Talking Walking Dead | Ep. 14 - Appetite for Horror

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Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Horror, Episode number fourteen. My name was
Brando. We've had a bit ofa break since episode thirteen, a three
month break, I guess with agood reason. I'm a dad. I
had a kid. I think Ialluded to that with my last episode when

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I interviewed uh Father Son Duo.Maybe I knew ahead of time Frank and
Remy Grillo about the resurrection of CharlesManson movie, which, by the way,
is on to be for free,by the way, which is just
still the best site to find horrormovies. I had a kid, Harrison
Rex. I call him Horror HarrisonDavid Brody for the sake of, you

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know, talking about horror movies whatwe're gonna talk about today. I spent
a lot of time with him,which is completely because there's nothing to do
like all your I mean, becauseyou have kids. It's been a while
since they've been babies, but there'sjust not a while to do but make
sure they're alive and breathing and tohold them and they because they cry as
soon as you put them down.So I've spent a lot of my time

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continually watching horror movies and rewatching andbinging the Walking Dead, which I did
not expect to do. I postedlike pictures on social media of him just
a sleep on me with this themost obscene horror depiction on the screen.
I'm really getting him started early,hoping these the sounds of zombies eating flesh

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just goes into his infant body andsee the kind of human being it creates.
Yeah. Well, someday when hebecomes a mass murder or they'll look
back at those photos and say,I wonder if there's a connection, it'll
be my fault. No, Iabsolutely admit it. It's and I'll say
this before I forget it. Iwas rewatching Terrifier too. By the way,
I don't know if you've seen theTerrifier, No I haven't, But

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is it better than Terrifier one?It's long terrifire, you didn't have a
one in front of it. SoTerrifier it's It's good. It's definitely very
good. And I will say thereare just scenes, just like in the
first Terrifier that make you go wow, I can't believe, like how do
they do that? Uh that ifyou weren't as distorted as me, you
might throw up. But I'm like, whoa, this is so cool.

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But there's a scene in Terrifier too, he's like kind of getting cranky on
me and he's not watching the screen. But there's a weird dream sequence where
they're singing a clown cafe song.You know, it's just really hope and
rolls him to sleep. So Idon't know, some horror movies have proven

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to help tiny children. Just wantedto get that out there. Okay.
I liked the way he said,he's not as distorted as you will.
You have an appetite for distortion,from what I understand, So I like
that. I appreciate that. Sothen I have done and actually Horror Harrison,
which I give him the nickname forthat podcast, Baby, just call
him Horrison. I will now,I will now thank you for that.
He's your son. It's Horror.He's your horror son. Wow. All

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right, See that's why I broughtyou on here, beautiful, that's it.
I love. Maybe we should tellpeople who don't know who I am,
who I am and why I amhere. I know poperably well,
I guess. As In addition tobeing a friend of yours for many years,
my radio buddy David Brody, Yeah, before we get because we haven't
spoken in a while and I'm enjoyingit too much, so please I can
tell us what you do well.I think the last time we spoke we

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did an Appetite for Distortion podcast episodewhere we interview Tony Harnell of TNT.
I love TNT and I'm a bigfan and of Tony's. Right now,
he's on some monster tour in Europewith like Iron Maiden and Metallica and Pantera
and one hundred other heavy metal acts, so I wish they did it here
in America, but they don't.So T and T got back together since

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we did that interview, and he'shere's touring with them, So very happy
for him and the band, andhe should be their singer forever. In
addition to all that, I amthe host of the co host of the
Brooklyn Boys podcast, which is whatthat logo is behind me. Available on
all platforms, but it's an iHeartRadio premier production. We it's a comedy

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podcast from two people from the sameneighborhood in Brooklyn, and we have a
lot of Brooklyn attitude and we talkabout events of the day and our life
experience and I think it's pretty damnfunny. I was also the co host
of the now defunct Walkers and Talkerspodcast, where my co host Jamie and
I broke down every episode with humorand knowledge of The Walking Dead and all

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of its many spinoffs. We didthat from season six of The Walking Dead
through almost the end of the runumof The Walking Dad. We did Fear
the Walking Dad, we did Preacher, we did I Think, we did
World Beyond, which was terrible yep, And you can find you can find
that on all podcast platforms. Soif you're new to The Walking Daddy,
you're rewatching it and you want afull breakdown of each episode, you can

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you can do that. But todaywe're talking about The Walking Dad, which
I love and I'm very excited about. Oh and oh yeah. For many,
many years, I was one ofthe executive producers and comedy writers for
the Elvis Strand UH and the MorningShow, nationally syndicated morning show on Radio
UM and I'm doing I'm doing thisnow at Brandon. So that's really the
highlight of my existence here, somuch more than just a highlight. Real

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David Brody, and that's how Iknow you from the iHeart days, and
that's where I am now. AndI'm lucky that this is on the iHeart
radio app and everywhere you can getyour podcasts. You can watch the video
on our YouTube channel. And becauseI'm trying to, like I said,
I'm getting my and this is allSega Harrison, my harror you know,

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my horror son. To get intohorror, I've gotten him, gotten him
some horror onesies. He's got aChucky one already. He's got the Jason
mask that says Mama's Boy. Yougot a cartoon Freddy Krueger that says follow
your dreams. So I'm already preppinghim. So we go ahead. A
lot of parents would want him tobe a doctor, or a lawyer,

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or an athlete or an astronaut.I see you going right for a horror
fan, hopefully fan from a distance. Well that's the point of this episode,
because I got no one to talkto about it. You know,
my wife will occasionally watch a horrormovie if it's not too bloody with me,
but she's very squeamish. So Iwill be in the same chair I'm
in now watching something horrible with myson on my chest, and she'll be

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on the couch across and just thesounds that come out of my speakers again,
zombies eating flesh, people screaming forhelp. So she's like, can
you just lower that just a littlebit? So I got no one to
talk to you about it. So, having rewatched The Walking Dead, I
need to vent and to talk aboutit and how my feelings changed since the

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first time around, because the firsttime around, I was able to.
I mean, I had some friendsthat watched it when it was new,
when it was on every Sunday.I was big into going on Twitter back
then and meeting because that was justthat's one of the fun things about Twitter
I don't know if it still isfor people, is when there's a live
event and everyone in hashtagging, andthat's how I love doing that for The

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Walking Dead and Fear the Walking Dead. So this was a completely different experience.
I guess said to myself, Ihave a lot of time just alone
with this kid. I just randomlystarted it from episode one and I think
maybe in a month month and ahalf I finished the entire series. Wow,
So I could I was thinking aboutmaybe doing because I can't talk to

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Harrison about it yet, So maybeI'll save this from what he's older I
made just like this morning, becauseif I took notes throughout the entire time,
we would be here for hours onend. I can't do that because
there were just things that I appreciatedmore. There were things that bothered me
just seeing how flawed some of thecharacters are. But that's the point of
the show. Just it it gotI needed to prevent with somebody and of

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course with your Walkers and Talkers archive, we'll call it like that. And
you and you're being a fan moreso, I think because I maybe you'll
convince me to get back into Fearthe Walking Dead because I gave up on
that. I almost gave up onThe Walking Dead in the last season,
last season and a half, andyou just watched the finale, which I

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did not like at the time.So this kind of renewed it, especially
as I finished binging a Netflix DeadCity premiere. So it's like it just
continues. So this is something that'sis continuing and just I want to talk
about it and hopefully there are peopleout there that we'll talk about it with
us when this episode comes out.Well, I'm curious as to the differences

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you saw in the show from watchingit weekly to binging it because I find
a lot of shows that are writtento be seen every week don't play as
well when you binge them, right, because things are happening too quickly.
Part. For me, shows thatare weekly, I like the suspense of
waiting the next week. I likegoing on YouTube and watching breakdown videos and

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reading theories in Easter egg videos orwhat did I miss and in that week?
Then I'm all ready for the nextepisode. But if it's if I
binge a show, I'll give you. For instance, you and I are
old enough. I think you're oldenough to have watched Friends when it was
new. Yeah, did you watch? Okay, if you watched the show
Friends on a weekly basis, thenyou played along with Ross and Rachel's trials

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and tribulations over the course of years. And when the season ended and she
went to the airport to see himand he took off without her, and
then he lands at you know,and you waited all summer and he gets
off the plane with his new girlfriendfrom China. You understood the angst of
that whole time, right, Andfor you and for me, the Ross

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and relationship episode was nine years right, and you you you you wanted some
outcome, But if you watched thewhole thing in a month, it's like,
oh, he was with Rachel,they broke up, they were on
it, they were on a break, and then she was with Joey.
It all happened in the span ofa few weeks. There was no time
for you to latch onto anybody.And so I find that when I used

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to have an internship program at themorning show, the interns who all binged
it because you know, it's aclassic show. They all like, oh,
I liked Rachel with Joey, orI never understood the Ross and Rachel
relationship. Well, yeah, becauseit was written to be years long,
it doesn't play to watching it intwo weeks. It's a whole different thing.
It's like she again, going backa little bit further, but cheers

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Sam and Diane on the show.Again, it's an older show. The
whole thing was a will there won'tthey for years? But if that only
lasts you two weeks, you don'tget the angst and the and understand the
tension from episode to episode because toyou, it's like it only lasted a
few hours and then they were dating. So I'm interested in The Walking Dead

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if it plays differently binging it thanweek to week and The Saviors being two
and a half seasons, whereas peoplethought that was very long and it was
too long under the thumb of Nigan, but for someone who binges it,
it might have been a week.You're right, that's a that's a great
point and something similar. I hadthe viewpoint when I binge watched I've maybe
five or six times already Lost,which is my one of my favorite shows

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ever, obviously right, but toeaziness, the week to week of what
what am I watched? That?What's going to happen? Frustrations and be
like, oh they got me again? Yeah so cloud So it was like
that maybe at the beginning with theoriginal cast and knowing what since I remember
the first maybe five six seasons reallywell, I enjoyed the ride going quickly

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because I knew where it was going, and I met characters that I remembered
how much I hated, Like Ihated Andrea. I couldn't wait for her
to die. I could, okaythat the original cast because I guess I
felt she was so holier than nowand you know everyone is suffering. She's
like my sister, my sister.I mean, everyone lost everybody I know.

