make sure I replace the
dog's collar with a brand new one. The reason is
I solved a dog who had horrible skin odor. Every
time after the pets was bathed, they got better and
then it started to getting nasty and stinky. And some collars,

(45:22):
if you flip them over on the backside, especially the
nylon ones, you can actually get a lot of odor
and kind of an oil secretion on there. So before
you spend any money on anything medical, make sure you
check that first, that man said, Then we start looking
at other things. I would talk about the food. Examine
the ingredients on a brag of food. Sometimes dogs that

(45:44):
have fish based ingredients and their diets can have an
inherent odor to their skin. So that too is an
easy fix. If you can figure that one out, then
you can move down the list there. Next. From there
we start to get into some of the skin related problems.
Things that might be things like seborea or what we
term as hyper hydrosis. Those are specific types of skin

(46:08):
changes that can happen with allergies, hormone problems. Some of
those type of problems. There's different therapies with shampoos and
topicals that we might go with different directions there. The
way to figure that out is to see your vet,
have them do some quick skin tests and to see
what's going on on the surface of the skin. If
there's not a lot going on and we don't have

(46:29):
signs of allergies, then we kind of go and deal
with more of this kind of hyperhydrosis, which is basically
a lot of the apricrine sweat glands that just kind
of produce this. Oh, it's not even a greasy fluid.
It just sometimes feels greasy to the touch and you
won't see anything on the skin. So for those pets,
we ah, okay, So for those pets, we don't really

(46:51):
want to overbathe, and we want to make sure we
address potential underlying causes. And the number one cause of
that type of problem can be underlining allergies. So unfortunately
that too, you'd want to get to the vet so
you can start looking at some remedies to deal with
that in different types of shampoos, because we don't want
to use decreasing shampoos. We don't want to use those
type of products on a pet who has more of

(47:13):
an allergic skin disease with hyperhydrosis, So that's very different
there those that have more of like the orangey yellow
sebum kind of the build up on the skin and
you can see different things adhere to the skin surface.
You know, that's going to be more of a maybe
a sebarea type direction, and that's going to be more
decreasing shampoos, things with sulfur or salasilic acid in the

(47:37):
shampoos that's more appropriate for that and then also if
the vet's taken samples from the skin, we really look
for mites, We look for things like bacterial infections, and
in many cases we really got to get on therapy
for those, be it an antibiotic or an anti fungal
tablet that can really help tackle that, because yeah, you
will have a temper improvement in pets that have those

(48:00):
kind of infections, and then as soon as that bath
effect wears off, then you're right back to square one.
So I don't see how we'll get out of this
with go into the VAT. But I wish I had
that little microscope with me that I could see through
the radio, because that really a little bit of the
CSI work really goes a long way with these kind
of things. And you know, Halend, you you know that

(48:22):
I'm like all about maybe under the microscope and yeah,
smells too. I do like to diagnose things with odors.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
So but we're working on the technology though that you
can hold up your pet to the radio and doctor
Daby could instantly cure them. But nothing yet, nothing yet.
We wish you the best of luck with that, Pam,
Hopefully you'll find a solution there.

Speaker 20 (48:42):
Well.

Speaker 11 (48:42):
Thank you so very much.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Welcome to the show, Pete. What's going on with your
dog or cat or goana or fish?

Speaker 6 (48:47):
What is it?

Speaker 11 (48:48):
It's a dog's as a fourteen year old, lots of ops.
So he's had a tear duck removed a long time ago,
and now I'm having problems with this eye is getting
all crusty and drying up and he only sees his
shadows these days. But inspiteable landos right as, he seems

(49:08):
to always be happy.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
Okay, So what is your question?

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Then?

Speaker 11 (49:14):
What do I do about his eyes getting dry all
the time?

Speaker 8 (49:17):
Okay? Are you currently doing anything for that? Are you
using any products?

Speaker 11 (49:21):
We were giving him drops and they didn't seem to
do much. Maybe I need a different kind of drops.

Speaker 8 (49:26):
Yeah, I mean, especially if he's had some chronic issues.
Sometimes it's it's kind of hard because it seems like
if something doesn't work, sometimes the instinct is to just
kind of say, oh, nothing helps. But there are a
lot of other remedies out there. So if he's had
dry eye or what we abbreviate askcs Caroto couldn't jump
to bite the cicca. It's just a wonderfully long word.

