Andor Season 2 Premiere Breakdown: Trust, Tragedy & TIE Fighters (Episodes 1–3 Recap & Review)

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You've done this, Paul, you must have fluked about it.
Look at me. You made this decision long ago. The
Empire cannot win, and you'll never feel right unless you're.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Doing When you've come to stop them, you're coming on
to yourself. You've become more than your fear, than that
protect you.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Thank you well.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Hello, they are Star Wars fans and welcome to Road
to Rebellion, the and Or After Show.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm one of your hosts, Pete Flitzer, and I am
Nick Milky. Thank you for hanging out with us here
on around the Galaxy part of the SSW network.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
We are fired up because and Or season two is
finally here and it's already delivering everything we love season one,
and I think.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
A little bit more. What do you think, Nick? There
is lots more, and before we dive into all of
those great things, we do want to give a quick warning.
This is a full spoiler show. Nothing is held back.
We're going to talk about everything that has dropped this week,
and we might even speculate on what it means based
on our Star Wars knowledge the Lord that exists. So
if you're not caught up yet, here's what you want

(01:23):
to do. Hip pause, come back when you're ready. We
won't take it personal, and we'll be here when you
get back. We'll be here.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
We'll be here because each week on Road to Rebellion,
we're unpacking the story, the characters, the big moments, the
little details, and everything in between. We're going to share
our first impressions. We're going to dive deep into the
themes that come up along the way, and maybe even
point out a few things that didn't quite land for us.
But as always, it's going to come from a place

(01:50):
of love of Star Wars. Absolutely, So let's not wait
any longer. Nick, it's time to kick this off. Let's
jump in with some of our first impressions. Well, Nick,
to me, my very first impression overall is that it
really felt like Star Wars is back. And that's not
to say that Skeleton Crew or you know, uh Ahsoka

(02:12):
or any of those other shows aren't Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
But man, this really felt cinematic and epic. And that's
exactly the word I was going to use if we
were playing the what's one word you would use to describe,
you know, these first three episodes, and I know it's
going to continue throughout this whole series is cinematic. It
felt like and honestly, it was a movie. It was
three forty to fifty minute episodes. That adds up to
the amount of a movie. But it felt like a movie,

(02:36):
and it felt like a Star Wars movie. It didn't
feel like the Volume, which you know, the Volume has
brought us a lot of really great things, yep. But
it just felt real and gritty and like you said,
like Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, And I think that's one of the things that
you know, you just mentioned it, and it's really true.
I liked watching it kind of as a two hour
and ten minute movie. And that's one thing that's really
unique about it, at least these first three episodes. It
was it was this the same director for all three
and it was the same writer as Tony Gilroy for
all three, and so you had that continuity. It really
did feel like one movie.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
It did, and it gave us, you know, you could
lock in, you could watch all three episodes if you
binged it like we did. You know, I don't have
time to wait. I've got to just you know, I
see the first one, I want to see the rest
of them, right, But it had the continuity. You had
the little break in between that was good for refilling
your drink, going to the bathroom, whatever. But if if
we had our wish, which you and I talk about

(03:31):
all the time, if they had streamed this in a
movie theater or shown it in a movie theater, I
would have sat there and put off going to the
bathroom so I could absorb, consume it and absorb it
as that one big movie because it had that feel
and it just you know, Star Wars. It felt epic,
and that's the other word that you used. It felt epic.
It felt fitting to the scale of Star Wars that

(03:53):
has such a long history.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
And I think also, you know, I wonder if and
now I'm going to have to try it is like
if you go straight the end of one scene, somebody's
gonna put it up online this way into the next
if it really feels like that flow, because and I
think that's probably one of the reasons why they're releasing
it this way, because where they end, you know, it
feels like a natural end, but it's more like the
natural end of a first act.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Of a movie or a second act of a movie.
So yeah, a good classic three act stance, and it
fits with what we know, each of the three episodes
going through this twelve episode season is an arc is
a year of time, so it makes sense that they
would plug them in and try to you know, have
a fit that way. Yep.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
And now, is it me or does it feel like
there was more action than most of season one of Ander?
I felt like this was more even though you know,
you had the wedding scenes and stuff which we'll talk
about in detail, which were you know, that was very
cool and intriguey, but if intrigue is a word, but
it felt like there was action.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
There was like there was real action and more. There
really was. And it started off with you know what
we're going to talk about with the tie fighter, and
you know, Cassian's kind of big escape and it grows
and it goes throughout. But you're right, even in those
wedding moments, like the wedding moments have a lot of
motion to them, and there's dancing scenes that we're going
to talk about, and I have some thoughts about those.

(05:13):
But even that, like in or season one, which we
adore and is so full of intrigue and is the
Star Wars West Wing that I've always asked for. It
is a lot of build up. It is a lot
of dialogue and interplay to get us to where we are,
and we get action towards the end and a couple
of little small bits at but this, you know, and
we kind of predicted this. This is action from the

(05:34):
gate from the very beginning.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, I feel like since it has broken up the
way it is, everything's going to be based on a mission,
a high impact mission. And the other thing that I
felt is this felt like what was promised in the
first season, which was kind of a spy story, kind
of more intrigue. And again, so much of that happened
on Chandrilla, just the little holy conversations and the looks

(05:59):
and and you know, we'll talk about a little bit later,
but there were some things that I caught with Luthen
that really show me who he is and how he
how he gets his information.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
So it was very interesting. It is and it's you know,
season one again, not to rehash it too much. Season
one set the table. Now it's time for us to
not eat. It's time for us to feast. The table
has been set and it's all in front of us,
and it is I'll go no quit because there's four
years in four three episode arcs that we're about to

(06:29):
jump into because we know where it ends. We know
it ends at Rogue one, and we know how action
packed that is also from the gate, So this is
that roller coaster. We're working our way up. We're well
on our way to the top of that right at
the top of that, you know, the crest of that hill,
and it's time to hit the gas and go.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Well, let's let's take a few minutes and let's walk
through what happened. Now, this was three episodes of we said,
this is like recapping a movie. This is recapping some
of the details of a movie. We're not going to
go into all the specifics, but we may end up
just talking about him as a result. But let's just
start by saying that these three episodes were all directed
by Aeriel Kleman, and we're written by Tony Gilman and Gilman.

(07:18):
Who the hell is Tony Gilman. He's his cousin. He's
also his lawyercer Gilman. No, that's Tony Gilroy. And it
takes place exactly one year after the events of season one,
placing us firmly in bb Y four. In fact, much
like and Or, they put that up on the screen.
Season one, they put that right up on the screen.