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Well, you know, she wasn'tsupposed to die well in the in
the comics, she's the one thathas the long term relationship with Rick,
not mashone. In the comics,Carol kills herself or allows herself to be
killed by a walker very early on. Out from being abused by her husband
and the depression. She dies relativelyquickly, and so the showrunner decided to

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kill Andrea. I think she hadjust bought a house, signed a long
term contract, and they were like, no, you're dying. We are
you're talking about I'm supposed to bethe character that goes on a Rick Like,
yeah, we're getting rid of you. And so they gave Carol the
role, and then they gave wasshown the role of the dating part because
Carol wasn't going to date Rick,and so maybe they didn't like the Andrea

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character either. I don't remember thereason for it, but she was pissed.
She was for years. She wassuing them, I think because they
had led her to believe she'd bethere a while. So this is why
you're the right guy. I say, I didn't know this. You know,
I'm watching this really as a fan, and you know, I did
some of those Walking Dead wiki pagesand read it up on things as I'm
going along and everything, And I'mglad you brought up to comics, because

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I shamefully that's why I'm not areal nerd. I'm I'm poser nerd.
I haven't read the comics. Maybewhen Horrorson gets sold enough, you know,
we'll read those graphic novels and I'llhave that experience for the first time.
But yeah, just like characters likelike her, because I guess found
her the way she was written kindof annoying, even though I liked Dale

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was funny. And I'm talking aboutthe original season, the original because if
you if you were ever a fanof The Walking Dead, I'm sure that
the original group sticks with you.There might be characters you would get along
the way, but the original group, you know, Shane and everyone,
and so I mean Darryl. I'mjust waiting for him to die. I'm
waiting for all the mistakes that Carl'smaking, you know, I'm just waiting

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for them to happen. But Ireally paid attention to the arc of Rick,
of course, again because he wasmy favorite character. And that's kind
of where I lost interest when heleft the show, and Maggie when she
came in, because she's continuing,so just to get through the first the
original cast, and but then tobe reminded that they were going to DC

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and then they found that they wentto the CDC and they were talking about,
you know, just how the howit affects everybody and just breaking down
the science of the of the worldof how this happened or what's happening.
But that was just being reminded ofhow much I wish that storyline continued,

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because that just died basically there afterthat whole the CDC blew up. It
was all about going from group togroup to group to group and who was
the next leader, who was nomore science, who was no more trying
to figure this out? So justbeing reminded of, like I really loved
where this show was going with thatwhen that door opened, when Rick screaming

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let us in, let us in, and he finally let us in,
and I'm like, wow, Ican't wait to see where this goes.
Just being reminded of that let downand knowing at least knowing this time that
that's it, not like, oh, I wonder if they talk about how
the disease started again. Just knowingthat's not going to happen, help me
enjoy and get through things quicker.Well, I think that's why they did

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that. They didn't want you tryingto find are every season. They wanted
to make sure you knew there wasno hope, except for Eugene, who
had the cure. You know,he knew how to fix that thing.
I will tell you if if youI'm sure you are aware, but in
case you're not. Doctor Jenner Ibelieve was his name, Jenna was the
guy at the CDC. Well,he shows up again at the end of
Walking Dead World Beyond because they findthey're in France and they find I think

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it was a DVD player or videoof Jenner talking about how the virus started.
And in France they had walkers thatcan run and open doors and climb,
which we saw towards the end ofThe Walking Dead. There was some
variants, but apparently in France that'sa thing. That's how they that's how
they are. And so the WalkingDead World Beyond was supposed to lead into

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the Rick and Machone Show and theDarryl spinoff, which takes place in France.
So I think you're going to seemore of Jenna and more of the
history of the virus. Oh cool, even though there's no cure. Okay,
well, that's that's something. Iappreciate that because there are plenty of
things in this world that have nocure. But I guess I want to

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know how this has happened, whythis happened. I mean, the closest
thing we've had recently is COVID,and we all have our theories, but
at least like we can kind oftrace it back. Is it a bat
it wasn't, you know, withthe government whatever, So it's I want
at least have more of that ratherthan I don't think. I don't know
if they're well, it implies ifI remember correctly, because it's almost a
year ago. I think I thinkthey implied it was an experiment that got

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out of hand, but they didn'treally come out and fully say it.
I don't. According to Kirkman,who's not involved with the show anymore,
okay, he said he would neverreveal the origins of the virus okay completely.
That doesn't mean he won't, andit doesn't mean the show won't allude
to it, but it sounded like, Okay, it was man made and

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it got out of hand somewhat,something more. I want something more.
But that's good you've got. I'ma little bit more excited and you which
sounds weird at the context, butif you mentioned the world beyond, which
I tried the first few episodes,and I guess it harkens back to a
lot of my feelings rewatching The WalkingDead because I hate every single child actors

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of all of them. I meannot the actors are wonderful actors, which
are wonderful people in real life,but every single kid, I guess I
hate them all. Harrison, thosegirls, I'm like think, I'm looking
at him like I would not teachyou, I would train you to be
better. And the Zombie Apocalypse,then all these kids that either are like

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Carl who just thinks that they canpersonally save the world by saving strangers,
or just be a dumb I hadto write down some of these, uh
that didn't work out well for him, No it didn't, or like Sam
and Henry, you know, justlike these wimpy kids that try to be
so I hated. I want toshow about kids the two kids from from

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seasons six. You're talking about Samand what was his brother's name, Uh,
Henry right, Henry, Yes,Samon. No, Henry was the
the from the Kingdom. But anyway, the two Sam from from season six.
He was supposed to be an idiotkid who was going to get killed,
you know. But the world Beyondwas supposed to be from where they

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pitched it was people who lived atin a well, in a in a
closed area. But it was goingto be more about a younger generation that
grew up in the Apocalypse. ButI assumed that meant real badass fighters who've
grown up knowing how to fight.Instead, it was like watching a Disney
program where like, oh do Ihit him with a brick? Do I

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hit him? I don't know whatto do? Oh my god, you
know, how do you not trainthe kids? You gotta get him in
the head, And like they tooktraining, but they didn't and they weren't
good at it, and they itwas just the whole thing was stupid.
The whole the whole thing was atease to get you to watch because you
hoped it would tell you more aboutwhere Rick was and the CRM and the
and the logo and all of thatand where Jadis was from and what that

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whole story was, right, becausethat was that was Redcond. I don't
think that the garbage people had anythingto do it with. I know that
there was a CRM logo on acan of food she ate once, but
I don't I don't know if that'swhere it was going back then, that
she was going to be a generalin the military, and you know,
I don't know. I think theyRedcond a lot of that. But Well,
beyond was terrible. Everyone on theshow was terrible. The writing was

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terrible, the actors were terrible,the kids were awful, and it was
it was it was. It wasjust awful. Every every it was painful.
And I had to watch it becauseI was doing the Walkers and Talkers
podcast, okay, and you obligate, you like, oh what then,
why did you watch it? David? Well, I watched him because I
was like, oh, we haveto review it and maybe there'll be a
breadcrumb about you know, Jadis orCRM or Rick or anything. And you

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know, it took most of theseason to find out anything. And then
I don't know spoilers, but whenanyone died on the show or lost a
limb. You're like, good,there's less of that person I have to
worry about, right, see exactly, And the it was Samon Ron as
the older brother. Yes, andyou don't care about the characters dying on
a show, then there's no pointin watching the show. The thing that
made The Walking Dead great the firstfew seasons was anybody could die at any

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moment. And then when it becamea hit, then it became no one's
really gonna die except maybe peripheral peopleand new characters and maybe someone that wants
off the show. And right,and I wasn't rooting other than like Andrea,
I wasn't really rooting for anybody todie, you know. That was

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that happened when I was watching TheFeared the Walking Dead, which I don't
know, maybe I gave up seasonthree or four. I'm I hate everybody.
I hate everybody. And there wereless zombies I felt in that series,
or at least in the first fewcouple of seasons then The Walking Dead,
because if even if there were charactersthey didn't like, or an episode
I didn't like, there was enoughgore or something else to, you know,

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to my appetite. So yeah,but even the Walking Dead, I
think the last gory thing that theyshowed maybe I could be wrong, was
the Redheaded woman who she's in alot of Hallmark movies. She was one
of them, one of the Unigans. What was his group called again,

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I forget the s Yeah, shewas one of the saviors. And it
was when Carol and Maggie were heldup and the Redhead was torturing Carol.
Um they got captured and then thezombie bitter face off like pulled her cheek.
Yeah. After that, they toneddown the violence. They toned down
the gore. And even even likeyou watched Now a Dead City, if