(49:48):
So there are a lot of things that we can use. Now,
some are kind of the moisturizing type drops, kind of
like the artificial tears variety, and then there's others that
are gauged towards trying to stimulate the eye to do
something to produce some tears or to decrease inflammation. So
there's a lot of different things in that regard. If
we're not doing anything, there's a lot of room for improvement,

(50:11):
and I would encourage you to treat this aggressively because
dry eyes are some very painful type problems that we
have in dogs and in people. I wear contacts and
when I get this a little bit dry, it's just
it's like sandpaper on your eye. So if your doggie
is having dry, globbery eyes where we can see that
the cornius just doesn't have that pretty glisten to it

(50:34):
and it's looking kind of dull, there's definitely room to
help this baby. So I would definitely look at some
artificial tear products. One in particular that I like here
at our office is called eye drop. It's a veterinary drop,
but it is a very nice, viscous drop that helps
to stick around on the eye and to give a
nice kind of coding effect that we usually use something

(50:57):
like four times a day for these chronic eyes that
are dry. And then many dogs will also need something
like cyclosporine or tacrel linus one or one of those.
So if you've tried one in the past with your veterinarian,
see about trying the other, because we do have variable
response with some pass from one to the other. And

(51:20):
you know, sometimes it's a matter of having a good
bottle of a saline rinse. You can pick it up
at the regular old dime.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Store, the same rinse that we would use for our eyes.

Speaker 8 (51:31):
Yes, absolutely, Now are they called dime stores anymore? Am
I showing that I'm from a different era?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
You're a young gal. I don't even know why you
would even think that you know.

Speaker 8 (51:44):
So, But you know, I have an old soul. I
guess I said something to date to my staff and
they said, oh, I said, oh golly, and they said, oh,
doctor Devi's pulling out the big explosives here. But yeah,
so maybe I'm a little a little old in my
us things whatever. But anyways, we're talking about eye rinses,
and yes, you can use regular old context sailine rints

(52:08):
for your dogs to help dislodge the bagrie krusty stuff
on these eyes for pets with dry eye, and that
really ought to be done several times a day.

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Speaker 11 (53:28):
This is Craig Miffel on Animal Radio, and remember to
spade a new to your pets.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
It's Animal Radio celebrating the connection with our pets, and
believe it or not. Unlike a veterinarian or a dentist,
your groomer does not need to be certified or regulated.
They're not regulated right now. I think they do need
to be regulated. They're not certified right now. There's no
accreditation for groomers. So when you take your dog or

(54:01):
whatever to the groomer, to the petco or the pet
smart wherever you take them to be groomed, the person
grooming your dog could.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Be someone like me. I could just pick up a
pair of scissors and open up a shop and say I'm.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
A groomer, or even worse.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
I don't know if they'd be worse than me, but it.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Appears that it's crazy. It is crazy. The last couple
of months. The last report that I just checked out
this morning before the show came in September thirtieth. Catherine
Hess took her canine companion, I don't know what kind
of dog. It was just for a bath and a
nail trim to a Pet Smart and apparently when she
went to go pick up the dog, something was just,

(54:40):
something wasn't right. And the next day she was taken
to the vet. Her lungs had collapsed and she was euthanized.
The same thing happened, well, not the exact same thing.
Something similar happened at a petco just four days earlier.
A Shits was seven year old. Shits reportedly sustained a
broken jaw during a grooming appointment Geese. Fortunately the fracture

(55:02):
jaw all the dog needed with surgery. The dog survived.
But very very unusual, very something strange. It's something you
don't expect when you drop off your dog or your cat,
because cats.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Get crowmed to just get a bath.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
I jump in, yes, okay, because I have to jump
in here.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Ladies and gentlemen. When dog father Joey Valani, the top
groomer in the nation.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
One thing I do want to say, and these are
hard numbers. Pet Smart groom's five point two million dogs
a year, there was approximately fifty two deaths that they
that they have been recorded in four years. I'm never
gonna say that, you know, looking at the amount of
dogs that were groomed and cats were groomed that you know,

(55:56):
it's only because one one pet that that dies is
too many.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
A lot of these cases they.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Have not been proven to be grooming related for a
number of reasons. So I do want to come to
the defense because if you ever read the and I
never read the Pet Cope, but the Pet Smart this
safety manual is like a it's like a phone book,
it's about an inch stick, and they actually do have

(56:23):
very very good safety precautions in place. The problem, and
this is where this disc goes awry. The problem is
is people look at that and then when they start
looking into the grooming industry, they realized, wow, this grooming
industry is not regulated by anyone. Now, when I was
a school honor in New Jersey, we had to submit

(56:44):
our curriculums to the state. They had to approve it,
they had to be structured to it. So that being said,
and yeah, I mean I want to see people that
have some sort of governing agent over them. The problem
that I see coming out of all this, it has
to be done correctly. The state of New Jersey, and
I'm very proud of could Be, has been very proactive

(57:05):
of listening to professionals in the industry that have been
doing this for a long time, and they are putting
together a bill which, listen, there's gonna be a lot
of people out there that say, he's crazy, it's not
gonna work, which I think is actually a very good
bill which addresses the situations on hand, and that is
keeping up pets safe. This is not a groomer an issue.