(07:40):
So this is four years before the Battle of Yavin.
That means that the rebellion is still finding its footing
and the Empire is tightening its grip across the galaxy.
So let's walk through that story in chronological order, and
let's highlight some of the key moments and characters along
the way.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So we begin at the Sion our test facility seventy three,
and that's a name that we're starting going to know
and come back to talking about Sinar. It's an imposing
imperial shipyard. It's here that we meet Imperial Inspector Naya,
who is busy running checks on what appears to be
a brand new, highly advanced tie fighter. She meets with
Cassian and Or our hero, who is with his trademark charm,

(08:17):
flirting with her just enough to put her at ease.
Once she leaves, he sneaks aboard this new tie fighter.
Right away, we see him struggle with the unfamiliar controls,
and in a moment that adds a dash of humor,
because even an indoor there is some humor, he pushes
forward on the yoke, only to have the ship jerk backward.
Everything about this tie is foreign to him, but he

(08:39):
adapts quickly. Soon he's blasting out of the hangar with
a tie advanced one bee on his tail. And what
follows is a heart heart pounding chase through a stony
chasm that culminates and Cassian burying his pursuers in an
avalanche and making a narrow escape. Pete, the action starts
from the very beginning. Yes, you know what grabbed you. Obviously,

(09:02):
the backing end of the wall, you know, with the
tie fighter was funny. But you know, this again goes
right to feeling like Star Wars. What were your initial impressions.
There are a couple of things that I recall that
that like that have stuck with me. One of them
was how stark white that was. That hangar was just
and you know, brought me back to Narkina five right
where the you know, the imperial sort of starkness, the

(09:26):
the keep keep color and interest out of it and
and I and I felt like that was great. The
other thing that I was excited that we're starting with
this taie theft that we knew was coming, So I
thought that was great. The other thing that stuck with
me was the use of the word ship, which was.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Such a ah it was. It was a little bit
of a controversy online when uh, when it happened in pherics,
and it was great to hear Cassie and say it.
So you know what that word is now, it's right
there with carabass well Star Wars cannon. It's Star Wars
cannon now, so yeah, I agree, and you're right. The

(10:07):
cleanliness of that hangar the something that stood out to me.
And it's funny how different droids and different movies and
shows and different things give off a different vibe like, yeah,
that black you know kind of assistant droid that's rolling around.
At one point she puts like the data pad in
the little holder on the.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Side of it. Honestly, that drop that droid, to me
gave the vibe of don't play around, like that droid's
gonna snitch you out. That droid's like the little black
BB ninety from Last Jedi, like ratting people out, highly,
highly alert, highly on the watch. So the fact that
Cassian was able to get past that droid alone was significant. Now,

(10:48):
let me ask you this. In the conversations with Naya
the tech, who is you know, running checks on the
ship and everything. We're given the impression, or at least
how I interpret it, is she's in on this, right, yeah,
she you know there's this is how much time I need?
You know, this is another person on the inside. Yep.
And but I do appreciate and you kind of highlighted

(11:08):
this as we were talking about this for the recap.
You know, she has this nervous moment of like, oh
I forgot I was told I'm not supposed to look
at you. I'm like, this is a very you protect.
It's like at the beginning of Dark Night in the
bank robbery, like you take out the next guy so
they can't rat out, you know, if they get captured
or that. I don't know. I didn't see them very

(11:29):
finely tuned this heist, which we already know the Rebellion
has laid early careful groundworks through Luthan, through this network
of you know what they're trying to get done. And
I was really impressed that those little details were in there.
But I love the humanity out of Cassi in he says, look,
you've committed to this. You can ask me anything you
want to, Like, we're in this together.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
I think that's the one thing that I that I
took out of this, and it almost is like a
shift in Cassie in a little bit, and that I
don't see more care. But he's certainly because in the
first season, you know, he started out for himself and
by the time it came to the end, you know,
he was part of the rebellion. But just using Look,

(12:12):
we know the ladies love Diego Luna, right, he's look, it's.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
A straight guy.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
He's he's just he's an attractive male, right, and he's
got that, he's got a vibe about him, and he
used it. And that's one of the things too. As
as sweet as it seemed, you got to remember he's
doing it so he doesn't get caught. He's trying to
make her comfortable so she doesn't freak out, so she
doesn't feel like, oh, he's using me. And you know,

(12:39):
long and short of it is, it worked, and it
worked perfectly. So and the problem is we don't know
what happened to her, and hopefully we'll see her again
in a future episode, but I don't have a good
feeling for her about this one. So well, next we
go to a new planet called Mina Raw which we've
never seen before. It's in the Outer Rim, and we
shift to Bickx, who is in the midst of a

(13:02):
haunting dream about Lieutenant Gorst, who was the torturer who
tormented her in season one. She jolts awake to find
Brasso and Talia, who's a new character and woman Pack
who we met Ingue and Or season one, along with
the ever loyal be Too Emo. It was a quick scene,

(13:22):
it was, but it was enough to let you know
that whatever that torture scene that we all were totally
disturbed by, it stuck with her as well, So it
worked from that perspective. But meanwhile on Chandrilla, Man Mathma
is preparing for her daughter's wedding, and this is a
high society affair with dignitaries from across the galaxy arriving

(13:43):
in style. Mon however, has more on her mind than
just wedding details. Take Holma, her friend will put that
in their quotes. Greets her saying he'd like to catch
up with her, but she's very distracted quickly by the
appearance of Lutheran Rail who's there at the behest of
her father, of the father of her daughter's soon to
be husband, Davos Scolden, Claia, Luthen's associate, is also at

(14:07):
this reception and meets Luthen discreetly to share this intel
that Gusian the team.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
At Sinaar confound he got away clean.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
It was a pulse code, not a conversation.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
We should have heard from him by now.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I can't transmit from here, Luthen, I told you when
we landed. That's off the table. It's already a crowd
at the docking platform. We're naked here now without a signal.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
People's name Cassie and has successfully fled Cinar, but his
current whereabouts still are unclear. So the rebellion's wheels are
turning behind the scenes, even at an event like this, Nick,
do you immediately start to question Luthen if he's there
with Scolden or do you trust Luthen from what we

(14:57):
know before? How did this impact your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
That That's a very it's a very clever way for
you to word that question, because we do know Lutheran
from season one. We know you know driven goals. That speech,
that monologue speech that he gives towards the end of
season one just still is some of the best Star
Wars writing that I've ever you know, heard performed. But
I already come into this a little bit suspect, and