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people get killed, they just getswarmed, but you don't see anything.
There was that one where he likeshowed the old Nigan. I mean,
I don't they cut a guy's throatand we get some making guts or whatever.
I mean. If you've been listeningto this spoiler alert, if it's
too late for anything, it wasalmost cartoonish, and it was and that
scene made no sense. If wewe're talking about it, let's talk about

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it. He kills the guy andit was nobody in the show you care
about, So it's not long,you're spoiling anything, and there's there's people
from this group, right, Niganand Maggie show up. The whole shows
coincidences. That's it. That's allthat show is. They show up and
I'll list some of them. Butthey show up at this again. It's
Manhattan. They're looking for a manwho kidnaped Maggie's kid. That's the plot

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of the show. In the islandof Manhattan, a massive place with massive
buildings. Anyone building is bigger thanwhere they've ever been in Georgia, right
right, They find people who areseems the only survivors who are at war
with the guy they're looking for.The one day they show up is when

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they get raided by the bad guyseither looking for and then when he cuts
the guy's throat open, the peopleat the bottom of the balcony on the
floor, they don't move, andI like, why are you sitting there?
Why? He's like putting his intestinesand guts on you, right,
and he loses his body over andthey don't move. It was like they

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were looking at a green screen andthey didn't time it right. Because if
you throw blood and none of themgot splattered, it was. There's no
thought process. There's so much killing, but nobody gets blood on them.
Right. The little girl, JennyNigan's girl. She somehow finds a motorcycle
twelve years after the apocalypse or whateverit's been, that has enough gas and

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she knows how to ride a motorcyclefrom Virginia to Manhattan with no problem.
No walkers that stopped her getting away, Nobody jumps her, no one tries
to take a motorcycle from her.She just finds a motorcycle, goes to
New Jersey and then finds something tofloat over to Manhattan and again goes exactly

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where Nigan and Maggie are. That'sridiculous that she ends up in the same
build and the and the detective,this is the sheriff. He finds them.
First of all, why is hegoing to Manhattan looking for them?
Second of all, you land onManhattan. They left no clues as to
where they are. He finds thebuilding they're hiding in. If you're listening

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to this podcast or watching it,you've never been to Manhattan. I can't
explain to you that on any givenday, I know that to thee apocalypse,
there's I don't know eight million peoplewalking around. There are skyscrapers,
the short skyscrapers, or forty fiftystories the short ones, And somehow everybody

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finds everybody. And then there's tenthousand walkers surrounding Madison Square Garden. And
then the guy blows open his owndoors and all the walkers come in.
And when I say all the walkers, I mean like a hundred and somehow,
because I was thinking to myself,why don't they run up the stairs
at the Madison Square Garden, whichby the way, was the Brendan Burn

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Arena in New Jersey, didn't evenfilm it tow York. Why don't you
run up the stairs? Walkers can'trun upstairs? But then they show walkers
coming down from the second floor.How did the walkers break into the building
on the first floor find their wayto the second floor at the same speed
as the walkers who are on thefirst floor. These are good questions.
Then they're all standing there you hadalready seen previously. There's an octagon like

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a steel cage match UFC cage inthe middle of the floor of what they're
saying is Madison Square Garden, right, it's up two steps from the ground,
so to get on the platform,you climb two steps and then if
you want, you open the gateand would get in there and fight.
Well, there's I don't know eightof them that are now on the floor

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of the arena, standing right outsidea caged octagon. And when hundreds of
walkers pile in, they decide tofight them in all directions rather than fight
their way through one direction. Butalso go in the cage. Go in
the cage. You have a locked, a lockable, gated cage you can

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hide in. But none of themdo that. All they had to do
is walk up a step. Walkerscan't go up the steps very quickly.
Go up two steps and now youhave height advantage over them. No,
they all they all go at themhead on, and of course all the
non stars of the show get eaten, but you don't see it. They
just get surrounded. You saw theuse of the episode, right, I

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haven't seen that one. Yes,that's the I won't ruin it for you.
Then, I won't tell you wholives, who dies. But here's
what I'll tell you. Because we'redoing a podcast, and you said we're
doing spoilers, I won't tell youanything. Okay, there's a couple on
the show, a mail and afemale couple. Because I've seen the first
three episodes, I believe okay,you're about to see it. And the
mail of the couple in this fightgets pulled down by and pulled away by

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thirty forty walkers, and the femalescreamed like you would, right, yeah,
and then they go about fighting,and then the whole show happens.
And later on in the episode,because you didn't see the guy die,
he just comes out of nowhere andhe's back. Now, if you saw
your loved one and you thought theywere eating by zombies all of a sudden

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appear, fine, what would yourreaction be, Brandon? I would be
confused, right, but also happy, Yeah, oh my god, you're
alive. She looks at him andgoes, let's go like, let's run
this way. No reaction. Now, if the writers don't think of that,
wouldn't the actress say, well,shouldn't I be excited to see my

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partner? I thought he was dead, now he's not, And I look
at him and go, huh,like it's nothing right, that's the kind
of writing on the show. Well, so now that I have your narration,
I having really think I'm gonna enjoythis the new Dead City. Sorry
if you, Sorry guys, ifyou, if you, if I gave
away too much, I apologize.I really didn't give away any any major

(29:07):
plot points other than there's a lotof holes in the plot. Well every
episode. That's I guess that's kindof the it's a big word, I
know, juxtaposition of watching these kindof things in horror in general, the
decisions people make, and I mean, obviously they have to make bad decisions,
otherwise there wouldn't be a show.There wouldn't be right. But things
have to make sense. Maggie hasn'tseen Nigan in years and she wants to

(29:32):
find him, so she just goesand finds them. Well that's what's that's
part of the decisions where I'm like, did I even want to watch Dead
City? And if I didn't dothe rewatch, I mean, maybe I
were to watch your first episode reasonbeing after you know, against spoiler alert.
You know, Nigan bashes in Glenn'shead and Maggie there to witness it

(29:56):
or her husband and everything. Howcan that ever be okay? How can
they have a series together? Sojust going through and seeing what Maggie became
and watching her relationship again with Glenn, how it started. I mean,
I know it's Hollywood. I knowthere are a lot of in Hollywood.
The usually the fat, ugly guyswith the beautiful girl. I mean,

(30:17):
she's out of Oh. Glenn wascute. Yeah, it was cute,
but I mean Maggie's I don't know. I know, you're in a zombie
apocalypse, Brandon, you know whatI mean. So you take what you
can get. And I think theywere fine. Yeah. My problem,
my problem the Niggan the Negan Maggierelationship. The Naggie the Naggie, right,
or the or the Megan me theMegan. My problem with the relationship

(30:41):
is that they're trying very hard.She's trying hard not to forgive him,
and he's trying hard to show her. Hey, look we all did we
had to do. You guys killedthirty of my people before I haven't met
you. Right, All I didwas killed two people. Glenn killed people
in their sleep at that satellite building, right, right. So listen,
they were blackmailing Hilltop and they wereblackmailing Kingdom. They weren't good people.

(31:04):
Let's not let's not make them outto be good guys. But they weren't
that much worse than Rick's group,right, They weren't as bad as De
Terminus people, but they were bad. And look, he reveled in killing
Glen. He probably didn't need tokill Glenn. He was making a point.
But over the course of his redemptionarc, and he's done some things.

(31:26):
He saved Herschel in the Snowstorm,right, I think it was Herschel
who saved right, Yeah. Andhe saved Herschel in The Walking Dead again
when they were in that apartment building. He's done enough, you know.
He killed Alpha even though he burnedon Hilltop spoiler. He's done some things
to earn some credibility back. ButI don't remember what episode it was on

(31:52):
Dead City, but he's talking toMaggie about how I was only Nigan,
the bad Nigan, to keep mypeople together, right. I was only
doing that to be their leader.I was only doing that because it's what
I thought was the best way tokeep them safe. That sounds really good,
except he made people kneel, heironed their faces. He stole people's

(32:15):
wives and had sex with them,which is even though he was against rape,
he coerced women to be his wives. Well, he would throw them
out, So don't tell me hewas saving them. You saved the women
if they slept with you. Yeah, that was a dumb, dumb answer.
The more appropriate answer is what youwere talking about. And that's also
part of the rewatch is seeing howwho's really good who's really bad because a

(32:38):
lot of the conversation. This issomething else I did differently this time.
I didn't watch Talking Dead, whichI spent a lot of time, so
I would watch so I would watchthat after the episodes, and that would
be how I would kind of eventby watching that and tweeting. But to
see Rix hark of where he wasand he's somebody that killed his best friend

(33:00):
Shane. Oh well he needed toin the second I know, but there
are episodes like did he need to? Or could he jailed him? Like
he didn't Nigan is I think heknew that Shane Listen Rick Rick grew in
the series, right, he sawthere was redemption for people's years and years
later. Don't forget what he killedMegan or I mean a cut Megan's throat.