(57:28):
It's not even a petit own a issue. It's a
pet issue. The pets need to be safe, and knowing
that your groom was regulated is going to eliminate the
fly by night ones that come in. In New Jersey.
The Assembly passed this bill sixty eight yes, five no
two upstains. Now it still has to go through the Senate,
but that's a statement. That's a statement that they're sending.

(57:51):
And it's not only New Jersey. I think there's fifteen
more states now that now have gotten on the bandwagon
that want to see groomers regulated. You know what, the
people need to know that their pets are safe. Groomors
need to be regulated. If it's done right. It's the
seat belt law. You know what, you didn't like wearing
it in the beginning. Now if you don't wear it,
you feel naked. And I think I've said that before.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, So what is it? Who are the people that
don't want this to pass?

Speaker 5 (58:17):
You know, it's besides people in my industry. And I'm
not gonna say all. I mean, it's it's been very,
very divided the problem and I'm gonna go both ways.
Number one, I'll start with the industry. The industry is
a little bit nervous because there's a lot of things
that are vague in a bill. Now me with my
other hat being a business matter of a trade union,

(58:40):
I know, leaving things gray sometimes works out for your
behalf because you can change it if it doesn't work.
If it's black and white, you can't make changes. But
the problem is we're not having black and white. There's
issues in there that aren't being answered for the industry,
which is mostly mom and pop, and they have to
you know. And the people that that I see complaining

(59:01):
are the good ones. They're they're nervous because the ones
that weren't doing the right thing, it's coming down on them.
But they need to. My feeling is back off and
let this come out and and and let it, you know,
like like how can I say morphed into something? Let it,
let it, let it, let it go, because right now
we have something workable. And then you have people who

(59:22):
just don't like them. And this has nothing to do
with you know, my industry. They got people just don't
like government, you know, being on top of of anything.
They don't want any more committees, they don't want the
states taking on any more liabilities, costing money, that sort
of thing. But where everyone's losing sight is the pet
is part of our family and they need to Everyone

(59:44):
needs to know that they're safe. Like any other industry,
you know, you need to know that that that that
things are safe. So it's important at least to make amen.

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This is an animal radio news update.

Speaker 14 (01:01:00):
I'm Lori Brooks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Many transportation providers of all kinds are fed up these
days with passengers trying to pass off their pet as
a service animal. In fact, recently in Colorado, a passenger
boarded a bus there like a city metro bus, with
a Boa constrictor wrapped around his neck. Also in the
same month, another passenger had a tarantula in his hands,

(01:01:22):
and another.

Speaker 14 (01:01:23):
Was carrying a ferret.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Now, the Denver Rapid Transit District, or the RTD for short,
it is all fired up about this. The agency's manager
has issued a statement that message is stop stop caps.

Speaker 14 (01:01:37):
The RTD points out that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Those animals do not qualify as service animals because well,
they cannot be trained to perform a service or a
task that their owner or handler couldnt perform for themselves.
So federal regulations, if you don't know, state that service
animals refers to it means only dogs and many horses,
not even cats, can be used as legitimates animals. And

(01:02:01):
many people whose lives depend on a service animal say
that all of the fake service animals out there these
days are making life more difficult for those who genuinely
need them. Occasionally, a Kickstarter project comes along that captures
everybody's attention and gets their excitement up and they're in
just you know, so enthused that it rakes in close

(01:02:21):
to ten times its funding goal in just a couple
of days.

Speaker 14 (01:02:26):
This is one of those Kickstarter projects.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
It's a futuristic looking cat potty, like a Space Saucers
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
It's just potty potty. Did you say potty poppy?