(15:25):
I think, you know, ultimately we're driving in the same direction,
but I wonder if the difference is in how we're
going to get There are going to be some central
themes throughout this second season, you know, mon Mathma, which
we saw a lot of this in season one. This
is a person, you know, and I think informs who
we see mind Mathma to be certainly farther farther down

(15:48):
the line. The amount of things that she has to
juggle in order to get ultimately the rebellion going and
you know successful like a husband, a wedding, friends in laws,
luthen you just there's a lot and and she this
is so well acted by Genevieve O'Reilly, even just like

(16:09):
the looks, the glances, the you know, this all this
chaos of this big celebratory event. But at the same time,
like her wheels are constantly turning, and I can't imagine,
you know where they're going to take us with this. Well,
back on Mina Ralph, we jump right back and forth,
and we're gonna get a lot of that. Throughout these episodes,
Wilman and Bicks are working when Bela, Willman's girlfriend, strolls

(16:31):
through the field to greet them. When she arrives, an
imperial ship appears in the atmosphere, casting a shadow over
that peaceful setting, and at the same time, Cassian has
landed on a forested planet yet to be named, and
so looking for someone named Porko. The plan apparently is
to trade the tie fighter that he has stolen for
his freighter, but when he lands, he finds Porko's freighter

(16:52):
crash landed, leaving only a husk behind. As he explores,
he is ambushed by a group of locals led by
Gertis and Bartie, two leaders who can't stop bickering over
who's really in charge. I love how they set this
up because these are two starkly contrasting environments. You've got
this farm ish planet with you know, flowing waving heads

(17:16):
of wheat and silo looking buildings. Everything's kind of calm,
everything seems to be relatively laid back until that you know,
dominating ship shows up on the horizon, and then you
have Cassian landing in a dark forest in you know,
wet mucky, you know, underground areas and he's getting ambushed.
What for you you know stood out in this segment

(17:37):
of the show, or this segment of this episode. Well,
two things.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
It took me to the second watch to realize that
the guy he was looking for was named Porko, which
I think is hilarious. And I also, you know, because
there's all these connections and as we'll talk a little
bit about later where this might actually be taking place,
I wonder if it is Porkins he was supposed to be,
because they didn't say he died, right, so maybe he
was supposed to try workins. You know, if your name
is and Porkins is a natural nickname, right.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I am thoroughly hoping that it is indeed Jack Porkins
in the earlier days of his involvement in the rebellion.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
That would be great. But I loved Gertis and Bartie.
I think I'm saying their names right because I don't
know if they really say them much on screen, because
they are two different types of leaders. But you know,
very similar to the first season of and or the
first couple episodes where it was children leading a group
of sort of.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Locals or Warriors. This is the same thing.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
These guys seem very young and just I mean with
the way the ambush starts with him saying, there's fifteen
guns point at your head.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
The other guys like, did you have to tell him
how many they are?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I don't tell him that, right, So what it does
is it sets up, first of all, a little bit
of humor, a little bit of lightness. But the reality
is these guys. I take these guys as really almost
credibly immature, even though they're not children. When we do
finally see them, they're all, you know, they're all adults,
and some are somewhere older adults. But it's just interesting

(19:08):
to watch it, and it did add a little bit
of levity, and you know, you get a nice little chuckle,
which is that Star Wars thing that you know, tense
moment and a chuckle that comes with it.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
So yeah, it doesn't have to smack you in the face,
which I think is very typically Star Wars. Like you're like,
that's funny, Like these guys are arguing, don't tell them
how many guns there are.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
So we then cut to a place called the Malthene Divide,
which is a place we've never seen or even heard of,
which is good because Krenick is holding a top secret
meeting there with among others, Dedra Miro and major party
guys from the ISB from season one of and Or.
Krenick is there showing a retro style tourism video about Gorman,

(20:03):
complete with sixties looking you know, characters walking through the
streets and the music. And they tell us that Gorman
is famous for its Gorman twill, produced by gorlectopods, which
are these spiders that spin this very fine fiber. However,
the real prize on Gorman, unknown to probably even the

(20:24):
Gormans themselves, is calkite, which is essential for coding reactor lenses,
which we as the audience, recognize as the part of
the Death Star project, which they did not mention at
all in that room or that meeting. The Empire's plan
is to mind Gorman, and in order to do that
it might cost the lives of the eight hundred thousand

(20:44):
people who live there. But Krenik and his cohorts, of
course deem that, hey, that's necessary, it's necessary. And this
group of people in this room, which is about a
dozen folks, are there to plan for the potential outcome
that the Empire is also building an armory Gorman's capital
to sort of get their way in there, and Deetra
suggests to Crinick that.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
You have a plan already. You had it before they
finished speaking. I want to assessment.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Propaganda will only get you so far. You need a
radical insurgency. You can count on, count on for what.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
You need.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Gorman rebels, you can depend on to do the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Director.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
This reveals just the way Dejah thinks, and more importantly,
how the Empire thinks.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Nick. We knew Krenick was coming back. Did you expect
to see him this quickly in the show? I did
not expect him to see this quickly in the show,
and he delivered on every other than not being on
the screen long enough. He delivered. And I love the
way they set this meeting up. You know, we got
him speaking and then you kind of pan down the table.

(21:58):
You see Dedra, you see major part of gas which
I am ashamed to admit It took me until watching
these episodes to remember, Oh that's where I know him from.
He was Ki burning Game of Thrones, who was Circes
like shady you know, evil scientist guy that you know

(22:20):
was her little right handed and a bunch of stuff
and it clicked, and I felt like an idiot, but
I was glad to see him back because I do
think he and Dedra bring a lot to you know,
this dynamic. And so it was great because they set
this up basically with like they bring in the PR
team to go, hey, we're going to run this propaganda
stuff and this is how we're gonna, you know, start
doing what we're doing. And what I love so much

(22:41):
about this, and you hinted at is Dedra reveals who
she is because in a moment talking to Crinic, she's like,
propaganda's not going to get the job done. Like, you
need to be more ruthless than this. You need some
insurgents who are going to do the wrong thing, Like
we need this to kind of, you know, give us
a reason to squash some one, give us a reason
to go, yeah, we're come in and taking over, do

(23:03):
this kind of you know, seventies coup style. And it
just it was a great like you said, it was
a great way to reveal, you know, what's really going
on behind it. At the same time, some of the
people at least meeting are like eating from the orders
over at the side table while they're having these discussions
right ver corporate and in a very imperial corporate kind