(33:21):
There were time jumps, right,so that was like six years later.
Then then when he killed Shane yes, yes, and he was.
He also want a Shane banged hiswife and was Karl's father. Yeah,
you know, but I think hekilled Shane because Shane didn't just kill Otis.
Shane was a killer. Shane waseverything Rick was fighting to stop happening

(33:45):
in an apocalypse that they needed tobe better than that. And I and
look, Shane was trying to killhim. If we watched the scene they
were fighting with each other. Rickdidn't just walk up and kill him.
No, No, Shane was bottingthat. I'm just wondering if it could
have played out differently because of howRick changes and how he treats certain people

(34:07):
that were deemed enemies later on.And it's like, if I don't forget
he had communities, he had hehad an actual jail cell that was built,
he had he had a lot ofresources. When when that happened that
the at Herschel's farm, they didn'tknow where their next meal was coming from.
They didn't know, you know,So I think he knew that there
was no saving Shane. He knewhe was a hot headed cop. But

(34:30):
now he's willing to kill anyone forany reason. He was. He killed
that kid in the woods, youknow that they were going to release oh
Randall. Yeah, I wanted tobring him up. Yeah, killed him,
the dad from the Marvelous Miss Maisel, right. Um. The fact
that that they opened up the barn, you know, he like he destroyed

(34:52):
whatever Herschel was trying to do withthe barn. Now, it was the
right move to open up the barnbecause he was keeping walkers his pets.
But he was a loose cannon.He was, and he wasn't He wasn't
fixable. You could have sent himoff, but he wouldn't have left.
He would have said, this wasmy group. You you joined us.
Then It's interesting to see the arcthough again of Rick, who has so
many ups and downs where and thisis after and Glory dies and he Rick

(35:20):
because freaking loses it, loses hismind almost comes, you know, almost
comes to blow with Glenn very quickly, you know, with the prisoners and
just the way he treats people isvery different. But then he'll become you
know, farmer Rick and there I'mjust I know, I'm jumping around here
there. It's either what he didwith Randall and wanting to save people,

(35:45):
or it was I think you mighthave been with one of these Saviors where
he's like, it's a man's word, it's you know that, we'll get
up and we'll get out of here. Where they were all trapped in a
cabin and zombies were coming in,walkers were coming in, and he Rick
ends up and he was with himand Morgan and Rick ends up shooting these
guys and he's like, I thoughtwhen the guys is dying, He's like,

(36:07):
you gave our word, you know, give your word. He's like,
I was lying, you know,I was lying when they were in
the barn. Yeah, So they'rejust to see him go from well,
you know, he looked at thedeer when he was talking about Carl when
he got shot. The first thingthat he when he woke up, he
spoke about the deer. He spokeabout something beautiful, not the dead,

(36:29):
like he wants to save everybody.But again there are times like what's this
go in and I get Terminus neededto have that happen, go in and
just start killing people, Or whenthey hit that outpost for the Saviors and
they killed people in their sleep,so he was like that too. So
there we was Shane. There waslike Shane in him, and I guess
part of it is too was rewatchingthat Shane character, wondering what he would

(36:53):
have done too, like or maybewishing I got some more episodes out of
him, knowing how long they draggedNigan out. Well, I think I
think Shane was a foreshadowing of like, Shane got to the place he got
to sooner than everybody else did.Yeah, Yeah, Shane was already there.
Shane had already seen enough. Hesaid, we gotta kill people,

(37:15):
We gotta whatever we gotta do tosurvive. Yeah, And I don't I
think Rick, being asleep in thecoma for a year, whatever it was,
I don't think he had a fullyfull understanding of when the world fell
apart, what people had to doto get to that point. We never
saw that on Unwalking Dead. Wesaw it on Fear, but we never
saw the collapse of the government andthe the pandemonium and what you had to

(37:37):
do to get to that point wherethose people found each other. You know,
Rick woke up and Georgia was wasa mess, Atlanta was shut down.
He missed all of that, somaybe he would have had a better
understanding of where Shane was. Butstill, the ODIs thing that was hard.
That was harsh when they you know, that was harsh. I mean

(37:57):
to make that kind of decision whereOtis is a good guy. Shane wasn't
being a bad guy, but hethat moment, I think, but he
was like, I have to.It's either we're both gonna die or I'm
gonna die. I gotta sacrifice thisguy. And if he did it to
save Glenn, which you know,not Glenn, Yeah, he's the Glenn.
Right, I'm sorry I alluded toI think I said earlier that Shane

(38:20):
was was they did his father,not Glenn. Shane was Judath's father.
I think I said Shane was Glenn'sfather. Shame was Judath's father. And
they were trying and they were tryingto save um, what's the Carl.
I don't know why I said Glenn, I Carl. That was what I
meant this time. So, um, yeah, he was trying to save
Carl with the the supplies they neededand and so yeah, if he dragged

(38:45):
Otis, if he and Otis ran, maybe they wouldn't have gotten away.
But you're certainly not gonna let Otisget away if you shoot him in the
lake. Right, So oh,yeah, he made a decision like I'm
the one getting away coming back andhe's sacridic So it's one of those decisions
like him or me? And youknow, I guess that those are the
good moral decisions that come up inthe show, like what would you do

(39:06):
at that time? You know,I don't think those are maybe the bad
decisions or some people think like makebad decisions, like why did you do
this? Like I just think hewas such a silly decision, like how
Carl died, Like I just thinkhe was really dumb. What he like
the risk he's taking at that pointto save one person. Yeah, he
know he was a doctor, hewas a saving of life, and I

(39:28):
understand that was a point that hewas making and the letters that he wrote
and all this, But it's justthe the domino effect of just some of
the silliness of that that kid Henryat the Kingdom trying to save the Lydia
from the whisperers and she everyone keepsdying. I'm like, who. In
the long run, it was kindof because like a waste of a storyline

(39:50):
to save somebody, it was abig deal, but you fast forward that
person died anyway for like no reason, So well, but did they died
five years later or three years later? Right? You know? You want
the call thing was a dumb wayto go, Yeah, it was.
And and to get bitten on theside and we didn't even see it happened
really and and then it was like, oh yeah, I got bit.
Um. I thought that was aweak way for him to go. And

(40:15):
the actor who played um the characterhe saved the doctor. Um, you
know, he didn't last that long, but he did save lives along the
way, yes, you know.Um. And by the way, I
Alvi Nash who who played him.I'm drawing a blank on his name.
It's been a while. Um.Do you remember the doctor's name? I

(40:37):
don't. It was one of thosecharacters that I guess. I mean,
I can look it up now,but it's just one of those characters I
didn't initially care about, and Icared about more so later and I realized
what you're saying that he did impactother people and he ended up being the
father of Rosida's baby. So hewas Sadiq Sadiq there you go, Yeah,

(40:58):
sadiqu The actor who played Sadik avNash was on Silo, which I'm
watching now, which is a sciFi show on Apple TV, and I'm
like, oh my god, there'sSadik. Okay, he's a good actor.
I like him. He's good.But the fact that he had to
live with the burden that Glenn diedbecause of him though, that was a
nice, well written thing that hecarried on Glenn. Carl died with him,

(41:20):
right, guy keeps saying, Glenn, I'm sorry Carl died. I
did a podcast for the Walking Dad. It's just I'm sorry. It's been
it's been a year since I didthe podcast. So no, yes,
um, Carl died because of savingSadik. So he always carried that with
him, that you know, I'mhere for a reason. And Carl had
this vision of what society should be. I get it. I just think

(41:43):
he was overly careless for a guywho's Rick's son. It seemed foolish to
go the way it did. Thecarelessness and just a little minutia thing that
I would notice just through with anyof the characters when they're like creeping up
on either Walkers or another group.How do you know? And I think
there's even continued in the excuse mein a dead city? How do you

(42:06):
not look down at your feet andto see if you're going to step on
a piece of broken glass or atwig, Like, how is that not
part of your Like when I leavethe house, wallet phone, keys,
like it should be you look behindyou, you look beneath you if you're
gonna make it. But it's continuouslyso many fuck ups happened because you made
that little sound on the ground.Just one of those things that is continuously

(42:28):
bothered me. If you're living inthis world for years at this point,
you shouldn't have a reactionary to dolist when you go out there? Oh
absolutely, But how many times didwe see people get killed because there was
a walker coming up behind them andthey turned around too late? Right,
So you should always have your headon a swivel. Right, how do
you not always like you're back againsta wall, and if you're in the

(42:49):
woods, have you back against atree? But you should always be listening
for walkers. But somehow they're likeyou know, they turn around and it's
on them. And the heroes alwaysmanaged to keep them at arm's length from
biting them. But the people thatare gonna the bad guys, they just
go ah and they get bitten.Well, it's the old adage like the
old Indiana and Jones movies. Iknow there are new ones, but like

(43:12):
you can take a million shots setIndiana and Jones. He doesn't get hit,
but he was take one shot atthe bad guy and you know five
of them fall down. You knowit's a Star Wars effect. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. I'd be remissedbecause we would be here because it's so
funny. Obviously, this show hasbeen broken down ad nausea. I'm not
just by your your podcast, butby other ones and TV shows and fan

(43:36):
fiction and but again, I needto get this out because I have no
one else to talk to you aboutit. How underrated the governor was I
think, as a bad guy anda villain and couldn't have easily potentially be
more evil than Nigan because he couldhave had a redemption arc, but he
didn't wanted. Nigan was trying toprove himself I'm not that guy anymore.