Speaker 14 (01:02:38):
Okay, potty.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
It's a futuristic looking cat potty called Footloose that promise
is to be the most cutting edge way imaginable for
your kitty to cleanly go potty, so it cleans itself
automatically for one and monitors the wellness of the feline user. Now,
the patent pending self cleaning mechanism can distinguish between litter

(01:03:00):
and your cat, so it's never going to move while
your cat's inside. And it can even recognize multiple cats
and tell you each cat's body weight, waste volume, how
often they use the footloose, and for how long they're
in there.

Speaker 14 (01:03:16):
Plus it wouldn't that be horrible if you were a human?

Speaker 7 (01:03:18):
I mean.

Speaker 14 (01:03:20):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
It comes with an integrated deodorizing unit. Even prices on
the Kickstarter page start at two hundred and ninety nine
dollars with shipping promised for June of next year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And it tells you how long you were in there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Yeah, that would be well, the cat, not you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Oh okay, right, thank you, Debbie.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
That hey.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
The National Dog Show, which airs every year coming up
on Thanksgiving on NBC, has announced that two new breeds
are going to be added to the competition this year.
One of those is the much easier to pronounce grand
Bassett Griffin van Deen. Doctor Debbie, you probably have heard
that dog?

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
Oh really?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Now they say that this it's it's kind of small.
I mean it's a smallerish dog, sweet shaggy. They say
it has impressive stamina. Okay, now the second breed you
can doctor W. Phel free to correct me if I
don't get this right that they're adding. The second breed
is the Netherlands koiker Hunga. You know, I actually spelled

(01:04:27):
it out phonetically and I still could hardly say it,
and I crossed out the real spelling of it, or
I would spell it for you, but they usually call
it the quika by most who have them. They're said
to be an easy going and friendly dog inside, and
then when they're outside they're agile and lively and very
intuitive to their owner's needs. So I'm thinking this might

(01:04:48):
be a future service dog candidate.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
You know what, we need one of these shows just
for mutts, just for MutS on Thanksgiving that the MutS
are not represented.

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
Well, you know what I used to do when I
was a kid. I would meet my own animals up
and I would like combine the front half of one
dog to the back half of another and just make
up these in between breeds and just pretance so we
can make our own mixed breeds up like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Oh you are quite a child, doctor Debbie.

Speaker 10 (01:05:14):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
You should have seen her cockerdoodle.

Speaker 14 (01:05:17):
What your parents must have been so much fun with you.

Speaker 8 (01:05:23):
I don't know if they would probably call it fun.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Maybe theirs must have been so exasperated with you.

Speaker 10 (01:05:33):
Definitely.

Speaker 8 (01:05:34):
The kicker is when I dissected the lizard on the
kitchen table. That kind of pushed me out of the
beloved child category.

Speaker 14 (01:05:44):
I'm Lorii Brooks.

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Get more breaking animal news anytime at animal radio dot com.

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This has been an animal radio news update. Get more
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This is animal radio baby.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
You know what it was? Two weeks ago Laurie reported
on the mercury that was found in some pet foods
and we had to get the researcher on the phone
who was dealing with that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Actually did it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Doctor Sarah Dunham Cheating is joining us. Hi, doctor, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 20 (01:06:13):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Okay, so you decided to get a hundred samples of
pet food? Did you just go to the store and
take one hundred keynes off the shelf? And is it
moist pet food or hard cabble? What did you do?

Speaker 20 (01:06:26):
So basically we went to the store, and we identified
the more commonly purchased brands, kind of starting at the
lower end, kind of the Walmart and Costo shelf brands,
and then looked at the medium and hir range brands
as well, and we tried to get an even distribution
between dog and cat foods and dry and wet foods
as well. Some of the items were donated from our

(01:06:47):
own houses, so we all have pets, and some were
donated from our friends and family and peers as well,
but most of them are purchased straight from the shelf.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Pretty random, okay, And then what did you do? What
did you find out?

Speaker 20 (01:06:58):
So for the study that is currently out there with data,
we basically looked for the total mercury concentrations in all
of those foods, so we weren't looking at the different
types of mercury, just all the different types how much
is in there? And we found that of the one
hundred and one samples that we tested, that sixteen of
those samples actually had mercury concentrations above the maximum TELEB

(01:07:22):
limit set by the FDA for pets for pet food.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
So does that mean somebody has violated FDA regulations?