(23:24):
of way.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, and I think you're right, and I think like
as a as an experienced PR professional myself, I loved
those two guys. And I also loved when Kranik, who's
my favorite Star Wars characters, you know, and the Disney era.
It's just like, all right, guys, we get it, we
get we get it.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
But your point.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I love the points you make too, because it also
happened on the Aldani where you just you saw how
callous the empire is. They're sitting there eating these these
fine or dervs. They're overweight, they and they're just like, yeah,
well we thought about doing a plague, but you know
that's going to get out of hand.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
We can't do that.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
So just so callously talking about the deaths of yeah,
we might have to kill eight hundred thousand people so
that this project that we haven't named most of people
in that room probably don't even know about, can get done.
And they're just like, Okay, that's what the Empire wants.
We're going to do it.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
That's right, and if we will. Before we move to
the next section. If we want to check off another
one on our list of Star Wars crossovers that maybe
we didn't know we needed. I think this fits our
Star Wars mad Men crossover. They're pitching, they're showing the video,
and eventually Don Draper just goes, you know what, that's enough, guys.
We've got from there exactly exactly. So that was an

(24:36):
excellent scene. As we continue to move forward back on
the forest planet that is yet to be named, Cassian
recognizes the gang as the Maya Maya Pie Brigade or
pay I don't know how we're pronouncing that Yea, which
were rebel supplied fighters. However, Gertis and Bardi remain locked
in a power struggle and tensions escalate when, of course,

(24:56):
as usual, one gang member shoots another Cassie and flees
in the ca chaos, even though he is captured and
brought to Porko's wrecked ship while the others had for
the Tie Fighter on Mina Raw. B two is worried
about Cassian, which is very on brand for B two,
and at the same time Brasso learns that the Embuyer
is conducting an audit that could endanger all of them.

(25:17):
We jump back and forth between these three, you know,
these two locations to a third, and the wedding party
is going on, and Mon Mathma learns from Tay that
he and his wife have separated and that he is
having financial struggles of his own. In the meantime, Paren
mon Mathma's husband accuses her of having an affair with Tay.
Claia informs Luthen that there is no contact from Cassian

(25:39):
and that communications appear to be have appear to have
been disrupted on Mina Raw Pete. There's a lot in
this segment. We go from three very stark different environments,
and I think the thing that is most telling, you know,
we get more of the humor from, you know, just
the gang that couldn't shoot straight and in fact shoot

(25:59):
straight at each other. Then we have you know, brass O.
The Empire is doing these audits and they're worried because
of course they're not there legally, they're going to want
to know who's living in this little home and all that.
But at the wedding party, which I feel like is
kind of the meat of this section, is this interplay
between Paren and Tay and Man Mathma, you know, isn't

(26:22):
he your lover. Let's not go there. There's a lot
there unpack a little bit of what you saw in
those interactions.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well, I think it kind of confirmed what we what
we knew from season one is that whether she's having
an affair with Tay or not, and she probably doesn't
have time for it, to be honest, Paren doesn't care.
Paren is doing his thing, and I guarantee one of
those women that was at the party is probably one
of Paren's girlfriends on the side, and.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Theirs is a marriage of convenience and arranged convenience.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
At that, yes, and it's it's just you know, there
was also the scenes rapie for this where where Paren
and Skolden are talking about Leta and saying, you know,
she's going to be a handful and you know, good luck,
and is that boy ready for it? And you know,
just kind of they know what the parents were like
of these these kids and what they will or will

(27:18):
not inherit And yeah, I mean, to me, this is
just sort of confirmation that Paren and mon are just
together just because and she's clearly hated it from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
That's right. Well, and in the middle of this also,
they're on the wedding, hike Vel reveals that she and
Sinta have not been in contact. She tells man Mathma that,
you know, Luthen knows where she is but won't tell her.
Then we start to get what you're talking about with Luthen.
We see those glances he's watching mon Mathma and Tay speaking,

(27:51):
and what we get out of all of this is
Tay feels undervalued. He's done a bunch of stuff to
protect mon Mathma and in the rebellion, to cover up
some of her financial commitments things that she's done, but
in the process he's lost his wife. His financial security
has been jeopardized. So Tay Luthen fears that Tay might

(28:13):
turn to Davo Sklden and that could jeopardize all of
their positions. So this, you know, the machinations are still
at work. She's offered, you know, I'm going to meet
with you after this is over with, And in the meantime,
Claya leaves to go back to the antiquity shop so
that she can get back to some real legit communications
because she can't do it in the midst of everything

(28:35):
that's going on at this party.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yep, yep, yeah, it's again we were saying before, it
just feels like you have all the intrigue stuff gone,
and every look, every glance matters. I think one of
my favorite parts of the scene one of these wedding
scenes was Luthen in pure Luthen sort of disguise, talking
to one of the parents of I guess, one of

(29:00):
the cadets at the Empire, and he said, and the
kid says, oh, we just packed up everybody at some
planet and we're going somewhere else, and Luthern's just like, oh,
where are you going, you know, just like trying to
always intel right. So but meanwhile, back on Corussant, Dedra
and party guys are walking into the ISB building and

(29:20):
she says, I don't want the Gorman assignment, and he
insists that it may feel like a demotion, but it's
a gift that she should accept, and so she's kind
of sort of torn us to what to do here.
But then back on Mina, raw Bila and Wilman watch
as Imperial transports arrive in their sector. These sort of
tanks that we saw again in Rogue one, greeted by

(29:42):
the local lead farmer, a guy named Kellen. Lieutenant Kroll
of the Empire takes a liking Tobix and invites her
to dinner, but she declined, saying she's not sure her
husband would approve. Question Nick is did he marry did
she marry Cassian? Or is that just a ruse because
they you think so? Okay? I thought so too, but

(30:04):
I wasn't sure if maybe I could look more into it,
but who knows.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think that's a smart move on her part to say, look,
dirt bag not interested.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Then back on that forest planet, the locals propose a
challenge to each other because they're at this and they're
at a standoff. Nobody's winning, they're just sort of and
they both are hungry, and they're both wet, and they're
just they're tired of the fight. So they propose a challenge,
which we assume is going to be some sort of
a blaster fight, but no, it's essentially space version of

(30:39):
rock paper scissors to decide who's going to lead the group.
So Cassian is left alone with one guard, and he
of course knows Porco's ship, so he finds a hidden
blaster that he had there. And then while they're out
doing their rock paper scissors, one of the night monsters
that they've heard throughout the day comes in attacks, and
in the confusion, Cassian is able to bolt for the type.