(43:59):
And you would say, like whenthe governor killed like his old uh you
know, lieutenant or whatever, whenthe governor was gone and he came back
after he recruited that family and hekilled that guy on top of when they
were golfing off the top of thev in the RV and he kills him
with the golf club. He's like, I don't you know. He's like,

(44:19):
oh, I'm not that guy anymore. No, you are still that
guy. He never changed that.He's that guy up until what are the
most hurtful deaths for me? BecauseI really love the character, the old
Herschel and you know, Rick,we can change tears, tears in his
eyes and you can see in someof like the in his people, the
Governor's people, like when you meetTaroor, they're questioning it. He's like,

(44:42):
never, you know, no liar, and he cuts him. Herschel's
head went off with the sword.So that up until the bitter end,
that the governor was just fucking eviland could have like you saw the moments
where it's like almost he got hisfamily back, his pseudo family back.
When he's taking care of the younggirl and he cares about her, But
he didn't hesitate when she was bittenat all, when she was bitten by

(45:06):
his zombie just to shoot her inthe head. Didn't hesitate. So I'm
looking back, I'm Michael. Everyonewas all frothing at the mouth at well.
My wife says that Jeffrey Dean Morganis hot. You know, a
good looking guy. But I meanthe governor was a good looking guy too,
even with the eye patch. Yeah. You look back at the governor's
arc and the guy, his um, his assistant, the medical guy,

(45:30):
the redhead he and um, what'syou said? You don't like her?
What was her name? Andrew?Andrew? Sorry, I really am good
with the walking down. I swearwhen he and when he and Andrea they
had a chance to kill him,right, Remember they were wie I think
right. They were looking at himfrom above, right, and they were

(45:51):
like, okay, we can shoothim right now, and they chose not
to. Well, he stopped herfrom shooting him, right, That's what
I'm saying. Yeah, and thenhe's the real he died from because he
died the governor killed him, andthen he bit Andrea. So the two
of them died, and they bothcould have been alive had they taken out

(46:12):
the government. Yeah, because thekiller instinct. Andrea could have done it
because Carol suggested sleeping with him anddoing and killing him in his sleep,
and she had that moment and againrewatching it. In those moments, like
man, you could have ended likea whole season, both of you if
you just killed the governor and somany other people. So it's like those
silly descants. Why didn't she killhim because it was wrong? Because she

(46:35):
thought she's so good in him?Yeah, I thought she could change him,
or because she liked the lifestyle.She liked living in the town with
the food, in the electricity andeverything. I think all of it,
probably all of it, you know, all of that. But yees,
seeing those moments frustrating again not likingthe Andrea character and being like, well,
that's why she died, but itdone something she didn't Yeah, yeah,

(46:55):
well again, these are the decisionsthat I guess making and for us
to watch what we would do,what we would do if we were put
in the same situation. And Ido like how it was almost like following
a yellow brick road with Terminus tojump to that story. You know,
I'm gonna jump around now because wecould be here forever and maybe we'll do

(47:16):
this again, because I mean,we will do this again, because I
mean the shows are continuing spinoffs andyou know Rick movies or not movies,
Terminus that they had a place togo, they had a real destination and
they weren't just like, let's trythis city, let's try this town,
and to see what those people turnedinto. And I thought it was pretty
cool. I Texas Chainsaw Massacre,he sold the body parts blood. I

(47:39):
just thought that was a fun story. Very brutal, and which the where
they they would slash throats and justhave their blood pour out in this trough,
very very brutal. That's the kindof you know, you need to
have that. I think in thiskind of if we were talking about how
we kind of lessened in the laterseasons, the brutality. The brutality because

(48:00):
the Glenn thing killed the ratings,A lot of people thought it was two
over the top gory. A lotof people were sad that Glenn got killed
because they loved Glenn. And Idon't think the Walking Dead knew what to
fix first. They're like, wegotta fix something, we gotta fix something.
Everyone's upset, and so they youknow, there was a scene where
Daryl killed Joey, one of theSaviors, and allegedly it was a much

(48:24):
bloodier scene that they edited down tomake it look like a very quick killing.
But that was the start of it, and they started interviewing people like,
oh, when you film that scene, was it originally? I don't
know. That's I don't you know. They were all playing dumb because The
Walking Dead made a conscious effort tocut down on the gore. But the
gore and the dying and the killingand all that was part of what the

(48:45):
show was about. The show wasabout anyone could die at any moment,
even the lineup when the Whisperers killedall those people on the pikes. In
the comic book, King Ezekiel wasone of the heads, right, it
was some I don't it was.There was some other um um, oh
god, I'm drunk. Blank Abraham'sgirlfriend, h I guess said her.

(49:10):
I'm I'm every Kain. I'm theone who rewatched it, so screw me.
And she just died. I guesswatched her die like a week ago.
Yeah, Rosita, Yeah his Zadikuhad Rozida's baby, right, So
comics spoiler, there were there were. It was a it was a bigger
shock on who was the heads wereon the pike and they didn't like Ezekiel

(49:34):
doesn't doesn't die like he and Ididn't want him to die. But that's
my problem. The show. Thisshow is supposed to was supposed to kill
important people. And it's not likeEzekiel's done so much after that. He
was fine, But what made himking Ezekiel was the Tiger and the Kingdom.
Once he lost that, he wasjust a guy with dreadlocks who Carol
didn't want to be married to anymore. Yeah, he lost his son,

(49:57):
so that that relationship was gone.You know. So if you killed them,
it would have been shocking and itwould have made you hate the Whispers
more. Instead, they killed Henry, who was a new actor from Little
Henry, and you didn't have muchattachment to Henry anyway. And I thought
Enid big deal and Tara big deal, and a couple of guys that threw

(50:17):
in that were from that biker gangltwo of them got killed. I mean,
it was nice when they showed theflashback that they tried to save them.
Yeah, right, the highwaymen weregood man. You're like, oh,
they were good men. So itwas fine, you know, but
it was like, you, Idon't know, if you're into sports at
all, you know that I am. Yeah, okay, I mean if
people watching, if you're not intosports, you may not get this reference.

(50:39):
But a lot of times when youlisten to sports radio, a fan
of a team will suggest the tradeand they'll say, we would like to
get that superstar on the Yankees.So what we're gonna do is we're gonna
give this guy who's a sea andthen a couple of like a sea level
talent that we don't care about,a couple of minor leaguers aren't gonna mount

(51:00):
anything, and then a couple ofscrubs that nobody cares about. And you
feel like, well, if wegive them eight or nine people that that
we that we don't want, they'regonna jump at the chance to give us
that superstar. Right, anytime anyoneproposes a trade on sports radio, it's
always the guy he's okay, andthe guy who's going to be a free
agent, and then a couple ofscrubs and then some we'll throw in some

(51:22):
some prospects. Right, That's whatthe lineup was. It was Henry,
who's like a C level character whoI wanted to die. So I wanted
to die, Enid who was aD level bench player, pinch hitter.
I felt bad for her though,you know, watching her, she had
a raw deal. But anyway,Arra was like the outfielder who was like

(51:45):
hitting two forty right, She's like, okay, they killed Tara, but
did you care? All right,you killed Tara. That's what it was
like. Instead of killing one bigperson, you traded one good person for
eight scrubs. Fair enough, fairenough, so it didn't have the impact.
Yes, Carol was upset, heradopted son was killed, and Ezekiel

(52:07):
was upset. And if anyone's like, nobody nobody mentions Tara. Nobody's like
I missed Tara. It was likewhen Maggie lost her sister. Maggie never
talks about a sister. Oh yeah, Beth is just gone. Beth is
gone, Beth. Darryl never says, you know, Maggie, I'm just
thinking about Beth the other day.Gone, just gone. Her sister's dad

(52:27):
never's like, I remember my sisterwould have nothing. There's a few things
you mentioned there, well, Glenn, and that's obviously one of the biggest
things people know about if you watchthis series, and you're right, that
was a jumping off point for alot of people. Yeah, were you
watching it, because right from thecomics, By the way, I again,
I'm in for the Gore. I'msomebody who has seen the Human Centipede

(52:49):
trilogy no more than once, soI mean, I'm in for it all.
The mistake was I don't think necessarilykilling him, but how comical they
made it with his eye popping out. I just felt that was again,
that's that directly from the comics.The comic his eye pops out, he
gets taunted. I just think whenyou read it in a black and white
comic and it's a you're upset becauseyou lost, like people were upset in

(53:15):
the comics, I get it.But when you are a fan of Stephen
Yun and his relationship with Maggie,these are real people on a screen to
you, and then you have Nigankill him in such a he reveled in
it. Oh yeah, and hejust kept pounding and pounding and pounding away

(53:35):
his head into nothing. That allyou want at that point is within a
year, if you're not binging it, for them to get revenge on Nigan.
Right, But that was the endof season six beginning of season seven.
The War with the Saviors didn't enduntil halfway through season eight. Watching

(53:57):
that back to back to back madeit easier to something I did not enjoy
week to week because they will justbe episodes that in for the story.
You're just pining for Rick's prophecy tocome through, where I'm not going to
kill you today, I'm not goingto kill you tomorrow, right, the
same shit he told the guy infrom Terminus, but he actually did that.
But he actually did that, andyeah, and he never ends up

(54:20):
killing Megan. Right, it's thething. And speaking of Nigan and that
that arc of the year and ahalf, remember when he sat to Spencer
you got no guts and he killedhim? Yeah, yeah, you tell
me that guy is a guy beinga tough guy for the sake of his
community. The community already fears him, right, the leader of the Saviors.
He didn't need to kill Spencer.He could have told Rick that Spencer