Speaker 20 (01:07:32):
Absolutely not, because the FDA doesn't have regulations for mercury
and pet foods. They have limits that they say animals
should not be consuming more than this it would be
a health hazard. But there's no standard that the FDA
can legally hold the pets and manufacturers accountable for it
in their foods. So there could be lethal limits, there
could be absoutely none, and it's all legal. So this

(01:07:55):
is one of the things that we really wanted to test,
is you know, the overseeing this, the pet food manufacturers
are not overseeing this. What does this baseline look like
for us and for our pets that we're feeding these
foods to meal after meal and day after day and
months after months. For some pets, I get the same
food most of their life.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
And you notice this, I guess mostly in tuna or
fish related foods.

Speaker 20 (01:08:20):
That is correct. So of the hundred foods that we tested,
all of the top offenders, the ones that were all
above the maximum contamination are tolerable level living excuse me,
were tuna based or fish based, which is not surprising, right,
humans have an advisory level where as adults, we're not
supposed more than two cans of tuna per month because

(01:08:40):
of the mercury concerns, and that should be hold true
for pets as well. And you know there's a whole
literature out there of fish plus mercury equals bad. So
you know that it wasn't a concern to us or
a surprised to us that tuna based pet foods were
the highest mercury concentrations, but it does show a little

(01:09:02):
bit of worry for us as consumers and pet food
owners if we're feeding our pets fish based or tuna
based foods.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Routine, Lane, I think this would affect mostly cats.

Speaker 20 (01:09:14):
It's mostly cats, yes, and they're getting like becomes even
more of a concern because cats are actually more are
sensitive to mercury than most other species like dogs, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
They're getting like the thirty to one hundred and twenty
cans per month too.

Speaker 19 (01:09:28):
Right right?

Speaker 20 (01:09:29):
I mean, I mean, I know my cat's eat two
cans of what food every day each, so that's sixty
cans for each cat daily, and if I were only
feeding them tuna, that adds up to a lot of
mercury in one month.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Doctor Debbie, do you know if there's any correlation between
mercury and certain ailments, why are we so concerned about
the mercury, Doctor.

Speaker 8 (01:09:50):
Debbie Well, I mean a lot of the big concerns
are just multi systemic. We can have neurologic disorders, there
are digestive problems that can occur as well. In the
concern with like, you know, children as pregnant women is
you know, the developmental status of you know, altering an
abnormal development of a fetus. So that's a big concern.

(01:10:12):
I'd say that we really don't look at with the
you know, the cats and dogs as well, So it's
kind of a across the whole spectrum of things there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Doctor Sarah Dunham Cheatham is joining us. She is a
postdoctoral scholar with a background in soil science and geochemistry,
and she is the one that's done the research on
these hundred samples of pet food and has discovered high
levels of mercury in the in the pet foods. What
do you think we need to do? Is it mostly
up to regulation now?

Speaker 13 (01:10:42):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:10:42):
Interesting you asked that because earlier this month the House
actually voted to deregulate the regulation that they have currently
for pet foods. So a lot of the standards that
were set in regulations that are out there or were
out there. Set by the two thousand and seven pet
food epidemic, we're just actually removed, so the FDA has
even less authority now over web pot foods manufacturers are creating.

(01:11:06):
So as a pet food consumer and pet owner, I
think the concern and the action should be to really
pay attention to wasn't your pet food read the labels
suspiciously or at least consider where those ingredients might be
coming from and back off the fish is what I
can tell you, at least from the mercury side.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I have so many questions still, We're gonna have to
take a quick break. Doctor Sarah Dunham, cheatam. This gal
is responsible for the research that shows that your pet
probably is consuming a little too much mercury. And she
found out some other stuff too. You want to stick
around for that. It's a Animal Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Well you found us. It is Animal Radio, celebrating the
connection with that we're pets and we are with doctor
Sarah Dunham Cheatham. She is a postdoctoral scholar and she
has a background in soil science and geochemistry. And in
her latest projects, she sampled one hundred pet foods off
the shelves. These are the foods you and I buy,
and she found out sixteen of these samples contained mercury

(01:13:02):
concentrations well above the maximum tolerable limit. Imagine feeding your
cat that food every day, twice a day. You found
out some more stuff too, duck and potato. There's a
particular duck and potato food, did it have duck or
potato in it? And if not, what did it happen there?

Speaker 20 (01:13:20):
So yeah, so there's actually two components of our current
research projects. So one is looking at total mercury and
methyl mercury, which is an organic form of mercury that's
extremely toxic for all forms of life. But the second
portion is also looking at the DNA composition of food
and so we've kind of done a very quick preliminary
test of a couple of different pet foods just to

(01:13:40):
see if it was worthwhile to pursue this project. But
basically we tested a duck and potato dog food and
we found that there was duck in the food, so
that was not a concern. But we also found that
there were sheep in the food, and there was no
sheep on the label. But we do know that some
of these manufactors are using products that are not identified

(01:14:02):
on a package ingredient list, which for animals that maybe
have allergies or sensitivities to certain products becomes a concern
for their health. And so we're also looking at the
DNA composition of the food that will be analyzing for
mercury to see if the ingredients are accurate or not.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
It doesn't do much good to read a label then.