(31:00):
He takes off over what looks like the ancient temples
of Yavin four. Nick, is this on Yavin for?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Do you think? I mean? It's the only planet they
didn't give us the name for it is the only
planet they That was the immediate thought I had, And
that's right there at the end of that episode, the ships,
you know, taking off.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And of course as soon as I saw the temple,
was like, oh, this makes sense, Like it's jungle, it's
you know, going back to legends, there's a lot of
stuff in the Jedi Academy trilogy books where Luke you know,
takes up trying to start the Jedi Academy in some
of those temples, and it talks about the dangerous wildlife
and part of the reason they landed there was because

(31:43):
that helped keep other people away. We see that in
Rebels when they put up the bases with some of
the creatures that like, it's a protection even though it's dangerous.
So it made a lot of sense. And I would
at this point be a little bit surprised if that
it's not in fact yet.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
And then a little bit later, at the beginning of
the next episode, Cassian contacts Claya, admitting that the mission
has been a problem. He says it's been upside down
for two days. She mentions that there's a frequency blockade
on Mina Row, and this freaks out Cassian because he
knows that that's where his friends Bix and Brasso are,
and so unsure of what's really happening, he just cuts

(32:34):
the call and heads off into deep space.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, if we don't have at the next Star Wars
celebration an entire room dedicated to people who have already
figured out the rules and playing space rock paper scissors,
I'll be utterly and completely surprised, because you know that's
going to become the next thing. We're playing Sabak, we're
playing space chess like we're doing all the other things.

(32:59):
This is the next Star Wars game, in a real game.
So yeah, definitely a very strong real world takeaway from
that scene. Yep, so we move again, we jump back,
We're changing locales, which I love about this show because
it also just adds to the motion of the show.
It doesn't feel like we're stuck anywhere for any period

(33:21):
of time. Then we end up on Coruscant, and in
a surprising reveal, Dedra prepares for a dinner party while
Cyril fusses over table settings. They are a couple and
living together in the galactic capital, And that was a
fun little reveal. And what I knew in the first
part of this scene before we get to the part
that I'm about to mention, I knew where it was headed.

(33:43):
As soon as they're like, we could pretend like you're
not here, we don't have to do it. Immediately went
his mom's coming like I did. Immediately it was like,
what would they not want to do? And I was like,
his mom's coming. So Cyril's overbearing mother arrives as the
dinner guest and seeing Cyril and prying into Deadrah's past.
After Cyril excuses himself to do something very Cyril, which

(34:05):
is go lay on the bed in the dark by himself,
Dedra lays the hammer down and I love what this
also again says about her. You're tapping him up.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I have a different plan in mind, but when I
say the word plan, that makes it sound optional, which
is not the impression you should be taking away This
game ends. Now you want Cyril in your life, you'll
think before you speak. I'll make sure he visits twice

(34:37):
a month. I'll make sure that he calls you. I
will guarantee a level of engagement, but it will be
inversely proportional to the volume of anxiety you generate in
our lives. I'm not done. You can spare me the
Uncle Harlow testimonials. I've had a look at his ISB

(34:58):
criminal files, and that is not a story you want
to be advertising.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
She imposed the strict rules on the relationship between Cyril's
mother and her son. We jump back to the wedding.
Sculdon's gift, a significant chindrill in statue takes center stage.
Tay watches and imparts tom on Mathma that he thinks
that he should speak up more and stand up for himself.
At least that's what he feels anytime he meets with Sculdon.
So we're feeding into this thing of like, is he

(35:25):
going to sell us out? Is he going to burn us?
Which is a fairly regular occurrence, which is a surprise
to man Mathma, or how regularly are you with him
surprised to learn this from mine? Luthen warns her that
she's vulnerable, vulnerable easy for me to say, and still
needs protection. She dismisses him. She's focusing on her public duties,

(35:45):
but you can see under the surface her situation is
continuing to be in jeopardy. She thought she was safe.
She thought the deal that she made with Tay he
was going to help kind of cleanse you know. In
the first season, part of it was about's gambling debts
and the things that she did to bail him out
that could come back on her. So she's not safe yet.

(36:09):
Then we jump back to Mina Rau. Kellen gives Brasso
papers to leave before the Empire arrives because they don't
have papers. They're trying to figure out how are we
going to get out of here. Vix and Brasso are
ready to depart, but in a seemingly appropriate interpermanent moment,
Wilman has gone off with Beila. They need to get him.
As an Imperial tie striker roars overhead. Lieutenant Kroll and

(36:31):
his men return just as Cassian drops out of hyperspace. Above.
Krall makes an unwanted advance on Vix and there's a fight.
The arrival of imperials prompts woman to rush back. Star
Destroyer looms overhead. Brasso is captured and Kellen's betrayal is exposed.
As Kroll continues his unwanted advances, Bix murders him and

(36:52):
another guard. Action Action Action. This is where we're picking
up the pace the empires here. They're asking too many questions.
We don't have enough answers or the time to get
out of here soon enough. I feel for poor bicks Man.
She's been through it, between the torture with Gorst and
being attacked by this dirt bag of an imperial, like

(37:14):
this girl needs a vacation at that place where Cassie
and got arrested in season one.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well this, I mean, honestly, it was a surprisingly vivid scene.
It wasn't a graphic scene sexually, but it was vivid
in just the way he would not stop pushing. And
you know, I'll tell you what, I would not be
surprised if there's a trigger warning on this when when
it runs again, because it's it's it's really it's.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Intense, and anybody who's been through anything like that could be,
you know, brought back to that moment some very difficult memories.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
But again you have Bix who just she's proving time
and again how strong she is and which what she's
made of, and she does what she needs to do.
She shoots him, and then another guard who shows up,
she shoots that one too. So it was really intense,
and I think it says a lot about how strong

(38:14):
Bix really is and how the Empire has scarred her.
Now this is twice, both through that torture scene and
the torture of being assaulted for all intents and purposes
by an Imperial officer. Well, Cassian arrives at the camp
and he's blasting imperials from his ship and he lands

(38:35):
next to a Rex speeder, only to find our first
casualty of the season, Brasso is dead. He was shot
while trying to escape. Bix and Will reach the tie fighter.
Bix embraces Cassian and as they're about to leave, she says,
we need Brasso, and all he does is to shake
his head and urges her to hurry up. In her