(54:42):
was trying to stab him back.He could have punched him or beating him
up and said he didn't need tospill his guts in the middle of the
street like that. This is thewriters really trying to make Nigan the one
of the faces of the show,even because he agreed to keep doing it.
And Rick didn't know Andrew Lincoln,right, so they had to figure
out. Now. Look in thecomics, Nigan doesn't have the story arc,

(55:06):
right, he sort of he sortof joins them, if I remember
correctly. I didn't read all thecomics, but I think he helps them
towards the end when they get tothe Commonwealth, but he doesn't stay evil.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Butthis arc they've put him on.
Part of it is they needed acharacter to have on the show because some

(55:27):
of so many big names left,so he got lucky. So they made
him this character. But you can'tretcon everything, like we didn't watch it,
you can't go back go I wasputting on an act. That's a
bad it's a bad wipe away.Because what they were doing, which helped
his real real life wife Hilary Burton, and then showing who's Lucille and showing

(55:52):
what he was and what he wentthrough to maybe become Nigan, I don't
think they fully showed the transformation untilyeah, they showed him when he got
the bat and that's when he wrappedyou know, you found the barbed wire
around his house and that's when heventured out. But to make that switch
to like I'm of a stone coldkiller and reveling in it, it's hard
again to again you're right to walkthat back. But it's different for Rick

(56:20):
because even though he makes mistakes,he does some killings of that maybe you
don't agree with. They are onesthat are so vindicating. Like I really
think peak Rick. I wanted tosay this before I forget is when it
was him, carl Uh and Machownand they were trapped by the gang that
Daryl ended up being recruited by thebiker gang, the Claimers, Yes,

(56:45):
the Claimers, when he bit Ithink his character's name with Joe his throat.
To me, that is peak walkingdead because that was phenomenal desperation amongst
desperation, and mikey know what ifI that was happening to my family,
my kids, I would absolutely turnit into an animal and do this to
this bad guy. That was thebadass moment of the Seat of the series.

(57:08):
I think, I absolutely think that. And that's but when so when
Rick would stray away from that andnot kill Nigan, and I'd be like,
look like, if my you know, my son died go you know
uh and wrote me these letters,I'd be like, that's a thanks,
I'm gonna miss his son, Butyou're wrong, Neigan needs to die.
You can still change the world forthe better. But this one guy,

(57:30):
this guy needs to die. Andthat's what I feel with Maggie, where
well, thanks for saving my son, I'm still gonna kill you. That
needs to happen, hopefully, becauseI just think it's it would be the
death of the series would be ifthey don't do anything. I don't think
I was gonna ki. I don'tthink she's gonna kill him at all,
because I think she's a love interest. I'm hoping that never happens. No,

(57:52):
I think she's starting to come aroundthat he's he did an awful thing.
But you know, I think she'sfallen for it because that the writing
that into her character. They're makingthe Maggie character because they have to get
along, right, they have toaccomplish this thing. He has to save
her son. Yet again, Idon't know if either one of them dies
at the end of this thing,because you know, Lauren Cohen left The

(58:14):
Walking Dead to go do that awfulTV show where she played an agent or
a spy and that lasted, youknow, half a season. Maybe she's
not so sure where her next mealis coming from, so maybe she stays
on at some point Jeffrey Dean.Morgan's got to be like, you know,
do I need this? And maybehe does. He seems he seems
to like you know that that becausehe's a he's a costume, he's became

(58:38):
more than just a character. AndI think that's maybe why. Another is
why they want to make him andcontinue the series is that everybody was wearing
Nigan outbit, especially you know,girls were wearing it, that the leather
jacket. Yeah, but did younotice, Oh you didn't see it.
There's a flashback. I'm not gonnaruin anything, Okay, there's a flashback
in Dead City episode four where there'strying to make it look like knee Agan

(59:00):
meets the crow At, which isa stupid name. Thank you for mentioning
that the Croatian. No hearing Maggiesay the crow At like I want to,
it's so I want to laugh everytime. If they had called him
the Croatian, I would have beenlike, I'll get it. Took three
episodes to explain he was from Croatiaand that's why he's calling himself the crow
At because it just sounds like acomic book name, like he uh,

(59:23):
he whistled here the crow At withher accent the crow At. Okay,
okay, Maggie, Maggie ree,So, yeah, that's a stupid name.
And then to retcon that he waspart of the Saviors and they're talking
about him like he was a Savior. So they do a flashback and they
show him as a Savior with Megan. They go back to the time of
the of the Saviors, and Neganisn't wearing the red scarf. He's not

(59:46):
dressed like Megan, and it's itdoesn't look like Megan. It looks like
it's it's clearly Jeffrey Dean Morgan.But they didn't bother to make him look
like Jeffrey d. Morgan back then. Enough, he still kind of looks
like today's Nigan, skinny and whatever. When when we're done with this,
I'm gonna watch episode four because we'reat some point we're gonna have to again.

(01:00:07):
It has moments, but it hasa lot more. Oh well,
you gotta be kidding me. Oh, I'm sure. Twitter loves it.
Twitter loves the new show, lovesit. Oh my god, another great
episode. Oh my god, Niganand Maggie did this. Nigan and Maggie
did that. I don't want tobe a poop poo or of everything.
You know, there's there's things Ilike, but it's the fact that I'm

(01:00:30):
from New York. Number one,it's odd watching that. It's clearly not
New York. I get it,but the scope of New York. You've
got to do a better job ofexplaining. Just take a few extra minutes
and write in how a sheriff findsthem in all of the Manhattan find show
me how the little girl survives onher own and then survives. Where do

(01:00:55):
you see her in this episode?In episode four, You're like, what
what? It doesn't make any sense. I don't look. I understand.
You're watching Zombie Apocalypse. You're supposedto suspend disbelief about the fact that zombies
exist. Not fine with that,but the show still needs to make sense.
You're you're you are right. Andbecause I could easily like with the

(01:01:16):
fear of the walking Dead and farbeyond whatever, I can just world beyond
the world beald. I didn't care. I can just bounce out because again,
walking Dead is the baby. That'swhat I liked, and I really
enjoyed it the second time around.But I want to spend the last few
minutes of us chatting to talk aboutbecause I want to see the Daryl spinoff,

(01:01:37):
because I just thought he was consistentlythe best character where he didn't scray
ever too much from his core whereit was the Rick ride was fun,
but there are moments like you're like, come on, man like even though
him and Darrel were my favorite characters. But Rick, I mean, Darrel
was just basically consistent of like whohe kind of was, and I really

(01:02:00):
appreciated that. And I also don'twant this to get lost. Merle maybe
the most lovable racist of all time. He was racist, bigot, but
man was he a fun character towatch? Was great, was great,
No argument because I don't know ifI loved him. I love the character,
but I never was like, oh, I hope he'll be okay.

(01:02:22):
They were little glimpses of just likehe's just a product of his environment,
you know, Yeah, But itdoesn't mean I like him. I could
feel bad for him. I feelbad they were raised by an abusive father
in a small town and with nomeans he was abused. Oh, I
can understand and be compassionate, butI never rooted for him because I didn't

(01:02:44):
think he showed the compassion that Daryldid, and maybe he needed to be
the tough older brother to keep themalive. I get that, you know.
He was kind of like the Shaneto Rick in that kind of dynamic
where he kind of knew almost Imean, yeah, he obviously went too
far certain things, especially with thename calling, which I was not a
fan of. That he just knewwhat needed to be done to survive,

(01:03:08):
sort of, maybe more so thanDaryl, but Daryl also knows how to
survive. But Daryl would have thesemoments of just like letting his guard down,
but obviously survived at all. SoI'm just curious to see where his
life is like now, especially sincewith Carol, who has just really been
on this roller coaster ride of justweek strong, week strong, week strong,

(01:03:30):
which is relatable because she has losta lot and has been through a
lot. And I'm wondering what roleshe plays on the show because originally it
was the Daryl and Carroll Show andthen she announced that she wanted to take
a time away and she wasn't gonnabe on the show. Now. The

(01:03:50):
actress who plays Carol is a phenomenalactress, but I haven't seen her doing
any side projects or big movies,and you know, it's a shame because
he's such a great actress. Butmaybe she was holding out for more money.
Maybe she was like, no,I don't need to do this,
and because they were low balling hard, or maybe they weren't paying her as

(01:04:11):
much they were paying Darrel Norman Redis, and maybe she wasn't going to take
less. Because she's back on theshow now, whether she's back every episode,
somehow she's in France, right,somehow she got there because it's it's
not like it was in Georgia.The scenes that she's in that that have
been leaked to the public. She'sin France. Okay. Now, I

(01:04:34):
don't know how Darrell ended up inFrance. They try to make it look
like he was on a boat andit got it floated to France, and
that doesn't sound right. And I'llsay, like the last season, last
season or two, when they wouldhave solo Carrol episodes of solo solo Darrel
episodes, which I was not afan of those solo episodes, Yeah,
but I appreciated them so much morewhen binging. I just felt they created

(01:04:59):
a more well rounded story because thatwas the whole point of it. But
when you're waiting a week and thenyou just get that and nothing else is
is furthered. I found that frustratingas a fan at that time, so
I appreciate it more, especially theepisode with um the guy from Terminator,
Richard Patrick, when he kept ohin the warehouse, in the in the
warehouse with Gabe and um, what'shis robot arms? Uh? Aaron a

(01:05:27):
prisoner And by the way, thething I completely forgot during the rewatch,
how did Priest Gabe go from justbeing a whimpering toss to a bandass banging
every chick like what he got withuh Apollyana Macintosh? You know the jadis