Speaker 20 (01:14:22):
Right that they read a suspicion.

Speaker 8 (01:14:25):
I think of people that you know have allergies to
different food products. I have several employees that are allergic
to peanuts or shellfish, and you know, if we really
look at animals health in the same way, we really
ought to have some significant standards to say what is
in there is actually in there. So I think this
is your research is really important to call this out

(01:14:48):
and say what is really in there? And if it's
not what they're saying, then get the damn sheep out
of my duck food.

Speaker 20 (01:14:55):
And I don't want to pay for duck what I'm
getting sheep either.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
To appreciate your research who pays for it.

Speaker 20 (01:15:02):
So right now we are crowdfunding our project, so we
don't want any money from pet food manufacturers or big donors.
We want pet food owners to completely support us on
this and be part of our investigation and the actions
that will come out of it. So we're hoping for
twenty five thousand dollars that we'll cover total mercury, methyl
mercury and DNA analyzes for at least one hundred pet foods.

(01:15:25):
Right now, we're at about one thousand dollars. So you
can donate at our Facebook page at facebook dot com
slash pet food Mercury and the link to donatus on there.
But it's one hundred percent of the donation comes street
to us. There's no overhead, and it also supports undergraduate
and graduate research opportunities. We also have students besides myself

(01:15:45):
that we'll be doing these analyzes and getting research experience
out of it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
All very worthwhile Facebook dot com slash pet food Mercury,
and we'll put links to everything you've heard today over
at Animal Radio dot pat Doctor Sarah Dunham, Cheatam, thank
you so much for joining us today.

Speaker 20 (01:16:00):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Ladies and gentlemen. The dog Father Joey Vallani is on
Animal Radio. He makes a you make a comfortable living
as a groom, where I would say making bank.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
I've I've done very well as a pet groom.

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
I have.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
I've invested a lot of time and money into it,
though it's not like I you know, I learn every
single day.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
So yeah, and I admire that, but I can't afford
your services.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Frankly, well, it's funny, because that's that's what my that's
my topic. My topic today is for people who can't
because who's actually a neighbor of mine or an old
neighbor of mine. She was asking me if I knew
of a place that would be able to help her out.
And unfortunately I don't live in a neighbor anymore because
I would have just gone and have done it. Everyone

(01:16:46):
pet grooms have to make a living like everyone else.
The problem is it is it can be costly, and
to give that up in order to do charity work
sometimes is hard. What I used to do was is
I used to have an even where I would call
people in and do their pets and basically next to nothing.
But not everyone could do that because you know, I

(01:17:07):
didn't really have too much of a family. You had
a wife and four dogs, so sometimes I didn't want
to go home anyway. That being said, that being said,
people that are on a budget, you know what, you
have options. Okay, if you can't afford the grooming, and
again if it's man's best friend, you want to make
sure they're comfortable. You have a lot of people on
fixed incomes or people who just you know, for whatever reason,

(01:17:31):
cannot afford it in almost every county that I know of,
at least when I was in a state of New Jersey,
and I know a lot here in California. You have
voetech now. Votech is the kids that aren't going to
college that you offer them careers, you know in the
working world, and pet grooming in most of these schools
now are very very popular. Well, you can bring your

(01:17:51):
pet to VOTECH and it's usually has a very qualified
instructor that probably the ninety percent of the work. And
they do it very very safely because they follow the
procedures impeccably, because they're teaching someone and for almost next
to nothing, or it might even be nothing. You can
have your pet groom by these places. Well, look for
pet grooming schools in your in your local yellow pages,

(01:18:16):
all go online. You may have some someplace that you
don't even know that's right down the block because a
lot of grooming salons now what they're doing is they're
getting licensed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
To be able to train.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
So it could be in the grooming salon right down
the street that actually has a program.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
By the way, I get my hair done at the
local school at the school b I t the Barber's
Institute of Technology. It's a human, it's not. It's not
for pets. It's for humans. But for nine dollars, they
do my hair not bad. Yeah, no hair jokes, you guys,
what hair.

Speaker 15 (01:18:45):
You said it.

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