(38:57):
and Will and Cassie and take up off out of
the atmosphere. On Chandrilla, Tay leaves the festivities early with
a substitute driver. He was expecting to meet his driver Anno,
But who is it? None other than Santa, who exchanges
a knowing glance with Vell, who happened to be there

(39:18):
when he left, and it sends Vell into some sort
of emotional situation because we see her next just sitting
in a hallway in deep thought. Finally, we see a
drunken man, Mathma, who's just been grabbing shots throughout the
entire last fifteen minutes of this episode, and she's just

(39:38):
dancing wildly. She's you know, she's fully in like this
dizzying desperate dance, clearly trying to forget all the problems
that she's facing. And then it just cuts to black.
Now what I love about this, and I want to
get some of your thoughts on this is if this
was a two hour and ten minute movie, it could

(39:59):
end there, right. You had most of your storylines, you know,
the main there's no big questions left other than all
the intrigue and all the the the espionage questions, and
that's expected, but it just was.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Really it was.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
It ended on a down note, which is kind of
what this entire story is headed toward in a way,
you know, positive for the rebellion, but negative for our characters.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Here yeah, and I think that this is the end
of Tay. I think this was the knowing look, the
you know, Luthen's like, there's a liability here and Luthen
Luthen doesn't play luten doesn't play these And I think
myn Mathma got drunk because she knew that too, Like, yes,
she's dealing with a bunch of other things. But I

(40:52):
think that for whatever the rumors or the assumptions was
about her and Tay, there was an emotional connection there,
even if it's an older one. The realization that in
the midst of this rebellion, she is condemning another person
to a fate that's not going to be positive. There's
going to be more of that to come. It's a
part of what war is. But I think I think

(41:13):
this was the end for Tay. And I think Luthen's
cutting vulnerabilities and man, Mathma knows it, and she has
to deal because she also has to still beat the senator,
and she still has to be the mother of the bride,
and so she gets hammered and she dances it away
because there's no other choice at this moment. That's interesting.
I didn't pick up I didn't think that she knew

(41:35):
I was with you. I knew that you know.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
This is why they dropped that little subtle line that
from Belle that Luthan knows where Senta is but he
doesn't tell me. So she's an agent waiting to do
what she needs to do. But I'm going to take
the other side of that with you, Nick, and I'm
going to say that she doesn't know, and when mon
Mathma finds out, it's going to cause a rift between

(41:59):
her and Lufin. So it's one of the I mean,
either way, it's still an interesting story, but it's it's
cool that you got This is what's so great about
the show is you can you can read into it
different things, and that means that the espionage is working,
because they're not. They're not just printing out and putting
it on the screen for your here's what's going to
happen next. You know, you have to think about it
and you put your own way toward it.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
So, but anything else on the end.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Of the show, what were you surprised that Brasso went down?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I was not surprised. I was saddened because I do
like that character. I think he brings such a good
steadiness he's a good anchor point for Bix who he
knows what she's been through. But it's not a romantic
you know, it's a brother sister, you know. It's this
family that we see with all of these characters having,
you know, spent this time together, and so you hate

(42:51):
to lose any good character. And I thought he was
a great character. And I'm always a fan of a
good Star Wars character with a great beard, and that
Brasso definitely, you know, rocked a good beard. He brought
the beer to see it. But we know that war
comes with the cost, and we know that rebellion. There's
going to be more of this as we go through.
So it was kind of just a matter of who
was going to be the first one.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
And that's why I said that, like he's you know,
the first, because we know we're going to lose some
other characters we love. Because that's what that's honestly, as
sad and kind of morose as it is, that's what
reinforces your commitment to the fight, is when you're losing
those that you love, that kind of make sure that

(43:33):
you go there. So well, let's take a break and
when we come back, we will take a deep dive
into some of the themes and some of the characters,
and also take a look at some of the lore
connections that we saw in this episode. Well, welcome back, Nick.

(43:59):
You know, to me, the theme of these first three
episodes really was trust. Like Bixon Brasso, they trusted that
Castian was going to come back for them. Brasso, to
his own demise, ended up trusting Kellen mon Mathma has
been trusting Tay and what we have found that that
was a huge mistake. You know, even Luthen said we fail.

(44:20):
That's our curse, which I thought was kind of you know,
if I was to put one phrase to sort of
cover this entire, this entire first arc, is it would
be that the complete lack of trust was also at
play among the the Maya Pie Brigade or may I
pay or say it it led to their demise, right,

(44:42):
and who knows what happened after Cassian took off with
that monster run around. They may all be snack food
at this point. And again also that trust that Naya
put in Cassian. I'm guessing she was an imperial. I
don't think she was a rebel plant. I think somehow
they turned her and she just put implicit trust in
Cassian because of yeah, how he comes across and whatever.

(45:03):
But the funny thing to me is that the only
characters who trust no one and don't rely on trust
as an important thing is the two most carefree in
the show, and those are Paren and Cassian. Parent doesn't
give a shit about anybody. Parent is just you know,
give me another wine, sigourna Tayla and let's have some fun.
And Cassian does care about trust, but he also doesn't

(45:26):
trust that anybody can be trusted. So yeah, well Paren,
Paren doesn't trust. Paren doesn't care so much.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
That he makes it the highlight platform of the toast
he gives. He stands in the middle of the room,
He's like, yeah, stuff's going to be rough and things
are going to be bad, but you know what, just
deal with it. Find the joy, dance, drink, hang out,
have a good time. It's fine. And we've seen that throughout,
you know, the first season of this show, in these
first three episodes where he's married to this very important

(45:58):
woman and he's literally like the real house husband of
Chandrilla hanging out, you know, going to get his toes
done and making another drink while just going yeah, whatever
not my problem, you know, and that estate, my god,
the Mathma estate is unbelievable, but it is. He's so

(46:20):
carefree and he's so just lot he die, And it
would be great if maybe down the line we find
out like he's playing a game too, Like he is
playing a little bit of a game. He's not an idiot,
he's you know, talking about, hey, I heard you have
a lover and you know clearly their paths you know,
separated a long time ago. But it's also like, is

(46:42):
he truly just this fascisle and empty headed and doing
his thing, or is he going to pop up later
on down the road and throw another wrench into this
works too. I don't know him, but I'm intrigued to
find out.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, I mean, maybe he ends up having a heart
of the end. There's two ways he goes right. Either
we don't see him much again. So there's three ways.
Either we don't see him much again because he's just,
to your point, kind of just a paper thin sort
of character. Or one of two things happens. Either he
finds it hard at the end because he has to