(01:05:48):
he got Rosa Rosina what? Andthis is after he lost his eye like
oh, and I'll also say whatI think it's very funny. It's very
Simpson Simpson's esque that both men Aggiewhen she returned and Gabe when he's a
badass, they all you have todo is ed a hat. There's wear
a hat and you've completely changed characterand you're more badass than you were this

(01:06:08):
season before. It's like the MalibuStacey, No, it's different. She
has a new hat. Well,the actor who played Father Gabriel actually said
that he requested hats he was.That was part of that was part of
what you just said, Okay,that he felt that it changed who he
was when he wore a hat.That's so funny. I remember that character.
It's a show. I need torewatch his oz I remember him miss

(01:06:30):
being fantastic in oz Oh. Itwas a great show. And before I
forget Dale, it was interesting Isaw this maybe I don't know, maybe
it was a few years ago.I realized the movie they missed that both
Andrea and Dale are in there.So it's very interesting to see them like
acting together as just completely different actors. I always find that really amusing when

(01:06:53):
you see actors they would play somethingtogether in another film and they kind of
just followed along and now they're youknow, they're in a new series,
new film, which was you know, kind of I don't know, it's
it's kind of cool because he waskind of visualizing them as somebody else.
You know what I'm talking about,Yes, I do. Yeah, uh
so I'm just trying to think ofwho else because again, I wanted to
just quickly mention with the notes,uh Jesus, I wouldn't have mentioned Jesus

(01:07:16):
that his beard Tom Payne completely fakeas somebody with the beard, his beard
looked weird. H and also theamount and his beard was real. I
know it was real, but itlooked fake. Just oh, because I
guess this is a larger issue thatYeah, you would see people like Rick
all the shovels and grow beards.But then you would have some actors like

(01:07:36):
they're they're so shaped their mustache andtheir beard. When uh, when this
this one guy like certain dreads likeeven um the King's Ezekiel's, like his
dreads were always perfect, like likeeverything is something. It was just a
Dead City just product in his hair, product in his hair. He always

(01:07:58):
had the perfect like buzzing the sidesand the top of Mike, he's a
hips he's able to look like ahipster. And how are there fat people?
How are there still fat people?And and and and speaking of which
on Dead City, how they're doingthe same thing Survivor. Did remember the
first couple of seasons a Survivor itwas old people and fat people and hugly
women. No offense to those people. But then when the show got successful,

(01:08:23):
everybody became hot on the show,right, Yeah, that's what The
Walking Dead is now. Yeah,yeah, you're right. The cast of
of of of Dead City is allreally good looking people except the crow at
guy, but he's you know,he's an actor, fine, like the
people from the Rebellion, the muscularbald guy and his pretty girlfriend and where
where are the normal looking people inthe Apocalypse? I agree, and that's

(01:08:46):
why I liked the first few seasons. It was a mix of good looking
and on the where's Dale? Right? Where is that guy with the Dale
face? But I guess what Imentioned with with Jesus, I guess thought
it was so funny the amount oftimes they used the word Jesus, like,
oh, Jesus, Jesus Christ,that wasn't his name when they weren't

(01:09:06):
talking about him. So it wasjust like overkill of the word Jesus,
I guess, as like a wantto be writer they could have. You
couldn't say holy cow, Like whydo you have to keep saying Jesus's name
when you're not talking about Jesus?Again, Rick, that's just the story
I'm holding onto, so we knowthat it's no longer. I guess too

(01:09:27):
much time passed that people aren't interestedin movies. They're making a series about
it with a macheone. No.I think they never had a script for
the movie, and then COVID happened. They kept delaying the movie. Every
time they're like, Oh, themovie's gonna be out in July, we're
gonna start production in January. Theynever started production. They never had a
script they liked, and to dothree movies. I couldn't figure out a

(01:09:48):
way that they made any sense.Because if they take place after The Walking
Dead, right, then it's gonnaend with it. They're never going to
see anybody again, right, Right. If it took place before the end
of The Walking Dead, then they'dhave to come back and join the show.
Or what if the show killed peoplethat they wanted to have in the
movie? Right, it could onlybe it could only happen after The Walking

(01:10:10):
Dead ended, or they would theywould have to know the plan, they
would have to know where it's going, and you would see people from The
Walking Dead go into the movie,right, And then how do you explain
if Mashone goes to look for Rick, right, or Carol or Darryl whoever
originally was going to go look forRick. You already know that eight years

(01:10:31):
go by and they don't find him, right because it was a time jump.
Judy got old, Judith got older, there was a time jump,
and so he's gone eight or nineyears. How do you explain he never
came back, So that they're goingto try to explain how he never came
back, But then he never goesback to Alexandria because there's no reunion,

(01:10:53):
right, Maschone leaves and the showended. It just didn't seem to me
like there was a way to dothree movies if the show wasn't going to
continue. I guess, I mean, I guess the show is going to
continue for ten years. You coulddo three movies and then bring him back,
right, Michelon would come back withhim, and maybe they would come
back to then go off on theirown. But you'd have to see them

(01:11:15):
come back, you have to.They'd have to be some resolution. Daryl
has to see Rick again. Yeah, But once once they announced the show
is ending, I'm like, it'snever gonna be movies never, So let's
just give them what they want throughsix episodes, self contained and it'll end
with a happy ending and they'll bedone with it, or or they want,
they can kill him if they want. They could, you know,
but he's talking about now how hemisses the character either way that that arc,

(01:11:36):
I mean he was the show needsto be completed. There's just this
hole there that rewatching it. I'mjust like, I don't know, it's
not going to continue. You're notgonna I don't know if you're gonna find
things out on these spinoff shows theDead City or I don't know if you're
gonna find out any answers. Soit's just rewatching that. It's just like,

(01:11:57):
what was their plan? And theywould have to have something because I've
just as there ever been a showlike that, or they kill him off
obviously, but I ever explain itwhat they have to didn't have a plan.
They didn't. Andrew Lincoln wanted offthe show. He wanted to spend
more time with his family in London. Now I was selfish. Why you
couldn't film the show in London?Just find a forest and let them film

(01:12:20):
there. I guess why he couldn'thave been kidnapped to London and then continue
the show, let him through theWalking Dead London. There seemed to have
been ways they could have handled it. But that being said, he gave
them. He gave them an extraseason. He had originally had wanted off
after the Saviors and then he waslike going to make season eight his last

(01:12:40):
season, and they were like,no, let's you know, finish you
to give you one more. Andthen they gave They got him through half
of nine, right, Yeah.I don't think they thought they were like,
oh, we'll just write him out. We'll figure it out later.
We don't know what's going to happen. There may have been a point where
he said I never want to dothis again, and where they didn't need
to write him out. Well,you just assume he'd be fixed up and
healthy and then be fine. Well, they would talk about him in the

(01:13:01):
past. I think when he saidI'm willing to do some work again,
they were like, okay, wegot to figure out a plot. Now,
let's see who the CRM is,because they knew he was leaving for
a year. So that's why theCRM thing, the helicopter Jadas eating the
can of food. But I don'tknow if the I don't know if the
scavengers or whatever they were called,if the garbage pail kids, I don't

(01:13:23):
know if when they arrived in seasoneight, Right if Andrew Lincoln had already
said he was leaving, and ifif they had already thought about using Jadis
to get him alf the show.Okay, I don't know if that you
know which came first, the chickenor the egg that they didn't start like
going, oh, how can weuse the Junkyard people as a way to

(01:13:44):
write Rick off? Oh? Okay, they're trading people for food? Right?
Who's an A? Who's a B? Right? When she said,
I thought you when she said toFather Gabriel, I thought you were an
A, but you're a B.I thought that meant A you're an alpha
leader, Like I thought they wererecruiting alpha's, like really hardcore badass people.
But didn't it mean infected? Well, when they she and they're bringing

(01:14:10):
Rick back, She's like, whyI have a bee? You know I
have it right, like I havea be right and amen. Eventually they
changed it to an ament you wereinfected? Like she wanted Nigan to get
bitten. Right, They almost hadalmost had the thing on the match of
the springboard the spring box box springrather eat him, they were going to
have him bitten because they wanted totest freshly bitten people. Okay, and

(01:14:31):
she says, I thought you werean a, but you're you know,
you're you're. I thought you werea bee, but you're an a.
But I thought that was a compliment. Did she mean I thought I loved
you, but now I'm gonna haveyou bitten? So I didn't make any
sense. It sound like they changedwhat they wanted. It was like when
they when they kidnapped Heath. Heright, that's the name. I was
thinking of it before, how hishair was always perfect, perfect hair,

(01:14:51):
and he was kidnapped. They thenredconned it and made it that he was
kidnapped by Jadis's people, because therewas no Jadis when he was kidnapped.
They wrote him off the show becausehe wanted to go do twenty four.
Okay, but that was season six, right at the beginning of season yeah,
right, season six, he disappeared. Nobody cared he That was the

(01:15:12):
bottom episode with Heath and Tara,which is one of the lowest rated,
lowest reviewed episodes in the show's history, according to MDB. So Heath laughed
and we're like, who cares aboutHeath? But all I care he's gone.
He was only on the show likethree times. Who cares? Right,
Why don't I need a Tara Heathepisode? Right? The guy off,
I didn't need a big to dothat. He got kidnapped. Then
they went back and said he waskidnapped by the Junkyard people who were two