(47:14):
save his daughter or something, or he turns as dark
as you get and just be like, you know what,
I've been bowled over by my wife my entire life,
and I've had it. I'm going to take her down
And I don't see that happening either. I think, if anything,
he's going to find a heart, but I don't. I'm
not putting much weight in that.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And Cassian, like you said, Cassian
is set up to not trust he you know, from
being a little child to going through every different phase
of life and thing he's been through and what we're
going to ultimately see at the beginning of Rogue one, like,
it's about the mission, it's about keeping it going. So
you know, the trust that Cassian has is for the
people who have been the closest to him, which has

(47:55):
been Vicks and Brasso. And that's why in that scene
when she says there's a blackout, he was like, well,
those are my only people. Yeah, that's where I'm going.
I'm going there for sure. Yeah. Yeah, Nikki'm gonna throw
you sort of a curveball here. And when we do
it this way, when we talk about characters, let's call

(48:17):
this let's say who is your MVP character of this episode?
And I'll start so I can kind of get where
I'm going with this.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
I'm gonna go with man Mathma, because you know, her
tragedy started last season and it just became harder and
harder to watch just as these three episodes came on.
She realizes, you know, the again, some of the stuff
that I kind of blew off when I watched it
a second time, I found myself being more pulled into it.

(48:45):
The conversation she was having with her daughter, she has
realized that she's now sacrificed so much. She sacrificed, she's
sacrificing her position, she's sacrificing Tay. She is uh, most importantly,
she sacrificed her daughter. And what's happening is she's starting
to realize that this may be for absolutely nothing, because

(49:08):
if he goes, if Tay is going to Scolden, then
her all the work she did is really for nothing.
And that, to me, is what I got out of
the end of the episode. Is that she's drinking heavily.
She's just giving herself over to the party because it
feels to me like this is the last time that
she will ever feel joy. But she can't even really

(49:29):
enjoy it at them. But she's like a you know,
we've been at that situation when you're you know, you're
at a college party and you're mad at your girlfriend
and you're like, I'm just gonna drink and you think
you're having fun, but you're just you're actually pulling you
deeper into the thing that's got you so upset. And
so to me, that's she's she's the MVP of these

(49:51):
these three episodes.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Well, and you also see what we don't get very
much of from on Mathma because everything has to be upfront.
She has that human moment where she tells her daughter, look,
we don't have to do this. Like you can tell
the guilt has overwhelmed her, and for that moment she says, look,
we'll go out there. They'll have they've had a great afternoon.
Everybody will be fine. You don't have to do this.

(50:14):
And when the daughter pushes back, then she's done and
she immediately snaps into Mathma mode and she goes, uh uh,
you walk behind me. And so you know that that
shield goes right back up, that temporary, you know, little
bit of humanity that shows through. She shoved it back
down and went, Okay, this is what we're doing. And
she goes with it. That's an excellent choice. And I

(50:35):
would have chosen that one, but since I can't, because
you already did. And for the sake of conversation, my
other MVP I think would be Dedra. Okay, because one
like you, I had no idea that she and Cyril
we're gonna end up being a couple. That's very funny
to me. And you know, even when he's kind of
trying to do his little you know, alpha boss mode

(50:57):
and he's introducing the new guy in the office walking
out of the thing, and he catches him looking away
and he snaps at him like, yeah, I was like
you and now look at me, and you know, but
Dedra's driving. But I'm very very much intrigued with the
seeds they're planting for what is going to happen with
her going forward. This conversation with Crinic, what she says

(51:18):
to part of Gaz and I love how he says,
you know you did this wrong. He was like, don't
make the person famous and then not be able to
catch them, catch them and then make them famous. Like
there's a way to do this that's going to build
your power and esteem and the myth of who you are,
but they are setting her up as someone to go.
Don't play propaganda games, get right to it, squash some

(51:41):
people turn people against each other. So and even with
Cyril's mom, she's like, I have a different she said,
I have a different plan for him, Like there's a purpose.
I'm not entirely convinced that this is a truly actual
romantic relationship. There's something that he can do or know
that is going to be beneficial to her as well.

(52:03):
And so she's playing a much longer game and I'm
very intrigued by how that's going to continue to play
out well.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
And that's an interesting thing too, is yeah, we were
like you, we were both surprised, and I loved it.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I actually kind of laughed a.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Little bit when I realized they were together, because creepy
Cyril wanted that from Dal and he got it. It's
kind of funny. But one of the things that I'm
trying to figure out what her game is with him,
and gosh, I would love it if she just, you know,
it's actually at you know, she's got a soft spot

(52:39):
or she's a human being on the inside.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I if anything, I maybe the relationship with Cyril will
make her vulnerable to make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
You know, that could be that could end up being
the problem for her as well. But now let's just
take up this.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Let's talk a little bit about if you have any
critics or nitpicks anything with the show. Like, to me,
there's only really two things that I can find with
these episodes. One was, you know, from a purely special
effects standpoint, when the shuttle with Tay at the end,
it just didn't look quite finished to me. And I
know that's a super nitpick, but it just didn't look

(53:19):
quite right. The other thing is, I mean, did you
catch that or it might just be it might be just.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
So I did, But I kind of thought that was
intentional because this whole kind of the mystery around Oh,
it's a different driver, it's not the person he expected
to come pick him up, right. I honestly thought we
were going to like see that shuttle blow up as
it flew away, like again, building into this taste getting
taken out because there was a comment that was made

(53:45):
about the shuttle, and so I kind of thought that
had an intention, Like that long shot looking over the
nose of it right before they took off, there was
just a part of me that thought. But this is intentional,
like we're supposed to think something's wrong with this, and
maybe that's how we're going to get in the opening
to one, you know, or the story is going to
flash back to it blew up just over the ridge,

(54:07):
and so we're going, Okay, that's why it felt weird.
So maybe that's a sage so you remember is yet
to be harvested it, Yeah, it did stand out.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
It's it's an interesting point because as we know, or
we've been told, these episodes take place over a year,
So the next one is and this was only over
a couple of days if you track it from when
what Cassian said he was at the at the Yavin
Foresight two days, three days before and then because so

(54:36):
this is like a five day period max, right the
wedding weekend and everything. So if she does take out Tay,
is it just gonna be something we're going to hear
or you know, I don't know, I don't know how
they're gonna make that connection, but either way, yeah, I mean,
and so that kind of makes me feel better about
what you're saying there is this is you know, maybe