(01:15:34):
years away from even existing, sothat was red. And then they had
the card that said PPP on it, and they never explained what PPP meant.
But PPP in music means soft orwhispering, so people thought that was
a clue to the whispers. Butwhy would the Whispers need a magnetic key
card to unlocked doors? Now they'resaying it that's a CRM card because they

(01:15:59):
were CRM people kidnapping Heath for Jadisand that Heath may show up eventually in
the Rick movies. Who cares?I'm in pressed, you're able to keep
track? I just up again.At the beginning of his podcast, I
had a trouble remembering names. ButI'm back in. I'm back in,
baby. Oh, I love itwell again. I we got to do
this again because we can keep talkingforever. But I guess before I forget

(01:16:23):
uh because it's the last like season. Just to mention the Commonwealth and those
those freaking outfits, those like arn'tStormtrooper troopers with with the butt flap,
Like I don't understand how you canmake that and on set and be like
this looks cool with the butt flap, Like it would just take me out

(01:16:44):
of it. Like Mercer was oneof the few later episode season characters that
I actually liked, but it's like, as soon as he turns around,
I'm like, he's got his budprotected from being bit and it would just
kind of take me out of themoment. Or maybe I'm just weirdo looking
at his plastic. But my problemwith those costumes, uniforms, yeah whatever,
they were right is that there weregaps in the in the joints,

(01:17:08):
right, well so, but howmany of them got bitten in the gaps?
A couple of them got bitten bywalkers in the gaps? Why are
their gaps? Why don't you havechainmail? Why don't you are you fully
protected? I shouldn't be biteable.That's why the butt was so obvious,
because he was just perfectly shaped aroundthe two cheeks, and I'm just like,
what is this? And that waslike the one thing like I remember,

(01:17:30):
you know, going back and watchingthe Commonwealth storyline was those outfits and
paying now paying more attention to thecharacters and again not really caring too much
about them the Commonwealth season and becausekind of petering out, and yeah,
watching the last episode they did alot of flashbacks and trying to bring things

(01:17:51):
around, and again it all justleaves you like, yeah, they're having
these spinoffs, but not entering theRick thing. It just leaves you wanting
more. Yeah, well that's nextthat's next year, so we'll see the
Rick thing. We'll see speaking ofrelating to the original show before we get
out of here. On Walking Dead, Dead City, allegedly because enough filming

(01:18:16):
in whether he used to film,Maggie is still at Hilltop right she says,
Oh, it's the same people,new location. When she says I'm
gonna have Jenny stay with the peopleof Hilltop, well the people of Hilltop
aren't the same people from the show, but it's supposed to be right after,
So are you telling me you couldn'tshow me Diane the Archer, Like
you couldn't pay her a few bucksto be there, so you go,

(01:18:40):
oh wow, look it's Diane fromthe It's Hilltop. That's what I couldn't
have had anyone from Hilltop actually bethere, even if you never show them
again. Show me Hilltop, showme one or two people from the old
show, and you can go,okay, it's it's actually a continuation.
This is great. I always findthat I'll make this because I am watching.

(01:19:00):
Oh I said, how my wifedoesn't like horror, but actually convinced
her to watch. So you know, I convinced though, to watch all
Yellow Jackets. I don't know ifyou've seen. I'm I'm liking it so
far, you know, Okay,um, do you know what it's about.
I know there's some terminus elements inthere. Yeah, you know,
well a soccer team they get strandedon an island, they can go to

(01:19:23):
cannibalism whatever. But so we're inlike the starting the second season now,
and when shows do this and you'realluding to it now with the walking down,
I see it unlost that just charactersjust pop out of nowhere that we're
supposed to be there the entire time. You're just like making it up like
oh yeah, this person was fromHilltop, he was They were there the
entire time. But then show me, like, as a as a viewer,

(01:19:46):
you want some continuation. That's whywhen you when you pick these actors
and actresses, it's a big dealwho plays who. It's not, it's
just it's just a it's a bigdeal. That's why you couldn't recast Rick.
It's not a soap opera. Well, I know what you're saying about,
Like, Oh, that person livedat Hilltop for for four years and
then they suddenly show up and you'relike, oh, there's a new character.

(01:20:06):
But then Maggie talks to them likethey've been at Hilltop forever. There's
a famous scene from Star Trek theWrath of Khan, which was nineteen eighty
two. Maybe it's a long timeago, everybody, but the Khan is
an evil guy. He was onan episode of Star Trek, right the

(01:20:27):
original TV show, and then yearslater, many years later, they made
a movie about his character. Right, so what on the TV show?
No spoiler, it's fifty years ago. They this evil guy, Khan tries
to take over the Enterprise and he'she's gotta, he's gotta, he's got
people, and he's trying to finda new home for them, a new
planet, and they realize he's soevil, but they're gonna help him,

(01:20:51):
and they beam him down to aplanet with his people because they feel like
it's an inhabitable planet. And youknow what, you can go get your
own planet. You can't have theenter but we're not going to kill you.
We're gonna give your own planet.Fine. Well, the movie takes
place, I don't know twenty yearslater, fifteen years later, and for
whatever reason either they go down tothat planet. I'm trying to remember the

(01:21:13):
movie, but somehow they run intocon years later, and apparently the planet
was desolate that they sent them downto a planet they said was a nice
planet, but it was shit.And now he's mad at them and he
wants revenge on the Enterprise for sendinghim to this awful planet. And he's
got them in a lineup, fourof them, and he's looking at them,
the four men he captures on theplanet who had beamed down to the

(01:21:33):
planet, and he says, andone of them was Checkoff, who's one
of the Russian guy on the show. He's on the show, but he
wasn't on the original show. Hejust order joined the show like after three
seasons or two seasons. And hesays, I don't know you. I
don't know you, and he pointsto check Off and he goes, but
you, I never forget a face, implying that he remembers him from the

(01:21:54):
TV show, and then Chekhoff says, I'll never forget you what you did
to that you imprisoned us, andwell, check Off. The actor was
never on the team, wasn't onthe episode that he's referencing, and the
actors didn't either realize it or youthink they would write that. He would
go, I wasn't on that episode. But then when they when people questioned

(01:22:14):
it after the movie came out,the writers were like, oh, he
was on the show. He wason the Enterprise, but he was down
in engineering. So even though wedidn't see him, he was on the
ship and con is such a photographicmemory. He remembered the entire crew of
the Enterprise. I know, it'sjust a lazy thing. I've just wouldn't
you, I know, wouldn't youjust rewrite it and go, hey,
I remember seeing you down by engineering. But he's like, I'll never forget

(01:22:36):
you, and you're like, hewasn't even on the show. I know,
how do you not? Why doesn'tthe actor say it, like,
yeah, I don't get it.I don't know, And that's why we
create podcasts to talk about it,Yes, to complain, because you couldn't
do that in the days of startracks. And now we got Twitter,
we got podcasting, we got allthese different places. But we have threads.
Don't forget we have threads now.I have yet to join that.

(01:22:59):
I don't know. If I don'tknow, I'm always the last person.
I was the last person to joinFacebook, because that's what when just do
you have an Instagram account? Ohyeah, this is where I'm yes as
appetite for four horror and the numberfour is on Facebook, Twitter, and
Instagram. I know it's an Instagramthing, but it's just one more social

(01:23:19):
media thing to do. It's like, well, they make it very easy,
but I'll tell you it's like Twitterwith no with nothing. It's Twitter
with no bonuses, with no It'slike buying a car without air conditioning.
Okay, it may be a nicecar, and it may be nice people
in the car with you, um, and it may be from the car

(01:23:41):
company you're familiar with and you like. But imagine the car having no wheels
and no and no power windows andno air conditioning and I'm gonna wait.
Like I said, honestly, withevery single social media craze, I always
the last person to do it.So yeah, I'm on the main ones
now, but I'm gonna there's notan appetite for horror reds. Just yeah,
we'll see where this goes, andwe're gonna see where this podcast goes

(01:24:03):
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the Brooklyn Boys on all social mediaas well, or most of it.
David, this was so much funjust to catch up with you as a
person and just to talk about theWalking Dead. I feel like a weight

(01:24:23):
has been lifted because I've been itchingto talk about it because yeah, I
crammed eleven seasons in like a month, month and a half, so I'm
excited. So that does it forthis episode of appetite for a horror When
is the next one? Well,I don't know. Follow along on social
media. I'm always watching horror movieswith my son, horror son, So

(01:24:44):
just follow along and maybe as weget it will be fun as we get
older. As he gets older,I'll watch some of my favorites with him
and see what it's like through thelens of a young child, and hide
the sharp objects from him. Ohyeah, I don't actually want him him.
You know, we'll do fake blood. No, none of the stuff,
none of the real stuff. Thenwhen it comes to that I am
I am an overbearing Jewish mother.Yeah, no, he's gonna be protected.

(01:25:06):
But when it comes to movies,well again, he's not gonna always
start with human sentipede like me.It'll be like Tales least five monster squad
that. Maybe we'll start there fairanyway, So that does it for this
episode. When will we see thenext one? I'm not sure yet,
so just follow on social media andyou can watch this, of course on
the Appetite for Distortion YouTube page.So until next time, UM, I

(01:25:31):
think I gotta think of a goodgoodbye saying I have a good one for
the podcast. Even how about likedon't die. That's a good one.
He's a brand up saying don't die. In totttempt to Ta

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