(54:58):
they will make some sort of comment that you know,
Hayes shuttle crashed leaving the wedding and we just we
just don't see it. The second nitpicking is again super
nipick and I even hate saying this because I would
probably mock somebody if they said this on Twitter. So
I'll be watching Twitter and looking for people saying this.
We don't know what that mission was about, which is
kind of cool, kind of very Star Wars. He to
drop you right into the middle of the tie fighter mission,

(55:20):
But man, why didn't the Empire make more of than
those were some freaking powerful ships they were.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Seeing for multiple people, like they were bigger, like four
or five people sitting around the inside of that thing. Yeah. Yeah,
the weapons system on it was insane. So yeah, I
think this was just to show us Cassians working Casians
out there, Like we wrap up season one and it's
time to go. Now he's in it. He's in a costume,

(55:48):
he's undercover, right, and this is just to say he's
doing high sax stuff. He's not playing little kid ball.
I think that's what that The point of that was cool. Yeah,
I'll buy that, and I'll be totally because So the
next segment is we want to talk a little bit
about some lore connections that we saw. We look, if

(56:09):
you're looking for a show that's looking for Easter eggs,
go to our friends over at screen Crush. They're going
to give you every Easter egg, every little thing that
showed up in the background that we're not going to
pick up. These are some things that to me and
to Nick are bigger lore sort of connections and fun
things to pick up on. The first is Erskine. If
you remember the guy who was telling Mont Mathma about

(56:31):
the senator who's or the governor whose ship was too
big to land on the landing platform, he is, I
believe more than likely Erskine Samage, who appeared in the
Rebels episode Secret Cargo with Mont Mathma where he's her
senatorial attache. So I think that's kind of a cool connection,
and it gives me, you know, it gives me a
lot of hope and faith in the storytelling and that

(56:54):
they're those kind of little details. I don't see Tony
Gilroy watching episodes of Rebels, but I do see him
at least being open enough to talk to the story
group and go, what is there somebody who should be
her assistant or somebody in the story group reading the
thing and say, let's let make his name Santo. Let's
make his name Erskine, and he'll be the guy from
the thing, and we'll just you know, we'll get an
actor with dark hair and it'll match. Okay, cool, good,

(57:16):
all right, moving on, absolutely so, and it works that
it's a it's story related because erskin Samage is a
tuckrization of the name James Erskine, who is a story
editor at Lucasfilm, and that's where that name came from.
George Lucas very notoriously would take names and flip them around.
So obviously, if you see Samadge, that is the word
James backward and then Erskine. His name was Erskine, just

(57:40):
with an E at the end of it. So I
didn't even pick that one up. That's great. There were
and then and he was voiced by actor Josh Brynner
and star Wars rebels.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Oh, okay, cool, I love that we went over the
Oven four one, so we don't need to go over
that one again. You may have missed this, You may
have picked it up. When Bix's to reach Cassian on
the communications device, you can see a little picture of
Marva Cassian's late mother hanging on the wall right next
to the machine. And the next thing I want to

(58:11):
talk a little bit about is did you catch any
other any.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Other Easter eggs or anything? Not really in the in
Luthen shop. And I can't couldn't remember if we saw
these in season one, but we see the headdress that
looks like the one that Queen Amidala war. Yeah, and
then also the plocoon mask is right there where she
pops out the little secret panel to push the button.
I was in. I was zoned in on the shop

(58:35):
because I know that's a good place for them to
bury some of those things. There was the snake, the
teal looking snake thing that I can't remember where I've
seen that before, but I'm sure it'll pop up, you know,
soon enough online. Yeah, I didn't see any Indiana Jones
things this time, but I'm sure was another shot of
those later.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Looking I'm sure you know the the the compass is
going to be there this time around, probably got to be.
But I want to talk a little bit about Gorman,
and this may be a spoiler for future episodes, So
if you don't know what Gorman is, and you don't
want to know skip ahead a little bit in our
podcast here, because for those that watch Star Wars Rebels,

(59:16):
in the episode called Secret Cargo, Chopper plays a transmission
reporting that Senator man Mathma has stunned the Imperial Senate
with her quote treasonous comments about Emperor Palpatine. The Rebels
watch as man Mathma delivers a powerful speech accusing the
Emperor of orchestrating the brutal assault on the people of
Gorman has come to be known as the Gorman Massacre,

(59:39):
and she says the Gorman massacre is clear evidence that
Palpatine is a ruthless executioner who has used the promise
of security to justify his tyranny across the galaxy. Now,
also in addition to that, show runner Tony Gilroy has
explained in an interview that the event which unfolds over
five episodes of the series. Now, I'm wondering if he
countsisode one as one of those five episodes where they

(01:00:02):
talk about Gorman. He's He says that this will straighten
out that story since there's been a lot of confusion
within canon about the Gorman massacre. So again, if you
we are probably going to see the Gorman massacre in
the in the series, and I mean it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
And to me again, what I love is this sort
of lore stuff. And you know, take in a way,
I take back what I said about Tony Gilroy not
maybe knowing, but I think I'm sure what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Here's my guess. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Tony Gilroy was like, I want to do this thing
where that sets mon moth mob and sets her off,
and and Pablo is across the table, going, let's see
the Gorman massacre.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
So, but there's also that transmission from from Chopper and
and we do get to see some of that. And
in animation, you think we're going to see a live
action version of something from animation? Do you think we're
going to see her give that speech?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I would love to see that speech. And I think
that there's a very strong possibility that there could be
a cross over there. And I think that it's interesting
that Gilroy says, you know, straighten out the story. You know,
we've gotten a couple of these other ones. We've gotten
Night of a Thousand Tiers. We see that, you know
on Mendelor. It makes sense that they would do something
like this but I was always reading up and remembering

(01:01:21):
about Gorman. You know, there's a couple of different versions
of this either from some of the books. In one
of the versions, I believe it is Tark and Shuttle
literally just like lands on a group of protesters and
like crushes them to death. So I don't think we'll
probably get quite that version of it. But we also
did get that recreation of Night of one Thousand Tiers,

(01:01:42):
which in that in that felt very like Terminator with
the Terminator robots. But I don't know, I think that
it's very possible that we will get you know, obviously
we're going to get a strong connection to that because
that's going to be a big turning point for mine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Ma.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I'm just curious to see how they're going to let
it play out. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Well, Nick, that's going to wrap it up for this
week's episode of Road to Rebellion The and Or After Show.
Thanks so much for joining us as we break down
this incredible season of and Or.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Well, Pete, we are just getting started, and we will
be back next week covering the next three episodes as
we continue to follow Cassian's journey and as we see
how the rebellion that we all know and love really
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